RadixJournal - The Great Transition

00:00:00.000 It's Monday, January 25th, 2021, and welcome back to The Spencer Report.

00:00:07.520 This progress bus doesn't have any brakes.

00:00:11.200 Joining me today is Edward Dutton.

00:00:14.580 On January 20th, history was made.

00:00:17.960 I'm of course referring to President Joe Biden's appointment of Rachel Levine as his assistant health secretary,

00:00:24.140 the first transgendered cabinet member to be confirmed by the Senate,

00:00:28.780 or at least the first one we know of.

00:00:32.560 The appointment was celebrated by the media as the next stage of progress,

00:00:37.080 but few, maybe none, were willing to critically and scientifically examine the origins and nature of transsexuality.

00:00:45.500 Where does it come from? What does it mean?

00:00:48.060 Are transsexuals, as it were, male brains or souls in female bodies? 1.00

00:00:54.120 Or something else entirely? 0.61

00:00:55.720 It's past time that we critically investigate this major trend.

00:01:01.500 Ed, welcome back. How are you?

00:01:04.300 I'm okay, yes. How are you doing?

00:01:06.280 Good. Yes, doing well.

00:01:09.580 Ready to talk about one of the most important issues of our time, I guess.

00:01:16.360 Can't believe I'm saying this.

00:01:17.740 I couldn't imagine saying this five years ago, but now I have to.

00:01:21.620 And that is transsexuality and transsexuality in politics.

00:01:25.760 We have gone through the first black president. 0.57

00:01:29.800 That is now, who cares?

00:01:32.500 We've had our first woman of color who's either Jamaican or Indian, depending on the year.

00:01:38.380 That's already in.

00:01:40.020 No one's even talking about that.

00:01:41.800 I mean, it's old.

00:01:43.800 I mean, it's like wearing...

00:01:48.140 What were those horrible rubber shoes that people wore circa 2004?

00:01:53.600 Crogs or clogs?

00:01:54.860 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:01:55.400 It's like wearing combat trousers.

00:01:57.840 Exactly.

00:01:59.000 Well, yes.

00:02:00.500 Or jorts or something like...

00:02:02.780 It's...

00:02:03.860 No.

00:02:05.200 But now we have what's truly important, which is Rachel Levine has been nominated by Joe Biden

00:02:14.480 to be his assistant health secretary.

00:02:16.960 And so she will be confirmed by the Senate.

00:02:20.340 So this is going to be one to watch, I guess.

00:02:25.000 I'm curious if anyone will push back on her.

00:02:27.780 But I think most of them will be afraid, too.

00:02:31.520 But we have our first transsexual member of the cabinet, major appointment.

00:02:40.140 And I think this demonstrates how far we've come in just around five years.

00:02:46.720 It was around six or seven years ago that gay marriage, at least in the United States,

00:02:53.040 was just settled, basically.

00:02:55.220 And in symbolic fashion, Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, came out, even though it was everyone

00:03:03.240 assumed or knew he was gay.

00:03:05.700 He just came out.

00:03:06.980 And that seemed to just end the gay issue.

00:03:10.280 It had been settled.

00:03:11.800 And a month later, Caitlyn Jenner became a household name.

00:03:16.060 And the transsexual issue came up. 0.75

00:03:18.660 A year later, we're talking about transsexual children.

00:03:22.940 And 2020, we're appointing them to the president's cabinet.

00:03:27.920 Life goes by pretty fast.

00:03:30.580 If you don't stop to look around, you might know something.

00:03:33.880 Life is stunning and brave, isn't it?

00:03:35.180 Life is stunning and brave.

00:03:37.000 That is what the future of America is going to be.

00:03:39.160 It's not just going to be declined into winter.

00:03:41.140 It's going to be a stunning and brave decline.

00:03:43.480 It just keeps getting better.

00:03:45.740 Yeah.

00:03:46.640 I think it's very, very interesting.

00:03:50.540 As you know, I've had a number of personal experiences with transsexuals.

00:03:56.060 And none of them have done particularly well.

00:04:03.780 And there is a very large body of research on the negative psychological dimensions associated

00:04:12.100 with transsexuality. 0.63

00:04:13.820 And increasingly, if you talk about that, even in academia, even in journals with titles

00:04:18.800 like the journal of whatever journals that overtly you would think that they would want

00:04:22.620 to discuss these kinds of things, then you will get at least one of the two peer reviewers

00:04:26.940 saying your research has the potential to marginalize already marginalized people.

00:04:34.220 So what?

00:04:35.260 As if that is therefore an argument that it must be wrong.

00:04:39.620 So you have the sort of fact value conflations, obvious fallacy, which is something I had to

00:04:44.060 go through with an article which I published recently in an academic journal.

00:04:48.920 There was a transsexual researcher who was allowed to write a really scurrilous critique 1.00

00:04:55.700 of it.

00:04:56.380 And at the moment, it seems me and my colleague are not allowed to respond.

00:05:00.160 And it's obvious why we're not allowed to respond, because of the pressure the journal

00:05:03.240 editor is under.

00:05:05.540 He has to allow the queer review as someone, what's the fellow's name, once called it.

00:05:13.700 These days, research on this matter has to go through peer review.

00:05:17.300 And then it had Blanchard, that's his name.

00:05:19.640 Blanchard said it has to go through peer review.

00:05:21.520 And then it has to go through queer review. 0.64

00:05:23.240 And it's quite possible for something to pass peer review, but fail queer review. 0.98

00:05:28.940 Because if you write an article on transsexuality, you'll normally, if you have two reviewers,

00:05:32.780 you'll have one peer reviewer who'll actually be motivated by science.

00:05:35.700 But you may also have a queer reviewer.

00:05:38.000 And that's the hurdle at which it might fall.

00:05:41.720 Because that comes about basically saying that if you, and I had a queer reviewer that

00:05:46.040 said this, that the kind of arguments you are putting about transsexuality are akin to

00:05:51.440 the kind of arguments that people are putting in the 50s about gays.

00:05:55.920 So that's what they're comparing it to, which is no comparison at all.

00:06:00.360 And because the evidence of psychological problems with homosexuals is nothing compared to the 1.00

00:06:09.080 evidence of psychological problems with transsexuals. 0.99

00:06:13.080 There are psychological problems with homosexuals. 1.00

00:06:15.360 Yeah, I mean, abundance. 0.97

00:06:17.000 And I would have thought that the fact that a person was not an early onset transsexual, 1.00

00:06:24.860 because that can be that there's some sort of problem with development or some sort of

00:06:29.140 problem with the brain, so that it really is rather like they are a girl in a boy's body 0.70

00:06:33.460 or vice versa, but with late onset transsexuals. 0.66

00:06:36.940 And that's what we're talking about with Dr.

00:06:39.880 Levine.

00:06:40.420 We're talking about a person who was in their 50s or something like this, 40s, when they

00:06:44.660 transitioned.

00:06:46.980 Then there is evidence of borderline personality disorder, of narcissism, of things like depression,

00:06:57.200 of course.

