On this episode of Conspiracy Theories, host Alex Blumberg and co-host Ryan Henderson discuss the growing number of conspiracy theories surrounding Donald Trump and his potential role as a messianic messiah figure in the millennial kingdom.
00:00:00.000Let's start off. I'll set up my feelings on this matter. I think that even if you do not believe in the Bible at all, even if you think all myth is hocus pocus, you are a utterly secular or scientifically minded person.
00:00:22.400Even such a man as this or a woman would admit that there's an almost religious like quality to Donald Trump and the upcoming election in 2024.
00:00:39.700That for Trump, it is win or die like you are going to prison if you lose a presidential election, at least ostensibly.
00:00:51.700And there's also a a kind of devotion to Trump that you don't see for Biden that can only be described as cult like.
00:01:05.100And I don't think I'm being unfair here. Like, I don't think I'm being just a shrill, liberal, you know, disrespecting Republicans or something there.
00:01:15.820The the the mass rally, the kind of excitement and energy, crazy energy that goes on there, the kind of crazy notions that a lot of people will openly express of, you know, you know, something like their bio labs in Ukraine or whatever.
00:01:34.780But there's also things like Trump is actually the president right now. He Biden is a an actor or even a robot or something.
00:01:46.220Trump is in charge or he's in charge of the military. You've heard it all. There's there's a kind of reality bending quality to it all.
00:01:53.680And something like QAnon, you know, on one level, it was a bizarre, gamified conspiracy theory or all encompassing conspiracy theory.
00:02:06.320But on another level, it was a cult in the in the true sense of that term. It was about good and evil.
00:02:16.040It was about redemption. Maybe Trump was a sort of messiah in that cult.
00:02:24.240I think I might need to look at it a little bit more to say say for sure.
00:02:28.600But but to to a degree that that's definitely true.
00:02:32.660So, you know, I can remember elections like the election of Bob Dole versus Bill Clinton.
00:02:40.280And there was a religious quality to that in the in the very minor sense of, you know, Bill Clinton's a scoundrel and a sex addict or whatever.
00:02:53.760And Bob Dole is a decent guy from Kansas who's a good old fashioned Protestant or something like that.
00:03:01.680That was it. It was it was merely on a personal level.
00:03:05.240And it was a bit, you know, hit or miss.
00:03:08.720But I feel like, you know, we fast forward 20, 30 years and we've just reached a new stage of politics where it is there's a itself politics itself has become religious like.
00:03:28.780So what do you think about all those ideas that this is kind of my perspective on on this matter?
00:03:35.240Yeah. Well, you raise some interesting points that even if you are secular minded, that there is a very religious and messianic arc happening right now with Donald Trump and the immense amount of support and following that he has.
00:03:53.220Some may even say it's a very cult like following where they see him as this messianic figure who is going to bring about this new age of man through the destruction of the current order, which, you know, goes into a lot of the themes that I talk about with, you know, the beast system versus the harlot system.
00:04:10.620And how in Revelation 17, 16, it says that the beast, you know, the first the woman rides the beast and then the beast destroys the harlot.
00:04:20.020He hates her and burns and burns her with fire and eats her flesh.
00:04:23.600And what I believe we're seeing right now is the beast who, you know, represents this, this messianic figure who is going to deliver us from evil, right?
00:04:36.420Much like Jesus, which is what the Antichrist is, a counterfeit version of Jesus, a counterfeit Messiah who is going to bring about a counterfeit millennial kingdom.
00:04:46.520Right. Because in Revelation, it talks about, you know, Jesus comes, he destroys the beast system and then brings about the millennial kingdom.
00:04:54.660Well, the Antichrist is going to do exactly what Jesus did and is going to do in the millennial kingdom as to convince people that he is Christ.
00:05:04.460And it's really interesting to see the parallels here.
00:05:07.880Right now we see Donald Trump being literally crucified right now with three indictments.
00:05:14.300I expect one more indictment, a fourth indictment, which I believe will be, will symbolically represent the four nails put into Jesus.
00:05:23.600I believe that we are going to see him sort of die and then resurrect.
00:05:29.900And through his resurrection, he will bring about vengeance on his enemies, destroying them.
00:05:36.240And then with it, this current order and its players and establish something new, which if you look at a lot of the Q stuff that they've been talking about, they've been talking about how this, what Trump is doing is ushering in the millennial kingdom, which, you know, they don't realize it.
00:05:57.640But what they're actually doing is they're ushering in the beast kingdom, which, again, is a counterfeit millennial kingdom by a counterfeit Christ.
00:07:01.940So, you know, Trump really has, there's a very big, deep disconnect between Trump and the actual words of God.
00:07:08.400I've said many times that I really don't believe Trump understands fully his role in all these things.
00:07:14.580You know, it's funny because, you know, a lot of people, when they think of the Antichrist, they think of this young, charming guy who's going to come and he's going to, you know, he's going to appeal to both sides of politics.
00:07:26.920And he's going to unite everyone, you know, both the left and the right into this common cause.
00:07:32.360And he's going to be, you know, this Hollywood actor almost.
00:07:38.200And then he's going to be very deceitful and he's going to be evil deep down inside.
00:07:42.840And then he's going to do these and he's going to have tyranny, which all these things really derive from the Left Behind series version of the Antichrist, which I think has propelled a lot of people into a really bad eschatology.
00:07:57.580But what we really, when we read the Bible, what we really see the Antichrist is, is he is a proud, boastful, loud man who magnifies himself in his heart, who exalts himself above all who dwell on the earth, who really wants to be praised, worshipped, and adored like Jesus was.
00:08:24.320He sees the praise and the worship that Jesus gets, and he wants that for himself because in his mind, he's number one.
00:08:32.100In his mind, there is no one greater than him.
00:08:35.020And what Trump is doing, and I think Trump is being led to do this.
00:08:40.800I don't, like I said, I don't think Trump really quite realizes his role.
00:08:43.940But I think people in his circles like Kushner, I think people like, you know, the strong influences that, you know, kind of are in his backstage, I think that many of them may have a clue on what's going on.
00:09:00.140And they're kind of just leading him down this path to fulfill this messianic arc for many different reasons.
00:09:05.640Number one, the religious Jews in Israel have been long awaiting their chosen one, their chosen Mashiach, who would be the descendant of King David.
00:09:14.140Mind you, Jesus is the true son of David, right, which is why he's called the son of David.
00:09:18.720The descendant, he fulfills the Davidic covenant.
00:09:21.500But the Jews in Israel rejected Jesus.
00:09:23.980They're still waiting for their son of David to come because what they're looking for is they're looking for a political leader.
00:09:29.940They're looking for someone who's going to be a champion for Israel's causes and who's going to stand up against their enemies, which they see in Trump.
00:09:40.220And I'm not sure if you've seen the thread that I posted.
00:10:38.480He treated you respectfully, and he listened to you.
00:10:41.180And so even if I might ultimately disagree, I do want to hear you out because you've thought through this, and you're not just blowing wind.
00:10:54.320You're kind of justifying what you're saying on the Bible.
00:10:58.360And so I feel like even if I will ultimately or might ultimately reject what you're saying, I feel like you're offering the most articulate and well-grounded version of what I think a lot of people might be thinking.
00:11:18.460Or maybe they're thinking in the way of a kind of mirror image or dark mirror, you could say, or you're their dark mirror, whichever.
00:11:28.320Because a lot of people I'm thinking of here love Trump, of course, and think he's going to save them.
