RadixJournal - The Myth of Ferguson

00:00:00.360 Well, James, thanks for being back in the program. It's been a few years since you've been here.

00:00:06.280 Well, thankfully, Richard, it hasn't been that long since we've spoken to one another, your regular guest on my show,

00:00:11.520 and the program is always the better for it, but it is great to be back with you on your podcast today.

00:00:16.360 I visit Radix's journal on a daily basis, at least.

00:00:21.300 Great. That is good to hear.

00:00:22.540 Well, the myth of Trayvon Martin seems to be fading in public memory,

00:00:30.320 and so we now have a new racial myth for people to be obsessed with,

00:00:36.980 and that is the myth of the gentle giant of Ferguson, a young man, troubled young man named Mr. Brown,

00:00:45.500 who was shot just around two weeks ago,

00:00:50.140 and this has sparked riots, it's sparked mass protests,

00:00:54.980 it's sparked a militarization of the police like we haven't really seen outside of international gatherings,

00:01:04.920 you know, G8 summits and things like that,

00:01:07.120 and it has sparked a billion pixels of outraged commentary.

00:01:14.020 So, let me just get your first impressions on this matter,

00:01:18.700 because I, you know, I think every week, every news cycle,

00:01:22.800 or, you know, there's some kind of little controversy,

00:01:25.800 and very often it has a racial component to it,

00:01:29.740 but I actually think this is bigger.

00:01:31.640 I think we're going to be talking about this for at least a year.

00:01:34.900 I think it's going to be bigger than Trayvon Martin.

00:01:37.240 I think this Ferguson, hashtag Ferguson, is here to stay.

00:01:41.680 I think it's going to be huge.

00:01:44.000 So, let me just, before we, you know, start diving into it,

00:01:47.380 why don't you just tell us your impressions of it,

00:01:51.000 and some of your initial thoughts on this matter?

00:01:54.320 Well, the scope of this story,

00:01:57.040 and it's a media manufactured story,

00:01:58.840 let's make no mistake about that,

00:02:00.080 it shouldn't have even made much more than a blip on the local news.

00:02:03.280 I mean, obviously what we have here,

00:02:05.420 apparently, we'll let the facts come out and the evidence be presented,

00:02:09.120 but apparently what we have here is a story of a police officer

00:02:13.140 using self-defense as he saw fit,

00:02:16.100 and this should have not been a story.

00:02:17.940 Of course, the media is sinking its teeth into this

00:02:19.940 and making it into, as you mentioned,

00:02:21.840 there are so many common denominators

00:02:23.320 between the story of Ferguson and Trayvon Martin,

00:02:25.940 and I completely agree with your assessment

00:02:27.520 that the story here is bigger,

00:02:31.580 and it is worse than the Trayvon Martin thing.

00:02:34.120 We'll see how it plays out.

00:02:35.700 I certainly wouldn't want to be in the position of this officer.

00:02:38.940 I think what happened in the verdict of George Zimmerman

00:02:42.500 was almost miraculous,

00:02:44.520 that justice was served in that case.

00:02:48.120 In a way, both of these men 1.00

00:02:51.020 would have probably been better off dead 0.51

00:02:53.140 than having to survive

00:02:54.380 what the media is going to inflict upon them

00:02:57.820 as they live the rest of their lives,

00:03:00.080 and hopefully this officer won't be indicted.

00:03:01.960 Hopefully, the state won't cave to that pressure,

00:03:04.600 but they certainly caved in the case of Zimmerman.

00:03:06.640 But you asked my initial take on it.

00:03:08.860 Again, there's just so many different facets

00:03:11.400 and aspects of this.

00:03:12.560 You don't really know where to start

00:03:13.880 when delivering a commentary on the matter.

00:03:17.740 As I said to you before we started taping,

00:03:20.860 the excellent, and I do mean excellent pieces,

00:03:23.360 by Michael McGregor on your website

00:03:24.920 and by Gregory Hood on Amran,

00:03:26.380 and take everything that I felt

00:03:28.600 in an initial emotional response

00:03:32.320 and put it into a very articulate word form.

00:03:34.860 I think if people would be directed to those articles

00:03:37.320 and could read what those two gentlemen wrote,

00:03:39.640 it would put my take on the matter

00:03:42.560 probably better than I could speak it here on the radio.

00:03:45.920 So I would go to those two pieces.

00:03:48.020 But this is bad news.

00:03:50.220 I mean, to say the least,

00:03:51.580 the media had this narrative written in advance,

00:03:53.720 and they always have their narrative written.

00:03:56.020 And then when they find an opportunity

00:03:57.800 where they can engage in a little plug and play,

00:04:01.740 they just change the names of the title characters

00:04:04.600 and a few of the details,

00:04:05.920 and here we go again.

00:04:07.100 I mean, similarities between this

00:04:08.720 and the Trayvon Martin incident

00:04:10.060 couldn't be more stark.

00:04:12.500 Yeah, I mean, and it does seem to be,

00:04:15.120 there is this narrative,

00:04:16.340 this deeper narrative

00:04:18.000 that's at the base of the media's brains.

00:04:22.820 And then they'll find something

00:04:25.980 and they'll just latch onto it,

00:04:27.480 and this is it.

00:04:28.660 I remember, just because this has

00:04:31.000 a lot of personal significance to me

00:04:33.020 because I was there at the time,

00:04:35.000 but the Duke lacrosse scandal

00:04:37.040 was the ultimate of that.

00:04:39.580 Of the idea of a dozen preppy athletes,

00:04:44.420 jocks at Duke, 1.00

00:04:46.280 gang raping a black woman. 1.00

00:04:48.040 That was just too good to be true. 1.00

00:04:50.300 That was the horrible gothic fantasy

00:04:52.980 of professors and media types

00:04:57.240 and things like this.

00:04:58.420 And they just,

00:04:59.460 and prosecutors,

00:05:00.440 I should also imagine,

00:05:02.080 prosecutors who were in an election year,

00:05:04.960 a prosecutor named Michael Nyfong,

00:05:07.460 who's kind of become proverbial

00:05:09.460 for misconduct.

00:05:11.140 Anyway, yeah,

00:05:13.000 it just,

00:05:13.580 they had this fantasy in their mind,

00:05:15.660 and they see something

00:05:16.560 that seems to fit it,

00:05:18.400 and to fit the script,

00:05:19.780 and they just jump on it.

00:05:21.720 And it seems like also,

00:05:23.380 invariably,

00:05:24.880 the victims they choose

00:05:27.640 seem to really not,

00:05:30.220 they don't,

00:05:31.440 they seem to almost invariably

00:05:32.640 choose the worst possible poster voice.

00:05:35.600 Like, you know,

00:05:36.560 I mean,

00:05:37.080 I could go,

00:05:37.580 I'll let you talk,

00:05:38.500 I just want to,

00:05:39.060 you know,

00:05:39.220 mention,

00:05:39.520 you know,

00:05:39.640 there's a Tawana Browley

00:05:40.720 from,

00:05:41.280 I think,

00:05:41.480 1980,

00:05:42.260 you know,

00:05:42.660 that was a legendary hoax.

00:05:44.620 You know,

00:05:44.920 this woman,

00:05:46.340 the Duke Lacrosse stripper,

00:05:47.820 who was not raped,

00:05:49.440 but was accused,

00:05:50.440 she turns into someone,

00:05:51.600 again,

00:05:51.960 it's not even that she hates 0.88

00:05:53.360 white people or something, 1.00

00:05:54.440 she's a mentally disturbed person. 1.00

00:05:57.300 And, 1.00

00:05:57.780 you know,

00:05:58.180 the worst possible poster boy for,

00:06:01.460 or poster girl for something like this.

00:06:03.520 And,

00:06:03.920 you know,

00:06:04.560 again,

00:06:04.980 Trayvon Marden,

00:06:05.760 we don't have to go into that.

00:06:06.920 Now,

00:06:07.580 with Brown,

00:06:10.000 you know,

00:06:10.280 again,

00:06:10.760 the notion that he's just some gentle giant

00:06:13.600 who was executed by a racist cop,

00:06:16.560 this seems crazy. 0.81

00:06:18.140 He,

00:06:18.680 there is a lot of evidence,

00:06:20.000 and of course,

00:06:20.400 I will keep an open mind.

