RadixJournal - Unconscious Cinema

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00:00:01.260 well mark what are we doing

00:00:28.080 talking about Kingsman

00:00:30.400 isn't this supposed to be

00:00:32.620 a pretentious

00:00:33.720 podcast we're talking about

00:00:36.420 a lads movie

00:00:38.440 I remember the lads magazines

00:00:40.280 from the 90s like Maxim and all

00:00:42.440 these kinds of things where they would show

00:00:44.100 they'd have you know covers with

00:00:46.260 B-list starlets

00:00:48.760 and you know

00:00:50.260 soft pornographic

00:00:52.240 yet tastefully done sometimes not so

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00:00:54.940 photographic shoots that's kind of

00:00:58.340 who that I think on one level

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00:01:02.000 that is the audience

00:01:04.600 for Kingsman it

00:01:06.340 is most

00:01:08.360 famous for I

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00:01:12.300 famous for leaving

00:01:14.180 everyone

00:01:14.980 either laughing and hilarity

00:01:18.360 or a bit grossed

00:01:20.360 out by a

00:01:22.260 bum sex joke

00:01:25.480 at the end of the first film

00:01:28.000 but I think

00:01:29.660 on another level

00:01:30.580 I think this film

00:01:31.960 is

00:01:32.420 and the two films

00:01:33.720 the whole series

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00:01:35.080 that they created

00:01:35.680 is extremely

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00:01:40.540 even though they're

00:01:41.300 they might

00:01:41.920 a lot of the liberals

00:01:43.100 will probably enjoy it

00:01:44.500 but

00:01:45.080 at the end of the day

00:01:46.840 the first film

00:01:48.260 offers a vision

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00:02:02.380 have a license to kill

00:02:03.800 and kill at will

00:02:05.480 and

00:02:07.100 apparently end up

00:02:08.920 getting a lot of girls

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00:02:11.580 and at the end of the film

00:02:13.400 basically

00:02:14.040 effectively eliminate

00:02:15.500 the entire

00:02:16.380 global elite class

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00:02:19.280 then president

00:02:20.200 of the United States

00:02:21.300 Barack Obama

00:02:22.220 so

00:02:22.580 wow

00:02:23.720 what a movie

00:02:24.360 but anyway

00:02:25.300 Mark

00:02:26.700 what were your

00:02:29.400 first impressions of it

00:02:30.580 did you see it

00:02:31.280 in the theater

00:02:31.880 did Kings

00:02:32.680 the original Kingsman

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00:02:35.020 what were your

00:02:35.900 first impressions

00:02:36.760 of the film

00:02:37.240 I think that I shared

00:02:39.560 some of your

00:02:40.100 first impressions

00:02:40.860 but probably my

00:02:43.100 feeling was

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00:02:45.080 this is a

00:02:45.840 politically incorrect

00:02:47.980 film but

00:02:48.740 not nearly so

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00:02:57.640 but it did

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00:02:59.520 you have to start

00:03:00.060 somewhere though

00:03:00.740 it's true

00:03:01.280 it's true

00:03:01.960 and it's kind of

00:03:03.260 a mixed bag

00:03:03.880 in some ways

00:03:04.520 it's very

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00:03:09.620 my impressions were

00:03:11.440 I found it to be

00:03:13.180 a kind of

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00:03:16.140 I wasn't

00:03:16.800 I wasn't

00:03:18.120 I don't think

00:03:18.860 I'm as much

00:03:19.540 of a fan

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00:03:20.360 as you are

00:03:21.040 but I do

00:03:22.420 recognize that

00:03:23.260 there are

00:03:23.620 valuable elements

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00:03:29.160 artists

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00:03:36.040 some of those

00:03:36.640 elements

00:03:37.120 no pun intended

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00:03:41.640 so I think

00:03:42.560 that there

00:03:42.860 there are

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00:03:45.760 and I think

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00:05:19.940 did I say

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00:05:36.680 why

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00:05:42.020 you could

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00:05:55.740 what I'm

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00:08:06.080 where the

00:08:06.500 Kingsmen are

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00:08:09.580 yeah

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00:08:23.880 actually a

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00:09:01.000 it's strikingly