00:11:32.400But I feel like you were able to get to the essence of something.
00:11:39.260And so I really appreciated that interview.
00:11:42.660And then I've been – after that and in the subsequent year, I've read a ton of your Twitter threads.
00:11:50.080And, yeah, I mean, I'm fascinated, to be honest.
00:11:55.360Well, give us a little bit of – yeah, I mean, you can obviously – anonymity and all that kind of stuff.
00:12:00.440But give us a little bit about your own personal story in all this.
00:12:06.840Absolutely. Yeah, so it's really funny because a lot of people come on to my comments and they'll say things like, you know, you're just a TDS.
00:12:16.060You have TDS. You're just a Trump hater.
00:12:18.340You're probably a liberal shill, Democrat, DNC plant, all this, CIA fed, everything under the bus.
00:12:25.100But I actually – and I've been very transparent with this.
00:12:27.960I was a very, very staunch Trump supporter.
00:13:02.940So, you know, what I tried to do is I tried to kind of debunk this notion.
00:13:07.900And the further and further down the quote-unquote rabbit hole I went, the more things really started to look like, you know, this is the case.
00:13:17.300And it's really quite fascinating because it was a very hard pill for me to swallow.
00:13:30.800And I'm in agreement with a large portion of his policies and decisions that he made as a president and his platforms.
00:13:38.620But, however, I can't allow my personal feelings to sort of blind me to this sort of huge mountain of evidence and so many signs pointing to this conclusion.
00:13:56.140And, you know, it got to a point eventually where it was like I can no longer ignore this.
00:14:03.260And I originally – when I made my Twitter account, I didn't really expect anyone to really follow it.
00:14:09.320It was actually just a medium for me to post my findings, post different connections and things like this so I could kind of keep track of it all.
00:14:16.480Because my wife was kind of sick of hearing me talk about it all day, right?
00:14:22.220So, you know, and I'm doing this, and, you know, it's attracted a lot of people.
00:14:27.840And I think that the reason it has is because of just the level of, you know, of consistency and just so much.
00:14:39.240I mean there's just layers and layers and it just all points in one direction that, you know, essentially what's happening right now is, you know, ever since Trump left office, you know, Joe Biden came into power.
00:14:52.240And it just seems like everything that is happening right now is being done purposely and by design for the sole purpose of making you more likely to embrace a triumphant Trump return to power and to sort of fix all of the problems that have been occurring.
00:15:12.440I mean we have, you know, the Ukraine situation, what's happening with Russia and Ukraine.
00:15:18.520And, you know, you have the likes of even like Noam Chomsky, for example, who is a very famous leftist, saying that, you know, the only statesman that can solve peace for this is Donald Trump, you know, which was very shocking for many to hear.
00:15:34.100I mean, you know, it's almost like Trump is being set up to be the peacemaker.
00:15:39.080He's going to come back, and it's funny because in Daniel chapter 8 verse 25, it says that he shall magnify himself in his heart and by peace shall destroy many.
00:15:49.520First Thessalonians chapter 5 verse 3, it says that in the last days it says they shall cry out peace and safety and then sudden destruction cometh upon them as to avail a woman with child and they shall not escape.
00:16:02.640So when we're thinking about the Antichrist, most of the time we're thinking of clear tyranny, we're thinking of clear antagonism to Christianity, we're thinking of someone who's going to just be an outright obvious evil.
00:16:16.380The Antichrist is someone who comes promising peace.
00:16:19.700He comes as a peacemaker, and he comes as a false light.
00:16:24.660Second Corinthians, I believe, chapter 4 verse 4, it says that Satan masquerades as an angel of light, right?
00:16:30.600And so, you know, Satan's, the best way to infiltrate, the best way to target Christianity is not by overt adversity, but rather by infiltration.
00:16:42.500We see most of the church is so enamored and wondering after Donald Trump.
00:16:49.060And we see, you know, these rising, quote unquote, prophets who are prophesying about Trump and how, you know, God is sending them message about he is God.
00:17:02.820And, you know, we need to be behind Trump.
00:17:05.100And Trump is going to destroy the evil in the world.
00:17:07.980He's going to bring the world out of darkness into light, which is a very interesting theme, which is a whole rabbit hole by itself.
00:17:14.280This darkness to light thing, as Q says, and it's really quite fascinating to see, especially knowing the connections with Trump and the religious Jews in Israel.
00:17:28.600Right now, the overseer of the tomb of King David, the rabbi there, he is trying to connect, he is trying to link Trump's genealogy to King David's directly, which would make him a legitimate candidate for the Moshiach.
00:17:46.880And, you know, this is which which is absolutely crazy in that thread.
00:17:51.740I showed you how I showed how Lev Parnas in a secret meeting, Lev Parnas and others told Trump that his numbers match the same as Messiah for 24, which they're right about Donald John Trump.
00:18:03.820When you translate it to Hebrew and put it into Dermatria equals for 24, as well as Messiah, son of David, also equals for 24 in Hebrew Dermatria.
00:18:13.260And Lev Parnas was pointing this out to Trump. And then Lev Parnas said something interesting.
00:18:17.780He said, it's amazing. It's almost like you're the savior of the whole world.
00:18:22.320It's it's really quite quite interesting. And then the next day, Trump goes to visit the Western Wall.
00:18:28.580And the moment his hand touches the wall, the time turns to 424, the exact moment that he touches the wall.
00:18:38.640By the way, he was the first sitting U.S. president to visit the Western Wall during presidency.
00:18:45.700And he also so many things. He moved the the embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem.
00:18:51.960And that was a that was a that was a religious statement.
00:18:54.440When he when he did that, he made the statement that Jerusalem is Israel's eternal capital.
00:19:00.920And I don't think people realize how big of a deal these things that Donald Trump did for Israel.
00:19:07.560I think, you know, a lot of people say, you know, that, you know, oh, you know, Israel first, all this.
00:19:12.860But I mean, I don't think a lot of people really dig deeper and see what's really going on here.
00:19:17.800And and what what I believe we're seeing is we are seeing the Jews preparing to embrace their Messiah is going to lead them into their messianic age through through through through fulfilling these these Davidic prophecies.
00:19:36.160Like Jesus is going to the millennial kingdom.
00:19:39.320But that's what the Antichrist does. He is a counterfeit.
00:19:41.900So it's it's really all very fascinating when you see a lot of these prophets and these and a lot of these NAR like evangelicals and religious Jews.
00:19:54.900I mean, they really see him as a messianic figure set by God to change the world.
00:20:01.780This is all fascinating. Let me I want to talk a little bit about both the identity of the Messiah and then also the identity of the Antichrist.
00:20:11.900But before I do that, let me just get a little more.
00:20:16.980I'm curious. And I think it's it's important as well.
00:22:45.840And in in a place like Dallas, Texas, where, you know, it's it's sort of in the south.
00:22:52.720There's a lot of a lot of Christians in in Texas, a lot of conservatives in Texas.
00:22:58.220And this was a really important thing for them.
00:23:04.060No one was talking about if you were like me and you watch the mainstream media or read the New York Times or, you know, we're reading Nietzsche or whatever.
00:23:15.800But if you went to a evangelical church or maybe even maybe even if you're a Catholic, I don't know.
00:23:23.300Everyone was passing this book around.
00:23:25.420It was a huge bestseller, sold millions of copies.
