RadixJournal - The Spectre Spectre

00:00:00.000 i just thought it would be fun to do a kind of specter bond chat and it can be real casual

00:00:26.140 um i am kind of i am interested in like getting at what specter really is

00:00:32.720 um because it seems to have a lot of interesting and contradictory meanings it seems to be a neo-fascist

00:00:44.500 organization and a jewish organization at the same time um and yeah i was just gonna kind of i just

00:00:51.820 thought we could talk about you know just this i this kind of like idea of a a wicked secret elite

00:01:00.000 you know this um and how that plays out and we can just kind of see where this goes

00:01:05.580 um what are your initial thoughts on that when it comes to the character of ian fleming he

00:01:11.500 he is a an equal opportunity offender and so i think the character of aric goldfinger is

00:01:19.040 specifically intended to be jewish oh yeah if you look at the character of dr no he's kind of a

00:01:26.120 blended half chinese half germanic yeah villain uh if i remember i don't think blofeld is actually

00:01:35.400 supposed to be jewish no he's actually specifically not jewish he he mentions somewhere that blofeld

00:01:42.520 that there's a um note of blofeld's birth in a cathedral yes right in in thunderball but i think

00:01:50.820 it's also hard not to get away from a certain jewish quality to specter like i was just looking at 1.00

00:01:59.140 my copy of thunderball here but um he talks about the boulevard uh usman again that's a

00:02:06.900 houseman uh but that's actually did you know that's actually a prediction of arl inspector

00:02:14.680 really i'm joking oh lord all right you went all vigilant citizen on me

00:02:22.780 yeah that's my main competition i guess i can't stand vigilant citizen but

00:02:28.840 oh really that's interesting you think he steals your stuff or he's wrong i've actually caught them

00:02:36.000 i've actually caught them ripping off stuff interesting and it's very watered down i guess

00:02:42.780 for a mass audience which yeah um you know but yeah they've two or three times they've sort of

00:02:48.900 directly ripped off without pretty big pretty big sections and i've emailed them and said uh you know

00:02:55.600 i don't mind you doing this if you could just link me and they won't ever do it so i've taken a very

00:03:01.340 negative attitude to whoever that is and it seems to be a uh a an arab sounding guy who

00:03:09.740 is in the uk interesting because there's a there's a youtube channel that goes under that moniker i guess

00:03:16.100 because people wondered for a long time who vigilant citizen x actually is but yeah uh i take it to be

00:03:22.740 just some sort of goofy not that bright arab guy in the uk interesting because he kind of he kind of 1.00

00:03:31.640 sounds like uh ali g if you listen to the videos i've never listened to those i didn't know that he

00:03:38.320 his voice was even i happened upon it yeah you'll find there's a there's a channel called vigilant

00:03:43.520 citizen and it's pretty it lines up pretty well with all the material on the website and you listen

00:03:49.180 to this guy it sounds like it sounds like ali g it's like the illuminati i've got many clones out

00:03:55.900 there in the world here for example is really that's kind of yeah it's like p is p diddy part

00:04:02.720 of the illuminati it's like is this is this some arab british guy is like a rapper or something what is

00:04:09.720 this guy anyway that's funny it is a weird situation but um but anyway so with with specter i mean i i don't

00:04:19.540 um i mean i see it kind of as because you know ian fleming was running in a lot of elite circles i think

00:04:28.940 he had a good sense for the way that human beings can be easily um given a boogeyman and

00:04:38.440 why i don't believe that there are no boogeyman i think that the the general approach of british

00:04:44.280 intelligence for my research was to utilize projection so a lot of what they would be doing

00:04:50.000 they would project on to to other people um and you know the relationship of jews in england is

00:04:57.180 pretty complex because you know post cromwell you have the jews coming back and they've always been 1.00

00:05:02.800 quite a bit of i guess intermarriage i guess you could say amongst british

00:05:08.520 anglo elite and the jewish banking elite and so forth so i don't know that it could easily be

00:05:14.060 parceled out but my general assessment of ian fleming is not that he was particularly

00:05:20.580 anti-semitic but rather that he he took up just a sort of pragmatic british imperial view

00:05:27.060 is the way i'll look at it interesting and i and i and i do want to talk like bigger picture but i

00:05:32.840 think this might be a good place to start um i remember watching thunderball a few years ago and

00:05:39.720 this this hit me where um specter is introduced and there's this very famous scene where they're in

00:05:47.060 this um you know ken adams set uh very famous long table stainless steel it's hyper modernist and a

00:05:55.780 kind of scary scary way um you know maybe in a fascist way you could say as well or a communist

00:06:02.340 way you could say as well and um and blofeld is there and there's a garage door effectively that's

00:06:09.320 half lowered so you never see his face and you just have this booming voice that comes over uh it's a

00:06:15.760 highly and then he of course you know electrocutes someone to death for for being uh a bit too corrupt or

00:06:24.000 or being corrupt within his organization a very famous scene parodied many times uh one thing you

00:06:30.880 forget is that the this underground layer where they are it's in a bank um and it's a uh it's on this

00:06:40.040 famous you know street in paris and they the front for specter is the society for stateless persons

00:06:49.260 um and that struck me when i was watching it that that it struck me again just to have these

00:06:57.200 resonances with a jewish elite um and to maybe be a kind of crypto reference to jews um just in the

00:07:06.800 sense i mean obviously jews are not stateless now they have their own state um but that was you know

00:07:13.760 their consciousness you know amongst ashkenazi jews in europe and sephardic jews as well

00:07:19.200 it it came about as being stateless um and then there's the the banking reference there to boot

00:07:27.020 um and i just that kind of that little key opened up a lot for specter and and it did make me wonder i

00:07:35.620 you know i think there's a there are there are a lot of fascist or nazi references with bond villains

00:07:42.340 and uh you know in like the the book of uh moonraker uh the villain hugo drax is is literally a a neo-nazi

00:07:52.860 or a or just a nazi yes unreconstructed nazi um who's you know going to seek revenge against britain

00:08:00.500 and so on um but there so there in there there are other references as well in the films uh and in the

00:08:06.960 books for this kind of you know hitlerian type of mad genius um but there there seems to be almost this

