The Great Transition
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Transgender Health Secretary Rachel Levine was confirmed by the Senate on January 20, 2021, making her the first transgendered member of the cabinet to be confirmed, and the first one we know of. The appointment was celebrated by the media as the next stage of progress, but few, maybe none, were willing to critically and scientifically examine the origins and nature of transsexuality. Where does it come from? What does it mean? Are transsexuals, as it were, male brains or souls in female bodies? Or something else entirely?
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It's Monday, January 25th, 2021, and welcome back to The Spencer Report.
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I'm of course referring to President Joe Biden's appointment of Rachel Levine as his assistant health secretary,
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the first transgendered cabinet member to be confirmed by the Senate,
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The appointment was celebrated by the media as the next stage of progress,
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but few, maybe none, were willing to critically and scientifically examine the origins and nature of transsexuality.
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Are transsexuals, as it were, male brains or souls in female bodies?
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It's past time that we critically investigate this major trend.
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Ready to talk about one of the most important issues of our time, I guess.
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I couldn't imagine saying this five years ago, but now I have to.
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And that is transsexuality and transsexuality in politics.
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We have gone through the first black president.
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We've had our first woman of color who's either Jamaican or Indian, depending on the year.
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What were those horrible rubber shoes that people wore circa 2004?
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But now we have what's truly important, which is Rachel Levine has been nominated by Joe Biden
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But we have our first transsexual member of the cabinet, major appointment.
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And I think this demonstrates how far we've come in just around five years.
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It was around six or seven years ago that gay marriage, at least in the United States,
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And in symbolic fashion, Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, came out, even though it was everyone
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And a month later, Caitlyn Jenner became a household name.
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A year later, we're talking about transsexual children.
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And 2020, we're appointing them to the president's cabinet.
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If you don't stop to look around, you might know something.
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That is what the future of America is going to be.
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It's not just going to be declined into winter.
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As you know, I've had a number of personal experiences with transsexuals.
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And there is a very large body of research on the negative psychological dimensions associated
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And increasingly, if you talk about that, even in academia, even in journals with titles
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like the journal of whatever journals that overtly you would think that they would want
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to discuss these kinds of things, then you will get at least one of the two peer reviewers
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saying your research has the potential to marginalize already marginalized people.
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As if that is therefore an argument that it must be wrong.
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So you have the sort of fact value conflations, obvious fallacy, which is something I had to
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go through with an article which I published recently in an academic journal.
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There was a transsexual researcher who was allowed to write a really scurrilous critique
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And at the moment, it seems me and my colleague are not allowed to respond.
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And it's obvious why we're not allowed to respond, because of the pressure the journal
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He has to allow the queer review as someone, what's the fellow's name, once called it.
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These days, research on this matter has to go through peer review.
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Blanchard said it has to go through peer review.
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And it's quite possible for something to pass peer review, but fail queer review.
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Because if you write an article on transsexuality, you'll normally, if you have two reviewers,
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you'll have one peer reviewer who'll actually be motivated by science.
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Because that comes about basically saying that if you, and I had a queer reviewer that
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said this, that the kind of arguments you are putting about transsexuality are akin to
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the kind of arguments that people are putting in the 50s about gays.
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So that's what they're comparing it to, which is no comparison at all.
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And because the evidence of psychological problems with homosexuals is nothing compared to the
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evidence of psychological problems with transsexuals.
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There are psychological problems with homosexuals.
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And I would have thought that the fact that a person was not an early onset transsexual,
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because that can be that there's some sort of problem with development or some sort of
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problem with the brain, so that it really is rather like they are a girl in a boy's body
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or vice versa, but with late onset transsexuals.
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We're talking about a person who was in their 50s or something like this, 40s, when they
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Then there is evidence of borderline personality disorder, of narcissism, of things like depression,
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And people might say, oh, well, you know, this is because they're mistreated and they're
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excluded, and so this makes them react like this.
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I'm not sure that that's the case with narcissism.
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But if that were the case, then why is it associated with all manner of physical problems, like
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I'm not sure Rachel Levine was excluded from anything.
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She attended Harvard and Tulane Medical School, and she was appointed to major faculty appointments
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Maybe not in the top elite, but kind of in the surrounding elite.
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I don't know if that was a concern that it correlates, being a male to female transsexual, a trans
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woman, correlates with masculinization, physical and mental masculinization, as I showed in
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the paper, and all manner of obscure problems, like anorexia, and really obscure sort of physical
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Well, let's back up a little bit, because I think we should make some distinctions before
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I mean, I think a distinction should be made between what we now know as being transgendered
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and transvestitism and transvestitism of various shades, which have been around since the Stone
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Transvestitism is frequently employed in the context of camp, theater, satire, sometimes religious
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It has also been a long-time perversion of certain men who want to put on pantyhose or
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whatever to get whatever titillation they get from that.
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It's been a thing, and it's been understood as either theatrics or a perversion or a fetish.
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And it's been a part of society, but certainly on the margins.
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What we have now is really fundamentally different, because it is not about, oh, this kind of weirdo.
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He looks like a boring accountant, but you wouldn't believe what he gets up to on the weekends.
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He is cross-dressing or doing shows or whatever.
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I was a woman born into a man's body or a man born into a woman's body or what have you.