00:23:28.920And it seemed to also lead directly into the the the Iraq war and Bush era and a lot of people who maybe probably voted for Bush, but kind of I don't know, maybe reluctantly or in a lukewarm fashion.
00:23:46.320Soon there was a cult around Bush that I think can be directly traced, actually, to left behind.
00:23:55.980There was a sense of, you know, invading Iraq where we're striking against Babylon and where there was all of this stuff that, you know, and someone like me who's who's secular minded, I would be like, all right, this is nonsense.
00:24:10.980It's just a bunch of, you know, it's the neocons want this and, you know, blah, blah, blah.
00:24:15.740But maybe I don't like how I think about something is not necessarily how how other people do.
00:24:22.700Like there's there was a religious kind of moment then, too.
00:24:27.520And even that, you know, 2005 inaugural address from George W. Bush, where he said, this is our charge.
00:24:34.740We are effectively tasked by God to bring democracy to the world.
00:24:38.660I mean, you know, you could say, oh, that's like liberalism on steroids.
00:24:43.120But what what is that outside of some kind of messianic message?
00:24:52.440It wasn't like I'm going to defend you from terrorists.
00:24:55.100It was like we are going to literally save the world.
00:24:58.380And so these currents are in the background.
00:25:03.060And I think a lot of people like me and liberals and libertarians and kind of we tend to dismiss this stuff or make fun of it.
00:25:14.640And I think at our peril and like we are we need to we need to engage with it because this is the kind of stuff that is actually influencing things and changing.
00:26:01.120But yeah, I think that that I think that you're right, though.
00:26:04.000I think people need to pay some serious attention to what a lot of these types are saying, because I mean, they they they truly believe that, you know, they are sent by God to fulfill these things.
00:26:17.200And, you know, they they have a lot of conviction.
00:26:21.140I mean, you know, there is there is a lot of conviction behind what they're doing.
00:26:25.280It's not just because they want lower taxes or because, you know, they they they don't believe in climate change.
00:26:32.020I mean, this is you know, they believe God has they you know, God has his hand on what they are doing.
00:26:38.200And not just the American evangelicals, but also the religious Jews in Israel.
00:26:45.160And I think that what we're seeing here is is going going very unnoticed by a lot of people.
00:26:53.280So let's talk a little bit about the Messiah and I'll and the Antichrist and I'll kind of play off this or I'll kind of set the table here a little bit.
00:27:02.120So in in the Gospels, I think in multiple Gospels, there's there's a very famous scene where the I guess it's the Pharisees offer the Jewish people, Jesus Barabbas and or or Jesus as we know him.
00:27:20.440And they choose consequently Jesus Barabbas.
00:27:26.200And it's very interesting because, first of all, they share the first name.
00:27:31.800So they're kind of mirror images of one another.
00:27:34.680And also Jesus Barabbas in one of the Gospels is depicted as an insurrectionist.
00:27:43.720When you think of J6, it has a it has a resonance.
00:27:49.920So basically what it's saying, in my mind, at least, is that the the Jews are blinded to the real Messiah.
00:27:59.460They're they're choosing a man who's a ruffian, a criminal who, you know, might have gone against Rome or the Roman authority in Jerusalem.
00:28:09.300And they're they're they're they're wanting a David.
00:28:12.020And what they get is kind of like a a third rate David.
00:28:17.740So it would be like the you know, we don't want Trump.
00:28:21.700We want the the QAnon shaman with the buffalo horns or what, you know, it's this kind of crude version of the Messiah.
00:28:30.720And Jesus is obviously a different type of Messiah.
00:28:33.920Jesus can sometimes use violent metaphors, but they're they're metaphors.
00:28:38.760He's he carried he comes with a sword.
00:28:40.620He's, you know, separating the wheat from the chaff.
00:29:17.880Yeah. So so you may so you make a really great point, actually, about the sort of duality between, you know, the Christ and Antichrist.
00:29:25.760You know, you've got Jesus and you've got Barabbas.
00:29:28.100You know, you've got Jesus who says, you know, put down your swords, you know, lay down your life peacefully as I have, you know, because he comes.
00:29:35.060He lays down his life sacrificially, you know, for us.
00:29:38.480And then you have the Antichrist who is, you know, or Barabbas, who is, like you said, this ruffian kind of, you know, he's he's broken laws.
00:29:47.980He is going to go after the government.
00:29:50.020He's going to give us all of our fleshly desires.
00:29:52.460He's going to give us hope in this world.
00:29:54.880You know, you know, we've got to trust, you know, trust the plan.
00:29:58.220You know, he's he's going to give us all the things that that our flesh wants.
00:30:02.680Right. But Jesus gives us the things of the spirit.
00:30:07.960I think that's what's happening with Donald Trump is, you know, people see Donald Trump as someone who's going to bring about all of these things here on earth.
00:30:16.600Right. But Jesus said, you know, my kingdom is not of this world.
00:30:20.800If my kingdom was of this world, then, you know, my servants would be fighting so that I would not be delivered unto the Jews.
00:30:26.460But my my kingdom is not of this world.
00:30:28.680And then you've got Trump who's like, you know, he was asked what his favorite Bible verses.
00:30:33.480You know what he said? He said, oh, my favorite Bible verse, an eye for an eye, an eye for an eye.
00:30:56.840So when Jesus came, he said, you know, it's it's it's not an eye for an eye.
00:31:00.480But like, you know, in like the old in like the old Mosaic law, like if someone were to steal something or someone stole something or someone, you know, if someone cut someone's hand off, you know, his his hand, you know, by the law should be cut off.
00:31:14.900And now it's just for that kind of time.
00:31:16.440And when Jesus came to fulfill the covenant, right.
00:31:19.620To fulfill the law, you know, he said, you know, it is not an eye for an eye, but, you know, take not vengeance.
00:32:11.640It's like the Barabbas, right, who goes after the government, who, you know, isn't, you know, isn't the, you know, the the the peace, you know, the peaceful messiah who laid down his life, you know, who loved his enemies, you know, whose kingdom was not of this world.
00:32:29.160But he's but it's the messianic arc still stays the same.
00:32:33.260And, you know, you've got you've got, you know, Jesus who saves our who see it, who saves our spirit.
00:32:38.180And then you've got Barabbas who saves our flesh in the same way that Donald Trump is like a sort of earthly fleshly savior that people will accept.
00:32:46.620And it's interesting because in John five, you know, Jesus is talking to the Jews and he says, you know, I have come in my father's name and you have not received me.
00:32:54.120But another shall come in his own name and him you shall receive.
00:32:59.020And, you know, it's interesting because, you know, Trump is certainly someone who I would say comes in his own name.
00:33:05.940You know, the Trump name is everything to Trump.
00:33:08.760He's got it plastered all over his buildings and his businesses.
00:33:12.880And, you know, everything is Trump this Trump that Trump comes in his own name.
00:33:16.960And the Jews have accepted him and they and I know as as the timeline gets further and further, we're going to see this messianic sort of this messianic narrative.
00:33:31.280You know, I like when I started my Twitter channel and I said, you know, you're going to see we're going to see Trump compared to a messiah, a messianic figure.
00:33:41.480It's and it's going to ramp up quick, you know, and this was in like probably early 2021, maybe mid 2021.
00:33:48.840And there wasn't really too, too much of that yet.
00:34:30.420Jesus was arrested that then, too, you know, and then Trump is also being arrested.
00:34:36.320So I think Donald Trump Jr. posted a picture and it was a picture of Jesus.
