The Myth of Ferguson
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Summary
On the heels of the verdict in the acquittals of George Zimmerman in the case of Trayvon Martin, James Wisniewski joins Richard to discuss the recent shooting of Michael Brown in the streets of Ferguson, Missouri. Richard and James discuss the similarities between the case and the Trayvon Martin case, and how the media s coverage of the Brown case is similar to that of the Martin case.
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Well, James, thanks for being back in the program. It's been a few years since you've been here.
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Well, thankfully, Richard, it hasn't been that long since we've spoken to one another, your regular guest on my show,
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and the program is always the better for it, but it is great to be back with you on your podcast today.
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I visit Radix's journal on a daily basis, at least.
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Well, the myth of Trayvon Martin seems to be fading in public memory,
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and so we now have a new racial myth for people to be obsessed with,
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and that is the myth of the gentle giant of Ferguson, a young man, troubled young man named Mr. Brown,
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and this has sparked riots, it's sparked mass protests,
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it's sparked a militarization of the police like we haven't really seen outside of international gatherings,
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and it has sparked a billion pixels of outraged commentary.
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So, let me just get your first impressions on this matter,
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because I, you know, I think every week, every news cycle,
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or, you know, there's some kind of little controversy,
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and very often it has a racial component to it,
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I think we're going to be talking about this for at least a year.
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I think it's going to be bigger than Trayvon Martin.
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I think this Ferguson, hashtag Ferguson, is here to stay.
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So, let me just, before we, you know, start diving into it,
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why don't you just tell us your impressions of it,
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and some of your initial thoughts on this matter?
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it shouldn't have even made much more than a blip on the local news.
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apparently, we'll let the facts come out and the evidence be presented,
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but apparently what we have here is a story of a police officer
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Of course, the media is sinking its teeth into this
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between the story of Ferguson and Trayvon Martin,
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I certainly wouldn't want to be in the position of this officer.
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I think what happened in the verdict of George Zimmerman
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Hopefully, the state won't cave to that pressure,
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but they certainly caved in the case of Zimmerman.
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I think if people would be directed to those articles
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probably better than I could speak it here on the radio.
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the media had this narrative written in advance,
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where they can engage in a little plug and play,
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they just change the names of the title characters
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there's this meme that he was holding up his hands
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there's other testimony that he was charging the police officer
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a convenience store some 15 minutes before the incident.
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shoplifting should not incur the death penalty.
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if you put yourself in the shoes of the police officer,
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you're dealing with someone who's quite dangerous,
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this might be a situation where you have to use deadly force.
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why do they always choose these poster boy victims that are so terrible?
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to find an example of just irrational white on black hatred and violence that,
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and they can't find anything from which to draw except what's,
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in the history of media manufactured in premeditated stunts,
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You go back to the fifties with the Rosa Parks done.
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that was something that was planned well in advance,
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they vetted parks and they had other candidates that thought to play her role,
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They're going all in with people like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown and
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his bonafide as a genuine thug are even more impressive than,
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manhandling that store clerk in the gas station.
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this guy doesn't look like the blacks that we see in insurance commercials and
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all of the evidence that has been presented so far,
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we'll talk more extensively about Ferguson this coming Saturday,
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But all of the evidence that has tripled out so far seems to back up the
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The autopsy showed that this guy was shot not while running away with his
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There was marijuana found in his system according to the autopsy,
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and just everything that's tripled out has seemed to back up the,
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the story being presented by the Ferguson police,
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at least the ones that are being showcased on television every night,
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and there's wall-to-wall coverage by all the networks,
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They are just looking for any excuse to behave as they want to behave,
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but it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
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turning this into a racial tinderbox when it should not have been a story
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to advance this narrative and to instill more white guilt and to make it,
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I just hope the state is responsible enough to,
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I hope he doesn't have to stay in trial for some sort of a crime.
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I remember this press conference where she was talking about how she spoke with,
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I just got off the phone with Trayvon Martin's parents.
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I'm kind of politically ideologically motivated.
