RadixJournal - The Summit of Richards (Audio)

00:00:00.000 back together after all these years. Yeah. I guess I could say I never would have imagined

00:00:06.080 that Richard Anania would be a famous public intellectual, but I could imagine that quite

00:00:12.600 easily, actually. Well, I mean, I got lucky that all that other stuff took a while to come out

00:00:20.540 because if that came out before, I would have had no chance. But yeah, it's wild. I mean,

00:00:27.380 we were sort of in the same place. I mean, 15 years ago, 10, 15 years ago, and we were into the

00:00:33.880 same ideas, right? It was like, oh, I think we were to Ron Paul. We came out of that era. It was

00:00:39.380 George W. Bush. We were about being anti-war and we were about race science and all this other stuff.

00:00:47.340 And it's interesting because I think we've had not the same trajectory. We're not at the same place,

00:00:52.400 but there are parallels. People always say that on my replies. They almost give you credit or blame

00:01:01.500 for why I'm so gay, in fact. Which is usually how it's articulated. I mean, we invented a new kind 0.57

00:01:10.340 of guy because there's us. I think Anatoly Carlin is probably in this club. Jeff Gies. Yeah.

00:01:18.400 People who just see, they see what this MAGA thing has become, right? We're not all in the same place.

00:01:24.380 We're not all the exact same politics, but I think our understanding of the right and where MAGA has

00:01:29.360 gone is where we sort of converge. Yes. And at the end of the day, you and I are part of the right

00:01:37.420 on some fundamental level. And so we sort of hate MAGA more in a way. I don't spend my time

00:01:46.460 doing the libs of TikTok thing about, you know, I cannot believe some blue-haired leftist

00:01:51.440 in California said this. That's just boring. Like, I get it. You know, I expect them to act

00:01:57.560 like that. But I think it, the going after the right, I think is actually more authentic

00:02:05.180 and serious. It's very easy to sort of excuse people who are more or less on your side or

00:02:11.800 wavelength or whatever and not critically examine them.

00:02:16.460 Yeah, I think that's right. And I was just, I mean, it sort of became like stupider and 0.99

00:02:21.180 stupider. Like, I don't know, like 2015, 2016, like 2017, you could overlook the right stupidity. 1.00

00:02:26.480 You can make these equivalencies. Oh, the left does some things, the right does these dumb 1.00

00:02:30.580 things. It was really, I think, you know, Trump, the way he acted during COVID. And then 0.98

00:02:35.980 the election stuff. Because like, look, if they were an honest movement and said, we're going to

00:02:42.060 have a coup, like you have a coup philosopher, you have Curtis Yarbrough, he's right there.

00:02:46.160 Yeah, it would be pretty badass.

00:02:49.160 Right, you could respect that. These people genuinely think that like 2020 is a story of

00:02:55.320 like the deep state setting them up and like, you know, and Trump like won. And like, he's just this

00:03:00.620 moral and, you know, like these assassination attempts, right? There's like, you know, words

00:03:06.640 have meaning. You can't say this stuff. I don't think your candidate is Donald Trump. Like, how do you

00:03:13.140 even like, how do you even think like this? Like, you have no self-awareness at all. And it just there

00:03:18.400 was a just a brain drain from the right. It just consists. It's just like constantly became stupider.

00:03:23.760 Well, let's, let's rewind and go back to where we were when we first, we didn't even meet in person 0.99

00:03:30.860 as sort of the funny thing. We just had a bit of a, you know, E partnership of sorts back in 2010.

00:03:40.060 Well, we met in, we met at the Republican National Convention. Was that wasn't that the first time

00:03:45.260 we met? No, no, we met at the Menken Club way back in 2009, 2009.

00:03:49.700 The Menken Club is part of the story as well. Yeah, yeah.

