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- March 04, 2026
The End of Ideology
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19 minutes
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3,157
Sentence Count
2
Misogynist Sentences
1
Hate Speech Sentences
6
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hello nima how are you i'm good i'm glad you survived your reported uh your reported death
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richard oh due to massive weight gain or due to the fact that i am an indeed a muslim cleric
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which one was it i don't know i saw it i was like actually i swear i was like you look looks just
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like richard with his mustache you know okay i thought that was ai of me but is there actually
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a guy who's like my doppelganger it's it's genuinely uh an iranian cleric who was killed
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i can't remember what position he held and he just looks like you it's not ai it's literally a
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different man so wow well everyone has a doppelganger you know it's just a matter of
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numbers you know at some point this you know enough 80 percent of the same genes are going
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to combine in the same way and so there's someone out there i remember as an aside when i was actually
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living in virginia at this time this was about 20 years ago and i was in a coffee shop and i saw this
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man who was identical to mason who was my apartment mate at the university of chicago and he was a
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redhead with the beard we're in two different academic settings i i was in charlottesville it's
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like 2005 or whatever he was we we were flatmates in 2003 and 2004 at u chicago and i went up to him i was
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like mason what's up man why i can't believe we linked up and he like looked at me like i he was
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afraid and it was a different person apparently i've always been convinced that maybe mason just
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didn't like me and he like pretended to be but uh it's it's just kind of an eerie situation like
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doppelgangers are real you sometimes do run into people absolutely absolutely and uh before we start
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our conversation richard i have to uh i have to mention that uh people are probably excited to have
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me on as being half half iranian and all the rest of it i have discovered in the past uh week uh
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through the various forces of cringe seeing the behavior of iranian diaspora and so on uh that i am
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not in fact half iranian i am claiming now to be the last elamite and i'm going to through a series of
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elaborate dna tests prove uh actually that um my father's people actually predate the persians in the
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area because i cannot take the dancing parvalist activist class anymore uh and i also can't really
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i mean i i also saw the uh the mourning of the uh of the ayatollah and it was all very it was very
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performative it was very kind of externalized and uh i've always thought you know you know i've never
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got on well with iranians i'm very i'm kind of an introverted anti-social guy they're very outgoing
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people they love a party they love to dance they love to uh socialize and host and they're very warm
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and friendly uh whereas i'm very kind of uh cold and and and so i don't know i've always had a kind
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of temperamental clash and i'm starting to wonder if there's a genetic reason for this that uh you know
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maybe the elamites weren't like this but so there we are uh it's been very interesting situation it
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makes sense well speaking as a white american i feel like i am just reliving 25 years ago though in a
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compressed series of events and it's funny that i remember that anecdote about mason's doppelganger
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came to mind because that that was occurring during this period but the cheering and celebration
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of the diaspora of persians is analogous to the tearing down saddam statues or it's now in in 2003
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or it's analogous to these hijab wearing muslim women in afghanistan going to undergraduate university
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for the first time they could they could finally um learn about the wonders of underwater basket
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weaving or whatever they were deprived of and what i remember watching just an interview last night
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between sean hannity and bibi netanyahu and we're just back it's the same people in fact saying the same
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exact thing as if nothing happened in between they're talking about the the iranians are in a war
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against civilization that yes it might be hard now but the amazing benefits that america will accrue by
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getting rid of this regime and all of the good people of iran hate the ayatollah which might have a
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kernel of truth to it to be fair but it's the rhetoric we we have a there was chalabi back in the iraq war
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days uh now we have a descendant of the shah who's making the rounds on television are they going to
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implant him in there will it work out about as well as the chalabi uh coup worked out it i could go on
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and on and on and i guess one of the things that i've recognized is that the terror war paradigm the
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hard pro-israeli anti-muslim interventionism with some humanitarian rhetoric and elements wars against
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civilization the fight against the terrorists this has been an enduring paradigm since the end of the
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cold war and i don't think in fact any as botched as it was in implementing as illegitimate as it is
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in the minds of intellectuals and a lot of the public it remains an enduring paradigm for organizing
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the unipolar world if you want to call it the pax americana post the cold war and we're back
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but maybe we never left so what are some of your thoughts uh around this i mean you're a little bit
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younger than i but you have experienced all these things i was around in that period as well and i did
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for my own sin support the iraq war partly i mean partly because uh all my friends were going on
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anti-war marches and i remember i was in college at the time and they were giving out free sandwiches