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I know there are a few famous cases of transsexual identity, transsexual surgery, gender reassignment.
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It was nothing where we're having these debates on cable news about bullying of trans children
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But I think it's this identity question that is what separates it, because it is now assumed
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by our talking heads and leaders that you should not understand this in a way as a perversion
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And I think this is what is new and different and maybe most kind of baffling and important
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I mean, according to Ray Blanchard's research, and he's very much the authority on this,
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So there are those that we would call the homosexual transsexuals.
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They show signs of opposite sex behavior very young.
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And it would be these kinds of people that are going to be the ones that are, as it were,
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the convincing transsexuals where they transition.
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And also those that would have been transvestites.
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And they are distinct from what he calls the autogynephilic transsexuals.
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And autogynephilic transsexuals, he argues, what we're dealing with is a fetish.
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And these are people who are sexually aroused or otherwise profoundly satisfied by the idea
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They are, in a sense, sexually aroused by an idealized version of themselves.
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They're becoming the object of their sexual desire.
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And they are becoming the object of their sexual desire.
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Now, these kinds of people, they do not tend to have many indicators.
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And this only tends to hit in after adolescence.
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So people that have autogynephilic transsexuality, there is no indication at a young age that they
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And he's estimated to say that that's the majority.
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That's about 75% of them are these autogynephilic transsexuals.
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Alice Dreger has done a very interesting book on this.
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And he notes that they are trying to suppress discussion of this.
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And they're trying to sort of say that, oh, no, all transsexuals are just people who are
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the same as those that are born, thinking they're in the wrong body, but they've just realized
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Because the correlates, the physical and mental correlates of the two categories are
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And so those are the two things we have to distinguish between.
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If this was all to do with genetics and things like this, then the heritability would be high.
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But there are a number of studies that have shown that the heritability is low.
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So the heritability of transsexuality, of gender dysphoria, is something like 0.3.
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And so this would imply that it is overwhelmingly things going wrong, starting in the womb, but
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also just more broadly in development that is causing this.
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There's some sort of problem with their development that brings this about.
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And the correlates with regard to autoguidophilous transsexuality, I mean, the idea that it's
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to do with, they would try and dismiss correlates like depression and stuff like that as, oh,
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well, it's just to do with them being mistreated.
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But the correlates of being a trans woman include high cholesterol, high blood pressure, vision
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problems, deafness, chronic pain, arthritis, digestive problems, lung problems, kidney
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It's simply in pubic lice is a correlate, by the way.
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Among trans men, that is to say female to male transsexuals, the correlate might be
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So previous menstrual irregularities, premature or delayed menage, hyperanginism, that is
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to say they have complications because they have high levels of testosterone.
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And you have high evidence of high testosterone in both of these groups.
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They are more likely to have a number of other markers of testosterone.
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So it's, I mean, the way that it makes sense to Blanchard and to others is that
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to say that if you are masculinized, then you, one of the correlates of being masculinized
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One of the correlates, should I say, is autism.
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Autism does correlate with, not just with transsexuality, but with other mind-body dysphoria,
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such as eating disorders, such as anorexia, such as even there's a particular disorder where
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people like to, they want, they believe they're disabled and they are very satisfied by the
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idea of chopping bits off themselves or with Munchausen syndrome or these other sort of
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And the idea is that if you are autistic, you are high in, very high in systematizing,
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And therefore your world doesn't make sense because you make mistakes all the time and
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And so, and also you're easily overstimulated, easily overwhelmed by stimuli.
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And the result of that is that you don't feel in control of your own life.
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And so you don't develop a stable sense of self of where you are in the world compared
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Well, one way that you fill it is by, is, is by getting a clear structured identity that's
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clear and that's you and it's very black and white.
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And this is what you find with borderline personality disorder.
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So they will, they will get a very clear sense of identity and that's it.
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But ultimately it will be unstable because they will still be nagged by these doubts and
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And so frequently it will flip and they'll, they'll have a period of complete chaos and
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depression and then they'll flip into a very different identity.
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I think you get things like this when you get people that move from being, you know, far
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right to far left and vice versa, things like that.
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And an example of borderline personality disorder where you do this is narcissism.
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And with narcissism, you deal with the fundamental void by believing that you're perfect and
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you're wonderful and you're superb and whatever.
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And so anyone that highlights those secret doubts by highlighting a flaw in your identity
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And you'll get very, very angry with them and you'll want to sort of destroy them.
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And indeed, um, Alice Jagger, I think it was, someone called Lawrence, her name was, did
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an article on narcissistic rage in transsexuals, how it's not good enough with transsexuals
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They'll bring up your employer and say, do you want to be working?
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And they'll try and destroy you because that's what you have to do to destroy the person
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And so you can see why, um, these things will kind of come together in narcissism.
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And the other thing is the autistics tend to be sexually aroused by things, by objects,
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uh, you know, breast man or a leg man, whatever, that's more male thing.
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So you have narcissism where you are, where, where you, where, Oh, who am I?
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And secondly, you have, um, the development of a narcissistic sexuality,
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So a fetish with the same underpinning, which is autism.
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And these two things come together, um, in, uh, in, uh, in, in transsexuality.
