RadixJournal - The Impossibility of Jewish Nationalism

00:00:00.000 all right good morning good afternoon good night wherever you are welcome to radix live

00:00:09.500 with me richard spencer and ed dutton first off let me apologize having a bit of technical

00:00:17.040 difficulties with my computer so i'm going phone it probably won't bother you too much ed how are

00:00:25.000 you doing yeah i'm okay yes i i've had a fun weekend my wife was at her mother's so i took

00:00:31.940 the kids swimming uh at a spa hotel which was fun we went on our bikes through the spring which was

00:00:38.900 fun um and then um today i was listening to this new band i've discovered called blink 182

00:00:45.500 blink 182 yeah blink 182 and uh and and their album um take off your pants and jacket

00:00:53.560 so i was just listening to that quite subtle i'm now a fan of blink 182

00:00:59.920 182 i believe is how you pronounce it blink 182 so so that's what's been uh that's what's been

00:01:06.660 on my with my weekend you uh yeah i did similar things i took the kids on a paddleboard trip

00:01:13.860 uh up the river it was pretty pretty fascinating we were talking my son was very concerned that

00:01:20.380 sharks might attack our boat but i told him this is fresh water there are no sharks um and and i said

00:01:27.100 you know sharks live in salt water and so on and then he decided that it would be fun to get salt and

00:01:33.460 put it into the river and then all the sharks would come but wouldn't what did you did you mention

00:01:39.540 him the realistic possibility of alligators no alligators out here in montana but that is true

00:01:46.000 if you're down in louisiana or florida yes that's the leading cause of death is brutal alligator attacks

00:01:54.860 what dangerous animals do you have in montana uh bears we have more dangerous mammals we don't have

00:02:02.420 any poisonous state snakes at least in the pacific northwest um you'll occasionally hear about bear

00:02:08.880 attacks or cougar attacks but you know those hikers had it coming in my opinion i mean get between a

00:02:16.000 bear and her cubs and well i hope you lived a fun life you know in grand theft auto five you have

00:02:24.220 mountain lions oh yeah it's very similar to kind of cougars and mountain lions they've called them

00:02:31.980 up here yeah uh they can attack you know the animal that kills the most people are basically deer and

00:02:40.100 moose um not that they will attack you but it may cause car accidents and so on and there there are

00:02:47.560 occasions uh moose in particular um every once in a while a moose will just

00:02:54.220 hooves someone to death basically they will brutally kick them with their hooves

00:03:03.480 oh i had a friend at university and his friend was stag hunting during rutting season and a stag

00:03:09.980 mounted him and had sex with him are you serious are you just yeah yeah he ejaculated he ejaculated over

00:03:16.820 his back and apparently stags quite a lot of quite a lot of semen um and it's green green green it's

00:03:27.460 green this sounds just a little bit too preposterous this happened no no i believe the person in question

00:03:33.980 he went to eton he had honestly beaten into him well yeah but there are a lot of people who

00:03:39.820 i'm not sure i believe that story that's just a bit much it was a bit much yeah it was a bit much

00:03:46.860 and it was green so you've got to be you've got to be careful with these deer that's for sure but um

00:03:53.440 yeah um but anyway some stuff's been happening in the world uh last may george floyd this may

00:03:59.000 israel yeah well it seems like every what is it every year and a half there's some war between

00:04:07.260 israel and palestine palestine it seems there's some kind of hot controversy uh this one is involving

00:04:15.060 um real estate and uh hey and basically uh removing people from homes and so on uh i actually think that

00:04:24.540 we should take a step back and uh talk about what the whole thing is and certain problems with that

00:04:35.380 and uh the question of jewish nationalism the question of palestinian nationalism uh the question

00:04:42.180 of israel i think we should kind of take a bird's eye view of this situation and uh not get lost in

00:04:49.780 the details because i think other people can get lost in the details and they probably know more of

00:04:53.660 the details than we do um but i was reading last night just before going to bed uh jared kushner

00:05:01.020 had a op-ed in the wall street journal in march 15th of 2021 so about two months ago and although

00:05:11.320 everyone is guilty of making incorrect predictions um this one was a whopper it was basically how dare

00:05:20.400 you question me and the abraham accords um we don't need the palestinians to agree uh we can actually

00:05:29.360 reach all of this great peace uh with other countries uh surrounding the region and we will

00:05:36.460 solve the issue that way i am the best uh trump's awesome blah blah blah well two months later we have

00:05:44.300 a very hot conflict going on uh in the over the palestinian territory now i think it's important to

00:05:53.300 kind of look at the again the bigger picture because there always seems to be a problem in

00:06:03.000 the middle east i think i heard an anecdote from some neoconservatives i believe it's gene patrick

00:06:08.780 and she was hosting a conference that she had to plan a year in advance and so they ran into this

00:06:14.920 problem of what should we talk about and she said oh the theme of the conference will be the crisis in

00:06:19.560 the middle east and someone said well what are you talking about uh they'll be one trust me it will

00:06:24.600 be very timely so there's something true to that and i think there's a lot of people who kind of

00:06:30.180 take this uh i don't know rather cynical or sarcastic view that they've been fighting for thousands of

00:06:38.200 years we can't do anything just let you know let them kill each other blah blah well uh i kind of

00:06:45.840 understand that sentiment and um there probably is some truth to that sentiment but they haven't

00:06:52.880 actually been fighting like this for thousands of years these conflicts have come up precisely because

00:07:01.920 of zionism you could say a certain kind of jewish nationalism um and the asymmetry that is involved

00:07:11.540 with this uh the state of israel is of course created in 1948 it was sanctified you could you

00:07:17.680 could say its sovereignty was granted to it by the united nations um even though americans

00:07:23.660 it was really it was really your it was uh your president really that gave it its gave it its wings

00:07:29.640 i mean they couldn't they couldn't have gone ahead and declared independence and if they hadn't had the

00:07:34.560 backing of the of truman but it certainly not certainly not and and the u.n could not have had

00:07:40.880 the u.n would not exist without a american-led war it was why did truman do that why well uh there

00:07:49.560 are a lot of stories about this um what i was gesturing towards was that he was a bit ambivalent

00:07:54.600 about it um previously to the second world war there were there were serious jewish terror campaigns

00:08:02.020 going on uh bombing of hotels uh attacking politicians uh they they had again before america

00:08:10.100 screwed up the middle east uh you guys did that uh so the original um the original mandate for a

00:08:18.440 uh jewish homeland in israel was of course um given to them in the paris peace conference of 1919

00:08:24.680 um that came uh that was subsequent to the balfour declaration uh but was any foreign minister uh

00:08:34.300 balfour who he was former prime minister as well a prime minister as well i think he did it while he

00:08:39.780 was poor oh details details but um that that was also basically a an expression that the british empire

00:08:47.340 would support a jewish homeland obviously the history of zionism itself as a concept uh stretches back in

00:08:54.540 the 19th century some people might uh say that spencer is ridiculous and uh warping when i say things like

00:09:03.160 we should we should be thinking about a neo-roman empire an ethnostate and so on um i am taking my cues

00:09:12.580 from other intellectuals who imagined it and then it came into being if you dream it they will come

00:09:21.760 so to speak to take that line from field of dreams uh so zionism was a intellectual movement uh before

00:09:31.060 it was a political movement before it was supported by very wealthy uh mostly jewish families and before

00:09:37.680 it was supported by the british empire uh jews turned on the british empire there was there were

00:09:42.740 certain segments of them that were engaging in terror against the british they wanted independence

00:09:47.660 um i mean to the extent to the extent they were so the the level of vindictiveness was such that

00:09:54.240 for example there were uh soldiers in stationed in britain uh during and after the war uh who let's

00:10:01.100 say they were involved in in some not even a major way uh in some in some battle against the jewish

