The Spectre Spectre
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Summary
In this episode of the specter bond chat, I chat with a man who happens to be a member of the illuminati and an expert on the Anglo-Jewish elite. We discuss the role of the jewish elite in the story of Dr. Ian Fleming and his theories about the origins of the idea of a wicked secret elite and how that plays out in the world of espionage and conspiracy theories.
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i just thought it would be fun to do a kind of specter bond chat and it can be real casual
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um i am kind of i am interested in like getting at what specter really is
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um because it seems to have a lot of interesting and contradictory meanings it seems to be a neo-fascist
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organization and a jewish organization at the same time um and yeah i was just gonna kind of i just
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thought we could talk about you know just this i this kind of like idea of a a wicked secret elite
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you know this um and how that plays out and we can just kind of see where this goes
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um what are your initial thoughts on that when it comes to the character of ian fleming he
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he is a an equal opportunity offender and so i think the character of aric goldfinger is
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specifically intended to be jewish oh yeah if you look at the character of dr no he's kind of a
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blended half chinese half germanic yeah villain uh if i remember i don't think blofeld is actually
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supposed to be jewish no he's actually specifically not jewish he he mentions somewhere that blofeld
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that there's a um note of blofeld's birth in a cathedral yes right in in thunderball but i think
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it's also hard not to get away from a certain jewish quality to specter like i was just looking at
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my copy of thunderball here but um he talks about the boulevard uh usman again that's a
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houseman uh but that's actually did you know that's actually a prediction of arl inspector
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really i'm joking oh lord all right you went all vigilant citizen on me
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yeah that's my main competition i guess i can't stand vigilant citizen but
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oh really that's interesting you think he steals your stuff or he's wrong i've actually caught them
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i've actually caught them ripping off stuff interesting and it's very watered down i guess
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for a mass audience which yeah um you know but yeah they've two or three times they've sort of
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directly ripped off without pretty big pretty big sections and i've emailed them and said uh you know
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i don't mind you doing this if you could just link me and they won't ever do it so i've taken a very
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negative attitude to whoever that is and it seems to be a uh a an arab sounding guy who
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is in the uk interesting because there's a there's a youtube channel that goes under that moniker i guess
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because people wondered for a long time who vigilant citizen x actually is but yeah uh i take it to be
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just some sort of goofy not that bright arab guy in the uk interesting because he kind of he kind of
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sounds like uh ali g if you listen to the videos i've never listened to those i didn't know that he
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his voice was even i happened upon it yeah you'll find there's a there's a channel called vigilant
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citizen and it's pretty it lines up pretty well with all the material on the website and you listen
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to this guy it sounds like it sounds like ali g it's like the illuminati i've got many clones out
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there in the world here for example is really that's kind of yeah it's like p is p diddy part
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of the illuminati it's like is this is this some arab british guy is like a rapper or something what is
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this guy anyway that's funny it is a weird situation but um but anyway so with with specter i mean i i don't
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um i mean i see it kind of as because you know ian fleming was running in a lot of elite circles i think
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he had a good sense for the way that human beings can be easily um given a boogeyman and
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why i don't believe that there are no boogeyman i think that the the general approach of british
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intelligence for my research was to utilize projection so a lot of what they would be doing
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they would project on to to other people um and you know the relationship of jews in england is
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pretty complex because you know post cromwell you have the jews coming back and they've always been
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quite a bit of i guess intermarriage i guess you could say amongst british
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anglo elite and the jewish banking elite and so forth so i don't know that it could easily be
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parceled out but my general assessment of ian fleming is not that he was particularly
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anti-semitic but rather that he he took up just a sort of pragmatic british imperial view
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is the way i'll look at it interesting and i and i and i do want to talk like bigger picture but i
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think this might be a good place to start um i remember watching thunderball a few years ago and
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this this hit me where um specter is introduced and there's this very famous scene where they're in
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this um you know ken adams set uh very famous long table stainless steel it's hyper modernist and a
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kind of scary scary way um you know maybe in a fascist way you could say as well or a communist
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way you could say as well and um and blofeld is there and there's a garage door effectively that's
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half lowered so you never see his face and you just have this booming voice that comes over uh it's a
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highly and then he of course you know electrocutes someone to death for for being uh a bit too corrupt or
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or being corrupt within his organization a very famous scene parodied many times uh one thing you
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forget is that the this underground layer where they are it's in a bank um and it's a uh it's on this
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famous you know street in paris and they the front for specter is the society for stateless persons
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um and that struck me when i was watching it that that it struck me again just to have these
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resonances with a jewish elite um and to maybe be a kind of crypto reference to jews um just in the
