The ＂Rigged＂ Delusion
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An impromptu podcast on the state of things, featuring tyler hamilton, Mark Bruhma, and Mark Beadle, discussing the latest in the Trump administration, including the latest on the 2020 election recount, and the current events surrounding it.
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all right hello everyone we are doing an impromptu podcast on the state of things
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um tyler hamilton mark brahma and myself hanging out we wanted to talk a little bit about the news
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of the day i think we're all being we're all kind of abstracting ourselves from a lot of the trump
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happenings but i thought it was worth talking about so let me throw out some news items and
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i i kind of want to get at something deeper which is a inner dynamic of the right that i've noticed
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for some time but i'll just throw out some news items to get the conversation chaser started
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um so uh nick fuentes um what can i say the guy has put himself into a position that he is a public
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figure and he's maybe in an indelible one at that um i have not been following him intensely but every
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time i'll you know go in my twitter feed there'll be a an image of him riding around on a hummer with
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alex jones and giving speeches and a microphone talking to a bunch of in a way like you know
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normie conservatives i guess an outlook but but certainly not normies in terms of political
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engagement uh doing a good job um in what he is attempting to accomplish and i i think he's
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probably here to stay i mean i'm not sure i would have said that a couple years ago but he is
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uh making a name for himself and he's certainly latched on to this this thing which is the rigged
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narrative and the recount and the rhinos betraying trump uh and so on um what's recently just happening
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is um uh what is her name sydney powell is that her name sydney yes so a woman i had never
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heard of previously although she was the legal representative of general michael flynn uh she
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has been in these circles for a long time she has been making increasingly bold claims um of voter
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interference these are you know these voting machines were developed in venezuela and they're
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you know here changing votes and all of the swing states are frauds and all this kind of stuff
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she was endorsed by the gop itself three days ago um she is not backing up this stuff with any
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anything that would resemble evidence in a court she is making bold claims of like this has chinese
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communist parts and it was developed the software is developed in venezuela even if that is true that
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proves literally nothing and she's not being able to back it up she was pushed back on by tucker carlson
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um yesterday the day before and the right freaked out all of these former tucker fans decided that he
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was he had cucked he was betraying trump why is it what happened who's gotten to him and now trump
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himself has thrown her under the bus distanced himself he said he's she's not his lawyer operating
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on his behalf despite the fact that she was giving a press conference with his own personal lawyer
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in front of trump 2020 paraphernalia speaking for the president let's be honest so he is clearly
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distinct to himself this might mean a concession is imminent i don't know um i it's hard to predict trump
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uh but i what i've noticed is a couple of things worth pointing out is first off the these there's
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let me get the big ideas out here so first off there's an inner dynamic to the republican party
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where you have nick fuentes and company sounding like wignats in a way uh going out there with the
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megaphone saying we will destroy the republican party this is what it's about this isn't even about
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the democrats anymore it's about the gop and they're weak and betrayal they are saying things that
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at least resemble things that the their hated wignats might say of you know not getting along
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not going with the flow but instead you know opposing the conservatives uh now they are doing
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it now they're obviously doing it in a different way they're doing it on behalf of trump as opposed
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to opposing it to trump um they aren't actually attacking the leader of the republican party or the
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president of the united states they're attacking a kind of vaguely defined cuck rhino uh in the party
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and i think that's been a long-term inner dynamic um the other aspect of this that's kind of
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fascinating psychologically speaking is that these people will change their mind on a daily basis and
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blissfully forget their position from a couple days ago so you know i was again i i've we've been
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doing other stuff today i haven't really been engaged but just scanning twitter you'll see
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these people you know saying well it's good that trump got rid of sydney powell because she was
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making us all look bad and no one believed her bold claims but you know voter fraud is a real thing and
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trump still won the election this is not what they were saying two days ago when she had her press
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conference that was a total disaster they were backing her up the gop was backing her up i didn't hear any
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mention of the fact that her claims are unsubstantiated and absurd uh they're now saying
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this because trump said it says that and there's this way in which they're always spinning and always
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kind of changing their line and they'll probably now be back on the tucker fan plantation because
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tucker was right he he wants to help trump and he pushed sydney powell out earlier and so on so it's it's
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just this you know mercurial flowing contradictory mindset um that is the stuff of cults and not
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serious people let's be honest here um but so we could talk about that i i also wanted to talk about
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this kind of dynamic inner dynamic of within conservatism of opposing the rhinos which is
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not anything new and which granted this is being sounded with really bold you know notes and