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and people who were just kind of on the fence they went to have a free lunch basically and i was like
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there's something something up here and i remember i remember reading richard uh robert kagan's paradise
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and power and i still have that book you know i mean i'm still kind of known around places of
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you know a machiavellian if you want um and so i kind of i i understood some of the arguments
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and i was into machiavelli even back then and i've always had a soft spot for tony blair as people know
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so i kind of like talked myself into it all the way back then i kind of supported it partly on
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you know intellectual ground partly on contrarian ground uh but back then i remember distinctly
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thinking well you know our leaders have a plan uh all of this there must be an actual reason for it
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whether it's oil or strategic or something you know obviously i was 18 19 so i wasn't to know better
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i was kind of naive in a way and and so i i supported it back then i will say there is a difference though
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there is a difference and um and i would say you know they say that the first time is tragedy the
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second time is farce you know you can say what you want about the og neocons right there's this
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one picture of bush in his cabinet you know his classic vanity right and um yeah and in a way the
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same in this country as well where it's uh like tony blair and alistair campbell and peter mandelson
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who's now destroyed disgraced of course but they had like cool aesthetics in a way and they had
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this air of i guess like ruthless efficiency you know this air of kind of like yeah we're not
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macking about so you can you can kind of do hard machiavellian max politique you could call it right
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if you're going to do it with a bit of pizzazz unfortunately this version of it neocon 2.0 is
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just retarded and incompetent and you know it's not this crew it's not that old crew it's you know
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chud pete hexeth and marco rubio and trump babbling about curtains and so it to me it has a very late
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empire feel where it's almost like you might look back and be like well you know these were the five
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good emperors and it's like clinton and bush and bush one you know i mean but it feels like we're in
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we're in gorbachev zone here or even boris yeltsin zone yeah i yeah i think the yeltsin is maybe a
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better comparison even yeah it's interesting because oh i have two things to say and first off i'll ask
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you a a kind of a harder harder in the sense of brass tacks hard and then i'll ask a kind of deeper
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or maybe more highfalutin question so like what is the plan exactly because they seem to be pursuing
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these different differing rhetorical strategies to different audiences because trump has outright
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said as clear as day we are going to annihilate their military they didn't just fire in military
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targets they fired directly on political targets in fact they killed the head of state and did they
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kill akhmed denejad as well or was he appearing on podcast apparently he's gonna be on patrick bat david
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is he literally or spiritually dead that's the question both perhaps he'll appear on pbg or pbj's
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podcast as i call it pbj's podcast he'll just appear dead on the body and just let you know patrick
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continue to talk at him but okay so they say it's this very contradictory thing so they are going balls
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to the wall on the one hand yet their messaging on the other reminds me of vladimir putin's
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declaration that he was engaging in a special military operation they're using the same words
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but in both cases you know you're in for a penny you're in for a pound there there were little actions
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in the donbass region for a decade between ukraine and russia and in you could sort of say it was a
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war of sorts but once you go in and you i mean putin certainly wanted to kill zelensky or at the
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least capture him and put him on trial or something like this he wanted to denazify the country who knows
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what else he was claiming at the time but it was it was depicted as a special military operation this
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little unique thing it's very precise we're going in but the fact is it can't be like vladimir putin
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is engaged in a four-year long war of attrition at this point in order to quote denazify ukraine or
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whatever he was claiming at the beginning and i feel the same as well with the united states in the sense
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of yeah this is a little bit more than what we did last summer but you know maybe it's not regime
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change maybe it's not boots on the ground but again you're in for a penny you're in for a pound i mean
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i don't know how you get out of this without doing a regime change or how you would do a regime change
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without boots on the ground so i i just feel like there's some and i guess maybe i'll ask the more
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highfalutin question along with this one since i'm i'm rambling a bit but it's like bush and cheney
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and the neocons from u chicago they studied philosophy etc they were able to create an ideology
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even a sort of theology about what they're doing in the middle east we every human heart yearns to
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be free that is basically what there was bush literally said that in 2005 we are bringing
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democracy and democracies never go to war so our greatest ideals and our hardest realism are the
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same that that that was how they pitched it it's kind of brilliant in fact it's it almost it's hegelian
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it's like the ideal is real and the real is ideal i mean and again it's coming from these
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philosophers you know in the pentagon which is i guess not surprising that they would couch it