00:06:57.560 And people might say, oh, well, you know, this is because they're mistreated and they're

00:07:02.080 excluded, and so this makes them react like this.

00:07:05.680 I'm not sure that that's the case with narcissism.

00:07:07.660 But if that were the case, then why is it associated with all manner of physical problems, like

00:07:11.960 congenital death?

00:07:12.580 I'm not sure Rachel Levine was excluded from anything.

00:07:15.940 She attended Harvard and Tulane Medical School, and she was appointed to major faculty appointments

00:07:24.040 at Penn State and things like that.

00:07:25.740 Maybe not in the top elite, but kind of in the surrounding elite.

00:07:34.220 I don't know if that was a concern that it correlates, being a male to female transsexual, a trans

00:07:41.200 woman, correlates with masculinization, physical and mental masculinization, as I showed in 0.93

00:07:47.800 the paper, and all manner of obscure problems, like anorexia, and really obscure sort of physical

00:07:58.460 problems.

00:08:00.420 So, yeah, so it's a peculiar thing.

00:08:04.760 Well, let's back up a little bit, because I think we should make some distinctions before

00:08:13.480 we get into this.

00:08:14.520 I mean, I think a distinction should be made between what we now know as being transgendered

00:08:22.320 and transvestitism and transvestitism of various shades, which have been around since the Stone

00:08:29.600 Age, you could say.

00:08:32.240 Transvestitism is frequently employed in the context of camp, theater, satire, sometimes religious

00:08:42.080 rituals, and so on.

00:08:44.700 It has also been a long-time perversion of certain men who want to put on pantyhose or

00:08:52.520 whatever to get whatever titillation they get from that.

00:08:58.120 It's been around for a long time.

00:09:00.580 It's been a thing, and it's been understood as either theatrics or a perversion or a fetish.

00:09:08.860 And it's been a part of society, but certainly on the margins.

00:09:16.860 What we have now is really fundamentally different, because it is not about, oh, this kind of weirdo.

00:09:28.240 He looks like a boring accountant, but you wouldn't believe what he gets up to on the weekends.

00:09:33.440 He is cross-dressing or doing shows or whatever.

00:09:40.280 It went from that to, this is my identity.

00:09:43.860 This is who I am.

00:09:45.980 I was a woman born into a man's body or a man born into a woman's body or what have you.

00:09:52.680 Now, that has been around.

00:09:54.240 I know there are a few famous cases of transsexual identity, transsexual surgery, gender reassignment.

00:10:05.780 But it was nothing like it is today.

00:10:08.940 It was nothing where we're having these debates on cable news about bullying of trans children

00:10:14.020 and all sorts of things.

00:10:16.020 But I think it's this identity question that is what separates it, because it is now assumed

00:10:25.360 by our talking heads and leaders that you should not understand this in a way as a perversion

00:10:35.420 or as camp.

00:10:36.580 You need to understand this as an identity.

00:10:39.040 It's kind of almost de-sexualized in a way.

00:10:42.420 And I think this is what is new and different and maybe most kind of baffling and important

00:10:50.340 about the phenomenon.

00:10:52.140 I mean, according to Ray Blanchard's research, and he's very much the authority on this,

00:10:57.060 he talks about the transsexual typology.

00:11:01.580 And there are two kinds of transsexuals.

00:11:04.240 So there are those that we would call the homosexual transsexuals. 1.00

00:11:10.200 These are people who are highly feminized. 0.92

00:11:14.860 They are physically feminized. 0.85

00:11:16.860 They are mentally feminized. 0.93

00:11:18.780 If they're men, it's normal. 0.92

00:11:20.380 They like wearing women's clothes. 1.00

00:11:22.780 They show signs of opposite sex behavior very young. 0.78

00:11:27.900 And it would be these kinds of people that are going to be the ones that are, as it were,

00:11:32.860 the convincing transsexuals where they transition. 0.96

00:11:35.260 And also those that would have been transvestites.

00:11:39.240 And they are distinct from what he calls the autogynephilic transsexuals. 0.93

00:11:44.420 And autogynephilic transsexuals, he argues, what we're dealing with is a fetish. 0.69

00:11:49.300 And these are people who are sexually aroused or otherwise profoundly satisfied by the idea 0.98

00:11:54.860 of having a female body. 0.84

00:11:58.200 And this is kind of narcissistic. 0.88

00:12:00.300 They are, in a sense, sexually aroused by an idealized version of themselves.

00:12:07.600 And desiring this body...

00:12:09.580 They're becoming the object of their desire.

00:12:11.600 They're becoming the object of their sexual desire.

00:12:15.080 And they are becoming the object of their sexual desire.

00:12:17.760 Now, these kinds of people, they do not tend to have many indicators.

00:12:22.600 They are not feminine. 0.53

00:12:23.740 They are not effeminate.

00:12:25.320 They are not feminine men.

00:12:27.940 And this only tends to hit in after adolescence.

00:12:31.460 So people that have autogynephilic transsexuality, there is no indication at a young age that they

00:12:38.660 are transvestites or anything like that.

00:12:44.000 And he's estimated to say that that's the majority. 0.99

00:12:46.560 That's about 75% of them are these autogynephilic transsexuals. 1.00

00:12:52.520 And, of course, they are trying to...

00:12:55.940 Alice Dreger has done a very interesting book on this.

00:12:58.380 And he notes that they are trying to suppress discussion of this.

00:13:02.540 And they're trying to sort of say that, oh, no, all transsexuals are just people who are

00:13:06.460 the same as those that are born, thinking they're in the wrong body, but they've just realized

00:13:10.780 it late or something.

00:13:11.800 And that's not the case.

00:13:13.000 Because the correlates, the physical and mental correlates of the two categories are

00:13:18.460 different, are very different.

00:13:20.820 And so those are the two things we have to distinguish between.

00:13:26.280 The heritability, it should be noted.

00:13:27.880 If this was all to do with genetics and things like this, then the heritability would be high.

00:13:33.740 But there are a number of studies that have shown that the heritability is low.

00:13:37.580 So the heritability of transsexuality, of gender dysphoria, is something like 0.3.

00:13:42.300 And so this would imply that it is overwhelmingly things going wrong, starting in the womb, but

00:13:49.920 also just more broadly in development that is causing this.

00:13:53.760 They are not born into the wrong body.

00:13:56.180 There's some sort of problem with their development that brings this about.

00:14:01.480 And the correlates with regard to autoguidophilous transsexuality, I mean, the idea that it's 0.96

00:14:11.240 to do with, they would try and dismiss correlates like depression and stuff like that as, oh,

00:14:17.800 well, it's just to do with them being mistreated.

00:14:19.480 But the correlates of being a trans woman include high cholesterol, high blood pressure, vision

00:14:24.880 problems, deafness, chronic pain, arthritis, digestive problems, lung problems, kidney

00:14:30.320 complaints, diabetes.

00:14:32.840 So it's simply asthma.

00:14:36.280 It's simply in pubic lice is a correlate, by the way.

00:14:40.400 Among trans men, that is to say female to male transsexuals, the correlate might be

00:14:45.740 environmental.

