RadixJournal - The End of America First？

00:00:00.000 uh so brad um i thought we could talk about the various internecine backbiting

00:00:18.800 movement feuds he should he said she said bitch slaps all around uh but i would like to actually

00:00:28.680 talk about the bigger picture and not simply engage in a soap opera because i i think there

00:00:34.240 actually is a bigger picture here i i generally don't care about most rumors i hear um if anything

00:00:42.760 i'm shocked that people are actually interested uh he's impeached again and we've been watching

00:00:52.380 this uh the the conviction trial in the senate where uh he is unlikely to be removed from office

00:01:00.600 or prevented from running again but i do think it's a possibility actually first off the first day of the

00:01:07.180 defense presentations was a catastrophe that shown was very unimpressive and the the caster guy was

00:01:16.080 just a complete disaster and i i don't know i guess i'll dilate on this just a little bit but

00:01:22.080 like this guy he was thinking out loud which is okay on a podcast but really bad in a court of law

00:01:31.920 or an impeachment hearing and he was also just had these like half-baked notions from like

00:01:40.160 his history professor in high school that he was regurgitating but oh it was just didn't

00:01:45.820 it was like well greece had a senate and then when they lost free speech they lost the senate and i was

00:01:52.820 just like oh my god this is like i didn't even i just it's like i've just kind of combination of

00:01:58.740 it's a combination of being like historically inaccurate plus like liberal wig history all

00:02:06.580 baked and like a half-baked cake and it's just like oh my god get this stuff out of here no one

00:02:12.460 was buying it i thought at that point i was like oh wow he has you know due to trump's notoriety or

00:02:18.860 what what have you he he can't find a competent attorney and this is going to be a disaster and then

00:02:24.740 the next two days of the presentations by the impeachment managers i actually listened to a lot of

00:02:31.880 them uh i i thought that was actually extremely effective um you know they laid out a lot of

00:02:39.500 detail um as you know they they did you know they they put video together and again the the the trump's

00:02:49.140 defense is claiming that this was kind of mashed together uh you know unethically you could say i i

00:02:56.220 think they were kind of nitpicking to be honest i mean whenever you cut a video of any kind you're

00:03:01.260 obviously going to you know make an argument with your editing so i i think that they're they're

00:03:07.600 kind of grasping at straws but i thought it was very effective um and i just really felt the momentum

00:03:14.580 going there i i listened to um i i had a bit of time today so i i listened to a lot of the defense and

00:03:21.240 i thought they were doing a much better job i think they got their act together and for whatever was

00:03:26.300 happening behind the scenes they got it together and so i think they actually were at least competent

00:03:30.700 today um but you know we'll we'll see by certainly over the weekend i don't know exactly when they're

00:03:37.880 going to hold the vote but um i would presume we'll know by monday um i just think there's a very strong

00:03:43.100 chance and um i don't know i guess i guess the other thing about my it's my general feeling on

00:03:49.960 january 6th and i i apologize my essay on this is like it's uh i'm gonna have to cut it to get it under

00:03:58.040 like 20 000 words it's really big and this is actually very serious about this but i'm i've hit

00:04:07.080 this point in my career where i'm like i will never blog again everything is like book ready so

00:04:13.580 but anyway um one of the things i'm saying is that you know there are these concentric circles

00:04:19.120 where no i don't think that donald trump went out to the crowd on january 6th and desired that a mob

00:04:31.240 with a man dressed like davy crockett you know enter the capitol and so on i and that he it was

00:04:38.540 hoping that baked alaska would live stream at all i obviously don't think that so i i think there's

00:04:43.960 you know it's it's not like we thought we thought it was going to be i mean we we know what the plan

00:04:48.420 was they were going to have some kind of alex was going to lead what was alex was going to lead the

00:04:54.320 march down to the capitol and they had to be arm in arm in his words yeah and and and they were

00:05:00.600 they the plan was is that you know they had alex had rented this huge stage or something it was all set

00:05:06.820 up outside the capitol and they were all supposed to gather there outside the capitol and you know have

00:05:12.440 some more speeches and do the performance art thing in order to pressure all the republicans

00:05:17.800 inside to somehow you know somehow like like like i guess cast out the votes and might not certify that

00:05:25.340 you know this is my point in a way is that even that even that which is obviously more defensible

00:05:32.320 than you know breaking into like the i'm with griper girl riley like breaking into someone's office and

00:05:40.420 at least allegedly stealing a computer although i think she might not have done that but anyway

00:05:45.240 that's obviously just patently illegal but even what trump was attempting was borderline sedition

00:05:54.000 uh according to u.s code is the problem is that you are i mean yes you can protest but like

00:06:02.620 they were trying to delay this thing multiple phone calls with tupperville and so on they were

00:06:08.160 trying to delay the certification then when trump let's say that all things went well trump and

00:06:15.380 company go out and they basically say we are the party stop the vote you know don't certify any of

00:06:21.480 this i'm staying in this is again more defensible but pretty much sedition and you know the way i see it

00:06:29.440 is there these concentric circles where you have like the trump plan but in order to enact that he needs

00:06:36.340 bodies on the ground he needs boots on the ground and so you link up with all the kind of loons of

00:06:43.040 various stripes but i think they're actually i think the person who went into the capital with zip ties i

00:06:49.680 mean why were you carrying zip ties you know i heard the i heard i heard zip ties guy found the zip ties

00:06:56.300 in there that he didn't take it inside that there was the zip ties were apparently in the capital i don't

00:07:03.340 know that's this i'll let you continue but that's that's what i heard okay well okay but you know we

00:07:09.860 we have also you know there was big talk about going inside the capital as you know on baked alaska

00:07:15.640 stream there's big talk among the proud boys it's being revealed yeah i mean yeah they were there was

00:07:20.700 there was there was two different things here there was there was the plan which was to hold this big

00:07:26.180 grandstanding performance art yeah thing outside of the capital and then there were all these

00:07:32.220 key targets and who were all worked up who actually believed the shit was real and

00:07:37.000 yeah had a mind of their own genuinely believed it was real yeah that they yeah yeah that's like

00:07:43.740 ashley babbitt ashley babbitt being a classic example of someone who actually literally thought

00:07:48.500 that it was the storm that day yeah i mean i mean i mean these people were so these people were so

00:07:53.320 wrapped up i mean i mean even even past the capital seats down to joe biden's inauguration i mean

00:07:58.400 where they were saying like it was uh a deep fake hologram and it is it's it's it's not

00:08:05.460 keep people saying it's not real and all this stuff on television is an illusion and

00:08:11.440 and uh vox day was saying that right right down until january 20th right down to the day

00:08:18.300 and i think i think i think there's some kind of variation of the conspiracy where trump is

00:08:23.320 going to be re-inaugurated in march or i don't know i don't keep up with it but um so yeah so

00:08:30.180 like i said like the plan was the actual trump's actual this is my take on it is that they were

00:08:38.720 trying to pressure these republicans who were wavering in order to you know block the vote or

00:08:44.800 something right yes and they were have some they were and they were supposed to have some kind of big

00:08:48.580 grandstanding huge rally of patriots outside the capital i mean that was the plan right but as you

00:08:56.320 know these these real world events you know people come to the events with their best laid plan with

00:09:00.280 their with their own agenda with their own agenda right a considerable number of people as it turns

00:09:06.600 out right literally literally believed all this stuff about the storm that and and and qan on they

00:09:13.420 they literally believe this shit it's it's insane yeah um i've heard stories of my apparently my

00:09:20.860 sister-in-law's neighbor is one of these people and is just absolutely convinced was cut was literally

00:09:27.220 called my sister-in-law and was like all this stuff you're seeing on television isn't real it's all a

00:09:32.940 hologram and and i mean i heard this story from somebody in real life this is and and my and this is in

00:09:37.620 an upper middle class neighborhood this is something that's kind of barjory taylor green um yeah i mean

00:09:43.520 this is something that's been kind of downplayed here jet yeah um this is this one thing i think

00:09:49.380 the democrats are making a mistake on is that if you look at like who believes this q shit right

00:09:53.580 it's it's it's it's it's not like a class thing it's not it's not dumb rednecks out there

00:09:59.280 no it's it's it comes from all different groups it's postgrads it's college graduates it's

00:10:05.320 it's working and there are layers of it because i think in a way the entire right was a shade of

00:10:11.700 q anon by it from from no no i would even go back earlier than november from like the summer of i mean

00:10:19.860 once the riots started to die down let's say september of 2020 up through january 20th the entire

00:10:27.000 american right were various shades of q anon and keep in mind some other things like you know all of

00:10:32.340 these um televangelists effectually i mean i grew up in the 80s and 90s so i kind of grew up at the

00:10:39.160 time of robert tilton and you know jimmy swagger and all these just you know caricatures of you know

00:10:46.320 slimy lying uh religious you know con artists and nuts and so on uh there's there's just a new wave of