00:03:52.840 So let's go back there, because I think a lot of people, many of whom are in the audience tonight,

00:03:59.280 but also a lot of people who will consume this later. I mean, how don't know the whole story? I mean,

00:04:06.000 how, what would you say about the right? Because I'll, I'll just throw in my two cents first,

00:04:11.240 and then I'll, I'll let you roll on it. So when I, I was at Duke University getting a PhD and I

00:04:18.540 dropped out of my PhD program. I think we also share that in common. We have weird, there's weird

00:04:22.920 parallels. Our first name, what else is it? Sorry, but I did finish my PhD. Oh, okay. So you're not a

00:04:28.820 dropout like me. Okay. But I guess you, you did go into the media and not pursue a academic career.

00:04:36.200 So we do have that in common, but I was, I dropped out and the right for me was stupid in a, 0.98

00:04:44.140 in a very different way. And I saw it, it wasn't IQ wise stupid. It, it was delusional, 1.00

00:04:53.840 delusionally intelligent is, is one way you could describe a neoconservative ideology. If you,

00:04:59.940 if you want to take their ideologies seriously and not just see it as a sort of, uh, you know,

00:05:04.780 fig leaf over pro Israel policies or pro Likud policies or something like that. But it was,

00:05:10.380 and I would see this among my own family of, you know, we've got to spread freedom and this is so

00:05:14.900 great. We went into Afghanistan and, uh, George Bush's in, um, second inaugural address was just an

00:05:22.040 uncorked expression of freedom ism. You know, we, we are got every, every child born on this planet

00:05:32.560 is questing to be a part of a democracy and we are a force of God bringing it to them. I mean,

00:05:38.440 that was more or less what he was saying in that, uh, you know, when you compare it to a Trump speech,

00:05:44.500 I, I almost sort of admire the oomph that, that George motion and David from, or whoever wrote

00:05:51.640 that, uh, it probably wasn't from at that time, but anyway, whatever they were bringing to it, but

00:05:56.700 it was a, there was a sort of alt right and it did unify around Ron Paul. And if it had a unifying

00:06:06.860 theme, that is one thing that we all agree on. It was being anti W anti neoconservatives,

00:06:13.780 anti anti Iraq war, uh, et cetera. And within that big tent, there was a lot there. So there

00:06:20.120 was a libertarian quality to it and not, not just libertarian, a kind of anarcho cap anarchist

00:06:26.560 quality. And I think you're still much more on the libertarian wavelength than I am, but that was

00:06:31.960 sort of part of where you were. And, um, and it was sort of like, well, let's get some HBD in here.

00:06:37.960 Let's get some white nationalists, you know, kind of under this circus tent of sorts.

00:06:43.780 Um, and, um, that's what it was. There really was a, I think this is a, something that's sort

00:06:49.520 of misunderstood and maybe unknown to like a griper or whatever, who's 17 and listening to

00:06:55.360 Nick Fuentes. There was a sort of anti Republican kind of anti conservative, um, quality to it.

00:07:03.060 There was, it was not, uh, about social conservatism. It certainly was not about the,

00:07:08.020 the anti-abortion issue. And it was like, let's just be a good old fashioned nation. 0.60

00:07:14.920 Like we were back in the day, let's leave everyone alone. Let's leave the world alone,

00:07:18.740 but let's not allow the world here. And I, I think there's been a, uh, you know, that's

00:07:25.100 where we, I'll say this, but I'll, I'll let you talk about this a little bit. That's where

00:07:28.920 we were at the time. And I think the alt-right was this nebulous formation at the time. It

00:07:34.400 didn't really have an ideology or any coherency. It was sort of George Bush is an abomination

00:07:41.400 and we've got to find something else. Yeah. I mean, I think there was, I think it was maybe

00:07:47.380 a little bit like there was different segments, but I think the alt-right website, like, I think

00:07:53.460 there was an actual coherence there. It was basically the Jews made Bush do it. And we have 0.94

00:07:59.660 all these low IQ races. And the, I mean, I think this is where like a lot of people were at and you 0.99

00:08:04.380 couldn't say that, like, you could be like, you could be publishing in tech and you had sort of

00:08:08.400 these Lou Rockwell people. Um, and maybe we accepted a lot of their sort of views of the

00:08:13.640 fed and, you know, the economy and whatever, but I think it was actually sort of coherent.