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declarations and denunciations it's much bolder than i've seen in the past but it's actually a really
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consistent internal dynamic of conservatism do you guys want to pick up on anything or should i keep
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going well i mean just to pick up off of that where you're going with it right away like one thing i find
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particularly interesting within the history of conservative party and the right in america in
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general it's just the way in which there always seems to be a missing perpetrator in all of this
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as that's always it's never the real conservatives right so it's yeah we are on the side of real
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conservatives so when you look at this crowd the american first crowd and the like that have been
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gathering the past few days is they seem to be saying things like the gop has given up on trump so
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we're going to give up on the gop right so this is very different than what a lot of us have been
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saying for the last two to three years even though in rhetoric it might sound like what we were
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saying there what we were saying was that we can't trust the gop establishment whatsoever because
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this same dynamic keeps playing over and over again we can't trust trump i don't know exactly well
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he would be a part of that in our view right leader of the party and so then you end up in this
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situation where we are saying that this is something that has played itself out in the american
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right for decades and it continues to do this yeah it plays this role where the populace imagine
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themselves as some community that's standing with a true conservative rebelling against the old rhino
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but what's actually happening is that that is very much just a part of the way it functions yeah so it's
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like if you take a look at the reaction of conservatives and some of them being like tucker and the like and
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others who have simply seem to jump ship from trump or have the foresight to know that these aren't
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serious directions to take these great allegations of voter fraud which are very unfulfilled right and
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they seem to have the foresight to jump ship on that and they're saying no we're going to take over
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we're going to be the serious republicans so you end up with this intra republican conflict going on and
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the populace they seem to be we're on the side of the real conservatives right trump is really on their
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side but they are upon for one step within the republican party against another and so it seems
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to me that in playing this game that they believe themselves to be critical that they see the power
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game of what it really is they're actually the biggest dooms of one mere player in that game in this
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case trump who as you said is a leader of the party yeah he is complacent he is a part of all of this
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and quite frankly he is the one they should be directing their hatred against and protest against
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he is the one failing them he's the one with as a leader with the responsibility and he's not acting
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as a sovereign and really that's what it all boils down to is the american right is always looking for
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some great betrayer within an otherwise good party or good system that we can restore and instead of
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looking to the fact that there's a sickness already within it and it's a part of how it functions
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yes it's not a problem of fixing of the corruption but it's rather rethinking our support of that system
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itself right i mean i i think a lot of the dynamic was you know what is the phrase if only the pope knew
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about the treachery of his bishops or something right is that is that the right cliche i mean it's it's this
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notion that you know you have the leader of the catholic church but he's apparently not in control
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of you know he's not an autocrat in control of a major institution he doesn't know what's going on
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it's it's this way of kind of defending the emperor against his empire and it's it's a it's a weird move
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but again it's actually not a new one and i can remember attending cpacs uh 10 years ago when
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mitt romney was winning the nomination of the primaries i guess this was spring of 2008 and there
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was there were these revolts against you know mccain who worked with the liberals and was going to
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betray us and wasn't good on immigration and all this kind of stuff then the tea party was really
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about this to a large extent it was about new tea party activists coming to the floor you know we
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need rand paul in there we need nikki haley we need george uh it was pompeo we need all these
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you know kind of creatures ted cruz was another one although i think he won in 2012 we need all
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these kind of new people to um come in and restore conservatism and then and paul ryan is an interesting
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one because he was a tea party hero who then got the ire uh of the party so it's just this long-term
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internal dynamic which you can only you know you could say it's caducean in that sense and you can
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only see it as actually building stability within the party i mean i agree that their declarations
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are bolder than i've heard recently and certainly bolder than what they were saying you know two
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weeks ago but it's it's actually not something new and you know i've often thought about that
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comparison between rhino and and cock and who was the rhino like rhino means republican in name only so
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you're not a real republican you're you're a squish or whatever um well a lot of those people
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you know including michelle malkin including other people they're saying that about trump in fact that
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he was a liberal uh which he was to a large extent he wasn't a true conservative and they were reacting
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against this kind of takeover of the party i think if cock had any kind of real resonance or traction
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in 2015 and 2016 it was directed at these true conservatives it was basically saying
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listen buddy we're not going to worry about the fact that he doesn't want to lower taxes