00:34:40.180And it was like, you know, Trump's not, you know, basically, I forget exactly what it said, but it was comparing, you know, Jesus's persecution to Trump's persecution.
00:34:49.940And this was shared by Donald Trump Jr.
00:34:52.000And then, you know, and there's just so much there's just so much like people comparing Trump to Jesus, comparing him to Moses, that guy from the Sound of Freedom movie, Jim, whatever.
00:35:04.880Or, you know, he said, yes, yeah, Caviezel.
00:35:23.140And and I believe this is the strong delusion talked about in Scripture.
00:35:27.800It says, you know, God shall send them a strong delusion.
00:35:30.620And, you know, a lot of people think that, you know, oh, the left, the godless, degenerate left and the LGBT stuff, you know, this is the main enemy.
00:35:38.620This is, you know, this is what we had to fight against.
00:35:41.140But I think that this is a red herring.
00:35:42.780I think that the obvious evil, the LGBT, the it's almost like the two sides in the Old Testament, how there was King Jehu versus Jezebel.
00:35:52.980You had Jezebel, who was the, you know, overtly evil child sacrificing, you know, you know, sex cult, basically, that and then you had the other side, which was Jehu, who saw himself as, you know, the righteous hand of God, you know, to destroy Jezebel.
00:36:13.420And while God did charge him to to destroy Jezebel, Jehu was not right with God either.
00:36:22.520And it's funny, because after Jehu destroyed Jezebel, he reinstated the national idol of the golden calves.
00:36:31.380And it was actually and it was actually Jehu's sin.
00:36:35.020That was the reason that Israel was punished.
00:36:37.780So God used Jehu to destroy Jezebel and to be sort of a vessel for God's judgment.
00:36:46.060But but Jehu was punished himself, as well as all of Israel for the idolatry of Jehu.
00:36:52.520And in the same way, I think that God is using Trump to bring about his righteous judgment upon the harlot, which is this obviously evil, you know, tyrannical system, you know, child sacrificing, you know, system, I guess you could say.
00:37:11.300And, you know, and but ultimately, you know, that doesn't mean that we follow Trump, because remember that God uses the beast to destroy the harlot.
00:37:21.460That doesn't mean that we follow the beast.
00:37:23.620And I think that's where the deception lies, as people are are following Trump, seeing him as, you know, an anointed one by God who we all need to get behind.
00:37:36.060And Trump, you know, all of this messianic talk, I mean, you know, we all know Trump's ego is out of this world.
00:37:43.500You know, he is really, really loving the praise and adoration.
00:37:49.000He's I believe that when he does all these things that Jesus is prophesied to do in the millennial kingdom, he will say that he is Christ.
00:37:57.940He made a post on Twitter, actually, saying that he was, well, implying that he was second to nobody, but Christ himself and a lot of his supporters agreeing with him.
00:38:28.400He magnifies himself in his heart, just like Daniel says.
00:38:31.180And, you know, a lot of people will will show me the video of him saying, oh, you know, Jesus is more famous than me and say, like, oh, see, he's a genuine Christian.
00:39:59.220But Frederick, I believe, demurred on going on crusades and then kind of went all in a little bit later.
00:40:08.200And he actually negotiated a peace in Jerusalem.
00:40:13.980And so he was kind of putting himself on par with the pope.
00:40:18.620And he was actually declared the Antichrist.
00:40:21.800I know a lot of monks, someone I mentioned a few weeks ago on this podcast, Joachim de Fiore, who's a fascinating person, also talks about revelation.
00:40:33.180And he actually thought at one point that Frederick might actually be the Antichrist and were ushering in a new age, an age of the spirit.
00:40:45.420But at the very least, you could say that there is that kind of, you know, from the pope's perspective, at least, there's a kind of false peacemaker with someone like Frederick.
00:40:55.480And you could also think of Frederick the Great.
00:41:00.060You could also think of Frederick Nietzsche.
00:41:04.840Nietzsche, I believe, was born on an anniversary of Frederick the Great's coronation.
00:41:08.840Frederick the Great was a kind of, you know, the ultimate enlightened despot and, you know, patron of the arts and sciences.
00:41:17.300Nietzsche, of course, declared himself the Antichrist, declared himself Dionysus in his madness.
00:41:23.880But, you know, one of my own perspective on Nietzsche is, and it's, you know, I guess a little bit idiosyncratic, but I think it's well justified, is that despite all of Nietzsche's raging against Christianity, you know, slave morality and all this kind of stuff,
00:41:43.860he retained the structure of Christianity in a remarkable way where even the Superman or Ubermensch is a kind of son of man and a messianic figure in his own right.
00:42:01.160And I think Nietzsche understood, much like Joachim de Fiori, he kind of understood himself as at the end of an age, the end of Christianity, the end of sciences, of humanism, of rationality.
00:42:16.500And it had kind of played itself out, and he was inaugurating a new age, which he wasn't quite able to define.
00:42:26.540So there's this, you know, I don't know, I'm kind of going on free association or symbolism here, but there's these Fredericks, these Germanic Fredericks and the Antichrist.
00:42:38.680I don't know, am I going too far by mentioning Fred Trump? Am I just being totally irrational here? Just throwing it out there.
00:42:46.240Oh, no, I don't think you're being irrational at all. You know, it's really interesting. Do you know what Trump's father's middle name is?
00:43:01.860His name is Christ. Yes. His name is Frederick Christ Trump. And Trump's grandmother, her maiden name is Elizabeth Christ. She is the daughter of Philip and Anna Maria Christ. And there's even someone in Trump's family lineage named Christ Christ, although not much is known about this individual. Oh, yeah. Isn't that crazy?
00:43:26.240This is a bit too much. It's a bit too much. It's a bit too much for me. I'm, I'm, I'm taking off my Hitchens and Dawkins fedora here for a moment.
00:43:35.760Yeah. And then, and then, and then the matriarch of the Trump family, Elizabeth Christ Trump, she died on June 6, 1966. That's six, six, six, six.
00:44:03.940Yeah. And I don't know what the meaning or origin of that name is, but someone can look it up. But it means trumpeter, right? So I guess if you, it might be a sort of leap of imagination.
00:44:14.900But, uh, during revelation, you know, there are angels that trumpet the apocalypse. So maybe that's related somehow.
00:44:23.280Yeah. Well, I, I, I said this the last, um, I, on Thursday for our last podcast, like it's all about the name. And I, I'm, I'm quoting that, uh, McDonald's film starring Michael Keaton called The Founder, where he said, look, it's about the name McDonald's. It's the first song you ever learned.
00:44:39.440The old McDonald's. It just says America synonymous with America. And so I want a place that everyone inherently loves. They, they loved it since they were a child, even when they didn't know about it.
00:44:51.540It was actually really a brilliant kind of sentiment. And I think with Donald Trump, it's just the name. It's just the name. It, it, it, you don't, he, it, it's, it is as if he was, he were prophesized to be this leader. Just the name Trump, Trump card.
00:45:10.240The name Donald, the name Donald means world leader, right?
00:45:13.960Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. So, so, so Melania, so Melania means dark. Donald means world ruler and Trump means a usurping ace or to beat or to usurp something. Right. Or it could mean to usher in to help to Harold. Right. Right.
00:45:33.380Um, some, some, some more interesting facts about, uh, Trump, uh, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, his mother's name is Mary. Trump's mother's name is Mary. Jesus, his aunt's name is Elizabeth. Trump's aunt's name is Elizabeth.