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00:09:05.560 um

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00:09:08.500 even if

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00:10:00.420 film

00:10:00.660 in the

00:10:00.960 sense

00:10:01.240 that um

00:10:02.020 these

00:10:02.740 kingsmen

00:10:03.400 are in

00:10:03.920 a sense

00:10:04.300 uh

00:10:04.600 crusaders

00:10:05.180 right

00:10:05.660 um

00:10:06.940 and

00:10:07.920 you know

00:10:08.760 there's a

00:10:09.080 whole reference

00:10:09.680 to kind

00:10:10.340 of Arthurian

00:10:11.060 mythology

00:10:11.500 that's kind

00:10:11.980 of woven

00:10:12.380 into the

00:10:12.840 film

00:10:13.160 um

00:10:13.920 with agents

00:10:14.900 taking on

00:10:15.540 different names

00:10:16.260 of the

00:10:16.800 knights of

00:10:17.200 the round

00:10:17.560 table

00:10:17.820 for instance

00:10:18.340 um

00:10:19.580 so

00:10:20.460 I think

00:10:21.140 that that's

00:10:21.620 an aspect

00:10:21.980 of it

00:10:22.300 so it's

00:10:22.580 quite explicit

00:10:23.240 and sort

00:10:23.700 of uh

00:10:24.420 explicit

00:10:26.180 implicit

00:10:26.740 in sort

00:10:27.460 of contrasting

00:10:28.500 um

00:10:29.240 uh

00:10:29.920 the west

00:10:30.500 with

00:10:31.100 uh

00:10:31.340 islam

00:10:31.880 uh

00:10:32.960 particularly

00:10:33.300 in that

00:10:33.640 first scene

00:10:34.260 now

00:10:34.920 yeah

00:10:35.220 that

00:10:35.540 it ends

00:10:36.620 up that

00:10:36.880 that's

00:10:37.140 not really

00:10:38.100 developed

00:10:38.560 theme

00:10:39.480 in either

00:10:39.860 of the

00:10:40.060 two

00:10:40.240 films

00:10:40.580 but

00:10:41.020 that

00:10:43.560 first

00:10:43.860 scene

00:10:44.100 though

00:10:44.280 it's

00:10:44.480 it

00:10:44.920 obviously

00:10:45.340 contains

00:10:46.020 um

00:10:46.660 uh

00:10:48.280 the theme

00:10:48.920 of

00:10:49.060 uh

00:10:49.520 um

00:10:50.460 culture

00:10:51.040 war

00:10:51.460 um

00:10:52.080 the west

00:10:52.580 versus

00:10:52.840 islam

00:10:53.260 yeah

00:10:54.580 yeah

00:10:55.660 well it

00:10:56.680 is interesting

00:10:57.260 when you

00:10:57.580 when you

00:10:57.880 think about

00:10:58.220 like

00:10:58.480 what

00:10:58.940 the

00:10:59.160 kingsman

00:10:59.700 is

00:11:00.260 um

00:11:00.680 because

00:11:00.900 there's

00:11:01.540 this

00:11:01.900 you know

00:11:02.700 amusing

00:11:03.120 scene

00:11:03.720 where

00:11:04.420 eggsy

00:11:05.040 you know

00:11:05.340 he's been

00:11:06.020 allowed out

00:11:07.020 of prison

00:11:07.540 and he's

00:11:08.480 taken by

00:11:09.020 colin firth

00:11:09.940 down this

00:11:11.340 you know

00:11:12.020 elevator

00:11:12.740 that you know

00:11:13.560 goes hundreds

00:11:14.140 of feet

00:11:14.920 into the

00:11:15.340 underground

00:11:15.740 and so on

00:11:16.520 and he's

00:11:17.440 explaining

00:11:17.980 kingsman

00:11:18.600 and he

00:11:19.240 notably

00:11:19.860 says that

00:11:20.540 they were

00:11:20.800 founded

00:11:21.260 in 1848

00:11:22.520 or 1849

00:11:23.920 by gentlemen

00:11:25.000 and it's

00:11:26.440 a i i

00:11:26.960 don't think

00:11:27.680 that was a

00:11:28.460 random year

00:11:29.480 it does seem

00:11:30.180 to be some

00:11:30.720 kind of

00:11:31.100 reference to

00:11:31.800 these democratic

00:11:32.680 revolutions

00:11:33.320 that were going

00:11:33.900 on at that

00:11:34.360 point

00:11:34.640 um

00:11:35.720 and then

00:11:36.720 basically

00:11:37.480 the kingsmen

00:11:38.340 have these

00:11:39.600 trillion dollar

00:11:40.440 bank accounts

00:11:41.160 because uh

00:11:42.320 so many of

00:11:43.160 the sons

00:11:43.960 of these

00:11:44.860 noble families

00:11:46.220 died in the

00:11:46.980 great war

00:11:47.660 and so

00:11:49.240 it is

00:11:49.820 like the

00:11:50.340 kingsmen are

00:11:51.140 created as

00:11:52.920 a reactionary

00:11:54.360 group

00:11:54.880 uh

00:11:55.880 they are

00:11:57.460 not just

00:11:58.940 right wing

00:12:00.160 but they're

00:12:00.900 but they're

00:12:01.320 ancien regime

00:12:02.480 uh to a

00:12:03.680 large degree

00:12:04.280 sure

00:12:06.980 yeah i mean

00:12:08.560 and i don't

00:12:09.660 i don't know

00:12:10.040 if we're

00:12:10.380 jumping ahead

00:12:11.040 of ourselves

00:12:11.460 here but

00:12:12.100 no just go

00:12:12.900 yeah i mean

00:12:13.600 ultimately they

00:12:14.280 represent um

00:12:15.580 uh

00:12:17.220 egalitarianism

00:12:18.860 masquerading as

00:12:19.880 elitism though

00:12:20.680 so in other

00:12:21.900 words their

00:12:22.820 opponents

00:12:23.480 their adversaries

00:12:25.340 are elitists

00:12:26.120 and they are

00:12:26.960 ultimately for

00:12:28.080 mankind

00:12:28.860 they're defenders

00:12:29.600 of mankind

00:12:30.340 so

00:12:31.600 in some ways

00:12:33.260 yeah there is

00:12:34.260 a kind of sense

00:12:34.900 of aristocracy

00:12:35.720 but there's also

00:12:36.980 kind of this

00:12:37.640 kind of disjanic

00:12:38.480 sense of you

00:12:39.440 know they're

00:12:39.700 protecting

00:12:40.180 whoever

00:12:41.200 i mean they're

00:12:42.820 not protecting

00:12:43.600 um anglo-saxons

00:12:45.700 they're not

00:12:46.180 protecting england

00:12:47.640 uh

00:12:48.480 they're protecting

00:12:49.160 the world as it

00:12:49.960 is

00:12:50.260 yeah and

00:12:51.120 so there's

00:12:53.060 that aspect

00:12:53.600 and i think

00:12:54.140 that that

00:12:54.600 uh it

00:12:55.520 to a certain

00:12:56.260 extent it

00:12:56.700 permeates

00:12:57.300 um

00:12:57.980 the whole

00:12:59.040 series

00:12:59.620 uh

00:13:00.480 especially

00:13:01.020 with a

00:13:01.580 theme

00:13:02.000 a kind of

00:13:03.420 related theme

00:13:04.320 of um

00:13:05.740 uh this

00:13:07.360 sort of

00:13:07.680 meritocracy

00:13:08.400 versus um

00:13:09.620 hierarchy

00:13:10.140 theme

00:13:10.500 uh especially

00:13:11.800 with kind of

00:13:12.220 the cultivation

00:13:12.780 of this

00:13:13.560 the chav

00:13:14.340 egzy

00:13:15.140 right

00:13:15.600 yeah

00:13:16.360 so

00:13:17.240 so it

00:13:19.440 is

00:13:19.820 ultimately

00:13:20.480 the they

00:13:21.520 are ultimately

00:13:22.180 defenders of

00:13:22.880 egalitarianism

00:13:23.720 um

00:13:25.280 yeah let's

00:13:26.240 lay this out

00:13:27.180 actually because

00:13:27.640 this is quite

00:13:28.580 complicated i

00:13:29.460 don't think our

00:13:30.280 listeners quite

00:13:30.880 got this so

00:13:31.900 um

00:13:33.080 yeah the

00:13:34.380 the the

00:13:36.380 kingsmen are

00:13:37.260 in their way

00:13:38.180 like the

00:13:38.900 most

00:13:39.580 elitist

00:13:40.860 group at

00:13:41.540 least ostensibly

00:13:42.360 in terms of

00:13:43.160 the people

00:13:43.880 there you

00:13:44.880 have all of

00:13:45.660 you know you

00:13:46.260 have all of