00:06:21.680 I mean,

00:06:21.880 certainly if the police officer is guilty,

00:06:24.240 that's,

00:06:24.620 you know,

00:06:25.200 without question.

00:06:25.960 It's a matter of facts.

00:06:27.980 But,

00:06:28.360 it seems clear that Brown beat him severely

00:06:32.100 before the shooting.

00:06:33.720 There's this,

00:06:34.160 there's this meme that he was holding up his hands

00:06:36.760 that everyone's reproducing.

00:06:38.180 Well,

00:06:38.520 there's other testimony that he was charging the police officer

00:06:42.320 before he was shot.

00:06:43.980 There is video evidence of him robbing a,

00:06:48.300 a convenience store some 15 minutes before the incident.

00:06:52.040 I mean,

00:06:52.500 you know,

00:06:52.780 again,

00:06:53.200 none of those things,

00:06:54.380 you know,

00:06:55.020 you just,

00:06:55.760 shoplifting should not incur the death penalty.

00:06:59.100 I mean,

00:06:59.240 no,

00:06:59.380 no one's saying that.

00:07:00.480 But again,

00:07:01.240 it just,

00:07:01.920 he,

00:07:02.560 this complicates the story to say the least.

00:07:05.400 It leads you to,

00:07:06.680 if you put yourself in the shoes of the police officer,

00:07:10.340 you're dealing with someone who's quite dangerous,

00:07:12.940 someone who's physically assaulted you,

00:07:14.660 someone who's charging you.

00:07:16.100 I think any reasonable person could say that

00:07:18.540 this might be a situation where you have to use deadly force.

00:07:22.060 And,

00:07:22.420 but anyway,

00:07:23.280 what is,

00:07:23.900 so,

00:07:24.260 you know,

00:07:24.600 why is it,

00:07:25.720 why do they always choose these poster boy victims that are so terrible?

00:07:31.740 Well,

00:07:32.180 they are so,

00:07:32.760 I'll tell you what I think it is,

00:07:34.100 is that they are so starved,

00:07:35.800 so starved, 0.99

00:07:37.180 to find an example of just irrational white on black hatred and violence that, 0.79

00:07:43.420 and they can't find anything from which to draw except what's,

00:07:47.100 what's out there.

00:07:48.160 And,

00:07:48.360 you know,

00:07:48.880 for the last couple of years,

00:07:49.920 all we've seen is this George Zimmerman,

00:07:53.360 not even a white guy, 0.95

00:07:54.520 cast to play the role of the white racist. 0.98

00:07:56.500 And then, 0.97

00:07:56.880 of course,

00:07:57.160 the Trayvon Martin thing.

00:07:58.340 I mean,

00:07:58.500 we've talked about that extensively.

00:08:00.080 Everybody knows what happened there.

00:08:01.620 And then justice was served in the end,

00:08:03.080 but barely.

00:08:04.260 And then,

00:08:04.820 and then this guy,

00:08:06.000 but,

00:08:06.600 you know,

00:08:06.760 in the history of media manufactured in premeditated stunts,

00:08:13.420 they've really let down their guard.

00:08:15.640 You go back to the fifties with the Rosa Parks done.

00:08:18.220 I mean,

00:08:18.340 that was something that was planned well in advance,

00:08:20.240 but at least it was planned well.

00:08:21.660 I mean,

00:08:21.820 they,

00:08:22.000 they vetted parks and they had other candidates that thought to play her role, 0.92

00:08:26.120 but you know,

00:08:26.960 they have the meek,

00:08:28.740 soft-spoken seamstress.

00:08:30.300 I mean,

00:08:30.660 that fits the script,

00:08:31.640 but now they're investing in it.

00:08:32.860 They're going all in with people like Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown and

00:08:35.520 Michael Brown,

00:08:36.360 his bonafide as a genuine thug are even more impressive than,

00:08:41.800 than Martin's were.

00:08:42.800 I mean,

00:08:42.980 you see what he did,

00:08:45.200 manhandling that store clerk in the gas station.

00:08:49.180 He's flashing,

00:08:50.040 you know,

00:08:51.240 gang signs.

00:08:52.000 I mean,

00:08:52.140 just look at him,

00:08:53.100 folks,

00:08:53.360 just look at him.

00:08:54.200 I mean,

00:08:54.760 you know,

00:08:55.720 stereotypes exist for a reason.

00:08:57.780 And then,

00:08:58.100 you know,

00:08:58.720 this guy doesn't look like the blacks that we see in insurance commercials and 0.95

00:09:03.140 saving the day and 24 and things like that.

00:09:06.040 I mean,

00:09:06.400 and then all this rioting,

00:09:08.260 I mean,

00:09:08.720 for God's sake,

00:09:09.540 what are they rioting about?

00:09:10.840 I mean,

00:09:10.980 all of the evidence that has been presented so far,

00:09:14.440 and I'm like you,

00:09:15.120 Richard,

00:09:15.360 and I've said this,

00:09:15.980 I said this on my show last week,

00:09:17.520 we'll talk more extensively about Ferguson this coming Saturday,

00:09:22.040 and I'm sure for weeks to come.

00:09:23.260 But all of the evidence that has tripled out so far seems to back up the

00:09:30.100 narrative.

00:09:31.040 I mean,

00:09:31.200 this white cop,

00:09:32.300 the 28-year-old cop,

00:09:33.380 seems to be a poster boy for,

00:09:35.420 you know,

00:09:37.720 middle America.

00:09:38.360 He has a sterling record.

00:09:40.360 The autopsy showed that this guy was shot not while running away with his

00:09:45.440 hands up,

00:09:45.900 but while charging towards him.

00:09:47.020 We know he was on drugs.

00:09:48.160 There was marijuana found in his system according to the autopsy,

00:09:51.340 and just everything that's tripled out has seemed to back up the,

00:09:55.660 the story being presented by the Ferguson police,

00:09:58.880 but it's black.

00:10:01.120 It would appear,

00:10:01.940 at least the ones that are being showcased on television every night,

00:10:06.380 and there's wall-to-wall coverage by all the networks,

00:10:08.280 the low IQ,

00:10:09.520 poor impulse control,

00:10:10.800 a lot of them.

00:10:13.400 They are just looking for any excuse to behave as they want to behave,

00:10:19.480 I guess.

00:10:20.200 And it's just,

00:10:21.360 I don't know.

00:10:22.260 I would not want to live in Ferguson,

00:10:24.180 but it's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.

00:10:26.260 And you've got Obama.

00:10:27.120 You've of course got the entire media,

00:10:28.820 Eric Holder,

00:10:29.340 all fanning the plane,

00:10:30.820 turning this into a racial tinderbox when it should not have been a story

00:10:34.860 at all.

00:10:35.280 But again,

00:10:35.740 they're just so starved to,

00:10:37.000 to advance this narrative and to instill more white guilt and to make it,

00:10:41.000 I guess,

00:10:41.960 self-defense is,

00:10:43.660 you know,

00:10:44.040 criminalized self-defense.

00:10:45.260 I don't know what the end game is here,

00:10:46.920 but they backed the wrong horse.

00:10:49.400 I just hope the state is responsible enough to,

00:10:51.840 to,

00:10:52.700 you know,

00:10:53.120 I hope this guy receives no indictment.

00:10:56.300 I hope he doesn't have to stay in trial for some sort of a crime.

00:10:58.860 Yeah.

00:10:59.780 Yeah.

00:11:00.060 Well,

00:11:00.380 you know,

00:11:00.600 I just going back to the Zimmerman case,

00:11:02.880 which is such a clear analog.

00:11:05.400 I,

00:11:05.920 I found that that prosecutor,

00:11:08.120 I'm forgetting her name at the,

00:11:09.580 at the moment,

00:11:10.180 but she just seemed like some awful woman. 1.00

00:11:12.820 I just,

00:11:13.420 I remember this press conference where she was talking about how she spoke with,

00:11:17.720 Oh,

00:11:17.940 I just got off the phone with Trayvon Martin's parents.

00:11:21.440 And we just,

00:11:22.020 and I was just watching this and I was like,

00:11:23.880 do you take your job seriously?

00:11:27.440 Like,

00:11:27.680 this is not about boosting the self-esteem of,

00:11:31.860 of Trayvon Martin's parents or something.

00:11:35.000 This, 1.00

00:11:35.220 this is serious shit. 1.00

00:11:37.520 You know, 1.00

00:11:38.060 you don't,

00:11:38.980 I,

00:11:39.800 I don't know.