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sense i mean obviously jews are not stateless now they have their own state um but that was you know
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their consciousness you know amongst ashkenazi jews in europe and sephardic jews as well
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it it came about as being stateless um and then there's the the banking reference there to boot
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um and i just that kind of that little key opened up a lot for specter and and it did make me wonder i
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you know i think there's a there are there are a lot of fascist or nazi references with bond villains
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and uh you know in like the the book of uh moonraker uh the villain hugo drax is is literally a a neo-nazi
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or a or just a nazi yes unreconstructed nazi um who's you know going to seek revenge against britain
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and so on um but there so there in there there are other references as well in the films uh and in the
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books for this kind of you know hitlerian type of mad genius um but there there seems to be almost this
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other fear present with specter and and that is the a jewish elite um so why don't we let let me just
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let me just throw that out to you and then uh let's kind of like see where that goes i mean what
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talk maybe talk a little bit about because about your research because you've done a lot with
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fleming's own background in you know secret services and an intelligent wartime intelligence and so on
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um and then you've also done a lot in terms of thinking about uh you know thinking about elites
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thinking about their messaging to society through popular culture and so on so so what what kind of
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doors does that key unlock for you and in terms of all these things well if we think about the
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character of fleming himself and i did read some biographies of him before i when i was doing my
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grad work on his use of bond he of course lived prior to political correctness and he was you know
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it was a lot freer and able to in the sense of cultural commentary and and commenting on people
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groups it was a lot freer to be able to say what what he really thought and i remember researching his
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own personal library and he had he had quite a few interesting titles obviously i'm not trying to read
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too much into merely what books one possesses uh one if somebody saw my my library they might draw
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all kinds of crazy conclusions but uh he did have quite a few uh race studies he did have quite a few
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books on civilizations eugenics um and so forth so i think that he was on the up and up i suppose you
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could say when it came to the reality of different people groups and so i i think that you can clearly
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see with the character of or goldfinger that he is talking about a jewish person there he is talking
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about the jewish influence in banking and uh you know monetary schemes and so forth that's the whole
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point of that character it's interesting that you bring up the question of um specter in relationship
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to the stateless group i always took that just simply to mean that that specter was was purely
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international that you had this this elite sort of oligarchic level of society that was beyond
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concerns for nation-state or homeland or anything like that because they they were essentially moneyed
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oligarchs that uh you know a george soros type character but i hadn't thought about it from the
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perspective of the stateless in the sense of uh you know ashkenazic or something like that which i suppose
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as possible i think something has to be going on there i mean you could even say it's unconscious
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which i'm i would be fine with but there's something going on there and it's actually i just uh googled
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it really quick it's um f-i-r-c-o in the novels the international brotherhood for the assistance of
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stateless persons which you know again i i think what's interesting about it is that it flows both ways
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it can you know so it's like an ambivalent concept it almost sounds it almost sounds like a humanitarian
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ngo oh it definitely is which has other resonances with like you know soros groups and things like
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that but right soros is helping quote refugees right exactly yeah and so it's i i don't i it's so
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pregnant with like multiple meanings that i i can't imagine that there there isn't something going on
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well there have been accusations in bond scholarship and bondology is you know a whole field of study
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for those that might not be aware you know of fleming being something like closet nazi or closet
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anti-semitic or this or that or whatever uh i i don't tend to think so just because of the
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number one his operations in world war ii in regard to the germans and the many black ops and
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covert ops that he was he was involved in and uh i don't believe that that means he was necessarily
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committed to any ideology i think he tended to follow that english penchant for pragmatism you know
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that uh alexander dugan is always uh rightly criticizing uh so i tend to i tend to see him as
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pragmatic he comes from a banking family uh he went to eton he was recruited most likely i think in
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germany when he was at um a boarding school uh for british intelligence work and and then later you
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know went into naval psyops so i i see he worked for this man named sir godfrey who is uh a very high up
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uh person i mean i've always wondered about this because a lot of the ways that fleming's career
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has been depicted has been as oh he was a bit of a dilettante he he wished that he could have
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been james bond but he had to write novels to you know satisfy his his fantasy life which i'm sure
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there's a huge kernel of truth to that but uh but do you think there was in a way more going on
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in terms of his fleming's own espionage and his oh absolutely yeah and i think craig cobble's book
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on that shows that definitively because of the many many instances of um it's called ian fleming's
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secret war the many instances of the tie-ins between the stories and his own life now i don't think it