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And then because the process of it, of it, of it occurring is a consequence of sort of
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high mutational low problems in early development, things like that.
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Then it correlates with all these other problems like asthma and, and, and deafness and,
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And it also correlates with eating disorders, because in a sense, an eating disorder is
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You, you, you take the control by not eating and that's how you control the situation.
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And so what I would suspect is that a person who is transsexual, um, has very serious,
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not, not a person that is a, that is a young transsexual, but a person who is a late onset
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And the, the, the later the onset, the worse really, um, is a, is a person who's going to
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And, um, I don't know if that's true on the individual basis with the doctor divine, but
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So a couple of questions, what, what percentage of the population do you think suffers from
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these kinds of personality disorders that I guess eventuate in transsexual?
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Oh, well, that's, that's very, very hard to say, but I mean, I mean, psychopathic personality,
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for example, has been put at about 1% and they are, they're on a spectrum, remember?
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So you've got degrees to which we're all, we could, we, it could be argued that we're all
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on a spectrum from borderline personality disorder to, to, to the, whatever the opposite of that
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So, so, um, that's hard to say, but it would be a low, and with transsexuals, it's been
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estimated that it's about 0.3%, but, um, it's growing, but I think that's a consequence of
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the fact that it's kind of becoming fashionable.
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And so, well, I was looking at some statistic, it's still under 1%, but it's, it's like 0.7%
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It's, there, there's clearly a generational thing going on now, whether that's environmental
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or actually genetic, because we are different, um, every generation.
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I think it's too, I think it's too quick for it to be, it's too fast and too dramatic a change
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I think it's mainly environmental that we, you, you, you, you just have this, this spiraling,
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um, individualism where you, where you question everything and things that are previously,
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uh, but completely unacceptable are now acceptable.
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Um, I mean, gender dysphoria, there was one study which found that 57% of people, uh, who,
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who have gender dysphoria fit the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder and 81%
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have some kind of personality disorder, normally borderline personality disorder.
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So, so that, that's, that's how prevalent it is.
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Um, only 20% of them don't have a personality disorder.
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Um, and so, so yeah, I think it's, it, it is growing because it's, it's more acceptable
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and it's, it's, it's a way of playing for status.
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Um, it may be a way of making sense of a sort of a gay phase, um, particularly with this sudden
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onset, uh, gender dysphoria, which there was a paper on by someone called Littman a few
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years ago, which was very controversial. And that seems to be mainly among teenage girls.
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And so it's almost like teenage girls are going through because remember sexuality in
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girls is only 0.2 to do with genetics. So it's overwhelming to do with environment and
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in England and whatever, they have these all girls schools. And so they go through, you
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know, they have the little sort of lesbian issues feelings, which in the past they would
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have just, it would be a phase. You don't talk about it. It's totally unacceptable and you
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get over it and that's that. And now of course they're encouraged to act upon
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them, but no, no, it's not even homosexual. It could be what, maybe I'm actually a man
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and there've been instances of, of, of entire girl friendship groups. So in days of old
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would just be anorexic. Um, in the nineties, it's the, yeah, the nineties, but now in the
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2000s, they're anorexia is it's like wearing combat trousers or whatever. I mean, it's just
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so no one's anorexic anymore. Get with the modern day, get into the 21st century. And it
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seems that the, and, um, it seemed, uh, it seems that the same people, uh, who would
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have been, uh, who was it? Uh, the, the, the, someone, someone mentioned this. I've got
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is it drunk a bit blank on his name. Steve Saylor, uh, I mentioned this actually in one of his
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articles. It's the same people that used to be anorexic that are now, uh, that are now
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and they go through a phase. And then of course the problem is that they're now encouraged because
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it's an identity to act on it, to mutilate their bodies. And, um, if we were under normal
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environment, normal conditions, then that wouldn't happen. It's terribly, terribly sad. As you know,
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I have a personal experience of it. I have a good, I had a good, had a good friend, uh,
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when I was at university who was, uh, eventually a male to female transsexual. And, um, he fitted
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the stereotype very clearly. Uh, he was clearly autistic. He, I've done a couple of videos on him
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actually, a guy called Alex Waddle. And, uh, he, he, um, fascinating guy. He, he dealt with
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everything as though it was a philosophical proposition. So you'd say, Alex, you want to
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come to the bar? You want to come to the pub? You want to come to the student bar? Um, so, um,
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when you say you're going to go to the student bar, are you going to go there just to hang
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out or are we going to have a drink? We're going to have a drink, Alex. We're going to have
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a drink at the student bar. Um, so when you say a drink, are you saying just like one drink
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or are we going to have many drinks? We're going to have a lot of drinks. We're going to go to the
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park. I'm going to get drunk, Alex. Um, right. The thing is, I haven't got to, and it would
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just go on like this. And he was very, very clever in classes and he achieved some very
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interesting things. He was president of the philosophy society. And then suddenly when
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he was about 21, he just suddenly decided he wanted to be a woman. And, and, uh, it went
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downhill from there. Um, and it was, it was just, and he ended up dead, then up dead, but
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he had all these terrible physical conditions. And when I looked into, when I looked into
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it later and I've been researching it, those conditions, uh, do actually correlate with
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subsequently becoming a transsexual. Transsexuality correlates with those precise, with those
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precise conditions that he had, these obscure, uh, disorders, uh, which meant he had constant
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back pain and, and, uh, and whatever. Um, but yeah, he, he, um, he really finished at
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university. He went away for a while and then he went to Brighton University of Sussex
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to a master's degree in philosophy and politics, uh, transitioned into being a woman. And then
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I don't know the details, but by 2009, he was working as a prostitute in, in Brighton, uh,
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which is a known like the gay capital of England basically. And, and he was working from home
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and he kept thousands and thousands of pounds in his, in, in, in, in his, in his flat in
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Brighton and from his money working as a prostitute. Cause he was a very good looking,
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um, successful male to female transsexual, I should say. I mean, on occasions after he
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had declared that he wanted to be a woman, um, I, I would be walking through Durham and
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I would see this pretty blonde, tall girl over the road at a distance smiling at me.