00:11:40.520 I,

00:11:40.620 I just,

00:11:40.860 I'm kind of politically ideologically motivated.

00:11:43.920 I'm like you,

00:11:44.640 I mean,

00:11:44.840 I'm fair enough and reasonable enough to say,

00:11:46.740 if the evidence proves that this cop did in fact shoot this guy for no reason other than a racist rave,

00:11:52.040 then,

00:11:52.380 you know,

00:11:52.600 justice should be served to him as well.

00:11:54.860 Right.

00:11:55.280 But I,

00:11:55.680 I'm not seeing that Richard.

00:11:56.920 Now,

00:11:57.140 frankly,

00:11:57.600 I've never seen it.

00:11:58.580 Not in my lifetime.

00:11:59.800 No,

00:12:00.300 no,

00:12:00.600 I've never seen anything like that.

00:12:02.060 What,

00:12:02.280 why do you think,

00:12:03.220 what do you think is,

00:12:04.480 I mean,

00:12:04.740 I,

00:12:04.880 I,

00:12:05.220 obviously we,

00:12:05.840 we can't put ourselves in the minds of people who, 0.94

00:12:08.440 the blacks who are writing, 0.92

00:12:10.300 uh, 0.64

00:12:10.620 or,

00:12:10.840 or even the,

00:12:11.440 the,

00:12:11.640 the kind of mass protest.

00:12:13.220 Uh,

00:12:13.400 but what,

00:12:13.680 what do you think,

00:12:14.620 what do you think they're thinking in a way?

00:12:16.240 I,

00:12:16.400 I'm,

00:12:16.680 I'm kind of curious about this because I'm not sure if they're capable of thought,

00:12:19.980 and I'm not trying to be cute here,

00:12:21.660 but I'm not sure if they're capable of thought because this goes back to the 60s.

00:12:24.900 Yeah.

00:12:25.140 I mean,

00:12:25.380 this,

00:12:25.700 you're talking about people,

00:12:27.680 generations beyond that,

00:12:29.720 but what happened in the 60s when,

00:12:31.580 when people,

00:12:32.800 when the officers of that day and age attempted to enforce the law,

00:12:37.140 they would engage in the exact same criminal behavior.

00:12:40.320 They would burn down their own neighborhoods.

00:12:42.060 They would loot their own stores.

00:12:43.400 I don't see the,

00:12:44.960 the logic.

00:12:45.520 And when something happens that you don't like,

00:12:47.480 you make it worse by,

00:12:48.720 by just tearing up your own area and,

00:12:52.760 and then filming it and laughing.

00:12:54.700 You know,

00:12:54.820 you see all these YouTube videos of,

00:12:56.680 uh,

00:12:57.020 uh,

00:12:57.340 you know,

00:12:58.860 filming their own lawlessness and laughing about it.

00:13:01.200 I,

00:13:01.520 I really couldn't tell you what the thought process is.

00:13:04.180 Now,

00:13:04.340 certainly they've been conditioned to believe since day one by the media,

00:13:08.220 by the government,

00:13:08.820 that,

00:13:11.040 you know,

00:13:12.020 they have been oppressed and it's 150 year delayed reaction to slavery,

00:13:16.580 I guess,

00:13:17.260 but they've been conditioned to believe that they've been put down and,

00:13:20.800 and they're just waiting for an opportunity to act out.

00:13:23.780 I mean,

00:13:24.060 that's the,

00:13:24.420 the most common sense conclusion that I can draw.

00:13:29.120 Yeah.

00:13:29.700 And it must be a,

00:13:30.700 it's all kind of hatred towards white people that they've been conditioned to feel.

00:13:33.940 Yeah.

00:13:34.300 And then you,

00:13:34.740 again,

00:13:35.000 just pour in low IQ and poor impulse and you've got a power kick there.

00:13:38.480 But,

00:13:38.720 but why burn down your own neighborhood?

00:13:40.880 Why,

00:13:41.140 why rob your own story?

00:13:42.260 It just,

00:13:42.600 it just doesn't begin to make sense.

00:13:43.700 I don't know how you're getting back at the man by,

00:13:45.600 by doing that.

00:13:47.060 No,

00:13:47.340 I mean,

00:13:47.560 and it must be a very important part of their identity in the sense that,

00:13:51.460 because remember,

00:13:52.100 this wasn't the story.

00:13:54.820 The story,

00:13:55.960 certainly the media has taken the story and run with it.

00:13:59.100 And,

00:13:59.560 you know,

00:13:59.980 it's dominating Twitter.

00:14:02.640 It's dominating all these,

00:14:04.320 uh,

00:14:04.640 other websites,

00:14:05.980 um,

00:14:06.420 liberals and leftists of all kinds,

00:14:08.480 all have their different little takes on it that are all variations on the

00:14:11.460 single theme.

00:14:12.900 Uh,

00:14:13.160 that being said,

00:14:14.200 it,

00:14:14.520 there actually was a kind of organic aspect of it.

00:14:17.200 I mean,

00:14:17.680 before,

00:14:18.780 you know,

00:14:19.300 CNN was talking about this,

00:14:20.980 it really was on black Twitter.

00:14:23.660 And,

00:14:24.220 you know,

00:14:24.540 it,

00:14:24.760 this is,

00:14:25.500 it,

00:14:25.720 it's not like the media created this and all these,

00:14:28.260 then all these people went rioting.

00:14:29.960 Uh,

00:14:30.240 it,

00:14:30.380 it really was the opposite.

00:14:31.620 So it,

00:14:31.920 it has to be,

00:14:32.860 it has to play a really important part in the sense of identity of these people.

00:14:37.800 And,

00:14:38.560 you know,

00:14:39.120 this,

00:14:39.560 this kind of narrative of,

00:14:41.320 you know, 1.00

00:14:41.620 bad white people that want to kill you, 1.00

00:14:44.180 uh, 1.00

00:14:44.780 that must be deeply important to them.

00:14:47.020 It must be a very important part of their psyche.

00:14:50.320 And,

00:14:50.860 uh,

00:14:51.260 that is a very sad,

00:14:53.220 I have to say.

00:14:53.840 I mean,

00:14:54.020 even,

00:14:54.360 I agree that there's not a lot of,

00:14:55.780 uh,

00:14:56.440 critical thinking going on,

00:14:58.200 but,

00:14:59.020 but,

00:14:59.500 but,

00:14:59.920 uh,

00:15:00.220 but,

00:15:00.440 but a kind of,

00:15:01.400 you know,

00:15:01.880 uh,

00:15:02.180 you know,

00:15:02.440 a kind of impulsive or,

00:15:04.000 or almost animalistic thinking,

00:15:05.600 that,

00:15:05.820 that kind of thinking you do before you start really thinking,

00:15:08.040 uh,

00:15:08.820 that,

00:15:09.360 that,

00:15:09.900 that narrative and that,

00:15:11.160 that sense of identity,

00:15:12.060 it must be very strong.

00:15:13.440 And again,

00:15:14.160 that's just very sad.

00:15:15.720 And,

00:15:16.260 uh,

00:15:16.680 I,

00:15:16.920 I think,

00:15:17.420 you know,

00:15:17.660 I,

00:15:17.760 I'm just saying this.

00:15:18.640 I'm not saying this as someone who is a,

00:15:20.940 uh,

00:15:21.340 racial activist or whatever.

00:15:22.920 I'm saying this as,

00:15:23.900 as someone,

00:15:24.340 I mean,

00:15:24.540 the,

00:15:25.120 uh,

00:15:25.340 for the black race, 0.99

00:15:26.960 like,

00:15:27.240 for African Americans or for Africans in general,

00:15:30.460 um,

00:15:31.540 you know,

00:15:31.940 you're never going to accomplish anything when you're dominated by that kind of hatred and that kind of negative identity.

00:15:38.480 It's,

00:15:38.960 it's really,

00:15:39.480 it's,

00:15:39.900 it leads nowhere to,

00:15:41.620 it leads nowhere except this,

00:15:43.600 you know,

00:15:44.340 blowing up a convenience store or whatever.

00:15:48.120 Uh,

00:15:48.440 but go ahead.