00:10:07.120 militants and they would find out where they lived in britain after they'd been demobbed from the army

00:10:13.460 and send them letter bombs killing their servants and things like this or killing their wives

00:10:20.280 bad now uh that's really bad yes it did happen um there is a there is a certain ruthlessness and

00:10:29.620 even viciousness and just unwillingness to lose that seems to uh to to to be at the heart of of a great

00:10:40.940 deal of the zionist and i i guess you um you can lament it but i guess you can ultimately uh only

00:10:47.460 admire it yeah and learn from that we are not promoting the point was that we that the british

00:10:55.320 withdrew uh having brought about a situation where there were these two there were these two areas

00:11:02.180 uh for the palestinians uh for the palestinians one of whom was was ruled by um egyptians and uh one of

00:11:09.900 whom was was was was uh administered by jordan um and in which that a significant percentage of the

00:11:16.860 population of the israeli state were themselves uh palestinian people um who who you might legitimately

00:11:24.400 expect to be treated equally to the rest of the uh population and um and then and then and then we

00:11:31.440 withdrew um and that's perfectly reasonable and then of course um the the all hell was was let loose

00:11:39.660 and you have you have the israelis invading the other territories and sinai which was part of which

00:11:46.900 was which was part of egypt of course which eventually they gave back um and then you have

00:11:51.180 these two territories which are just now under their i mean completely under their rule they control

00:11:55.080 they control everything in these places everything that is significant the the electricity the the

00:12:00.860 the net the computer the computer networks everything yeah i mean the the cliche you hear uh among

00:12:08.360 leftists mostly because liberals are pretty much on board with zionism is it's an open air prison

00:12:13.760 uh gaza and i don't think that that is incorrect to be honest well i think it's kind of it's kind of

00:12:19.840 worse than that because um well also so that's got that's that's this we've got the west bank the west

00:12:26.200 bank and then gaza right yeah gaza voted for hamas which is more extreme than the than the plo so

00:12:32.500 they're blockaded so it's it's that you've got it's they're like 40 unemployment nothing is there

00:12:38.360 um the west bank is not quite as bad but then of course they're invading the west bank the jews are

00:12:44.440 invading the west bank occupying the west bank deliberately building settlements between

00:12:49.500 palestinian settlements so the settlements can't grow and then you can't move into the jewish settlements

00:12:54.860 that's not allowed so of course you're economically uh uh messed up and uh messed messed about with um

00:13:01.620 they also control all the most of the infrastructure in the in the west bank anyway um and so and if you

00:13:08.820 can't leave you can't leave if you leave if you go so they won't let you back there's no there's no

00:13:14.360 right of return there's right of return for jews you can be you can be you can find a jewish

00:13:18.760 hundreds of years ago and you you can you can go and live there there's no right of return for

00:13:22.400 palestinians if you leave that's it you're out and also if you as a palestinian because 20 percent

00:13:27.720 of the israeli population of the actual israeli population in israel proper are are palestinians

00:13:33.380 uh and if they leave i think i believe they're out they they they you if they marry somebody from

00:13:39.320 the west bank or from uh gaza that person can't become israeli and it doesn't it doesn't pass on

00:13:46.740 i mean it's if they're second class citizens um and then if you look at the administration of the

00:13:51.860 money within israel the the they they um they make up 20 percent the palestinians of the population of

00:13:59.000 israel proper like not including uh uh gaza not including the west bank and not including east

00:14:04.760 jerusalem um and the parts that the israel have invaded um and they they get 1.7 percent of the national

00:14:12.000 budget um to their areas well also to the degree that i understand it properly um the all land or

00:14:20.640 most all land it's probably 95 percent is owned by a let's a government agency effectively or a not

00:14:30.820 for profit you could say so they don't you don't have land rights in the way that you do in the united

00:14:36.020 states all of the land is ultimately owned by this agency and they make sure that this land is it

00:14:43.500 maintains jewish control effectively so there are deep structural um you know ethnocentric jewish

00:14:53.360 supremacist institutions not just ideas within the jewish state which surprises terribly much

00:15:00.880 within the constitution the only people that have the right to that state are the jews

00:15:05.620 so if you are you are a palestinian israeli citizen and you are elected to the knesset uh you

00:15:13.720 can't look out for the interests of your people it's literally unconstitutional yeah so there's basically

00:15:20.180 nothing you can do you're like a token member of parliament that can do nothing this gets me to

00:15:26.520 the bigger issue uh which is the two-state solution so since i have been alive or been

00:15:35.120 a young adult let's say for for the last 30 25 30 years i have heard about the two-state solution

00:15:43.300 and there's actually remarkable consensus on the two-state solution so you'll hear john kerry

00:15:49.760 a elite liberal talk about we need a two-state solution you'll hear sometimes leftist activists talk

00:15:55.680 about we want a two-state solution you'll also hear bibi netanyahu talk about a two-state solution

00:16:00.740 when you hear some uh liberal journalist who is you know radically leftist on most social issues in

00:16:07.340 america that is for some reason i can't i don't know why uh fanatically zionist when it comes to

00:16:13.880 israel and is defending their bombing of buildings with the ap and uh al jazeera and it and all this

00:16:19.560 kind of stuff um they also talk well we ultimately want a two-state solution i have come to the conclusion

00:16:26.900 that the two-state solution is total bullshit um first off it does appeal to a certain fairness

00:16:34.660 let's say a kind of 19th century nationalism uh of you know every people deserves their own country

00:16:42.900 uh and you can see this in the paris peace conference of 1919 that was the primary paradigm

00:16:47.800 in fact i think that even though people are skeptical of nationalism when it's done

00:16:53.920 by uh germans or americans or english sometimes um people kind of like that idea it seems fair

00:17:02.320 and they see the problem is irreconcilable and terrible and okay let's let's just divide them

00:17:07.960 on states well the fact is that ideal of a two-state solution is happening alongside everything which

00:17:16.060 you discussed earlier which is the settlement process the extreme asymmetry of uh of israel and

00:17:24.660 palestine in terms of uh military weaponry nuclear weapons which israel of course has even though they

00:17:30.780 won't quite admit to it and just the backing of the united states now the united states will give

00:17:35.040 the palestinians money no question uh but in terms of which side are they really on i don't remember

00:17:41.960 there being a palestinian american uh political activism conference in washington dc that got

00:17:49.500 nearly the amount of support by both sides of the aisle um as i as i don't remember that but i of course

00:17:58.100 know that apac is there so what is happening is a kind of weird pincer movement you could say if

00:18:04.120 that's the right metaphor where you're you're you're expand i'll finish real quick you're expanding

00:18:08.760 israel is expanding expanding expanding while talking about we want a two-state solution we

00:18:13.460 want to deal with the palestinians we wish they just give up terrorism but we want to deal with

00:18:17.500 them you expand expand expand to a point where the two-state solution is meaningless and this was

00:18:23.460 meaningless to a point where the two states are a greater israel that includes uh that includes the

00:18:31.800 west bank and gaza right those are the two states that's that's what they're aiming for i think

00:18:38.200 so that you have you have a situation where where they expand and expand and expand the west bank

00:18:42.840 um to such an extent now that it's there's jewish settlements peppered all over the place that

00:18:48.360 separate um uh the palestinian settlements and they're deliberately placed in that way and so the

00:18:54.940 result of that is it's impossible the only way you could have a two-state solution that would be

00:18:58.580 you'd have to remove um all of the settlers from the west bank and from jerusalem because let's be fair

00:19:05.040 that was that was mandated as an international city because it's holy to three religions um and

00:19:10.460 that's not going to happen so what they ultimately want is that is is two-state solution will be west

00:19:16.280 bank and all of the palestinians that live there get out and um and either go to other countries or go

00:19:23.880 to gaza which would be this ridiculous non-state that can't do anything even though it's even though it

