00:00:49.420But the mistreatment of the poor during the Victorian age and so much of the 19th century was appalling.
00:01:02.160Living in the Dust Bowl, the sort of social and familial breakdown that was occurring on a daily basis during the Great Depression was tremendous.
00:01:14.120You know, it's like we think that the past was the 1950s.
00:01:18.160In many ways, the 1950s and the boomers who were getting married all the time was a reaction to the past.
00:01:25.640It was a reaction to familial breakdown.
00:01:29.260Unwanted pregnancies, abortions, dad leaves us.
00:01:34.160The last thing he said is that I'm just going to the store to get some milk and we never saw him again.
00:01:38.900This kind of thing was occurring all over the place.
00:01:43.600And the idea that life in the Industrial Revolution was this sort of egalitarian, middle class society where janitors had four kids or whatever is just wrong.
00:01:57.020And in terms of human history, we know this through empirical research, but elites were outbreeding the underclass at a rapid clip throughout human history.
00:02:10.840And you can actually research this and see this mostly through names and marriage records, etc.
00:02:18.080So that 1950s utopia where the janitor had a stay-at-home wife and four kids and a garage and a vacation or whatever, is that like where we want to go back to?
00:02:34.020Or is that an aberration, an exception that sort of proves the rule?
00:02:38.900And if you're starting from this point, I don't quite know what to say.
00:02:44.020Yeah, I mean, we just can't get beyond the fact mentally as a society that we've had a slow living standards improvement when you're looking back a thousand years.
00:02:57.220And we had this recent bump where it shot up so fast.
00:03:03.280And now we're kind of coming down from a high.
00:03:07.700But all we can think of is the fact that we don't feel as good as we did when we had that high.
00:03:12.660And now people are kind of righteously pissed that like they're not living better than their parents, despite they might be more educated and telling them like, oh, hey, at least you're not living in the year 1700.
00:03:30.900Just be grateful you have running water is the coldest of cold comforts.
00:03:34.960And people are reacting figuratively violently when told that when society is telling them no to their idealized versions, idealized living standards.
00:03:45.920And you can't blame the person that's mad because no one wants their life to be a kind of sacrificial lamb to history.
00:03:54.240And they want to grasp at straws whatever ways they can.
00:04:07.920And I think that much of the kind of cost concern is driven primarily by the fact that lower classes now have bourgeois expectations.
00:04:16.720If you don't give your kid away to school, to university, if he works, if he could work at a McDonald's at age seven, you could actually afford a life and it would be manageable.
00:04:28.500Or you could go the African-American route and just live off of SNAP benefits and get six babies and do it that way.
00:04:35.700You know, like there's still a very much attainable high fertility path, but nobody wants to take it.
00:04:44.220So it can't be like how the stock market's doing.
00:04:47.880It can't really be like all these other independent economic factors that have shifted and changed and been so different over the course of the last 50 years.
00:04:54.680The one big thing that we changed is we pushed women into college and into the workforce.
00:05:01.160And by the 1980s, they were on par with men in workforce participation.
00:05:06.960So in the span of about 20 years, we almost doubled the labor force by pushing all the women in.
00:05:16.220So now you are stuck in a two income trap where even women who want to stay home and even dads who would love to have their wife home with their kids.
00:05:24.880So why did women entering the workforce keep men's wages stable or keep them from going up along with the inflation?
00:05:33.140It really fundamentally changed the economy.
00:05:36.300I have a friend named Aaron Clary who wrote a book about the about this.
00:05:39.800It's an analysis of what he calls a female based economy where it's more consumer driven.
00:05:45.700Women are like responsible for 80 percent of consumer spending.
00:05:48.800And now that they're all educated and in the job market, we have a lot more of things like HR departments, psychology, sociology, like the economy.
00:06:00.720Okay, so I agree with the basic notion that if you double the size of labor, that labor costs are going to go down.
00:06:11.060I mean, it's a just brute reality of supply and demand.
00:06:14.960I get that, but at the same time, I do think that her analysis is quite blind because women entering the workforce is going to create a bigger economy overall.
00:06:30.700It's similar to like Richard Hanani appraising immigration where I do feel like he's missing something where it's like, yeah, you bring in millions of people and you're going to have to have millions, millions of more homes.
00:06:46.560You're going to have to have millions of more McDonald's selling them food.
00:06:50.900You're going to have to have millions of more Walmarts selling them goods, sell millions of more cars, et cetera.
00:06:56.840It's not growing per capita per person, and it might be getting worse in that way, but it's going to sort of it's going to grow the economy and women entering the workforce.
00:07:10.820There's going to be a greater division of labor, et cetera.
00:07:13.940She seems to be blaming women for like technological and geopolitical realities of which women entering the workforce was in fact a symptom and not a cause.
00:07:31.120So it's not like women came into the workforce and we're like, oh, wow, we all used to be lumberjacks, but now we're going to be HR directors and psychologists or something.