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I'm like, what's this? God, I'm in luck to, oh God, it's Alex. Um, and, and, um, and,
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and, and decided that he wanted to be called Dreher and Alexandria, I suppose. And, and
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all this. And then, and then eventually, yeah, he was one day, he very naively, he had no
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pimp or anything. And he took the, I always think of him as he took the clients back to
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his home. And I can, it seems, we're not a hundred percent sure, but it seems what happened
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was there was a sky television fitter called Neil Millen or something, Neil Millen or something.
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And, uh, and he said, he must've said to him something like your breasts are very
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pertal, you know, very, very nice breasts. And Alex would say, well, yes, they would
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be very nice because I was born a man. So the fakes, obviously they're going to look
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very good. It's something like that. And so of course this guy went absolutely mad
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and strangled him and then set fire to the flower. Awful. Um, and, uh, it, I, I think
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it's terrible in a way for society, because I think in normal times society wouldn't
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have let him do these destructive things and society would have looked after him and
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would have sort of, which is what he needed. He needed someone to look after him so he
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could do philosophy. That's what he needed. But no, no, society let him go off on his
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Um, in terms of the sexual attraction of transsexuals, um, I, I noted that with Caitlyn
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Jenner, who is, you know, the world's most famous transsexual, um, she or he, um, is dating
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another male to female transsexual. And so it's in this kind of weird way, uh, you know,
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Caitlyn Jenner is still attracted to women. Um, but is that, is, is, is, what, is that
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Yeah. Yeah. We looked at, we looked at, we looked at the data on that in the paper that
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we did and that, that is the case. So these, these relations, when they transition into
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being women, overtly women, they are disproportionately lesbians, like way above the percentage of what
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would be lesbians among women. So, yeah. So, and that would be consistent with the evidence
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that, um, they are high in masculine traits. Cause what, if you're a homosexual, if you're
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attracted to the opposite sex, then, then that's, that is associated with being feminized.
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People that are high in being masculinized tend to be attracted to the opposite sex. And that's
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yet another marker, which is consistent with this mob. They, they do tend to be, in fact,
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I know a transsexual, um, uh, uh, another one, uh, male to female transsexual. And, um, I, I met
00:28:31.020
her as a woman and she looks like a woman. So I always call her she, but she, and she once
00:28:36.120
said to me that she was, she has a girlfriend and, um, and she was, um, having sex with this
00:28:41.880
girlfriend. And she said to me that she just kept thinking to God, I wish I still had my
00:28:46.080
dick. Um, well, I think we, I think we can go into this area as well, because I, I am
00:28:53.600
hearing more and more stories about gender transition regret that ha that, that of course, you know,
00:29:02.480
if you go through a phase in high school, you know, and you haven't botched your body, then
00:29:09.100
you can be okay. But there's serious regrets among people after going through a, you know,
00:29:17.480
surgery, uh, a major genital mutilation surgery. And it just sounds extremely tragic. Uh, listening
00:29:26.100
to these people, they've made it, they've made a decision that they can't reverse. I
00:29:29.440
mean, it's, it's, it's infinitely worse than getting a bad tattoo. You could say it strikes
00:29:34.820
me. Yeah. It's true. It strikes me that you can think about narcissism and borderline personality
00:29:39.480
and whatever. And we think, we think about it in a black and white way. So people like
00:29:43.820
to say, you know, Donald Trump's a narcissist or whatever. And it's, it's as though it's as
00:29:48.700
though it's sort of, that's him and that's what he is. And he always will be, but that's
00:29:52.060
not how it works. People go through phases, um, many people of being mentally ill or unstable
00:30:01.020
or whatever. And they deal with that in various ways. And one way that it can, that they can
00:30:07.100
deal with it is by having, you know, borderline personality, narcissism, something like that.