00:13:46.620 these white

00:13:47.100 males and and

00:13:48.200 male i mean

00:13:48.720 despite the

00:13:49.200 fact that

00:13:49.540 arthur was

00:13:50.180 played by

00:13:50.680 michael caine

00:13:51.420 he it

00:13:52.280 does seem

00:13:52.660 to be a

00:13:53.240 who's you

00:13:53.860 know has

00:13:54.780 a london

00:13:55.580 uh you

00:13:56.800 know accent

00:13:57.620 i'm sure

00:13:58.000 there's probably

00:13:58.920 a name for

00:14:00.040 it the

00:14:00.320 particular accent

00:14:00.880 he has but

00:14:01.360 um they

00:14:03.000 they do

00:14:03.900 have this

00:14:04.440 you know

00:14:05.100 upper crust

00:14:06.340 quality to

00:14:07.480 them they

00:14:07.920 they know

00:14:08.700 how to mix

00:14:09.740 a martini

00:14:10.280 they know

00:14:10.820 how to wear

00:14:11.300 a suit

00:14:11.800 they know

00:14:13.680 where to

00:14:14.540 wear a

00:14:14.940 signet ring

00:14:15.700 um you

00:14:17.100 know and

00:14:17.500 and so on

00:14:18.140 they they

00:14:18.580 carry umbrellas

00:14:19.720 they you

00:14:20.660 know they

00:14:20.960 they dress

00:14:21.540 impeccably

00:14:22.180 uh etc

00:14:23.000 but those

00:14:24.240 are kind

00:14:24.640 of the

00:14:25.120 you know

00:14:26.820 like the

00:14:27.300 ostentatious

00:14:28.620 qualities of

00:14:31.420 an elite

00:14:32.080 um and on

00:14:33.520 the other

00:14:33.860 hand you

00:14:34.440 have the

00:14:34.880 villain

00:14:35.440 richmond

00:14:36.200 valentine

00:14:37.080 played by

00:14:38.040 samuel

00:14:38.520 l jackson

00:14:39.100 as just

00:14:39.740 the expression

00:14:40.760 of the

00:14:41.420 ultimate

00:14:41.900 uh egalitarian

00:14:44.340 or every

00:14:45.300 man or

00:14:45.800 something he

00:14:46.200 doesn't

00:14:46.620 understand any

00:14:47.860 of those

00:14:48.200 things uh

00:14:49.440 because he's

00:14:50.200 he's a

00:14:50.620 silicon valley

00:14:51.300 billionaire and

00:14:51.940 so because he's

00:14:52.580 so wealthy

00:14:53.180 he you know

00:14:54.440 knows that you

00:14:55.100 have to spend

00:14:55.960 you know loads

00:14:57.520 of money on

00:14:58.100 wine and

00:14:58.820 and you know

00:14:59.800 aged fine

00:15:00.780 whiskeys and

00:15:01.540 all this kind

00:15:02.020 of stuff uh

00:15:03.240 but uh in

00:15:04.360 terms of what

00:15:04.800 he actually

00:15:05.140 likes to eat

00:15:05.740 he just likes

00:15:06.220 a big mac

00:15:06.860 you know i

00:15:07.720 mean he's

00:15:08.220 just an

00:15:08.540 expression not

00:15:09.520 even like of

00:15:10.120 a working

00:15:10.680 class but

00:15:11.380 just this

00:15:11.740 like mass

00:15:12.620 idiot with

00:15:14.360 you know

00:15:14.660 elements of

00:15:15.360 black culture

00:15:16.160 thrown in

00:15:16.900 um uh but

00:15:19.840 on the other

00:15:20.380 hand like he

00:15:21.460 is the ultimate

00:15:22.320 elitist i mean

00:15:23.500 he he cares

00:15:25.200 about the

00:15:25.680 future of

00:15:26.600 the earth

00:15:27.260 in a way

00:15:28.320 that the

00:15:29.300 kingsmen don't

00:15:30.220 um the

00:15:31.140 kingsmen think

00:15:31.740 it's all a

00:15:32.360 bunch of

00:15:32.720 gobbledygook

00:15:33.440 all the global

00:15:34.220 warming you

00:15:34.980 know mumbo

00:15:35.840 jumbo um

00:15:37.440 and at

00:15:38.220 the same

00:15:38.500 time he

00:15:39.380 is he

00:15:40.180 is kind

00:15:40.560 of like a

00:15:41.020 terrifying

00:15:41.760 you know

00:15:42.900 monstrous

00:15:43.980 elite that

00:15:45.120 is actually

00:15:45.920 going to

00:15:46.460 eliminate the

00:15:47.560 population i

00:15:48.300 mean he he

00:15:48.780 basically is

00:15:49.800 like alex jones's

00:15:51.200 worst nightmare

00:15:52.000 um in the

00:15:53.820 sense of some

00:15:54.720 guy who's

00:15:55.460 engaging in

00:15:56.120 some mass

00:15:57.340 eugenic you

00:15:58.620 know depopulation

00:15:59.960 scheme that um

00:16:01.660 i mean in the

00:16:03.700 sense it's it's

00:16:04.780 he's something

00:16:05.300 that just doesn't

00:16:06.100 exist

00:16:06.420 right yes

00:16:08.400 yeah according

00:16:10.420 to alex jones

00:16:11.380 uh bill gates

00:16:12.660 is actually

00:16:13.820 uh attempting

00:16:15.180 um to

00:16:16.200 depopulate

00:16:17.000 africa he's

00:16:17.800 just very

00:16:18.400 ineffective

00:16:19.000 very ineffective

00:16:20.660 luckily or

00:16:21.220 maybe all those

00:16:21.820 africans are

00:16:22.400 listening to

00:16:22.860 info wars

00:16:23.520 and avoiding

00:16:24.900 the uh

00:16:25.360 the uh

00:16:26.160 water or

00:16:26.680 something they've

00:16:27.220 got their

00:16:27.480 water i've never

00:16:28.020 really understood

00:16:28.640 the appeal of

00:16:29.300 that guy um

00:16:30.520 maybe someone

00:16:31.500 could explain it

00:16:32.140 to me at some

00:16:32.600 point i

00:16:33.860 understand the

00:16:34.500 appeal of him

00:16:35.260 he's like

00:16:36.020 from a comedic

00:16:37.540 level i can

00:16:38.340 like a

00:16:38.860 indeliberately

00:16:40.520 funny figure

00:16:41.860 but uh

00:16:42.700 perhaps deliberately

00:16:44.060 at this point

00:16:44.900 i think he's

00:16:45.540 kind of

00:16:46.140 doing it

00:16:47.320 with a

00:16:47.640 you know i

00:16:49.180 think he's

00:16:49.500 doing it

00:16:50.040 with a

00:16:50.620 tongue-in-cheek

00:16:51.500 at this point

00:16:52.040 actually

00:16:52.400 yeah i mean

00:16:53.220 i guess we're

00:16:54.640 off topic but

00:16:55.380 he i guess

00:16:56.460 he's entertaining

00:16:57.080 the sense that

00:16:57.600 he just

00:16:57.840 seems like this

00:16:59.100 raving shouting

00:17:00.720 like madman

00:17:01.800 which is

00:17:04.460 what he is

00:17:04.980 unless he's

00:17:05.420 kind of

00:17:05.920 doing it

00:17:06.540 tongue-in-cheek

00:17:07.300 i don't think

00:17:08.280 we're off topic

00:17:08.880 at all because

00:17:09.580 um it is

00:17:11.380 it's fascinating

00:17:12.040 that these

00:17:12.800 people like

00:17:13.680 alex jones

00:17:14.320 like the

00:17:15.280 way they

00:17:16.100 view the

00:17:16.860 world might

00:17:17.600 be totally

00:17:18.640 nutballs

00:17:19.760 with regard

00:17:21.060 to what's

00:17:21.560 actually

00:17:21.940 happening

00:17:22.540 uh but

00:17:24.200 it makes

00:17:25.640 good movies

00:17:26.880 and and and

00:17:27.620 the fact that

00:17:28.440 the fact that

00:17:30.400 alex jones

00:17:31.260 like despite

00:17:32.340 himself despite

00:17:33.180 his criticism

00:17:33.980 of hollywood

00:17:34.620 or something

00:17:35.040 is so

00:17:36.480 just informed

00:17:38.120 by mass

00:17:39.420 culture is

00:17:40.140 it's telling

00:17:40.740 like even

00:17:41.540 info wars

00:17:42.440 seems to have

00:17:43.060 a like star

00:17:44.000 wars quality

00:17:44.980 quality to

00:17:45.860 it the

00:17:46.360 his i don't