00:14:47.000 Previous.

00:14:47.520 Yeah, I doubt that's genetic.

00:14:48.700 So previous menstrual irregularities, premature or delayed menage, hyperanginism, that is

00:14:55.080 to say they have complications because they have high levels of testosterone.

00:14:58.620 And you have high evidence of high testosterone in both of these groups.

00:15:03.100 They have higher 2D-40 ratios.

00:15:05.500 They are more likely to have autism.

00:15:07.780 They are more likely to have a number of other markers of testosterone.

00:15:11.940 So it's, I mean, the way that it makes sense to Blanchard and to others is that

00:15:18.700 to say that if you are masculinized, then you, one of the correlates of being masculinized

00:15:25.920 is narcissism.

00:15:27.760 One of the correlates, should I say, is autism.

00:15:30.260 Autism does correlate with, not just with transsexuality, but with other mind-body dysphoria, 0.59

00:15:37.760 such as eating disorders, such as anorexia, such as even there's a particular disorder where

00:15:42.400 people like to, they want, they believe they're disabled and they are very satisfied by the

00:15:48.020 idea of chopping bits off themselves or with Munchausen syndrome or these other sort of

00:15:54.460 delusions.

00:15:55.060 And the idea is that if you are autistic, you are high in, very high in systematizing, 0.58

00:16:01.220 you're very low in empathy.

00:16:03.060 And therefore your world doesn't make sense because you make mistakes all the time and

00:16:07.460 you upset people.

00:16:08.700 And so, and also you're easily overstimulated, easily overwhelmed by stimuli.

00:16:13.180 And the result of that is that you don't feel in control of your own life.

00:16:16.920 And so you don't develop a stable sense of self of where you are in the world compared

00:16:23.980 to other, compared to other people.

00:16:25.560 So you don't know who you are.

00:16:27.340 There's the kind of a void.

00:16:29.120 And how do you feel, feel, feel this void?

00:16:32.620 Well, one way that you fill it is by, is, is by getting a clear structured identity that's

00:16:38.700 clear and that's you and it's very black and white.

00:16:41.400 And this is what you find with borderline personality disorder.

00:16:44.180 So they will, they will get a very clear sense of identity and that's it.

00:16:48.100 But ultimately it will be unstable because they will still be nagged by these doubts and

00:16:52.720 whatever.

00:16:53.480 And so frequently it will flip and they'll, they'll have a period of complete chaos and

00:16:57.760 depression and then they'll flip into a very different identity.

00:17:01.780 I think you get things like this when you get people that move from being, you know, far

00:17:05.620 right to far left and vice versa, things like that.

00:17:08.580 And an example of borderline personality disorder where you do this is narcissism.

00:17:14.180 And with narcissism, you deal with the fundamental void by believing that you're perfect and

00:17:19.060 you're wonderful and you're superb and whatever.

00:17:21.220 And that's you, that's it.

00:17:22.160 That's, that's how you cope with it.

00:17:24.100 But of course you entertain secret doubts.

00:17:26.340 And so anyone that highlights those secret doubts by highlighting a flaw in your identity

00:17:30.700 will be the subject of narcissistic rage.

00:17:32.980 And you'll get very, very angry with them and you'll want to sort of destroy them.

00:17:36.160 And indeed, um, Alice Jagger, I think it was, someone called Lawrence, her name was, did

00:17:39.800 an article on narcissistic rage in transsexuals, how it's not good enough with transsexuals 0.98

00:17:45.480 for them to criticize you.

00:17:46.340 They'll, they'll go after your job.

00:17:47.860 They'll bring up your employer and say, do you want to be working?

00:17:49.860 And they'll try and destroy you because that's what you have to do to destroy the person

00:17:53.800 that's questioning your, your identity.

00:17:55.400 And so you can see why, um, these things will kind of come together in narcissism.

00:18:01.160 And the other thing is the autistics tend to be sexually aroused by things, by objects, 1.00

00:18:05.700 uh, you know, breast man or a leg man, whatever, that's more male thing. 0.94

00:18:10.020 And so this is taken to an extreme.

00:18:11.800 So you have narcissism where you are, where, where you, where, Oh, who am I?

00:18:16.620 Who am I?

00:18:16.980 Who am I?

00:18:17.340 Oh, maybe I'm a woman. 0.85

00:18:18.640 That's the first thing that you have. 0.69

00:18:20.760 And secondly, you have, um, the development of a narcissistic sexuality, 0.62

00:18:24.920 where you're aroused as it were by yourself. 0.91

00:18:27.800 So a fetish with the same underpinning, which is autism. 0.86

00:18:31.200 And these two things come together, um, in, uh, in, uh, in, in transsexuality.

00:18:38.260 And then because the process of it, of it, of it occurring is a consequence of sort of

00:18:44.700 high mutational low problems in early development, things like that.

00:18:48.800 Then it correlates with all these other problems like asthma and, and, and deafness and,

00:18:54.320 and whatever.

00:18:55.460 And it also correlates with eating disorders, because in a sense, an eating disorder is

00:18:59.500 a, you know, your world is chaos. 0.89

00:19:00.800 You're autistic. 1.00

00:19:01.320 You need control. 0.57

00:19:02.060 You, you, you take the control by not eating and that's how you control the situation.

00:19:05.860 So it's, it, they parallel.

00:19:07.680 So I think that's what we're dealing with.

00:19:09.140 And so what I would suspect is that a person who is transsexual, um, has very serious, 1.00

00:19:14.200 not, not a person that is a, that is a young transsexual, but a person who is a late onset 0.91

00:19:20.840 transsexual.

00:19:21.660 And the, the, the later the onset, the worse really, um, is a, is a person who's going to 0.73

00:19:27.200 have very serious problems.

00:19:28.660 And, um, I don't know if that's true on the individual basis with the doctor divine, but

00:19:32.800 that's what one would predict.

00:19:34.920 Hmm.

00:19:36.100 What?

00:19:36.300 So a couple of questions, what, what percentage of the population do you think suffers from

00:19:42.480 these kinds of personality disorders that I guess eventuate in transsexual? 1.00

00:19:47.980 Personality disorders.

00:19:48.980 Oh, well, that's, that's very, very hard to say, but I mean, I mean, psychopathic personality,

00:19:52.360 for example, has been put at about 1% and they are, they're on a spectrum, remember?

00:19:58.520 So you've got degrees to which we're all, we could, we, it could be argued that we're all

00:20:04.360 on a spectrum from borderline personality disorder to, to, to the, whatever the opposite of that

00:20:09.520 is.

00:20:10.020 So, so, um, that's hard to say, but it would be a low, and with transsexuals, it's been 1.00

00:20:14.720 estimated that it's about 0.3%, but, um, it's growing, but I think that's a consequence of

00:20:21.040 the fact that it's kind of becoming fashionable.

00:20:23.520 And so, well, I was looking at some statistic, it's still under 1%, but it's, it's like 0.7%

00:20:30.780 among 18 to 35 year olds or something.

00:20:35.160 It's, there, there's clearly a generational thing going on now, whether that's environmental

00:20:40.300 or actually genetic, because we are different, um, every generation.

