RadixJournal - The Unnecessary Podcast

00:00:00.000 If we don't think people are important, then what do we think is important?

00:00:03.700 I guess that's what I'm saying.

00:00:04.680 It's not necessarily that we don't think people are important,

00:00:06.820 but if evolution is real, and if there is this constant...

00:00:10.440 Is it real?

00:00:11.120 I don't know.

00:00:12.180 But it's visible.

00:00:14.740 Like, you can measure it in certain animals.

00:00:17.360 You can measure adaptation.

00:00:18.760 Yeah.

00:00:19.160 But there's no evidence that evolution...

00:00:20.660 In fact, I think we've kind of given up on the idea of evolution.

00:00:22.920 The theory of evolution as articulated by Darwin is, like, kind of not true.

00:00:26.440 In what sense?

00:00:27.280 Well, in the most basic sense, the idea that, you know,

00:00:31.840 all life emerged from a single cell organism, and over time,

00:00:36.440 and there would be a fossil record of that, and there's not.

00:00:38.840 There's not a fossil record of transitionary species,

00:00:42.920 like species that are adapting to its environment?

00:00:44.920 There's tons of record of adaptation, and you see it in your own life.

00:00:49.500 I mean, I have a lot of dogs.

00:00:50.520 I see adaptation in dogs, you know, through the...

00:00:52.740 Sure.

00:00:54.880 Litter to litter.

00:00:55.620 But, no, there's no evidence at all that, none, zero, that...

00:01:01.440 None, zero.

00:01:02.240 ...people, you know, evolve seamlessly from a single cell amoeba.

00:01:06.660 No, there's not.

00:01:07.520 There's not.

00:01:07.980 There's no chain in the fossil record of that at all.

00:01:10.500 And that's why you don't actually hear people...

00:01:12.640 You hear them make reference to evolution,

00:01:14.580 because the theory of adaptation is clearly, obviously, true.

00:01:18.660 But Darwin's theory is totally...

00:01:21.460 That's why it's still a theory.

00:01:22.420 This is so damaging.

00:01:25.660 Yeah, it's incredible.

00:01:26.880 Something like this.

00:01:28.040 Yeah, just how far Tucker Carlson has degenerated over the past few years,

00:01:33.460 because there was a time when he was on Fox News,

00:01:36.600 when he could...

00:01:37.700 When one could make an argument that he was actually changing some paradigm

00:01:40.720 and mentioning the Great Replacement on Fox News.

00:01:43.980 But, yeah, now he's just, you know, engaged in, you know,

00:01:47.660 as Vince Dow says, he's interviewing the Tate brothers and Kevin Spacey.

00:01:53.780 And he's just coming now to, you know, World War II revisionism,

00:01:59.480 which I saw you tweet about,

00:02:01.640 and acting like it's this brand new thing that he's just discovered.

00:02:04.900 Yeah.

00:02:05.260 World War II was a war on us Catholics.

00:02:07.400 Well, that's like Candace Oates.

00:02:10.000 Yeah, but I guess this is what I was going to say,

00:02:12.100 is that, like, I mean, I'm ambivalent about the whole phenomenon,

00:02:17.180 and there are multiple layers to it,

00:02:20.520 but the type of thinking exemplified just in this clip,

00:02:27.200 which has this version of it has been viewed 750,000 times,

00:02:35.100 and I'm sure it's the actual people who are affected by it are in the millions.

00:02:39.860 Like, it's so damaging that it makes everything else wash away.

00:02:46.620 I can be forgiving, or, like, everyone has weird, wrong opinions or whatever,

00:02:51.520 but, like, this is so bad that it just makes me reject every single thing about him.

00:03:00.660 Right.

00:03:01.240 Like, if someone had come out and said,

00:03:02.780 I don't think we come from monkeys,

00:03:04.720 you could say, eh, maybe not.

00:03:06.560 That's not a big deal.

00:03:08.100 But he's coming out and smugly saying,

00:03:10.200 oh, Darwin, he was like this evil liar.

00:03:12.560 No one believes this anymore.

00:03:14.680 Yeah.

00:03:14.940 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:15.480 That is actually, I'm actually so angry about the smugness now.

00:03:19.340 It's, like, boiling inside of me.

00:03:21.060 Because even if you disagree with this theory,

00:03:23.180 like, Darwin was this explorer who went on a weak wooden little boat

00:03:27.840 and sailed out to the edge of the world,

00:03:30.640 and after years of examining thousands of animals,

00:03:33.540 he wrote a book about his theories.

00:03:35.280 I don't know why he's like,

00:03:36.500 well, the theory of adaption is obvious.

00:03:38.720 We all know.

00:03:39.280 I mean, that is Darwin.

00:03:41.900 Yeah, that's what Darwin's theory was, you dumb motherfucker.

00:03:43.220 Exactly.

00:03:44.080 That is what he brought to the world, fundamentally.

00:03:48.060 Like, that was the breakthrough.

00:03:50.620 And so it's like, no one trusts Darwin anymore

00:03:53.780 while you're asserting this thing that he,

00:03:56.900 that was the, his breakthrough thesis

00:04:00.460 that was rejected by much of the world.