00:10:54.760 that i mean that that kind of thing is is gotten a new leg it's a faith-based thing it's uh yeah and

00:11:00.920 and remember it's been transferred it's been transferred from from evangelicals to this shit

00:11:05.840 yeah exactly and it's and it's it's kind of dumped a lot of things in a way it's it's dumped a lot of

00:11:11.140 hot button issues that used to be important and it's kind of been reduced to just trump and um but this

00:11:17.380 was popular i mean remember you know if when i was on youtube and i would get like 25 000 views i would

00:11:25.180 be like ah that's great you know we this one you know i i reached a good audience here with my content

00:11:31.200 my heady content these guys these televangelists they're like they're doing videos of 450 000 views

00:11:39.120 like like they're they're they are huge it is a huge thing it has no effect on the mindset of people

00:11:47.580 outside of those communities because people are just kind of embarrassed by it they don't want to

00:11:51.900 talk about it they don't find it they just find it you know food for gullible fools but it is a huge

00:11:58.920 market and it was all about it was basically q anon even if they weren't quite q anon and you think

00:12:05.280 i mean i know the democrat yeah yeah the democrats just to finish it real quick there was this time

00:12:11.240 in 2018 when q anon obviously started on 4chan and then kind of migrated to 8chan then 8coon and it's

00:12:20.220 this watkins guy and all these crazy you know digitally literate incels on the chans doing q and

00:12:28.660 whatever by 2018 it they were going out into the world and watkins himself who was you know mr 4chan

00:12:37.300 mr 8chan was promoting this and they were kind of explicitly saying let's win over the boomers like

00:12:43.280 let's bring this crazy chan culture and translate it into to the boomers and it caught like wildfire

00:12:52.480 to the point that q anon kind of it it entered a world beyond the chans like i don't even think

00:12:59.640 the chans defined it at the at the end and maybe even in the middle it was about like boomers doing

00:13:06.900 their own q shit on facebook and passing it around and getting retweeted by john hannity or or was it

00:13:14.880 rosie not rosie o'donnell the other one rose in bar you know like just um it was just or john voight

00:13:22.220 like kind of quoting q and some weird message about like demons satan the democrat the demon rats and

00:13:29.900 you know it was this huge thing that just caught like wildfire became massively huge to the point

00:13:36.800 that the american right was just part of it and even i mean to kind of bring the amnats and nick

00:13:42.920 fuentes etc and you know and and company into this conversation um they they weren't q like i mean

00:13:52.080 again i i certainly have only you know imbibed one percent at most of of fuentes's content and and

00:14:00.140 less than that of of his you know associates uh but they were not q anon from what i can tell but

00:14:06.720 there there really wasn't any discernible difference it was like you know they had to go along with it and

00:14:14.480 they were rewarded for going along with it they kept getting more and more money more and more super

00:14:19.620 chats big donations out of nowhere more popularity more more of a threat to the system you just keep

00:14:27.080 building it up you you they couldn't get off that roller coaster um even if they wanted to at some

00:14:33.660 point did it seem that i'm sorry go ahead well did it seem that nick picked up an older demographic

00:14:39.800 after 2018 you know if as he grew and grew probably much like q anon itself yeah yeah yeah um

00:14:48.860 we'll we'll get to we'll get to my take on i mean nick and and america first you know i've told you

00:14:56.300 before it's it was a it was a personality cult wrapped within trump's larger personality cult and it was

00:15:06.360 and it and it was it was always a it was always a transparent grift yeah right and he was telling

00:15:13.860 me it was it was what it was kind of like q anon for zoomers is how it was q anon marketed because he

00:15:20.420 was because you you'd you'd keep hearing that he could trust the plan you know if you're not like i

00:15:26.140 mean he he you know it was literally a cult i mean i mean this this is especially obvious in the last

00:15:32.860 he would use the catch words of q anon but maybe not yet trust the plan he would say not the philosophy

00:15:38.720 but basically yeah structurally identical he yeah he threw people out he threw people out of america

00:15:45.380 first and out of out of his cult there was this guy uh puma is one and there's audi and a few other

00:15:54.080 uh panther dan and there's a few other of these guys i know who they are and i mean they would cast

00:16:00.380 people out of out of the america first cult but anyway this we're going to get into fuentes but

00:16:06.560 let me let me back up to um impeachment before i forget okay well two well a few things okay the

00:16:15.180 first the he was impeached this is the second impeachment trial right right and the first one

00:16:19.980 was over the ukraine nonsense which we have haven't heard of again although there was something there with

00:16:26.260 rudy giliani and all these shady people like i didn't pay any i didn't pay any attention to it

00:16:32.300 because it's like okay i don't care right yeah yeah it seems like a waste yeah it's all yeah they

00:16:38.160 impeached him the democrats impeached him in the house they're not going to convict him in the senate

00:16:42.120 it's performance art it's a waste of time so i didn't even really watch it right and then of

00:16:47.900 course i was checked out it was kind of it was one of those things it was kind of i was i was

00:16:52.560 interested in it i think i did a couple live streams where i was like this is interesting

00:16:57.760 because it gets it kind of like touches on bigger geopolitical issues like ukraine and russia and

00:17:05.780 those things don't come out of nowhere it's not like they're claiming that there was

00:17:09.880 you know um you know indonesian interference even though there who knows there might have been

00:17:16.180 like you know indonesians buying facebook ads or whatever but what i'm saying is that it was

00:17:21.240 russia for a reason and it was ukraine for a reason and so the only interest i had in it was

00:17:26.680 that it kind of expresses the deep state and i'll use that word unironically the deep state's kind of

00:17:33.140 view of the world that these are actually these are the friend enemy distinctions that actually matter

00:17:39.660 so that that's the only interest but yeah in terms of like impeaching this guy over this

00:17:44.220 and and not not ever holding like i mean i i think i don't know i sounding like an anti-war

00:17:50.560 but like why not just like i don't want a fed post here why don't you go and convict george w bush

00:17:58.100 not that he did something illegal but that he just like wait killed people wasted our our lives

00:18:05.840 blew all this money uh you know it killed hundreds of thousands of people in iraq people in the middle

00:18:12.000 east you know yeah exactly why don't we have a goddamn trial of these people these people who

00:18:20.680 lied so yeah but go ahead um i don't want to get us on track so so so cap so cap so capital siege

00:18:27.800 me and you that morning both you know are watching this and we assume okay nothing's going to happen

00:18:34.440 they're going to have some kind of stupid another one of the stupid stop the steel rallies in dc right

00:18:40.140 and they were going to have this big rally outside the capitol and they're going to try to put pressure

00:18:47.000 on the republican senators and you knew that pence and the republican senators were going to certify

00:18:53.440 the vote anyway and it was all just political theater and performance art and a waste of time so

00:18:59.300 like i wasn't watching it until like you know i i heard that you know they were literally storming

00:19:05.400 the capitol then i turned it on right because i because i dismissed it i had dismissed it it's like

00:19:11.780 okay this is just more political theater i'm not wasting this just like the russia hoax i'm not going

00:19:16.040 to waste my brain cells on this right so then so now now we get up to the current impeachment trial

00:19:21.680 this is impeachment trial two right and it's there's absolutely that's the thing is is that

00:19:28.840 they impeached him the first time over this um ukraine stuff right and so now that now they're

00:19:35.420 impeaching him a second time over this and the thing is is that like no one's watching this like

00:19:44.960 okay for okay no one no one is watching this like like since trump has left office um cnn's ratings

00:19:54.400 have collapsed uh msnbc's ratings box have collapsed i mean just falling through the floor no no one is

00:20:03.240 watching this right um i guess people are still watching on msnbc and cnn but like no one is literally

00:20:10.640 literally interest as soon as joe biden was sworn in interest in politics just plummeted on the left

00:20:17.340 they're checking out they're checking out they're going to sleep just like what happened with um with

00:20:23.600 trump joe's got this you know who cares we're not watching it um so like but the opposite is true

00:20:32.340 trump trump voters are i mean screaming what awake angry and mad like like like i mean this is exactly

00:20:43.520 what we said would happen right that once the democrats got in power they would try to like

00:20:50.460 maintain all the hysteria but like the ordinary democrat with trump being gone is not like he's

00:20:56.600 going to just check out right yeah well the republicans are all like you know wide awake and

00:21:02.920 and furious and angry now so like it could help they have the impeachment the impeachment vote in the

00:21:08.340 house and i forget how many republicans voted for i think it was like a dozen or so uh liz cheney liz

00:21:15.360 cheney was the main one dick cheney's daughter yeah and so she she has just been absolutely killed um

00:21:23.560 killed is getting killed in the polls um for voting to she i guess she thought i see here here's here's

00:21:31.200 here's the thing right a lot of these republican establishment types thought that oh you know