00:45:47.200Jesus, Jesus, his cousin's cousin's name is John. Trump's cousin's name is John. You've got Christ being a big family name.
00:45:54.720The, the, the, the maid, uh, Trump's the maid shark of the Trump family. Her maiden name is Christ. Um, there's a, there is a lot of really interesting, I believe, uh, symbol, uh, symbolism going on with our character here, Donald Trump, as well as like what seems to be predictive programming surrounding him as well. Uh, I'm not sure if you're familiar with, um, the book by Ingersoll Lockwood, um, uh, Baron Trump's marvelous underground journey.
00:46:24.720Uh, he would later, uh, in 1990, in the 19, in 1900, he wrote the book, the last president. And it involves a, a, a, a, a popular businessman in New York who, uh, runs for president. And, uh, you know, uh, there are riots and stuff against him by the, uh, by a lot of the locals. And, and, uh, it's, it's really interesting to see like it, it, and, you know, there's also that, uh, 1958, uh, TV Western called track down. I don't know if you've seen this,
00:46:53.800but the, uh, the, oh yeah, I posted about this, uh, probably three days ago, three days, four days ago. But, um, yeah, but, uh, but what happens in it is a con man, the episode is called the end of the world. And in the, in the, in the episode, a con man named Trump, uh, comes up to the town and tells them that the world is going to end and that only he can save them by building a wall.
00:47:18.020And it's really eerie. The, obviously the similarities, they have the same name, Trump. They both, they're both claiming that only they can, can save people from imminent doom. Right. Trump has said that, you know, we're, we're not, we're not going to have, the world is going to be blown to pieces. We're not going to have a world, you know, essentially if he, if he doesn't, you know, save us, you know, the world's going to be blown to pieces. And that's exactly what, you know, um, Trump in the 1958, what TV Western said as well,
00:47:46.680by building a wall too, of all things. I thought that was really interesting. Wow. So, so what, who is the Antichrist in, in your view of things? Because I, if you say the word Antichrist to, to the majority of the population, they, they probably think of, you know, a sexual deviant or a Satanist or something.
00:48:10.340Someone dread, you know, uh, uh, what is it? Marilyn Manson or, or, uh, maybe in a lighter form, Robert Smith of the cure, but that's not it. Is it? Because that, you know, even Satan, that that's a very different figure than the Antichrist, um, in the, from the book of Job. So, so who is the, like, what is he going to expand a little bit more on that?
00:48:32.440Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, it's, it's really interesting because as I said earlier, Satan masquerades as an angel of light, you know, a lot of people, you know, if, uh, a lot of people think of Satan as this individual with, you know, horns and, you know, uh, you know, a red skinned individual with horns and a pitchfork, you know, who looks, who looks, just looks like he's up to no good. Right.
00:48:53.440But that's not at all the description that the Bible gives them, you know, uh, it's, it says in Genesis that he was the most beautiful of all God's angels, you know, um, he, uh, the most beautiful and the most powerful and the most wise as well.
00:49:06.700And, um, you know, and, uh, it's, it's, you know, Satan, you know, the, the truth is Satan comes as, you know, everything you've ever wanted. He, you know, if, if most people saw Satan, they'd probably be struck in awe, you know, by, you know, by beauty and, and, and wisdom and all this, these kinds of things. Very different, a very different picture from the Satan that we kind of culturally have inherited, you know, um, but, uh, the Antichrist.
00:49:32.700Is there a distinction? I mean, so these, these are, in your view, these are different figures or are they not?
00:49:38.600Yes. Yes. They are different figures. Yes. Okay. So in the same, in the same way that there is the Holy Trinity, um, I, I, I believe that there is sort of the unholy Trinity, right?
00:49:49.320Where, uh, you know, uh, you have the, the dragon, which is Satan. You have the beast, which is the Antichrist, which is the first beast.
00:49:58.580And then you have the second beast, the beast of the earth, which is the false prophet.
00:50:03.720And, uh, and, and, you know, the, the, this, this makes up, you know, the unholy Trinity.
00:50:09.900And, um, you know, the Antichrist is, is, is a person who is a man, right?
00:50:15.400The Bible makes clear. He's not like some, a lot of people will say, oh, well, you know, the Antichrist can't be human, which, you know, I think the Bible makes it very,
00:50:22.420it's very overtly states that, you know, the, the, the Antichrist is the man of sin, the son of perdition, the lawless one, the wicked one, the lot, you know, the idol shepherd, um, you know, the, the, the, the, the vile one, the man of sin, blah, blah, blah.
00:50:36.440So it's, you know, the Bible is very explicit about it being a, an individual, an individual man.
00:50:42.280And, um, you know, he, uh, the Bible describes him as someone again, who, uh, you know, he is, is very proud.
00:50:51.600He is, he is, he is loud. He is boastful. He speaks great things.
00:50:56.100The Bible literally says that, you know, he shall come speaking great things.
00:51:00.120He should have a mouth of a line, the mouth of a line speaking great things.
00:51:03.640And no one speaks greater things than our man, Donald Trump.
00:51:07.520I mean, you know, everything, everything is great with him, you know, make America great again.
00:51:12.280Uh, you know, this is great. That is great.
00:51:14.160You know, he speaks quite literally speaks many great things as the Bible explicitly says.
00:51:19.880And, you know, um, you know, it says, you know, he'll magnify himself in his heart and, uh, you know, by peace, he shall destroy many.
00:51:28.060And, you know, he fell to see even the elect, if it were possible. Right.
00:51:32.020You know, the, the antichrist is not going to come as someone who's going to appeal to, you know, uh, the, the, the, the, the, the godless degenerate left, right.
00:51:41.160The lgbt, lgbt supporting, you know, uh, uh, pro pro abortion left, right.
00:51:49.120The antichrist, he's not going to be someone who appeals to that.
00:51:52.340He's going to be someone who's going to deceive the elect if it were possible, which means that he's going to be coming as someone who is going to take political positions that are congruent with the, uh, the, the Christian conservative, right.
00:52:07.840Right. And the evangelical, right. And, um, a lot, and I think this is very, very essential to understand because the, I mean, this, I mean, this is a critical, uh, uh, key detail because without understanding this, we have a, we, we have a completely different picture of what the antichrist is.
00:52:27.040Like I have a lot of people like, Oh, the antichrist is Bill Gates or George Soros or, you know, all of these, all of these different kinds of people, you know, um, Fauci.
00:52:38.140Fauci, you know, but, but what Obama is a big one, right. A lot of people say Obama.
00:52:43.020Uh, but, uh, you know, the, the antichrist in the Bible is a very specific person who does very specific things specifically in regards to Israel, um, which, which, um, you know, there's just so much.
00:52:56.980Have you seen the, uh, Trump temple coin that was minted in Jerusalem?
00:53:01.160I, I know of it due to looking at your stuff. Yes.
00:53:06.760Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the Jerusalem minted a coin for, uh, for the third temple in, uh, in Jerusalem. It's called the Trump temple coin. And on it, there is Donald Trump, uh, next to King Cyrus, right. And King Cyrus was the King of Persia who conquered Babylon and allowed the Jews to return home to Israel to build their second temple.
00:53:29.620Right. Now Cyrus, you did it, didn't do it for the Jews. He did it for his, uh, he did it for Persia, his country, but it had the happy side effect of, you know, uh, of freeing the Jews.