00:08:18.640 I think it was, I think it was at the time, like they were, you know, there was these Jews, 0.99

00:08:22.780 they had too much influence. Um, they won't let us talk about these racial issues. Uh, you

00:08:27.340 know, we, we were early on the, on the woman question. We were all like, you know, women,

00:08:31.420 we were before now everyone who tries to be kind of edgy says, Oh, you know, repeal the 19th

00:08:36.820 amendment. I mean, we were, I think way beyond that. We wanted to repeal voting, I think not

00:08:43.120 just, but yeah, go on. Yeah, exactly. And, uh, you know, I've, you know, I've gone back.

00:08:49.280 I mean, I've studied the, I could say how it looked at the time, but I've gone back and

00:08:53.080 I studied the origins of the Iraq war and a lot of depth that I have a, a, um, uh, pretty

00:08:58.800 long, uh, uh, discussion of it in my first book, public choice theory and the illusion of

00:09:02.980 grand strategy. And I think at the time, a lot of us perceived them. A lot of people

00:09:06.800 perceive it today that there was sort of this neocon ideology was like actually a

00:09:10.460 real thing. Um, and then there's people who think it was like just, you know, all

00:09:14.260 Jewish, uh, kind of like Jewish, uh, you know, plot or whatever to just knock out 1.00

00:09:18.720 that Israel. I don't take either of those positions. I think it was completely, and 0.91

00:09:23.180 this is the parallel, I think, to what happened later in the Republican movement.

00:09:26.340 And I think tells us something about the nature of conservatism. It was

00:09:29.600 improvisation, right? I, I, the way you look at it, if you look at a month by month,

00:09:33.300 year by year, it was like nine 11 happens. People are whispering in Bush's ear.

00:09:37.560 Let's go take out Saddam. That'd be a cool thing to do. They want to take out 1.00

00:09:40.020 Saddam. The people who want to take out Saddam are not thinking about building 0.91

00:09:42.860 democracy in Iraq. Like nobody is thinking about that, uh, before, like maybe a few

00:09:46.860 people somewhere, but like, I looked in like weekly standard and what they were

00:09:50.480 writing. They were writing about democracy. And so we go in, we think we're just

00:09:53.920 going to kick Saddam's ass. And then Bush is like, you know, what, what the hell? 1.00

00:09:57.360 Like I have this thing, like, what am I going to do? And there's no WMDs and it

00:10:02.660 sort of becomes a post hoc justification. And then you would go to national review

00:10:06.120 and then they would write these articles like, Oh, support our troops. They're

00:10:10.160 fighting because, you know, Iraqis don't have, uh, you know, freedom and freedom

00:10:13.800 of the press. We're going to lose our freedom here. So it was like, that's

00:10:16.380 stupid. It was like that, like they had to like make up a reason why we did this 1.00

00:10:20.560 thing that made no sense. And I think like,

00:10:23.500 Was it similar with like Woodrow Wilson? I mean, I don't know if you've looked at,

00:10:26.360 I think I've remember this from reading a world war one book that the war to end

00:10:31.940 all wars and so on. What was a, there was an ad hoc quality to it of, of you have

00:10:38.260 to justify this thing in some manner and heady idealism is appealing, you know,

00:10:44.240 with, with Wilson, a, a, you know, former president of Princeton university, you

00:10:48.380 know, no less, uh, that in, in certainly the progressive era, that was a way of

00:10:53.560 appealing, a way of justifying. And maybe there was a, a certain repetition

00:10:57.280 there, you know, a hundred or 90 years later.