00:30:13.360
And then eventually as they, as they get older, um, and they, they get more intelligent and their
00:30:17.980
conscientiousness goes up and their neuroticism goes down, which it does. Mental instability
00:30:22.040
goes down with age. Then, then these things can change. And it's true with, uh, fetishes
00:30:29.120
as well. A person can develop a sexual fetish and then, but that can be, and it does become
00:30:34.320
less powerful with age. So it's perfectly possible that they could have, um, a sexual fetish at
00:30:41.460
a certain age in their lives, and then it would weaken considerably later on. And so these are
00:30:47.100
the kind of things that may well be happening with these people. They may well be going through
00:30:50.600
a phase of mental instability resulting in narcissism and a fetish and whatever. And, um, and then
00:30:57.780
as they get older, they, they grow out of it and they're mentally more stable and they're
00:31:04.520
sexually more normal. And then they deeply regret what they've done. Yeah. But, but we can't,
00:31:11.620
and, and, and, and so it strikes me that in a way of responsible society would understand
00:31:16.860
that, um, um, and would, would not allow them, you could argue to, to do this, but, but we,
00:31:25.840
yeah, because I think what is truly disturbing and shocking, I mean, if, if it were only Caitlyn
00:31:33.780
Jenner or if it were only some just, you know, stupid person, I remember the, um, I've been
00:31:40.880
a homebody for 2020, but, um, I, I did do one driving trip and I was driving across the
00:31:46.460
Midwest from Chicago here. And I was actually, I think I was in Wisconsin. I was in some really
00:31:51.820
small kind of podunk town in Wisconsin and I was getting gas, filling up the tank. And
00:31:58.160
I went in to go get a coffee or a bag of chips or something. And, uh, at this small little
00:32:03.740
town where you see a bunch of, you know, bearded, uh, truck drivers and, you know, all these kinds
00:32:09.680
of, you know, real earthy types. And, um, this man came in with his daughter and he was, you
00:32:18.300
know, overweight, didn't look particularly interesting in any way, but he was there with his teenage
00:32:25.460
daughter and he was dressed up basically like a female porn star. You know, he, he, he was
00:32:32.880
wearing just tight, you know, this guy is not in shape yet. He's wearing all this just
00:32:37.300
tight, like hot pink garb or something. And I, I remember I was, I was just walking past
00:32:44.120
him and I, I was at the, uh, the, um, uh, you know, cashier lady and we were just kind
00:32:49.620
of looking at each other and we, we didn't even have to say anything. I was just kind of
00:32:53.960
like, what has happened to this world? How is this even possible? Like I'm in rural
00:32:59.400
Wisconsin and I'm encountering these freaks. Um, you know, I can't you guys just be boring
00:33:07.080
again? I mean, it's just, it was just bizarre. And I, and I think, you know, the, where it's
00:33:12.800
really disturbing, it's in, in that case where he's doing that around his teenage daughter.
00:33:16.720
I mean, if he wants to go get his freak on of the weekend, then whatever, but, uh, he's
00:33:22.640
exposing, you know, malleable minds to this, but I think even worse. Oh, go ahead.
00:33:29.600
I was going to say that there was a study. It's quite an old study now. I haven't seen
00:33:33.140
anything done recently on it, which I came across recently from the seventies, which found
00:33:38.180
that people that are transsexual, of course, this is based on a tiny sample. I mean, this
00:33:42.540
is the seventies, um, are more, are more intelligent. They have elevated intelligence and that, and
00:33:49.240
that also seems to be true of homosexuals, that they have elevated intelligence compared to
00:33:53.320
heterosexuals. And we can speculate on why that might be. And one of the things I, I guess
00:33:58.680
is perhaps the correlation between an intelligence and openness. So you're just more open to bizarre
00:34:03.660
things in a way that you wouldn't otherwise be ideas including, right? Exactly. Um, you,
00:34:09.940
so you're, you're more open to this kind of thing and a more lower in sort of instinctiveness
00:34:14.340
and just instinctive gut reactions. Another thing is people that are intelligent are more,
00:34:18.740
um, thoughtful, I suppose, in some ways. And so therefore that they are in that sense,
00:34:24.420
they think too much. And there is an association between very high intelligence and autism as well.
00:34:30.640
And so then this can make very, very high intelligent people like just the, which is it
00:34:35.020
better to be an unhappy Socrates or a happy pig? You know, you are definitely an unhappy Socrates.
00:34:39.400
And so you might think too much and then you start, what's the point of my life? Who am I? And then
00:34:44.200
you start, Oh, maybe I'm a woman. And I can see how this kind of might've been true with my
00:34:49.480
friend, Alex. This is exactly what was going on. And, um, and I mean, another example, I was on the
00:34:56.600
plane and coming back from America in about 2016. And, uh, it was a very rocky flight. It was very,
00:35:04.200
I was really horrible. I don't like flying at the best of times, but it's horrible. And I was next to
00:35:09.180
this male to female transsexual who was a Canadian, but who was a waitress, uh, wait in, um, um,
00:35:16.080
New York and who looked like a transsexual. I mean, there's no question about it. And I,
00:35:22.780
I, um, noticed she, she, she introduced herself to me as Collie. And then I saw, I saw the, him,
00:35:30.420
her show the passport to the passport or something to this guy. And, and it's a Colin. And so I,
00:35:38.460
after judicial pause, I just said, so when did Colin become Collie?
00:35:41.720
And then, um, this, this person was quite happy to, you know, chat about this very intelligent
00:35:48.460
person and reasonable person, but for some reason she couldn't quite make sense of this
00:35:55.340
felt like the right thing to do at quite a late age.