00:04:06.280 Tucker Carlson.

00:04:07.440 Yeah, the Tucker Carlson's of the world rejected it vehemently.

00:04:12.060 And the fact that you're just like,

00:04:14.080 oh, we all know this now.

00:04:15.060 It's just, it is, I don't know.

00:04:16.960 It's, it's just, it's like fucking immoral.

00:04:20.200 It triggers me.

00:04:21.280 It really fucking bothers me when people think like this.

00:04:28.540 Yeah.

00:04:29.100 And the fact that he says things that are this insane,

00:04:31.420 just kind of, like you said,

00:04:32.620 delegitimizes everything else that he's ever said,

00:04:35.260 including the, as the explore tab says on the right,

00:04:38.720 Tucker Carlson platforms.

00:04:40.000 Well, I was thinking about watching this.

00:04:42.700 So I took a walk.

00:04:44.360 Yes.

00:04:44.680 It's so funny.

00:04:45.840 Whenever I talk about this stuff,

00:04:47.060 I was like, I walked the dog.

00:04:48.440 I, I walked into town to get lunch.

00:04:52.320 But, you know, I do have my headphones on often.

00:04:56.800 And I, I try to multitask, get a little exercise.

00:05:02.620 While I was, I ran a mile.

00:05:05.000 I just, I did a hard mile run on the track

00:05:08.240 while listening to the Red Sox blowing it once again.

00:05:14.340 So sad.

00:05:15.560 So sad.

00:05:18.820 Terrible.

00:05:20.460 These are horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible, horrible people.

00:05:26.140 But I mean, yeah,

00:05:27.080 when you take a walk through the garden of life,

00:05:29.000 some truths become so obvious.

00:05:30.820 Yeah.

00:05:31.840 But I, when I walked into town,

00:05:34.040 I, I was listening to the,

00:05:38.500 I got into about 35 minutes of

00:05:42.040 Tucker Carlson's interview with Martyr Maid,

00:05:46.440 who's this guy who I don't,

00:05:48.200 I've never done anything to him,

00:05:50.080 but he clearly hates me.

00:05:51.400 The few times I've kind of like jabbed at him,

00:05:54.280 he has responded like with utter vehemence.

00:05:58.460 So it's interesting.

00:06:01.900 He, I think, came onto the scene

00:06:04.620 for doing this sort of explainer.

00:06:08.720 Let me actually just play this.

00:06:13.360 I think I've had discussions

00:06:15.160 with enough boomer tier Trump supporters

00:06:17.220 who believe in the 20,

00:06:18.720 believe the 2020 election was fraudulent

00:06:20.860 to extract a general theory about their perspective.

00:06:24.100 Okay.

00:06:24.460 So he's just talking to a bunch of boomers

00:06:26.500 and he's going to explain them to us.

00:06:29.720 Most believe some or all of the theories

00:06:32.800 involving midnight ballots, voting machines.

00:06:35.360 But what you find when you talk to them

00:06:37.640 is that while they'll defend those positions

00:06:39.800 with info they got from Hannity or Breitbart

00:06:41.960 or whatever,

00:06:42.740 they're not particularly attached to them.

00:06:45.280 I think that's true.

00:06:46.860 Here are the facts,

00:06:48.140 actual confirmed facts

00:06:49.360 that shape their perspective.

00:06:50.640 The FBI spied on the 2016 election.

00:06:53.460 Okay.

00:06:54.180 These are Tea Party people,

00:06:55.700 the types who give their kids

00:06:57.100 a pocket constitution for their birthday

00:06:59.120 and have founding father memes in their bias.

00:07:01.540 They're just so good.

00:07:02.440 The intel community spying

00:07:04.100 on a presidential campaign

00:07:05.400 using fake evidence.

00:07:07.020 This is a big deal to them.

00:07:09.020 These guys care about the country

00:07:10.480 more than most.

00:07:13.400 Everyone involved lied about their involvement

00:07:15.340 as long as they could.

00:07:17.480 This was true with everyone

00:07:18.780 from CIA director of Britain.

00:07:20.580 I don't know.

00:07:21.680 Like,

00:07:22.720 should the intelligence agencies

00:07:24.640 not investigate someone

00:07:26.420 with ties to Russia

00:07:28.120 who's becoming president?

00:07:30.940 That's like,

00:07:31.360 that's going against the secret.

00:07:33.260 If they're patriots

00:07:35.000 who give their children

00:07:35.780 pocket constitutions,

00:07:37.100 I mean,

00:07:37.400 I guess not.

00:07:38.480 Yeah.

00:07:38.900 We know as a fact

00:07:40.140 the Steele dossier

00:07:41.220 was the sole evidence

00:07:42.580 used to justify

00:07:43.440 spying in the Trump campaign.

00:07:44.740 The FBI knew

00:07:45.480 the Steele dossier

00:07:46.340 was a DNC op.

00:07:48.640 Doesn't mean it's wrong.

00:07:50.960 I'm not positive

00:07:52.280 that the Steele dossier

00:07:53.260 is wrong.

00:07:54.220 I think it's probably

00:07:55.160 mostly correct,

00:07:56.580 to be frank.