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if the evidence proves that this cop did in fact shoot this guy for no reason other than a racist rave,
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we can't put ourselves in the minds of people who,
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I'm kind of curious about this because I'm not sure if they're capable of thought,
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but I'm not sure if they're capable of thought because this goes back to the 60s.
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when the officers of that day and age attempted to enforce the law,
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they would engage in the exact same criminal behavior.
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And when something happens that you don't like,
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filming their own lawlessness and laughing about it.
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I really couldn't tell you what the thought process is.
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certainly they've been conditioned to believe since day one by the media,
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they have been oppressed and it's 150 year delayed reaction to slavery,
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but they've been conditioned to believe that they've been put down and,
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and they're just waiting for an opportunity to act out.
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the most common sense conclusion that I can draw.
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it's all kind of hatred towards white people that they've been conditioned to feel.
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just pour in low IQ and poor impulse and you've got a power kick there.
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I don't know how you're getting back at the man by,
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and it must be a very important part of their identity in the sense that,
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certainly the media has taken the story and run with it.
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all have their different little takes on it that are all variations on the
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there actually was a kind of organic aspect of it.
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it's not like the media created this and all these,
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it has to play a really important part in the sense of identity of these people.
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It must be a very important part of their psyche.
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that kind of thinking you do before you start really thinking,
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for African Americans or for Africans in general,
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you're never going to accomplish anything when you're dominated by that kind of hatred and that kind of negative identity.
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And I know that there has to be some sensible blacks in that community that are engaged in,
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who were sure to go down there early and cash in on this.
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it all circles back in the grand scheme of things to a very universal truth.
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And I know Jerry Taylor put it succinctly that the history of race relations can be summed up in one word,
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Whenever you have different cultures and having the same living space,
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what's so bad about it is racial relations have deteriorated since the 60s.
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by engaging in the narrative that you know they're going to.
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what is the media's objective in presenting the story as they have,
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or it's almost impossible to answer definitively and succinctly.
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and these include a lot of websites that earlier would have not been thought of as mainstream,
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I don't think these are bad people who are trying to create riots or anything like that.
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I think that in a kind of postmodern world where they don't have,
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there's really kind of nothing in the way of spirituality,
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where there's nothing in the way of grand ideals outside of some,
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notion of tolerance and democracy or something like that.
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this must be an important part of their sense of identity.
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I think it's an important part of the sense of identity of liberal whites as well.
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that political correctness is certainly the state religion in America.
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And perhaps this is their way of worshiping that God,
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by going up and prostrating themselves in front of everyone to show that they are a true believer
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And that's another thing that is a pathological weakness of whites more than any other race,
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there are certain fundamental things in life that we all need to survive,
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And I guess these people believe that this is how they will earn that
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and continue to be invited to the right tea parties.
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And they know that they'll keep their job by saying this,
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I was talking with my father about this last night.
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I was at my parents' house last night for a visit,
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and we were watching some of the Fox News coverage of it.
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And Megan Kelly has actually done a better than average job for a mainstream anchor.
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I was pleasantly surprised with the way she's handled this,
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and of course we've watched some of the other network coverage as well.
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and not only try to lead us to believe their vision,
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but could they actually see it that way themselves?
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and in the heart of hearts believe what they're saying?
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that goes to prove that liberalism is truly a mental illness.
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this idea that you're a part of something bigger than yourself,
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And that holds for everyone throughout world history.
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they're in a way coming from white privilege, so to speak.
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And they don't feel like their life has a great deal of meaning.
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and sending Twitter messages to their friends and things like this.
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And this is a chance for them to be a part of something
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and I think it's wrong for us to discount that power that this has.
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and he was dropping all of the typical buzzwords.
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what precipitated the police's breakup of your,
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I wonder if he would walk down the streets of Ferguson,
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one survival strategy is to present yourself as utterly weak.
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but do they believe that this is going to be a long-term solution,
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that this is going to be something that's going to save America,
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how many trillions of dollars have been redistributed in wealth to the blacks over the course of,
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we're talking about people out there protesting.