00:21:38.120 trump this is the end of trump right he's he's been discredited we're going to take the party back oh no

00:21:44.260 but quite the opposite quite the opposite first of all like you know how we've we've talked you've

00:21:50.400 written about this a link about the wexit thing right yeah about all these suburban upper middle

00:21:55.140 class white professionals leaving their part it's a long-term trend it's been going on uh since

00:21:59.840 for a long time now for 10 15 years right and if you if you look at if you look at 2016 that was

00:22:07.140 a big step in that direction then the 2018 midterms is another step in that direction

00:22:12.300 then 2020 was another step in that direction and now after the capital siege you've got thousands of

00:22:17.900 more of these people leaving the republican party so what's happened is is that trump voters are

00:22:24.660 absolutely furious and the establishment the the demographic base of the republican establishment

00:22:33.080 the true you know the true cons we you know what i'm talking about yes of course um sure you do

00:22:38.740 sure you do the kind of yes the link the kind of lincoln project types who live in the suburbs who

00:22:45.180 you know donald trump is the worst thing that's ever happened on the faces okay those people see

00:22:51.540 here we need to bring back good old conservatism like like 2006 all principles right oh yeah so so so

00:22:58.740 so so so here so here here here's the shot or here's well as that's what mike enoch would say

00:23:03.300 here's the shot right those people have left the republican party right so what's happened is

00:23:10.260 and and not in you know and especially with the 2020 election more of these working class voters

00:23:16.280 come in right so the reality is is that the demographic base that's underneath people like

00:23:22.540 liz cheney or like ben sass is gone because so many so many is it's shrinking it's shrinking

00:23:31.420 with you i agree with you and i know where you're going with this and it is kind of part of my

00:23:37.320 wexit theory but the other half of my wexit theory is that like liberalism can maintain itself

00:23:46.200 as a coherent managerial ruling ideology and the problem is that they're gonna win and like all of

00:23:56.760 this stuff like there's a kind of pincer movement going on here because trump has also vanished from the

00:24:02.660 scene i don't know the last time he was on television and he's not not on social media um he

00:24:09.180 is his brand is relaxing well he's probably relaxing sure but his brand is like it was in the fine wine

00:24:18.900 section and now it's in the dog food section and it might be in the dog shit section if if such a

00:24:25.600 section were featured in our grocery stores pretty soon and those people who are now like feel empowered

00:24:33.720 or maybe desperate uh that is a really small part of the base and if they think that they can win

00:24:43.020 with marjorie taylor green like when any kind of national election uh they are dreaming because

00:24:51.340 all right well here's power as they as they get into the party and they they start asserting themselves

00:24:57.260 the the greater the wexit becomes and it just becomes untenable um so this is great this is this

00:25:05.900 is absolutely fantastic let me explain why okay let me explain why let me explain why i might this is

00:25:10.900 okay so like the way things have been for the last i guess going back to the reagan era right

00:25:17.720 okay um the bait the base of reaganism right were all these suburbanites these these baby boomer yes

00:25:29.100 sunbelt suburbanites in the west and the south right right and as those people have

00:25:38.080 died off well i mean a lot of them are just dying straight out dying off because so the average national

00:25:45.220 reviews the person who reads national review is in their 70s so you got you got you got a demographic

00:25:52.820 die off of these people going on number one you got a lot of these people like i mean i mean i mean

00:25:58.760 this this is a huge thing okay i mean this is something we haven't really focused on i mean a lot of

00:26:04.600 the people you see on television like you know they're kind of like on the opposite side of things

00:26:09.000 right like i mean we remember bill crystal being like neocon chief republican type you know now he's

00:26:16.400 like and a lot of the all these bushy crowds are like on msnbc lincoln project they're democrats now

00:26:24.360 they're democrats they've they've moved so what's happened with so for like for 50 years right

00:26:28.640 if you think about it um the way the parties worked is that there was a the the governing wing of the

00:26:36.400 democrats were these white professional types um and then the yeah on the republican side you have

00:26:47.140 these i guess you'd say the small business owners also also also also professionals also managers

00:26:55.940 suburbanites and so what happened was is that really the suburbanites controlled both parties but because of

00:27:04.240 this because because of this wexit thing and the changing demographics within the republican party

00:27:09.980 the professional types the managerial types the suburbanites the wealthy people are concentrating

00:27:17.840 in the democrats right and that wing of the republican party the the wing that's traditionally governed it

00:27:25.020 um is it's just getting thinner and thinner and thinner and thinner on the ground now what happened

00:27:30.160 with trump i mean stunned everyone and the reason that happened the reason trump was able to break

00:27:37.440 through in 2016 is because of this loss of suburbanites it's going to the democrats right right the

00:27:43.380 republican electorate was becoming more working class it was becoming less suburban this is the trend

00:27:47.780 by education college educated whites suburban whites concentrating in the republican i mean the democrats

00:27:54.900 and working class voters are coming over to the republicans now the way this is that what's happened

00:28:02.460 what's happened since this is interesting i i i need to spend some more time on this but what's

00:28:08.020 happened since trump lost the have you seen these polls that come out because i've been looking at

00:28:13.460 the polls first of all impeachment is not going the conviction is not going anywhere like i've seen

00:28:19.860 a majority of a majority of the population wants to convict him well yeah close to sixty percent yeah

00:28:28.700 but eighty-five percent of republican voters are like i will not vote they'll stay in the polls

00:28:34.160 oh i agree i mean trump had eighty-five percent rating yeah no but eighty-five percent of republicans

00:28:40.220 eighty-five percent of the i mean you gotta think these these people who are jurors are elected republican

00:28:47.860 senators and they're looking at polls which say if you vote to convict trump 85 of 85 of your base

00:28:56.920 is going to throw you out of office right and elect marjorie taylor green no no no yeah but yeah people

00:29:04.020 the the marjorie taylor green thing is i think overdone because this is the strategy of the democrats to

00:29:12.020 inflate qa9 because because what the democrats want is they want to hold on to all these

00:29:17.600 suburbanites that have come over to the democrats in 20 yeah but this will be i mean you can see the

00:29:24.120 problems number one covet is going to be gone number two trump is going to be gone and it's qa is qa9

00:29:31.440 going to be a thing a biggest thing like two years that's two years from now look i see what you're

00:29:36.700 arguing i'm glad we're having this discussion because we we have a a disagreement and it's good

00:29:42.140 to flesh it out yeah first off there's no truth to the rumors um that you have joined marjorie taylor

00:29:47.940 green's crossfit group um there's no truth to this oh i heard she was having i heard she was having

00:29:53.320 sex with uh oh oh come on we this is yeah yeah people guys no but i mean no okay jokes aside um

00:30:03.440 look i see where you're going and i i agree with you like covid is is we we are we see the light at the

00:30:11.820 end of the tunnel and uh and i don't think it's an oncoming train like we we hospitalizations are

00:30:17.360 going down the vaccine's being rolled out if this will end this nightmare will end all right and you

00:30:23.820 can't and that was decisive in uh trump not winning again i totally think but that that's gonna pass

00:30:32.360 and so they need something so they're they're they're pumping up marjorie taylor green and then you

00:30:36.600 you're also arguing that q and on just by the very nature of these you know horrible predictions

00:30:42.380 that it's made just has to go away because it just cannot have plausibility like you can't just

00:30:47.940 endlessly claim that the chiefs are going to win the super bowl you know like three weeks later i mean

00:30:53.500 but i i i see where you're going with this the only problem is some other q and on thing will

00:31:00.640 come about this wasn't just some aberration and it's going to be just as wacky and the the people

00:31:08.220 who are at least at this moment kind of defining the party are um going to turn off huge amounts of

00:31:18.080 people by their very nature and that radical trump supporting base is not a majority like six almost 60

00:31:28.800 percent of according to one poll almost 60 percent of the nation wants a conviction of trump they've

00:31:34.080 had it and then the other thing trump's magic um you know started to fade a bit in 2018 i think people

00:31:41.240 might even underestimate that because that was the first like loss where you know we were all saying

00:31:46.420 you know we all thought like oh he he just can't lose i mean it was like 2016 the cubs the chicago cubs

00:31:52.720 win the world series and trump wins like we just he can't he's invincible well 2018 that rubbed

00:31:58.740 some of that off and then you know i think the guy's brand is going down i do not think he's

00:32:04.640 going to be a force and he's already i mean just to add a little complication to this a little twist

00:32:11.260 um the weird other weird thing about trump is that those people the marjorie taylor green type or the

00:32:19.020 cumon wing of the republican party they didn't always listen to him they uh in alabama uh they did not

00:32:27.540 listen to trump's recommendation for senate um and they they did with tuberville against sessions but

00:32:33.160 they didn't um earlier uh with doug jones um defeating um a man whose name i'm forgetting in

00:32:39.420 the moment yeah so um madison cawthorne this you know all of you have all these a ways where the trump