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was just ian fleming i think there were you know a host of contenders that were sort of an amalgamation
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for the creation of the character of bond and this would be you know all the way back to maybe sir
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walter raleigh or even maxwell knight and these different uh even perhaps crowley even perhaps
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uh dennis wheatley you know all of these people probably in some way function to create the collage
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right of the character of bond so uh i i generally tend to argue yes that the bond novels themselves
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had multiple functions i think they functioned as ian fleming's own fantasy world i think they
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functioned as a tool for him to utilize projection to always make uh russians and germans and so forth
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be the villains and you'll see this you know that dialogue come up quite often in the novels i think
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even in the first one in casino royale uh vesper land or someone says to bond like why are you why do
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you even care about this you know what i mean like why aren't you a pragmatist why aren't you getting
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yours you know what i mean and bond says something to the effect of uh well yes it is all kind of a
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manichean dialectic of east versus west of cowboys allies he says but you know what i i might as well
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just do what i want because i enjoy the pleasures of life and so so bond is presented more or less as
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just kind of this hedon hedonistic figure uh who enjoys the pleasures of life at least early on
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you might could argue that he he evolves as a character but early on he seems to be a kind of
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hedonistic nietzschean beyond good and evil killing machine more or less um so you know maybe in fleming
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had a period in his life where he felt that way maybe over time he he felt different because of course
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you know in the stories uh what is it by you only live twice the bond eventually gets married
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yeah uh so you know maybe there's a change of heart uh they tried i think roughly to reflect that
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in the daniel craig reboots uh where you have him kind of settling down with the uh leah sadu
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character i forget her name and specter but yeah madeline swan yes there you go swan um
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i'm rambling but yeah i think no ramble away this is all interesting i think it is i think it's a
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combination of factors and it is partly fleming's fantasy world and it's also propaganda at the same
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time yeah let's go into that i'll just um make a some quick observations about bond the the character
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um uh bond the character is not jack ryan you know from from um you know the hunt for red october and
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uh what is this i'm forgetting his name for the moment um uh the uh tom clancy tom clancy of course
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yeah he's you know and and obviously all of these figures are are in some way based on james bond but
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you know clancy's figures are these uh patriotic maybe even moralist moralizing
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uh jack ryan's catholic interestingly uh they're these patriotic moralizing good guys that are
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uh effectively totally morally virtuous and you know do it to protect the republic god damn right
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right um bond isn't really no he's not yeah bond is a very equivocal figure i mean at some level he's
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he's kind of a flat figure uh in the sense that he he doesn't always have like the depth of his
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villains um he he's he's kind of a in a very daniel craig type way he's kind of like a broken
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young man who yeah is exactly thrown out there into the world um and and i think but then there's
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another kind of level to him as well which is you know you can see this at the end of casino royale
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where he's like i want to get to the hand that is that holds the whip you know i i want to i want
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to delve deeper and and get to those like hidden forces behind everything um and so you know on on
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one level he is a you know a british patriot you know and i don't i don't think you should
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discount that totally at least um but on another level he's this you know like modern post-english
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person um and he's you know he he's not really even fighting the cold war in the way that jack
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ryan would you know he's he's fighting some secret war uh against all of these these these unknown
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forces that are are kind of like avatars of of different different things um so i that i think
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that's in a way why you know um james bond is this iconic figure it's that you know i mean you could
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argue that that john le carré's uh world of espionage is kind of more more human you know it's it's all
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about betrayals of the heart and ambivalence and you know winning and losing kind of at the same time
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you know and i i'll i'll hand him that he you know that that definitely he definitely achieves that
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kind of human poignancy and tragedy um but the thing about bond and why i'm i've been fascinated
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with him my whole life and i still am is that he kind of there's these this darkness and this
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this grasping towards sex and death and mysteries and monsters and and uh and and you know there's
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always this you know the the sense of there's something going on beyond the cold war it's it's it's
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not just the headlines like there's actually some monstrous half half chinese crypto fascist who
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lives in a volcano who's green it's there's there's something about it that that's grotesque
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that um that that it always seems to indicate that there's something else going on there
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well another angle to that could be that he bond the character bond is middle lower middle class
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yeah and you you continually get the impression in the novels that that he's more or less detached from
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the patriotism that he's supposed to feel he may operate exteriorly in a patriotic fashion and
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get the job done so to speak but you know he he seems to resent many times the character
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of him as handler uh you know he when he's asked why he serves queen and country