00:17:48.160 know if he

00:17:48.400 still does

00:17:48.960 this i

00:17:49.320 remember um

00:17:50.380 uh looking

00:17:51.640 at his youtube

00:17:52.140 videos many

00:17:52.800 years ago like

00:17:53.620 during the um

00:17:54.560 the financial

00:17:55.420 collapse in 2008

00:17:56.600 2009 and he

00:17:57.540 was always

00:17:57.900 playing the

00:17:58.540 theme from

00:17:59.080 starship

00:17:59.580 troopers

00:18:00.120 this kind

00:18:01.100 you know

00:18:01.340 this like

00:18:01.660 really stirring

00:18:02.540 uh they're

00:18:03.560 like welcome

00:18:03.940 back to

00:18:04.480 info wars

00:18:05.160 um and uh

00:18:07.420 he'll often

00:18:08.220 use these

00:18:08.840 references you

00:18:09.920 know we are

00:18:10.300 the res if

00:18:10.780 you're listening

00:18:11.220 to this you

00:18:11.740 are the

00:18:12.020 resistance which

00:18:12.780 is both

00:18:13.680 like a it's

00:18:15.040 a reference to

00:18:15.640 like multiple

00:18:16.300 films like

00:18:18.020 star wars and

00:18:19.000 the terminator

00:18:19.620 like he he

00:18:20.600 has this

00:18:21.260 cartoonish you

00:18:23.240 know vision of

00:18:23.860 reality reality

00:18:24.960 basically and i

00:18:26.700 think that's

00:18:27.120 actually quite

00:18:27.820 telling this

00:18:28.660 says a lot

00:18:29.260 about what

00:18:29.820 he's doing

00:18:30.200 and the

00:18:30.440 fact that

00:18:30.840 his view

00:18:31.640 of the

00:18:31.880 world actually

00:18:32.420 really does

00:18:32.920 make good

00:18:33.420 movies um

00:18:35.440 you know in

00:18:36.300 a way that

00:18:36.760 a libertarians

00:18:37.500 wouldn't but

00:18:38.040 like if you

00:18:38.520 actually take

00:18:39.120 alex jones

00:18:39.740 seriously you're

00:18:40.420 like oh my

00:18:40.880 god this

00:18:41.240 could be an

00:18:41.620 amazing plot

00:18:42.500 for an you

00:18:43.600 know an

00:18:43.820 outlandish film

00:18:44.760 one of those

00:18:45.540 bond movies they

00:18:46.380 don't make

00:18:46.760 anymore is as

00:18:47.960 harry hart

00:18:48.380 laments

00:18:48.840 yeah no i

00:18:50.820 mean i don't i

00:18:51.700 don't disagree i

00:18:52.400 mean david

00:18:53.540 icky for example

00:18:54.580 seems to have

00:18:55.120 modeled his

00:18:55.740 worldview on

00:18:56.780 uh conan the

00:18:57.440 barbarian

00:18:58.220 or some

00:19:00.140 or some

00:19:00.660 equivalent well

00:19:01.340 no i mean i

00:19:02.420 mean i'm sure

00:19:02.900 there are

00:19:03.140 different elements

00:19:03.760 but uh um

00:19:05.360 yeah the idea

00:19:06.940 of these lizard

00:19:07.620 men is a

00:19:08.480 theme that's

00:19:09.100 in uh the

00:19:10.120 robert d

00:19:10.580 howard work

00:19:11.320 and wow

00:19:12.240 yeah but he

00:19:13.020 also um

00:19:14.780 you know he

00:19:16.480 took it from

00:19:17.180 sort of these

00:19:17.820 esoteric sources

00:19:19.040 right he was

00:19:19.840 deriving his

00:19:20.540 work from

00:19:21.260 these esoteric

00:19:22.340 sources um

00:19:24.340 so in any

00:19:26.340 case yeah i

00:19:26.940 mean i think

00:19:27.240 that there is

00:19:27.700 some element

00:19:28.140 of that

00:19:28.540 yeah yeah

00:19:29.840 but anyway

00:19:30.620 so um

00:19:32.120 so samuel

00:19:33.720 jackson richmond

00:19:34.840 valentine is

00:19:36.040 the ultimate

00:19:36.660 elitist uh

00:19:38.720 he he he's

00:19:40.180 friends with all

00:19:40.880 these billionaires

00:19:41.480 he wants to

00:19:41.960 basically save

00:19:42.660 the billionaires

00:19:43.360 he's looking

00:19:44.360 for various

00:19:45.000 celebrities and

00:19:46.380 and fellow you

00:19:47.760 know silicon

00:19:48.300 valley rich

00:19:48.960 people etc

00:19:49.660 they're gonna

00:19:50.180 all say be

00:19:51.080 saved and

00:19:52.040 he utilizes

00:19:53.000 the deep

00:19:53.460 state as

00:19:53.920 well he

00:19:54.300 finds some

00:19:54.720 parliamentarians

00:19:55.500 who you

00:19:56.340 know ultimately

00:19:56.900 don't care

00:19:57.460 about the

00:19:57.800 country and

00:19:58.520 and want to

00:19:59.620 actually do

00:20:00.360 something this

00:20:00.880 time and

00:20:01.320 and so on

00:20:02.640 and um so

00:20:04.580 he is the

00:20:05.400 ultimate elitist

00:20:06.520 and i and the

00:20:07.260 kingsmen are

00:20:08.120 you know in

00:20:08.760 their way

00:20:09.460 egalitarians

00:20:10.440 i mean i

00:20:11.400 it's it's also

00:20:12.100 telling that

00:20:13.120 you know the

00:20:14.220 these kingsmen

00:20:15.240 it's like

00:20:17.000 they they are

00:20:18.920 an expression

00:20:19.580 of something

00:20:20.600 traditional i

00:20:21.280 mean when you

00:20:21.760 you think just

00:20:22.460 the the name

00:20:23.220 itself i mean

00:20:23.880 they they

00:20:24.300 could have

00:20:24.700 named this

00:20:25.300 anything they

00:20:26.000 could have

00:20:26.340 you know i

00:20:27.220 mean it's it's

00:20:27.700 interesting that

00:20:28.240 james bond

00:20:28.980 works for mi6

00:20:30.300 which is this

00:20:30.980 you know post

00:20:31.840 world war ii

00:20:33.060 you know highly

00:20:34.700 bureaucratized you

00:20:36.920 know military

00:20:37.440 intelligence division

00:20:38.800 um whereas the

00:20:40.400 kingsmen work for

00:20:41.400 something that is

00:20:42.480 you know inherently

00:20:43.220 archaic uh they

00:20:45.420 are connected to a

00:20:46.300 king um it's you

00:20:49.240 know they are his

00:20:49.960 knights as they say

00:20:51.160 and it's almost

00:20:51.840 like they they

00:20:52.820 took a lot of

00:20:54.120 the the the

00:20:55.900 metaphors of

00:20:56.760 james bond that

00:20:57.780 are just below

00:20:58.940 the surface but

00:20:59.780 never explicit and

00:21:00.880 and they made

00:21:01.620 them explicit

00:21:02.420 sure yeah i think

00:21:04.800 that's a good

00:21:05.140 analysis yeah but

00:21:06.460 they're not fighting

00:21:07.440 for england or

00:21:08.380 they're not fighting

00:21:08.800 for a nation i

00:21:09.380 mean i don't think

00:21:09.920 they really can do

00:21:11.120 that i mean it

00:21:11.880 would be great to

00:21:12.640 have like a

00:21:13.200 kingsman fight off

00:21:14.180 the refugee crisis

00:21:15.100 or something um i

00:21:16.440 think that might be

00:21:17.320 slightly too

00:21:18.260 politically incorrect

00:21:19.100 um you know they

00:21:21.360 they always have to

00:21:22.180 find they always

00:21:22.880 have to fight

00:21:23.400 against someone

00:21:24.040 who's destroying

00:21:24.920 the world which

00:21:26.560 is the world as

00:21:27.400 it is which

00:21:28.560 they're always

00:21:29.080 defending and

00:21:30.600 so you know at

00:21:31.460 the end of the

00:21:32.120 day like you

00:21:33.860 know they're

00:21:34.460 defending the

00:21:35.740 world of mass

00:21:37.460 culture baloney