00:20:45.400 I think it's too, I think it's too quick for it to be, it's too fast and too dramatic a change

00:20:49.940 for it to be, um, genetic.

00:20:51.620 I think it's mainly environmental that we, you, you, you, you just have this, this spiraling,

00:20:56.900 um, individualism where you, where you question everything and things that are previously,

00:21:01.900 uh, but completely unacceptable are now acceptable.

00:21:05.240 Um, I mean, gender dysphoria, there was one study which found that 57% of people, uh, who,

00:21:10.060 who have gender dysphoria fit the criteria for narcissistic personality disorder and 81%

00:21:15.120 have some kind of personality disorder, normally borderline personality disorder.

00:21:19.000 So, so that, that's, that's how prevalent it is.

00:21:22.680 Um, only 20% of them don't have a personality disorder.

00:21:26.020 Um, and so, so yeah, I think it's, it, it is growing because it's, it's more acceptable

00:21:31.820 and it's, it's, it's a way of playing for status.

00:21:34.980 Um, it may be a way of making sense of a sort of a gay phase, um, particularly with this sudden 1.00

00:21:41.460 onset, uh, gender dysphoria, which there was a paper on by someone called Littman a few

00:21:46.260 years ago, which was very controversial. And that seems to be mainly among teenage girls.

00:21:51.720 And so it's almost like teenage girls are going through because remember sexuality in

00:21:56.460 girls is only 0.2 to do with genetics. So it's overwhelming to do with environment and

00:22:01.220 in England and whatever, they have these all girls schools. And so they go through, you 1.00

00:22:05.380 know, they have the little sort of lesbian issues feelings, which in the past they would 1.00

00:22:09.480 have just, it would be a phase. You don't talk about it. It's totally unacceptable and you

00:22:12.980 get over it and that's that. And now of course they're encouraged to act upon

00:22:16.080 them, but no, no, it's not even homosexual. It could be what, maybe I'm actually a man

00:22:19.580 and there've been instances of, of, of entire girl friendship groups. So in days of old

00:22:26.520 would just be anorexic. Um, in the nineties, it's the, yeah, the nineties, but now in the

00:22:33.060 2000s, they're anorexia is it's like wearing combat trousers or whatever. I mean, it's just

00:22:39.260 so no one's anorexic anymore. Get with the modern day, get into the 21st century. And it

00:22:44.520 seems that the, and, um, it seemed, uh, it seems that the same people, uh, who would

00:22:49.860 have been, uh, who was it? Uh, the, the, the, someone, someone mentioned this. I've got

00:22:53.760 is it drunk a bit blank on his name. Steve Saylor, uh, I mentioned this actually in one of his

00:22:58.340 articles. It's the same people that used to be anorexic that are now, uh, that are now

00:23:03.420 and they go through a phase. And then of course the problem is that they're now encouraged because

00:23:07.500 it's an identity to act on it, to mutilate their bodies. And, um, if we were under normal

00:23:13.920 environment, normal conditions, then that wouldn't happen. It's terribly, terribly sad. As you know,

00:23:18.400 I have a personal experience of it. I have a good, I had a good, had a good friend, uh,

00:23:23.080 when I was at university who was, uh, eventually a male to female transsexual. And, um, he fitted

00:23:29.840 the stereotype very clearly. Uh, he was clearly autistic. He, I've done a couple of videos on him

00:23:36.120 actually, a guy called Alex Waddle. And, uh, he, he, um, fascinating guy. He, he dealt with

00:23:41.740 everything as though it was a philosophical proposition. So you'd say, Alex, you want to

00:23:45.660 come to the bar? You want to come to the pub? You want to come to the student bar? Um, so, um,

00:23:49.240 when you say you're going to go to the student bar, are you going to go there just to hang

00:23:52.600 out or are we going to have a drink? We're going to have a drink, Alex. We're going to have

00:23:55.480 a drink at the student bar. Um, so when you say a drink, are you saying just like one drink

00:24:00.000 or are we going to have many drinks? We're going to have a lot of drinks. We're going to go to the

00:24:02.740 park. I'm going to get drunk, Alex. Um, right. The thing is, I haven't got to, and it would

00:24:07.820 just go on like this. And he was very, very clever in classes and he achieved some very

00:24:11.980 interesting things. He was president of the philosophy society. And then suddenly when

00:24:14.960 he was about 21, he just suddenly decided he wanted to be a woman. And, and, uh, it went

00:24:22.520 downhill from there. Um, and it was, it was just, and he ended up dead, then up dead, but

00:24:28.540 he had all these terrible physical conditions. And when I looked into, when I looked into

00:24:32.440 it later and I've been researching it, those conditions, uh, do actually correlate with

00:24:37.420 subsequently becoming a transsexual. Transsexuality correlates with those precise, with those 0.94

00:24:42.720 precise conditions that he had, these obscure, uh, disorders, uh, which meant he had constant

00:24:47.820 back pain and, and, uh, and whatever. Um, but yeah, he, he, um, he really finished at

00:24:55.180 university. He went away for a while and then he went to Brighton University of Sussex

00:24:59.980 to a master's degree in philosophy and politics, uh, transitioned into being a woman. And then 1.00

00:25:05.220 I don't know the details, but by 2009, he was working as a prostitute in, in Brighton, uh,

00:25:11.540 which is a known like the gay capital of England basically. And, and he was working from home

00:25:17.380 and he kept thousands and thousands of pounds in his, in, in, in, in his, in his flat in 0.84

00:25:21.980 Brighton and from his money working as a prostitute. Cause he was a very good looking, 0.58

00:25:26.300 um, successful male to female transsexual, I should say. I mean, on occasions after he 0.99

00:25:31.640 had declared that he wanted to be a woman, um, I, I would be walking through Durham and

00:25:35.760 I would see this pretty blonde, tall girl over the road at a distance smiling at me. 0.91

00:25:41.120 I'm like, what's this? God, I'm in luck to, oh God, it's Alex. Um, and, and, um, and,

00:25:47.320 and, and decided that he wanted to be called Dreher and Alexandria, I suppose. And, and

00:25:53.220 all this. And then, and then eventually, yeah, he was one day, he very naively, he had no

00:25:59.300 pimp or anything. And he took the, I always think of him as he took the clients back to

00:26:03.200 his home. And I can, it seems, we're not a hundred percent sure, but it seems what happened

00:26:08.300 was there was a sky television fitter called Neil Millen or something, Neil Millen or something.