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the responses are generally just pragmatic uh why why not right i mean it's in my benefit
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hedonistically speaking to do so so why not um so i think that the because he
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the the queen queen and country this is a sort of stand-in mother figure for him yeah uh and i
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mean that's kind of i guess basic pop psychology analysis but i think there's something to that
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right because he's orphaned and because the state just sort of steps in to take that role
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uh he resents that he resents his own life and that's why he represents
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many bondologist scholars you'll read they'll they'll talk about him as the ubermensch character
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he is the beyond good and evil character because he's not he's really not committed to these
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ideologies he doesn't he doesn't really believe that queen represents him or that she is any kind of
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uh matriarchal figure to him uh but but he is in that sense self-interested however
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is fleming presenting uh something dark darker and deeper going on in the sense of a shadow government
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and i would say yes i would say absolutely uh you could one could i suppose debate to what degree
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and fleming would be a part of that i mean i think that he like most of us had good and bad aspects to
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his being so i don't think that he was directly intentionally part of an international cabal to
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to wreck the globe and you know create some sort of global government but i do think that he is
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talking about the reality of that kind of a plan that you do have internationalists conspiring to
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to erect this uh monstrosity and that's really what this octopus specter represents
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is a monstrosity do you think he had a taste of that during his war service
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yes but that might depend on to what degree one what perspective a person takes on on world war ii
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um i mean if we just follow the mainline story you know he then he was a good guy because he was
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fighting nazis well i mean i i believe that history is a lot more complex i know you you don't take that
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simplistic of a view of good guy bad guy uh i tend to agree with the presentation of carol quigley not
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because i believe his philosophy but because he is writing from the perspective of the council on
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foreign relations that that the western banking elite uh saw a lot of interest in essentially stirring
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up two world wars uh the first of which would weaken well world wars one and two had the effect of
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weakening russia and germany which are the he's the historic enemies of the british empire so
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even though america later you know comes to take on the role of sort of the progenitor the continuation
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of the atlanticist democracy tradition of the west uh you know it's it's it precisely the characters
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of the irregulars it's it's precisely william stevenson is precisely bill donovan and and ian fleming who are
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the ones working in the background to really ensure that the u.s will come into the war on the side of
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the allies and i don't think that was accidental because this is that was at the behest of british
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intelligence and there's been a lot of books that actually you know treat of that subject so i see it as
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um kind of a long-term plan to to weaken and destroy uh russia and germany at for the interests of the
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west and to what degree fleming saw that i suppose could be debated but i don't know the cutout villains
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i think the biggest takeaway is that you have all these villains that are cutouts these you know
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almost cartoonish people and you think oh well it's fiction but then when when i look at the supposed
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villains that i'm supposed to take as villains in the real world quote unquote they seem to me to be
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just as cartoonish and hollywoodish uh you know when i look at a character like bin laden
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and i look at his background and his associations with the cia to me bin laden is just as cartoonish as
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a blofeld so i i wonder you know was was fleming telling us something like that interesting what are
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go through that i mean what what do you think a lot of the villains were stand-ins or or composites
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for for contemporaneous uh world yeah so a lot of the the bond scholars i think uh mcintyre
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uh has a couple books where he'll talk about uh le chifre uh in casino royale is in some sense a
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composite of crowley and we know we know that dennis wheatley who was also uh yeah mi5 uh
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handler we know that he had direct meetings with crowley and of course wheatley was doing that for
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research in regard to his uh esoteric sort of spy novels with uh you know the duke de richelow
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character played by christopher lee so he was interested in the occult world of things and
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and many have made the argument that perhaps uh you it looks like crowley had some degree of
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association with mi5 as perhaps an asset or provocateur there there's evidence to suggest
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that uh richard spence has a book on that uh and we know that uh the other richard spence
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correct right not me uh because wheatley had met with crowley and they talked about some of these
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operations they might use him for because he was viewed as you know this powerful
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sort of sorcerer talisman by a lot of people the idea was well how you know could we capitalize on that
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and use that in uh some sort of operation and there's speculation you know as to whether he might
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have been involved in the rudolph hess flight but i don't know that anybody's actually proven that
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it's a lot of speculation so um a lot of bondologists will talk about lachif being uh partly inspired by
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crowley uh as well as blowfeld actually there's some of the bondologists will talk about uh maybe
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fleming saw that as a blowfeld character too because yeah you know if somebody known as the most
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wickedest you know the wickedest man on earth or whatever that's there's a lot of