00:11:00.140 Yeah. I mean, another, another, uh, sort of, uh, it was another situation that was

00:11:04.140 analogous and maybe this is a recurring theme throughout history, the civil war,

00:11:07.860 right? It starts, uh, Lincoln wants to preserve the union. I mean, he would be

00:11:12.860 fine with, you know, uh, preserving slavery in some States, but by the end it's

00:11:16.840 the emancipation proclamation thing has to make sense. Why did we have all this

00:11:19.860 carnage? Okay. We ended slavery in the United States. Right. So this is, this

00:11:23.580 is kind of a very, uh, common thing, but I think this, but like, it sort of

00:11:28.040 became an ideology and it's like everything in conservatism is sort of

00:11:31.380 like this, like Trump comes down the escalator. And I think I, what we were

00:11:35.140 thinking at the time, like we primed everyone to think about like, you know,

00:11:38.580 immigration as like a national issue is like a racial issue or whatever. And

00:11:42.000 maybe there's like a little bit.

00:11:43.440 I think we did actually.

00:11:44.820 Yeah.

00:11:45.340 This is my thesis actually, but I'll, I'll hear you first and then I'll, I'll

00:11:48.520 respond. I mean, I don't know, like how, I don't know how important we were

00:11:51.200 because look, there was like all with like the Republican base always hated

00:11:54.860 immigration. Uh, like they beat back, tried to do immigration reform in the

00:11:58.940 years before that. Um, and you're right. I mean, like Jeff Sessions would be

00:12:02.880 like the first Senator to endorse Trump. So like that, to the extent that Trump

00:12:06.140 had any like intellectual support at all, uh,

00:12:09.440 Mitt Romney was pretty hard on immigration as well. He jumped on it in 2012,

00:12:13.440 also sort of forgotten by people who are like Mitt Romney, Rhino or whatever.

00:12:17.700 He was talking about self-deportation and astounding these notes.

00:12:22.440 Yeah, exactly. But I mean, I think the immigration issues may be unique, but

00:12:25.460 most other things like about Trump, people are just postdoc justifying like

00:12:29.180 what, like Trump's sort of what, what satisfies his ego or his personal

00:12:33.320 grievances. Like they all hate the FBI now. Like why do Republicans hate the

00:12:37.600 FBI? Like in Congress, they're trying to hold up like buildings, like the FBI,

00:12:40.680 you can't have your new building. You can't have your cafeteria or whatever.

00:12:43.520 It's like only because of Trump. Like there was never a history of like

00:12:47.300 conservatives hating the FBI, right? The election denial, again, it's all just

00:12:52.600 Trump. It's like, it became the number one issue. All these Republican states are

00:12:55.280 like elections are being, I mean, I've seen some data that like Trump does better

00:12:58.320 among low propensity voters. So they might be shooting themselves in the foot by

00:13:01.160 making it harder to vote in all these states. Uh, Kamala in Pennsylvania, Trump I saw

00:13:06.480 was up, uh, by five among people who didn't vote in 2020, but Kamala was up by two, uh, for

00:13:12.140 people who did vote in 2020. So wasn't there Richard, like they were talking about

00:13:16.000 like, we don't know what is going on in Detroit. And it was some sort of sub

00:13:20.340 racial sub tweeting, but in fact, like Trump outperformed like Hillary Clinton in 0.74

00:13:26.880 2016 in Detroit, like, like they were, they were accusing Detroit of, of being, you

00:13:33.720 know, um, stealing the election. And there was a sort of racial, obvious racial

00:13:37.900 quality of that. They're out of their minds. Those blacks were voting for Trump,

00:13:41.340 kind of greatest irony. The New York Times had this great piece about this one 0.95

00:13:46.280 county in Nevada with barely any people and Trump won by like 70%. And they chased the,

00:13:52.320 like the head of elections out because they think Trump should have won by more. And like

00:13:55.840 they voted harassed us because they thought Trump should have got all the votes. I mean,

00:14:01.560 it's not connected to reality at all. And this is sort of, you know, what became,

00:14:05.640 this book became straight up, but it's like these people 15 years ago, and you talk about this too,