00:53:40.900But, um, you know, uh, it's interesting because on the coin, it's got Trump, it's got Cyrus and, um, it says, and he charged me to build him a house, which, which is, you know, the third temple.
00:53:53.620Um, there's a really interesting book called, uh, Donald Trump, the rabbis and the top secret plan to build the third temple by Thomas Horne. Um, that, that is, that is a really interesting read as well. And, um, you know, there's so, there, there's just so much, I mean, there's just so many layers to this.
00:54:11.300Well, let me dilate on this a little bit because so, yeah, I mean, cause so Cyrus is, is not the antichrist, but he's a, he's a different figure. And I think Trump definitely conforms to him. So Cyrus was inspired by Yahweh to some degree. I mean, he, his, his, his actions were, um, but so Cyrus, um, is, is, it's that kind of like indirection or, or unintended concept.
00:54:41.300I guess you could say, which is that he's, despite the fact that he is Persian and, and conquered Babylon and ended the Babylonian captivity is depicted in, in Daniel, et cetera. He's, he's kind of a great man, but an unintentional one.
00:54:55.140And I think Trump definitely adheres to that archetype in so many ways. I mean, if you ask your average New York times reading liberal, like what is, who is Trump and what's the problem with Trump? Is she, you know, she, or he would say, you know, he's a white nationalist. He he's inspired neo-Nazis. He's a far rightist. He wants to end abortion, all this kind of stuff.
00:55:19.040But like, you know, so his intentions are, are even ostensibly at least kind of like antisemitic or, or, or, or pro white, but that's not what ultimately happens. I mean, it's, it's like his most consequential, uh, uh, matters. I don't think are really the tax cuts.
00:55:38.960I think it's, um, and it's not the wall exactly. Uh, it is, uh, the Supreme court judges who are gonna, who have ended Roe v. Wade might lead to the, um, outlawing of abortion. It's possible, um, happening to some degree in, in various States.
00:55:55.300And, uh, and also just that being in his words, the most pro Israel president of ever, um, of moving symbolically moving the, uh, the embassy. I mean, there, there seemed to at least have been, uh, inklings of this. I mean, we, we were very close to a war, uh, against Iran. I mean, the missiles were all but in the air.
00:56:22.520Um, and he did do, you know, do engage in a, a very vicious attack on an Iranian leader. So there he's, I could kind of, uh, you know, looking at this from a secular perspective, I could definitely see him as fulfilling that Cyrus archetype, but maybe, I mean, you're suggesting that there's, there's even more to it, that this is, you know, um, so you, you can, you can go on that.
00:56:51.380Yeah. I believe that there is more to it. I think that there's, I think that I quite literally think that we are witnessing the fulfillment of God's will. And, you know, it's funny because it's funny. Cause a lot of people call me like blue and on, you know, or something like that. They think that, you know, I'm, I'm, I'm in no, I'm by no means a liberal or I've never been a Democrat. I've never supported, you know, any kind of Democrat policy or anything like that. So to call me, I get that impression. Yeah.
00:57:19.220Yeah. You know, I'm, I'm very staunchly on the right. Very, very staunchly. Um, you know, I was really into, um, a lot of the, the further right kind of stuff actually for a very long time. Um, and, uh, I've actually, I've actually, I've actually known about you for, for probably, probably since 2016. I think the first time I heard about you was the, uh, that, that video that went viral. Uh, you probably know which one I'm talking about with Trump.
00:57:47.200Oh, the hail, hail Trump. Yeah. I mean, yeah. I played my own kind of weird little role in this prophecy in a way.
00:57:58.100Yeah. And, and, and kind of, um, yeah. Uh, you know, ushering him, uh, you know, giving Trump this, maybe putting a mask on Trump in a way of, you know, oh, you know, he's getting this adulation from these, you know, far rightists.
00:58:13.320Um, but I, uh, I, I definitely recognize this even in 2018. I certainly recognize it now that all of that adulation was ultimately false. So it was like, I was deceived as well. And I was playing a role in a drama that I did not support, but, um.
00:58:36.020Yeah. Yeah. I would say the same thing about me. It's like, you know, I played a very big role in this plot that I didn't quite in this, in this, in this story that I didn't quite understand the plot to yet.
00:58:47.100And I think that's what most of, most of what's going on is I, I, you know, you, you've got interesting, like you, uh, you've got people like, um, Wayne Allen Root and, and, you know, people who are just making these big messianic claims and they don't, I don't even think they really realize what they're doing.
00:59:04.040I think that they're just kind of, I think that there are just spiritual forces at work that are ultimately leading, you know, people into, you know, this, this, this story. I mean, it's the greatest story ever told God wrote it.
00:59:16.640I mean, you know, and, and whether we, and whether we know it or not, we are all playing a role. We all have a role to play in it. And, uh, and most people don't really understand this. And, um, you know, it's, it's, it's just really funny because it's like, you know, uh, Christians have been talking and warning about the antichrist for years and years and years.
00:59:39.660And then when he finally comes, they completely embrace him, you know, it's, it's, it's almost, it's, it's such, it's such an ironic twist, you know, it's like, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's so it's, it's almost beautiful in a way.
00:59:54.580So what do you think might, I guess I have two questions and this is the first one. So what do you think we're going to see in, in the upcoming year?
01:00:05.900I mean, I, I think that the, the notion that Trump is being figuratively crucified, I, I think is clear to everyone. I mean, he, he is, whether he's, whether this is justified or legitimate. I mean, I, I, I, yeah, I, we don't even have to go into it. I think it is, but, you know, he's clearly being prosecuted and, and persecuted.
01:00:30.220Um, so what, how, how, how do you see this drama unfolding over the next year or so?
01:00:38.040So I, I believe that, uh, we're going to see this persecution ramp up. We're going to see the talks of, uh, him being this messianic figure ramp up dramatically. Um, like I said earlier, I, I think we may see one more indictment, one more indictment to, uh, symbolize the four nails used to crucify Jesus.
01:01:00.440Um, I think that, um, what's people, uh, you know, people are going to get more and more fed up with how Trump is being treated because he is, you know, uh, seen by a lot of the evangelicals as the sacrificial lamb who kind of is, you know, laid out in his life.
01:01:18.620You know, I see this meme all the time about, you know, Trump had such a perfect life. He didn't have to do this. You know, he sacrificed his life for us. Right. Which is a very interesting theme that it plays so well with the messianic arc of Jesus, you know, him laying down his life, you know, for, for us, you know, dying for us.
01:01:38.040And then, you know, I see the meme floating around all the time, you know, they're not really after me. They're after you. I'm just in the way. I think Trump actually just recently shared that, you know, and he's, and he's, he's literally being, um, he's literally being made into a martyr.
01:01:53.460He's literally being made into the sacrificial lamb on our behalf, like Jesus was. And I think we're going to see these themes keep playing out and playing out, um, until eventually I, I, I truly believe that Donald Trump will return to power. It might not be through the election. It might not be through the presidency. I don't know. I, I, I truly don't know how, but I believe that Donald Trump will return to power.
01:02:20.280He said, he said, I think his last day of office, he said, we will be back in some form. Right. So, you know, a lot of people say, oh, is Trump going to win the election? I don't know if Trump's going to win the election. Right. He may win the election. He may not win the election. A lot of the election fraud stuff, you know, has not really been addressed. You know what I mean?