00:21:39.540 and and idiocy and

00:21:43.080 white dispossession

00:21:44.280 and so on um

00:21:45.560 they're not

00:21:46.080 defending england

00:21:47.000 and you know

00:21:49.060 they're they're

00:21:49.560 even defending

00:21:50.380 like they're even

00:21:51.840 defending the

00:21:53.080 world of like the

00:21:54.740 vulgarity that

00:21:55.720 matthew vaughn

00:21:56.720 indulges in in a

00:21:57.760 way because you

00:21:58.540 know on on one

00:21:59.440 level you know

00:22:01.040 matthew vaughn

00:22:01.900 has made this like

00:22:02.740 incredibly good

00:22:03.620 looking film and

00:22:04.620 and i you know

00:22:05.460 on like a

00:22:06.160 sartorial sense i

00:22:07.360 mean the the

00:22:08.380 suits that they

00:22:09.060 have are really

00:22:09.960 awesome uh they

00:22:11.840 actually even have

00:22:12.560 like a clothing

00:22:13.360 line based on

00:22:14.720 kingsman i don't

00:22:15.360 know if you saw

00:22:15.880 this but if you

00:22:17.260 go to mr porter

00:22:18.200 dot com which is

00:22:19.060 like a high

00:22:20.080 priced you know

00:22:21.300 men's wear place

00:22:23.100 i'll check it out

00:22:24.200 um you know on

00:22:25.500 occasion but yeah

00:22:26.300 there's like a

00:22:26.880 kingsman line so

00:22:27.980 you can buy some

00:22:29.000 of these suits you

00:22:30.360 know inspired by

00:22:31.180 the film so it

00:22:32.200 is funny you know

00:22:33.040 while other films

00:22:34.040 you know offer

00:22:35.240 happy meals you

00:22:36.160 know these guys

00:22:36.680 offer like fifteen

00:22:37.560 hundred dollar suits

00:22:38.360 but anyway uh it

00:22:40.480 it was quite uh

00:22:42.560 it's it's all

00:22:43.220 quite good

00:22:43.740 looking stuff

00:22:44.200 he's made this

00:22:45.080 like old style

00:22:46.120 you know refined

00:22:47.400 you know refined

00:22:48.580 taste really great

00:22:49.520 suits but at the

00:22:50.520 same time like he

00:22:51.380 indulges in chav

00:22:52.900 culture like big

00:22:53.980 time i mean there

00:22:54.680 there's obvious like

00:22:55.620 the end of the film

00:22:56.520 you walk out of the

00:22:57.400 film and it's like

00:22:58.040 oh eggsy gets to

00:22:59.080 eggsy gets to bum

00:23:00.680 the princess you

00:23:01.540 know which is again

00:23:02.600 i'm not saying i

00:23:03.460 don't find that

00:23:04.040 amusing on some

00:23:04.820 level but it does

00:23:05.740 like radically

00:23:07.000 undercut you know

00:23:09.360 like what he was

00:23:10.660 going for i mean

00:23:11.640 i don't maybe i

00:23:12.740 shouldn't say that

00:23:13.200 maybe that's exactly

00:23:14.040 what he was going

00:23:14.640 for um you know

00:23:16.380 it's that's just

00:23:17.080 that's something you

00:23:17.860 wouldn't really see

00:23:18.940 in a bond film

00:23:20.080 something that like

00:23:21.420 explicitly vulgar and

00:23:23.020 tasteless um and he

00:23:24.660 did it again i mean in

00:23:25.640 the in the second

00:23:26.320 kingsman there's this

00:23:27.340 you know eggsy has to

00:23:29.340 go finger a girl at

00:23:30.840 some music festival in

00:23:32.660 order to get a a um

00:23:34.980 mucous

00:23:35.760 yeah some kind of

00:23:37.780 nanobot or whatever

00:23:38.960 in this one i mean it

00:23:39.940 was just the whole

00:23:40.760 thing it was just so

00:23:41.460 clearly reverse

00:23:42.240 engineered i mean they

00:23:43.020 could have tracked that

00:23:43.860 woman in a million

00:23:44.600 different ways but they

00:23:45.660 just you know they

00:23:47.000 just created this so

00:23:47.980 that he could have

00:23:48.620 this insanely vulgar

00:23:50.160 shot where like eggsy's

00:23:51.380 fingering the girl and

00:23:52.140 then the camera like

00:23:53.020 literally goes inside

00:23:54.900 her um you know it's

00:23:57.740 just it's you know

00:23:59.560 it's it's absurd but in

00:24:01.120 some ways like that's

00:24:02.860 the that's ultimately the

00:24:04.020 world that the kingsmen

00:24:05.220 are defending like

00:24:06.100 they're not they are

00:24:07.540 staving off like

00:24:09.080 elitist globalist

00:24:10.560 madmen but they're

00:24:12.140 not actually making

00:24:14.220 englishmen better i mean

00:24:17.080 maybe they're making

00:24:18.100 eggsy a better person

00:24:19.860 but they're not making

00:24:22.780 the world a better

00:24:24.380 place they're just

00:24:25.220 continually saving it

00:24:26.660 yeah they're

00:24:27.940 conservatives they're

00:24:28.760 neocons they're

00:24:29.800 protecting the status

00:24:30.860 quo um there is um i

00:24:34.360 don't so i i don't

00:24:36.640 know if it's now

00:24:37.460 appropriate to go um

00:24:39.140 don't ask what just

00:24:40.400 go don't ask okay

00:24:41.420 okay um yeah so i

00:24:45.560 mean that that that

00:24:47.260 goes to um sort of

00:24:48.780 these uh which kind of

00:24:50.320 reoccur in both films

00:24:51.340 are these um kind of

00:24:53.800 fantasies of mass

00:24:55.220 genocide that appear

00:24:56.540 in both films where in

00:24:58.640 in the first instance

00:24:59.960 you have um you have

00:25:02.460 samuel jackson's

00:25:03.460 character um

00:25:04.640 interested in uh

00:25:07.040 you know depopulating

00:25:08.140 the earth and saving

00:25:09.240 what he refers to as

00:25:10.420 the chosen which you

00:25:11.760 know was kind of a

00:25:12.620 pretty politically

00:25:13.620 incorrect sequence in

00:25:14.620 the film yeah um

00:25:16.460 you know at some point

00:25:17.600 samuel jackson has a

00:25:18.600 speech where he's

00:25:19.560 gathered all you know

00:25:21.080 this kind of

00:25:21.860 americanized elite

00:25:23.020 comprising of

00:25:24.180 celebrities and

00:25:25.740 various others i

00:25:27.320 guess some um uh

00:25:28.940 nobility in there is

00:25:30.840 is in there as well

00:25:32.480 but kind of an elite

00:25:33.540 of people um and

00:25:35.420 he's gathered them

00:25:36.380 into this bunker um

00:25:38.000 where they they will

00:25:39.520 be saved but um the

00:25:41.640 rest of the world will

00:25:42.300 be destroyed and

00:25:43.700 during that speech uh

00:25:45.300 he refers to this

00:25:46.700 bunker as kind of a

00:25:47.800 noah's ark and

00:25:50.080 refers to the people

00:25:50.880 within the bunker who

00:25:52.040 will be saved as as

00:25:53.300 uh the chosen now

00:25:55.380 it's kind of an edgy

00:25:56.840 it's it's kind of an

00:25:58.100 edgy moment in cinema

00:25:59.640 um because everyone

00:26:01.900 associates the word

00:26:02.940 um or the phrase

00:26:04.160 rather the uh the

00:26:05.260 chosen with the jews

00:26:06.360 obviously sure so

00:26:08.060 sensibly a comparison

00:26:10.080 is being made between

00:26:11.480 uh this group that

00:26:13.060 will be saved um this

00:26:14.740 kind of uh mass

00:26:15.980 genocide uh with the

00:26:18.080 jews and um so in