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uh there's a lot of drama to be had there by by crafting your characters uh you know and if you
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look at say the donald the donald passion's version yeah i had to throw in my donald pleasance there
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uh if you look at the donald he does kind of look like crowley he has this very oh yeah this
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baldish look and but i don't know if that's maybe just speculating there but um i have
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i've already forgotten what the question was but
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i did too i think i asked whether um uh whether fleming had a taste of
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of a kind of secret elite during the war oh yes i think so yeah but no no no it's it's fine i i like
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flowing into two other things like that yeah it's also interesting the um in casino royale
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though it's a tad oblique fleming makes it clear that the chief is jewish as well uh there's this
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dossier that's that's read um and so i and i and he's also this like you don't know where he comes
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from this is another yeah trope for bond villains which i think also kind of it resonates with a kind
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of jewishness to to the villains is that oh where are they where are they coming from who are they
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really there there's one line in goldfinger um where uh i i think it's when uh you know james bond and
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um and uh felix lighter are in miami it's that famous scene where uh he goes uh dink say hello to
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felix dink say goodbye to felix he's like uh be on be on your way man talk he slaps her in the butt
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yeah but it's a very funny um kind of madman era you know uh uh misogyny or chauvinism but anyway
00:30:22.560
um yeah there's uh oh yeah there's a line in goldfinger right after that where uh felix where james
00:30:31.360
one asked felix lighter oh who is this or a goldfinger and uh lighter says oh he's british
00:30:36.260
but he doesn't sound like it and a lot of these villains will have these strange accents maybe like
00:30:41.940
a mixed accent a mixed heritage or that they you don't know where they are they've suffered amnesia
00:30:47.600
you that that's actually hugo drax who's the nazi and and um uh and the chief are both like that and
00:30:56.200
and i think that also seems to kind of resonate with a certain jewish quality to these villains
00:31:02.480
where um you know you don't it's a kind of like from the perspective of an englishman it's a it's a
00:31:09.060
who is this person exactly he has an english last name but what does that mean there's something about
00:31:14.840
him that's not right um and well certainly yeah and and amongst the british upper class you kind of have
00:31:23.860
this uh i mean you have you know the strains of very intense racial purity that's obviously been there
00:31:33.880
for a long time uh in the british upper class and you also have the interbreeding or intermixing with
00:31:43.760
quote-unquote jews whatever exactly that means whether it be ashkenazic or what so you know and we see that
00:31:51.040
with you know the the uh the king uh edward um what's his wife that i always forget her name
00:32:00.820
to me he married the uh american woman oh i know who that is yes wallace simpson yes wallace simpson yes
00:32:10.320
yeah so uh you know that's kind of a mysterious topic that i'm i'm still kind of on my own researching
00:32:18.940
like what exactly is going on in the background with interesting jewish uh relationships with
00:32:37.260
bond i think well excuse me the character fleming what i think like i said fleming is
00:32:45.360
pre-pc so he's a lot he's able to say a lot more and make a lot more
00:32:51.860
jokes and actually there's a lot of humor in this you know more or less with sort of the
00:32:57.780
stereotypical uh presentations i mean it's it's it would it would drive a social justice where you're
00:33:04.480
crazy today but it's not anything it's i mean it's it's something you might read in mark twain i mean
00:33:09.940
it's not that ridiculous or uh you know rudyard kipling or something where you have these
00:33:14.400
these uh quote racial statements or something i mean fleming has fleming has no problem making
00:33:20.080
these racial statements and making jokes yeah he's also fascinated by mixed the mixing of races and i
00:33:28.000
and that's the bad guy the bad guy is almost always some sort of mulatto or
00:33:32.520
uh he also has a some bizarre perversion you know that he's into exactly yeah there's something
00:33:39.720
tragic or or or demented about mixing races that when he did in in like dr no where he describes the
00:33:46.800
the she grows who were you know half chinese and chinese negro right chinese negro it's kind of like
00:33:53.020
they have the intelligence of the chinese but then you know the brutality of the negro kind of all mixed
00:33:59.040
together yeah i mean again it would send a blue-haired social justice warrior running up and you know
00:34:04.820
what's funny you can even watch it yeah if you if you watch live or let die which is 70s yeah uh it still
00:34:14.840
has the racial stuff in it yeah and my guess is that they tried to kind of mitigate it because it might
00:34:22.140
have been a little even for the 70s a little too unpolitically correct and so there's the like the
00:34:28.160
black cab driver will say where are you going cue ball yeah i mean he'll kind of throw in these white
00:34:33.920
jokes and then uh but but what's what's funny is that bond will kind of make those racial jokes back
00:34:40.520
and you have a lot of of racial parodies even in the film versions of liver let die yes which is it's
00:34:48.820
one of those films that's trying to not be racist but it's all it's generally viewed as the most racist
00:34:55.040
bond film which is also kind of funny not one of my favorite films by the way maybe one of my least
00:35:00.980
favorites um did did you know when he when he runs on the heads of the alligators that's actually
00:35:06.500
based on a real operation of ian fleming's are you serious oh well i don't know what to believe
00:35:14.480
i could believe it uh that is what i was so stupid that scene is so ridiculous oh yeah you know
00:35:20.220
we forget also in the age of cgi that was done for real i mean the guy did that i mean the granted
00:35:27.100
the crocodiles were alligators which like i always skip mixes up but i mean they're tied down or
00:35:32.480
something but there's actually on youtube they they have like outtakes of him running across the
00:35:38.480
alligators and so he's like slipping and falling and like about to be eaten it's just unbelievable it
00:35:45.280
wasn't roger moore by the way it was obviously a stuntman but but nevertheless did mr big was mr big's
00:35:51.780
head actually inflated i'm not sure they subjected uh did they did they pop a stuntman's head yeah
00:36:01.820
they had to go through a half a dozen stuntmen to get that scene right yeah they're like take three
00:36:07.260
uh but uh yeah yeah no no there's clearly like uh fleming clearly has a a racial consciousness and
00:36:19.920
he's he's fascinated by it he does and his library reflects that too i should that's what i was trying
00:36:25.720
to get at in the beginning yeah so what is tell me a little about a scholarship and you say you don't
00:36:31.580
quite buy it but this scholarship that he's a crypto nazi i don't think i've ever heard that before
00:36:43.720
maybe i should qualify that because the where you're probably going to find that kind of a treatment
00:36:52.880
uh so i have a shelf on secondary bond studies and a lot of these i mean if you've been in academia
00:37:00.580
you know that when you're doing thesis type research you will be forced to get all these
00:37:07.900
books and these secondary studies that will be written by these feminists and so forth right
00:37:12.560
so there's all these there's like a whole book even on like feminist readings of bond or something
00:37:18.420
like this well i don't doubt that yeah and so you know their assessment of a lot of this is that oh
00:37:26.000