01:02:37.560I think that, uh, there's going to be, I think that there's a big, uh, uh, uh, story arc, uh, that's going to happen with this election fraud stuff. I think we're going to see, you know, that kind of, uh, uh, part of the plot play out more, you know, I don't think we've seen the last of that plot plot point, you know, uh, the election fraud and, you know, him, him having the election stolen and all this. I think we're going to see that, uh, ramp up in some way.
01:03:02.760And, uh, you know, essentially, you know, Trump is going to be, it's going to be made, you know, the, the, the guy that the deep state, you know, is trying to get rid of so that they can enslave humanity. Um, which by the way, it fits very well with kind of a Gnostic framework, which goes into the great awakening. Uh, I'm sure you've probably heard of, you know, a lot of people talk about this great awakening, this great global awakening that's happening.
01:03:30.020And it's really interesting because, you know, the, uh, the, uh, the occult has been talking about this, uh, spiritual, uh, humanity's spiritual awakening for quite literally centuries. And, um, you know, if you read the work of like, uh, Helena Blavatsky or Alice Bailey, you know, um, you know, the occult has always been about humanity, uh, destroying tyranny and reaching a new age, which is, which is literally where the term comes from.
01:03:59.760New age. Uh, and what it is, it's a counterfeits of, of the true new age of Christ and the millennial kingdom, but it's a Luciferian version of that, where we bring the kingdom of God to earth.
01:04:12.400And, uh, you know, Alice Bailey has a quote saying that people are no longer interested in a, uh, in, uh, in, uh, in a, in a spiritual heaven and hell, you know, people, people want heaven on earth now, you know, and, and they, and they want, and, you know, and that's, and that's exactly what it's always been about.
01:04:32.140It's about bringing heaven to earth, this, this counterfeit, this counterfeit kingdom. And, uh, you know, I, uh, I don't know, I'm not sure if you're familiar with, uh, Marina Abramovic.
01:04:43.860Yes, I'm, I'm one degree of separation from her actually.
01:04:52.000Okay. Okay. Interesting. Very interesting. So I'm, I'm fascinated by her, by the way.
01:04:56.980I've never met her. I've never met her, but I, yes.
01:04:59.320Okay. Okay. Gotcha. Gotcha. Gotcha. So she, have you seen the clip of her talking during an interview and she says that she spoke to a group of shamans in Loplin and what these shamans do is they get together and they do something called collective dreaming.
01:05:14.860And what that is, is they get together and they all have the same dream and, you know, whatever.
01:05:19.900And she said that, uh, she said that one of the shamans got, you know, that she talked to said to her that the best thing to happen in this world was for Trump to be the president.
01:05:30.220And she said, you know what, like, what do you mean? How is this possible? And she said that the shaman said to her that Trump is so irrational. He's so crazy that he's actually going to bring about an awakening.
01:05:44.020He's actually going to, he's actually the, uh, a magician of the highest order who is going to bring a worldwide awakening.
01:05:53.580And, uh, I find that very fascinating that she said that because that goes right alongside with what I've been saying about, you know, Trump being this, you know, the messianic chosen one, the Luciferian chosen one, who is going to destroy tyranny.
01:06:08.980Who's going to, who's going to first, uh, you know, awaken the masses to the, to, to, to the tyranny and to all the conspiracy theory.
01:06:16.780Because if you think about it, conspiracy theory has really gone mainstream at, uh, at this point in time.
01:06:23.120Yes. And, and, and, and, and it's, it's, and I believe it's like this completely by design.
01:06:28.180I don't think, I don't think it's an accident that, you know, conspiracy theory is as mainstream as it is.
01:06:33.920I think that what's happening right now is that these things are being, the obvious evil is being revealed and exposed, right?
01:06:43.240The darkness, so to speak, so that we can be brought into the light, right?
01:06:47.540Which is a, which is a false counterfeit light, the false light.
01:06:50.960You see, uh, you know, Q talk about from, from dark, you know, dark to light.
01:06:55.400It's actually a very, uh, Masonic phrase, dark, uh, from darkness to light.
01:07:00.300Uh, I posted, uh, the, the Masonic arts that has that, uh, that has that, uh, written on it from darkness to light.
01:07:08.880And, um, I think that's what this great awakening is.
01:07:12.600I think what it is, is introducing humanity, initiating humanity into the, uh, mystery school, into the mystery school teachings, uh, through this awakening, through destroying tyranny.
01:07:26.840And, you know, bringing darkness to light, so to speak.
01:07:30.800And I think Trump is their St. Germain, uh, who they, which a lot of new agers actually argue that Trump is the reincarnation of St. Germain.
01:07:41.160And St. Germain is said in, uh, a lot of, uh, new age circles to be the one who will herald the, uh, the new age of Aquarius.
01:07:48.800It's funny, actually, when, uh, Trump won his, uh, won the presidency in 2016, uh, him and Melania came out to the song, this is the age of Aquarius.
01:08:04.620Yeah, it's, it's, it's, you know, it's, it's really interesting watching this all play out.
01:08:09.240You know, you've got a lot of these new age types who are saying, you know, Donald Trump is, you know, going to be the one who is going to bring about, you know, he's going to destroy the deep state.
01:08:18.700And that's what Trump has been saying, like very overtly too.
01:08:21.280He is going to destroy the deep state, you know, uh, Don, uh, what's his name?
01:08:25.280Don Kim, Don King or something like that, that black guy.
01:08:28.320He said, uh, he said, he said, let's get rid of this system and Trump's the man to do it.
01:08:36.740It's about, you know, destroying the old order and bringing about the new order from its ashes, like the rising Phoenix from darkness to light order out of chaos.
01:08:46.680You know, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's really fascinating to see how deep this all really goes.
01:08:53.200Well, do you think he might, you know, he's presenting himself as a kind of peacemaker with Russia, but he's also said, you know, oh, I'll, I'll nuke Moscow.
01:09:04.120If he ever tries anything there, there's a kind of like bellicose and Pacific motive going on at the same time.
01:09:11.560I mean, do you, do you, do you think that is how it might play out or do you, do you think like the Q prophecy would play out in the sense of frog marching, uh, a bunch of bureaucrats and politicians on Pennsylvania Avenue?
01:09:24.120I mean, what, or, or, or, or am I missing, or is that too obvious in a way?
01:09:28.080Like what, how do you have any inkling of what's going on?
01:09:31.840I think, I think there's a lot of Koreans to both of what you're saying.
01:09:34.960I think it's really interesting also that if you listen to a lot of the rhetoric that Putin has been saying, I mean, it's very in line with a lot of the, uh, great awakening Q crowd, you know, uh, you know, uh, he's all, Putin is always talking about, you know, uh, how Satan is in control in the West.
01:09:51.880And, you know, he's always, you know, saying all these same great awakening talking points, you know, I think that, uh, it's, you know, I think it's very possible that, uh, there will be some sort of alliance possibly.
01:10:04.540Um, I'm not really sure exactly how all that will play out.
01:10:07.820I can't say for sure, but I know that I, I do believe that Trump in some way is going to, you know, bring about this, uh, age of peace.
01:10:18.780And the reason he does this is because in Micah, uh, the book of Micah, it talks about how in the millennial kingdom nations shall not lift finger against another nation.
01:10:29.200And, uh, you know, that's exactly what the same thing that, uh, the antichrist is going for, right?
01:10:35.180He wants to be a counterfeit Christ with a counterfeit kingdom.
01:10:37.820He is going, he's going to want to bring this worldwide peace and the world is going to wonder.