00:07:49.560We benefit in the United States from the dollar system.
00:07:54.820The dollar is in effect the gold standard.
00:07:58.740We benefit from this post-World War II system where we can outsource a lot of the hard labor and benefit from furthering the division of labor so that you don't have to own a small farm where you're raising your eggs and your cows so you can eat first and your family and then you might sell the surplus or whatever.
00:08:25.000There's going to be a egg place that takes care of that and they're going to sell you eggs at five cents a pop and you can do something else.
00:08:35.620And again, like we're able to have a country where you can have an HR manager, you can have a college professor, you can have a poet, you can have a beauty consultant.
00:08:50.260That can be your career, in fact, whereas if we didn't benefit from this geopolitical reality and post-industrialization and offshoring, et cetera, we didn't benefit from the United States and the dollar system being the center of a global economy.
00:09:05.760So we can outsource all that grunt labor to other people, then that kind of thing couldn't exist.
00:09:15.560Like you actually can be a poet in the afternoon if you want to.
00:09:20.000If you are working for your own survival to feed yourself, you have no time to do something like that.
00:09:26.580Now we have this luxury and it's almost like she wants to turn the world into a factory.
00:09:34.780It's like a kind of weird type of communism where it's like we want to go back in time to this point where we're overpaying men to be lumberjacks so that they can have a family of four.
00:10:09.200Like women's entrance into the workplace is a symptom of these technological and material changes.
00:10:17.240We needed more people working because of the economy growing.
00:10:22.260And secondly, women are arguably better at a lot of things like being nurses, like being social media managers, like being HR directors, like working in an office.
00:10:38.460I agree that there's some like bad things about it and there are tradeoffs.
00:10:42.100I agree with all that, but it just is what it is.
00:10:45.000I don't think we should give women in a way the credit that they like transform things.
00:10:51.480And I'll just add one more thing on here, which is that running a household used to be a just all day thing.
00:11:00.900Like women think they have it bad now, you know, or like if you're a home, a homemaker, you're like, oh my God, I don't even have time for the laundry.
00:11:08.880It's 3 p.m. I've got a soccer practice already.
00:14:01.580I'm going to go have a career as a talking head.
00:14:04.240Anyway, let's listen to a little more.
00:14:06.640We shifted away from being like manufacturing and production and more male dominated things to we have all these women coming out of university.
00:14:13.920And, you know, what do they get degrees in?
00:14:17.040I think 80 percent of psychology degrees are earned by women.
00:14:20.820And then despite all our efforts to push women into STEM, they're still like maybe 20 percent of STEM degrees.
00:14:27.660So we have all these very educated women and we have a lot of kind of fluffy jobs like office.
00:14:34.240But doesn't that demonstrate that sex differences haven't been overcome in a way?
00:14:39.900Well, she'll make I'm sure she makes a point that women are more people focused and men are more things focused.
00:14:46.400And yet somehow it's scandalous that women are getting psych degrees over engineering.
00:14:52.380Does she want them to go get engineering degrees?
00:14:54.600I mean, is it I don't I don't get her criticism.
00:14:57.340I don't I don't know what she's arguing there.
00:15:08.520The janitor doesn't have four kids over in Beijing.
00:15:12.480I think that she's buying into like the STEM propaganda that like any degree is STEM is useless, even though that a psychology degree actually can be very useful.
00:15:21.660My my grandfather had a master's in psychology and he was like managing human resources.
00:16:01.280You vote for Trump because you want your coal mining job to stay.
00:16:05.820But like you don't have the creativity or gumption to like create an app or what it like all that just like I granted that kind of talk was totally annoying.
00:16:14.700But the ironic outcome is that I can just build your app for you like you don't need these STEM people anymore.
00:16:23.680You know, I always disliked that kind of notion anyway, like they'll say like, oh, you have a degree in underwater basket weaving or like you have a degree in feminism.
00:16:35.600But they would say the same thing about like a degree in the classics or like like, oh, you read Shakespeare.
00:16:51.720Heaven forbid someone like study like sculpture and painting or whatever and not like how to be an engineer.
00:17:00.460I just always hated that attitude, but it's sort of interesting that at least in terms of coding now we'll see about other things law coding and to a lesser degree medicine, I think are going to be the first victims of the AI revolution, but coding 100%.
00:17:19.840Why would you conceivably hire a low level coder at this point?
00:17:24.780I mean, it's literally just computer language.
00:17:27.760So obviously the AI is going to do that better than a person.
00:17:32.180I think medicine will be fine, though, just due to the heavy regulatory nature of it.
00:18:03.960They're doing a lot of the stuff they used to do, which the Marxist feminists called unpaid labor, right?
00:18:10.320This is the myth of women's unpaid labor.
00:18:12.440So instead of cleaning your own house, educating your own children, cooking meals for your family, maybe for your parents or grandparents who can't cook for themselves, all the things we used to do for our own family, clerical work, bookkeeping for your husband's business, things like that.