00:26:13.260 And, uh, and he said, he must've said to him something like your breasts are very 0.99

00:26:16.920 pertal, you know, very, very nice breasts. And Alex would say, well, yes, they would

00:26:20.300 be very nice because I was born a man. So the fakes, obviously they're going to look

00:26:23.860 very good. It's something like that. And so of course this guy went absolutely mad

00:26:29.020 and strangled him and then set fire to the flower. Awful. Um, and, uh, it, I, I think

00:26:37.000 it's terrible in a way for society, because I think in normal times society wouldn't

00:26:42.440 have let him do these destructive things and society would have looked after him and

00:26:48.420 would have sort of, which is what he needed. He needed someone to look after him so he

00:26:53.240 could do philosophy. That's what he needed. But no, no, society let him go off on his

00:26:58.260 own and mess up his life. 0.69

00:26:59.980 Um, in terms of the sexual attraction of transsexuals, um, I, I noted that with Caitlyn

00:27:11.480 Jenner, who is, you know, the world's most famous transsexual, um, she or he, um, is dating 0.95

00:27:21.320 another male to female transsexual. And so it's in this kind of weird way, uh, you know, 1.00

00:27:31.520 Caitlyn Jenner is still attracted to women. Um, but is that, is, is, is, what, is that

00:27:38.460 a typical relationship? I mean, what?

00:27:40.760 Yeah. Yeah. We looked at, we looked at, we looked at the data on that in the paper that

00:27:44.280 we did and that, that is the case. So these, these relations, when they transition into

00:27:48.940 being women, overtly women, they are disproportionately lesbians, like way above the percentage of what

00:27:57.180 would be lesbians among women. So, yeah. So, and that would be consistent with the evidence

00:28:03.260 that, um, they are high in masculine traits. Cause what, if you're a homosexual, if you're 0.98

00:28:08.980 attracted to the opposite sex, then, then that's, that is associated with being feminized.

00:28:13.820 People that are high in being masculinized tend to be attracted to the opposite sex. And that's

00:28:18.480 yet another marker, which is consistent with this mob. They, they do tend to be, in fact,

00:28:23.400 I know a transsexual, um, uh, uh, another one, uh, male to female transsexual. And, um, I, I met 0.68

00:28:31.020 her as a woman and she looks like a woman. So I always call her she, but she, and she once 0.85

00:28:36.120 said to me that she was, she has a girlfriend and, um, and she was, um, having sex with this 0.97

00:28:41.880 girlfriend. And she said to me that she just kept thinking to God, I wish I still had my 0.89

00:28:46.080 dick. Um, well, I think we, I think we can go into this area as well, because I, I am 0.99

00:28:53.600 hearing more and more stories about gender transition regret that ha that, that of course, you know,

00:29:02.480 if you go through a phase in high school, you know, and you haven't botched your body, then

00:29:09.100 you can be okay. But there's serious regrets among people after going through a, you know,

00:29:17.480 surgery, uh, a major genital mutilation surgery. And it just sounds extremely tragic. Uh, listening

00:29:26.100 to these people, they've made it, they've made a decision that they can't reverse. I

00:29:29.440 mean, it's, it's, it's infinitely worse than getting a bad tattoo. You could say it strikes

00:29:34.820 me. Yeah. It's true. It strikes me that you can think about narcissism and borderline personality

00:29:39.480 and whatever. And we think, we think about it in a black and white way. So people like

00:29:43.820 to say, you know, Donald Trump's a narcissist or whatever. And it's, it's as though it's as

00:29:48.700 though it's sort of, that's him and that's what he is. And he always will be, but that's

00:29:52.060 not how it works. People go through phases, um, many people of being mentally ill or unstable

00:30:01.020 or whatever. And they deal with that in various ways. And one way that it can, that they can

00:30:07.100 deal with it is by having, you know, borderline personality, narcissism, something like that.

00:30:13.360 And then eventually as they, as they get older, um, and they, they get more intelligent and their

00:30:17.980 conscientiousness goes up and their neuroticism goes down, which it does. Mental instability

00:30:22.040 goes down with age. Then, then these things can change. And it's true with, uh, fetishes

00:30:29.120 as well. A person can develop a sexual fetish and then, but that can be, and it does become

00:30:34.320 less powerful with age. So it's perfectly possible that they could have, um, a sexual fetish at

00:30:41.460 a certain age in their lives, and then it would weaken considerably later on. And so these are

00:30:47.100 the kind of things that may well be happening with these people. They may well be going through

00:30:50.600 a phase of mental instability resulting in narcissism and a fetish and whatever. And, um, and then

00:30:57.780 as they get older, they, they grow out of it and they're mentally more stable and they're

00:31:04.520 sexually more normal. And then they deeply regret what they've done. Yeah. But, but we can't,

00:31:11.620 and, and, and, and so it strikes me that in a way of responsible society would understand

00:31:16.860 that, um, um, and would, would not allow them, you could argue to, to do this, but, but we,

00:31:25.840 yeah, because I think what is truly disturbing and shocking, I mean, if, if it were only Caitlyn 0.92

00:31:33.780 Jenner or if it were only some just, you know, stupid person, I remember the, um, I've been 0.94

00:31:40.880 a homebody for 2020, but, um, I, I did do one driving trip and I was driving across the 0.99

00:31:46.460 Midwest from Chicago here. And I was actually, I think I was in Wisconsin. I was in some really

00:31:51.820 small kind of podunk town in Wisconsin and I was getting gas, filling up the tank. And

00:31:58.160 I went in to go get a coffee or a bag of chips or something. And, uh, at this small little

00:32:03.740 town where you see a bunch of, you know, bearded, uh, truck drivers and, you know, all these kinds

00:32:09.680 of, you know, real earthy types. And, um, this man came in with his daughter and he was, you

00:32:18.300 know, overweight, didn't look particularly interesting in any way, but he was there with his teenage 0.84

00:32:25.460 daughter and he was dressed up basically like a female porn star. You know, he, he, he was 0.80

00:32:32.880 wearing just tight, you know, this guy is not in shape yet. He's wearing all this just

00:32:37.300 tight, like hot pink garb or something. And I, I remember I was, I was just walking past

00:32:44.120 him and I, I was at the, uh, the, um, uh, you know, cashier lady and we were just kind

00:32:49.620 of looking at each other and we, we didn't even have to say anything. I was just kind of

00:32:53.960 like, what has happened to this world? How is this even possible? Like I'm in rural

00:32:59.400 Wisconsin and I'm encountering these freaks. Um, you know, I can't you guys just be boring

00:33:07.080 again? I mean, it's just, it was just bizarre. And I, and I think, you know, the, where it's

00:33:12.800 really disturbing, it's in, in that case where he's doing that around his teenage daughter.

00:33:16.720 I mean, if he wants to go get his freak on of the weekend, then whatever, but, uh, he's

00:33:22.640 exposing, you know, malleable minds to this, but I think even worse. Oh, go ahead.

00:33:29.600 I was going to say that there was a study. It's quite an old study now. I haven't seen

00:33:33.140 anything done recently on it, which I came across recently from the seventies, which found

00:33:38.180 that people that are transsexual, of course, this is based on a tiny sample. I mean, this 1.00

00:33:42.540 is the seventies, um, are more, are more intelligent. They have elevated intelligence and that, and

00:33:49.240 that also seems to be true of homosexuals, that they have elevated intelligence compared to 0.99

00:33:53.320 heterosexuals. And we can speculate on why that might be. And one of the things I, I guess

00:33:58.680 is perhaps the correlation between an intelligence and openness. So you're just more open to bizarre

00:34:03.660 things in a way that you wouldn't otherwise be ideas including, right? Exactly. Um, you,

00:34:09.940 so you're, you're more open to this kind of thing and a more lower in sort of instinctiveness

00:34:14.340 and just instinctive gut reactions. Another thing is people that are intelligent are more,

00:34:18.740 um, thoughtful, I suppose, in some ways. And so therefore that they are in that sense,

00:34:24.420 they think too much. And there is an association between very high intelligence and autism as well.