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and he wants to have a steel um industrial policy and that's violating free market principles you know
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we're going to save western civilization whether you like it or not and you're just a cock who's going
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to roll over and not fight the big fight and i think the cock really had very strong resonance
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i i think now whenever i hear it i just you know roll my eyes um but even that i think was was also
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kind of part of that internal dynamic within the right that where you're you're you're constantly you
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you keep wanting churn among conservatism you keep wanting a new harder core trumpian person and that
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and that includes getting rid of people who you thought were hard to curl like kemp and georgia
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and others just a couple days ago or tucker is now not hardcore enough you keep wanting that more of the
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real thing you you know we need to get you know we you know we need ted cruz but even more ted cruz
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as opposed to rethinking things and deciding that you want something actually you actually want something
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different or you want to understand something in a different way um i think there's a tremendous
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amount of delusion uh involved with the rigged narrative now look were there are there some
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irregularities in an election well when 150 million people vote i imagine that there are going to be some
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problems along the way that's just in endemic to this system um do they really know what they're
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talking about when they say this is this election is a clearly fraud no they don't know what they're
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talking about at all and they have no insight into this they just are guessing and saying this without
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real evidence their evidence is that trump was ahead on the day before they can you know before they
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counted mail-in ballots or everyone loves trump or his rallies were big that's their evidence there's
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i have not seen anything compelling beyond that um and i think there's this kind of delusion of the
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rigged narrative where you don't want to actually look at why trump lost and why trump lost is a
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complicated phenomenon why he lost um there are major demographic reasons why it's becoming more and
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more difficult for republican to win due to the changing uh demography that's true uh trump is
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also losing because he's losing the white vote he won less of the white vote in 2016 than mitt romney
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did he won even less of it in 2020 um there there is a significant drop off of these former obama voters
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the five percent these former obama voters in the midwest who voted for obama once or twice and
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voted for trump because they were taking a flyer on him they hated hillary they thought he stood for
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them and their their industrial jobs and so on um you need to really there's also a reason why he lost
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because he is just a an unbearable person who is utterly chaotic and doesn't actually accomplish
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anything through all of these endless fights that he gets into i think there's just an exhaustion
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that takes place among average voters that they want to not think about their president every day
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they want to just live their life and not have this endless scandal machine in the white house now
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that's not entirely his fault but it is his fault uh to a great degree um these are there are clear
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there are there are a number of reasons and it's complicated it's a complicated story but there actually
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are reasons why he lost this election and if you want to just tell yourself that this is all rigged
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and the liberals did this and they're evil and venezuela venezuelan programmers you know made michigan flip
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or whatever like you can tell yourself that story but all that means is that you're never going to
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examine reality you're never going to examine the problems of conservatism you're never going to examine
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the problems of the gop you're never going to examine the problems of the two-party system
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you're never going to really think about doing something bigger in the future if you keep telling
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yourself this rigged narrative and i i think that's the fundamental problem i mean with a rigged
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narrative the gop and maga and trump and trump himself they can tell themselves this you know
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ridiculous story but one that they believe which is that he didn't actually lose that everything he did
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was right that his response to coronavirus was perfect and everyone loved it he's your favorite
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president as he says rallies and they can just keep telling themselves and never really face reality
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the reality of the situation their own failings of their own problems of the bigger problems within
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the system uh and so i i would say you know even if the rigged narrative has a kernel of truth to it
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and i'm dubious about that but even if it has a kernel of truth it's still a false narrative because it
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leads you to believe bigger untruths about yourself and your role in the gop and the gop's role in the
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american system yeah no i mean i think the problem is that uh democracy as a phenomena is rigged it's just a
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democracy is always rigged right uh nietzsche has this um uh he he makes this uh remark that every
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civilization is effective effectively an oligarchy right so whether that's a monarchy or it's a
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a civilization that calls itself a republic or a democracy they're all ultimately oligarchies right
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so wealth and an elite actually control the society in every instance so we we lived in a rigged system
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regardless but if you look you know if you look on the if you look closer if you look at the details
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like how could trump have won i mean we know that trump is not really about a valuable president for
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us anyways because he's he's betrayed us he hasn't uh fulfilled his promises so we know that he's actually
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not our ally anyways and in a lot of ways trump is uh is uh more dangerous to us in a lot of ways in