00:19:31.880 tries its best but it can't it's what's it going to do um it's going to have it's going to completely

00:19:36.820 at the mercy it's going to be like estonia at the mercy of russia or something it's going to be just

00:19:41.700 nothing right and in kushner what you know he was again uh fanning his own uh balls uh in the wall

00:19:49.300 street journal about the brilliance of his plan uh he basically presented it to the palestinians as a

00:19:56.000 complete and just be saying you're welcome uh folks uh here is this plan where there are we are

00:20:03.700 going to basically actualize the settlements that are taking place we are going to have two states

00:20:10.200 they're going to be bordering each other but the palestinian state will never really have an army

00:20:15.040 it's certainly not going to have nuclear weapons it's certainly not going to have advanced weaponry

00:20:19.340 provided to by the united states so it's not really a state it's kind of i don't we should have a word for

00:20:24.960 it it's it well i and i don't mean to insult your adopted homeland but it's a kind of finlandization

00:20:30.780 of the palestinians although finland is a great place uh gaza won't be that nice but you're basically

00:20:38.700 putting them you're creating this little statelet that has no military power that is uh kind of the

00:20:45.000 little the the bastard stepchild of the big kahuna uh america in the region they'll they'll throw it some

00:20:52.980 money but they're not it's worse than that it's not worse than that it might be worse than that

00:20:57.040 what i'm saying is it's bullshit finland is finland is physically connected to western europe and has

00:21:02.040 borders with sweden and norway and and and so and such like there's nothing like that you're you're

00:21:08.440 you're a little speck of dust by the sea on the on the edge of israel it's like being gibraltar

00:21:14.580 that's what it's like it's like being gibraltar that's probably a better comparison

00:21:17.860 and which actually is english territory um and in spain yes and a really underrated james bond movie

00:21:26.040 living daylights took place in gibraltar that was awesome they jumped out of helicopter jumped out of

00:21:30.920 a plane in his office and a plane and then they just opened up the back of it and they jumped out

00:21:36.780 parachuted and yeah it was great but anyway it wouldn't work because they're unbelievably poor

00:21:41.960 these people in the in gaza in the so therefore the palestines would just have to leave and go to

00:21:46.520 other places in the middle east or other countries which brings me to the an actual solution um i

00:21:54.080 support a one state solution and i don't support i i i think basically this situation is unworkable

00:22:02.460 to go back to the anecdote from previous um that i that i said of 20 minutes ago there's always a

00:22:08.760 crisis in the middle east this is just unworkable it's extremely unfair there is a kind of passive

00:22:14.860 aggression that you see among israelis where they have created this horrible situation and then

00:22:22.260 lo and behold palestinians will engage in some kind of terrorism or violent activism and they'll be like

00:22:30.000 well see we can't trust them now it's putting them in the worst possible situation and then being

00:22:36.400 shocked and appalled when they engage in violence it's nonsense and of course earlier zionists engage in

00:22:42.880 just as much violence i think the the zionist project as it is currently conceived is not workable

00:22:49.280 now people will often say i'll hear this from kind of americans who are kind of checked out from this

00:22:55.640 i understand why they're checked out these people are checked out it's messy it's nasty uh they're

00:23:01.120 checked out and they say they've been fighting for a thousand years they haven't been fighting for a

00:23:04.980 thousand years uh jerusalem was once uh under the sovereignty of the ottoman empire the ottoman empire of

00:23:12.560 course slowly collapsed um over the course of the late 19th and early 20th century uh there was no

00:23:19.320 vicious horrible fighting there were certainly jews who lived in the holy land it was under the

00:23:25.680 sovereignty of a larger imperial body and indeed israel itself could never have become a state if it

00:23:33.560 weren't for the united states and you know in the united nations which grant and the british empire

00:23:38.240 previously which granted them sovereignty in other words israel always needs a big kahuna israel needs

00:23:44.600 to be a little brother it's not actual nationalism in in the sense that you could you could you could

00:23:51.740 coherently say that there is a form of british nationalism or french nationalism or german nationalism

00:23:57.200 russian nationalism in the sense that they have strong armies perhaps nuclear weapons in in in our day

00:24:04.240 and age uh that that is a real country that can that can claim plausibly a certain level of independence

00:24:11.400 to be a actor in the world israel has never existed outside of these overarching structures thus we have to

00:24:21.520 use these overarching structures to solve the the problem i think there should be a one state solution

00:24:28.600 israeli israeli jews in general and israelis are always telling us about how it's a multicultural state

00:24:35.880 and um they they support multiculturalism in our in our homeland so i don't see what could possibly be

00:24:42.960 the problem um if we allowed uh there to be a kind of american style constitution in uh across palestine

00:24:51.540 um and basically there to be a multicultural multiracial state and for the holy sites which are

00:24:57.840 clearly uh you know religious have tremendous religious significance that i don't that is

00:25:05.380 sincerely held religious beliefs and that these can be administered by an international body like

00:25:11.720 whether it's the united nations that might be the best choice and that you have that everyone um who

00:25:18.740 cares deeply about these holy sites will be given access to these sites uh there has to be a one state

00:25:25.960 solution i cannot think of a problem because nationalism is not the palestinians that have left

00:25:31.660 the country and their descendants should obviously have right of return that goes that way because

00:25:38.540 they might not get their exact land back they might not get the house if jews not just jews if israelites

00:25:48.160 that left the country in 700 bc have right of return and they do they do and they've taken it

00:25:56.040 they 700 bc right then i see no reason why palestinians and their descendants that left the country in 1947

00:26:03.400 um do not have the right to return so so obviously they have the right to return and if the result of

00:26:10.940 that is that the country becomes only 48 jewish or something well that's i mean multiculturalism is

00:26:16.460 a richness and a diversity and um it it's the essence of all is good and so i don't see how

00:26:22.900 anyone possibly oppose that if they do their racism i agree um i mean also 25 percent of the only reason

00:26:30.520 why multicultural societies are conflict-driven is not because of genetic differences or evolution

00:26:36.700 to group orientation or anything like that or trust between groups um it's to do with racism

00:26:41.280 right and if you take structural racism particularly and if you take the structural racism away which you

00:26:47.160 can do easily because things go down like thunderbolts and they can be drawn back again um then

00:26:52.260 everybody will just get on all they have to do is just put their differences aside and realize that

00:26:55.900 they're all human um and the the judaism and palette and arabism and islam are just social constructs

00:27:02.720 well okay ed i know you're being you're trolling a bit okay as i was okay but let's well you come on

00:27:11.700 you are let's let's also be kind of honest here all right so america and britain have advanced

00:27:19.660 multicultural societies and they obviously lead to huge amounts of problems and they're not what you

00:27:26.540 and i would want that being said we don't like i'm not being bombed i'm not i don't peer a missile

00:27:34.480 to be launched into my living room uh anytime soon so like i understand that multiculturalism and a

00:27:44.780 liberal democracy is going to be a an affront to many israeli nationalists but they're gonna have to

00:27:52.940 deal with that uh if they are gonna first off if they're gonna promote that everywhere and second

00:27:59.100 off if they are going to create a just clearly unworkable situation in their region you're just

00:28:08.160 gonna have to have someone come in and offer a solution which isn't like israeli nationalism and

00:28:15.300 increased settlements there's just gonna have to be something besides that because we cannot do this

00:28:20.660 endlessly i mean well we can of course and it's gonna be it's gonna be blood and tears it's just

00:28:27.940 going to be awful and someone an adult has to enter the room i'm sorry a third party and

00:28:35.160 solve this problem it might it might solve itself in the sense that the the people that are doing all

00:28:42.060 the breeding in israel and they've increased in size from five percent to one third of the population

00:28:46.920 over the over the period of israel's existence of the heredi jews and the heredi jews are fiercely