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these are young people who have existed in a world in which everyone denounces white racism and the evil, dark history of America and blah, blah, blah.
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they feel that they are sovereign and that they have authority and they can do this.
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genetic predisposition in nature is going to reign and nothing's going to change that.
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certainly you can change your life and life and you can choose not to believe in what your parents believed in.
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And you can make certain choices that are free will.
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you're born with it and that's what you're going to be.
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if you rolled in there and you put down the insurrection,
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for God knows how long every night and closing downtown?
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I don't think this is going to go away for a year at the very least.
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we've already seen a complimentary protest around the country and Times Square and elsewhere.
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even a lot of this might even have to do with the weather to be frank.
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we've only seen the first act of this play and there's going to be big,
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that they are so beholden to mob rule or Twitter rule that they are going to prosecute the,
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I do think that this round of writing will surely decline,
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you never want to make a bold prediction like Dick Morris predicting the Romney landslide win the night before the election.
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But I think there are certain elements in play here that lead me to believe that there is all the potential there.
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And then some to make this the single biggest story that I've ever covered in my 10 years on the radio.
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all of the rancor of the Trayvon Martin situation,
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you're going to take the snowball effect on Trayvon Martin and add to that this.
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the real victim here is the guy that the police officer had his eye pocket smashed in before he was able to protect himself.
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But you've also got the governor of Missouri in the tank and against the law enforcement officials there and against his police officers.
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they didn't want to press charges against Zimmerman,
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There's certainly going to be even more pressure here to levy anandad of the charges against this fellow.
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And that's when you get an extended shelf life of this thing,
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because once charges are filed and once there is the inevitable trial,
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It'll be at least a year for the trial to get through and all that, if it all goes down.
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So if that happens, yes, it will continue to simmer, it will continue to boil, and it will continue to get worse.
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I mean, this is a prime example of what happens when you've got too much diversity.
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And it will continue to happen as they get more emboldened, as they get more entitled.
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And it's coming soon, I think, you know, again, to reference those excellent pieces at Radix and American Renaissance.
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It's coming soon to a city near you, if there's sufficient diversity in your area.
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All of these people see it as their job to enforce political correctness, be it the attorney general, be it the governor of Missouri, be it the media.
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And interpretation of the laws are subject to political correctness as well, I guess.
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And perhaps that's always been the case, to be honest.
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But, yeah, I think I would add in here this other meme that's been very important with this case.
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And this didn't raise its head with the Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin case.
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And I just want to mention real quickly just a little bit of personal history.
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I actually lived in Toronto, Canada, for a little while.
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And while I was there, there was a G8 or G12 meeting.
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But, essentially, every head of state of the largest economies in the world will come and meet.
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You know, America, Canada, China, Russia, Germany, so on and so forth.
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And, essentially, when you have that many heads of state in one area, it effectively becomes a police state.
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I actually wrote an article on it, which I'll link to.
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It's that Anarcho-Tyranny was Sam Francis' favorite concept about how, oftentimes, the police will not do what they should be doing.
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And then they will actually, they will not keep order, which is what they should do.
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They will actually use force in order to create chaos and kind of anarcho-tyranny.
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And I think this is the ultimate example of that.
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It really was, I would say, surreal to be there.
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And I was with my wife, and we were just walking around downtown Toronto.
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And it was almost like being in a zombie apocalypse or world war or economic collapse or whatever.
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You were just, imagine walking in a, you know, New York City or wherever.
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Everyone is either, they have left or they are locked themselves in their apartment.
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A lot of these people are kind of like post-modern protesters doing like performance art and all this kind of stuff.
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And then you have these police that really are the military.
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I mean, they have, they are armored, they have major guns.
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I mean, you, it is, I totally understand the why people are concerned about this issue.
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I mean, you don't want to mess with these people.
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Then you have, you know, some rioters smashing up like a Starbucks or something like that.