00:26:21.080 some kind of uh vague

00:26:23.480 way uh demonizing jews

00:26:26.380 i mean i don't think

00:26:27.060 that that ends up kind

00:26:28.980 of being it couldn't

00:26:29.620 have gone without

00:26:30.660 notice i i would

00:26:31.980 agree with sure yeah

00:26:33.180 yeah yeah but i also

00:26:34.480 don't think that um

00:26:35.720 i think it was done in

00:26:38.320 such a way that if it

00:26:39.940 was noticed it likely

00:26:41.420 wasn't commented on

00:26:43.400 right in other words

00:26:44.880 um in any case i think

00:26:47.900 it was something that

00:26:48.480 they were able to get

00:26:49.660 away with because they

00:26:50.900 were kind of walking a

00:26:52.120 line because uh the

00:26:53.800 comparison was sort of

00:26:54.820 vague um uh for one

00:26:57.220 samuel jackson is kind

00:26:58.400 of the leader of the

00:26:59.140 group right right

00:27:00.560 sensibly they're not

00:27:02.080 jews because he's

00:27:03.340 african-american um and

00:27:06.640 uh and essentially the

00:27:08.280 people in the group are

00:27:09.380 drawn from all uh

00:27:11.200 different ethnicities i

00:27:12.420 mean probably mostly

00:27:13.520 white though it seemed

00:27:14.220 like they were mostly

00:27:14.800 white yeah um so it

00:27:19.060 was it was theoretically

00:27:20.800 kind of an edgy moment i

00:27:22.280 think that um and we you

00:27:24.760 and i had this

00:27:25.300 conversation a little

00:27:26.140 bit before i think

00:27:26.980 that um one of the

00:27:29.500 the kind of uh things

00:27:32.440 going on here is that

00:27:33.620 the chosen right um so

00:27:36.280 immediately i think that

00:27:37.300 the audience probably

00:27:38.180 most of the audience i

00:27:39.120 don't think many people

00:27:40.200 are ignorant of uh the

00:27:42.480 phrase the chosen as a

00:27:43.780 reference to jews most

00:27:45.660 of the audience um is

00:27:48.940 led to think okay well

00:27:50.160 these people who are

00:27:51.280 trying to survive are

00:27:53.080 evil ones right where

00:27:54.700 it's like the kind of

00:27:55.480 great herd of humanity

00:27:56.720 that's me those are the

00:27:58.580 good guys we're just

00:27:59.520 like kind of a big

00:28:01.140 degenerate herd we don't

00:28:02.340 really care what happens

00:28:03.400 we're going to baseball

00:28:04.580 games we've got these

00:28:05.980 like degenerate mothers

00:28:07.040 that are like you know

00:28:08.280 trying to knife through

00:28:09.080 walls to kill children

00:28:10.120 or whatever the case may

00:28:11.680 be i mean this is that's

00:28:12.980 sort of an oblique

00:28:13.580 reference unless you've

00:28:14.380 seen the film but um

00:28:16.140 so there is this kind of

00:28:19.340 um it's kind of a you

00:28:22.640 know you're setting up

00:28:23.940 uh effectively kind of

00:28:25.180 uh a false opposition

00:28:27.280 um this kind of this

00:28:29.700 egalitarian herd versus

00:28:31.600 the elitist the chosen

00:28:33.300 whether they're jews or

00:28:34.820 otherwise right and i mean

00:28:36.660 and this is a phenomena

00:28:37.580 that happens in

00:28:38.240 christianity as well

00:28:39.240 right um because i think

00:28:42.660 it would much i i and i

00:28:44.980 think this is actually the

00:28:45.800 way christianity was

00:28:46.660 designed it would much

00:28:47.880 be preferred that people

00:28:50.140 hate jews and view them

00:28:51.800 as a chosen but don't

00:28:53.640 imitate jews in believing

00:28:55.240 themselves also as

00:28:56.480 chosen right rather than

00:28:59.300 to like jews and imitate

00:29:00.860 jews or not like jews and

00:29:02.500 imitate jews right in the

00:29:04.220 sense that you're trying to

00:29:05.500 uh to uh uh create a

00:29:08.680 posterity or continuance

00:29:10.360 into the future right

00:29:11.660 right as just to reiterate

00:29:13.800 what what you were saying

00:29:15.060 yeah i mean christianity's

00:29:17.380 relationship with the jews

00:29:19.920 is deeply ambivalent to say

00:29:22.280 the least and it it can

00:29:24.020 often flip in different

00:29:25.660 ways so there certainly is

00:29:28.060 christian anti-semitism

00:29:29.980 where the jews are this

00:29:31.040 evil uh you know elite

00:29:33.520 highly nepotistic closed

00:29:35.120 off community that killed

00:29:36.600 jesus and and rejected him

00:29:39.040 and and so on um and then

00:29:40.780 there's you know the the

00:29:41.660 almost like flip side of that

00:29:43.080 which is that you know the

00:29:44.840 jews are this wonderful

00:29:45.980 chosen amazing people whom we

00:29:48.560 must protect and die for

00:29:49.860 like the christian zionism

00:29:51.100 view but at no point do

00:29:53.980 christians want to be the

00:29:55.500 jews which is the ultimate

00:29:56.820 overcoming of them and i don't

00:29:58.700 mean become the jews

00:30:00.520 literally or or or even to or

00:30:04.100 even in an exactly analogous

00:30:06.360 way in the sense of um we're

00:30:09.240 just going to be this big you

00:30:10.780 know uh secret group that you

00:30:13.280 know but just to to be the

00:30:14.480 jews in the sense that one has

00:30:16.180 a strong sense of one's

00:30:19.480 ethnic identity one lives for

00:30:22.560 one's people and one's future

00:30:24.260 that is one's children and so

00:30:26.280 on and one is willing to

00:30:28.340 ultimately rule and be an elite

00:30:30.720 it seems like the christian

00:30:32.380 message is either one of

00:30:34.020 resentment or the flip side of

00:30:35.960 resentment which is idolatry

00:30:38.180 sure and you know you know the

00:30:41.080 christian zionist the christian

00:30:42.660 zionist is just like a flip side

00:30:44.740 of the anti-semite yeah yeah

00:30:47.600 well well i mean it's it's

00:30:49.320 sort of a kind of uh uh full

00:30:51.760 spectrum psychological control

00:30:53.780 because jews are both the devil

00:30:56.480 and god right so uh so either

00:31:02.160 way you're either afraid of them

00:31:04.260 or you're worshiping them right

00:31:06.000 or you're also afraid of them

00:31:07.340 yeah you're you're afraid of

00:31:08.900 them that seems to be that's

00:31:10.000 true you're you're cowed by them

00:31:11.820 in either scenario right yeah

00:31:13.640 yeah so that's that's a

00:31:14.780 function of christianity yeah

00:31:16.660 um and also a function of

00:31:18.640 multiculturalism as the way in

00:31:20.420 the way that it's developed right

00:31:21.840 so you know so right there's one

00:31:26.540 there's one self-serving group

00:31:28.680 that's going to kill the rest of

00:31:30.360 humanity we are part of the rest

00:31:32.080 of humanity and we must stop that

00:31:34.180 group and we need to call upon you

00:31:37.860 know ruthless gentlemanly yet

00:31:40.880 cold-blooded you know knights to

00:31:43.900 protect us from this group you know

00:31:46.400 and i guess the question would be