00:28:54.140 anti-zionist um ironically anti-israel and anti-existence of the state of israel although they choose to live

00:29:02.100 there um uh and uh because seeing it as like a blasphemy in in in in you know geopolitical form um it is we can

00:29:12.240 talk about this and they and they refuse to serve in the army and so they they're basically kind of

00:29:17.660 parasitic off the off of everybody else insisting that they're the they're the cultural core of the

00:29:24.300 nation and they have to be allowed to spend their their two years the other israeli spend in the army

00:29:29.340 you know reading hebrew and stuff um then uh reading old texts and so on then then uh and those people

00:29:38.000 are just growing and growing and growing and people forget how secularized a lot of israelis are

00:29:43.440 how the demographic transition happened to israelis ages ago in many cases before they even got to

00:29:50.060 israel um and how the zionists although the zionists probably are i mean they're highly religious people

00:29:54.960 so i assume they have quite a reasonable birth rate it's nowhere near that of the of the heredi

00:29:59.640 so what one would expect you'll end up with is the hollowing out of secular israel it'll just die off

00:30:06.340 um and and two kinds of of very religious israelis the zionists on the one hand and the heredi on the

00:30:13.500 other who'll hate each other um sounds wonderful so you'll get like a division within the israeli state

00:30:21.600 so that would um that's another thing that has to take into account that you're going to get i would

00:30:26.620 imagine you'll get polarization within israel over over what to do right i would also mention this

00:30:34.080 bigger issue which interests me which is whether jewish nationalism is even possible and when i say

00:30:42.860 nationalism i mean blood and soil nationalism um whether that actually fits them as a people that

00:30:52.680 has evolved across the millennia and fits them in terms of their religious understanding um obviously

00:31:01.060 a there's a tremendous amount of mythology uh surrounding the kingdom of david and the kind of

00:31:11.520 badass era of the jews and there's a great deal of mythology around the taking of canaan and so on

00:31:19.540 uh that being said there's probably more mythology and more history and lived experience uh around

00:31:27.200 being a a diasporic people more recently but also being effectively a kind of slave caste people that

00:31:36.680 are uh tricking and undermining and escaping from established blood and soil states uh egypt and the

00:31:47.000 figure of the pharaoh whether that's the pharaoh vis-a-vis abraham or the pharaoh um vis-a-vis moses uh that

00:31:54.280 seems to be a more primary mythos if we fast forward uh to the age of christ um you know there is this

00:32:04.360 there are problematic figures like herod who are basically jewish nationalist on some level

00:32:13.180 but are also romans and are subservient to the roman state and whenever there are jewish revolts

00:32:21.480 in which they attempt to you know have a piece of land that's their own they attempt to attack the

00:32:29.920 empire and so on this leads to absolute destruction and the catastrophe at least from the jewish perspective

00:32:39.040 of the destruction of the second temple i think that's a very good point i mean i think if you if

00:32:44.340 you it's so long ago so we're talking such ridiculous amounts of time in the past but back in the bronze

00:32:50.340 age the early bronze age i mean all of those just after the bronze age so um early iron age early iron

00:32:57.960 age fall of the northern kingdom 722 bc roughly isn't it 722 bc so that's where you've got the vast

00:33:04.800 majority of the israelite tribe not the jews but all the most of the other ones um off they go

00:33:09.480 around all over the shop ethiopia and and india and iraq and all over cyprus all over the place

00:33:18.780 um some of those are now uh taking up right to return and then you have the fall of the southern

00:33:23.780 kingdom in um 587 bc i think it is um and and then again off they go and some of them come back

00:33:32.060 they're in exile for however long it was i can't remember uh at least 50 years and they come back

00:33:39.280 and of course the place has been settled by all these different people under the greek empire you

00:33:44.880 know samaritans and all these different sorts of people um and and then eventually you have the

00:33:51.220 collapse 70 beasts and then off off they off they go wandering and you have you have theologies that

00:33:56.440 have developed since then uh based around being an exile based around uh portraying god as being an

00:34:04.200 exile i think it was called zingzum or something zingzum um and the idea is that god exiled part of

00:34:12.000 himself and that part of himself was the jews or something like that so you actually have

00:34:16.460 developments of something like that it was called developments of jewish theology that are based

00:34:22.520 around being exiled identity whereby you are an exiled people and that is god's choice for you as

00:34:29.860 a jew to be a jew is to be exiled and that is um i think part of what the attitude of the heredis is

00:34:36.100 that you got israel is something that comes at the end of time right israel is not something that happens

00:34:41.480 within time jews are an exiled people and at the end of time they will be restored to israel not before

00:34:48.220 um and and so um so yeah i can see the point that zion is weird christians to basically have this

00:34:57.200 bizarre support for zionism where they want the jews to be in control of jerusalem so that the end time

00:35:04.820 will come so you know we and all jews will either die or convert or something like this it's this bizarre

00:35:12.700 thing which i think a lot of uh let's say liberal secular jews treat as radically anti-semitic which

00:35:19.500 i guess they have a point uh but which is ultimately radically philo-semitic but it is about bringing

00:35:26.920 about that messianic age and this is not some obscure thing uh this is actually something that

00:35:34.560 motivates uh hundreds of thousands of uh fundamentalist christians um sorry

00:35:42.020 zimzum he was a rabbi called luria in the creative process begins with an act of voluntary exile it

00:35:49.280 starts asking the world how could the world exist if god's omnipresent the answer is the doctrine of

00:35:53.820 zimzum withdrawal the infinite and inaccessible godhead had to shrink into itself evacuating itself

00:36:00.980 to make room for the world so god exiled part of himself to make room for the world and that's how

00:36:07.600 creation began according to this sephardic uh jewish theologian so right the world is inherently in

00:36:15.220 exile and the jews are the people i have never heard that before but but yeah it's um

00:36:20.240 uh so like jewish so if you could if you give a a a charitable representation of uh herzl uh you could

00:36:32.400 and this was a man who was atheistic he was a contempt he was a contemporary late 19th century

00:36:39.280 intellectual who was very similar to a lot of many of his contemporaneous figures uh he was uh secular

00:36:47.260 uh he recognized the issue of anti-semitism and how jews were kind of a people apart within the

00:36:56.260 nations and that even after um uh uh liberation in uh throughout the napoleonic era and so on uh that

00:37:05.020 they were going to always be this kind of unassimilable you know people and if they did

00:37:10.680 assimilate that would mean a kind of slow dilution of jews as an as an ethnicity and as an identity and

00:37:18.960 so he was a kind of herzl was a kind of identitarian activist who was a a secular nationalist

00:37:24.740 who imagined that we could have a blood and soil jewish state well he's a fascinating figure and i

00:37:31.240 think there's a lot to learn from him but you could plausibly say that he was simply wrong that

00:37:36.860 that just can't work and whenever it is tried by in some kind of moment of fervor whenever blood and

00:37:45.420 soil jewish nationalism is attempted it leads either to getting their asses kicked by the romans um it

00:37:54.000 leads to uh this endless unsolvable painful situation that we've seen since the creation

00:38:03.380 of the jewish state it's just it's it's not in their dna and and maybe quite literally it's not

00:38:09.100 in their dna that's perfectly possible that's perfectly possible why wouldn't that be the case

00:38:13.900 why they they have had to feel having left israel they have had to fill a niche and that niche in the

00:38:20.740 case of every jewish uh group in the world has been to be a uh a small minority uh that were various

00:38:29.740 degrees of smallness that is to be that is tolerated or not tolerated or semi-tolerated at the various

00:38:35.540 degrees depending on the time period by a larger group of people that's that's been the nature of

00:38:41.480 most jewish people for all of history and so you could argue that that would be a niche towards which

00:38:46.280 they would be selected and that is why um you get uh there are certain things that they have been