00:08:16.420 other fear present with specter and and that is the a jewish elite um so why don't we let let me just 0.90

00:08:28.420 let me just throw that out to you and then uh let's kind of like see where that goes i mean what

00:08:36.320 talk maybe talk a little bit about because about your research because you've done a lot with

00:08:41.220 fleming's own background in you know secret services and an intelligent wartime intelligence and so on

00:08:47.740 um and then you've also done a lot in terms of thinking about uh you know thinking about elites

00:08:55.220 thinking about their messaging to society through popular culture and so on so so what what kind of

00:09:01.360 doors does that key unlock for you and in terms of all these things well if we think about the

00:09:08.480 character of fleming himself and i did read some biographies of him before i when i was doing my

00:09:15.180 grad work on his use of bond he of course lived prior to political correctness and he was you know

00:09:24.840 it was a lot freer and able to in the sense of cultural commentary and and commenting on people

00:09:32.080 groups it was a lot freer to be able to say what what he really thought and i remember researching his

00:09:37.860 own personal library and he had he had quite a few interesting titles obviously i'm not trying to read

00:09:44.660 too much into merely what books one possesses uh one if somebody saw my my library they might draw

00:09:51.940 all kinds of crazy conclusions but uh he did have quite a few uh race studies he did have quite a few

00:09:57.300 books on civilizations eugenics um and so forth so i think that he was on the up and up i suppose you

00:10:05.700 could say when it came to the reality of different people groups and so i i think that you can clearly

00:10:13.940 see with the character of or goldfinger that he is talking about a jewish person there he is talking

00:10:19.100 about the jewish influence in banking and uh you know monetary schemes and so forth that's the whole

00:10:29.300 point of that character it's interesting that you bring up the question of um specter in relationship

00:10:37.560 to the stateless group i always took that just simply to mean that that specter was was purely

00:10:46.600 international that you had this this elite sort of oligarchic level of society that was beyond

00:10:55.160 concerns for nation-state or homeland or anything like that because they they were essentially moneyed

00:11:02.000 oligarchs that uh you know a george soros type character but i hadn't thought about it from the

00:11:07.380 perspective of the stateless in the sense of uh you know ashkenazic or something like that which i suppose

00:11:13.880 as possible i think something has to be going on there i mean you could even say it's unconscious

00:11:18.860 which i'm i would be fine with but there's something going on there and it's actually i just uh googled

00:11:23.920 it really quick it's um f-i-r-c-o in the novels the international brotherhood for the assistance of

00:11:30.160 stateless persons which you know again i i think what's interesting about it is that it flows both ways

00:11:37.360 it can you know so it's like an ambivalent concept it almost sounds it almost sounds like a humanitarian

00:11:42.780 ngo oh it definitely is which has other resonances with like you know soros groups and things like

00:11:49.000 that but right soros is helping quote refugees right exactly yeah and so it's i i don't i it's so

00:11:57.040 pregnant with like multiple meanings that i i can't imagine that there there isn't something going on

00:12:03.020 well there have been accusations in bond scholarship and bondology is you know a whole field of study

00:12:10.980 for those that might not be aware you know of fleming being something like closet nazi or closet

00:12:19.620 anti-semitic or this or that or whatever uh i i don't tend to think so just because of the

00:12:25.980 number one his operations in world war ii in regard to the germans and the many black ops and

00:12:35.440 covert ops that he was he was involved in and uh i don't believe that that means he was necessarily

00:12:42.440 committed to any ideology i think he tended to follow that english penchant for pragmatism you know

00:12:49.800 that uh alexander dugan is always uh rightly criticizing uh so i tend to i tend to see him as

00:12:56.840 pragmatic he comes from a banking family uh he went to eton he was recruited most likely i think in

00:13:04.740 germany when he was at um a boarding school uh for british intelligence work and and then later you

00:13:12.240 know went into naval psyops so i i see he worked for this man named sir godfrey who is uh a very high up

00:13:18.680 uh person i mean i've always wondered about this because a lot of the ways that fleming's career

00:13:25.720 has been depicted has been as oh he was a bit of a dilettante he he wished that he could have

00:13:31.320 been james bond but he had to write novels to you know satisfy his his fantasy life which i'm sure

00:13:40.000 there's a huge kernel of truth to that but uh but do you think there was in a way more going on

00:13:45.880 in terms of his fleming's own espionage and his oh absolutely yeah and i think craig cobble's book

00:13:53.840 on that shows that definitively because of the many many instances of um it's called ian fleming's

00:14:01.500 secret war the many instances of the tie-ins between the stories and his own life now i don't think it

00:14:08.200 was just ian fleming i think there were you know a host of contenders that were sort of an amalgamation

00:14:15.780 for the creation of the character of bond and this would be you know all the way back to maybe sir

00:14:21.100 walter raleigh or even maxwell knight and these different uh even perhaps crowley even perhaps

00:14:29.040 uh dennis wheatley you know all of these people probably in some way function to create the collage

00:14:38.820 right of the character of bond so uh i i generally tend to argue yes that the bond novels themselves

00:14:46.600 had multiple functions i think they functioned as ian fleming's own fantasy world i think they

00:14:54.360 functioned as a tool for him to utilize projection to always make uh russians and germans and so forth

00:15:04.100 be the villains and you'll see this you know that dialogue come up quite often in the novels i think

00:15:08.760 even in the first one in casino royale uh vesper land or someone says to bond like why are you why do

00:15:17.360 you even care about this you know what i mean like why aren't you a pragmatist why aren't you getting

00:15:22.380 yours you know what i mean and bond says something to the effect of uh well yes it is all kind of a

00:15:29.940 manichean dialectic of east versus west of cowboys allies he says but you know what i i might as well

00:15:37.920 just do what i want because i enjoy the pleasures of life and so so bond is presented more or less as

00:15:46.460 just kind of this hedon hedonistic figure uh who enjoys the pleasures of life at least early on

00:15:53.180 you might could argue that he he evolves as a character but early on he seems to be a kind of

00:15:59.200 hedonistic nietzschean beyond good and evil killing machine more or less um so you know maybe in fleming

00:16:07.820 had a period in his life where he felt that way maybe over time he he felt different because of course