00:14:09.780 sometimes it's the exact same people, right? They were into W's, um, crusade to democratize the

00:14:14.840 Middle East, right? They were into all the retarded Trump stuff. And so like, it's a, it's a kind of, 0.98

00:14:20.720 these aren't intellectual people. It's a, it's a, uh, it's like the people who read, you know,

00:14:25.920 I always found it so interesting that like the New York post and like the daily mail are like

00:14:30.640 conservative papers and tabloids at the same time. Like the New York times is not like a tabloid,

00:14:35.420 right? So it's like the people who just read tabloids are like the same people who are

00:14:39.320 conservatives just because they're looking to be entertained and they don't have their, you know,

00:14:42.940 they can be just sort of led based on whatever the leader in power happens to be doing.

00:14:48.140 Yes. I, I think there's a lot of truth to that, but let me tell a little bit of a story here

00:14:55.560 that maybe adds another layer to the, what you're putting forth, which is sort of ad hoc,

00:15:01.240 retroactive justification of a lot of their positions. It's all about Trump's personality

00:15:07.180 cult and they'll come up with the morality and, and policy and politics later, which I think is,

00:15:13.720 uh, largely true. So when Trump came down the escalator, he talked about immigration and he

00:15:22.160 talked about it in a emotional sort of even vicious manner of they're sending rapists. And,

00:15:29.400 and some of them I assume are good people and things like that. And there was a, a notion of,

00:15:36.200 you know, what is this, what is happening? Because after Mitt Romney had lost,

00:15:41.840 there was a consensus in the GOP that we can never do this again, that we are going to reach out to

00:15:49.040 Hispanics, Indian immigrants. We're going to be the grand opportunity party, I think is how they were,

00:15:54.800 they were pitching it in a autopsy from 2003. And then Trump comes in and, and, and totally changes

00:16:01.600 the game. The establishment was the Republican establishment was pretty radically against

00:16:09.320 Donald Trump. Fox news was against Donald Trump at the very beginning before they became his

00:16:14.160 propaganda wing national review was against Donald Trump. We shouldn't be that surprised about that.

00:16:19.920 People like Glenn Beck, uh, were against Donald Trump and they're now Trump fans. So, but they

00:16:27.600 were against him at the point. And there was only the alt right that I think in a genuinely joking

00:16:34.080 manner was pro Trump. Basically they're like, this guy is ridiculous. He's funny. They're these anime 1.00

00:16:41.880 memes, but he's also racist. So why don't we just jump on? Like if there, there was a little bit of a,

00:16:48.160 just dive in head first, no matter what happens quality to the alt right. The, we, we had done

00:16:56.320 that to some degree in a much smaller way. And with our obviously limited capacity, we had done that

00:17:04.160 with the Ron Paul movement. Ron Paul might get 5% here and there at most, he's not going to really

00:17:09.680 change the game. Trump was winning. And so there was this odd circumstance where Trump was reaching

00:17:16.540 people. He's reaching his own fans, creating a personality cult, doing it on Facebook largely,

00:17:21.180 um, getting promoted by the mainstream media, CNN and MSNBC who were integral to promoting Trump,

00:17:27.340 but he needed a sort of ideological arm and the alt right, which had next to no resources,

00:17:34.940 but tons of energy and hilarity and youthful enthusiasm was like, oh, look, we'll do it.

00:17:41.260 And it was a unique situation. And it's a situation that really ended the moment he won the Republican

00:17:49.340 nomination, I think, but definitely the moment that he won the election. Um, and so you have these,

00:17:56.740 so I think there is this funny way in which all of the stuff that we were doing, these debates that we

00:18:03.580 were having on small web zines in 2010 are re-emerging in the mouths of anti-Trumpers. Matt Walsh is an

00:18:15.740 example. Matt Walsh will say like, well, you know, the, what's really motivating Washington is their

00:18:21.900 anti-white bias. And he'll even sort of hint at some IQ difference. I saw Don Jr. tweeted out something.