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You have this, the typical kind of mob mentality where someone will say something and a rumor will spread and everyone will run one way.
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It was probably dangerous for me to be out there, but it was, wow.
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So, so I think I, I, I understand a great deal of the concern that people have about Ferguson and the militarization of the police at the shows.
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But again, I think this really, this really gets at what you were just talking about before.
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And, you know, you can't, we can't get away from the realities of biology, the realities of race, and that there are going to be consequences to this fact.
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And, you know, and these, and quite frankly, you know, what is happening in Ferguson in terms of the, the violence and, and the, the kind of crazed protest and so on and so forth.
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That is basically just a little more spectacular than what you'd see in a black neighborhood seven days a week.
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And we, you know, you know, we, it's almost like we're in this horrible situation where we don't want to admit that reality.
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And so we keep having a big arms build up as just a way of denying it all.
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So we're going to have, we have the largest prison system in the world.
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Everyone wants to talk about how Russia or China are totalitarian.
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We have so many more people in prison at the moment than China.
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Well, I think it has a lot to do with those things that we think don't exist.
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I, the realities of biology, the realities of race.
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And it's like Americans want to just continually deny these things.
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And our way of denying it is to create a militarized police, create a prison population, create all this stuff.
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There's trillions of dollars of infrastructure as a way of lying to ourselves.
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That's the thing that these libertarians are missing, which is, of course, not surprising.
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But, you know, like, oh, it's so terrible that they're using rubber bullets.
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I do, I agree, like, you should never, you should only point a gun at someone if you're willing to pull the trigger.
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Like, you do not want to be pointing guns at anyone.
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You're just going to inspire people to run or kill you or whatever.
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I don't want to live in a society where the military is creating law and order on the street and are pushing people around.
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I want to live in a peaceful society where, you know, needless to say, I think that's true.
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But, again, you can't understand what's happening to the police unless you understand what is truly causing it.
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And that's something that Americans, we don't want to understand, we don't want to ultimately talk about.
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That's basically my kind of take on this whole militarization.
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Well, that was a great assessment of the issue, Richard, and I'm glad you came back to this because we were talking about it before the taping began, and I wanted to chime in on this.
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You mentioned, though, first, you know, peace, living in a peaceful society.
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I mean, the only way you're going to live in a relatively peaceful society is if you live in a racially homogenous society.
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And, you know, as long as we are blessed with multiculturalism, we're going to continue to reap all of the benefits of multiculturalism, and that is, of course, what you're seeing in Ferguson.
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If Ferguson was an all-white town, none of this would have happened, and none of this would be happening.
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And I think that goes without saying, but, I mean, yeah, obviously, and ultimately, I'm against the militarization of the police.
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You know, you go back to the 60s when the National Guard was mobilized to basically force the southern states to break their own laws, I guess.
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And I was against it then, and I want to be consistent here.
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And certainly I didn't think it was necessary to do what they did in Boston in response to the marathon bombings.
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And I think every time you see a militarization of the police, and it's happening obviously more frequently now than ever, it tenderizes the American public into acceptance.
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And you don't want to get into the point where it just becomes commonplace for this to occur because then you get complacent to the point of what happens when they roll into your town.
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And when they roll into your town to do things that they shouldn't be doing.
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Now, in this case, in Ferguson, obviously, would they have a police force of less than 100?
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And so, you know, I guess if you frame it in a way of asking yourself on any given issue or any given scenario, if you base your decision to the answer of, is it good for our people?
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I think in this case, you know, they need more of a police force than what they had on hand to deal with the rioters.
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And so, you know, I guess in a way in Ferguson, not to contradict myself or sound hypocritical, I'm glad that there's more of a force there in order to, because who knows what would happen.
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But again, maybe that's something we should find out.
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If all the white people left, if all the people who tried to maintain law and order left Ferguson and just let them have it and see what happened, that would be a pretty interesting case study.
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Yeah, that's more or less how I feel about these things at this point.
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I don't want to sound like I'm some kind of nihilist, but I really, yeah, maybe we should face the consequences of our belief structure.