this is just the worst i mean this is the total you know patriarchal tester testosterone
00:37:33.840
capitalists you know everything that they see as just the worst thing in history is embodied in bond
00:37:41.760
and so that's that's it's gonna that was gonna be reflected in their analyses which i think is pretty
00:37:46.820
ridiculous because i mean these people have like no no sense of time you know like well that what was
00:37:55.420
appropriate for a certain time or how people you know these are the people who would try to ban mark
00:38:00.260
twain or something you know exactly no that is lunacy i would say that clearly fleming's no democrat just
00:38:06.820
just in the just in the sense that what's good and right in his world are basically old white guys
00:38:17.760
sending high energy young white guys out to engage in secret missions in which law is no obstacle you know
00:38:29.000
they have a license to kill in foreign lands let's also keep that in mind it's a kind of so i think there
00:38:35.800
is a i and and many other people have mentioned this i mean there's clearly like a neo-imperialist
00:38:41.220
quality to james bond where many many of the scholarly assessments we'll talk about i mean that will be
00:38:49.640
pretty common in the secondary scholarship is the imperial and in fact what i kind of argued when i was
00:38:56.020
doing my paper on it was that he is really the embodiment of the anglo-american establishment
00:39:02.680
for good or for ill so absolutely you're spot on let's go back to specter and what why don't i let
00:39:11.860
you talk a little bit here because you've done like much much more reading than i have and and and and
00:39:21.380
much more research into you know elite societies and and how the the existence of these you know hidden
00:39:30.020
elites which i would say is not a cons it's not a conspiracy theory every society has people who
00:39:36.500
are far more powerful than you know the politicians i mean give me a break it's not like harry reed and
00:39:42.520
nancy pelosi are actually determining the fate of the world you know there there are there are actors
00:39:48.120
that are much many magnitudes more powerful than those people um but uh let's just talk about
00:39:56.000
specter and maybe maybe a good jumping in point would be its reappearance um in this past film
00:40:04.640
uh called specter um i i think i i i think the bond film was doing a couple of things because they they
00:40:14.340
had to you know there's this long history of of you know uh mcclory and you know fleming and thunderball
00:40:22.260
it's a actually a really cool history about these legal battles and you know but effectively eon
00:40:29.300
productions had not owned the rights to blofeld or specter for many decades and in 2014 i believe
00:40:37.680
they bought them back and it or maybe it's 2013 it doesn't matter and um it was all set up for this
00:40:46.100
you know big reveal that we're we're both like going back to the past nostalgically we're
00:40:52.160
going back to the connery era of blofeld and specter um i i think also clearly that film was
00:40:58.060
trying to set up like a marvel cinematic universe type thing where uh you know all the films are now
00:41:04.640
related and you know inter you know interconnected and uh there's going to be this big villain out
00:41:11.020
there that's going to last for the next half a dozen films there's i i think they were definitely
00:41:15.140
going for that because they're seeing you know the marvel movies is you know this is you know they're
00:41:20.060
making so much money um but uh but i i but i i think on another level that whole like what specter
00:41:29.120
was was fairly confused in that film and i think that led the film to be very disappointing in my
00:41:35.920
mind um because when you i liked the look of it i this this idea of this you know ultra elite both
00:41:43.380
fashionable and aristocratic they're meeting in rome you know the uh you know a very you know
00:41:50.980
elite or conspiratorial city you could say um in the seat of power whether it's the catholic church
00:41:57.520
the roman empire so and there are all these great resonances the look of it was very good but i felt
00:42:02.520
like they um that what specter was was a bit confused in that film where you know that you you overheard
00:42:10.760
their meetings and they were you know engaging in sex trafficking or exactly drugs which you know
00:42:18.020
obviously that is terrible uh both terrible and profitable but i don't know it wasn't exactly
00:42:25.260
let's change the course of history type stuff you know kind of sounded like petty crime writ large
00:42:32.140
maybe you disagree with me here maybe it's a pizza gaty i don't know uh but then um on the and then
00:42:40.020
the the the you know the the the the plot takes you to a point where what specter is really about is
00:42:48.140
capturing all this information and so it becomes a kind of post edward snowden uh you know more
00:42:56.460
morality play about privacy and and so on um and i found that a little disappointing to be honest
00:43:04.340
because it it wasn't i don't know you know the whole point of it all was never put forward it was
00:43:10.180
like at one point it was almost like a laziness in the script or something at one point um blofeld says
00:43:17.260
you know information is all you know and it's it's like a you know middle school social science teacher
00:43:24.120
or something like the the worst guy out there is a tech geek yeah it's exactly it just wasn't you don't
00:43:32.180
you don't actually know what he was ultimately doing with it and it so i it wasn't you know even
00:43:39.700
with even with more comic book comic bookie and and you could even say silly villains like from the
00:43:45.560
more era uh and i'm thinking of of hugo drax um who was you know based on fleming's hugo drax in the
00:43:52.700
books but but in moonwrecker the film you know they they basically dialed the knob to 11 and this guy
00:43:58.820
wants to depopulate the entire planet outside of the animals and create a eugenic master races and
00:44:06.600
in space and then repopulate i mean it's totally ridiculous but i i almost admire it um then i'm
00:44:13.980
i'm forgetting what was the name it was a german name for the spy who loved me villain uh i'm forgetting
00:44:20.340
what his name is but he was also a kind of blofeld character but he wanted to create a new civilization
00:44:24.920
underwater you get that also in the film incarnation of uh zoran industries with uh christopher
00:44:31.580
christopher walken yes uh you know playing playing the the eugenic once again germanic yes yeah you know
00:44:40.020
guy who wants to basically take over silicon valley and then use earthquake weapons to destroy the west
00:44:47.780
coast but but yeah you're right that that is a recurring theme there where they dial it up to 11
00:44:54.100
and and you and you get the statement you know from the villain's mouth what he's doing but i love it
00:44:59.480
like i love it you know if that that i think that you know you can make fun of it if you want but
00:45:04.560
i don't care i think that's what makes these films great and you know and i think in a way we've lost
00:45:11.520
that in the 21st century where we haven't had any like great villain i mean like the craig era villains
00:45:17.620
are i mean casino royale what was that bribery there there was there was some guy funding some
00:45:23.600
like petty terrorist in africa i mean no world shaking stuff uh one guy who wanted to raise the
00:45:31.040
utility cost for third world you know people i mean yeah sucks to be them but it's not really that
00:45:38.940
earth shattering to be honest and then uh skyfall was like raul silva's revenge against m it was just
00:45:45.700
totally personal it had like no consequences um and then uh specter like they don't even know what
00:45:52.820
the villain's doing i think i think there's this kind of point where we almost i don't know can't
00:45:58.860
imagine a villain anymore or something i don't i don't know uh but well maybe maybe that's because
00:46:05.260
good guy bad guy evokes the notion of like objective uh you know morals or something and
00:46:13.180
you know the the modern post-modern establishment cannot allow there to be anything objectively true
00:46:20.360
or false i mean you know everybody's sort of brainwashed in the in the west into
00:46:24.740
different forms of relativism i'm just spitballing here that could be it but no i totally agree that
00:46:31.440
specter was a flawed film um the the you know the reboots all have their flaws i do think and i
00:46:39.600