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the way that the gp uh gop was before trump came and trump effectively was assimilated by the gop he
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he ended up being something that was not uh terribly distinct from the gop because he kind of adopted to
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it and so i but he is a more dangerous uh precedent for us because uh whites believe that just by looking
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at the guy just because of some of his rhetoric and some of his race baiting they think that the
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guy is actually working for their interests but the reality of it is that he's not working for our
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interests and he hasn't been his whole presidency um so he becomes more dangerous in that regard
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whereas someone like biden and biden actually ends up being a very intelligent decision uh for the
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democrats he ends up uh sort of mollifying uh the situation as it were whereas obama was a you know
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an obama now would be very dangerous uh for the left right so in other words if obama was the president
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we had now uh that would activate the right in a because i mean that's really just by his physical
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presence yeah yeah yeah because we're because obama in office actually wasn't that radical i mean not
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saying he was great or anything but it's not like he you know came in and forced intermarriage on
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anyone or something like that he was a vaguely conservative president in office but just the
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presence itself activated something like the fact that the tea party just emerged like organically in 2008
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and 2009 due to his election is remarkable and i think the liberals are always correct when they're like
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this is ultimately about race guys you know like they talk about the constitution and tax cuts
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but like this is about a black president i think the liberals were right about that yeah no i think
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that they are absolutely in a lot of ways they're more sober on the race question as it were
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are they're just more sober on the race question the difference there is perspective right so
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the kind of subtext or the understanding from the left is that you know that uh the white man basically
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has to lose this racial struggle or that's the assumption from the left but they speak in a kind
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of clearer way about race um because that premise is essentially kind of accepted in our society on
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some level right so we understand that um uh that whites have to kind of see their dominant position to
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non-whites that's sort of the kind of moral narrative of our society and the left has that moral narrative
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whereas the right doesn't really have a moral narrative because the problem with the right
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is that it can't identify itself to the extent that it's the white party right so and that's why we'll
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continue to have these um ultimately fruitless um uh sort of cycles uh you know yeah i mean it's
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you could argue that things are getting more radical and more polarized and i think that's certainly the
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case but so long as like you know so long as the the real agenda or the real interest can not speak
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its name we'll never make real progress i mean we have to be explicit on this racial topic and i don't
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think that doesn't mean that we have to be um uh you know scary or vulgar or uncivilized or barbaric
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but it means that we have to start speaking in a clear manner uh and support candidates at some
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point this just has to happen support candidates candidates that are explicitly um talking uh in
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the interests of whites that are talking about uh white interests and and advancing white interests
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i mean this so this is all going to be this kind of like both parties are ultimately going to be these
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kind of mystery religions as it were where they can't actually talk about what's going on and again
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the left can kind of talk about in a more explicit way to the right can't talk about it it's not about
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race where you know they're equally supportive of transgender people and homosexuals now at this
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point i mean that's what it's come to where um you know it's it's about you know so basically
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we're back into a corner where we just basically have to tell the truth at some point and
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we anyway yeah well i think you said something when maybe over dinner or something and it's it's almost
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like everyone's talking around the race issue and in various using various metaphors and you know
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and pronouncements and so on but no one can you know it's it's all about like how are you going to
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talk your way around this this issue and that's really what the two parties do and so the the the
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liberals have you know on one part of them wants to be truly antagonistic and domineering about this
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and that is a a certain kind of you know antifa element uh a blm in most of its moods not all
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sometimes it's softer but in a lot of its moods it's a it's a hardcore we're taking back the streets this
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is about us this is about moralizing us and demoralizing you uh and so on but then you have
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the kind of joe biden you know hokey smiley face version of this same thing which is like well you
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know things are things are going tough right now and things are got to change but you know we're going
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to do this together because we're all americans we're going to lower the temperature a little bit
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as a line that he would you know refrain and i he would use his refrain and i do think that he was
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brilliant i mean the choice of joe biden it's not something that i quite expected and i think
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it was a brilliant choice and it was maybe their only choice in this kind of hyper polarized time
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and we're going back to someone putting aside kamala harris as vice president who's an ambiguous
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figure herself but we are going back in time to like maybe george w bush but not even george w bush
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i mean i think we're going back a number of decades in terms of what this president represents for the
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american people joe biden is from the 80s he's from the cold war he's from a time when the voting