00:32:48.000 population kind of has a mind of its own and it's going to elect its own and its own are really

00:32:56.320 unpalatable to the clear majority of the population that is a huge problem what i have just laid out

00:33:05.140 i don't think so let me tell you why okay first of all like it's true that it's true that the

00:33:10.620 suburbanites have been moving over but like that's that that's that's actually a great thing right

00:33:15.620 if if if the if the free marketer larry kudlow um lincoln project types continue to shuffle over to

00:33:26.080 the democrats the republic the conservative establishment and republican establishment

00:33:31.260 they don't have anything below them they're going on the the the populist wing of the republican party

00:33:38.500 and the paleocon wing is the is the overwhelming majority now because the way the electorate is

00:33:46.360 resorting and so like all these all these awful ideas all these awful libertarian-ish ideas that have

00:33:57.600 been such you know this oh it's reaganite stuff that's just dominated the republican party forever

00:34:02.420 is going away with its voters maybe not not yet not yet but because the democracy is people are so

00:34:11.640 focused on trump they're not looking at the voters right the voters have changed demographics the

00:34:18.440 voters have changed as these suburbanites leave their brand of reaganite conservatism is dead

00:34:24.400 it's there's no there's no plausible reason to this is actually it's actually a good thing because you

00:34:30.920 also see at the same time this is going on at the same time you're seeing this these huge majorities

00:34:36.740 um coming out for things like two thousand dollar stimulus checks all these working class

00:34:43.520 trump voters are starting to support wealth redistribution that's a new thing that you see this

00:34:50.880 this democratic party is much more plausible as a vehicle for that i agree with you i just disagree with

00:34:57.720 why why why would why would that be if if of all these you got to think all these if the true

00:35:03.680 cons wings of the job goes over to the democrats they're going to start pushing for tax cuts

00:35:10.560 i mean you got the chamber of commerce you got the chamber of comp the literally the chamber of

00:35:15.180 commerce is supporting the democrats now and so all that stuff all that stuff is it's going to be

00:35:22.960 you can already see it happening there's going to be an agitation for um in order they're already

00:35:29.560 talking about this how they how they can't afford to do all this stuff because it'll alienate the

00:35:34.000 suburbanites and what's going to happen is what's going to happen is is that the republicans

00:35:40.440 have a free hand to change their economic platform now so they can you know why not i mean you saw

00:35:48.420 mit romney came out and says mit romney of all people has been reprogrammed and suddenly mit romney

00:35:54.440 wants to give checks of like 350 a month um mail through the social security administration

00:36:04.280 that's because the voters have changed right so like what's what's really happening here

00:36:09.880 is the the the dominant the dominant wing in the gop for since 50 years is collapsing and once the

00:36:19.720 populist wing and the paleocon wing are ascendant they can change the economic policies and that'll

00:36:27.160 that'll in turn like attract more people so you make a good case you you make a good case and um

00:36:35.020 you know obviously we'll see um this is just my sense of it um first off i'm glad you mentioned

00:36:43.140 romney um i i think romney in his way proved the just total uselessness of this trumpian wing because

00:36:53.060 romney put forward a policy which could very well pass which is seems good it's kind of populist in its

00:37:02.460 way kind of you know because it's kind of based on families it also has a a bit of that old you

00:37:07.900 know republican conservative you know family values air to it um and it's plausible and trump never did

00:37:14.120 anything like this even though he clearly had an opportunity to while in office and in control of um

00:37:20.540 you know both houses of congress whether his party was at least um i think it just proves the total

00:37:26.380 uselessness of this you see romney as catering to that uh part of the base okay i get it i think he's

00:37:34.460 kind of mediating it kind of transcending it um but the problem is those people uh like romney is

00:37:44.000 actually a very intelligent and um reasonable guy he's a kind of guy like everyone hates on him

00:37:51.520 whatever who would you rather have dinner with mint romney or marjorie taylor green i mean you know

00:37:57.220 i'm sorry i'm blowing her up out of proportion maybe in your mind fair enough but you get my point

00:38:02.140 romney peep someone like romney might be able to crack this nut but at the end of the day the party of

00:38:11.400 policy wonkery and ideas and intellectuals and blah blah blah is going to be the left they are going to

00:38:19.580 have more plausibility in saying we're going to implement you know two thousand dollar covid checks

00:38:25.000 which i almost think we're not never going to see that shit but anyway they're they're more plausible

00:38:29.440 in implementing that they um are more plausible in implementing ubi or things like that i think

00:38:34.620 romney could crack the nut but this trumpian the future of trumpian politics is like ranting about

00:38:42.020 socialism and you know like just focusing on all of these just weird culture war issues

00:38:48.680 and i think it is an absolute loser yeah well we'll yeah we'll see because i think you actually

00:38:55.100 make a good case and i you know i've made my case so yeah we'll see this is the rubicon where they are

00:39:01.320 here's what here's what i think i i mean i i mean if you if you if you look at if you look at the way

00:39:06.480 the electorate has been resorting where it's going is that okay all the all the college educated suburban

00:39:12.860 wealthy suburbanites are all flooding into democrats right and the true cons libertarianish

00:39:20.300 wing that has dominated republican economic policy for 50 years is collapsing so like this is this is

00:39:28.820 one of my predictions i made two years ago that because it's changing demographics because of the

00:39:34.000 way work white working class voters were coming into the republicans and suburbanites are leaving

00:39:39.440 and because of the political correctness that conservatism inc would

00:39:44.500 you know fall fall on its face because the the voter the the physical not because trump is gone

00:39:53.920 because the physical voters who support that are democrats now and so like if you did if if those

00:39:59.780 people are gone let's suppose those people are gone and continue shuffling off the democrats well

00:40:04.260 if you got this huge number of the the trumpian base is this it's white working class voters

00:40:12.720 well why don't you just have an economic policy that is actually you know economically populous

00:40:22.080 that way too much sense yeah that way that way yeah yeah that way i mean but if all these republican

00:40:31.400 voters support wealth redistribution why couldn't uh okay okay look what happened because they don't

00:40:39.020 because they they support some weird nonsense that's going to come out of nowhere next and i think the

00:40:45.740 democrats would uh beat him to the punch yeah what's what's happening just more what's happening

00:40:52.460 no i think what i think is going to happen is that you have this huge class divide between democrats

00:41:00.600 which you have the white urban professional wing of the party is dominating everything they're doing

00:41:06.800 woke stuff they're doing trans stuff they're doing climate stuff they're doing open border stuff i mean

00:41:12.340 it was already obvious that they were starting to i mean when they went out and they did the

00:41:17.060 all the riots and stuff last year they drove huge numbers of hispanic voters out of the party

00:41:24.960 like that was a real thing not not just along the border but like all across the country because

00:41:30.640 it turns out that hispanics aren't motivated by immigration policy it's like they're i was looking

00:41:36.160 at these polls it's like their 11th 12th issue yeah but like if if the gop chain if the gop if if

00:41:43.640 the gop changed its positions on say more wealth redistributionist um change on health care because you

00:41:52.280 don't you don't have those fiscal conservative voters anymore they've gone they could attract a lot

00:41:58.140 more working class voters who just aren't voting so what's going to happen i think is that just as

00:42:03.420 trump ran in 2016 and brought over see the reason trump became president is because he tapped into all

00:42:10.360 these disaffected white-wing populist voters you could have a candidate who's going to run to the left

00:42:16.580 of trump on economics and could win over maga voters because they support the same thing like like if

00:42:25.060 you look at the polls um something like 95 percent of maga voters say that the economic system is

00:42:32.060 rigged rigged to favor the rich and powerful and the same is true of 99 that's a tucker carlson talking

00:42:39.940 point i mean it's totally it's totally real i i get i think they feel the pain the pain's real

00:42:46.260 but it's a tucker carlson talking point and i think i think we should move on i i i will give you the last

00:42:53.580 word and i and i acknowledge that you make a good case and i also we both acknowledge that we'll see

00:42:59.560 um but uh i i think i'm gonna be right so you're gonna be disappointed man for you know huey long

00:43:07.100 gop 2024 oh i i totally i totally i'm totally calling it now uh okay people laugh people laugh

00:43:15.100 but but but i'm telling you the left-wing populace will come over to the gop in the next four years

00:43:21.140 oh it's gonna happen okay that's what's gonna happen that's with the next thing good it's on the

00:43:27.780 record i it's on the record and i respect your boldness um but okay so let's talk

00:43:36.680 about the the fuentes thing so all right so nick fuentes emerged in 2017 just a quick rundown to

00:43:46.380 get our our minds rolling on this issue so nick fuentes kind of emerged in 2017 he was very young

00:43:50.960 i think he was still a teenager at that point and he was this college republican type um and you know

00:43:58.680 as as you pointed out many times he was a former cruise supporter and whatever and he kind of got