00:16:14.220 you know in the stories uh what is it by you only live twice the bond eventually gets married

00:16:21.200 yeah uh so you know maybe there's a change of heart uh they tried i think roughly to reflect that

00:16:28.180 in the daniel craig reboots uh where you have him kind of settling down with the uh leah sadu

00:16:37.580 character i forget her name and specter but yeah madeline swan yes there you go swan um

00:16:43.980 i'm rambling but yeah i think no ramble away this is all interesting i think it is i think it's a

00:16:50.560 combination of factors and it is partly fleming's fantasy world and it's also propaganda at the same

00:16:58.620 time yeah let's go into that i'll just um make a some quick observations about bond the the character

00:17:06.060 um uh bond the character is not jack ryan you know from from um you know the hunt for red october and

00:17:15.540 uh what is this i'm forgetting his name for the moment um uh the uh tom clancy tom clancy of course

00:17:21.460 yeah he's you know and and obviously all of these figures are are in some way based on james bond but

00:17:27.960 you know clancy's figures are these uh patriotic maybe even moralist moralizing

00:17:34.840 uh jack ryan's catholic interestingly uh they're these patriotic moralizing good guys that are

00:17:42.400 uh effectively totally morally virtuous and you know do it to protect the republic god damn right

00:17:48.980 right um bond isn't really no he's not yeah bond is a very equivocal figure i mean at some level he's

00:17:57.260 he's kind of a flat figure uh in the sense that he he doesn't always have like the depth of his

00:18:04.080 villains um he he's he's kind of a in a very daniel craig type way he's kind of like a broken

00:18:10.860 young man who yeah is exactly thrown out there into the world um and and i think but then there's

00:18:19.280 another kind of level to him as well which is you know you can see this at the end of casino royale

00:18:24.400 where he's like i want to get to the hand that is that holds the whip you know i i want to i want

00:18:30.460 to delve deeper and and get to those like hidden forces behind everything um and so you know on on

00:18:37.640 one level he is a you know a british patriot you know and i don't i don't think you should

00:18:45.380 discount that totally at least um but on another level he's this you know like modern post-english

00:18:53.860 person um and he's you know he he's not really even fighting the cold war in the way that jack

00:19:01.720 ryan would you know he's he's fighting some secret war uh against all of these these these unknown

00:19:09.560 forces that are are kind of like avatars of of different different things um so i that i think

00:19:17.460 that's in a way why you know um james bond is this iconic figure it's that you know i mean you could

00:19:25.680 argue that that john le carré's uh world of espionage is kind of more more human you know it's it's all

00:19:34.020 about betrayals of the heart and ambivalence and you know winning and losing kind of at the same time

00:19:40.540 you know and i i'll i'll hand him that he you know that that definitely he definitely achieves that

00:19:45.720 kind of human poignancy and tragedy um but the thing about bond and why i'm i've been fascinated

00:19:53.600 with him my whole life and i still am is that he kind of there's these this darkness and this

00:19:59.820 this grasping towards sex and death and mysteries and monsters and and uh and and you know there's

00:20:08.580 always this you know the the sense of there's something going on beyond the cold war it's it's it's 0.98

00:20:13.620 not just the headlines like there's actually some monstrous half half chinese crypto fascist who 0.72

00:20:22.260 lives in a volcano who's green it's there's there's something about it that that's grotesque

00:20:28.200 that um that that it always seems to indicate that there's something else going on there

00:20:33.580 well another angle to that could be that he bond the character bond is middle lower middle class

00:20:43.460 yeah and you you continually get the impression in the novels that that he's more or less detached from

00:20:49.460 the patriotism that he's supposed to feel he may operate exteriorly in a patriotic fashion and

00:20:56.280 get the job done so to speak but you know he he seems to resent many times the character

00:21:03.040 of him as handler uh you know he when he's asked why he serves queen and country

00:21:09.780 the responses are generally just pragmatic uh why why not right i mean it's in my benefit

00:21:16.100 hedonistically speaking to do so so why not um so i think that the because he

00:21:25.720 the the queen queen and country this is a sort of stand-in mother figure for him yeah uh and i

00:21:33.480 mean that's kind of i guess basic pop psychology analysis but i think there's something to that

00:21:38.500 right because he's orphaned and because the state just sort of steps in to take that role

00:21:44.600 uh he resents that he resents his own life and that's why he represents

00:21:54.000 many bondologist scholars you'll read they'll they'll talk about him as the ubermensch character

00:22:00.980 he is the beyond good and evil character because he's not he's really not committed to these

00:22:06.340 ideologies he doesn't he doesn't really believe that queen represents him or that she is any kind of

00:22:12.420 uh matriarchal figure to him uh but but he is in that sense self-interested however 0.74

00:22:18.320 is fleming presenting uh something dark darker and deeper going on in the sense of a shadow government

00:22:27.640 and i would say yes i would say absolutely uh you could one could i suppose debate to what degree

00:22:33.800 and fleming would be a part of that i mean i think that he like most of us had good and bad aspects to

00:22:40.960 his being so i don't think that he was directly intentionally part of an international cabal to

00:22:46.600 to wreck the globe and you know create some sort of global government but i do think that he is

00:22:52.520 talking about the reality of that kind of a plan that you do have internationalists conspiring to

00:23:00.120 to erect this uh monstrosity and that's really what this octopus specter represents

00:23:10.700 is a monstrosity do you think he had a taste of that during his war service

00:23:16.580 yes but that might depend on to what degree one what perspective a person takes on on world war ii

00:23:30.320 um i mean if we just follow the mainline story you know he then he was a good guy because he was

00:23:36.240 fighting nazis well i mean i i believe that history is a lot more complex i know you you don't take that

00:23:43.780 simplistic of a view of good guy bad guy uh i tend to agree with the presentation of carol quigley not

00:23:51.880 because i believe his philosophy but because he is writing from the perspective of the council on

00:23:57.040 foreign relations that that the western banking elite uh saw a lot of interest in essentially stirring

00:24:06.660 up two world wars uh the first of which would weaken well world wars one and two had the effect of

00:24:15.480 weakening russia and germany which are the he's the historic enemies of the british empire so 0.77