00:34:30.640 And so then this can make very, very high intelligent people like just the, which is it

00:34:35.020 better to be an unhappy Socrates or a happy pig? You know, you are definitely an unhappy Socrates. 0.89

00:34:39.400 And so you might think too much and then you start, what's the point of my life? Who am I? And then

00:34:44.200 you start, Oh, maybe I'm a woman. And I can see how this kind of might've been true with my 0.99

00:34:49.480 friend, Alex. This is exactly what was going on. And, um, and I mean, another example, I was on the

00:34:56.600 plane and coming back from America in about 2016. And, uh, it was a very rocky flight. It was very,

00:35:04.200 I was really horrible. I don't like flying at the best of times, but it's horrible. And I was next to

00:35:09.180 this male to female transsexual who was a Canadian, but who was a waitress, uh, wait in, um, um, 0.86

00:35:16.080 New York and who looked like a transsexual. I mean, there's no question about it. And I, 1.00

00:35:22.780 I, um, noticed she, she, she introduced herself to me as Collie. And then I saw, I saw the, him,

00:35:30.420 her show the passport to the passport or something to this guy. And, and it's a Colin. And so I,

00:35:38.460 after judicial pause, I just said, so when did Colin become Collie?

00:35:41.720 And then, um, this, this person was quite happy to, you know, chat about this very intelligent

00:35:48.460 person and reasonable person, but for some reason she couldn't quite make sense of this

00:35:55.340 felt like the right thing to do at quite a late age.

00:35:59.120 No, but the thing that is disturbing about it, I mean, again, you know, if, if this were just

00:36:06.260 some weird thing or some, you know, isolated individual, it's not a big deal, but, um, particularly

00:36:14.420 where gender reassignment surgery is happening among young people. And you would of course agree 0.99

00:36:21.820 as, as a father yourself. I mean, you know, my daughter thought she was a dinosaur for, for a while.

00:36:28.420 I mean, it's inherent to being young that you're asking questions like, who am I? What am I?

00:36:34.920 What does this all mean? You know, kind of thing. You're, you're inherently going through

00:36:38.900 phases of, of alienation and identity changes. You're going through puberty. You don't know what

00:36:44.540 you're feeling. Um, it it's, it's natural. And the fact that a parent would, you know, take some

00:36:52.800 isolated moment that might, that is probably very genuine of questioning who I am or going,

00:36:59.640 going through a weird puberty phase or whatever, and take that moment and then botch their child

00:37:06.700 in a way that is all but irreversible, just seems so shockingly immoral that I, I, it's hard for me

00:37:16.660 to put into words actually how angry it makes me that this is allowed, that this is actually legal,

00:37:24.580 not just legal, but applauded and celebrated. There was a recent case where Joe Biden, our

00:37:29.320 new president was at some LGBT town hall. And there was some just goofy, you know, librarian 1.00

00:37:36.360 looking woman who was just grinning, thinking how progressive she is. Oh, look, I've just gender 0.92

00:37:41.420 reassigned my son. Uh, it's just, it's, it is truly grotesque and horrifying. And I, I, I, I,

00:37:49.860 I guess maybe my, my question is, is also kind of this, um, you know, I, I don't discount all that

00:37:59.280 you've talked about in terms of core, you know, strong correlations with, um, medical conditions,

00:38:06.220 personality disorders. Uh, but do you think there's maybe even something a little,

00:38:10.840 I guess you could say strategic at play here. Um, you know, it's like the cuckoo will lay

00:38:18.300 its egg in another bird's nest and it will actually insidiously get that bird to raise

00:38:24.160 its young to, you'll get the other bird to engage in parental investment in its young

00:38:28.260 in nature. There are ways of camouflage and trickery and so on that goes on. Um, do you think

00:38:36.020 that, you know, there's an environmental factor, let's say for that woman who went to Joe Biden, 0.89

00:38:41.860 she looks like just a tedious, boring woman. And now she feels like a hero because she's part of 0.98

00:38:48.740 this new wave. And even for a, say a white male, you know, for a white male, how do you join the

00:38:54.860 diversity gravy train? Well, you, you know, you can become gay, but even becoming gay is now getting 0.93

00:39:00.580 old. You know, that that's passe. Now you can kind of be a woman and enter into the world of diversity 0.85

00:39:09.380 and shaming other people disagree with you and so on, all of these perks and that there, there,

00:39:18.340 this, there's almost a kind of, for lack of a better word, strategic quality to all this that's

00:39:26.500 happening. Yeah, I think that's probably right. I think so. If you, if what we should make sense

00:39:32.720 of it in terms of is kind of runaway individualism. So throughout history, humans are evolved to be

00:39:40.480 pack animal. And in that sense, they have pack instincts, but they are evolved to ascend to the

00:39:44.960 top of the pack. And in that sense, they have individual, individualizing instincts because

00:39:49.920 it's only in prehistory. It's only if you're at the top of the pack, particularly if you're male,

00:39:53.600 that you get any women. So, so you can see and pass on your genes. So you have, we have these two sets 1.00

00:39:58.740 of instincts. And so one of the things that you get under conditions of group selection,

00:40:03.780 when two groups are fighting each other, which has been the case until relatively recently, is

00:40:07.860 you can't become too individualistic because if you become too individualistic,

00:40:12.000 then the group falls apart and can't break the united front. But you also can't become too group

00:40:17.220 oriented because if you become too group oriented, maybe you suppress genius and original ideas and

00:40:21.940 that's no good either. And so you have to have a balance between the two. Now, if you take away group

00:40:27.360 selection, you just get runaway individualism. And so you start off by, let's say, questioning the

00:40:32.640 religious dogmas. And then from there, you question whether God exists. And then from there,

00:40:36.900 you're advocating nihilism or whatever. And you can see how this works with sexuality. It becomes,

00:40:44.080 and there's nothing to stop it. And so at some point, once you start having individualistic ideas,

00:40:50.000 which are anti your own fitness interests, that can perfectly conceivably happen. The individualism

00:40:55.760 instinct doesn't care about fitness. The fitness comes about as a consequence of the relationship

00:41:01.760 between the individualism instinct and other selection pressures. Take away the selection

00:41:06.700 pressures, off it goes. And so it doesn't matter if these people are damaging their own fitness and

00:41:12.120 meaning they can't have children or damaging society's fitness or whatever. What matters is that they're

00:41:15.820 winning in the individualistic battle to be at the top of the hierarchy. That's what matters.