00:07:58.860 Like,

00:07:59.400 how dare you question

00:08:00.960 Trump's patriotism?

00:08:04.520 Okay,

00:08:05.320 they could have managed

00:08:06.460 the shock

00:08:07.160 if it only involved

00:08:08.480 the government,

00:08:09.000 but the behavior

00:08:10.160 of the corporate press

00:08:11.340 is really what

00:08:12.140 radicalized them.

00:08:13.840 Oh my God,

00:08:14.420 the media might be

00:08:15.520 in on it too.

00:08:16.340 That's just radicalizing me

00:08:18.340 to believe more

00:08:19.600 stupid conspiracy theories.

00:08:22.100 I don't know.

00:08:23.060 I don't want to go through

00:08:24.260 the whole thing.

00:08:25.120 It's just...

00:08:25.680 Yeah.

00:08:25.920 Or it's like the people

00:08:27.760 who are like,

00:08:29.000 oh, look,

00:08:29.580 the Lancet is using

00:08:30.940 gender-neutral pronouns

00:08:32.340 or using the birthing

00:08:33.740 person term

00:08:35.100 in its papers.

00:08:36.120 So like,

00:08:36.440 what else are they lying about?

00:08:38.360 Evolution?

00:08:40.040 You know,

00:08:40.380 it's just this

00:08:41.180 non-fucking sequitur.

00:08:44.020 My frenemy,

00:08:47.480 Leah McElroy,

00:08:48.640 this thread is filled

00:08:50.100 with lies.

00:08:53.680 Okay,

00:08:54.660 it's true.

00:08:55.920 It's not even lies.

00:08:57.900 It's filled with half-truths

00:08:59.380 is the problem.

00:09:00.000 Half-truths

00:09:00.740 are worse than lies.

00:09:02.560 That's the thing.

00:09:03.980 All right.

00:09:04.380 So this is seven minutes.

00:09:05.460 Let's read a little bit of it.

00:09:06.340 ...caster called Daryl Cooper

00:09:07.480 wrote a remarkable series

00:09:08.780 of tweets

00:09:09.500 in which he tried to explain

00:09:11.060 why so many Trump voters

00:09:12.200 believe the last election

00:09:13.520 was rigged.

00:09:15.440 Really smart.

00:09:16.260 He crystallized it.

00:09:17.100 We'd like to read

00:09:17.680 some of it now.

00:09:18.520 So smart.

00:09:19.440 Here are the facts,

00:09:20.300 actual confirmed facts

00:09:21.820 that shaped the perspective

00:09:22.940 of Trump voters.

00:09:23.720 The FBI spied

00:09:25.380 on the 2016 Trump campaign

00:09:27.340 using evidence

00:09:28.120 manufactured by

00:09:29.020 the Clinton campaign.

00:09:30.640 We now know

00:09:31.180 that all involved

00:09:32.160 knew it was fake

00:09:33.240 from day one.

00:09:34.240 The voters this was aimed at

00:09:35.620 are Tea Party people,

00:09:36.700 the type who give their kids

00:09:37.660 a pocket constitution

00:09:38.600 for their birthday

00:09:39.440 and have founding fathers

00:09:40.860 memes in their bios.

00:09:42.780 The intel community

00:09:43.720 spying on a presidential campaign

00:09:45.420 using fake evidence,

00:09:46.640 including forged documents,

00:09:48.020 is a big deal to them.

00:09:49.900 Trump supporters know

00:09:51.180 the collusion case

00:09:52.100 front and back.

00:09:52.940 They went from

00:09:53.480 worrying the collusion

00:09:54.280 must be real

00:09:55.100 to suspecting

00:09:56.100 it might be fake

00:09:56.940 to realizing

00:09:57.860 it was a scam

00:09:58.840 and then watched

00:09:59.960 as every institution,

00:10:01.300 the intel agencies,

00:10:02.340 the press, Congress.

00:10:03.580 Notice also how they,

00:10:05.940 he's always giving

00:10:07.620 the benefit of the doubt

00:10:08.780 to like boomer tear gons.

00:10:10.640 They're like,

00:10:11.080 I'm really worried

00:10:12.660 about the Russia collusion thing,

00:10:14.520 but now I realize

00:10:15.980 that it was like,

00:10:16.520 like, no, no,

00:10:19.300 that was not their response.

00:10:23.000 Yeah.

00:10:23.680 And people who had

00:10:24.900 founding fathers memes

00:10:27.240 in their Twitter bios,

00:10:29.020 maybe they should be shot.

00:10:31.360 Yeah.

00:10:32.480 Just made into chicken bake.

00:10:36.640 Long fed

00:10:37.680 and fed to the Costco family.

00:10:40.120 Yeah.

00:10:41.360 Forced to work

00:10:42.340 on the Kirkland plantations.

00:10:44.060 Gaslit them

00:10:49.060 for another year.

00:10:50.640 Worse,

00:10:51.200 collusion was used

00:10:51.880 to scare away good people

00:10:53.080 from working

00:10:53.560 in the Trump administration.

00:10:54.940 They knew their entire lives

00:10:56.000 would be investigated.

00:10:57.320 Many quit

00:10:57.840 because they were being

00:10:58.620 bankrupted by legal fees.