00:18:27.060We're doing those things for corporations so that and this was kind of by design.
00:18:32.560A lot of the book is about the fact that there were people who pushed feminism and it wasn't because women were oppressed and they cared about the position of women necessarily.
00:18:42.220It's because the same people who pushed the 19th Amendment and pushed progressivism and feminism were the same people who drafted the Federal Reserve legislation, came up with the income tax, came up with the compulsory education system.
00:18:57.200And especially on the Marxist side, they pushed feminism because they said, if we can push mothers and women into the workforce and we double the workforce, workers of the world unite.
00:19:08.500So it's like we have this huge workforce and through the university systems, we can propagandize the young women to be socialists and to be Marxists because they kind of tend that way anyway.
00:19:18.760The way that women's brains work is very like communitarian.
00:19:55.160You just want a socialist society for the middle class in this really weird way where we're going to like have a planned economy based around lumberjacks and janitors.
00:20:07.820This is like Steve Bannon's wet dream as well.
00:21:11.880But I think it's just very obvious that rather than feminism just happening for some reason and causing all this change.
00:21:20.480I mean, Rachel, feminism becomes a thing at a time where our whole relationship to labor and each other is like completely being upended by like huge technological changes.
00:23:12.980And every time they've come into the workforce, what's happened, and this is because feminism is ultimately a labor movement.
00:23:19.880Like, it happened in the early 20th century, is that women come into the workplace, and they're having, the working conditions are terrible in these factories.
00:23:32.140You know, all these women, like, burned alive in a factory.
00:24:18.840When you talk about the appeal of this sort of narrative to the Joe Rogan audience, it reminds me of something Mark said a while back.
00:24:28.260Because, like, if you engage to some degree with, like, just 100, like, normie core guys, you'll find that very often they've absorbed significant elements of this sort of mere narrative that, man, these college-educated liberal women are just out of control.
00:25:22.380I go over in the book how you can just read the writings of these people and they tell you.
00:25:27.640August Babel, Alexandra Kolontai, Margaret Fuller, like, all these early 1800s writers were saying we need to get women away from the home and away from being mothers and push them into the workplace.
00:27:21.240Like, I don't know what you're talking about.
00:27:23.540You make a point that women are doing all these jobs that they would have otherwise been doing at home, but then suddenly your picture of a woman with a job is like a VP at a Fortune 500?
00:27:36.740That's not the average woman, obviously.
00:27:39.240Average woman is, like, a nurse, a teacher, just doing a job probably better suited for her because she's a woman in jobs that men don't tend to pick because they don't tend to have an interest in it or tend to excel at it.
00:27:51.520Most men don't want to teach, like, a room full of five-year-olds.
00:28:02.480They go to public schools where the public school system then can dictate to them what the values should be, how, you know, what the worldview should be instead of the parents.
00:28:59.400You need to instill a value system in the population through these institutions.
00:29:07.460And, yeah, you could probably find some of these examples of, like, crazy blue-haired people talking about, like, gender or whatever.
00:29:14.280But most of public schools, like, saying the Pledge of Allegiance at 830 and, like, learning some kind of balderized, like, happy version of American history for you to love your country.
00:29:28.800I don't know what people are talking about.
00:29:30.440It's not like that, at least out here in Montana.
00:29:32.620They just learn the basic stuff, and they do learn a narrative history of why America is good.
00:29:40.700Now, I'm sure there's some exception to that that you can find, but you need that to have a cohesive community and a cohesive nation.
00:29:49.360Homeschoolers, I don't, I just inherently dislike it.
00:29:53.260But don't you think it's more an issue of culture?
00:29:55.580Because, I mean, European aristocracy was homeschooled, and you could replace the social activities that you have in public education with young clubs, churches.
00:30:04.420We're talking about the age of Barry Lyndon or something.
00:30:24.500Homeschooling now is like some woman telling her children that dinosaurs don't exist.
00:30:30.280What I'm saying is if your parents are incompetent, you're screwed regardless of whether you go to public school or are homeschooled.
00:30:38.020Whereas if your parents are competent, they can still set up a way better program education-wise.
00:30:44.200I think if your parents are totally incompetent, you're kind of screwed.
00:30:48.780But you're actually, you have a chance if there is public education.
00:30:52.180You're better off going to a public school, and at least just for the social aspect alone, being isolated with your weird, incompetent parents is not a good thing.
00:31:04.380It's good to actually have an experience outside of the home in that case that actually is better.
00:31:09.240If your parents are awesome, highly functional, then they might very well be good homeschoolers.
00:31:16.920And I've even heard of examples just anecdotally of like, my kid had this really bad year.
00:31:33.640But again, I hear those anecdotes from highly functional parents, you know, like, I don't know what to say.
00:31:42.120Even in South Chicago, like that little black girl whose dad is gone and mom is drugged out of her mind has a chance by going to a public school.
00:31:55.540I mean, homeschooling, like a lot of stuff people did were to avoid diversity then.