argue in my book that the the aspects of the reboots actually have windows into real conspiracies and i
00:46:48.480
don't think that should be too hard to believe given the fact that you know most espionage writers all
00:46:54.940
the way back to conrad or graham green you know they're writing about oftentimes real events that
00:47:01.760
they saw right that they yeah you know would put into fiction and you know kim kim philby something
00:47:07.200
like this uh and so i don't think it's far-fetched that modern screenwriters and i didn't go to the
00:47:13.860
trouble to you know research every single screenwriter of all the new ones and see what their instagram
00:47:19.040
connections were or anything like this but uh i mean you you can take for quantum of solace for
00:47:26.040
example which i think is one of the weaker reboots what is interesting about quantum of solace is that
00:47:32.940
it it shows in my view the basic pattern of a kind of al gore type scam where where they will
00:47:41.480
utilize a sort of petty puppet dictator that they put in to sign say all the resources
00:47:48.980
of a people group over to this shadowy private entity that's a kind of shell or a front for what
00:47:55.060
we ultimately find out is specter but but in that installment i don't think it's accidental that
00:48:00.780
his name is mr green so you know under these sort of environmental uh you know overly obsessive
00:48:08.360
environmental compulsions he that's the front right the green movement uh you have this you know
00:48:15.060
basically transferal of uh people's you know resources and whatnot over to a private entity
00:48:21.420
and you do see a lot of multinationals attempting to do that attempting to you know buy some good
00:48:28.660
these crazy almost blowfeldian plots of like when i'm going to control all water you know what i mean
00:48:34.140
yeah yeah yeah i'm i'm or all carbon production on you know yeah right you know on the earth kind of
00:48:41.740
will be traded in one market that will be produced by goldman sachs yeah i mean there there is a
00:48:46.540
gargantuan conspiratorial aspect to it all um yeah no i i definitely noticed mr green as well
00:48:54.320
uh which is also a jewish name and a jewish fairly jewish looking actor which is interesting you can take
00:49:00.300
that for what it's worth um yeah you know what are what are some other aspects like how how does the
00:49:07.580
the the the um the elite like the secret elite type you know that quality of specter how does that
00:49:16.760
rhyme with with other you know elites in in history i think there's plenty of examples
00:49:26.220
even in the mainstream i think that could that would could fit that bill um more obvious ones you know
00:49:33.360
things like bilderberg group or something like this or to whatever degree the uh iron mountain
00:49:39.900
meeting was real i think that's could be debated whether it was real or fake or fake but actually
00:49:47.220
real what was that uh well this is i think it's out of the 60s if i recall and it's one of these kind
00:49:54.320
of classic documents of conspiriana does i call it the conspiracy realm where you have
00:50:01.320
uh this sort of um pentagon strategists and reincorporation type individuals you know meeting
00:50:08.060
behind closed doors at uh the iron mountain complex the sort of underground base type thing
00:50:14.180
i mean that that's like straight out of blofeld or something but you and what's interesting about the
00:50:19.900
doc the the report from iron mountain is that for a long time it was believed to be uh you know
00:50:27.140
essentially a conspiracy myth is something along the lines of like the protocols of zion or something
00:50:33.260
but what's interesting about the report from iron mountain is that a lot of what's talked about
00:50:37.680
in it if i it's been some years since i read it probably eight or nine years but it does talk about
00:50:43.040
you know large-scale social engineering it does talk about um a lot of the changes that we've seen in
00:50:50.600
the west so you know that i understand that that doesn't necessarily prove the document was real but it
00:50:56.500
could at least suggest that it might have been um other potential contenders for this you know you
00:51:04.100
have any number of secret societies that might have wealthy influential members um i think that's
00:51:12.220
essentially what kubrick was trying to convey with eyes wide shut is that you really do have these kinds
00:51:18.300
of uh cabals that you they have peculiar interests like sexual magic and yeah high-level masonry or
00:51:27.100
something like this well stop saying all this fake news that's uh right i love how this stuff where
00:51:34.240
like there's i don't know what was going on with pizzagate i mean and the pizza stuff and all of that
00:51:39.000
podesta things but to describe this as fake news which you know is being done by the mainstream
00:51:46.240
left right it's just ridiculous like something is going on well they haven't come out and said that
00:51:53.200
uh that the podesta emails are fake and if the all of these emails which back up all manner of
00:52:00.100
corruption including you know large-scale media collusion 60 plus talking heads and pundits
00:52:07.460
concluding with the dnc and and pay for play and you know hillary organizing funds being transferred with
00:52:15.800
uh saudi arabia and and you know hinting at basically running isis and all these sort of
00:52:21.440
things that the independent media has been talking about for a long time you know you have here a lot
00:52:26.440
of documentation then of course the spirit cooking and the the uh the bizarre terminology of pizzagate
00:52:33.940
you know the hot dogs and all this stuff whether it's code whether it's code for drugs or gay sex or
00:52:40.480
or what it's not exactly certain but you know to to just paste it all as as fake is is quite obviously
00:52:49.640
absurd and i think they're just really relying on nobody having you know whoever would believe that
00:52:57.780
has basically no familiarity with it or the topic because that is just on its face absurd but that
00:53:04.980
does tend to be the kind of the general approach of the establishment is to just um you know deny at
00:53:11.960
all costs of course even if it's not even necessary even if it makes you look absurd it's like they
00:53:18.220
still double down and continue you know with with their narrative but i mean there's a lot of other
00:53:23.560
contenders that could apply as well i mean you've got oh the dutro affair uh with marco dutro in belgium
00:53:33.660
and the belgian elite political class essentially trafficking and uh women and and uh this reportedly
00:53:42.160
involving ritual aspects um you've got savile in the the uk pedophiles and the whispers and and reports
00:53:54.200
of savile being interested in you know dark aspects of the occult and so forth so i mean i think there's a
00:53:59.860
lot of potential contenders that could apply in an eyes wide shut style scenario or a um
00:54:06.980
or a specter style scenario because i because they could potentially all be kind of blended together
00:54:12.280
because really it's just black markets and like you were saying with the film specter
00:54:16.360
what you see in their secret meeting in rome is basically a business meeting about running all the
00:54:24.360
black markets more or less uh and then you find there's actually a deeper agenda about
00:54:29.380
the real black market basically being this kind of private nsa setup that uh you know blofeld has in
00:54:39.960
do you think we're i i would say maybe i'm naive that the this information gathering is hyper nationalized but
00:54:54.280
do you do you think there's an indication you know in in the sense that the united states does not want
00:54:59.200
to give up its goods um but do you do you think there is an internationalization to um uh to to
00:55:08.420
you know the the snowden like um you know yes data gathering where do you think that is that is centered
00:55:16.160
well in my opinion uh and and i'm not saying this based on no research but obviously i can't prove this
00:55:22.340
but i i would posit that the the real nsa is is not necessarily uh a government building you know
00:55:32.480
in virginia or massachusetts or wherever the nsa is located the real nsa would be uh much more
00:55:41.860
appropriately at&t right i mean these mega conglomerates and i say that because
00:55:48.760
at&t is i think i mean i i worked in sales for at&t for a year a while back so i have a little bit of
00:55:57.980
knowledge of the company and if i recall they're the largest global provider of internet if i recall