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I mean, I couldn't see all of the decent people of Ferguson and the police are leaving.
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But, I mean, look at what happened when they tried to enforce the law.
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I mean, it doesn't pay, it didn't pay for this guy to protect himself and pay for this guy to defend himself and to try to enforce the law.
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I mean, he's going to pay for it very dearly, and certainly he already has, and it's only going to get worse for this police officer.
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So if this is what you get for following the book and implementing the rules, what incentive is there?
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And I guarantee you that that's going through the minds of a lot of those, I don't know if they're soldiers or, you know, whatever the peacekeeping force is up there.
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You know that's got to be going through their mind.
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Can they do anything to repel an attack from a black person without risking them for the rest of their lives?
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James, this has been an excellent conversation, and unfortunately, I believe we might have to have you on again to talk about Ferguson,
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because as I said before, I don't think this is going away.
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But before you go, please just talk a little bit about this really interesting situation and opportunity that you had to speak with a man named Anthony Cumia.
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He's actually involved with a, or he was involved with a show called Opie and Anthony, which I wasn't really aware of myself, but I think it is very popular on, you know, on Sirius FM.
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And he actually got into a race controversy of his own, and you actually had him on, and I thought was really remarkable is that he faced all of the slings and arrows of political correctness, and he actually has not backed down.
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And he's found a way to make a living and actually remain a success despite this kind of, you know, witch hunt, highly predictable witch hunt that ensued.
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So, before you go, just tell us a little bit about that story, and then tell us a little bit about your interview of Cumia.
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And before I do that, I want to thank you again for having me on.
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It's been a very intellectually stimulating experience and conversation, as it always is when we speak.
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But, you know, Anthony Cumia, like you, I had heard of the Opie and Anthony show.
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And I just knew that it was a very big program.
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I only say poor because compared to Howard Stern, their audience isn't as big.
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And then they got picked up by Sirius XM Satellite Radio.
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And so this guy, you know, was making, I would assume, you know, high six, low seven-figure salary.
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A very big show, you know, a very big audience.
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And about a month ago, or a little more than that, I guess, he was in Times Square taking pictures, as people do in Times Square.
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And he was, for no reason, apparently accosted by a black woman.
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And he got to see diversity up close and personal.
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But now, come to find out, I'm doing research on him after I had him on the show.
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I learned more about him after we had him on the show than I ever knew about him during the course of the interview.
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But he had spoken, very frankly, about race for years now on satellite radio, time to time interjecting it.
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But what got him in hot water was after this alleged assault at the hands of this black woman,
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who thought erroneously that he was taking pictures of her.
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Or he posted to Twitter, I mean, she, you know, verbally abused him and was punching him.
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He said he never felt that his life was in danger.
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But in the moments after the attack, he got onto Twitter and called her an animal,
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along with some very other, you know, salty adjectives.
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And talked about the problem of violence in the black community and called her savage and this, that, you know,
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Not to say that it wasn't true in that example.
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But immediately after the find, he said he's never going to apologize.
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He's not going to pretend that he didn't mean what he said.
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If he had it to do over again, he would do the exact same thing.
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And that certainly was very eye-opening to me after I picked up on it.
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And I picked up on it, you know, this started to circulate among the usual suspects in our ranks.
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And I read about this story on a few different websites.
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And so we contacted him and asked him to come on the show, which he did about three weeks ago, I guess it was.
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And it made, you know, fairly significant news.
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I won't say it made national news in terms of, you know, you could have seen coverage of it on CNN or Fox or any of those.
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And then a lot of the left-wing websites, like some of the ones you've mentioned, the Daily Beast and some of these others,
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or Daily Banter and some of these, it made pretty big news.
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I think at the end of the day, it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe that, you know, probably 100,000 people
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either heard about it on our radio program or watched it on YouTube or read about it on some of these other sites.
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I know there were, you know, a few thousand likes on the Media Matters article alone in response to this.