00:41:20.200 And that's your right. And so one way they could do that, if they're men, is by becoming women. Oh,

00:41:27.060 I can't be a successful sports star as a man. Become a woman. Yeah. Or if you're a woman, 1.00

00:41:36.300 how can I get in on this? Oh, I'll have a transsexual child. Some people could argue that's a bit like 0.95

00:41:42.280 Munchausen syndrome by proxy. You're like, you're like doing this to your child. It's like abuse.

00:41:48.440 Yeah.

00:41:49.320 And I would agree with that. And also, I would expect women to be particularly messed up in 1.00

00:41:54.420 these circumstances because they're evolved to patriarchy and patriarchy is collapsed.

00:41:58.380 So this will mean that they'll make independent decisions, which will be potentially extremely

00:42:02.640 bad and damaging. So yeah, I think you're right that there could be an element to which that,

00:42:09.580 with some people anyway, that that is, that is what is going on, that you, you can, Eddie Izzard,

00:42:14.660 for example, is a comedian in the UK, which is very funny, or used to be funny. And his big thing was,

00:42:20.980 oh, I'm a transvestite, I'm a transvestite. And now, and now he's also rich background,

00:42:27.180 privately educated, whatever, but I'm a transvestite. And now you suddenly decided, oh, he's, you know,

00:42:33.040 he's, he's a she and all this stuff. And it's a way of, of his career is on the downer. 0.98

00:42:40.340 Is he a Dame Edna?

00:42:42.340 No, that's a different person. A Dame Edna ever was just a transvestite. 1.00

00:42:45.300 That's just a, just a transvestite. 1.00

00:42:46.260 I always found him point, yeah. I point to that character. 0.72

00:42:50.640 Yeah, well, that's, no, he's just a, he's just a bloke that likes dressing up in women's clothes. 0.77

00:42:53.840 He's just, yeah.

00:42:55.080 Well, this is, okay, well, finish your point and then I'll add another.

00:42:58.220 No, no, I was just going to say that you, I agree with you that you can see how,

00:43:01.900 I mean, an element of it could therefore become playing for status with a transsexuality. 0.67

00:43:06.800 Yeah, yeah, which is, and in playing for status is an evolved behavior if there ever was one.

00:43:13.120 But yeah, I mean, I think this is another thing.

00:43:15.720 I mean, that, I think that was kind of the darker element to that, that, that a, you know,

00:43:20.820 a boring woman will transition her child for attention or status and, and permanently botch 1.00

00:43:29.640 him or her.

00:43:30.380 It is truly sad.

00:43:31.980 I think there's a kind of lighter element.

00:43:33.940 I mean, I mentioned Dame Edna or so on.

00:43:37.140 And I, I mentioned earlier at the beginning that transvestitism, or if you want to call

00:43:41.720 that transgenderism, has often taken place in the context of camp or theater.

00:43:47.400 I mean, it, you know, and some of the greatest pieces of literature ever written, um, some

00:43:53.860 of the most fully fleshed out female characters like Cleopatra or Rosalind or Ophelia were played

00:44:00.060 by men in the Globe Theater.

00:44:01.420 And, and, and Shakespeare would kind of sometimes throw in some, you know, uh, self-aware jokes

00:44:06.860 about that, but he, he was depicting a female character.

00:44:10.280 Um, but also, uh, transvestitism is, you know, it's a fetish, but it's also kind of fun.

00:44:16.920 It's, it's part of, you know, Saturday Night Live, one of the great characters, the church

00:44:21.100 lady, uh, whenever, um, I remember being in, in college that we would always do sketches

00:44:27.100 or something.

00:44:27.820 I did this in graduate school as well.

00:44:29.140 And you would, I, I remember impersonating one of the professors and I put on a wig and

00:44:33.500 did all this kind of funny stuff and everyone was rolling in the aisles.

00:44:36.360 This was, um, 2003.

00:44:39.300 So this was before our great awakening on this subject.

00:44:42.120 I think all of that kind of stuff is probably now impossible.

00:44:45.080 If a man put on a wig and spoken falsetto and did this kind of, you know, mocking impersonation

00:44:52.700 of a woman, I think he might be called out, uh, for misgendering or, or just, you know,

00:44:59.940 cultural appropriation or, or, uh, shaming of the trans community.

00:45:04.620 Uh, it, it does seem in this way that when you, when we create these identities out of

00:45:11.540 things, um, it, it suppresses a lot of culture, um, whether that's, you know, low body culture

00:45:19.960 or whether that's, you know, Shakespeare or whether it's just fun, um, that we, we kind

00:45:25.940 of can't experience these things because of the puritanical suffocating aspect of identity

00:45:34.120 politics.

00:45:36.040 Um, yes, that's, that's a fair summary.

00:45:39.040 I mean, so much comedy.

00:45:40.240 I mean, even I was watching friends the other day with my wife and you keep thinking, oh,

00:45:44.520 they wouldn't do that now.

00:45:45.440 They wouldn't do that now.

00:45:46.440 They wouldn't.

00:45:46.940 It's, it's too real.

00:45:48.100 It's, it's, it's, that was heavy laden in the sort of left wing proto woke propaganda.

00:45:54.640 But even so they could, they know it was too realistic.

00:45:57.880 It was too much like life is like that men have jokes about gays.

00:46:02.940 Yeah. 0.99

00:46:03.640 Men don't want to go out with ugly women, men, you know, women like life is like that. 1.00

00:46:09.540 And what you increasingly, it's a group of friends and they're all white and life in 0.99

00:46:15.020 New York.

00:46:15.820 I've been there many times.

00:46:17.100 It's definitely like that.

00:46:18.560 I mean, you'll go in a restaurant and there might be black people and Hispanic people

00:46:22.100 and white people in them, but they'll be at separate tables.

00:46:24.900 Yeah.

00:46:25.420 Um, and, and, uh, perhaps it's the Asians that will cross over. 0.87

00:46:29.900 They'll be at the white table.

00:46:31.200 They're honorary white, but, but it's, it's, it's, yeah. 0.70

00:46:34.320 And it's too like life is like, and even though they did these nods to it, like Ross has a

00:46:40.540 girlfriend of pretty much every race while he's in friends and whatever.

00:46:45.780 Um, it's just too realistic and they can't cope with that.

00:46:49.380 They can't cope with reality, reality.

00:46:52.220 They're these neurotic people who they, they can't cope with reality. 0.95

00:46:56.320 Reality is horrible. 0.97

00:46:57.300 Experience reality is horrible. 0.95

00:46:58.980 And they want to be shown this, what they see is this idealized world where wise black 0.76

00:47:06.540 judges and, and they want to do all they can to make the world into that.

00:47:10.580 And they don't understand the consequences that will have either.

00:47:13.380 And it's, it's, it's, I, I can't, I don't know how much longer it can spiral for before

00:47:18.960 people, the sense of dysphoria that people feel most people is strong.

00:47:24.860 It's so strong that, that, that, that, that you start to get serious kickback.

00:47:29.540 I don't know how, but it's, it's, uh, I think a lot of, you'll just get increasingly people

00:47:33.700 being very, very angry.

00:47:35.580 Well, there is, I mean, there's tons of kickback.

00:47:38.120 We, we have people just, you know, the other week, I think there's tons of kickback, but

00:47:45.060 it kind of doesn't go anywhere.