00:56:03.760
so uh that would be a much better contender uh for the actual arms of this octopus so to speak
00:56:13.600
and i i tend to think that a lot at the highest levels a lot of these sort of big tech giant things
00:56:18.920
uh i mean i don't want to be overly simplistic and paint it all as a giant conspiracy because i don't
00:56:23.880
think that reality is that is that easy to classify i understand there's competing power structures and so
00:56:32.200
forth sure uh but but i do think that you have you know it's not accidental that it's it's one company
00:56:40.680
that you know is a kind of cia front in qtel that puts forth the startup money for so many of these
00:56:48.560
now huge tech companies like facebook like google and so i i wonder at times if you know silicon valley
00:56:56.340
isn't just kind of a a frontispiece in a way for the military industrial complex and we know that that
00:57:02.400
you know there is backdoor technology that um that the nsa and it's you know whatever it really is
00:57:09.740
at&t or whatever bell labs or whatever you know they do have backdoor technology into
00:57:15.020
i mean this has come out even in trials with the promise technology and so forth so
00:57:20.520
so i would say yeah it's international and it's it's not just a government building because i you know
00:57:25.720
if they shut down that government building i mean let's say for the sake of argument that
00:57:29.140
these snowden leaks were such that they caused such a furor that uh for whatever reason the government
00:57:37.720
chose to shut down some building somewhere i mean at&t still exists so you know when i was working
00:57:44.780
when i was working there i went stood over these giant servers uh because they were underground and
00:57:52.320
this sounds like this sounds like a blowfeld type thing but i'm not joking like there's a giant data
00:57:57.040
storage facility uh you know it's right out of the blowfelds type thing uh not far from nashville
00:58:03.120
or it's actually outside of nashville and it houses all the internet traffic for
00:58:07.320
the entire tri-state region so uh you know if if that had all been shut down in terms of the nsa
00:58:16.700
they're not shutting at&t down i can tell you that so uh so i would say yes there is a real
00:58:24.720
match to what blowfeld's operation seems to be in that movie fascinating
00:58:33.240
well do you want to put a bookmark in it or is there some uh do you think there's a uh
00:58:41.420
some thread you'd like to pick up i would add that that uh if you're curious and you're listening to
00:58:48.640
this if you want to get the book the best place is to get it directly from me
00:58:52.220
that i would recommend the book by the way i i've read about half to three-fourths of it this
00:58:58.460
as i was flying to and fro texas and i i quite enjoyed the chapters thank you i appreciate that
00:59:04.980
yeah it's it's not it's it's some of it's goofy and light-hearted and satirical uh you know i deal
00:59:12.180
with kubrick for about the first 80 pages um the next chunk is spielberg and the alien mythos and
00:59:19.580
yeah i don't i don't believe in aliens but i'm interested in how spielberg wants us to believe
00:59:24.680
in aliens and why that might be uh and then the third chunk of the book is 70s and 80s dystopia
00:59:31.620
fantasy stuff that we all kind of grew up with and then that last section is uh hitchcock 007 and
00:59:39.620
um a couple chapters on david lynch and then the influence of uh cia and the pentagon and hollywood
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uh so that's what the book is about and that way i would say just get it from me you can message me on
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my on the website there's a tab and then you know through the socials of facebook and twitter i can be
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accessed yes definitely it's remarkable how our tastes align we we like so much of so many of the same
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things um you know the kubrick and bond and even spielberg and and stuff like that it's it's
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remarkable well i wanted to again i know i never would have thought that just throwing up on a blog
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you know just kind of these these and i'm not kidding like it was just kind of on the side
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yeah and for for fun i was like hey why don't i just try writing you know a movie analysis that talks
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about you know actual conspiracies i had a i don't want to bore you but i had a a film class
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that uh when i was in college that that was basically it was out it was oliver stone movies
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and we were looking at comparing history and we're supposedly what we think of the history and you
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know the the way that oliver stone presents the yeah the story be it nixon be it gfk or whatever
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el salvador and i thought you know that's actually you could do a whole book just on that just on
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you know kind of reality and the threshold between reality and fiction and and what better avenue than
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fleming and bond so just started throwing up these analyses and after you know about a hundred of
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them a publisher comes along and says hey you want to put that together in a book i said yeah
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so here we are there's a a fun book i think that uh it's educational at the same time it's kind of a
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a light-hearted textbook i guess you could say yeah absolutely i i really enjoyed the tour and
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it actually got my my wheels turning because i think there are actually some other levels that
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you you didn't go into and but kind of reading your book kind of got my wheels turning and
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got me thinking about these things so yeah it's definitely a fun read
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yeah thank you uh that would be the main thing and um
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uh i do offer lectures and interviews uh jay's analysis so if you want to support what i do you can
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do the paypal subscription as well it's a 4.95 a month or 60 a year and um i just finished i think
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eight eight lectures all the way through the entirety of uh tragedy and hope and then prior to that
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i did the entirety of plato's republic so i kind of try to balance you know kind of the classics of
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western civilization and going through them with you know modern books and treatments and uh
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that's more or less how i make a living now so that's awesome i i love it yeah don't send your
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kids to universities just amen to that just pay pay people in the alternative media because i mean
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you're gonna if you send your kid to university you're gonna get a gray-haired ponytail frankfort
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school leftover fossil telling them that they need to cut off their genitalia i mean this is supposed
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to be what an education and western civilization is about or something that that is more or less
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my experience and i went to a lot of schooling not all of it's bad of course but you have to kind of
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like pick and choose you know you have to you have to have a map before you navigate something and
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you can navigate universities and get a very good education but you have to do that proactively if
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if you are passive and you let them be proactive then yes yeah and not a pizza related map