00:24:21.040 even though america later you know comes to take on the role of sort of the progenitor the continuation

00:24:28.940 of the atlanticist democracy tradition of the west uh you know it's it's it precisely the characters

00:24:37.620 of the irregulars it's it's precisely william stevenson is precisely bill donovan and and ian fleming who are

00:24:46.040 the ones working in the background to really ensure that the u.s will come into the war on the side of

00:24:52.280 the allies and i don't think that was accidental because this is that was at the behest of british

00:24:58.600 intelligence and there's been a lot of books that actually you know treat of that subject so i see it as

00:25:05.680 um kind of a long-term plan to to weaken and destroy uh russia and germany at for the interests of the

00:25:15.380 west and to what degree fleming saw that i suppose could be debated but i don't know the cutout villains

00:25:25.140 i think the biggest takeaway is that you have all these villains that are cutouts these you know

00:25:31.420 almost cartoonish people and you think oh well it's fiction but then when when i look at the supposed

00:25:39.320 villains that i'm supposed to take as villains in the real world quote unquote they seem to me to be

00:25:45.140 just as cartoonish and hollywoodish uh you know when i look at a character like bin laden

00:25:50.700 and i look at his background and his associations with the cia to me bin laden is just as cartoonish as

00:25:57.780 a blofeld so i i wonder you know was was fleming telling us something like that interesting what are

00:26:05.660 go through that i mean what what do you think a lot of the villains were stand-ins or or composites

00:26:12.140 for for contemporaneous uh world yeah so a lot of the the bond scholars i think uh mcintyre

00:26:21.180 uh has a couple books where he'll talk about uh le chifre uh in casino royale is in some sense a

00:26:30.200 composite of crowley and we know we know that dennis wheatley who was also uh yeah mi5 uh

00:26:39.700 handler we know that he had direct meetings with crowley and of course wheatley was doing that for

00:26:47.280 research in regard to his uh esoteric sort of spy novels with uh you know the duke de richelow

00:26:57.220 character played by christopher lee so he was interested in the occult world of things and

00:27:03.560 and many have made the argument that perhaps uh you it looks like crowley had some degree of

00:27:11.320 association with mi5 as perhaps an asset or provocateur there there's evidence to suggest

00:27:18.120 that uh richard spence has a book on that uh and we know that uh the other richard spence

00:27:25.680 correct right not me uh because wheatley had met with crowley and they talked about some of these

00:27:35.080 operations they might use him for because he was viewed as you know this powerful

00:27:40.300 sort of sorcerer talisman by a lot of people the idea was well how you know could we capitalize on that

00:27:46.940 and use that in uh some sort of operation and there's speculation you know as to whether he might

00:27:52.980 have been involved in the rudolph hess flight but i don't know that anybody's actually proven that

00:27:57.160 it's a lot of speculation so um a lot of bondologists will talk about lachif being uh partly inspired by

00:28:08.440 crowley uh as well as blowfeld actually there's some of the bondologists will talk about uh maybe

00:28:15.080 fleming saw that as a blowfeld character too because yeah you know if somebody known as the most

00:28:20.900 wickedest you know the wickedest man on earth or whatever that's there's a lot of

00:28:24.120 uh there's a lot of drama to be had there by by crafting your characters uh you know and if you

00:28:31.920 look at say the donald the donald passion's version yeah i had to throw in my donald pleasance there

00:28:38.800 uh if you look at the donald he does kind of look like crowley he has this very oh yeah this

00:28:46.080 baldish look and but i don't know if that's maybe just speculating there but um i have

00:28:52.660 i've already forgotten what the question was but

00:28:55.280 i did too i think i asked whether um uh whether fleming had a taste of

00:29:04.740 of a kind of secret elite during the war oh yes i think so yeah but no no no it's it's fine i i like

00:29:13.300 flowing into two other things like that yeah it's also interesting the um in casino royale

00:29:19.000 though it's a tad oblique fleming makes it clear that the chief is jewish as well uh there's this

00:29:28.360 dossier that's that's read um and so i and i and he's also this like you don't know where he comes

00:29:34.740 from this is another yeah trope for bond villains which i think also kind of it resonates with a kind

00:29:41.180 of jewishness to to the villains is that oh where are they where are they coming from who are they 0.92

00:29:47.160 really there there's one line in goldfinger um where uh i i think it's when uh you know james bond and

00:29:55.980 um and uh felix lighter are in miami it's that famous scene where uh he goes uh dink say hello to 0.98

00:30:06.440 felix dink say goodbye to felix he's like uh be on be on your way man talk he slaps her in the butt 0.97

00:30:14.780 yeah but it's a very funny um kind of madman era you know uh uh misogyny or chauvinism but anyway 0.88

00:30:22.560 um yeah there's uh oh yeah there's a line in goldfinger right after that where uh felix where james

00:30:31.360 one asked felix lighter oh who is this or a goldfinger and uh lighter says oh he's british

00:30:36.260 but he doesn't sound like it and a lot of these villains will have these strange accents maybe like

00:30:41.940 a mixed accent a mixed heritage or that they you don't know where they are they've suffered amnesia

00:30:47.600 you that that's actually hugo drax who's the nazi and and um uh and the chief are both like that and

00:30:56.200 and i think that also seems to kind of resonate with a certain jewish quality to these villains

00:31:02.480 where um you know you don't it's a kind of like from the perspective of an englishman it's a it's a

00:31:09.060 who is this person exactly he has an english last name but what does that mean there's something about

00:31:14.840 him that's not right um and well certainly yeah and and amongst the british upper class you kind of have

00:31:23.860 this uh i mean you have you know the strains of very intense racial purity that's obviously been there

00:31:33.880 for a long time uh in the british upper class and you also have the interbreeding or intermixing with

00:31:43.760 quote-unquote jews whatever exactly that means whether it be ashkenazic or what so you know and we see that

00:31:51.040 with you know the the uh the king uh edward um what's his wife that i always forget her name

00:32:00.820 to me he married the uh american woman oh i know who that is yes wallace simpson yes wallace simpson yes

00:32:10.320 yeah so uh you know that's kind of a mysterious topic that i'm i'm still kind of on my own researching