00:47:46.920 It's always a losing argument.

00:47:49.020 And I, I think people are tired of the identity politics, the, the transgender stuff that, you 1.00

00:47:56.200 know, I mean, again, the, the homosexuality is almost passe at this point. 0.65

00:48:00.440 Um, but it can't go anywhere because the, the, the left, if we want to call it that, I'm

00:48:07.140 not, you know, it's bigger than that, but it's, it is on the ascendancy.

00:48:11.100 It is creating a religion of itself.

00:48:13.940 It is a hegemonic force and you can kind of yell at it and get mad at it or think it's 0.99

00:48:20.980 stupid or make fun of it, but you're ultimately going to lose. 0.92

00:48:24.380 And you're ultimately, you know, maybe 10 years too late, you're ultimately going to 1.00

00:48:28.780 be in line with its dictates.

00:48:32.300 Um, I mean, so much of the Trump, I mean, yeah, the Trump movement, they raided the Capitol.

00:48:37.340 They went mad. 0.87

00:48:38.020 I mean, I have never seen such public displays, public celebrations of gay pride or transsexuality

00:48:48.800 in any political movement than I saw in the Trump 2020 campaign.

00:48:53.060 It's just a fact.

00:48:54.380 Uh, they, they got on board, they were five years too late or whatever.

00:48:59.560 And, and of course the left doesn't like it and it thinks it's fake or it's, you know,

00:49:03.980 um, strategic or whatever.

00:49:06.520 Uh, but they, you know, there, there can be a backlash, but that backlash is just always

00:49:11.840 going to lose because it doesn't have a, that religious component that the left now has,

00:49:17.980 uh, in the sense that it is, you know, it's, it's not just kind of politically incorrect

00:49:23.460 or whatever it is immoral.

00:49:26.020 Uh, you are going to hell symbolically, or maybe even literally in some of their minds.

00:49:31.800 If you question their agenda, they have the power of belief behind them in the way that

00:49:37.340 the right has the power of the knee jerk or the backlash that, that ultimately isn't that

00:49:43.800 powerful.

00:49:44.300 It ultimately comes to heal.

00:49:47.060 So I, I, 20 years ago, you could say, Oh, is political correctness is out of control.

00:49:52.480 It can't get any worse.

00:49:54.200 It can get to the point where it normalizes and tries to render acceptable pedophilia.

00:50:04.860 That might be the point.

00:50:07.300 That might be the next thing.

00:50:09.920 And there are people pushing for that.

00:50:11.900 And in, in much the same way that 20 years ago or 10 years ago, this whole transsexual 1.00

00:50:16.300 thing was considered ludicrous and utterly fringe. 0.74

00:50:19.640 That is so now, and that will be their next, that is the next thing that, and they're starting

00:50:25.760 it.

00:50:25.960 You see it, the, the, the, the exposing children to these, these, and so, um, that I think is,

00:50:34.920 is, is surely the next thing.

00:50:36.520 And I think the problem is that, that, uh, Corona has kind of got in the way of their ability

00:50:40.800 to do that.

00:50:41.520 We've got other concerns.

00:50:43.200 So if Corona ever goes away, then they can, cause that's what myself and people were discussing

00:50:48.080 before Corona came along, which was this normalization of child abuse.

00:50:51.480 And that's what I think is the next, because they don't, they, everything is questioned.

00:50:54.800 You question everything.

00:50:56.020 You create dysphoria. 0.93

00:50:57.240 And one of the things that they have started to question is the divide between, you question

00:51:01.200 the divide between male and female, between black and white, between all of these things

00:51:04.940 that make sense of the world and then, um, and make, uh, make sense of the world in a pot,

00:51:08.900 in a, in a useful way.

00:51:10.080 Well, the next one to do is to question the divide between being an adult and being a child.

00:51:14.440 Right.

00:51:14.540 And to say, and this is start, what, what right have you got to tell the child is, where

00:51:19.360 do you draw the line between adult and child?

00:51:21.040 What do you mean by child?

00:51:22.220 It's a social construct.

00:51:24.580 And, you know, I, I would say that that is the line where it can go, go no further, but

00:51:31.300 I don't know.

00:51:31.920 I mean, what is worse or more shocking child abuse or gender reassignment? 1.00

00:51:39.060 I mean, it's all, I mean, we're already, we're already so far gone that I don't, I don't even

00:51:47.520 know.

00:51:47.940 I mean, it, I, I'm not sure that would be the limit now there, there has been liberals

00:51:54.120 have kind of done things in their way of, you could say, normalizing child abuse in

00:52:01.320 this way.

00:52:01.960 They, they've certainly, they've already normalized, you know, gender reassignment for children,

00:52:06.060 but they've normalized child abuse in the sense of like, well, let's, let's listen to the

00:52:10.440 pedophile and, you know, try to think about what he means and so on.

00:52:14.400 And, and, and I think there's some good in that.

00:52:17.040 I think you should try to understand something, uh, even if it is horrifying.

00:52:21.260 Um, but yeah, I do agree that that is the next frontier.

00:52:25.280 I mean, that's almost where they have to go inevitably.

00:52:29.860 Um, I, I don't, you know, bestiality, I, I don't know.

00:52:34.840 Um, but yeah, interesting times.

00:52:40.920 Well, bestiality is even in that case, I don't think backlash politics will ever solve it

00:52:46.920 because again, it's, it's just a backlash.

00:52:49.840 I mean, when, when is the backlash of the knee jerk really won out over the power of

00:52:54.580 hegemonic religious belief?

00:52:57.340 You have to, what you said about Trump, what you said about Trump, that wasn't a backlash

00:53:04.540 with a lot of these people.

00:53:05.560 That was religious belief.

00:53:08.300 As misguided as you might think it is.

00:53:12.020 That was definitely religious.

00:53:13.720 I agree.

00:53:14.140 And that's what really shook him up.

00:53:17.160 I mean, a serious, really, I mean, that, that was also a scam.

00:53:21.560 I mean, it was this weird, I mean, yeah, but I, I mean to re in it, in it never QAnon,

00:53:27.820 never fun.

00:53:28.660 I mean, QAnon was salacious and, and it demonized liberals, but it never really undermined them.

00:53:37.620 QAnon is a liberal religion at the end of the day. 0.79

00:53:40.240 It's about, you know, freedom and individualism and so on.

00:53:44.460 It's just a kind of older version of, of liberalism.

00:53:47.580 So they think it's right wing.

00:53:49.740 I mean that it, it, the only way, so it is a backlash.

00:53:53.880 The only way to change it is to attack it at its core.

00:53:58.940 And that means attacking liberalism at its core.

00:54:01.460 And on also engaging it with your own hegemonic religious belief. 0.87

00:54:05.500 That is the only way to defeat these horrible people.

00:54:12.780 And the things they did to Alex.

00:54:16.040 Against the

00:54:25.460 Against the

00:54:41.120 We'll be right back.

00:55:11.120 We'll be right back.

RadixJournal - January 25, 2021

The Great Transition

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