00:38:52.220 selected if you look at the intelligence profile of jewish people uh it's they're high in linguistic

00:38:56.780 intelligence mathematical intelligence not so high in uh spatial intelligence because the jobs that

00:39:02.520 they were permitted to do the niche they found was things like banking and money lending and also to

00:39:08.480 some extent writing and things like that uh farming and things that involve spatial intelligence that was

00:39:13.740 done by the gentiles that was done by everybody else um and so and so you would have an expectation

00:39:19.580 that this is a product of selection these differences and their high intelligence as well

00:39:24.760 at least among the ashkenazi this is a product of a selection to a specific kind of niche and so you

00:39:30.980 would expect you would expect when they're taken out of that niche it would be what you would call

00:39:35.460 an evolutionary mismatch um to which they wouldn't be involved and therefore it would go wrong

00:39:40.780 right i would take this further i i think there there's an impossibility of nationalism at the very

00:39:48.640 heart of the jewish religion which is about resisting idolatry you know there's there's one phrase that

00:39:57.260 almost every smart liberal knows from the jewish tradition it is tikkun olam it's usually translated as

00:40:06.120 heal the world this beautiful phrase well it doesn't actually mean heal the world it is about resisting

00:40:13.720 uh idolatry and is a and it is about um setting up time you could say or or a stat it is about it is

00:40:22.060 about the destruction of all other idols around the world in the face and for there to be ultimately

00:40:29.420 supplanted by yahweh they this nationalism if it is a real uh ideology it has to have a sense of

00:40:41.460 recognition so if you're a welsh nationalist you could say well i recognize the english nationalism

00:40:48.800 nationalism for everyone there's russian nationalism there's a american nationalism and we can kind of

00:40:54.660 keep to ourselves have borders hang on hang on i don't recognize american nationalism well i think

00:41:00.620 american nationalism might have similar problems actually maybe even owing to a kind of judaic uh

00:41:07.520 founding population but i'll leave that aside for the moment um that type of recognition just cannot

00:41:16.560 work with jews because that goes against the core of their religion yes they're an exiled people

00:41:23.920 and so on but there is ultimately one god and that god is yahweh and all other idols must be at the

00:41:33.620 very least resisted but they should ultimately be destroyed it this is a type it's a you could say a

00:41:40.940 kind of monoltery that well i don't mean to but the nature the nature of it is work with if you

00:41:46.940 recognize other national if you if you have as you say if you have this belief where you you are a

00:41:51.840 nationalist um state finland or estonia or whatever and you recognize other nations and their right to be

00:41:58.740 nationalist states the fundamental problem with israel is that um or there's it wouldn't be the only

00:42:03.540 there would be other examples of this but is that they the chinese minority in southeast asia for example

00:42:07.900 or the indian minority in various african countries or the white minority in zimbabwe or whatever

00:42:12.260 but the point is that they have their own nation their own ethno state but then they want to be

00:42:16.840 a people in other nations influencing uh those nations and how those nations operate and that's

00:42:24.340 where things that's where things become complicated i mean even in finland i noticed this when um the

00:42:29.640 finns when true finns in 2011 went from being a tiny little party with about seven members of parliament

00:42:35.540 to being very nearly the second largest party in the finnish parliament the swedish press the swedish press

00:42:42.700 were appalled by this how can this happen and the the mainstream parties in finland at that time were

00:42:49.260 perfectly accepting of of true finns um and but the swedish press what will this do to the swedish

00:42:54.900 minority the swedish speaking minority um in in finland suddenly their ethno-nationalistic instincts

00:43:00.900 in sweden came out um the the well yeah well we're sweden we're set but we've got our people in

00:43:06.460 finland and we want to protect them um and so you can see that that is a bit of a problem for the um

00:43:11.560 for the situation so i i agree with that i would just i totally agree with what you're saying i

00:43:17.640 mean you it's a weird situation where you want to i mean in hertzel to his credit recognize this

00:43:23.980 problem but you you want to be a jewish american or a jewish bread but then also we're a we're you know

00:43:34.100 loyal to the um uh to to israel i mean that that is dual loyalty i mean there is a kind of reality to

00:43:40.800 that libel so to speak and that is a big problem it's just not going to really work because again

00:43:47.760 it's not functioning on the blood and soil level but i'm actually taking it deeper than that in the

00:43:53.920 sense that judaism isn't just some religion out there that is oh yeah you know you've got your

00:44:00.080 religion i've got mine we can tolerate each other no like you must resist idolatry of all kinds for all

00:44:08.600 people it is it is a fundamentally kind of supremacist faith now christianity which is a continuation of

00:44:16.920 judaism uh picks up on all this now it does it in a kind of different form uh but there is one way

00:44:24.800 to salvation and that is through jesus christ a believing jew um so it's just nationalism as we know

00:44:34.580 it can kind of only exist in a secular context in the sense that you know what it means to be a fan

00:44:43.640 is to go run around the maypole and eat funny foul smelling fish dishes and blah blah blah it's all

00:44:50.420 this kind of secular highmont like stuff um it when you create a state based on judaism or you create a

00:45:00.720 i could say the same thing if you create a jesus state a state based on christianity you're going to

00:45:06.800 eventually run into this issue because it is deeply embedded in the very nature and structure of the

00:45:14.800 religion you it just does not work you cannot say we're just one little people here in the middle east

00:45:20.560 called the jews and we just want our little happy homeland when your entire religion is based on

00:45:26.640 destroying idols of other peoples well it was it was in the early stages it was conversionist but the

00:45:33.640 way that the the the mainstream and that's the thing with christianity christianity remains

00:45:38.800 conversionist and of course right it's heresies like multiculturalism and communism are conversionist

00:45:44.140 but uh it's uh that's why the ethiopia it's been suggested that's possibly why the ethiopian jews

00:45:49.200 um exist it's not it's not because there were israelites that fled to ethiopia but they just went in

00:45:54.440 there and converted them um um and then would mix into the population but but now the orthodox judaism

00:46:02.180 is not conversionist you cannot convert uh it's only to certainly you strand it's very rare yes

00:46:08.040 it's only to certain strands of judaism that you that you can convert so that's a that's slightly

00:46:14.360 different but i think the more pertinent point which we've brought to the fore is the possibility

00:46:19.680 as you say um certain certain the niche that has been the niche for most humans has been living in

00:46:28.560 a country and that's their land and that's theirs and they control it and they exclude all others and

00:46:34.540 that's their niche that's been the niche of most people's ever um and and there are certain exceptions

00:46:39.540 to that and once that's that hasn't been their niche like the gypsies or the jews um and once that

00:46:46.600 hasn't been their niche for a very very long time and we're talking thousands and thousands of years

00:46:51.740 then you you would expect them to have evolved towards a different niche um and and and that

00:46:57.720 would have interesting consequences when they when they try and transplant themselves uh into a um into

00:47:03.660 a into a homeland um and then within israel itself we should note that there's there's all it's not

00:47:08.720 it's not it's not homogenous itself is not homogenous you've got different jewish groups that are

00:47:14.460 quite distinct from each other such as the ashkenazi the safari the miserahim and of course the

00:47:19.260 ethiopian who who make up an underclass in in israel yeah sort of bad carriers and things like that

00:47:25.820 um and then the other various obscure israelite groups and samaritans and whatever that are allowed

00:47:31.820 so so it's not a it's not that united this actually is good for them in the sense that there's nothing

00:47:36.700 that's going to unite a people more than being at war so there's not there's nothing there's nothing

00:47:41.400 to play down their internal frictions over readies and whatever the war so that might be quite good

00:47:48.140 for them and what fascinates me though is that it's happening now it's like a it's a it's gonna be

00:47:53.420 this can become a may thing like a may ritual in our world for the foreseeable future that we go into

00:47:59.200 lockdown every spring every every winter to spring and then may we come out and there's a and there's