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population was 90 white he's from a different era and we're kind of going back to that in that aesthetic
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now in order to you know allow for this transition to happen more smoothly and it's a kind of brilliant
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move on their part but again even the hardest core hardest core of the gop is all it is at the same
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time kind of just still talking around this issue and never really addressing it and and always kind
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of addressing it in some abstract way that doesn't even necessarily support it so i i think all of
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this obsession with like voter fraud or something it reminds me of the conservatives talking about
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like religious freedom or something so it's like we're not going to say outright that we want a
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christian society we're instead going to say that we want religious freedom for everyone and so religion
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becomes this like thing you believe in the private sphere and it's not actually a dominant force in
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society it doesn't inform political how we make decisions but you just you just have the right to be
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a buddhist or a catholic or a jew or a muslim in the privacy of your home they they just talk around
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this issue well the source of their angst is always the fact that they feel like they're living in
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increasingly de-christianized society that's the source of their ranks they can't really address
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it they can't address the real and you see this again with the delusion of a rigged election where
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it's like let's not talk about the demographic reality which really affected this let's not talk about
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trump's problems with white people in fact why he can't win let's not talk about the fact that he either had
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no policy vision was a total failure or is a just you know figurehead up in there who can't accomplish
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anything as president let's not actually address these really serious issues that are worth discussing
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and and and dissecting and examining and and that can actually change the way we do things can like put
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us on a new path let's instead claim that we in fact won this election and that we don't have to change
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anything trump was great we just need more of it that's what it means when they're saying we want
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a hardcore conservative it's like let's become more delusional let's become more retarded about this issue
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that is all that they are saying by saying there was voter fraud uh so i you know again um i and none
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of these people are seriously concerned about voter fraud i don't know of a single person who mentioned the
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the possibility of voting machines and so on being bad two weeks ago this is something that came up
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it's a that came up after the election and that is in entirely a way of justifying this just continued
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dream world that conservatives want to exist in you know i i think that there's an inability or rather
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of want or desire to grasp reality in this case or the truth of the situation they're in yeah in
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really ways it's actually like a sexual fetish and we talked about this a lot we did the ebl shows on
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the con and psychoanalysis and sexual fetishes right and we talked about how for example the rape fantasies
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what breaks them down is the actual rape occurring because it's you fantasize something because it protects
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you from the traumatic real of something yeah it turns it into an object of desire basically by
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shielding you from the trauma of the real and there seems to be a very similar dynamic at play here
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because one thing i was thinking about is is if these conservatives the populist conservatives or the
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average working conservative actually got what they wanted this true conservative that would completely
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mentally destroy them and their sense of reality because think about it really they've already they've
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always had it that is simply what it is right and so we i've made this point a few times about like
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the classical american conspiracy techno thriller those kinds of spy novels and geopolitical novels
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where like some analyst in the cia discovers some corrupt plot within the bureau or something and then it
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goes all the way to the president and then he solves this case and then he they get rid of the bad
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apples and then all of a sudden the greatness of the system is restored yeah right so the phantasmic
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appeal of the system the kind of fantasy of it is maintained by just removing these corrupt
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actors that are somehow disturbing that fantasy right and this is what's interesting to me
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is in the same way this is really a dynamic that's at play with the american right and all of its history
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it's i see this recurring pattern that if they actually recognize that the conservatism that they
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want the conservatism that they're pining for in america the actual traumatic seed the kernel the real
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of what it is is actually what they're saying is the corrupt thing right and so they have this fantasy of
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there's always another explanation for why their preferred leader can't get something done there's always
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another explanation right and it creates this fantasy but what that fantasy of corruption is actually
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doing is protecting them from the reality of the fact that the conservatism in america was built on
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a foundation that is utterly at odds and eroding of that christian society that they desperately believed
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in right they never want to recognize that very much in the founding of america and american liberalism
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is as you were saying richard this privatized interior removal of essentially aspects of your
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being that make who you are and making it something interior and having some separate market world and
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some physical conservative world that is the traumatic reality of conservatism and that's why these stories
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appear because it's the fantasy of corruption is what's protecting them from recognizing that they are living
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and have always lived in a corrupt society that did not act accurately live up to what they thought in their