00:11:00.640 The DOJ,

00:11:01.360 the press,

00:11:01.840 and the government

00:11:02.360 destroyed lives

00:11:03.400 and actively subverted

00:11:04.880 an elected administration.

00:11:07.020 This is where people

00:11:08.100 whose political identity

00:11:09.080 was largely defined

00:11:10.100 by a naive belief

00:11:11.220 in what they learned

00:11:11.800 in civics class

00:11:12.740 began to see

00:11:13.920 the outline

00:11:14.660 of a regime

00:11:15.240 that had crossed

00:11:15.980 all institutional boundaries.

00:11:18.320 That regime

00:11:18.880 stepped out of the shadows

00:11:20.040 to unite against

00:11:21.160 an interloper,

00:11:21.960 Donald Trump.

00:11:23.380 A lot of Trump supporters

00:11:24.540 understand this regime

00:11:25.740 is not partisan.

00:11:27.420 They know

00:11:27.900 that the same institutions

00:11:29.100 would have taken

00:11:29.620 opposite sides

00:11:30.780 if it was a Tulsi Gabbard

00:11:32.380 versus Jeb Bush election.

00:11:34.800 It's hard to describe

00:11:35.880 to people on the left

00:11:36.880 how shocking

00:11:37.640 and...

00:11:38.140 that's fascinating

00:11:39.160 knowing what Tulsi...

00:11:41.080 where Tulsi is now.

00:11:42.320 I mean...

00:11:42.960 I think he is saying

00:11:43.760 that the Republicans

00:11:44.540 would have...

00:11:45.520 that Trump supporters

00:11:46.360 would have supported

00:11:47.000 Tulsi Gabbard

00:11:47.960 rather than support

00:11:49.380 Jeb Bush.

00:11:50.800 Oh, that's what he's saying.

00:11:52.620 Yeah.

00:11:54.560 Yeah.

00:11:55.600 They're...

00:11:56.280 They're the good ones.

00:11:57.460 Yeah.

00:11:57.580 It's one of the good ones.

00:11:58.600 Yeah.

00:11:59.000 Yeah.

00:11:59.260 The idea that the press

00:12:22.880 is driven by ratings

00:12:23.880 and sensationalism

00:12:25.020 became untenable.

00:12:26.440 If that were true,

00:12:27.460 they'd be all over

00:12:28.260 the Epstein story.

00:12:29.260 But they're not.

00:12:31.060 The corporate press

00:12:31.980 is the propaganda arm

00:12:33.240 of the regime.

00:12:34.580 Nothing anyone says

00:12:35.800 will ever make them

00:12:36.920 unsee that.

00:12:38.120 Period.

00:12:39.560 This is profoundly disorienting.

00:12:41.780 They feel betrayed

00:12:43.580 by the New York Times.

00:12:47.180 Like, they're just dying

00:12:48.900 to believe the New York Times.

00:12:52.960 It's just...

00:12:54.760 What do you think it is

00:12:58.740 with these people?

00:12:59.340 They're just so, like,

00:13:00.940 terrified of offending

00:13:02.720 their boomer uncle.

00:13:05.400 Basically.

00:13:08.800 I just...

00:13:09.800 Because their boomer uncle

00:13:10.980 writes the checks.

00:13:12.480 Yeah.

00:13:12.780 Their boomer uncle

00:13:13.440 writes the checks

00:13:14.340 or their boomer uncle

00:13:16.360 is going to elect

00:13:17.420 their base Trump officials.

00:13:19.400 Their base Trump to office.

00:13:20.920 So they got to...

00:13:23.980 Yeah, they can't

00:13:24.780 piss him off.

00:13:26.640 Oh.

00:13:28.060 It's...

00:13:28.580 It's unbelievable.

00:13:29.700 Yeah.

00:13:30.020 The Epstein story...

00:13:31.980 But they're not.

00:13:33.300 They're not talking about that.

00:13:35.760 No one's talking about it.

00:13:36.020 They're only for ratings.

00:13:37.240 No.

00:13:38.720 Let me...

00:13:40.320 So I listened to...

00:13:42.520 I think I got into

00:13:44.380 the World War II discussion.

00:13:46.920 We can go to one of these things

00:13:48.840 and see what he's talking about.

00:13:52.660 This is my impression

00:13:55.140 after listening to 30 minutes

00:13:57.060 of it on a walk.

00:13:59.000 And I tweeted this last night.

00:14:00.720 The weird thing about conservatives

00:14:02.960 is that they're 20 years behind

00:14:05.840 and then they rehearse

00:14:09.380 or redo something

00:14:12.080 that other people did

00:14:14.460 at a point where it was

00:14:15.560 in fact dangerous and relevant.

00:14:18.280 And then they proceed to believe

00:14:20.800 or at least tell you

00:14:22.020 that they were the first one to do it

00:14:23.560 and then pat themselves

00:14:24.680 on the back for doing it.

00:14:27.680 And...

00:14:28.240 I was hoping you were going to get to that

00:14:30.020 because he acted in this interview

00:14:33.560 like he invented

00:14:34.700 World War II revisionism

00:14:36.740 and like it's this like...