00:35:59.120
No, but the thing that is disturbing about it, I mean, again, you know, if, if this were just
00:36:06.260
some weird thing or some, you know, isolated individual, it's not a big deal, but, um, particularly
00:36:14.420
where gender reassignment surgery is happening among young people. And you would of course agree
00:36:21.820
as, as a father yourself. I mean, you know, my daughter thought she was a dinosaur for, for a while.
00:36:28.420
I mean, it's inherent to being young that you're asking questions like, who am I? What am I?
00:36:34.920
What does this all mean? You know, kind of thing. You're, you're inherently going through
00:36:38.900
phases of, of alienation and identity changes. You're going through puberty. You don't know what
00:36:44.540
you're feeling. Um, it it's, it's natural. And the fact that a parent would, you know, take some
00:36:52.800
isolated moment that might, that is probably very genuine of questioning who I am or going,
00:36:59.640
going through a weird puberty phase or whatever, and take that moment and then botch their child
00:37:06.700
in a way that is all but irreversible, just seems so shockingly immoral that I, I, it's hard for me
00:37:16.660
to put into words actually how angry it makes me that this is allowed, that this is actually legal,
00:37:24.580
not just legal, but applauded and celebrated. There was a recent case where Joe Biden, our
00:37:29.320
new president was at some LGBT town hall. And there was some just goofy, you know, librarian
00:37:36.360
looking woman who was just grinning, thinking how progressive she is. Oh, look, I've just gender
00:37:41.420
reassigned my son. Uh, it's just, it's, it is truly grotesque and horrifying. And I, I, I, I,
00:37:49.860
I guess maybe my, my question is, is also kind of this, um, you know, I, I don't discount all that
00:37:59.280
you've talked about in terms of core, you know, strong correlations with, um, medical conditions,
00:38:06.220
personality disorders. Uh, but do you think there's maybe even something a little,
00:38:10.840
I guess you could say strategic at play here. Um, you know, it's like the cuckoo will lay
00:38:18.300
its egg in another bird's nest and it will actually insidiously get that bird to raise
00:38:24.160
its young to, you'll get the other bird to engage in parental investment in its young
00:38:28.260
in nature. There are ways of camouflage and trickery and so on that goes on. Um, do you think
00:38:36.020
that, you know, there's an environmental factor, let's say for that woman who went to Joe Biden,
00:38:41.860
she looks like just a tedious, boring woman. And now she feels like a hero because she's part of
00:38:48.740
this new wave. And even for a, say a white male, you know, for a white male, how do you join the
00:38:54.860
diversity gravy train? Well, you, you know, you can become gay, but even becoming gay is now getting
00:39:00.580
old. You know, that that's passe. Now you can kind of be a woman and enter into the world of diversity
00:39:09.380
and shaming other people disagree with you and so on, all of these perks and that there, there,
00:39:18.340
this, there's almost a kind of, for lack of a better word, strategic quality to all this that's
00:39:26.500
happening. Yeah, I think that's probably right. I think so. If you, if what we should make sense
00:39:32.720
of it in terms of is kind of runaway individualism. So throughout history, humans are evolved to be
00:39:40.480
pack animal. And in that sense, they have pack instincts, but they are evolved to ascend to the
00:39:44.960
top of the pack. And in that sense, they have individual, individualizing instincts because
00:39:49.920
it's only in prehistory. It's only if you're at the top of the pack, particularly if you're male,
00:39:53.600
that you get any women. So, so you can see and pass on your genes. So you have, we have these two sets
00:39:58.740
of instincts. And so one of the things that you get under conditions of group selection,
00:40:03.780
when two groups are fighting each other, which has been the case until relatively recently, is
00:40:07.860
you can't become too individualistic because if you become too individualistic,
00:40:12.000
then the group falls apart and can't break the united front. But you also can't become too group
00:40:17.220
oriented because if you become too group oriented, maybe you suppress genius and original ideas and
00:40:21.940
that's no good either. And so you have to have a balance between the two. Now, if you take away group
00:40:27.360
selection, you just get runaway individualism. And so you start off by, let's say, questioning the
00:40:32.640
religious dogmas. And then from there, you question whether God exists. And then from there,
00:40:36.900
you're advocating nihilism or whatever. And you can see how this works with sexuality. It becomes,
00:40:44.080
and there's nothing to stop it. And so at some point, once you start having individualistic ideas,
00:40:50.000
which are anti your own fitness interests, that can perfectly conceivably happen. The individualism
00:40:55.760
instinct doesn't care about fitness. The fitness comes about as a consequence of the relationship
00:41:01.760
between the individualism instinct and other selection pressures. Take away the selection
00:41:06.700
pressures, off it goes. And so it doesn't matter if these people are damaging their own fitness and
00:41:12.120
meaning they can't have children or damaging society's fitness or whatever. What matters is that they're
00:41:15.820
winning in the individualistic battle to be at the top of the hierarchy. That's what matters.
00:41:20.200
And that's your right. And so one way they could do that, if they're men, is by becoming women. Oh,
00:41:27.060
I can't be a successful sports star as a man. Become a woman. Yeah. Or if you're a woman,
00:41:36.300
how can I get in on this? Oh, I'll have a transsexual child. Some people could argue that's a bit like
00:41:42.280
Munchausen syndrome by proxy. You're like, you're like doing this to your child. It's like abuse.