00:15:49.360 And I know that there has to be some sensible blacks in that community that are engaged in, 0.96

00:15:54.280 in this type of behavior and, 0.81

00:15:55.680 and they see it as shamefully as we do,

00:15:57.480 but certainly those who have access to a,

00:15:59.800 uh,

00:16:00.120 to a television microphone,

00:16:01.860 you know,

00:16:02.060 Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson,

00:16:03.400 who were sure to go down there early and cash in on this.

00:16:07.420 You know,

00:16:07.600 they are planning the flames of discontent,

00:16:10.000 but,

00:16:10.360 you know,

00:16:10.720 I guess it,

00:16:11.220 it all circles back in the grand scheme of things to a very universal truth.

00:16:15.340 And I know Jerry Taylor put it succinctly that the history of race relations can be summed up in one word,

00:16:20.720 and that's conflict.

00:16:21.540 Whenever you have different cultures and having the same living space,

00:16:24.780 you're going to have conflict.

00:16:26.680 And what's bad about an America, 0.52

00:16:29.060 what's so bad about it is racial relations have deteriorated since the 60s.

00:16:34.140 They haven't gotten better since integration.

00:16:35.860 They've gotten worse,

00:16:36.500 and they've gotten infinitely more violent.

00:16:39.780 You know,

00:16:40.080 with black on white crime,

00:16:41.780 and of course, 0.96

00:16:42.160 black on black crimes, 0.99

00:16:43.020 even more proficient than that. 0.98

00:16:45.280 But nothing's getting better.

00:16:46.900 It's all getting worse.

00:16:47.920 And the media doesn't make it better,

00:16:49.620 obviously,

00:16:50.820 by engaging in the narrative that you know they're going to.

00:16:56.560 And that's another question,

00:16:58.040 Richard,

00:16:58.220 if I could ask you a question.

00:16:59.300 Because what is the media's,

00:17:01.240 what is the media's objective in presenting the story as they have,

00:17:08.620 ultimately?

00:17:09.220 I mean,

00:17:09.660 that's something that should be asked.

00:17:12.160 Well,

00:17:13.000 it's a good question.

00:17:15.560 And it's almost impossible to answer.

00:17:17.680 But it's worth at least,

00:17:20.080 or it's almost impossible to answer definitively and succinctly.

00:17:23.480 But it's worth talking a little bit about.

00:17:24.860 I don't think the,

00:17:28.220 you know,

00:17:29.220 the people in the mainstream outlets,

00:17:32.400 and these include a lot of websites that earlier would have not been thought of as mainstream,

00:17:36.800 people at Gawker,

00:17:38.340 or the Daily Beast,

00:17:39.400 or the Huffington Post,

00:17:40.320 or whatever.

00:17:41.000 What do they get out of it?

00:17:42.220 What do these white liberals get out of it? 0.99

00:17:43.860 I don't think these are bad people who are trying to create riots or anything like that.

00:17:50.480 I think that in a kind of postmodern world where they don't have,

00:17:57.520 there's really kind of nothing in the way of spirituality,

00:18:00.980 where there's nothing in the way of grand ideals outside of some,

00:18:06.380 you know,

00:18:06.900 notion of tolerance and democracy or something like that.

00:18:10.520 But I think this narrative,

00:18:13.560 this racial narrative,

00:18:14.840 is in a way all they have.

00:18:17.560 And I think,

00:18:18.100 again,

00:18:18.660 much like,

00:18:19.640 as I was saying with blacks, 0.98

00:18:20.860 how this must have,

00:18:22.600 this must be an important part of their sense of identity.

00:18:25.400 I think it's an important part of the sense of identity of liberal whites as well.

00:18:29.740 No,

00:18:29.960 that's actually,

00:18:30.560 I think,

00:18:30.980 a very good answer.

00:18:31.920 I mean,

00:18:32.120 because there's no doubt about it,

00:18:35.000 that political correctness is certainly the state religion in America.

00:18:38.480 I mean,

00:18:38.880 that's been talked about for a long time.

00:18:40.460 It's not Christianity anymore. 0.99

00:18:41.660 It's political correctness.

00:18:42.880 And perhaps this is their way of worshiping that God,

00:18:45.660 by going up and prostrating themselves in front of everyone to show that they are a true believer

00:18:50.680 and that they're one of the good guys. 0.81

00:18:52.120 And that's another thing that is a pathological weakness of whites more than any other race, 1.00

00:18:56.980 certainly, 0.97

00:18:57.740 is that,

00:18:58.260 you know,

00:18:58.540 there are certain fundamental things in life that we all need to survive,

00:19:03.080 food and clothing and water and shelter.

00:19:05.060 But whites need social acceptance. 0.69

00:19:06.840 And I guess these people believe that this is how they will earn that

00:19:09.740 and continue to be invited to the right tea parties.

00:19:12.720 Well,

00:19:13.640 the right cocktail parties,

00:19:14.860 not tea parties,

00:19:15.640 political movement.

00:19:18.340 I,

00:19:18.900 for one,

00:19:19.400 prefer cocktail parties.

00:19:21.320 Right.

00:19:21.720 Yeah,

00:19:21.820 cocktail parties.

00:19:22.720 I don't know where tea parties came from,

00:19:24.140 but they like cocktail parties.

00:19:26.120 And they know that they'll keep their job by saying this,

00:19:28.620 but can they actually,

00:19:29.980 can they actually look at this situation?

00:19:32.580 I was talking with my father about this last night.

00:19:34.640 I was at my parents' house last night for a visit,

00:19:37.000 and we were watching some of the Fox News coverage of it.

00:19:40.260 And Megan Kelly has actually done a better than average job for a mainstream anchor.

00:19:47.060 I was pleasantly surprised with the way she's handled this,

00:19:51.420 what little I've seen of her coverage.

00:19:52.680 But she was interviewing some of these people,

00:19:54.920 and of course we've watched some of the other network coverage as well.

00:19:57.300 And I asked myself,

00:19:58.180 and I asked my father,

00:19:59.040 do they really believe this?

00:20:00.360 How can they look at this situation?

00:20:02.300 How can they look at this story,

00:20:03.500 look at this guy,

00:20:05.980 and not only try to lead us to believe their vision,

00:20:09.400 but could they actually see it that way themselves?

00:20:11.360 Could they really look at this story

00:20:12.960 and in the heart of hearts believe what they're saying?

00:20:16.780 If they are, 1.00

00:20:17.940 that goes to prove that liberalism is truly a mental illness. 1.00

00:20:20.960 These people have to be mentally ill. 1.00

00:20:22.680 If they believe what they're saying. 0.99

00:20:24.040 Yeah, I wouldn't say mental illness.

00:20:25.680 I would say religion.

00:20:26.720 I mean, people who are,

00:20:29.000 this idea that you're a part of something bigger than yourself,

00:20:32.420 that can change how you view facts.

00:20:35.580 And that holds for everyone throughout world history.

00:20:39.500 And it's their chance.

00:20:41.840 They're just a liberal blogger.

00:20:43.280 They live in Brooklyn,

00:20:45.240 and they have a nice education,

00:20:48.280 and they've actually,

00:20:49.340 they're in a way coming from white privilege, so to speak.

00:20:52.680 And they don't feel like their life has a great deal of meaning.

00:20:56.260 It's a lot of hanging out in coffee shops

00:20:58.200 and sending Twitter messages to their friends and things like this.

00:21:02.360 And this is a chance for them to be a part of something

00:21:05.240 that has religious significance.

00:21:07.540 I think that's real,

00:21:08.460 and I think it's wrong for us to discount that power that this has.

00:21:12.340 I would say another angle to it

00:21:14.700 is a kind of,

00:21:17.900 in this ironic way, 0.96

00:21:20.160 it's a fear of black violence. 0.93

00:21:22.200 And I remember I was, 0.91

00:21:23.460 I just saw this clip on YouTube,

00:21:25.200 but there's a MSNBC commentator,

00:21:28.060 oh gosh,

00:21:28.740 his name is escaping me at the moment.

00:21:31.020 He's fairly young,

00:21:31.920 and he actually looks a lot like Rachel Maddow

00:21:34.440 in a kind of mannish form.

00:21:36.180 Less mannish,

00:21:37.600 perhaps.

00:21:39.620 You probably know,

00:21:40.680 you know who I'm talking about.

00:21:41.740 I'm forgetting his name.

00:21:42.720 Chris Hayes.