00:18:31.340 You, you treated this of, of like, you know, they're low IQ basically when he's talking about

00:18:36.620 Haitians. He actually, I mean, it was more explicit. I mean, he's like talking, it's like he, someone

00:18:39.820 gave him like Steve Saylor bullet points. Uh, he goes, yeah, they're, uh, you know, the, these are

00:18:44.380 low IQ nations. He's talking about Haiti. You invite the world, you become the world. I mean,

00:18:47.900 they exact phrase it. I mean, it's exact, I mean, it was put in his brain. And, and, but it's dumbed down,

00:18:54.540 but I think it's also impossible to say that they weren't influenced on some basic level from that

00:19:01.820 world. And so you have these, these odd situations where, I mean, I remember mentioning this to the

00:19:07.900 group, um, the other day where Laura Ingram was interviewing Trump and, and she was like, um,

00:19:13.740 we're not going back to those days of endless wars and pro immigration. Like it's like Laura

00:19:20.940 Ingram, you, you, you were the police officer on those days. You were the one denouncing people

00:19:27.660 or getting them fired because they didn't support your endless wars and so on. And now you're just

00:19:34.140 kind of, you know, a high and mighty about it. There's something deeply infuriating, but I do feel

00:19:40.620 like the mainstream right has dispensed with the conservative movement that we were attacking that

00:19:48.300 you could trace to say 1955 to 2005, let's say the Buckley I and with some neoconservative influence

00:19:59.260 and they've, they're reiterating the alt-right in a dumbed down fashion. And I, you know, and I'm just

00:20:09.340 going to speak personally here. I think you probably have a similar feeling, you know, like I've moved

00:20:17.260 on, you know, when I hear this stuff in a, in a stupid form coming from the mouth of some conservative 0.99

00:20:25.260 ideologue, I'm just like, I don't even want to hear this. I hate it. I've moved on, but I think it's 1.00

00:20:33.340 also sort of not relevant when you're going against the grain in 2010 and you're really

00:20:41.900 speaking truth to power to use that, you know, phrase that that's meaningful when you're picking

00:20:50.540 up alt-right memes from 15 years ago on behalf of this bizarre, inane personality cult. I find it

00:21:01.420 annoying to say the least, but to say we haven't had influence is wrong. I guess the question like,

00:21:10.300 was our influence entirely bad or, or is there some like fun house mirror version of the alt-right,

00:21:18.460 which is now mainstream conservatism, which is now national review. Like we won the argument,

00:21:24.780 but we have this like skewed aborted version of what we believed. Yeah. Yes. The parallels are

00:21:32.700 amazing. Even like, you know, so another thing that, you know, that you haven't mentioned,

00:21:35.980 like being pro-Russia, like who was pro-Russia into that? We were so-

00:21:40.780 We were.

00:21:41.260 Yes, we loved this guy. They didn't even know who it was. Like we just knew this guy and we loved

00:21:47.660 him. Yeah. I mean, we were, yeah, it's, it's, it's really, the parallels are crazy. I mean,

00:21:52.220 Trump, you know, he was a celebrity. He was, you know, the practice was like the number one show

00:21:55.820 in the country or something like that. And all these boomers, they knew who he was. And yeah,

00:22:00.220 you would turn on TV. You would turn on cable news at the time, right? But after you came in

00:22:04.460 on the escalator and he, it was blanket, like CNN would cover his entire rally. He'd be on morning,

00:22:10.220 Joe, every morning, just answering every question going on for hours with them. You're right. And so

00:22:15.740 like somebody could look at that and say, well, he was just this very famous guy who was on TV all the

00:22:20.300 time. And like that, you know, that, and the Republican base ended up liking what they saw,

00:22:24.700 but you're right about this sort of online internet energy. I think maybe one of our roles

00:22:29.820 was maybe causing liberal, like, cause we were out, we were out there, you know, I wasn't there at the

00:22:34.620 time, but the people who were my spirit was who were out there and they were like, you know,