00:41:49.320
And I would agree with that. And also, I would expect women to be particularly messed up in
00:41:54.420
these circumstances because they're evolved to patriarchy and patriarchy is collapsed.
00:41:58.380
So this will mean that they'll make independent decisions, which will be potentially extremely
00:42:02.640
bad and damaging. So yeah, I think you're right that there could be an element to which that,
00:42:09.580
with some people anyway, that that is, that is what is going on, that you, you can, Eddie Izzard,
00:42:14.660
for example, is a comedian in the UK, which is very funny, or used to be funny. And his big thing was,
00:42:20.980
oh, I'm a transvestite, I'm a transvestite. And now, and now he's also rich background,
00:42:27.180
privately educated, whatever, but I'm a transvestite. And now you suddenly decided, oh, he's, you know,
00:42:33.040
he's, he's a she and all this stuff. And it's a way of, of his career is on the downer.
00:42:42.340
No, that's a different person. A Dame Edna ever was just a transvestite.
00:42:46.260
I always found him point, yeah. I point to that character.
00:42:50.640
Yeah, well, that's, no, he's just a, he's just a bloke that likes dressing up in women's clothes.
00:42:55.080
Well, this is, okay, well, finish your point and then I'll add another.
00:42:58.220
No, no, I was just going to say that you, I agree with you that you can see how,
00:43:01.900
I mean, an element of it could therefore become playing for status with a transsexuality.
00:43:06.800
Yeah, yeah, which is, and in playing for status is an evolved behavior if there ever was one.
00:43:13.120
But yeah, I mean, I think this is another thing.
00:43:15.720
I mean, that, I think that was kind of the darker element to that, that, that a, you know,
00:43:20.820
a boring woman will transition her child for attention or status and, and permanently botch
00:43:37.140
And I, I mentioned earlier at the beginning that transvestitism, or if you want to call
00:43:41.720
that transgenderism, has often taken place in the context of camp or theater.
00:43:47.400
I mean, it, you know, and some of the greatest pieces of literature ever written, um, some
00:43:53.860
of the most fully fleshed out female characters like Cleopatra or Rosalind or Ophelia were played
00:44:01.420
And, and, and Shakespeare would kind of sometimes throw in some, you know, uh, self-aware jokes
00:44:06.860
about that, but he, he was depicting a female character.
00:44:10.280
Um, but also, uh, transvestitism is, you know, it's a fetish, but it's also kind of fun.
00:44:16.920
It's, it's part of, you know, Saturday Night Live, one of the great characters, the church
00:44:21.100
lady, uh, whenever, um, I remember being in, in college that we would always do sketches
00:44:29.140
And you would, I, I remember impersonating one of the professors and I put on a wig and
00:44:33.500
did all this kind of funny stuff and everyone was rolling in the aisles.
00:44:39.300
So this was before our great awakening on this subject.
00:44:42.120
I think all of that kind of stuff is probably now impossible.
00:44:45.080
If a man put on a wig and spoken falsetto and did this kind of, you know, mocking impersonation
00:44:52.700
of a woman, I think he might be called out, uh, for misgendering or, or just, you know,
00:44:59.940
cultural appropriation or, or, uh, shaming of the trans community.
00:45:04.620
Uh, it, it does seem in this way that when you, when we create these identities out of
00:45:11.540
things, um, it, it suppresses a lot of culture, um, whether that's, you know, low body culture
00:45:19.960
or whether that's, you know, Shakespeare or whether it's just fun, um, that we, we kind
00:45:25.940
of can't experience these things because of the puritanical suffocating aspect of identity
00:45:40.240
I mean, even I was watching friends the other day with my wife and you keep thinking, oh,
00:45:48.100
It's, it's, it's, that was heavy laden in the sort of left wing proto woke propaganda.
00:45:54.640
But even so they could, they know it was too realistic.
00:45:57.880
It was too much like life is like that men have jokes about gays.
00:46:03.640
Men don't want to go out with ugly women, men, you know, women like life is like that.
00:46:09.540
And what you increasingly, it's a group of friends and they're all white and life in
00:46:18.560
I mean, you'll go in a restaurant and there might be black people and Hispanic people
00:46:22.100
and white people in them, but they'll be at separate tables.
00:46:25.420
Um, and, and, uh, perhaps it's the Asians that will cross over.
00:46:31.200
They're honorary white, but, but it's, it's, it's, yeah.
00:46:34.320
And it's too like life is like, and even though they did these nods to it, like Ross has a
00:46:40.540
girlfriend of pretty much every race while he's in friends and whatever.
00:46:45.780
Um, it's just too realistic and they can't cope with that.
00:46:52.220
They're these neurotic people who they, they can't cope with reality.
00:46:58.980
And they want to be shown this, what they see is this idealized world where wise black
00:47:06.540
judges and, and they want to do all they can to make the world into that.
00:47:10.580
And they don't understand the consequences that will have either.
00:47:13.380
And it's, it's, it's, I, I can't, I don't know how much longer it can spiral for before
00:47:18.960
people, the sense of dysphoria that people feel most people is strong.
00:47:24.860
It's so strong that, that, that, that, that you start to get serious kickback.
00:47:29.540
I don't know how, but it's, it's, uh, I think a lot of, you'll just get increasingly people
00:47:35.580
Well, there is, I mean, there's tons of kickback.