00:32:18.940 like what exactly is going on in the background with interesting jewish uh relationships with

00:32:25.980 the nobility and upper class in england um

00:32:30.680 uh but when if if we look at the figure of

00:32:37.260 bond i think well excuse me the character fleming what i think like i said fleming is

00:32:45.360 pre-pc so he's a lot he's able to say a lot more and make a lot more

00:32:51.860 jokes and actually there's a lot of humor in this you know more or less with sort of the

00:32:57.780 stereotypical uh presentations i mean it's it's it would it would drive a social justice where you're

00:33:04.480 crazy today but it's not anything it's i mean it's it's something you might read in mark twain i mean

00:33:09.940 it's not that ridiculous or uh you know rudyard kipling or something where you have these 0.72

00:33:14.400 these uh quote racial statements or something i mean fleming has fleming has no problem making

00:33:20.080 these racial statements and making jokes yeah he's also fascinated by mixed the mixing of races and i

00:33:28.000 and that's the bad guy the bad guy is almost always some sort of mulatto or 0.96

00:33:32.520 uh he also has a some bizarre perversion you know that he's into exactly yeah there's something

00:33:39.720 tragic or or or demented about mixing races that when he did in in like dr no where he describes the

00:33:46.800 the she grows who were you know half chinese and chinese negro right chinese negro it's kind of like 0.89

00:33:53.020 they have the intelligence of the chinese but then you know the brutality of the negro kind of all mixed 1.00

00:33:59.040 together yeah i mean again it would send a blue-haired social justice warrior running up and you know

00:34:04.820 what's funny you can even watch it yeah if you if you watch live or let die which is 70s yeah uh it still

00:34:14.840 has the racial stuff in it yeah and my guess is that they tried to kind of mitigate it because it might

00:34:22.140 have been a little even for the 70s a little too unpolitically correct and so there's the like the

00:34:28.160 black cab driver will say where are you going cue ball yeah i mean he'll kind of throw in these white 1.00

00:34:33.920 jokes and then uh but but what's what's funny is that bond will kind of make those racial jokes back

00:34:40.520 and you have a lot of of racial parodies even in the film versions of liver let die yes which is it's

00:34:48.820 one of those films that's trying to not be racist but it's all it's generally viewed as the most racist

00:34:55.040 bond film which is also kind of funny not one of my favorite films by the way maybe one of my least

00:35:00.980 favorites um did did you know when he when he runs on the heads of the alligators that's actually

00:35:06.500 based on a real operation of ian fleming's are you serious oh well i don't know what to believe 0.92

00:35:14.480 i could believe it uh that is what i was so stupid that scene is so ridiculous oh yeah you know 0.90

00:35:20.220 we forget also in the age of cgi that was done for real i mean the guy did that i mean the granted 0.94

00:35:27.100 the crocodiles were alligators which like i always skip mixes up but i mean they're tied down or

00:35:32.480 something but there's actually on youtube they they have like outtakes of him running across the

00:35:38.480 alligators and so he's like slipping and falling and like about to be eaten it's just unbelievable it

00:35:45.280 wasn't roger moore by the way it was obviously a stuntman but but nevertheless did mr big was mr big's

00:35:51.780 head actually inflated i'm not sure they subjected uh did they did they pop a stuntman's head yeah

00:36:01.820 they had to go through a half a dozen stuntmen to get that scene right yeah they're like take three

00:36:07.260 uh but uh yeah yeah no no there's clearly like uh fleming clearly has a a racial consciousness and

00:36:19.920 he's he's fascinated by it he does and his library reflects that too i should that's what i was trying

00:36:25.720 to get at in the beginning yeah so what is tell me a little about a scholarship and you say you don't

00:36:31.580 quite buy it but this scholarship that he's a crypto nazi i don't think i've ever heard that before

00:36:38.580 well i mean there's

00:36:43.720 maybe i should qualify that because the where you're probably going to find that kind of a treatment

00:36:52.880 uh so i have a shelf on secondary bond studies and a lot of these i mean if you've been in academia

00:37:00.580 you know that when you're doing thesis type research you will be forced to get all these

00:37:07.900 books and these secondary studies that will be written by these feminists and so forth right 1.00

00:37:12.560 so there's all these there's like a whole book even on like feminist readings of bond or something

00:37:18.420 like this well i don't doubt that yeah and so you know their assessment of a lot of this is that oh

00:37:26.000 this is just the worst i mean this is the total you know patriarchal tester testosterone

00:37:33.840 capitalists you know everything that they see as just the worst thing in history is embodied in bond

00:37:41.760 and so that's that's it's gonna that was gonna be reflected in their analyses which i think is pretty

00:37:46.820 ridiculous because i mean these people have like no no sense of time you know like well that what was

00:37:55.420 appropriate for a certain time or how people you know these are the people who would try to ban mark 0.98

00:38:00.260 twain or something you know exactly no that is lunacy i would say that clearly fleming's no democrat just

00:38:06.820 just in the just in the sense that what's good and right in his world are basically old white guys 0.76

00:38:17.760 sending high energy young white guys out to engage in secret missions in which law is no obstacle you know

00:38:29.000 they have a license to kill in foreign lands let's also keep that in mind it's a kind of so i think there

00:38:35.800 is a i and and many other people have mentioned this i mean there's clearly like a neo-imperialist

00:38:41.220 quality to james bond where many many of the scholarly assessments we'll talk about i mean that will be

00:38:49.640 pretty common in the secondary scholarship is the imperial and in fact what i kind of argued when i was

00:38:56.020 doing my paper on it was that he is really the embodiment of the anglo-american establishment

00:39:02.680 for good or for ill so absolutely you're spot on let's go back to specter and what why don't i let

00:39:11.860 you talk a little bit here because you've done like much much more reading than i have and and and and

00:39:21.380 much more research into you know elite societies and and how the the existence of these you know hidden

00:39:30.020 elites which i would say is not a cons it's not a conspiracy theory every society has people who

00:39:36.500 are far more powerful than you know the politicians i mean give me a break it's not like harry reed and

00:39:42.520 nancy pelosi are actually determining the fate of the world you know there there are there are actors 1.00

00:39:48.120 that are much many magnitudes more powerful than those people um but uh let's just talk about