00:14:40.020 He's the first guy

00:14:40.940 to have a nuanced view

00:14:42.180 of the Holocaust.

00:14:44.020 Or anything about the Second World War.

00:14:46.420 Not just the Holocaust.

00:14:47.460 It's just absurd.

00:14:51.520 And like...

00:14:53.380 So I was listening to Daryl Colby.

00:14:54.920 He seemed to be some sort of

00:14:56.440 DOJ contractor.

00:14:59.060 And I mean you can claim

00:15:00.640 that he's a Fed

00:15:01.520 or he's whatever.

00:15:02.580 Maybe that's true.

00:15:03.800 I don't know.

00:15:04.540 I mean I'll just examine

00:15:06.680 what he says directly.

00:15:08.600 But he did this thing

00:15:10.640 on the Israeli-Palestinian question

00:15:13.160 and he starts bragging

00:15:14.360 about reading secondary literature.

00:15:16.500 He was like,

00:15:17.040 at first I just read two books

00:15:18.560 and then I must have read 60 books on...

00:15:22.640 Okay.

00:15:25.320 Reading a bunch of secondary literature,

00:15:27.840 I mean that is fine.

00:15:29.360 And that's not actual...

00:15:34.140 That's not history.

00:15:35.640 I mean if you want to offer

00:15:37.260 your own interpretation of something,

00:15:40.000 that's great.

00:15:42.200 But that's not

00:15:43.520 Ronchean history exactly.

00:15:46.820 Like reading...

00:15:47.880 Secondary literature is of course

00:15:49.340 like a history of the conflict

00:15:50.800 or someone's article or whatever.

00:15:53.060 You're reading someone's interpretation of it.

00:15:55.560 Actual history writing

00:15:58.340 is going to an archive

00:16:00.120 or going to a archaeological dig

00:16:03.240 or talking to someone directly

00:16:05.820 or something.

00:16:06.560 So I'm not terribly impressed

00:16:08.900 that you read a bunch of books

00:16:10.600 and then you want to say like,

00:16:13.620 oh, I want to give this nuanced view

00:16:15.980 of both sides

00:16:17.300 and put myself in their shoes.

00:16:19.340 Yeah, like, dude,

00:16:21.220 this is what everyone has been doing

00:16:24.760 before Ronchean.

00:16:27.980 I mean, this is just not new.

00:16:30.400 And the fact that you're discovering this

00:16:32.300 is kind of precious.

00:16:36.640 You know, it's like...

00:16:38.140 I don't...

00:16:39.720 It's like literally a child

00:16:41.560 rolling a can

00:16:42.780 and thinking that it invented the wheel.

00:16:45.100 I mean, it's like

00:16:45.920 truly pathetic.

00:16:47.940 I listened to about 30 minutes

00:16:50.960 this is a while ago

00:16:52.340 like of the Israel-Palestine

00:16:54.180 and I put it down

00:16:55.120 because it was...

00:16:56.180 I found it just bizarre.

00:16:57.980 It was like him start...

00:16:59.260 Him in this voice like,

00:17:00.480 imagine you're a Jew

00:17:01.820 living in Europe

00:17:03.380 and like they've killed your family

00:17:05.680 and they're attacking you.

00:17:07.440 And it was just this

00:17:08.580 sort of like sentimental garbage.

00:17:11.000 I don't know.

00:17:11.440 Perhaps I did not give it

00:17:13.120 the requisite amount of time

00:17:15.440 and I just felt like

00:17:17.180 I didn't want to waste

00:17:18.520 any more time on this stuff.

00:17:21.680 There are better historians

00:17:23.360 working on this,

00:17:24.720 most of which are

00:17:25.560 left-wing historians

00:17:26.900 to be honest.

00:17:28.480 And I'm just not...

00:17:29.900 was not terribly impressed by it.

00:17:32.260 Perhaps I should give it

00:17:33.500 another look.

00:17:35.040 And then he talked about

00:17:35.840 the Jonestown cult.

00:17:37.040 So it's a fascinating thing.

00:17:38.260 And he's like,

00:17:38.840 did you know that

00:17:39.860 most of the victims were black?

00:17:41.580 And did you know

00:17:42.940 that it was this left-wing group?

00:17:44.900 It wasn't like

00:17:45.760 a Christian fundamentalist,

00:17:47.240 only a Christian fundamentalist.

00:17:48.680 It was actually a left-wing.

00:17:49.820 And it's like,

00:17:50.340 yeah, I actually did know that.

00:17:54.540 That's not new information.

00:17:56.680 And maybe it's something

00:17:57.440 you could bring to the fore

00:17:59.300 to talk to people.

00:18:00.600 But this idea

00:18:02.320 that books have not been written

00:18:04.020 on this subject

00:18:04.740 is just absurd.

00:18:06.540 And he supposedly listened

00:18:11.880 to all of the files

00:18:13.940 from Jim Jones' sermons.

00:18:17.900 Okay, that's great.

00:18:18.800 That is doing history.

00:18:20.040 But what are you doing?

00:18:21.800 You're either uncovering

00:18:23.440 new material.

00:18:24.760 So this material is

00:18:25.600 in the public domain.