00:31:48.320 why don't the kingsmen rule the world

00:31:52.040 you know because the kingsmen one

00:31:54.500 interesting thing about them is that

00:31:56.360 the relationships between the the

00:32:00.740 kingsmen themselves um there's a

00:32:03.860 sweetness to it all you know like

00:32:06.000 even though harry hart uh disciplines

00:32:10.100 egzy and gets disappointed in him

00:32:12.800 and so on he he has this sweet

00:32:15.760 paternalistic relationship towards

00:32:17.820 him and he wants egzy to do better

00:32:20.160 he wants to give egzy second and

00:32:21.720 third chances because he knows that

00:32:23.340 egzy has a good heart and so on and

00:32:26.520 you can see that with their relation

00:32:27.880 with roxy you know in when they're in

00:32:29.680 the this like harry potter like school

00:32:31.840 for spies you know no one's going to

00:32:33.860 ultimately die you know it's it's all

00:32:35.700 about teaching life lessons not not

00:32:38.300 only will none of the the kingsmen

00:32:39.740 actually die um because all of the the

00:32:42.740 um the the the scenarios they have like

00:32:45.340 flooding the the the bedroom with um

00:32:48.740 water or dropping them out of a plane

00:32:51.080 without a parachute or whatever all of

00:32:52.780 those are ultimately fake trials no one's

00:32:54.740 going to die you don't even have to

00:32:55.880 truly kill the dog you just have to be

00:32:57.940 willing to do that for the greater

00:32:59.840 good but you don't ultimately have to

00:33:01.840 you get to eat your cake and and eat

00:33:03.880 it too um and so the question is if

00:33:06.980 these people are so wonderful and

00:33:08.780 needless to say they are better people

00:33:11.440 than uh you know richmond valentine's

00:33:14.740 company or or this like the golden

00:33:16.940 circle which is just a bunch of you

00:33:19.100 know trashy insane sociopaths uh

00:33:23.040 clearly they are better than them why

00:33:25.020 don't they rule the world as opposed to

00:33:27.400 you know constantly you know saving the

00:33:31.260 world from one crisis one madman after

00:33:33.840 another um why don't they rule it and

00:33:37.180 in that does get to some kind of like

00:33:39.280 ultimate impotence with the kingsmen or

00:33:42.120 the statesmen or i mean to put it another

00:33:45.040 way why don't they make the world sort

00:33:46.500 of in their image right yeah um because i

00:33:50.100 guess in a sense they do rule the world

00:33:51.940 in the sense that they protect it and

00:33:54.340 they continue right and it's you know in

00:33:56.360 its kind of uh degenerate form um yeah

00:34:00.380 no i mean these are all these are all

00:34:02.900 valid questions why are they always

00:34:04.600 hiding because i mean this is something

00:34:06.300 that you brought up when we were just

00:34:08.600 chatting about this film before we

00:34:10.220 started recording but you know it's it's

00:34:12.620 like you know on one level and this goes

00:34:16.360 for james bond as well and this this gets

00:34:18.120 to some interesting themes i mean on one

00:34:20.140 level bond or the kingsmen are totally

00:34:24.000 ostentatious you know you can't they're

00:34:26.520 not going to exactly blend in to a crowd

00:34:28.980 when they have these fine tailored suits

00:34:31.980 and are using all these you know archaic

00:34:34.160 accoutrement you know classic umbrellas

00:34:38.760 and you know these designer eyeglasses and

00:34:41.800 all this kind of stuff um you know but on

00:34:44.780 another level they're hidden i mean they

00:34:46.520 are spies you know i mean like you know the

00:34:49.520 the joke about james bond i mean you have

00:34:51.420 this you know charismatic they're kind of

00:34:54.260 you know somewhat byronic but also

00:34:56.320 charismatic figure who everyone knows his

00:34:59.180 name at every hotel across europe or

00:35:01.200 something like and yet he's a spy it's

00:35:03.600 like you know i think george smiley would

00:35:06.260 be a better spy obviously because no no

00:35:08.180 one notices him when he enters or leaves

00:35:10.460 a room no one notices yeah but uh but but

00:35:14.660 anyway they they have this like their

00:35:16.900 ostentations on on one level but at the on

00:35:19.360 another level it's all secret like what

00:35:21.920 they represent can't be brought out into

00:35:24.760 the open no i mean what you're touching

00:35:27.640 on is a very important theme and it's uh and

00:35:30.480 it is kind of the irony of these james

00:35:33.240 james bond films and this film as well is

00:35:37.480 that um they are ultimately these thonic

00:35:40.720 figures right and they're not apollonian in

00:35:44.240 the sense that they're not openly ruling

00:35:46.120 right and in fact then their name kingsman

00:35:49.220 is a very ironic name um because in some

00:35:52.800 sense they're not kingsman because the king

00:35:55.820 is kind of uh the ultimate apollonian

00:35:58.660 figure in the sense that he rules openly

00:36:01.260 he doesn't rule secretly and that's why you

00:36:04.420 know that's why in in this kind of very

00:36:07.600 difficult period of uh the middle ages kings

00:36:09.660 were getting killed all the time right

00:36:11.640 uh because they were openly taking power and

00:36:15.800 accepting the responsibility of power right

00:36:18.680 right uh in a uh so-called democratic age the

00:36:22.560 age in which we live now um people don't

00:36:25.620 accept responsibilities uh or they don't accept

00:36:28.720 the responsibility for power um right they

00:36:32.400 wield it but they don't accept the

00:36:33.620 responsibility for power and they avoid in

00:36:36.000 this way they avoid uh uh the danger of power

00:36:40.260 in a lot of cases um but it it makes men uh

00:36:46.500 sort of dishonest not courageous i mean i

00:36:49.720 think in some sense it probably to wield uh

00:36:53.260 world power in the way that people do wield

00:36:55.400 world power they should declare themselves kings

00:36:58.060 say you know i'm your ruler this i'm the king

00:37:00.900 you know i mean and in this way um we would

00:37:07.360 have models that we could look to who were

00:37:09.780 courageous people who you know who could stand

00:37:13.160 behind every kind of decision they make and

00:37:16.020 take responsibility for every decision they

00:37:18.040 make right you know i mean it's not uh

00:37:21.100 nietzsche says that every um and this is true

00:37:24.880 it's as much of what he says is true um that

00:37:27.860 every uh society is a oligarchy and that was no

00:37:31.560 less true when uh kings were ruling us right or

00:37:35.680 ostensibly ruling us um really what determines the

00:37:39.960 character of a society is the nature of that

00:37:42.520 oligarchy and the character of that oligarchy

00:37:44.640 yeah um but yeah and uh i think that um that is a