00:21:44.280 And,

00:21:44.420 yeah,

00:21:45.480 and he was there,

00:21:47.100 and he was doing a report from Ferguson,

00:21:49.120 and he was dropping all of the typical buzzwords.

00:21:51.780 And at one point,

00:21:52.960 there were these protesters,

00:21:54.540 or whatever,

00:21:55.860 were walking by,

00:21:56.940 and they started throwing rocks at him.

00:21:59.340 Yeah.

00:22:00.620 And then,

00:22:01.360 he was kind of cowering for a little bit,

00:22:04.180 and then they stopped,

00:22:05.840 and then he started asking them questions,

00:22:08.260 and he was like,

00:22:08.840 what,

00:22:08.960 you know,

00:22:09.280 what precipitated the police's breakup of your,

00:22:13.640 you know,

00:22:13.820 all this kind of,

00:22:14.440 he was treating them very seriously.

00:22:16.160 But I think in this odd way,

00:22:18.100 a lot of liberals,

00:22:18.920 in a way, 0.99

00:22:19.240 fear black violence, 0.98

00:22:20.660 and they want to show them that they're okay. 0.98

00:22:24.020 They want to,

00:22:24.660 in a way,

00:22:25.000 surrender to them,

00:22:25.880 and say,

00:22:26.220 look,

00:22:26.820 hey,

00:22:27.080 hey,

00:22:27.340 trust me,

00:22:27.800 like,

00:22:28.120 I'm with you guys.

00:22:29.320 You know,

00:22:29.600 you guys are awesome,

00:22:30.940 white, 1.00

00:22:31.260 racist, 1.00

00:22:32.080 bad,

00:22:32.940 you know, 0.99

00:22:33.260 don't kill me.

00:22:35.180 Well,

00:22:35.560 but I mean,

00:22:35.880 I guarantee you,

00:22:36.860 I mean,

00:22:37.220 this goes to the,

00:22:38.900 you know,

00:22:39.400 how much they really believe it,

00:22:40.920 because,

00:22:41.280 I mean,

00:22:41.540 I wonder if he would walk down the streets of Ferguson,

00:22:44.520 walk down a dark alley in Ferguson,

00:22:46.040 with all this mayhem going on,

00:22:47.640 it's a state of emergency there,

00:22:49.400 been officially declared martial law,

00:22:51.160 and so on and so forth.

00:22:51.780 Would he walk down there without,

00:22:53.120 you know,

00:22:54.080 his handlers and his camera crew?

00:22:56.420 No.

00:22:56.940 He's not in it.

00:22:57.700 He's not.

00:22:59.020 No, 0.99

00:22:59.420 he's not an idiot. 0.99

00:23:00.720 But again, 0.99

00:23:01.320 it's that,

00:23:01.640 you know,

00:23:01.820 it's that kind of way,

00:23:02.800 there's a certain survival strategy to it all,

00:23:05.360 and which is to present,

00:23:06.420 one survival strategy is to present yourself as utterly weak.

00:23:10.640 And it can be quite successful.

00:23:13.160 Say,

00:23:13.720 I'm not a threat,

00:23:14.540 I'm on your side.

00:23:16.160 Yeah,

00:23:16.380 but do they believe that this is going to be a long-term solution,

00:23:18.720 that this is going to be something that's going to save America,

00:23:20.940 because,

00:23:21.440 you know,

00:23:21.980 how many trillions of dollars have been redistributed in wealth to the blacks over the course of, 0.56

00:23:27.760 you know,

00:23:28.460 the last five or six decades?

00:23:30.720 You know,

00:23:30.940 how many government programs,

00:23:32.460 affirmative action,

00:23:33.160 set of sides,

00:23:33.600 quotas,

00:23:33.940 how much is it going to take to placate them?

00:23:36.100 You know,

00:23:36.320 the more you do that,

00:23:37.540 the more emboldened they get,

00:23:39.120 you know,

00:23:39.660 and it just,

00:23:40.440 nothing has improved.

00:23:42.420 Right,

00:23:42.780 and I totally agree with you.

00:23:44.100 I actually think that in a way,

00:23:46.200 even showing force won't,

00:23:48.420 it won't ultimately change anything. 0.63

00:23:50.760 And I think also blacks,

00:23:53.200 you know,

00:23:53.720 you could say that 60 years ago,

00:23:57.620 or so on and so forth,

00:23:58.840 that blacks had, 0.97

00:24:00.280 they had a sense of,

00:24:01.460 a very strong sense of social inferiority.

00:24:04.360 And if you stood up to them,

00:24:06.120 if you showed force,

00:24:07.460 I think they might,

00:24:08.900 you know,

00:24:09.240 kind of say,

00:24:10.340 okay,

00:24:10.660 we're going to back down.

00:24:11.860 But I don't think they will now,

00:24:13.640 because I think,

00:24:14.520 you know,

00:24:14.820 we're talking about people out there protesting.

00:24:17.500 These people have been,

00:24:18.300 they're born in the 80s or 90s,

00:24:19.900 or even 2000.

00:24:22.140 I mean,

00:24:22.300 these are young people who have existed in a world in which everyone denounces white racism and the evil, dark history of America and blah, blah, blah.

00:24:32.660 And so I don't,

00:24:33.560 I think they feel like they have authority.

00:24:36.120 I don't think that,

00:24:37.240 they don't feel like social inferiors,

00:24:39.460 inferiors.

00:24:40.200 They feel like they are social victims.

00:24:42.720 They are the great victims.

00:24:43.800 They can do this.

00:24:45.240 They can get away with it.

00:24:46.100 I don't even think force will stop it.

00:24:48.580 Because I think,

00:24:49.800 again,

00:24:50.100 they feel that they are sovereign and that they have authority and they can do this.

00:24:54.520 Well,

00:24:54.660 genetic predisposition in nature is going to reign and nothing's going to change that.

00:24:59.080 And,

00:24:59.100 you know,

00:25:00.140 nothing's going to change,

00:25:01.340 you know,

00:25:02.160 behavioral traits,

00:25:03.080 just like intelligence.

00:25:04.300 I mean,

00:25:04.440 all of this is heritable to a great degree.

00:25:06.680 I mean,

00:25:06.820 certainly you can change your life and life and you can choose not to believe in what your parents believed in.

00:25:11.600 And you can make certain choices that are free will.

00:25:13.960 But for the most part,

00:25:15.360 a lot of that is just,

00:25:16.980 you're born with it and that's what you're going to be.

00:25:19.600 And,

00:25:20.020 you know,

00:25:20.320 no,

00:25:20.680 force isn't going to change them.

00:25:21.940 I mean,

00:25:22.100 if you rolled in there and you put down the insurrection,

00:25:26.100 it's not going to change the way they think.

00:25:27.340 It's not going to change the way they feel,

00:25:28.520 but it would clean up the streets.

00:25:30.140 You know,

00:25:30.460 I mean,

00:25:30.800 how long do you see this playing out?

00:25:32.900 I mean,

00:25:33.000 are they going to be coming out,

00:25:34.160 I mean,

00:25:34.720 for God knows how long every night and closing downtown?

00:25:37.480 Yes.

00:25:38.020 I think this is huge.

00:25:39.600 I might meet,

00:25:40.500 perhaps I'm overestimating it.

00:25:41.840 Perhaps I'll be wrong.

00:25:43.480 I just,

00:25:44.080 I have a sense that this is going to be big.

00:25:46.360 I don't think this is going to go away for a year at the very least.

00:25:50.000 I think this is going to be huge.

00:25:51.700 You know,

00:25:51.980 we've already seen a complimentary protest around the country and Times Square and elsewhere.

00:25:58.340 I mean,

00:25:59.100 at some point the riot,

00:26:01.040 the rioting will subside.

00:26:04.000 And,

00:26:04.380 and I think even,

00:26:06.180 even a lot of this might even have to do with the weather to be frank.

00:26:08.940 I mean,

00:26:09.400 it seems like,

00:26:10.600 you know,

00:26:10.840 when it's hot outside,

00:26:11.940 people are just more likely to do something.

00:26:14.320 But,

00:26:14.700 but I,

00:26:15.840 I think this is going to go on.

00:26:17.140 I don't think this is going to end.

00:26:18.520 I,

00:26:18.740 I don't think,

00:26:19.400 I think there's going to be,

00:26:20.800 we've only seen the first act of this play and there's going to be big,

00:26:25.920 big things are going to happen in the next,

00:26:28.340 month.