00:47:38.120
We, we have people just, you know, the other week, I think there's tons of kickback, but
00:47:49.020
And I, I think people are tired of the identity politics, the, the transgender stuff that, you
00:47:56.200
know, I mean, again, the, the homosexuality is almost passe at this point.
00:48:00.440
Um, but it can't go anywhere because the, the, the left, if we want to call it that, I'm
00:48:07.140
not, you know, it's bigger than that, but it's, it is on the ascendancy.
00:48:13.940
It is a hegemonic force and you can kind of yell at it and get mad at it or think it's
00:48:20.980
stupid or make fun of it, but you're ultimately going to lose.
00:48:24.380
And you're ultimately, you know, maybe 10 years too late, you're ultimately going to
00:48:32.300
Um, I mean, so much of the Trump, I mean, yeah, the Trump movement, they raided the Capitol.
00:48:38.020
I mean, I have never seen such public displays, public celebrations of gay pride or transsexuality
00:48:48.800
in any political movement than I saw in the Trump 2020 campaign.
00:48:54.380
Uh, they, they got on board, they were five years too late or whatever.
00:48:59.560
And, and of course the left doesn't like it and it thinks it's fake or it's, you know,
00:49:06.520
Uh, but they, you know, there, there can be a backlash, but that backlash is just always
00:49:11.840
going to lose because it doesn't have a, that religious component that the left now has,
00:49:17.980
uh, in the sense that it is, you know, it's, it's not just kind of politically incorrect
00:49:26.020
Uh, you are going to hell symbolically, or maybe even literally in some of their minds.
00:49:31.800
If you question their agenda, they have the power of belief behind them in the way that
00:49:37.340
the right has the power of the knee jerk or the backlash that, that ultimately isn't that
00:49:47.060
So I, I, 20 years ago, you could say, Oh, is political correctness is out of control.
00:49:54.200
It can get to the point where it normalizes and tries to render acceptable pedophilia.
00:50:11.900
And in, in much the same way that 20 years ago or 10 years ago, this whole transsexual
00:50:16.300
thing was considered ludicrous and utterly fringe.
00:50:19.640
That is so now, and that will be their next, that is the next thing that, and they're starting
00:50:25.960
You see it, the, the, the, the exposing children to these, these, and so, um, that I think is,
00:50:36.520
And I think the problem is that, that, uh, Corona has kind of got in the way of their ability
00:50:43.200
So if Corona ever goes away, then they can, cause that's what myself and people were discussing
00:50:48.080
before Corona came along, which was this normalization of child abuse.
00:50:51.480
And that's what I think is the next, because they don't, they, everything is questioned.
00:50:57.240
And one of the things that they have started to question is the divide between, you question
00:51:01.200
the divide between male and female, between black and white, between all of these things
00:51:04.940
that make sense of the world and then, um, and make, uh, make sense of the world in a pot,
00:51:10.080
Well, the next one to do is to question the divide between being an adult and being a child.
00:51:14.540
And to say, and this is start, what, what right have you got to tell the child is, where
00:51:24.580
And, you know, I, I would say that that is the line where it can go, go no further, but
00:51:31.920
I mean, what is worse or more shocking child abuse or gender reassignment?
00:51:39.060
I mean, it's all, I mean, we're already, we're already so far gone that I don't, I don't even
00:51:47.940
I mean, it, I, I'm not sure that would be the limit now there, there has been liberals
00:51:54.120
have kind of done things in their way of, you could say, normalizing child abuse in
00:52:01.960
They, they've certainly, they've already normalized, you know, gender reassignment for children,
00:52:06.060
but they've normalized child abuse in the sense of like, well, let's, let's listen to the
00:52:10.440
pedophile and, you know, try to think about what he means and so on.
00:52:14.400
And, and, and I think there's some good in that.
00:52:17.040
I think you should try to understand something, uh, even if it is horrifying.
00:52:21.260
Um, but yeah, I do agree that that is the next frontier.
00:52:25.280
I mean, that's almost where they have to go inevitably.
00:52:29.860
Um, I, I don't, you know, bestiality, I, I don't know.
00:52:40.920
Well, bestiality is even in that case, I don't think backlash politics will ever solve it
00:52:49.840
I mean, when, when is the backlash of the knee jerk really won out over the power of
00:52:57.340
You have to, what you said about Trump, what you said about Trump, that wasn't a backlash
00:53:17.160
I mean, a serious, really, I mean, that, that was also a scam.
00:53:21.560
I mean, it was this weird, I mean, yeah, but I, I mean to re in it, in it never QAnon,
00:53:28.660
I mean, QAnon was salacious and, and it demonized liberals, but it never really undermined them.
00:53:37.620
QAnon is a liberal religion at the end of the day.
00:53:40.240
It's about, you know, freedom and individualism and so on.
00:53:44.460
It's just a kind of older version of, of liberalism.
00:53:49.740
I mean that it, it, the only way, so it is a backlash.
00:53:53.880
The only way to change it is to attack it at its core.
00:53:58.940
And that means attacking liberalism at its core.
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And on also engaging it with your own hegemonic religious belief.
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That is the only way to defeat these horrible people.