00:39:56.000 specter and maybe maybe a good jumping in point would be its reappearance um in this past film

00:40:04.640 uh called specter um i i think i i i think the bond film was doing a couple of things because they they

00:40:14.340 had to you know there's this long history of of you know uh mcclory and you know fleming and thunderball

00:40:22.260 it's a actually a really cool history about these legal battles and you know but effectively eon

00:40:29.300 productions had not owned the rights to blofeld or specter for many decades and in 2014 i believe

00:40:37.680 they bought them back and it or maybe it's 2013 it doesn't matter and um it was all set up for this

00:40:46.100 you know big reveal that we're we're both like going back to the past nostalgically we're

00:40:52.160 going back to the connery era of blofeld and specter um i i think also clearly that film was

00:40:58.060 trying to set up like a marvel cinematic universe type thing where uh you know all the films are now

00:41:04.640 related and you know inter you know interconnected and uh there's going to be this big villain out

00:41:11.020 there that's going to last for the next half a dozen films there's i i think they were definitely

00:41:15.140 going for that because they're seeing you know the marvel movies is you know this is you know they're

00:41:20.060 making so much money um but uh but i i but i i think on another level that whole like what specter

00:41:29.120 was was fairly confused in that film and i think that led the film to be very disappointing in my

00:41:35.920 mind um because when you i liked the look of it i this this idea of this you know ultra elite both

00:41:43.380 fashionable and aristocratic they're meeting in rome you know the uh you know a very you know

00:41:50.980 elite or conspiratorial city you could say um in the seat of power whether it's the catholic church

00:41:57.520 the roman empire so and there are all these great resonances the look of it was very good but i felt

00:42:02.520 like they um that what specter was was a bit confused in that film where you know that you you overheard

00:42:10.760 their meetings and they were you know engaging in sex trafficking or exactly drugs which you know

00:42:18.020 obviously that is terrible uh both terrible and profitable but i don't know it wasn't exactly

00:42:25.260 let's change the course of history type stuff you know kind of sounded like petty crime writ large

00:42:32.140 maybe you disagree with me here maybe it's a pizza gaty i don't know uh but then um on the and then

00:42:40.020 the the the you know the the the the plot takes you to a point where what specter is really about is

00:42:48.140 capturing all this information and so it becomes a kind of post edward snowden uh you know more

00:42:56.460 morality play about privacy and and so on um and i found that a little disappointing to be honest

00:43:04.340 because it it wasn't i don't know you know the whole point of it all was never put forward it was

00:43:10.180 like at one point it was almost like a laziness in the script or something at one point um blofeld says

00:43:17.260 you know information is all you know and it's it's like a you know middle school social science teacher

00:43:24.120 or something like the the worst guy out there is a tech geek yeah it's exactly it just wasn't you don't

00:43:32.180 you don't actually know what he was ultimately doing with it and it so i it wasn't you know even

00:43:39.700 with even with more comic book comic bookie and and you could even say silly villains like from the

00:43:45.560 more era uh and i'm thinking of of hugo drax um who was you know based on fleming's hugo drax in the

00:43:52.700 books but but in moonwrecker the film you know they they basically dialed the knob to 11 and this guy

00:43:58.820 wants to depopulate the entire planet outside of the animals and create a eugenic master races and 1.00

00:44:06.600 in space and then repopulate i mean it's totally ridiculous but i i almost admire it um then i'm

00:44:13.980 i'm forgetting what was the name it was a german name for the spy who loved me villain uh i'm forgetting

00:44:20.340 what his name is but he was also a kind of blofeld character but he wanted to create a new civilization

00:44:24.920 underwater you get that also in the film incarnation of uh zoran industries with uh christopher

00:44:31.580 christopher walken yes uh you know playing playing the the eugenic once again germanic yes yeah you know

00:44:40.020 guy who wants to basically take over silicon valley and then use earthquake weapons to destroy the west

00:44:47.780 coast but but yeah you're right that that is a recurring theme there where they dial it up to 11

00:44:54.100 and and you and you get the statement you know from the villain's mouth what he's doing but i love it

00:44:59.480 like i love it you know if that that i think that you know you can make fun of it if you want but

00:45:04.560 i don't care i think that's what makes these films great and you know and i think in a way we've lost

00:45:11.520 that in the 21st century where we haven't had any like great villain i mean like the craig era villains

00:45:17.620 are i mean casino royale what was that bribery there there was there was some guy funding some

00:45:23.600 like petty terrorist in africa i mean no world shaking stuff uh one guy who wanted to raise the

00:45:31.040 utility cost for third world you know people i mean yeah sucks to be them but it's not really that

00:45:38.940 earth shattering to be honest and then uh skyfall was like raul silva's revenge against m it was just

00:45:45.700 totally personal it had like no consequences um and then uh specter like they don't even know what

00:45:52.820 the villain's doing i think i think there's this kind of point where we almost i don't know can't

00:45:58.860 imagine a villain anymore or something i don't i don't know uh but well maybe maybe that's because

00:46:05.260 good guy bad guy evokes the notion of like objective uh you know morals or something and

00:46:13.180 you know the the modern post-modern establishment cannot allow there to be anything objectively true

00:46:20.360 or false i mean you know everybody's sort of brainwashed in the in the west into

00:46:24.740 different forms of relativism i'm just spitballing here that could be it but no i totally agree that

00:46:31.440 specter was a flawed film um the the you know the reboots all have their flaws i do think and i

00:46:39.600 argue in my book that the the aspects of the reboots actually have windows into real conspiracies and i

00:46:48.480 don't think that should be too hard to believe given the fact that you know most espionage writers all

00:46:54.940 the way back to conrad or graham green you know they're writing about oftentimes real events that

00:47:01.760 they saw right that they yeah you know would put into fiction and you know kim kim philby something

00:47:07.200 like this uh and so i don't think it's far-fetched that modern screenwriters and i didn't go to the

00:47:13.860 trouble to you know research every single screenwriter of all the new ones and see what their instagram

00:47:19.040 connections were or anything like this but uh i mean you you can take for quantum of solace for

00:47:26.040 example which i think is one of the weaker reboots what is interesting about quantum of solace is that