00:22:40.220 oh, this guy's racist. This guy's a white nationalist like us, Hillary Clinton. And these people would

00:22:44.140 respond like, oh, he's a white nationalist. He wouldn't denounce just because anyone who kisses his ass 1.00

00:22:48.460 is like somebody he won't denounce. And then, and then I think the, the conservative 0.99

00:22:53.980 base, like the voters, the people who just watch Fox news are like, oh, all these leftists are

00:22:58.060 attacking him. So maybe there was like this indirect way where like, just by becoming the face of Trump,

00:23:02.700 because what the media wanted, like, you know, Hillary Clinton has a speech where she talks about

00:23:05.900 Alex Jones, probably best thing that ever happened to Alex Jones, as far as like being a respected

00:23:11.020 person in the conservative movement. And so, yeah, I mean, and it's amazing the extent to,

00:23:17.820 I mean, it's really is bastardized and stupid. I mean, I, you know, people will talk to me and, 0.99

00:23:23.980 you know, they will be like, you know, they love like, like bronze age pervert and like the way they 0.99

00:23:28.620 judge thinkers and intellectuals. And I, you know, I've had a little bit more recent experience

00:23:32.620 because I was more of a, like a, you know, more of a writer at like 2000, even by 2021,

00:23:37.500 2022, much later than you of being disillusioned with all this stuff. Like these people would be

00:23:42.700 like, oh man, you're, you know, my friend says you're a liberal now. And like, he loved your

00:23:46.700 tweets like three years ago. And the only thing they love is like, you're racist or you're sexist. 0.73

00:23:53.260 It's like, I'm more than that. Right. Like, like there has to be some kind of, you know,

00:23:57.580 thought it's only anyone could go out there and be, you know, racist or crude. And, you know,

00:24:01.660 I think maybe we're like this, a part of it might be just, we're like, we get bored easily.

00:24:06.140 Like I can't like sit there for 15 years, like using the same talking points. I mean,

00:24:11.900 you do see like V-Dare recently like shut down and, you know, it's nothing against them, but

00:24:19.020 you could have taken an article from 2008 and 2019 or 2020.

00:24:23.340 Oh, it's the same.

00:24:26.620 First of all, you should change because the world changes, right? Like immigration in 2000 is not 0.90

00:24:30.780 immigration in 2022, when like all your Latinos from Trump are having like these music videos and, 0.76

00:24:35.660 you know, obviously something has changed in the culture. And then there's part of it was just

00:24:39.340 like, you know, I'm bored. Like it didn't, it didn't work. Like you yelled about immigration

00:24:43.900 and said, we should be a white country. Okay. Now you have like these black and Hispanic Trump 0.99

00:24:47.980 rappers and all the college educated whites went to the Democrats and like now whites hate you. 1.00

00:24:52.220 And like Taylor Swift thinks you're a bunch of scumbags, like the most mainstream person in the world. 1.00

00:24:56.300 Like maybe rethink like what you're doing. 0.99

00:24:58.300 Yeah, exactly. Maybe grow as well. And start to question, question your assumptions

00:25:05.100 as well. I think you have, you, you have to do that. And yeah, I guess it's, it's also,

00:25:09.820 I think avoiding audience capture, you either have to be autistic, literally or figuratively, 0.95

00:25:17.100 you know, you, you just have to sort of live in your own head, you use reason, you marched your 0.99

00:25:21.980 own drummer, or you have to be a sort of arrogant asshole and just say, look, no, I'm, I'm going 1.00

00:25:29.340 where I'm going. You know, you can follow, you cannot, it's up to you. Um, I, I think there are a few 1.00

00:25:35.020 people who are like that, even ones that I disagree with. I appreciate that, that they're going to tell

00:25:40.540 me something I don't know. Um, or make me rethink something when you're, when you're like a underpaid

00:25:47.580 propagandist of the Republican party, I, I couldn't live with myself.

RadixJournal - September 20, 2024

The Summit of Richards (Audio)

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