00:48:04.580 some kind of war somewhere but where would i know i do think that we'll get over the lockdown thing

00:48:10.860 i think that's a the idea that they're going to keep us locked down forever it's a bit much but

00:48:14.860 uh i do agree with you i mean there there is a may thing where it's winter people are just calmer

00:48:21.240 sleeping more don't want to go outside it's colder and may comes about and we all start attacking each

00:48:27.580 other whether it's you know blm protests and riots or now just a full-on war between muslims and jews

00:48:36.420 uh but yeah um i i think in some ways it's also much like with blm uh you have to kind of extract

00:48:47.660 yourself from it to be able to see it straight because it is so hyper polarized that everyone feels

00:48:54.300 like they need to take a side and they tell themselves that they're going to gain something

00:48:59.140 by taking a side or something we we need to support the state of israel oh they're under attack or

00:49:04.220 you know oh one struggle you know we're we're leaving the palestinian flag and this will somehow

00:49:10.420 help us and our our love will be reciprocated and whatever i i think the real challenge is to

00:49:16.760 extract yourself from that you mean the real the real psychological challenge is just not give a fuck

00:49:23.380 well you can say that and that i don't i don't blame anyone who doesn't give a fuck at some level

00:49:29.240 but it's hard not to give a fuck because we're all connected to it you know like as an american

00:49:35.440 i am part of this whether i like it or not you know that sales tax that i paid buying a candy bar

00:49:45.420 like a little fraction of that went to and is the iron dome system you know it did uh i

00:49:53.340 so you're you're kind of part of it whether you like it or not i think you do have to give a fuck

00:49:57.400 but i think you have to see it straight and not just get into the these kind of moralizing

00:50:04.140 polemical battles of good versus evil and so on i think there are actual solutions to this problem

00:50:10.700 but there aren't solutions are impossible if you're you're just you know the the jews are all good and

00:50:17.400 the thousands are all evil or vice versa um you have to kind of look at the situation understand the

00:50:23.360 structural and kind of endemic essential i've only i've only met one jewish person in finland

00:50:29.200 and that was that i was at uh i went to moomin world which is uh in southern finland in nantali

00:50:35.860 moving to the moomins the moomin cartoon from the 90s and that was made by the japanese people

00:50:41.360 but it was commissioned and set up by one of the few finnish jews a guy called dennis livson

00:50:46.860 and i went to moomin world and it was it's moving well it's like b it's not like a theme park it's

00:50:51.280 like just being in the moomin cartoons it's like you're literally there it's like built like it

00:50:54.820 and the kids love it and there's the people dressed up as the moomins they can hug and stuff and

00:50:59.000 there's who are the moomins the moomins i don't know who what do they look like they look like sort

00:51:04.820 of hip sort of hippopotamuses white hippos weird never heard of the moomins no by tommy nansen

00:51:11.900 no my god you look like look up i'm deprived yeah kids might like it's deprived they might yeah

00:51:19.620 the moomins anyway uh and are they as terrifying as teletubbies that's like a nightmare basically

00:51:26.540 they're not they're much it's much more complicated and inflicted on the world

00:51:30.480 you know it's much more complicated than teletubbies much more nuanced and they they live in

00:51:34.900 this moomin valley and and all kinds all kinds of uh sort of profound things happen to them and the

00:51:40.620 cartoons are influenced by sort of japanese weirdness but anyway there's a guy called dennis livson and

00:51:45.380 and it was the celebration of i don't know the 10 or 20th anniversary of this place and he was there

00:51:49.600 i got chided him and he was crippled he walks his and i asked him about that and he said yeah he fought

00:51:54.020 in the six day war and he was by shrapnel and um that was the only jewish person i've ever met in

00:52:00.740 finland but uh um yeah the other thing we were going to note though weren't we is uh nicholas wade's

00:52:08.740 um article oh yeah we can um we can put a bookmark in the israel policy conversation speaking of hot

00:52:18.060 polemical issues uh nicholas wade came out with a very interesting piece it was very long

00:52:24.020 um and he published it on medium so it's open to the public and that's good and i've noticed many

00:52:30.380 other papers or websites have picked up on it and it was picked up by some republican politicians who

00:52:36.200 were raking dr foushee over the coals with it i i think rightly to a certain degree actually um

00:52:43.740 because it raises tremendous questions but nicholas wade's a fascinating guy he actually

00:52:49.400 um wrote for the new york times for i don't know maybe even like 20 years or something he was there

00:52:55.020 for for a long time and he usually wrote good stuff he would actually even go after glenn gould

00:53:00.400 um and uh or stephen j gould glenn gould's a pianist um stephen j gould uh who was a wrote the

00:53:08.540 mismeasure of man and kind of race denier and so on and um he wrote a book on race called the

00:53:14.960 troublesome inheritance which was um uh kind of disappointing but i would say pretty good uh i

00:53:21.160 would you don't need to read it i would go read ed's book making sense of race uh i'd love i'd

00:53:28.200 love to be able to read it myself but of course it's been sent to me from america and it takes

00:53:31.380 about a year to get to me i haven't ever read it but but but um yeah anyway you could go on if you

00:53:39.500 want to represent the paper pretty right well i just think it's very very it's a very interesting

00:53:43.800 point that he makes which i didn't know this that um when it first came out okay it came from

00:53:48.840 wuhan and it was supposedly from this wet market bats and right and whatever and and and a load

00:53:54.640 of scientists very quickly and before they could possibly have known what the reality would was

00:54:00.640 wrote an article in a a very important scientific journal um in which they in which they asserted that

00:54:08.000 it's there's this conspiracy that it's come from a lab in wuhan or whatever and we want to say

00:54:12.940 this is absolutely not true and there's no evidence for this and it's clearly from the wet market

00:54:16.960 and it turned out that one of the people one of the academics that was one of the the writers of

00:54:22.720 that academic piece worked or at least was affiliated in some way to that lab right and didn't declare

00:54:30.180 that there was no conflict of interest declared i thought absolutely extraordinary and then there was

00:54:37.460 another academic article which was also a bit of a the lady to protest too much me thinks

00:54:42.040 as well by writing that so early when exactly when we first heard about it that i you know look

00:54:48.040 the it might have actually come from a wet market we we don't we aren't making hard conclusions here

00:54:54.600 and it's somewhat plausible but i have to say um i i think nicholas wade made a very compelling case

00:55:02.340 uh that it came from the wuhan lab but again to come out so quickly and be like you know it was

00:55:09.860 almost like that matt gates thing where he like admitted to a crime while denying it like you're like

00:55:15.660 no i was not the murderer i did not poison my enemy who died recently they're like what your enemy died

00:55:24.040 recently you're like yes and i didn't do it you know it's just kind of like what do you

00:55:28.180 i'm not familiar with that reference i've been spending too much of the weekend listening to

00:55:34.720 blink 182 but but even so 182 it clearly says 182 uh and so i um i i thought that then there was

00:55:43.340 another piece that came out which asserted that there was no way because of some complex genetic

00:55:49.140 analysis that that this could be from a lab that this could not be natural to which it was counted

00:55:54.480 no there are some methods which can be so-called seamless methods and so therefore it can be

00:55:59.740 it can be uh synthesized um and then of course that you've got the evidence that you've got this

00:56:05.800 this uh this virology place in wuhan they do make viruses like this um with gain of function

00:56:12.360 basically i think that's the real issue where they are making a virus more potentially dangerous

00:56:19.120 not necessarily for malign due to malign motives but they are doing that um and the the other issue

00:56:28.540 was that there are these huge bat caves with you know bat guano all over the place and it wasn't

00:56:35.020 coming from those areas it came right at the doorstep of the woman lab so i think he makes a fairly

00:56:41.420 compelling case and there were people that were arguing this back at the time okay they were speculating