00:44:03.100 red-pilled or whatever i think he also kind of saw the alt-right as what is hot and he wanted to go to

00:44:09.860 what is hot and um he went to charlottesville did all this kind of stuff um i i thought it was at the

00:44:17.420 time i thought it was kind of an interesting and and you know maybe kind of optimism optimistic um

00:44:23.880 uh of development uh but he really had a very very strong knack of getting on our nerves let's say

00:44:34.760 and i i i don't it's not really i don't really feel like um bashing him at the moment so let's just

00:44:41.600 leave it at that but they after it but after charlottesville because you know i think these things

00:44:49.440 might have actually happened anyway to be honest but charlottesville was clearly a turning point

00:44:54.660 and after charlottesville they started to create this meme that was very powerful and it spread and

00:45:04.440 reproduced itself in all sorts of ways and what they were basically saying was don't be independent

00:45:13.900 kind of edgy spencerian nietzschean you know we're going against trump we're going against the world

00:45:21.280 whatever um all that's going to do is is isolate you and blah blah blah and they they kind of put a

00:45:28.740 face on that as not me but as the wignat like the 90s skinhead you know whatever um and their meme

00:45:37.080 was that stay with us and we are winning within the party like we're getting you know paul nealon's

00:45:44.400 running for congress uh lauren witzka's running for congress you know we're winning and trump even

00:45:50.740 if he's imperfect and and he has these things that we can criticize around the edges he he is the force

00:45:55.780 of nationalism let's stick with it everything's moving in our direction and if you kind of like don't

00:46:02.020 be like either spencer or don't be like brad griffin or don't be like you know 90s skinhead or

00:46:08.640 whatever then we'll win then we'll enter the gop they'll need us they'll they'll they'll bring us in

00:46:14.260 maybe um but we'll take power in some kind of vaguely defined way and this is it and that meme uh and and

00:46:25.160 here i think the meme term is actually quite good it it spread and reproduced itself much more than a

00:46:34.580 spencer meme of you know our our we're we have our sights set on bigger things like we we need to

00:46:42.700 stay true to our principles and ourselves and we need to you know this kind of dreamy stuff was not as

00:46:51.100 effective as the fuentes stuff and you know as 2020 rolled around um fuentes was getting thousands

00:46:59.600 of people on live streams maybe there were a lot of zoomers maybe they were more boomers who knows

00:47:07.480 um they but he was even though he's getting kicked off youtube etc he was he was gaining a huge amount

00:47:13.580 of traction they kind of got some uh mainstream media reports done on them in 2019 with the

00:47:22.620 groyper roar etc and they they were doing it and and it got to this point though and i think that's

00:47:30.380 and it's this weird place where they ended up where there wasn't really a lot of distance between

00:47:37.020 nick fuentes and amnats and say the conspiracy land world of alex jones or ali alexander uh who

00:47:46.660 they were all friends with or or even just the mainstream gop and q anon there wasn't a lot of

00:47:51.380 distance separating these people and when you listen to them now they'll say like you know uh in the

00:47:57.140 future and even patrick casey was saying this like in the future we'll have like limited immigration

00:48:02.120 you know immigration is limited now by the way but we'll have limited immigration and um voter fraud

00:48:08.060 uh stuff and um we'll stop the shutdowns you know and it's like all right the shutdowns are going to

00:48:14.840 stop i mean they're not even that they're not in full force now like you're gonna weirdly get what

00:48:21.940 you want but this whole kind of proves that you're there's no daylight so you are really just racist for

00:48:28.800 the gop like you are you don't have a lot of plausibility actually in infiltrating the gop

00:48:35.680 but you are channeling you have a lot of plausibility channeling um racist and nationalists

00:48:44.040 etc into the gop just maintaining that pipeline which has actually existed for a long time and

00:48:49.620 it's something that we haven't really talked about critically and i think we should have um but they had

00:48:54.460 a lot of plausibility like that and they were getting wild success and you know nick obviously made

00:49:00.600 some big errors but you know i i'm here to praise him in a weird way and not bury him because i think

00:49:09.780 he's going to be buried by the feds but you know when when you are listening to your fans

00:49:19.500 fans and playing to your fan base they're gonna make you say a lot of shit and i i i have i am

00:49:28.160 actually guilty of this as well i kind of understand the instinct where you want to play you know like

00:49:33.840 the opera singer wants to sing to that person in the last row you know it's like you want to play to

00:49:38.780 that super based guy in the chat you want to please him and when you start doing that you're going to end

00:49:46.920 up going on a live stream and saying something like well what do we do with these democrats i don't

00:49:52.360 know shoot them well we shouldn't do that i'm just being ironic in minecraft or you'll you'll start to

00:49:58.140 do that and i i know it because i i actually i i know the temptation and i've seen the temptation

00:50:05.040 in others and i've seen it in myself as well to be critical and it's actually a bad temptation

00:50:10.080 and if you live off live if you if you're monetized via um super chats and you are playing to that

00:50:19.720 audience and reflecting the audience as opposed to leading your audience or challenging your audience

00:50:24.620 which i hope i do on my at my best you're playing to your audience they're gonna drag you down

00:50:32.160 to their place and i think that is where nick got dragged i just listened to um about 30 minutes

00:50:40.540 um before we went on air of nick on the kill stream kind of talking about the patrick casey situation

00:50:45.420 and nick is a intelligent guy um nick you know he can he's quick on who's in the right here pat or nick

00:50:54.820 we want to hear well they're both in the wrong i mean and i don't i think actually i don't think pat

00:51:00.020 even saved himself from litigation i because um uh in in our prosecution rather he's already been

00:51:06.100 sucked into it yeah yeah but because he's basically admitting that they're all they call each other

00:51:10.920 generals and all this like you know kind of nonsense like these griper generals or the lieutenants were

00:51:16.680 saying this and this you know the soldiers were saying so they're they're all deeply connected to

00:51:21.340 each other but no i i i i have a certain because i think nick is going to get buried by this i have a

00:51:28.820 certain sympathy for him i have not been in community i mean i have these guys blocked me

00:51:33.360 these guys denounced me years ago i have i i have nothing to do with them so i i can speak freely i

00:51:39.600 have a certain bit of sympathy for him because i think also as he was gaining this fame which he

00:51:44.940 undoubtedly did it was a weird kind of fame it wasn't my kind of fame which was you know be you

00:51:51.680 know mr intellectual and you go talk to the press and they all get you know their panties in a bunch

00:51:57.240 and freak out and you say you know you kind of be kind of outlandish and arrogant and all that kind

00:52:01.800 of stuff it was a different type of thing it was much more organic it was it was playing to his

00:52:06.620 audience reflecting his audience and um so yeah and he couldn't stop he was on he thought that he was

00:52:17.580 leading an army but in fact he was on a seat in a roller coaster and it was headed down a track there is

00:52:25.660 there is no choice for him but to continue the stop the steal lie and to push it even further and

00:52:34.120 to say you know what did what did he say on on on camera you know we've taken he said something to

00:52:40.340 this effect we've taken the capital we're not leaving until trump is is an is inaugurated president

00:52:46.140 i mean he said something to that effect that is sedition but that is part of the logic of your crowd

00:52:52.460 that you're reflecting and the logic of trump himself and he just couldn't he thought he was

00:52:59.100 the leader in fact he was sitting on a roller coaster and it was one of those role it was one

00:53:05.060 of those nightmare roller coasters where like the other half of the track it's like it like flies off

00:53:10.940 it's like indian temple of doom roller coaster where you're you're gonna fly into a lava pit he but

00:53:16.320 he was on a track and he couldn't get off it and i do think i don't know the truth of everything

00:53:22.560 patrick said i think there's it's probably somewhere in the middle patrick casey said um his bank accounts

00:53:28.560 have been seized he's under fbi investigation he's on a no fly list which we knew from day one

00:53:33.300 it might very well be true i simply don't know nick kind of denied it but said there was a kernel of

00:53:39.460 truth to it so that that kind of seems like it's kind of real um i think he is on he is still on a

00:53:46.740 track that will end in federal prosecution because this is the according to the fbi itself this is the

00:53:51.920 biggest thing they have ever done um they take this extremely seriously maybe that's unfair maybe

00:53:58.200 we should have gone after blm okay fine they didn't and they're doing this to these people

00:54:03.600 and um i you know i didn't think that mnat the mnat thing would go very far because it just it didn't

00:54:11.360 strike me as having a lot of good people i acknowledge nick fuentes's talents i i really

00:54:17.680 don't like him he rubs me the wrong way endlessly but i acknowledge his talents but i just thought

00:54:23.260 all these people they're just not plausible they're not impressive um it's just this is not

00:54:28.820 interesting you're you're turning off intellectuals you're you're turning off you're you're turning

00:54:34.780 unnecessarily divisive right yeah and and absolutely they engage in endless infighting patrick

