In this episode of the podcast, we discuss an article written by Philip Kuchta about Donald Trump's early years in politics. We talk about how he became interested in politics when he was a kid, and how that led him to write an article about it.
00:03:38.440But the first one that I sort of followed to some degree was George Herbert Walker Bush versus Dukakis.
00:03:46.960And I remember there was this dynamic where all of our teachers were voting for Dukakis because, you know, there's, you know, liberal, you know, bias, basically.
00:03:55.980Or I shouldn't even say bias, just liberal tendency among that profession.
00:04:00.440But I did sort of resonate with Republicans very early on.
00:04:04.840I kind of resonated with the right wing, even though I'm not sure I even knew about any issue or something like that.
00:04:13.860But that type of politics seems extremely stayed in comparison to Trump.
00:04:21.460And obviously there were some dirty politics about that campaign that had the famous Willie Horton ad, you know, race baiting Southern strategy galore.
00:04:29.420But there is something different. First off, we're saturated by politics in a way. Young people are saturated by politics in a way that they weren't previously. You would have to go and sit down and watch the news to learn about what's going on in the election or read a newspaper, which we certainly weren't doing.
00:04:48.740And now there's there is a kind of pop culture quality to Trump that, you know, Trump's name would be evoked in some of these totally stupid, like mumble rap songs.
00:05:03.320And, you know, like, oh, Donald Trump, like just just I'm just making that up.
00:08:56.440Are we going to pull out? Are we going to stay there for the long haul? Is this for Israel? Is this for me? I mean, it's sort of all of that. And he says different things to different at different times to different audiences. And there's just this sort of ambiguity that I think is strategic on some instinctual level.
00:09:17.380Like, this is how he operates, is to never make a decision or to sort of be all things to all people or to be a kind of screen in which you can project fantasies and things like that.
00:09:29.460Well, I don't think we could say he intends it in a way that, like, we might have this idea of a politician as, like, a strategist who kind of intends ambiguity.
00:09:44.100like i think it is instinctual with trump and maybe it's uh derives from his you know
00:09:50.060desire to be white to be popular to everyone um but i think that's what's also interesting it's
00:09:57.920like uh you know in the article uh i use uh you know kantian uh ideas to kind of present this uh
00:10:06.840this picture of trump that we have and that a lot of people have um you know beneath the skin
00:10:12.400beneath the the media's um shimmer and as like someone who's uh making decisions intentionally
00:10:21.080and posturing a certain way because he has this kind of inner dialogue um this like inner
00:10:27.140personality um maybe he's like particularly pernicious as a evil vicious person or maybe
00:10:33.940he's um he's actually trying to do the right thing but he's restrained by his advisors or something
00:10:39.640um uh this is all projection upon trump that um it reveals more about the interpreter than
00:10:48.700trump who's being interpreted right and uh there's no thing in itself there's only the
00:10:54.100perception of the thing we that's the only thing we can ever get from him yeah well that you have
00:10:58.860of course like the noumena which is the thing behind perception behind uh you know um the
00:11:06.820imposition of you know these concepts that we have in i guess in kantian language uh you know
00:11:13.100you'd say uh forms of the understanding that structure our experience uh but it's like what
00:11:20.020what a lot of people are trying to do who are you know plan trusters or panicans what they're trying
00:11:24.920to do is read uh some kind of inner strategy motive or intention into the phenomenon and this
00:11:33.800is kind of like uh you know metaphysical speculation insofar as it's like for Kant
00:11:39.300we can't actually uh reach beyond the phenomena yeah reason is is constrained to what uh the
00:11:47.340information that is structured by you know sensibility and intuitions um but we nonetheless
00:11:54.780have a desire to um because it kind of also it's also exacerbated by the fact that there's a
00:12:01.420contradiction on the surface and so how do we restore coherence we kind of uh we project our
00:12:08.820own uh i guess um formulations upon in order to make sense of it all uh so we can kind of uh
00:12:16.680achieve a semblance of coherence in interpreting him but i think this also plays into kind of
00:12:23.680trump's uh trump's interests and that you know he can be equally accessible to everyone he can
00:12:32.300build these vast coalitions without ever really committing to a particular point or or will be
00:12:39.360um and so like i said i think that ties into what you were what you were saying earlier he's like
00:12:45.740he's anyone to everyone yeah um this makes him a really good campaigner as well uh i mean but it's
00:12:53.680It's problematic when you actually have to govern because you kind of have to make decisions.
00:12:59.360That's the way – if you're going to make policies, if you're going to undertake the labor of governance, you have to exclude some people.
00:13:10.780There's a lot I want to pick up on there, but I'll just start with this.
00:13:17.740One sense that I have with Trump is that he's sort of constantly campaigning, and the MAGA coalition is constantly on the ouse.
00:13:31.440And what I mean by this is that so much of the Trump coalition in 2016 and 2020 and 2024, the coalitions, we should say, because a lot of boomers died, a lot of new people came in.
00:13:46.580And it's this sort of grab bag, a basket of deplorables, you could say, using Hillary Clinton's language of anti-government animosity, which is very ironic.
00:14:01.080Like in 2020, and it was sort of early COVID at that point, but you still had the makings of people being like, I want to get out of my house.
00:14:10.660I'm not wearing a mask and all that kind of stuff that they were voting for Trump in 2024.
00:14:16.040Before, it was the anti-vax coalition.
00:14:18.780I remember Brett Weinstein had this, like, heady, transcendental movement of some kind.
00:14:26.480I have no earthly idea what exactly they were advocating for.
00:14:29.600But it was like, with 2020, we got 2020 vision of the evils of the deep state and, you know, something like that.