00:26:29.360 And I,

00:26:30.580 I sadly think there,

00:26:32.220 there,

00:26:32.520 I think in some ways the justice,

00:26:34.540 the so-called departments of,

00:26:37.220 of the state and the federal government,

00:26:39.000 that they are so beholden to mob rule or Twitter rule that they are going to prosecute the,

00:26:49.020 the officer.

00:26:50.320 And that they're going to have,

00:26:51.460 they're going to,

00:26:51.780 we're,

00:26:51.980 we have to do something.

00:26:53.480 We have to have this trial.

00:26:54.720 We have to draw this out and even further.

00:26:57.140 And yeah,

00:26:57.920 I think it's going to be,

00:26:58.940 you know,

00:26:59.280 Trayvon Martin,

00:27:00.480 a multiple of that.

00:27:02.080 And I,

00:27:02.780 I think this is just,

00:27:03.800 this is not going to end.

00:27:04.740 I do think that this round of writing will surely decline,

00:27:10.140 you know,

00:27:10.460 at some point,

00:27:11.420 but there's going to be something else.

00:27:13.080 It's just,

00:27:13.780 you know,

00:27:14.040 this is here to stay.

00:27:16.020 Yeah,

00:27:16.420 I believe you're right,

00:27:17.120 Richard.

00:27:17.380 I mean,

00:27:17.520 you never want to make a bold prediction like Dick Morris predicting the Romney landslide win the night before the election.

00:27:22.960 But I think there are certain elements in play here that lead me to believe that there is all the potential there.

00:27:29.200 And then some to make this the single biggest story that I've ever covered in my 10 years on the radio.

00:27:34.880 And you take the,

00:27:36.960 all of the rancor of the Trayvon Martin situation,

00:27:41.220 which wasn't that long ago.

00:27:42.480 I mean,

00:27:42.600 that was only a couple of years ago,

00:27:43.700 year before last,

00:27:45.140 whenever it was very recent,

00:27:46.500 you're going to take the snowball effect on Trayvon Martin and add to that this.

00:27:50.620 And once,

00:27:51.360 you know,

00:27:51.560 you've already got the,

00:27:53.020 obviously Eric Holder is in the tank for the,

00:27:57.300 the real victim here is the guy that the police officer had his eye pocket smashed in before he was able to protect himself.

00:28:04.040 But you got Eric Holder in the tank, 0.96

00:28:05.420 obviously for the black guy. 0.91

00:28:06.980 No surprise there. 0.89

00:28:07.880 But you've also got the governor of Missouri in the tank and against the law enforcement officials there and against his police officers.

00:28:17.180 So I think,

00:28:17.860 you know,

00:28:18.140 they didn't want to press charges against Zimmerman,

00:28:20.100 but they were pressured into it.

00:28:21.940 There's certainly going to be even more pressure here to levy anandad of the charges against this fellow.

00:28:28.280 And that's when you get an extended shelf life of this thing,

00:28:31.260 because once charges are filed and once there is the inevitable trial,

00:28:33.940 I feel as though it's inevitable.

00:28:35.100 I hope I'm wrong.

00:28:36.420 But if that happens,

00:28:37.580 I mean,

00:28:37.880 then you've got,

00:28:39.340 at least it'll be on,

00:28:41.060 you know,

00:28:41.940 headline news.

00:28:43.020 You know,

00:28:43.140 they covered that 24 hours a day,

00:28:44.580 seven days a week.

00:28:45.060 It'll be another year.

00:28:46.020 It'll be at least a year for the trial to get through and all that, if it all goes down.

00:28:51.200 So if that happens, yes, it will continue to simmer, it will continue to boil, and it will continue to get worse.

00:28:57.340 I mean, this is diversity manifested.

00:28:59.820 I mean, this is a prime example of what happens when you've got too much diversity.

00:29:05.640 Yeah.

00:29:05.960 And it will continue to happen as they get more emboldened, as they get more entitled.

00:29:11.180 And it's coming soon, I think, you know, again, to reference those excellent pieces at Radix and American Renaissance.

00:29:17.980 It's coming soon to a city near you, if there's sufficient diversity in your area.

00:29:21.280 Very scary.

00:29:22.600 Yeah, I know.

00:29:24.380 All of these people see it as their job to enforce political correctness, be it the attorney general, be it the governor of Missouri, be it the media.

00:29:32.240 Yeah.

00:29:32.700 And interpretation of the laws are subject to political correctness as well, I guess.

00:29:36.840 Oh, without question.

00:29:37.780 And perhaps that's always been the case, to be honest.

00:29:41.180 But, yeah, I think I would add in here this other meme that's been very important with this case.

00:29:51.240 And this didn't raise its head with the Zimmerman or Trayvon Martin case.

00:29:56.480 And that is the militarization of the police.

00:29:59.640 And I just want to mention real quickly just a little bit of personal history.

00:30:04.520 I actually lived in Toronto, Canada, for a little while.

00:30:10.280 And while I was there, there was a G8 or G12 meeting.

00:30:16.200 I can't remember which one it is.

00:30:17.620 But, essentially, every head of state of the largest economies in the world will come and meet.

00:30:26.000 And I'm sure they're behind closed doors.

00:30:28.480 They're talking about truly awful things.

00:30:32.480 But, anyway, they were all there.

00:30:34.860 You know, America, Canada, China, Russia, Germany, so on and so forth.

00:30:38.960 And, essentially, when you have that many heads of state in one area, it effectively becomes a police state.

00:30:47.660 And I have a vivid memory of this weekend.

00:30:51.880 It was a number of years ago.

00:30:53.040 I actually wrote an article on it, which I'll link to.

00:30:55.640 I called it Anarcho-Tyranny in Ontario.

00:30:57.780 It's that Anarcho-Tyranny was Sam Francis' favorite concept about how, oftentimes, the police will not do what they should be doing.

00:31:07.040 And then they will actually, they will not keep order, which is what they should do.

00:31:11.560 They will actually use force in order to create chaos and kind of anarcho-tyranny.

00:31:19.020 And I think this is the ultimate example of that.

00:31:21.560 It really was, I would say, surreal to be there.

00:31:25.500 And I was with my wife, and we were just walking around downtown Toronto.

00:31:31.200 And it was almost like being in a zombie apocalypse or world war or economic collapse or whatever.

00:31:42.260 It was like that.

00:31:43.480 Basically, the entire city was empty.

00:31:46.680 You were just, imagine walking in a, you know, New York City or wherever.

00:31:50.980 And just the streets are empty.

00:31:52.380 Everyone is either, they have left or they are locked themselves in their apartment.

00:31:58.180 Empty outside of rioters and protesters.

00:32:02.280 A lot of these people are kind of like post-modern protesters doing like performance art and all this kind of stuff.

00:32:08.000 And then you have these police that really are the military.

00:32:12.360 I mean, they have, they are armored, they have major guns.

00:32:16.020 I mean, you, it is, I totally understand the why people are concerned about this issue.

00:32:21.620 And they fear it.

00:32:22.520 I mean, you don't want to mess with these people.

00:32:25.280 They could shoot you.

00:32:26.940 And then, you know, so you have that.

00:32:29.560 You have them guarding buildings.

00:32:31.220 Then you have, you know, some rioters smashing up like a Starbucks or something like that.

00:32:36.400 You have people lighting it.

00:32:38.480 They lit a car aflame.

00:32:40.840 You have this, the typical kind of mob mentality where someone will say something and a rumor will spread and everyone will run one way.

00:32:46.860 I mean, it was absolutely crazy.

00:32:49.300 It was probably dangerous for me to be out there, but it was, wow.

00:32:52.300 So, so I think I, I, I understand a great deal of the concern that people have about Ferguson and the militarization of the police at the shows.

00:33:03.040 But again, I think this really, this really gets at what you were just talking about before.

00:33:09.760 And, you know, you can't, we can't get away from the realities of biology, the realities of race, and that there are going to be consequences to this fact.

00:33:20.980 And, you know, and these, and quite frankly, you know, what is happening in Ferguson in terms of the, the violence and, and the, the kind of crazed protest and so on and so forth.

00:33:33.880 It's, to be frank, it is not that surprising.

00:33:37.260 That is basically just a little more spectacular than what you'd see in a black neighborhood seven days a week. 1.00

00:33:44.380 And we, you know, you know, we, it's almost like we're in this horrible situation where we don't want to admit that reality.