00:54:41.580 you know first and foremost among they they i mean they just second most fucked i mean they okay

00:54:46.460 but i never thought it would end and trump was trump was i never thought it would end

00:54:51.200 spectacularly let's say that trump was a cult that i mean it's obvious in hindsight you could i mean

00:54:56.620 people laugh at now the trust the plan stuff and yeah it was cool it was encouraging place it was

00:55:02.320 it was a it was absolute and surrounded himself by loyal lackeys it was absolute cult and then nick

00:55:07.860 mirrored trump's cultism within his own thing it was kind of creating a mini cult within the large

00:55:14.480 within the larger cult okay and and here's here's here's here's what's what's kind of interesting

00:55:22.460 of um like i said i'm not i'm not going to attack nick i'm not going to attack pat i'm not going to

00:55:30.000 attack baked you know i i draw the i draw the line at number one losing internet platforms and number

00:55:38.000 two when it crosses over into real life like someone's going to go to prison for 20 years 30 years get

00:55:45.540 sued into oblivion i don't wish i don't even wish that on them right whatever disagree whatever

00:55:50.420 disagreements and well it doesn't matter what opinions are on this matter yeah it's all we can

00:55:55.900 do is analyze it you know and try to it was an it was it was it was an internet beef it was an

00:56:01.120 internet beef we told them not to trust trump we told them how many times have we told them that

00:56:06.120 for years right years and and and sure enough at the end of the day as trump's last acts president he

00:56:13.920 pardoned what little wayne kodak black um the mayor of the mayor of detroit and left all these guys like

00:56:22.060 baked and in the lurch let let left nick nick nick nick and even though nick is holding the bag he's still

00:56:27.600 like part of this this this cult it's all right now well so so here's here's the tragedy of it going

00:56:36.120 back to what i was briefly seeking back to my point about this evolution of trumpism i don't know if you

00:56:43.440 saw this poll that came out but it's there's there was this poll was conducted by i think his name's

00:56:49.100 henry olson for i think it was it was stringed on the american enterprise institute website right

00:56:55.460 it was this poll of like where trump voters are at uh you know in the wake of the capital siege

00:57:02.860 after trump's gone and according to the poll can you believe this 64 of trump voters now say that

00:57:12.200 their race is extremely important to their sense of identity that that just blew me away so like

00:57:19.260 something the question was is your race how important is your race to your identity and

00:57:25.560 is like is it very important extremely important someone important not really important not important at

00:57:33.240 all in the overwhelming majority that that 64 percent said it was extremely very or somewhat

00:57:40.940 important so that and not just that they ask these questions about christianity too it was higher for

00:57:45.580 christianity but what's happened is with trump voters is that there's i guess over the last year

00:57:51.500 with all the i mean it's understandable i've been kind of watching people like this and all the blm shit all

00:57:59.520 the antify shit the the ibrom x kendi the the wokeness stuff which just went absolutely through

00:58:06.960 the roof after george floyd died yeah has had a massive inflammatory in fact in this poll i've never

00:58:14.140 seen a poll like this and i've been watching like if you if you if you go but if you look back in the

00:58:18.660 day at the at the all right when all right was in 2017 right polls would come out saying you know

00:58:24.980 about five to ten percent it would say five to ten percent support and then there was this larger

00:58:30.400 group which was about 30 percent of i guess whites well that that that that had like either white

00:58:37.260 solidarity um sense of white identity and white grievance well something has happened something has

00:58:45.580 definitely happened in the last year that his that number has soared like i've never seen a poll like

00:58:50.780 this and it was it was shocking and i've been looking at i've been analyzing and looking through all

00:58:54.640 these polls and trump voters i mean that that racial identity has been turned up 10 notches i mean i mean

00:59:05.840 we kind of joked around saying i mean we joked around about the accelerationist thing saying that

00:59:09.900 if okay well you know if trump i mean the argument was that if trump lost that it could radicalize people

00:59:16.060 well maybe it did right i i didn't vote i didn't i wasn't an accelerationist i wasn't you know

00:59:23.740 not voting for trump because of um i just thought he was i'm an accelerationist my my point was that

00:59:31.500 we're on a train track there's a left track and a right track yeah well trump wins track well well

00:59:36.320 those people hey those people are those people have jumped i guess when it looks i mean i'm looking at

00:59:43.000 these polls and i have never seen a poll this is just blew me away that 64 percent of trump voters say

00:59:49.800 their race is extremely no there was it was if you if you look if you look at the thing it was like

00:59:54.700 40 percent said very or extremely important to their sense of identity that is and and the people who

01:00:01.840 said that it wasn't reported important at all were like 12 percent that i was like really there's been

01:00:08.180 that i mean he he lost him losing had that big of a positive effect um they feel under that under siege

01:00:16.740 right now yeah now um we we didn't make we just thought you know trump's a dumbass he's he's i mean

01:00:25.460 we we got black pill beyond oblivion and of course we knew that of course i mean we saw this happen when

01:00:32.620 obama you know you know when obama won and he kind of like stirred up the republicans we were expecting

01:00:37.940 something like that but not not something like where something like this been like a quadrupling or

01:00:43.720 something and say that's why didn't he now what the tragedy of nick is is that i mean if you think

01:00:49.520 about it it kind of makes sense you know nick nick nick was nick nick is okay first of all he's arrogant

01:00:55.620 so he's attacking all of us even even even though literally like you were we were the ones who elected

01:01:03.720 trump back in 2016 it was all right yeah who elected him back in 2016 he was attacking and in

01:01:09.720 and these these zoomer kids weren't even eligible to vote a lot of them were back then they had

01:01:15.720 nothing to do with electing trump nothing they kind of aged in no one even heard of nick until

01:01:20.640 charlottesville and well where i'm where i'm going with this is that okay nick was getting he was like

01:01:29.380 he said like he was he was gaining traction with republicans right it was becoming it was becoming a big

01:01:35.100 thing and it's because this apparently you know apparently like um we i think we kind of like

01:01:44.180 discounted the ability discounted the possibility that those people might be that sense of racial

01:01:49.820 identity might be heating up and the tragedy of nick the tragedy of nick is that like he collapsed

01:01:56.820 literally on the literally on the literally on the on the on the five yard line right we went what

01:02:03.580 because he's gonna get crushed by this capital siege now imagine imagine if like all these

01:02:08.360 suburbanite but yeah you know he's i mean you you think of nick last three years he's been out there

01:02:12.940 outside of cpac you know haranguing charlie kirk and charlie kirk is is trump's man and he had the

01:02:20.240 gory for army going against charlie kirk and he was this guy nick had a lot a lot of support right

01:02:25.840 from ordinary zoomer young republican voters he was this was a thing they were worried about

01:02:32.540 well uh imagine i imagine nick nick fuentes is lucky if he probably goes down worried about it

01:02:39.300 anymore goes down because all this stuff gets sued into oblivion lucky if he's not thrown into prison

01:02:46.800 and then the gop establishment the gop establishment he was just railing and raising his fist and collapses

01:02:53.260 right after he goes to prison because all their voters because all their damn voters have left and

01:02:59.740 become democrats like like um like the lincoln project and and not only that but like republican

01:03:06.900 voters i guess i i mean i mean we i mean we thought trump was a pacifier you rip that pacifier out out of

01:03:13.920 the mouth and it has unknown effects and these these polls i'm looking at i mean can you i mean can you

01:03:20.460 think about think about it if like if that 70 percent of voters that trump wing okay okay first of all

01:03:29.100 the same people believe the fraud shit the exact same figure in the poll the exact same people say

01:03:35.740 that you know um they're don't convict trump and the exact same number there's the right yeah it's all

01:03:44.280 wrapped up it's intrinsically wrapped up with total nonsense and therefore it can't actually express

01:03:52.360 itself and even the fuentes thing it was wrapped up in total nonsense and look where this leads

01:03:57.740 it leads to in all likelihood a jail cell because you you can't you have to say no to the nonsense you

01:04:06.980 have to take it out of the like white identity our future our ideals you have to just rip it out of

01:04:14.980 that nonsense and not draft on the nonsense which is what he was doing yeah i mean yeah i mean yeah

01:04:21.100 that's that's right he he went he drafted all in the nonsense because the thing the the way the

01:04:25.360 landscape looks in 2021 is that the republican conservative the cpac crowd is on the verge of

01:04:32.380 crumbling just because their voters aren't there anymore um you have this the the trump crowd their

01:04:39.540 racial identity has gone through the roof it is clear it's clear as day in the polls um and like

01:04:47.100 nick nick kind of collapsed on the on the one yard line there if if if he hadn't gone through that

01:04:51.680 capitol siege god he would he would have uh that's my point he had no choice he was on a roller coaster

01:05:00.440 right yeah he he because that stuff was intrinsically tied in with that nonsense

01:05:06.520 yeah that is the problem because it doesn't lead anywhere it leads to disaster all of this white