01:10:42.820And, uh, you know, uh, I, I think that, uh, when Trump returns, I think we're going to see him expand the Abraham Accords, which by the way, is very interesting by itself.
01:10:54.720Um, he wanted to name the Abraham Accords, the Trump Accords.
01:10:57.840Uh, Abraham is a, is a typology of Christ in scripture.
01:11:02.120Um, you know, uh, the, uh, the, yeah, I, I, you know, it's funny, uh, Trump has actually been trying to be the peace negotiator in the, between the Israelis and Palestinians for over 40 years.
01:11:18.800There was a picture taken by William Coupon in 1983 of Trump holding it dubbed.
01:11:24.540And in it, you know, it's, uh, it says that, you know, uh, Trump did that, uh, because he was promoting, he was trying to promote himself as, uh, to be the peace negotiator between the Israelis and Palestinians.
01:11:37.300And that's exactly the role of the antichrist, you know, to, to, to bring peace to the Middle East.
01:11:42.160So it's interesting, like how long it seems like this has all been trying to, he, he, he's really been trying to do this, you know, and I, I don't think, I don't think he realizes that he's the biblical antichrist.
01:12:01.240And that there's people in his corner, specifically like Jared Kushner, who are wanting him to fulfill the messianic prophecies for the Jewish people in Israel.
01:12:10.000And I think everything is lining up almost too perfectly.
01:12:14.420I mean, I mean, everything is really lining up so, so crazy.
01:12:20.640Well, this, this brings up a question of mine.
01:12:23.320So, uh, in, in one of the trailers for the latest Indiana Jones movie, um, which I actually, I'm the one person who actually liked that film, but that is neither here nor there.
01:12:36.200Um, there was a good line, uh, by Harrison Ford and he said, you know, um, uh, you know, I've learned at some point that it's not just what you believe, but how hard you believe it.
01:12:47.520And what he was getting at is kind of like the, is it prophecy or are you willing a prophecy into existence?
01:12:59.780And, and in some ways there's no real distinction to be made.
01:13:04.880Um, now, obviously Indiana Jones movies have some, some magic involved in them, but at the, maybe at the heart of them, it's about people believing in these prophecies so hard that they themselves bring it about.
01:13:23.920I mean, so I guess what I would, what I would suggest, suggest is that one understanding of, of what you've put forward here today, it, you could remain a secular, you know, science atheist type.
01:13:39.100And, and, and, and still conclude that everything you say is correct in the sense that there are people, you know, in this world who believe this and Trump is someone, you know, the, the Kushner thing has been, you know, is it kind of a meme in the alt right, but, or, or the, the right in general, but it's a, it's a meme for a reason.
01:14:02.220It's that, it's that, who is this character?
01:14:05.580Um, why does he have, why is he overseeing everything from the, you know, the peace in the middle East to immigration and I, the, the vaccine, I can't even remember what he was up to.
01:14:16.920So there, and, and this is someone who has an Orthodox background.
01:14:21.400So it's kind of like, is, might there be actors, whether it's real or not, whether, whether God exists or not, I'll, I'll leave that to, to, to each person to decide.
01:14:31.800But, but like, might there be people who are there, you know, the, the best explanation for their actions is that they are manipulating the world to fulfill a prophecy.
01:14:45.780And so what, what, what do you think about that type of explanation?
01:14:51.980Uh, it's, it, it reminds me of the conversation that I have with Adam Green, actually, because as you probably know, Adam Green does not believe, uh, he's not a Christian.
01:15:00.300He doesn't believe that, that these are, you know, prophecies being fulfilled.
01:15:04.060Although, although, you know, he said that, you know, uh, it's, it's, it's, it's very, it's very easy to see why, you know, uh, when, when looking at all the evidence that I've laid forth, but, you know, he, you know, he said like, you know, couldn't, couldn't this just be, you know, men, you know, human beings who are, you know, uh, uh, putting all this together, all of these things together to, as, as to make these prophecies come alive.
01:15:29.680And, and, and, and, you know, fulfill these prophecies.
01:15:32.040And it's like, yeah, I, I do believe that, uh, you know, there are many men who are, you know, doing things in order to fulfill these, these, these prophecies.
01:15:40.740But like, when you get into a lot of the really esoteric, uh, connections, like when you went, like, like, uh, I'm not, I'm not suggesting that you do this, but when you really, if you really wanted to sit down and look at like the, the, the numerology and the astrology of it.
01:15:59.220I mean, you know, Trump, like, for example, Trump was born June 14th in 1946.
01:16:04.920He was born on, he was born on a, uh, under a total lunar eclipse, a blood moon, right?
01:16:11.640It was the first blood moon after the, uh, 1946 Babylon working rituals, which, uh, you know, is a whole nother rabbit hole.
01:16:20.280Um, he was born exactly, uh, he, he became president exactly 70 years, seven months and seven days after his birth.
01:16:29.220Uh, he was born exactly 700 days before Israel.
01:16:33.580He would move the embassy to Jerusalem, uh, on, uh, Israel's 70th year anniversary since its founding.
01:16:41.520Um, there is, uh, there is, I mean, I have entire threads.
01:16:45.820I mean, and then you look at the planetary alignments.
01:16:47.900I mean, there's a lot of threads that I have.
01:16:50.680I mean, just detailing how meticulous, I mean, uh, this would have to, a lot of this stuff would have to be.
01:16:57.760And I, you know, I've made the case that I don't think a human being or a group of human beings are even capable of a lot of these really, really deep, like numerological astrological alignments, you know, that, that accompany all of these things.
01:17:15.920I truly believe that there are spiritual forces at work here.
01:17:20.820I don't think human beings are really meticulous enough to be able to, uh, make everything align in such a way.
01:17:29.700I, I truly believe this is a spiritual phenomena going on and that men are just playing their parts in all of this.
01:17:38.440Well, yeah, I mean, I, I can see that.
01:17:40.420I mean, and in some ways there's no distinction to be made or it's a distinction or other difference.
01:17:45.100I mean, I'm reminded of thinking about, um, January 6th where there, you know, so much of the motive of the QAnon movement was trust the plan that, that is be passive.
01:17:57.860You know, you don't have to do anything, just, just follow along, look at the signs and Trump's, you know, God is taken care of.
01:18:05.720And there was a moment, you know, on January 6th where being passive transfigured itself into being willful.
01:18:14.760And so all of these people, you know, it's like they, they heard about the storm and, and there was a, I guess, an element of like, well, if you, if you don't do it, I'll do it myself.
01:18:27.420If you don't help me now, Jabu, I do it myself.
01:18:31.740It, there was a, there was an element of that to it of, of like, we are the storm.
01:18:36.160In fact, all of, it's not about being passive.
01:18:39.240We are part of this and, you know, Ashley Babbitt's last, um, uh, her last moment on video, at least was, was quoting Q.
01:18:49.080And so it was, it was like the, the prophecy was put there and then she became the prophecy in her own kind of terrible way.
01:18:58.600So I, so in a way there's, there's no distinction, you know, it's like we, you know, whether, whether it's real or not, or whether people are willfully making it happen, it's, it's happening in this way.
01:19:17.080And, um, it goes back to what me and Adam were talking about, like, you know, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's either, you know, that, uh, you know, that people, people in high places are, are getting, are doing it.
01:19:29.600But there's also, like you said, an element of, you know, people kind of fulfilling these things, you know, and, and playing their role in a very, uh, you know, in a very interesting way, like kind of like Ashley Babbitt, how like, you know, she kind of played her role in it.