00:33:54.020 We don't want to think about the consequences.

00:33:56.400 And so we keep having a big arms build up as just a way of denying it all.

00:34:01.800 So we're going to have, we have the largest prison system in the world.

00:34:05.940 Everyone wants to talk about how Russia or China are totalitarian.

00:34:09.520 We have so many more people in prison at the moment than China.

00:34:14.020 It's not even funny.

00:34:15.560 We have this massive prison population.

00:34:18.200 Why do we have that?

00:34:19.280 Well, I think it has a lot to do with those things that we think don't exist.

00:34:24.860 I, the realities of biology, the realities of race.

00:34:29.260 And it's like Americans want to just continually deny these things.

00:34:33.800 And our way of denying it is to create a militarized police, create a prison population, create all this stuff.

00:34:40.240 There's trillions of dollars of infrastructure as a way of lying to ourselves.

00:34:44.980 And I think that's the thing.

00:34:46.420 That's the thing that these libertarians are missing, which is, of course, not surprising.

00:34:51.180 But, you know, like, oh, it's so terrible that they're using rubber bullets.

00:34:55.960 They're pointing guns at people.

00:34:57.100 I do, I agree, like, you should never, you should only point a gun at someone if you're willing to pull the trigger.

00:35:03.960 Like, you do not want to be pointing guns at anyone.

00:35:06.680 You're just going to inspire people to run or kill you or whatever.

00:35:10.200 But, again, I totally sympathize.

00:35:12.000 I don't want to live in a society where the military is creating law and order on the street and are pushing people around.

00:35:19.800 I don't want to live like that.

00:35:20.840 I want to live in a peaceful society where, you know, needless to say, I think that's true.

00:35:25.960 But, again, you can't understand what's happening to the police unless you understand what is truly causing it.

00:35:34.540 And that's something that Americans, we don't want to understand, we don't want to ultimately talk about.

00:35:40.120 And so, anyway, I'll let you go.

00:35:42.280 That's basically my kind of take on this whole militarization.

00:35:44.960 Well, that was a great assessment of the issue, Richard, and I'm glad you came back to this because we were talking about it before the taping began, and I wanted to chime in on this.

00:35:54.040 You mentioned, though, first, you know, peace, living in a peaceful society.

00:35:57.040 I mean, the only way you're going to live in a relatively peaceful society is if you live in a racially homogenous society. 0.87

00:36:02.280 And, you know, as long as we are blessed with multiculturalism, we're going to continue to reap all of the benefits of multiculturalism, and that is, of course, what you're seeing in Ferguson.

00:36:13.280 If Ferguson was an all-white town, none of this would have happened, and none of this would be happening. 1.00

00:36:16.440 And I think that goes without saying, but, I mean, yeah, obviously, and ultimately, I'm against the militarization of the police.

00:36:25.140 You know, you go back to the 60s when the National Guard was mobilized to basically force the southern states to break their own laws, I guess.

00:36:37.120 And I was against it then, and I want to be consistent here.

00:36:40.000 And certainly I didn't think it was necessary to do what they did in Boston in response to the marathon bombings.

00:36:45.840 And I think every time you see a militarization of the police, and it's happening obviously more frequently now than ever, it tenderizes the American public into acceptance.

00:36:56.960 And you don't want to get into the point where it just becomes commonplace for this to occur because then you get complacent to the point of what happens when they roll into your town.

00:37:06.180 And when they roll into your town to do things that they shouldn't be doing.

00:37:09.700 Now, in this case, in Ferguson, obviously, would they have a police force of less than 100?

00:37:16.160 I mean, they're not fit to handle the unrest.

00:37:20.560 And so, you know, I guess if you frame it in a way of asking yourself on any given issue or any given scenario, if you base your decision to the answer of, is it good for our people?

00:37:35.600 I think in this case, you know, they need more of a police force than what they had on hand to deal with the rioters.

00:37:42.500 And so, you know, I guess in a way in Ferguson, not to contradict myself or sound hypocritical, I'm glad that there's more of a force there in order to, because who knows what would happen.

00:37:53.940 But again, maybe that's something we should find out.

00:37:56.080 If all the white people left, if all the people who tried to maintain law and order left Ferguson and just let them have it and see what happened, that would be a pretty interesting case study. 0.69

00:38:06.800 Yeah, that's more or less how I feel about these things at this point.

00:38:11.120 I don't want to sound like I'm some kind of nihilist, but I really, yeah, maybe we should face the consequences of our belief structure.

00:38:21.000 How about that?

00:38:22.340 That's right.

00:38:22.880 I mean, of course, that would never happen.

00:38:24.620 I mean, I couldn't see all of the decent people of Ferguson and the police are leaving.

00:38:28.540 But, I mean, look at what happened when they tried to enforce the law.

00:38:31.520 I mean, it doesn't pay, it didn't pay for this guy to protect himself and pay for this guy to defend himself and to try to enforce the law.

00:38:39.660 I mean, he's going to pay for it very dearly, and certainly he already has, and it's only going to get worse for this police officer.

00:38:44.660 So if this is what you get for following the book and implementing the rules, what incentive is there?

00:38:50.840 And I guarantee you that that's going through the minds of a lot of those, I don't know if they're soldiers or, you know, whatever the peacekeeping force is up there.

00:39:03.320 You know that's got to be going through their mind.

00:39:05.300 I mean, can they defend themselves?

00:39:07.300 Can they do anything to repel an attack from a black person without risking them for the rest of their lives? 1.00

00:39:14.560 Yeah. 0.95

00:39:14.900 It has to be in the back of their mind.

00:39:17.500 Unquestionably.

00:39:17.900 James, this has been an excellent conversation, and unfortunately, I believe we might have to have you on again to talk about Ferguson,

00:39:29.540 because as I said before, I don't think this is going away.

00:39:32.580 But before you go, please just talk a little bit about this really interesting situation and opportunity that you had to speak with a man named Anthony Cumia.

00:39:46.460 He's actually involved with a, or he was involved with a show called Opie and Anthony, which I wasn't really aware of myself, but I think it is very popular on, you know, on Sirius FM.

00:39:59.740 And he actually got into a race controversy of his own, and you actually had him on, and I thought was really remarkable is that he faced all of the slings and arrows of political correctness, and he actually has not backed down.

00:40:16.740 And he's found a way to make a living and actually remain a success despite this kind of, you know, witch hunt, highly predictable witch hunt that ensued.

00:40:29.780 So, before you go, just tell us a little bit about that story, and then tell us a little bit about your interview of Cumia.

00:40:39.940 Yeah, I'd be happy to, Richard.

00:40:41.240 And before I do that, I want to thank you again for having me on.

00:40:43.900 It's been a very intellectually stimulating experience and conversation, as it always is when we speak.

00:40:49.300 But, you know, Anthony Cumia, like you, I had heard of the Opie and Anthony show.

00:40:53.760 I'd never tuned in.

00:40:54.740 I knew a little bit about who he was.

00:40:57.440 And I just knew that it was a very big program.

00:41:00.340 It sort of is like a poor man's Howard Stern.

00:41:03.360 I only say poor because compared to Howard Stern, their audience isn't as big.

00:41:06.900 But it still reached out.

00:41:08.520 They started out in New York, like Stern.

00:41:10.860 They had 17 major affiliates in the Northeast.

00:41:13.040 And then they got picked up by Sirius XM Satellite Radio.

00:41:15.700 And so this guy, you know, was making, I would assume, you know, high six, low seven-figure salary.

00:41:24.020 A very big show, you know, a very big audience.

00:41:28.200 And about a month ago, or a little more than that, I guess, he was in Times Square taking pictures, as people do in Times Square.

00:41:37.080 And he was, for no reason, apparently accosted by a black woman.

00:41:41.240 And he got to see diversity up close and personal.

00:41:43.640 But now, come to find out, I'm doing research on him after I had him on the show.

00:41:47.020 I learned more about him after we had him on the show than I ever knew about him during the course of the interview.

00:41:52.860 But he had spoken, very frankly, about race for years now on satellite radio, time to time interjecting it.

00:42:01.500 But what got him in hot water was after this alleged assault at the hands of this black woman,

00:42:07.780 who thought erroneously that he was taking pictures of her.

00:42:11.500 Or he posted to Twitter, I mean, she, you know, verbally abused him and was punching him.