00:47:32.940 it it shows in my view the basic pattern of a kind of al gore type scam where where they will

00:47:41.480 utilize a sort of petty puppet dictator that they put in to sign say all the resources

00:47:48.980 of a people group over to this shadowy private entity that's a kind of shell or a front for what

00:47:55.060 we ultimately find out is specter but but in that installment i don't think it's accidental that

00:48:00.780 his name is mr green so you know under these sort of environmental uh you know overly obsessive

00:48:08.360 environmental compulsions he that's the front right the green movement uh you have this you know

00:48:15.060 basically transferal of uh people's you know resources and whatnot over to a private entity

00:48:21.420 and you do see a lot of multinationals attempting to do that attempting to you know buy some good

00:48:28.660 these crazy almost blowfeldian plots of like when i'm going to control all water you know what i mean

00:48:34.140 yeah yeah yeah i'm i'm or all carbon production on you know yeah right you know on the earth kind of

00:48:41.740 will be traded in one market that will be produced by goldman sachs yeah i mean there there is a

00:48:46.540 gargantuan conspiratorial aspect to it all um yeah no i i definitely noticed mr green as well

00:48:54.320 uh which is also a jewish name and a jewish fairly jewish looking actor which is interesting you can take

00:49:00.300 that for what it's worth um yeah you know what are what are some other aspects like how how does the

00:49:07.580 the the the um the elite like the secret elite type you know that quality of specter how does that

00:49:16.760 rhyme with with other you know elites in in history i think there's plenty of examples

00:49:26.220 even in the mainstream i think that could that would could fit that bill um more obvious ones you know

00:49:33.360 things like bilderberg group or something like this or to whatever degree the uh iron mountain

00:49:39.900 meeting was real i think that's could be debated whether it was real or fake or fake but actually

00:49:47.220 real what was that uh well this is i think it's out of the 60s if i recall and it's one of these kind

00:49:54.320 of classic documents of conspiriana does i call it the conspiracy realm where you have

00:50:01.320 uh this sort of um pentagon strategists and reincorporation type individuals you know meeting

00:50:08.060 behind closed doors at uh the iron mountain complex the sort of underground base type thing

00:50:14.180 i mean that that's like straight out of blofeld or something but you and what's interesting about the

00:50:19.900 doc the the report from iron mountain is that for a long time it was believed to be uh you know

00:50:27.140 essentially a conspiracy myth is something along the lines of like the protocols of zion or something

00:50:33.260 but what's interesting about the report from iron mountain is that a lot of what's talked about

00:50:37.680 in it if i it's been some years since i read it probably eight or nine years but it does talk about

00:50:43.040 you know large-scale social engineering it does talk about um a lot of the changes that we've seen in

00:50:50.600 the west so you know that i understand that that doesn't necessarily prove the document was real but it

00:50:56.500 could at least suggest that it might have been um other potential contenders for this you know you

00:51:04.100 have any number of secret societies that might have wealthy influential members um i think that's

00:51:12.220 essentially what kubrick was trying to convey with eyes wide shut is that you really do have these kinds

00:51:18.300 of uh cabals that you they have peculiar interests like sexual magic and yeah high-level masonry or

00:51:27.100 something like this well stop saying all this fake news that's uh right i love how this stuff where

00:51:34.240 like there's i don't know what was going on with pizzagate i mean and the pizza stuff and all of that

00:51:39.000 podesta things but to describe this as fake news which you know is being done by the mainstream

00:51:46.240 left right it's just ridiculous like something is going on well they haven't come out and said that

00:51:53.200 uh that the podesta emails are fake and if the all of these emails which back up all manner of

00:52:00.100 corruption including you know large-scale media collusion 60 plus talking heads and pundits

00:52:07.460 concluding with the dnc and and pay for play and you know hillary organizing funds being transferred with 0.88

00:52:15.800 uh saudi arabia and and you know hinting at basically running isis and all these sort of

00:52:21.440 things that the independent media has been talking about for a long time you know you have here a lot

00:52:26.440 of documentation then of course the spirit cooking and the the uh the bizarre terminology of pizzagate 0.94

00:52:33.940 you know the hot dogs and all this stuff whether it's code whether it's code for drugs or gay sex or 0.99

00:52:40.480 or what it's not exactly certain but you know to to just paste it all as as fake is is quite obviously 0.91

00:52:49.640 absurd and i think they're just really relying on nobody having you know whoever would believe that

00:52:57.780 has basically no familiarity with it or the topic because that is just on its face absurd but that

00:53:04.980 does tend to be the kind of the general approach of the establishment is to just um you know deny at

00:53:11.960 all costs of course even if it's not even necessary even if it makes you look absurd it's like they

00:53:18.220 still double down and continue you know with with their narrative but i mean there's a lot of other

00:53:23.560 contenders that could apply as well i mean you've got oh the dutro affair uh with marco dutro in belgium

00:53:33.660 and the belgian elite political class essentially trafficking and uh women and and uh this reportedly

00:53:42.160 involving ritual aspects um you've got savile in the the uk pedophiles and the whispers and and reports

00:53:54.200 of savile being interested in you know dark aspects of the occult and so forth so i mean i think there's a

00:53:59.860 lot of potential contenders that could apply in an eyes wide shut style scenario or a um

00:54:06.980 or a specter style scenario because i because they could potentially all be kind of blended together

00:54:12.280 because really it's just black markets and like you were saying with the film specter

00:54:16.360 what you see in their secret meeting in rome is basically a business meeting about running all the

00:54:24.360 black markets more or less uh and then you find there's actually a deeper agenda about

00:54:29.380 the real black market basically being this kind of private nsa setup that uh you know blofeld has in

00:54:38.600 tunisia or wherever it is

00:54:39.960 do you think we're i i would say maybe i'm naive that the this information gathering is hyper nationalized but

00:54:54.280 do you do you think there's an indication you know in in the sense that the united states does not want

00:54:59.200 to give up its goods um but do you do you think there is an internationalization to um uh to to

00:55:08.420 you know the the snowden like um you know yes data gathering where do you think that is that is centered

00:55:16.160 well in my opinion uh and and i'm not saying this based on no research but obviously i can't prove this