00:18:26.920 That's not anything.

00:18:28.900 You're either uncovering

00:18:30.460 new material

00:18:31.260 in order to advance

00:18:33.860 our understanding of facts,

00:18:35.780 or you're offering

00:18:37.780 a new interpretation.

00:18:40.620 But if you're not doing

00:18:42.160 either of those things,

00:18:44.040 you're sort of

00:18:45.520 entertaining people.

00:18:47.120 And that is totally fine.

00:18:50.360 Totally fine.

00:18:51.900 Maybe we need more of that.

00:18:53.920 But don't claim

00:18:56.040 that this is somehow brave

00:18:58.240 or new.

00:19:00.280 Or like no one's willing

00:19:02.480 to do this or something.

00:19:04.120 I mean, it's like

00:19:05.640 they're so sheltered

00:19:07.260 and ignorant

00:19:08.380 conservatives

00:19:09.540 that they...

00:19:11.820 Again, it's like

00:19:13.020 they roll a can

00:19:14.080 across the ground

00:19:15.120 and they think

00:19:15.660 they've invented the wheel.

00:19:16.820 I mean, it is like

00:19:17.660 truly pathetic

00:19:20.000 if maybe a little bit

00:19:21.820 precious

00:19:22.400 how

00:19:23.680 sheltered they are.

00:19:27.200 But that's actually

00:19:28.780 a charitable reading.

00:19:30.040 I think they know

00:19:31.300 that other people

00:19:32.640 have done this work

00:19:33.860 and they're just

00:19:35.140 trying to go

00:19:36.200 and like take credit

00:19:37.420 and signal to everyone

00:19:39.200 how brave they are

00:19:40.380 that they're like

00:19:40.980 the only one

00:19:42.360 willing to engage

00:19:43.480 in World War II

00:19:44.760 revisionism.

00:19:46.380 Ever heard of

00:19:47.280 AJP Taylor?

00:19:49.120 You know,

00:19:49.940 Martyr Maid?

00:19:50.480 Ever heard of that guy?

00:19:51.340 I mean, even

00:19:54.160 Niall Ferguson

00:19:54.960 who I believe

00:19:55.700 worked mostly

00:19:56.780 with secondary literature

00:19:57.680 but like

00:19:58.140 he wrote a revisionist

00:19:59.740 history of World War I

00:20:01.020 like 30 years ago

00:20:02.660 in terms of the

00:20:04.860 causes of the war

00:20:05.720 and he actually

00:20:06.160 blamed Britain.

00:20:07.340 It caused a bit

00:20:08.140 of a

00:20:08.640 scandal.

00:20:11.500 David Irving?

00:20:12.260 Never heard of that guy.

00:20:13.580 Right.

00:20:13.960 Well, then there are

00:20:14.460 more controversial figures.

00:20:15.960 David Irving.

00:20:16.420 David Irving's name.

00:20:20.460 You know,

00:20:20.700 he would like

00:20:21.240 call him like

00:20:22.140 a terrible anti-Semite.

00:20:24.440 Yes.

00:20:25.440 While he

00:20:25.940 basically is going to

00:20:27.060 say a half-baked

00:20:28.200 version of what

00:20:28.900 David Irving said.

00:20:30.580 How about

00:20:30.860 Pat Buchanan?

00:20:31.720 He never

00:20:32.200 that he never

00:20:33.300 actually had the

00:20:34.260 No.

00:20:36.760 No.

00:20:37.640 And he

00:20:37.900 would never have

00:20:39.020 like the integrity

00:20:40.060 to go and do

00:20:40.860 the research

00:20:41.420 the way

00:20:41.760 David Irving would.

00:20:42.700 David Irving went

00:20:44.720 to a bunch of

00:20:45.600 archives

00:20:46.160 and David Irving

00:20:47.920 traveled the world

00:20:49.180 acquiring

00:20:50.440 documents

00:20:52.360 and

00:20:53.080 from what I can tell

00:20:54.700 examined the

00:20:55.480 documents skeptically.

00:20:56.940 You know,

00:20:57.100 like who wrote this?

00:20:57.840 Who published it?

00:20:58.600 Is it reliable?

00:21:00.560 Do they have an

00:21:01.100 interest in saying

00:21:01.980 this?

00:21:02.340 I mean,

00:21:02.780 I just can't even

00:21:04.520 with these people.

00:21:05.300 It's like the best

00:21:06.340 you could say about

00:21:07.680 them is that

00:21:08.240 they're highly naive

00:21:09.340 and the worst

00:21:10.580 you can say about

00:21:11.360 them is that

00:21:12.540 they're actually

00:21:13.860 kind of like

00:21:17.460 malevolent

00:21:18.440 in the sense

00:21:20.760 that,

00:21:21.380 I mean,

00:21:21.640 it's this thing

00:21:22.260 that I've talked

00:21:22.840 about a while

00:21:23.460 where it's like

00:21:24.500 these conservatives

00:21:25.720 have now discovered

00:21:26.860 race realism

00:21:27.760 and they're going

00:21:29.260 to be like,

00:21:29.780 oh,

00:21:30.000 look,

00:21:30.820 like why are

00:21:31.580 so many people,

00:21:32.480 why did no one

00:21:33.400 talk about this?