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in this way and yet they never went into iran they were politically neutered by 2006 in the midterm
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election they were seen as illegitimate they were made fun of on various comedy shows they were willing
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to go all the way to destroy iran which was part of their long-term objectives you know even in the
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late 90s and now we have trump who and the trump administration and the pr wing who can't message
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to save their life who are saying just blatantly contradictory things to different audiences they
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don't care they don't know they're just dumb all of the above and yet they've done it they did the thing
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that cheney feared they did the thing that that was probably a bit too much for john bolton i mean he
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would he i mean he's kind of like whoa we might want to slow down here with the war stuff which is hilarious
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and and ironic but so we're in this like contradictory situation where there's no justification no
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legitimacy and yet they're going farther than the people who as you rightly point out seem competent and
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dare i say cool in comparison with these assholes so what are your thoughts on that well on the plan
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i mean obviously i've been racking my brains to try to figure out what the hell they're doing
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for the past uh well like all of us for the past four five days now and um i mean i think it's day
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four as we're recording this and uh i mean they've changed the reason every single day in fact i watched
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a marco rubio press conference where he seemed to change the reason about three or four times within
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the same press conference so that suggests to me that something hasn't gone something has not gone to
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plan whatever the plan was has not gone to plan otherwise you're not getting this making up
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reasons on the fly business and the mission creep you know originally it was about nuclear stuff and
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regime change then it's uh kind of somehow transformed now into you can't allow iran to have short range
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missile capability uh which on the face of it is an insane doctrine that i don't think they can
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not even convinced it's in the remit of american power to enforce i mean essentially what you're saying
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there is iran is not allowed to have an army or not allowed to have a defense which you know i don't
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think was the original purpose which means i honestly think to do regime change you know i mean
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they've just sort of painted themselves into a corner i honestly think we should uh it is as simple
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and as stupid i'm afraid to say as they went in there thinking that they create conditions for the
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people to rise up and overthrow the government and when that didn't happen and iran started fighting
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back and fighting back in a way that i surprised me i mean all the stuff with gulf states and
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hitting uh you know hitting the the strategic assets in the gulf and so on has surprised even me
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with how quickly they're able to do that i think they're like oh shit what do we do now and they're
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scrambling and there's a lot of signs that this did not have unlike the bush wars or bush blair
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or if you want to go that way unlike those wars there are lots of signs that this does not have
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what i would call regime consent which writ large by which i mean the media clearly are not as on side
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as they were in the iraq war i've seen critical critical segments on cnn and on bbc and
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you know i i listened to the shitly radio station here and there's also i mean the memory of iraq
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one looms very large but also i get the distinct sense that the media is not quite sure that the
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democrat party i saw that speech from chuck schumer earlier on was being like what's going on why haven't
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you why haven't you asked for congress uh approval for this what is the actual plan taking us to war
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we don't even know you haven't even told congress what's happening you've got the pentagon leaking
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against the administration so i think there's a lot of telltale signs richard that um the trump
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admin has gone a little bit rogue and the rogue action was precipitated as marco rubio said
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by israel and that in a way israel has gone rogue and it trump admin that one part of the american
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system has gone rogue with it in a way that the rest of the even national review which is neocon
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central were saying like hold up here you know when people like john bolton and national review
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are saying hold up are we sure about this you can tell it hasn't had the normal kind of they haven't
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gone through the normal protocols uh also foreign policy magazine which is another i guess establishment
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talk they also are not sure in this country it is extremely unusual for our establishment for the
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british establishment for the british government or former generals and things like that not to be
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100 on board in my entire lifetime whether if afghanistan or iraq or ukraine okay it was complete
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consensus on in our media okay you get the occasional jeremy corbyn or peter hitchens or
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something but generally they're all on board in this one all week they've there's been very senior
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voices former ambassadors former generals current generals the actual government being like yeah we
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don't want any part of this because so that's all of that suggests to me that something unusual has
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happened here this is not normal quote unquote neocon war i think it's very much uh an israel
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trump admin at the risk of sounding like rachel maddow are we living i mean not that stopped me before but
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are we sort of living in a dictatorship i mean in the sense that now i know that according to the
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constitution congress should declare war and so on but since
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