00:56:45.940 of course more than he's doing but they were like thrown off social media or something as i as i

00:56:50.820 understand it but for saying this thing which may well tell well he i say the he says he says you

00:56:57.260 can't know either way but it strikes me that if you haven't read nicholas wade's article folks

00:57:01.160 go and read it um it strikes me that he he cautiously the the most parsimonious case is that it did

00:57:09.200 somehow come out of that lab whether deliberately or not but it somehow did um and so i think that's

00:57:15.920 well i think it it also raises the the issue i mean that to get political the the issue is that

00:57:23.260 some money was going towards that lab from the cdc now dr fauci uh vehemently uh or ethically claimed

00:57:33.920 that uh the cdc was not giving money to gain a function um experimentation uh now whether

00:57:42.920 whether whether there might be some kind of equivocation going on we'll see but he he was

00:57:49.800 emphatic about that uh but nevertheless there was some support of that lab obama perhaps to his credit

00:57:55.760 uh banned uh gain of function experimentation in the united states and so they kind of had to go

00:58:02.840 somewhere else i mean i would say pretty definitively whether we should whether we should be doing gain

00:58:09.200 of function experiments uh as as a community i i kind of won't have an opinion on that because this

00:58:16.900 is this is not my field and i can understand how some things that can be potentially dangerous have

00:58:22.860 a greater good so i won't have a firm opinion on that um but i do i do have a firm opinion that the

00:58:29.960 idea that that the united states should be giving grants to um you know chinese laboratories creating

00:58:38.740 these things i mean that seems to be a no-no uh so um we will see but one thing i would say is that

00:58:45.740 as you say very early on this thing was so polemicized and there was um or politicized and

00:58:51.500 polemicized and there was all of these bannings from social media uh anthony fauci said we don't know

00:58:59.000 but there you know one could make a case that this did emerge from a lab so he he equivocally you

00:59:07.140 know this god of the liberals um opened up space i think unquestionably for the discussion of this

00:59:15.360 matter and that's a good thing um yes okay that's true yeah but but um yeah we it's um anyway go go

00:59:25.600 anyway do we have any of the old super chats i um my computer let me see if my computer's working

00:59:30.880 there's a reason why i'm holding my phone this whole time oh yeah i forgot you were doing

00:59:34.700 yeah i didn't announce the super chats because i had to reboot my entire computer let's see how we're

00:59:41.140 doing here

00:59:41.640 and i didn't announce it so only true diehard someone someone said in the normal chat they said

00:59:50.120 ed has never read troublesome inheritance ed has read a fair bit of troublesome inheritance yes not all

00:59:54.860 of it i got bored in the end because it wasn't saying anything new i got bored and he did this

00:59:59.480 like big chapter like denouncing racialism and he talked about bogner and it was just all this like

01:00:07.740 stuff i know and it it seemed like he was just um kind of setting himself up as a good liberal

01:00:15.320 before he went into a good liberal but a bit of a bravery signaler it's a niche isn't it it's

01:00:21.380 you have a heterodox academy type person you have to get get that get that balance right get your

01:00:27.580 niche right right i i won't say anything that will actually affect the the population but i'm brave

01:00:35.220 nevertheless and we should yeah we should just pursue the truth even though i'm going to affirm all of

01:00:41.900 the values of my enemies um and then duffy space says ed is mad well great which close to madness lies

01:00:49.520 um and uh uh so that's about it let's see if we got in here

01:00:57.260 uh oh yeah we did get some all right sorry about this all right we we have yeah we have about 30 bucks

01:01:06.060 or so here okay richard um this is yehuda finkelstein um basically our greatest super fan

01:01:13.740 richard your son was right about river sharks and you were wrong but sharks can live in rivers and

01:01:19.500 freshwater lakes they were uh repeated bull shark attacks in philadelphia along the delaware river in

01:01:24.880 1916 fascinating um i actually watched um you know that fun reality show called river monsters have you

01:01:32.140 ever seen that with nicholas wade he he's this kind of grizzled older gentleman who's who's real

01:01:40.020 healthy and strong but then has like wrinkles and he's kind of an event he's like an indiana jones

01:01:45.080 type and he became a sex symbol of sorts i think he's a cool guy as well nicholas or not nicholas

01:01:50.740 wade something way he might be nicholas wade his other his twin brother but uh yeah i learned about

01:01:57.860 this so sharks can swim up river when the water is brackish that is salty and uh so these these

01:02:06.760 things can't happen all right i didn't contradict my son i i said well that would be fun but i don't

01:02:12.960 think pouring salt from a salt shaker into the river in montana would uh sharks i don't think there'll be

01:02:20.200 enough salt yeah um okay you who to finkelstein who is the bigger boomer when it comes to tech

01:02:29.580 richard or ed richard can't figure out how to live stream an odyssey and ed can't fix his damn

01:02:34.800 microphone oh no no no no no no i've i've worked out look i'll show you i've worked out an exact place

01:02:42.340 where to put the microphone i did some i bug it up but my last two videos the mic was

01:02:47.200 was too close was too far or too close i've been lucky for many videos since christmas i've worked

01:02:54.460 out the exact place and there won't be any boomer tech issues on the next video i can assure you of

01:02:59.480 that uh so i am less boomer tech than richard who needs to reboot his computer and reload his operating

01:03:05.760 system or something i know what that means but he has to do that that's very boomer tech yeah um i'm sorry

01:03:12.840 about odyssey i i need to look into this because we had it going there for a while i want to basically

01:03:18.060 use the system where i have where we we can record the video on stream labs and then promote it to

01:03:24.740 odyssey uh i'll figure that out this week um okay mike what can we do to combat white supremacy

01:03:34.100 when you consider working with a joint task force to help combat white supremacy for the right price

01:03:40.440 uh that seems kind of like a weird question i don't think the problem with ed and myself

01:03:50.560 i don't think we could gain riches and fame by becoming anti-racist like we would confess our sins

01:03:57.600 and try to help people overcome their racism i don't think anyone would buy it from us if we did

01:04:04.800 like if we cynically you know went on television and denounced ourselves and said we're i don't think

01:04:11.700 anyone would believe us like you kind of have to be kind of stupid you know like christian piccolini

01:04:18.520 or whatever like you kind of have to be like dumb and then people are like well yeah i bet he he was

01:04:24.320 duped and you know he had his life ruined or something when it's ed and myself and we're on there

01:04:29.520 and we're saying oh yes i just want to help people you can donate to my foundation no one would believe

01:04:34.240 us they know we're not going to just like change our minds we didn't come to this for because we

01:04:40.420 were we had to be you have to be more you have to be more extreme and like silly extreme like a like

01:04:46.840 an actual nazi lapper right and then and then and then you can convert it makes sense yeah then it's

01:04:53.400 all right because you can't convert if you come to this for kind of spiritual and intellectual

01:04:58.780 reasons like you yeah you if you were into black metal or something and you were you know sacrificing

01:05:06.720 goats on stage and screaming about hitler then yeah you probably could just kind of join the left

01:05:12.840 you know yeah if you had borderline personality disorder yeah okay yehuda finkelstein again for five

01:05:20.240 ed um don't christian rapture in times prophecies involving zionism the holy land have their apotheosis

01:05:28.600 in world war one era yes they did uh which was also the time when zionism received recognition from

01:05:34.400 the british and the balfour declaration yeah um do you want me to go on in that the second edition of

01:05:40.840 the schofield bible was published in 1917 and there was a uh tremendous amount of things that would

01:05:49.300 that would seem like they were the happening in the late 90s uh in the united states i remember um being in

01:05:56.600 college and um i was uh home for christmas and so this was like 1999 or something and i was just

01:06:05.080 working out at the gym and there was this cute girl who had all these books under her arms and of course

01:06:12.160 i went over i was like oh interesting what are you reading and uh she was reading these end time