00:21:34.200 Why am I the only

00:21:35.040 one talking about

00:21:35.920 this?

00:21:36.740 You know,

00:21:37.040 we need to start

00:21:37.760 talking about it

00:21:38.640 and it's like

00:21:39.420 people have been

00:21:40.820 doing this

00:21:41.760 for a century

00:21:43.080 and more

00:21:44.240 obviously people

00:21:45.100 have been doing

00:21:45.520 this for the last

00:21:46.200 30 years.

00:21:47.480 You give them

00:21:48.480 zero credit

00:21:49.640 and you pretend

00:21:50.560 that they don't

00:21:51.120 exist and then

00:21:51.860 you offer this

00:21:52.640 like half

00:21:53.960 baked version

00:21:55.980 of what they

00:21:56.820 did.

00:21:57.980 It's just

00:21:58.900 infuriating.

00:22:01.620 It's a lot

00:22:02.360 like Candace Owens

00:22:03.320 is doing right

00:22:03.900 now also.

00:22:05.140 Yeah.

00:22:07.360 It is a

00:22:08.140 conservative

00:22:08.760 mentality.

00:22:09.580 They are a

00:22:10.980 race of

00:22:12.620 midwits who

00:22:13.340 act like this

00:22:14.260 and there's

00:22:15.940 no getting

00:22:16.500 around it.

00:22:17.460 This is another

00:22:18.040 thing that I

00:22:18.500 would say

00:22:18.820 because one

00:22:20.040 guy who's

00:22:20.520 been a

00:22:21.400 kind of

00:22:22.520 conversation

00:22:24.440 partner and

00:22:25.220 critic,

00:22:25.640 I remember

00:22:25.960 Xbox Live

00:22:27.140 responded.

00:22:28.940 He was like,

00:22:29.280 well,

00:22:29.380 isn't it sort

00:22:30.080 of good that

00:22:30.680 they're finally

00:22:31.580 giving this to

00:22:32.400 the normies

00:22:32.960 and things like

00:22:34.140 that?

00:22:34.480 And I guess

00:22:35.640 you could say

00:22:36.560 it's somewhat

00:22:37.720 good,

00:22:38.240 but I'm

00:22:40.160 ambivalent about

00:22:40.760 this whole

00:22:41.100 phenomenon.

00:22:42.900 But this

00:22:44.740 is what I

00:22:45.340 would say.

00:22:46.940 When the

00:22:47.840 rubber hit

00:22:48.540 the road,

00:22:49.460 and I'll go

00:22:49.980 back to my

00:22:50.520 dear friend

00:22:51.420 Ann Coulter,

00:22:52.680 when the

00:22:53.320 rubber hit

00:22:53.960 the road

00:22:54.740 with Ann

00:22:55.700 Coulter,

00:22:56.780 when she

00:22:57.540 was at a

00:22:58.360 point where

00:22:59.320 what she was

00:23:00.100 saying mattered,

00:23:01.360 what she was

00:23:01.840 saying was

00:23:02.300 hyper relevant

00:23:03.360 and

00:23:03.880 inconsequential,

00:23:06.540 she never

00:23:07.740 talked about

00:23:08.420 immigration.

00:23:09.280 She talked

00:23:09.760 about maybe

00:23:10.500 Muslims

00:23:11.460 immigrating

00:23:12.880 here,

00:23:13.560 and they're

00:23:14.140 going to

00:23:14.340 come and

00:23:14.900 blow up

00:23:15.940 your dog

00:23:16.660 or something.

00:23:18.700 She

00:23:18.820 blew her

00:23:21.060 wad on

00:23:22.120 supporting the

00:23:23.660 Iraq war.

00:23:27.160 And

00:23:27.400 once

00:23:28.580 immigration,

00:23:29.780 the impact

00:23:30.640 of immigration

00:23:31.480 has been

00:23:31.980 baked into

00:23:32.680 the cake,

00:23:33.880 someone like

00:23:34.860 Ann Coulter

00:23:35.460 is like,

00:23:35.900 we've got

00:23:36.460 to stop

00:23:37.360 immigration or

00:23:38.420 we won't

00:23:38.900 have a

00:23:39.360 country.

00:23:41.500 And it's

00:23:41.920 like,

00:23:42.380 you realize

00:23:43.420 this is

00:23:44.080 over.

00:23:45.200 You realize

00:23:45.740 that even

00:23:47.220 if you

00:23:47.740 halted all

00:23:48.560 immigration,

00:23:49.860 the white

00:23:51.420 majority is

00:23:52.600 done.

00:23:53.380 If you

00:23:53.760 halted

00:23:54.120 immigration,

00:23:54.640 you might

00:23:54.880 put it

00:23:55.240 off by

00:23:55.660 20 years

00:23:56.920 or maybe

00:23:57.460 even less.

00:23:58.200 so

00:23:59.420 once

00:24:02.320 something is

00:24:03.160 in a way

00:24:03.660 no longer

00:24:04.500 relevant,

00:24:05.860 you

00:24:06.080 retreat

00:24:06.920 into that

00:24:07.880 space

00:24:08.480 and then

00:24:09.260 talk about

00:24:10.580 how

00:24:10.900 consequential

00:24:11.660 it is.