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So, but he came on the show for an hour, and I really didn't know exactly where he would go with this,
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because, again, I didn't have a lot of information about him at the time.
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But if you listen to that hour interview that we did with Anthony Cumia, it's really no different at all.
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In the conversation we've had for the last hour, Richard, it was just, it wasn't over the top.
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He just talked very openly about race and was surprisingly frank.
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And so, at the end of the day, you know, we don't want to over-exaggerate the significance of this.
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As I said to you before, you know, no one's going to confuse Anthony Cumia with Jan Sobieski
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But what you do have here, and this is a fact, you have the biggest celebrity to date
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to come out and explicitly offer pro-white commentary and refuse to apologize.
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And after all of this, you know, hysterical reaction to his interview on the political
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cesspool came to light, he dabbled down and defended us on his program.
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And as a matter of fact, just before, if I could add this, just to put the cherry on top,
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a couple of weeks before we even had Anthony Cumia on, we also welcomed a gentleman by the
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Sean Bergen was a former reporter for News 12 in New York and New Jersey, a very major
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television outlet up there, and he was fired for editorializing in an on-air live story
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that dealt with a black man, young black man, or a teen, I guess we should call him a teen
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or a youth, but it was a young black man, he shot a police officer, a rookie cop, shot
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He shot a rookie cop and killed him, and the wife of this cherub said that the only problem
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And so in hearing this live and on the air, Bergen said that there's a problem with black
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violence, and part of the problem stems from fatherlessness.
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And certainly we would agree that illegitimacy probably has a negative impact on anyone, including
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blacks, but that's by no means the biggest problem, but just by suggesting that illegitimacy
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plays a role in the way that they act, got him fired.
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Well, to make a long story short, he too was on our show, and now he and Cumia are working
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together, he's basically the co-host of the new Anthony Cumia show, which is the pay-per-view
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online thing, but I think it's $6.95 a month and he already has 40 or 50,000 subscribers,
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so it just goes to show that you don't necessarily have to be ruined, and you don't necessarily
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have to sacrifice your integrity and dignity and offer these fake apologies like we've seen
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He's still making bank, and he's still interviewing celebrity guests, and he hasn't lost any of
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his friendships, at least as far as I know, and we've talked about that in the interview
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But here's this other guy, you know, another mainstream news figure, or at least formerly
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so, Sean Bergen, and now they're working together after both having appearances within
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a couple of weeks of one another on my show, so this could be a positive trend.
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I mean, again, maybe it will be, maybe it won't, but, and I don't like to put a lot of
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I don't think we should look to them for leadership or guidance, but the fact of the matter is all
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revolutions are top-down, and it's going to take people with power, it's going to take
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businessmen, it's going to take elected officials like Mo Brooks in Alabama.
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You've got a congressman there saying that there's a war being waged against whites, and
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all of this has happened within the last month, in Bergen, Cumia, Mo Brooks in Alabama, the
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Maybe things are beginning to shift a little bit.
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It's still too early to say, you know, certainly we don't have enough to constitute a trend,
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but that is three fairly significant examples in relatively short order, and we can only
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hope that more people begin to see the light and speak up about this, because it will take,
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it will take people, it will take celebrities, I hate to say it, to get, you know, the bread
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You know, you've got to make these issues trendy and fashionable and in vogue, and we can present
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all the data and all of the facts until we're blue in the face, but unfortunately, to reach
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the rank and file middle American, it's going to take people that they know, and, you know,
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hopefully the V3 will be the beginning of something much bigger.
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I totally agree, and I just think, you know, saying no to PC and the substitute religion
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You know, I mean, it's a necessary step, and it's a start, and maybe we're seeing this
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So, but James, thank you for being back on, and thank you for offering your insights, and
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I certainly want to have you on sooner than later.
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I think we had too long a hiatus in between interviews on the podcast, so hopefully you'll
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Love the work you're doing with Radix, and big fan, and look forward to doing it again
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soon, and having you on my program in the meantime.
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Gleisch Falls, as they say in Germany, likewise.