01:06:17.300 prophecy books that were hugely popular so i decided to uh go on to other pastures but uh she

01:06:26.280 this was really popular this girl was middle class um popular among more fundamentalist types as well

01:06:35.880 but it was it was out there i think it probably is waning a little bit i think waning in the sense

01:06:42.280 that those people are going to q anon are going to kind of trump prophecies and and there's a huge

01:06:47.500 amount of overlap there are a lot of these trump prophecies done by people who are probably into

01:06:51.860 end times prophecies but um we actually did a podcast mark raman and i on the movie 1917 um directed by

01:07:00.720 um oh forgetting his name a mendez sam mendez who's an interesting director directed a james bond movie

01:07:07.720 directed a best picture winner that everyone hates now called american beauty but um that i i do believe

01:07:15.280 was a kind of coded reference to the scofield bible in fact one of the main characters is named

01:07:21.540 scofield uh but yes the scofield bible was this kind of judaization of christianity um connecting it back

01:07:30.580 uh to the jewish people and seeing zionism as a necessary step for bringing about the end times

01:07:37.060 and the end times were all around them um in the form of the first world war and even that character

01:07:43.100 played by benedict cumberbatch at the end who basically he he ultimately i mean spoiler alert

01:07:48.980 here i guess he ultimately does call off the attack but he basically is a unrepentant nihilist is just

01:07:55.220 you know whether it's today whether it's tomorrow whether it's in an hour whether it's in 10 years

01:08:00.680 we know how this is going to end and uh that kind of drive towards death uh i i think is something

01:08:09.280 that you you do see um in many of these christian groups that desire for the armageddon you're not

01:08:18.580 just warning about possible dangers you absolutely desire ragnarok to take place uh that's a very

01:08:25.780 serious issue it's a psychological issue uh among other things but i think it's also deeply rooted

01:08:31.480 rooted in judaism and christianity and jesus himself was uh clearly an apocalyptic preacher

01:08:36.380 yeah it wasn't all about love and puppies by the way no he got very angry sometimes

01:08:42.440 yes and i do i at least according to bart ehrman who's um you know this is not my field of study but

01:08:49.720 bart ehrman pretty coherently looks using textual analysis looks at um what is consistent across the

01:08:57.800 gospels and what was consistent with the time and it is a kind of in the end is nigh kind of immediate

01:09:04.220 end times and that would go for paul as well uh but again i think this is a psychological thing

01:09:09.620 maybe even freud got it right we have it we have an erotic drive libido but we might also have a death

01:09:16.840 a certain kind of death drive the ultimate way to the ultimate form of control is to end it all

01:09:22.480 who said that well it's a freud sigmund freud george floyd

01:09:27.780 the other fred sigmund freud oh sigmund freud oh okay sigmund freud yes um he wasn't nearly as

01:09:40.100 intelligent as as george floyd but uh he did he did he did have some good opinions uh okay

01:09:46.260 um here's bardemew the two-state solution i'm just reloading it just to make sure um

01:09:56.960 oh we have a couple more come in here uh the two-state solution is a zionist psyop

01:10:03.720 it justified the west bank and gaza's de facto colonial status if it was part of his israel proper

01:10:11.320 they have to develop it and give the palestinians the same rights as israel as israeli arabs

01:10:17.240 yeah i i agree i think we were actually saying as much in our in our conversation i i i said it i

01:10:24.540 mean you could call it a psyop i said the two-state solution is just bullshit and um they are going to

01:10:30.620 develop these settlements and ruin actual palestinian areas and then just and then they'll

01:10:37.020 either say look we've got a two-state solution here you go you're welcome or they'll say too

01:10:41.700 much terrorism we can't have a two-state solution it's group selection in action and the jews are

01:10:47.620 determined to win and why you know why wouldn't they be why shouldn't they be you know what you

01:10:53.760 would be if you were them it's group selection in action what we should be shocked about um the current

01:11:01.780 uh is i guess that's israel the current israel palestine palestine conflict has seen violence

01:11:08.480 between israeli citizens and the two ethnicity okay will this be an irreversible shift in the

01:11:16.660 region or will it go back to normal in the coming months um okay a bit garbled there but i'll i'll try

01:11:25.320 to make sense of that uh i do think that this will probably go back to quote normal in the next few

01:11:31.020 months i've seen probably half a dozen or or a dozen of these type scenarios throughout my adult

01:11:40.000 lifetime i can remember them every few years you have this it doesn't have this for a while it

01:11:46.040 hasn't been as bad as this for not for a while that's right but i i do think that it will go back

01:11:55.000 to normal that would be my prediction just saying past this prologue i think we're gonna have this

01:11:58.820 endless pain forever i know if i'm wrong and there is a kind of new status quo that emerges from this

01:12:05.960 uh that would be interesting i'll have to think about it and look into it

01:12:08.800 all right i have i had one question from robert of canada about the uh concept of the islamic

01:12:18.640 evil false messiah the digil or whatever it is uh so thank you for that i shall um i shall think about

01:12:25.120 about that anyway yes um okay so as opposed to buying nicholas wade's book everyone should go

01:12:31.900 we love nicholas wade he's a great guy but the book isn't that great um go read his article go buy ed's

01:12:39.760 making sense of race book you know there was this myth on myth in the contemporary sense of the word

01:12:45.320 on twitter yesterday i was really busy yesterday but i was just uh with taking care of kids but i was

01:12:51.480 just glancing at twitter occasionally that all these books were getting banned from search results

01:12:56.020 so that they were still there and then but they would kind of not show up when you searched on the

01:13:02.160 website and in the morning i went i got a little worried and i went and i searched ed dutton making

01:13:08.380 sense of race and your book wasn't showing up and so i thought oh god this is the day of the ban and

01:13:13.880 they also banned that guy who he was cancelled from apple who he wrote chaos monkeys which is a kind

01:13:19.700 of right wing hang on it's on amazon it's on amazon i checked earlier it is it's all fine and then also

01:13:27.720 a guy named um i'm forgetting his name uh guy i i'm forgetting his name at the moment um he he has a

01:13:34.160 new book called the unbroken thread which is this kind of christian what's going on then this morning

01:13:38.160 i i i don't know i i have two uh for uh understandings of it um but these are all

01:13:47.740 speculation um one of them might have been that they decided to do a shadow ban and then they got

01:13:54.160 a little pushback and maybe someone overruled them the because there were a number of books there

01:13:59.700 were probably like 20 books that are kind of right wingish or or trad or other things like that

01:14:07.640 i i think his name is amani sohan i'm amar i i'm i feel a little bit bad because he follows me on

01:14:14.720 twitter and i follow him too uh but he's he writes in the new york post he's a um i you know is a

01:14:20.820 generally good guy uh but he was complaining about books getting banned but it seemed to go away so either

01:14:27.040 it was a actual mistake a a honest mistake or that and the whole search function was screwed up for

01:14:35.500 like three hours yesterday they were practicing shadow banning and pulled back but as of right

01:14:43.660 now no shadow banning in effect no it's happened before that i've noticed stuff by mine has been

01:14:48.200 shadow banned then come back so it sounds probably more like a sort of cock up but i do think that

01:14:52.140 the only solution to amazon is it is for it to be taken to public ownership and i'll um i'll uh

01:14:57.140 all these things i agree anything that's anything that becomes too powerful anything that has more

01:15:01.400 than 50 of the market should be taken to public ownership anything that becomes the public square

01:15:06.800 it needs to be public yeah i agree more than 50 of the market it's banned public ownership

01:15:15.000 yeah anyway all right so that's pretty palestine all right uh good conversation uh thank you ed

01:15:26.000 thank you everyone who watched thank you especially everyone who gave super chats we will see you next

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RadixJournal - May 16, 2021

The Impossibility of Jewish Nationalism

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