00:42:16.260 And he had a gun, and he didn't pull it.

00:42:17.940 He said he never felt that his life was in danger.

00:42:19.940 But in the moments after the attack, he got onto Twitter and called her an animal,

00:42:23.500 along with some very other, you know, salty adjectives. 0.93

00:42:26.880 And talked about the problem of violence in the black community and called her savage and this, that, you know,

00:42:32.840 and an emotional reaction.

00:42:33.980 Not to say that it wasn't true in that example.

00:42:36.940 But he was very hastily fired by Sirius XM.

00:42:42.320 But immediately after the find, he said he's never going to apologize.

00:42:45.340 He's not going to pretend that he didn't mean what he said.

00:42:47.600 If he had it to do over again, he would do the exact same thing.

00:42:50.200 And that certainly was very eye-opening to me after I picked up on it.

00:42:53.560 And I picked up on it, you know, this started to circulate among the usual suspects in our ranks.

00:43:01.080 And I read about this story on a few different websites.

00:43:03.640 And so we contacted him and asked him to come on the show, which he did about three weeks ago, I guess it was.

00:43:10.920 And it made, you know, fairly significant news.

00:43:13.400 I won't say it made national news in terms of, you know, you could have seen coverage of it on CNN or Fox or any of those.

00:43:20.200 But Media Matters did a big article on it.

00:43:22.460 And then a lot of the left-wing websites, like some of the ones you've mentioned, the Daily Beast and some of these others,

00:43:31.720 or Daily Banter and some of these, it made pretty big news.

00:43:34.720 I think at the end of the day, it wouldn't be unreasonable to believe that, you know, probably 100,000 people

00:43:41.200 either heard about it on our radio program or watched it on YouTube or read about it on some of these other sites.

00:43:45.560 I know there were, you know, a few thousand likes on the Media Matters article alone in response to this.

00:43:53.940 So, but he came on the show for an hour, and I really didn't know exactly where he would go with this,

00:43:59.100 because, again, I didn't have a lot of information about him at the time.

00:44:01.300 But if you listen to that hour interview that we did with Anthony Cumia, it's really no different at all.

00:44:08.980 In the conversation we've had for the last hour, Richard, it was just, it wasn't over the top.

00:44:14.280 It wasn't overzealous.

00:44:15.400 It wasn't sensational.

00:44:17.000 He just talked very openly about race and was surprisingly frank.

00:44:22.220 And so, at the end of the day, you know, we don't want to over-exaggerate the significance of this.

00:44:26.800 As I said to you before, you know, no one's going to confuse Anthony Cumia with Jan Sobieski

00:44:32.260 or somebody like that with a true hero.

00:44:34.680 But what you do have here, and this is a fact, you have the biggest celebrity to date

00:44:39.600 to come out and explicitly offer pro-white commentary and refuse to apologize.

00:44:45.460 He took it further than Mel Gibson.

00:44:47.200 He took it further than Gary Oldman.

00:44:49.120 And he didn't back down one bit.

00:44:51.580 And after all of this, you know, hysterical reaction to his interview on the political

00:44:56.480 cesspool came to light, he dabbled down and defended us on his program.

00:45:01.460 And as a matter of fact, just before, if I could add this, just to put the cherry on top,

00:45:06.780 a couple of weeks before we even had Anthony Cumia on, we also welcomed a gentleman by the

00:45:11.780 name of Sean Bergen.

00:45:13.260 Sean Bergen was a former reporter for News 12 in New York and New Jersey, a very major

00:45:18.340 television outlet up there, and he was fired for editorializing in an on-air live story

00:45:24.640 that dealt with a black man, young black man, or a teen, I guess we should call him a teen

00:45:33.020 or a youth, but it was a young black man, he shot a police officer, a rookie cop, shot 0.95

00:45:37.000 A young child.

00:45:38.560 Right, a young child.

00:45:40.080 A toddler of some sort, unarmed.

00:45:43.520 He shot a rookie cop and killed him, and the wife of this cherub said that the only problem 0.86

00:45:54.040 was that he didn't kill more cops. 0.98

00:45:56.840 And so in hearing this live and on the air, Bergen said that there's a problem with black 0.99

00:46:02.060 violence, and part of the problem stems from fatherlessness.

00:46:07.020 And certainly we would agree that illegitimacy probably has a negative impact on anyone, including

00:46:11.720 blacks, but that's by no means the biggest problem, but just by suggesting that illegitimacy

00:46:16.060 plays a role in the way that they act, got him fired.

00:46:23.360 Well, to make a long story short, he too was on our show, and now he and Cumia are working

00:46:27.380 together, he's basically the co-host of the new Anthony Cumia show, which is the pay-per-view

00:46:31.120 online thing, but I think it's $6.95 a month and he already has 40 or 50,000 subscribers,

00:46:36.540 so it just goes to show that you don't necessarily have to be ruined, and you don't necessarily

00:46:41.180 have to sacrifice your integrity and dignity and offer these fake apologies like we've seen

00:46:46.940 from Paula Deen and so many others.

00:46:48.900 Anthony Cumia didn't back down.

00:46:50.400 He's still making bank, and he's still interviewing celebrity guests, and he hasn't lost any of

00:46:54.080 his friendships, at least as far as I know, and we've talked about that in the interview

00:46:57.060 that we had.

00:46:58.480 But here's this other guy, you know, another mainstream news figure, or at least formerly

00:47:03.460 so, Sean Bergen, and now they're working together after both having appearances within

00:47:07.920 a couple of weeks of one another on my show, so this could be a positive trend.

00:47:12.420 I mean, again, maybe it will be, maybe it won't, but, and I don't like to put a lot of

00:47:17.260 stock into celebrities.

00:47:18.480 I don't think we should look to them for leadership or guidance, but the fact of the matter is all

00:47:22.000 revolutions are top-down, and it's going to take people with power, it's going to take

00:47:26.600 businessmen, it's going to take elected officials like Mo Brooks in Alabama. 1.00

00:47:29.920 Now, there's another one.

00:47:30.640 You've got a congressman there saying that there's a war being waged against whites, and

00:47:34.240 all of this has happened within the last month, in Bergen, Cumia, Mo Brooks in Alabama, the

00:47:38.680 congressmen.

00:47:40.300 Maybe things are beginning to shift a little bit.

00:47:44.180 It's still too early to say, you know, certainly we don't have enough to constitute a trend,

00:47:47.840 but that is three fairly significant examples in relatively short order, and we can only

00:47:53.260 hope that more people begin to see the light and speak up about this, because it will take,

00:47:57.240 it will take people, it will take celebrities, I hate to say it, to get, you know, the bread

00:48:04.040 and circus crowd on board.

00:48:05.420 You know, you've got to make these issues trendy and fashionable and in vogue, and we can present

00:48:10.260 all the data and all of the facts until we're blue in the face, but unfortunately, to reach

00:48:15.540 the rank and file middle American, it's going to take people that they know, and, you know,

00:48:22.360 hopefully the V3 will be the beginning of something much bigger.

00:48:25.820 Yeah, I agree.

00:48:27.080 I totally agree, and I just think, you know, saying no to PC and the substitute religion 0.96

00:48:35.380 that we've been talking about, that's a start.

00:48:38.460 You know, I mean, it's a necessary step, and it's a start, and maybe we're seeing this

00:48:44.460 break, and I certainly hope so.

00:48:47.900 So, but James, thank you for being back on, and thank you for offering your insights, and

00:48:54.420 I certainly want to have you on sooner than later.

00:48:57.820 I think we had too long a hiatus in between interviews on the podcast, so hopefully you'll

00:49:03.960 join me again soon.

00:49:05.920 I'm ready whenever you are, Richard.

00:49:07.520 It's great to be back on.

00:49:08.700 Love the work you're doing with Radix, and big fan, and look forward to doing it again

00:49:13.680 soon, and having you on my program in the meantime.

00:49:15.580 Oh, great, yes.

00:49:17.640 Gleisch Falls, as they say in Germany, likewise.

00:49:20.160 So I'm a big fan.

00:49:21.400 So James, I'll talk to you soon.

00:49:23.380 Thank you.

00:49:24.200 Thank you, Richard.

00:49:24.740 Have a great night.

00:49:25.420 You too.

00:49:25.680 Thank you.

RadixJournal - August 25, 2014

The Myth of Ferguson

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