01:05:12.920 identity if it is connected to the marjorie taylor green types at q anon whatever is the new q anon

01:05:21.080 in the next two or three years all of this just bullshit and religious right bullshit let's just be

01:05:28.380 also be brutally frank here it will be destroyed and it will go down like uh you know getting drop

01:05:35.480 fumbling the ball let me okay let me let me not go anywhere when it is when it is coming from that

01:05:42.240 type of thing let me let me let me let me let me use a historical analogy because you see all these

01:05:47.420 historical analogies from leftists right and there's the current historical analogies on what this is

01:05:52.020 reconstruction there's been literally insurrectionists who have attacked the capital

01:05:57.220 and right-wing violent domestic extremists are everywhere and there's a there's an and you know

01:06:04.880 they're using words like insurgency and shit because because they're going with this reconstruction

01:06:08.760 that is the wrong analogy the correct analogy is to you are you familiar with william jennings bryan

01:06:16.660 of course yeah yeah william jennings bryan was a lot like trump in that like he had this

01:06:23.020 of course i mean comparing and comparing trump to comparing trump to bryan in that like okay bryan was

01:06:31.860 a serious person an absolute you know look make a giant compared to damn donald trump right but he had

01:06:40.220 this magnetic cult-like the same magnetic cult-like effect on his followers that trump did

01:06:47.260 now of course now bryan was a left-wing i mean we think of it we think of it today as you know brian

01:06:54.320 is a this is the guy who defended you know in the scopes trial but he was also like oh he was an

01:07:00.200 he was a left-wing populist and a right-wing populist yeah is god we will not be crucified on a cross of

01:07:06.640 gold isn't that the line he he was a silver man so he he wanted to yeah he was explicitly arguing for

01:07:13.660 inflation so what happened what happened back in the this is uh uh drawback what happened back in

01:07:19.740 the first world war as well i think he left yeah it was he was he left wasn't it because of

01:07:25.740 resign resign because yeah wilson wanted to go to war so like what brian did what brian did back in

01:07:32.740 1890s if you think of it if you think of the climate back in 1890s is the end of the gilded age

01:07:37.360 you had all these all wealthy oligarchs it was a time of like massive record immigration um

01:07:47.460 farmers were just getting killed we're getting killed and we're angry yeah and what happened was

01:07:56.140 is that these people like kind of stormed the democratic party of that day and brian won the

01:08:03.240 nomination and transformed brian ran for president three times yeah in 1896 1900 1908 and if you go

01:08:15.300 back if you look at the this has been kind of interesting because i'm thinking about the

01:08:18.460 parallels the whole like when brian took over the democratic party back in the whole business

01:08:23.440 cultural republican uh uh establishment came down on them right it's the worst thing that ever

01:08:29.960 they spent like a i think it was even today it was like per capita like the most money ever spent

01:08:35.700 trying to trying to trying to stop a guy but what brian did in that election it was one of five

01:08:41.960 elections in american history that was a realignment election um jefferson jackson lincoln brian

01:08:50.340 fdr and i think reagan so these things kind of happen every 50 years so but anyway i mean

01:08:59.060 that's it kind of i don't know it just kind of reminds me like this first of all donald trump

01:09:04.600 isn't isn't he's he's right-wing populist i mean i mean okay but we agree with a lot of this stuff

01:09:10.460 right immigration we don't want immigration right um i mean we we want that's we we're excited we

01:09:17.120 want to kind of close to close the wars i mean before all the illegal aliens that's that's that's

01:09:22.980 great it's not enough it's not it's not sufficient but like imagine like if you could have that that

01:09:30.460 kind of politics that brian had which was he was you know a serious christian but he's also railing

01:09:37.200 against the plutocracy and you know you know could could appeal to like both it was that's that's the

01:09:44.900 history of left-wing and right-wing populism kind of split you know and it might be coming back

01:09:50.480 together that's my that's my hope but yeah but nick nick nick fontes yeah if nick had just you know

01:09:56.080 he could have been a child creature version of william jennings brian perhaps well no not not

01:10:02.720 necessarily that not necessarily that but i'm saying like i i'm saying like suppose it was a

01:10:09.260 realignment election and it just hasn't like completed complete complete completed yet um right

01:10:16.400 and the democrats are going back to being kind of like the rockefeller republican party was 30

01:10:21.700 right and yeah yeah and and and and you know that rising racial consciousness the the creditor

01:10:30.780 especially the christianity thing that nick was going with i mean that that has even that's like 80

01:10:35.460 percent right people if you look at like did you see the poll said that according to paul i saw i don't

01:10:40.800 know if you've seen this something like 80 it was exactly 87 of front voters are worried about rising

01:10:47.320 anti-white discrimination and um or you know worrying that christianity is under under attack um so these

01:10:56.900 people are developing an explicit sense of racial and religious identity it's happening and in this

01:11:06.420 faction of the republic the trumpets right it hasn't i mean it hasn't fully like burst out yet

01:11:11.980 but i mean that was i just saw that i saw that i was like damn look i i really appreciate you're

01:11:18.300 coming on here because i i i in terms of my own vision i have my disagreements with you although i i see

01:11:27.200 i really do see your point and then and also in terms of my own kind of personal aspirations like

01:11:33.200 career aspirations i'm definitely going in a very strongly different direction than that

01:11:38.200 but i i actually i i i see what you're saying and i think it's worth definitely worth contemplating at

01:11:46.400 the very least and um no i appreciate that uh no i think the william jenning bryant thing is

01:11:51.900 interesting and also i need to i need to i need to write on this as as well like i the the wexit

01:11:59.100 piece is is out there but i i think it needs to be a big thing on like a much a really a much bigger

01:12:07.360 um real a possible realignment that's taking place and to kind of take it bigger and bring it up to date

01:12:13.900 um and just calling it the white vote i think there's a little there might even be a little um

01:12:20.280 a little book in there um but so i i need to do some more writing on this myself and um

01:12:26.160 oh well about pat um we yeah we didn't we didn't comment on the pat feud um well yeah let's let's

01:12:32.500 let's tie a bow on it with the pat feud um look i have a certain i mean you know fuentes blocked me

01:12:41.160 on twitter a long time ago that's all i guess you need to know he's denounced me uh and so on and it

01:12:47.100 actually might be weirdly related to pat so um uh pat strikes me as a a rat fleeing a sinking ship

01:12:56.880 and but and but there's another weird aspect to it he's right to leave the he's right to leave

01:13:02.680 i know rats are smart like you shouldn't underestimate the the intelligence of a rat i mean it can feed

01:13:08.780 itself on it can eat anything can find food anywhere it can live anywhere it can survive everything i mean

01:13:15.220 it's a brilliant it's much more intelligent than a human being uh but uh so yeah he's a he's a rat

01:13:22.040 leaving the ship is that your is that your second i think pat's right not to do this i think there's

01:13:28.160 another i have another kind of interesting take which is that he in this weird way okay do this all right

01:13:38.800 watch the video of pat uh patrick i've never called him pat i i never liked him even when i was

01:13:45.760 around him i don't have any i can't yeah but okay watch the video of patrick casey with the sound off

01:13:54.620 and then pretend that you're just a normie what are you watching you're watching nick fuentes in this

01:14:01.620 weird way while like even though i mean he he he even though he said like oh i like america first

01:14:09.240 as a concept he was basically like oh it's become a personality cult he's he's the next richard spencer

01:14:14.180 all that kind of stuff that he was saying um but he was acting that's probably quentes

01:14:19.080 yeah he was he was he was he was the aesthetically fuentes he's trying to be fuentes

01:14:25.680 and because nick fuentes is going down that's why exactly and it's now time for everyone

01:14:31.420 yeah exactly and pat so he's a rat fleeing the second time he's second time he's tried it right

01:14:38.840 oh yeah he did the same thing to me i mean the second time he sees a moment of he he drafts off

01:14:46.320 someone who is superior to him because again i i i'm not here to bash fuentes he he is very articulate

01:14:54.500 he's got a weird charisma i fucking hate it but that's me um he clearly does have a charisma so

01:15:01.520 pat has no charisma and is not interesting and it's just kind of smarmy and unbearable

01:15:07.040 um but he he drafts you know it's like racing like you you draft behind the car you get right behind

01:15:13.440 the car that's in the lead and you have better aerodynamics because that car is in the lead and

01:15:18.440 then that car like spins out and you pass it and that's what he does to everyone he's ever around

01:15:24.420 and and he yeah he did this to me i mean he he was he was sure it's just like after charlottesville

01:15:33.660 is what exactly the same textbook pat pat knows when the pat pat is pat is always on the exit right

01:15:41.120 for it to make he's eyeing the exit and he's got his dagger kind of poised it's it's it's sheathed but

01:15:46.420 he's kind of like his his hand is like itching to grab it and stab someone in the back he i mean