00:55:22.340 but i i would posit that the the real nsa is is not necessarily uh a government building you know

00:55:32.480 in virginia or massachusetts or wherever the nsa is located the real nsa would be uh much more

00:55:41.860 appropriately at&t right i mean these mega conglomerates and i say that because

00:55:48.760 at&t is i think i mean i i worked in sales for at&t for a year a while back so i have a little bit of

00:55:57.980 knowledge of the company and if i recall they're the largest global provider of internet if i recall

00:56:03.760 so uh that would be a much better contender uh for the actual arms of this octopus so to speak

00:56:13.600 and i i tend to think that a lot at the highest levels a lot of these sort of big tech giant things

00:56:18.920 uh i mean i don't want to be overly simplistic and paint it all as a giant conspiracy because i don't

00:56:23.880 think that reality is that is that easy to classify i understand there's competing power structures and so

00:56:32.200 forth sure uh but but i do think that you have you know it's not accidental that it's it's one company

00:56:40.680 that you know is a kind of cia front in qtel that puts forth the startup money for so many of these

00:56:48.560 now huge tech companies like facebook like google and so i i wonder at times if you know silicon valley

00:56:56.340 isn't just kind of a a frontispiece in a way for the military industrial complex and we know that that

00:57:02.400 you know there is backdoor technology that um that the nsa and it's you know whatever it really is

00:57:09.740 at&t or whatever bell labs or whatever you know they do have backdoor technology into

00:57:15.020 i mean this has come out even in trials with the promise technology and so forth so

00:57:20.520 so i would say yeah it's international and it's it's not just a government building because i you know

00:57:25.720 if they shut down that government building i mean let's say for the sake of argument that

00:57:29.140 these snowden leaks were such that they caused such a furor that uh for whatever reason the government

00:57:37.720 chose to shut down some building somewhere i mean at&t still exists so you know when i was working

00:57:44.780 when i was working there i went stood over these giant servers uh because they were underground and

00:57:52.320 this sounds like this sounds like a blowfeld type thing but i'm not joking like there's a giant data

00:57:57.040 storage facility uh you know it's right out of the blowfelds type thing uh not far from nashville

00:58:03.120 or it's actually outside of nashville and it houses all the internet traffic for

00:58:07.320 the entire tri-state region so uh you know if if that had all been shut down in terms of the nsa

00:58:16.700 they're not shutting at&t down i can tell you that so uh so i would say yes there is a real

00:58:24.720 match to what blowfeld's operation seems to be in that movie fascinating

00:58:33.240 well do you want to put a bookmark in it or is there some uh do you think there's a uh

00:58:41.420 some thread you'd like to pick up i would add that that uh if you're curious and you're listening to

00:58:48.640 this if you want to get the book the best place is to get it directly from me

00:58:52.220 that i would recommend the book by the way i i've read about half to three-fourths of it this

00:58:58.460 as i was flying to and fro texas and i i quite enjoyed the chapters thank you i appreciate that

00:59:04.980 yeah it's it's not it's it's some of it's goofy and light-hearted and satirical uh you know i deal

00:59:12.180 with kubrick for about the first 80 pages um the next chunk is spielberg and the alien mythos and

00:59:19.580 yeah i don't i don't believe in aliens but i'm interested in how spielberg wants us to believe

00:59:24.680 in aliens and why that might be uh and then the third chunk of the book is 70s and 80s dystopia

00:59:31.620 fantasy stuff that we all kind of grew up with and then that last section is uh hitchcock 007 and

00:59:39.620 um a couple chapters on david lynch and then the influence of uh cia and the pentagon and hollywood

00:59:46.120 uh so that's what the book is about and that way i would say just get it from me you can message me on

00:59:53.200 my on the website there's a tab and then you know through the socials of facebook and twitter i can be

01:00:00.760 accessed yes definitely it's remarkable how our tastes align we we like so much of so many of the same

01:00:08.120 things um you know the kubrick and bond and even spielberg and and stuff like that it's it's

01:00:14.760 remarkable well i wanted to again i know i never would have thought that just throwing up on a blog

01:00:23.020 you know just kind of these these and i'm not kidding like it was just kind of on the side

01:00:28.860 yeah and for for fun i was like hey why don't i just try writing you know a movie analysis that talks

01:00:34.920 about you know actual conspiracies i had a i don't want to bore you but i had a a film class

01:00:41.080 that uh when i was in college that that was basically it was out it was oliver stone movies

01:00:46.140 and we were looking at comparing history and we're supposedly what we think of the history and you

01:00:52.080 know the the way that oliver stone presents the yeah the story be it nixon be it gfk or whatever

01:00:57.160 el salvador and i thought you know that's actually you could do a whole book just on that just on

01:01:02.640 you know kind of reality and the threshold between reality and fiction and and what better avenue than

01:01:09.420 fleming and bond so just started throwing up these analyses and after you know about a hundred of

01:01:16.160 them a publisher comes along and says hey you want to put that together in a book i said yeah

01:01:21.040 so here we are there's a a fun book i think that uh it's educational at the same time it's kind of a

01:01:29.840 a light-hearted textbook i guess you could say yeah absolutely i i really enjoyed the tour and

01:01:36.860 it actually got my my wheels turning because i think there are actually some other levels that

01:01:42.940 you you didn't go into and but kind of reading your book kind of got my wheels turning and

01:01:48.360 got me thinking about these things so yeah it's definitely a fun read

01:01:51.560 yeah thank you uh that would be the main thing and um

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01:02:40.280 kids to universities just amen to that just pay pay people in the alternative media because i mean

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01:02:56.940 school leftover fossil telling them that they need to cut off their genitalia i mean this is supposed 0.88

01:03:05.400 to be what an education and western civilization is about or something that that is more or less 0.95

01:03:11.800 my experience and i went to a lot of schooling not all of it's bad of course but you have to kind of

01:03:17.500 like pick and choose you know you have to you have to have a map before you navigate something and

01:03:24.120 you can navigate universities and get a very good education but you have to do that proactively if

01:03:30.280 if you are passive and you let them be proactive then yes yeah and not a pizza related map

01:03:39.480 right that's true

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RadixJournal - November 13, 2015

The Spectre Spectre

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