00:24:13.060 And I

00:24:13.660 would argue

00:24:14.560 that World

00:24:15.860 War II,

00:24:16.480 it's always

00:24:17.640 worthwhile

00:24:18.060 talking about

00:24:18.820 this,

00:24:19.320 the most

00:24:20.060 deadly

00:24:20.900 conflict in

00:24:21.700 human history,

00:24:22.400 but World

00:24:24.380 War II is

00:24:25.400 actually much,

00:24:27.180 much less

00:24:28.000 relevant now

00:24:29.120 than it

00:24:30.100 has ever

00:24:30.520 been.

00:24:31.920 When after

00:24:33.160 Schindler's

00:24:33.800 List was

00:24:34.760 released in

00:24:36.240 say 1994

00:24:37.880 of thereabouts

00:24:38.900 and then

00:24:39.540 Saving Private

00:24:40.560 Ryan some

00:24:41.480 five years

00:24:42.100 later and

00:24:43.840 leading into

00:24:44.440 the Bush

00:24:44.780 administration,

00:24:46.000 the direct

00:24:46.780 callbacks to

00:24:48.360 Nazis in

00:24:49.840 the Second

00:24:50.220 World War

00:24:50.960 and another

00:24:51.720 Munich

00:24:52.400 and all

00:24:52.920 this stuff

00:24:53.580 that occurred

00:24:54.280 in the

00:24:54.540 W administration,

00:24:55.720 that was

00:24:56.680 a time

00:24:57.260 in which

00:24:58.440 World War

00:25:00.040 II revisionism

00:25:01.280 would have

00:25:02.060 been

00:25:02.500 consequential.

00:25:04.680 You might

00:25:04.960 have been

00:25:05.240 fired for

00:25:05.980 doing it,

00:25:06.480 in fact.

00:25:08.780 Fast

00:25:09.380 forward to

00:25:09.800 2024,

00:25:12.600 30 years

00:25:14.080 after say

00:25:14.720 Schindler's

00:25:15.200 List or

00:25:15.720 25 years

00:25:16.400 after Saving

00:25:16.940 Private Ryan

00:25:17.480 was using

00:25:17.920 the movies

00:25:18.420 as a

00:25:20.220 way of

00:25:21.960 metric for

00:25:23.240 understanding

00:25:24.400 the popular

00:25:24.960 imagination,

00:25:26.160 20 years

00:25:27.100 after the

00:25:27.820 Iraq war

00:25:28.640 debate,

00:25:29.520 it's just

00:25:30.920 a lot less

00:25:31.700 relevant.

00:25:35.760 You're

00:25:36.560 retreating

00:25:37.820 into this

00:25:38.440 safe zone

00:25:39.660 where you

00:25:40.640 can be

00:25:41.100 edgy.

00:25:42.000 No one's

00:25:43.000 going to get

00:25:43.360 fired for

00:25:45.120 Egyptian

00:25:46.980 pyramid

00:25:48.240 revisionism.

00:25:49.640 All of

00:25:50.440 that is

00:25:50.760 very

00:25:51.060 interesting

00:25:51.680 and curious

00:25:52.580 and worth

00:25:53.320 talking about

00:25:54.200 and whatever,

00:25:55.940 but it's

00:25:56.980 not relevant.

00:25:58.500 It's not

00:25:58.760 really,

00:25:59.800 I mean,

00:26:00.120 it's worth

00:26:00.620 doing,

00:26:01.260 but you're

00:26:02.400 not really

00:26:03.620 impacting

00:26:04.460 the world.

00:26:06.660 And I

00:26:07.960 just feel

00:26:08.320 like conservatives

00:26:08.960 do this.

00:26:09.720 It's like

00:26:10.060 once something

00:26:11.180 has been

00:26:11.980 resolved and

00:26:13.160 is no

00:26:14.080 longer an

00:26:14.620 issue,

00:26:15.300 they kind

00:26:15.700 of go

00:26:16.220 back into

00:26:17.020 that safe

00:26:17.760 merely

00:26:18.660 academic

00:26:19.280 zone and

00:26:20.520 start having

00:26:21.220 these

00:26:21.500 controversial

00:26:22.140 opinions,

00:26:23.160 knowing that

00:26:23.840 it's never

00:26:24.460 going to

00:26:24.920 really affect

00:26:25.500 anything.

00:26:25.940 so I

00:26:30.520 don't,

00:26:31.500 I don't

00:26:33.280 even want

00:26:33.880 to be

00:26:34.300 attacking

00:26:34.720 them like

00:26:35.200 this.

00:26:35.520 I do

00:26:35.740 this sort

00:26:36.140 of reluctantly,

00:26:37.040 but I

00:26:37.320 just,

00:26:38.580 the sort

00:26:39.600 of smugness

00:26:40.740 and willful

00:26:42.860 ignorance is

00:26:44.280 just

00:26:44.820 breathtaking.

00:26:45.960 thinking.

RadixJournal - September 04, 2024

The Unnecessary Podcast

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