01:15:53.240 he is right that is right this is a hundred times worse than charlottesville though i mean he is he is

01:15:57.840 right that is because a lot of things that he said was were completely correct the fbi never interviewed

01:16:04.200 us or confiscated our bank accounts or did any of this crap like you're doing the doing the fuentes

01:16:08.480 no and they're using they're using fuentes as a prop against trump they're using him as a club

01:16:15.600 against trump they now they did that to the alt-right to a degree but this is this is um endlessly

01:16:20.460 more powerful and and then also there's the added aspect to it of it's a it's a he's part of the trump

01:16:27.720 cult it's it's just it is infinitely worse and it's going to be infinitely worse for them they don't have

01:16:32.580 to worry about a civil suit or whatever that that is that should be the least of their concerns

01:16:36.920 they need to worry about not being um indicted by a grand jury which i think will happen in the

01:16:43.100 next uh three to six months i i predicted it on twitter i stand behind it there's nothing that will

01:16:48.980 change there's nothing that i've seen that changes my mind about that pat also seems to insinuate

01:16:53.840 that baked alaska has been cracked like an egg just like i i i said he was what was going to happen

01:17:00.940 i mean he said he said there's people who at the capital leagues have already turned

01:17:03.980 he kind of put that one out there i wonder who that is

01:17:07.520 i mean i don't know i don't even know i'm so disconnected from these people but i don't wish

01:17:14.380 you know i don't like i said the tragedy of it is i think you know man if they had if they hadn't

01:17:20.460 done this if they hadn't followed ali and done the stop the shill shit and um you know with trump this

01:17:26.840 this explosion of racial consciousness happening with trump voters right as they're going down

01:17:30.820 like it just god talking talking about making a swing and this they were right there they were

01:17:38.160 they were right in there and that the whole plan was to inherit this stuff it's like saying trump

01:17:42.360 oh if only you hadn't slept with stormy daniels it's in his nature and it's in the nature of what they

01:17:50.940 were on they were on this roller coaster ride and they thought that they had a steering wheel but it

01:17:56.020 was actually a little kitty steering wheel that is connected to nothing and just makes you feel

01:18:00.360 like you're do you think you think it's like the um the door closed button on an elevator that like

01:18:05.080 it does literally is not connected to anything it just is the last question last last last question

01:18:10.440 for for richard spencer okay suppose supposing these trends get okay so suppose like you know

01:18:16.360 living under woke sharia under biden um all the political correctness being more intense than ever

01:18:22.360 suppose this trend like continues of trump voters getting more racially conscious getting maybe

01:18:28.880 right to the surface would would richard spencer would richard spencer step forward to to lead the

01:18:36.660 white race assuming that happens well you know an arrogant bastard like myself is itching to step

01:18:44.560 forward to lead the white race yeah um that's not that's not the issue never say never maybe after

01:18:51.140 these true i've never said never never just just saying yeah of course i would do it plotting your

01:18:56.900 plotting eyeing a comeback here of course i'm i'm always eyeing a comeback i've never in the words of

01:19:03.060 james bond i never left but um yeah look it but i'm also kind of realistic enough to understand what

01:19:11.420 is yeah this is soaked in conspiracies and attached to trump like a cold white gravity force

01:19:18.400 yeah i mean it just in we in we we might need to do other things like we we might need to do a lot

01:19:27.460 of intellectual deadlifts in order to be strong enough to actually play in this league because and

01:19:36.000 and we need to do those deadlifts that we didn't do because we were we did like we were we were faking

01:19:41.720 it until we make it until we made it and we didn't make we didn't make it to a certain degree but we

01:19:47.220 didn't make it in the way that we ultimately need to and we're just monitoring the gym and you know

01:19:54.080 rub chalk on our hands and start doing deadlifts and and cleans and and know that we're not really on

01:20:00.960 the field right now but we need to we need to do that stuff that we didn't do we'll monitor the

01:20:07.720 situation and if this white identity stuff like if they're serious about that and you know that that

01:20:12.720 continues to be a rising champion be interesting we'll we'll see what happens you know it's sad for

01:20:18.060 nick it looks like he's going uh i guess next to the unabomber or something and well it's been uh

01:20:25.240 it's been quite i hope not i don't i don't even wish i don't even wish that on him i wish

01:20:30.380 weirdly kind of i hated him a lot i mean again i am really i mean i intellectually checked out of

01:20:38.440 what they were doing years ago but also just socially all of those people hate the hell out

01:20:44.140 of me like i'm still there like bet noir and you know so i have no connection to it um but i don't

01:20:51.160 know in in a weird way i kind of why do they hate why do they hate it why do they why do they like you

01:20:56.800 know i mean you told them trump was kind of like leading them on it was i mean a lot of the stuff

01:21:02.100 you said come true yeah i mean that that nick that that nick was you know gripping and was

01:21:07.960 stirring up this i mean they didn't a cult of personality and well they they wouldn't it was a

01:21:13.300 they didn't want to hear it they didn't want to hear it yeah it was a personality cult to you know

01:21:17.740 around trump and then the subsidiary of that and the mlm scheme was around nick but it was also

01:21:23.760 a kind of personality cult of the cult and i think maybe all cults are like this to some degree

01:21:29.880 in the sense that it was a it was a nick was put in a position and patrick was especially because

01:21:37.200 again patrick is is really um extremely unimpressive and just annoying i mean just

01:21:43.720 just kind of unbearable i i listened to this thing on audio only i just i i was kind of like i

01:21:50.780 to like not actually watch it he's like the guy he's like the guy pat is like the guy from the

01:21:56.120 sopranos when you find out that um when you find out that big pussy is is working for the feds and

01:22:03.320 um i actually do i've never seen this sopranos i should watch people tell me i would like it

01:22:09.600 actually because i like the godfather but anyway but um around the cult so nick

01:22:15.700 all of nick's bugs were features like the fact that he was this zoomer kid who left college and

01:22:23.520 lived in his mom's basement and ate you know mcdonald's every day and played video games all

01:22:29.640 the time and was an insult like all of those bugs from the perspective of me um were features from the

01:22:38.260 perspective of the movement because you know this guy it was actually a liberal um this new york times

01:22:44.360 reading liberal who told me this and i was like oh wow that explains everything he cracked the nut

01:22:49.880 that some people are you could say entertainers or leaders like and they they they're intellectually

01:22:57.980 challenging uh or they're they're they're they kind of just have it they they are saying things

01:23:04.520 that no one else says and they're they're kind of maybe inspiring but also maybe challenging kind of

01:23:08.360 rub you the wrong way or they're just wildly entertaining like alex jones or even stephen crowder

01:23:13.380 so they're just kind of funny they're bros they're they go crazy on online and all that kind of stuff

01:23:18.580 and then there's the type that's the reflector and the tim pool who is the most successful right wing

01:23:25.980 youtuber i would add um who who is the most mediocre and he just reflects his audience back to them it's

01:23:34.360 it's like it's a narcissism you're just looking in the mirror you have this guy who's not good

01:23:39.140 looking who's not that intelligent who's doesn't research his subject who has all these like

01:23:46.000 illogical conclusions but that's you and and so you're you're watching you and it's kind of soothing

01:23:51.380 and i think nick was a little bit of both i think nick is articulate and he he he does have balls i'll

01:23:59.000 actually grant him that after 2020 he does have balls now balls you might need to temper those balls

01:24:03.640 sometimes yeah it takes it takes a damn balls to you know like cheer on the what was happening at

01:24:08.380 the capitol yeah exactly to just go there and then you go no but he reflected them as well but he

01:24:13.660 reflected them so he's all right yeah he's like you're damn right he's like you're damn right we

01:24:17.420 busted down the uh doors of the doors of congress and sent the the vice president of the united states

01:24:23.480 it's like i wonder if i i don't i don't know if it's ball that i just don't think it was like

01:24:28.180 you know maybe like you said like he lives in a video he lives in a video game he lives in a video

01:24:33.280 game he lives in a meet yeah he was he was his joker moment he lives in you know he lives in a hyper

01:24:38.780 real world of a video game but then the simulation became reality and it was like holy shit this is

01:24:45.340 actually real and i think it's probably now just just you know coming into his consciousness but he he

01:24:52.300 was both entertaining but he also kind of reflected the movement and that whole movement the amnat thing

01:24:58.100 it was identitarian in a way it was like it was gamers it was incels i think it probably did attract

01:25:05.300 boomers at the end but it was that type of person who's kind of you know racist and mad but doesn't

01:25:12.300 really know how to articulate something and in some ways its identity like that's also its its ultimate

01:25:19.720 limitation but it was his ultimate sorts of strength so it's just to be fair so it's a um an interesting

01:25:27.460 thing it it actually is a kind of page and right-wing history you could say maybe even a chapter

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RadixJournal - February 17, 2021

The End of America First？

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