00:37:52.060 very uh interesting point and it's it's a point

00:37:54.900 that it also applies to it applies to 007 it applies to

00:37:58.360 kingsman it also applies it applies to another

00:38:00.820 alt-right favorite uh batman right yeah so

00:38:05.220 who's who's both apollonian and phonic i mean in his

00:38:09.620 apollonian sense he's bruce bruce wayne you know

00:38:12.380 good looking philanthropist good looking um in some

00:38:16.360 variations he's good with the ladies and some not

00:38:18.720 but then he's obviously the ultimate phonic character in

00:38:22.380 the sense that he he operates as this like

00:38:24.700 you know dark vampiric uh you know he's almost like a

00:38:32.920 you know hades like figure you know operating in the

00:38:36.780 night you only see him you know you can only see his

00:38:39.020 eyes glowing from the corner i mean he becomes a devil

00:38:42.680 like figure sure and that's the only way he can operate

00:38:46.720 i mean the reference to uh vampires is explicit obviously

00:38:50.460 batman yeah um and the aesthetic the setting is gothic it's

00:38:55.820 gotham right so he's sort of he inhabits uh gotham as a

00:39:00.060 kind of gargoyle um so yeah so he actually takes on the

00:39:05.320 ugly appearance of uh this sort of degenerated setting of

00:39:09.080 gotham yeah rather and hides this sort of elevated

00:39:12.900 apollonian appearance in existence that exists kind of in a secret world

00:39:18.000 that he occupies among a kind of a social elite

00:39:21.280 or whatever the case may be yeah um so he ultimately

00:39:25.580 is not helping i mean he ultimately is a phonic figure

00:39:30.220 that he's that has carved up carved out a kind of a vampiric existence

00:39:35.320 in a in a decadent setting right right

00:39:39.320 um so yeah no i mean these are all interesting points um

00:39:44.460 what what is the the deeper like mythic background to

00:39:51.400 uh to this manners maketh the man it's it's the pygmalion

00:39:57.660 myth basically um is there's a george bernard shaw play called pygmalion

00:40:03.440 which um is the basis for very famous musical my fair lady uh which is

00:40:09.300 referenced explicitly in um in kingsman and uh it is this notion i mean it's

00:40:16.020 it's a it's a notion it's a very cynical notion and and a very

00:40:19.160 you could say like cynical leftist notion as well

00:40:22.920 that classes are all bullshit um all class really is is um is you know

00:40:32.380 obviously the money but then just a series of manners that one can put on like

00:40:37.320 putting on a cloak or take off um and that you know um harry hart uh or

00:40:43.960 you know professor higgins can just create an aristocrat you know

00:40:49.880 out of a plebe just to amuse himself in

00:40:53.940 professor higgins's case and harry hart's case in order to save the world

00:40:57.820 um but that that one can kind of create a human being like a statue

00:41:04.680 but i mean again that that's almost like a greater that's like a more positive

00:41:09.240 quality quality to it um the more negative quality to it is this

00:41:13.900 you know again cynical leftist view of the elite

00:41:16.880 as all a bunch of you know mannered fops

00:41:20.500 um but it's it's almost like harry hart or kingsman it wants to

00:41:25.900 take that egalitarian critique and and kind of turn it on its head and say yeah

00:41:30.280 this is the great thing like we can all become

00:41:32.480 but not all i don't know what what do you make of this

00:41:35.820 no i mean on one level it's a uh uh you know a

00:41:41.060 a cultural determinist view right so he can be

00:41:44.500 it's not really about sartorial determinist

00:41:48.400 yeah and it's in it's not a uh implicitly it's a not a um

00:41:55.860 a geneticist view though he is white i mean

00:41:59.900 he is white and everyone in kingsman's white

00:42:03.100 that's true though the changes in the second film

00:42:07.360 or at least in the uh they're sort of uh american edition that we'll talk about

00:42:12.040 yeah um but yeah so i would say look i mean i think that it's

00:42:16.660 it's an important topic to have i mean there is also uh they also say

00:42:21.260 at one point in the film they talk about how the aristocracy declined

00:42:25.440 and they all at some point they all got weak chins is how they put it in the film

00:42:29.260 yeah um look i mean that's all kind of real phenomena

00:42:32.900 right yeah so um we so

00:42:36.600 you know in uh the greeks have this wonderful myth

00:42:41.340 about hercules now hercules i don't you know he is a half mortal

00:42:47.420 um he so he's only half descended i believe he uh zeus is his father

00:42:52.360 yeah uh so he's only half descended from the gods

00:42:55.300 um so as a consequence he lives his life

00:43:01.060 performing these trials right and at the beginning of his life

00:43:05.320 um harrah hopes to kill him now ostensibly this is because she's jealous

00:43:09.940 because uh zeus is uh produces offspring but

00:43:13.160 there might be another kind of level there um

00:43:16.820 where it's you might see it as kind of aristocracy

00:43:20.480 competing with uh you know sort of a rising or a nascently rising

00:43:25.120 group that is not necessarily of a founding stock for example

00:43:29.340 right and um so through these trials he's finally admitted

00:43:35.340 he's one of the few heroes he might even be the only hero as far as i know

00:43:39.260 that's admitted um to olympus

00:43:41.240 and um so while we all you know we all believe in the in the power of heredity

00:43:50.880 heredity i don't think anyone the all right does not not believe in the power of

00:43:55.120 heredity and this sort of overwhelming power of

00:43:58.280 heredity we also know we also believe in the power of culture

00:44:01.980 obviously otherwise we wouldn't be offended by the

00:44:05.100 uh the complete garbage culture that we live in today

00:44:08.980 right um yeah because we know that the culture has a kind of breeding effect

00:44:13.780 on the people that inhabit the society right so culture in that way does determine

00:44:21.100 right it determines uh to some extent or another actually to a huge extent i would

00:44:25.760 say determines breeding choices right sure um so so yeah i mean it's a very

00:44:33.280 important and and and so the kind of oligarchies uh whether

00:44:40.880 they were called um monarchies uh or aristocracies

00:44:46.020 they you know there's never really been anything

00:44:50.340 called a meritocracy i mean that's never existed there's no such thing as a

00:44:55.160 merit meritocracy or pure meritocracy per se

00:44:58.020 um in in the way that you know democracy is not

00:45:02.000 really it doesn't really describe anything uh

00:45:05.100 or any in any kind of finite way it doesn't really describe it

00:45:08.580 democracy is a very different thing than a meritocracy like in theory it is it is

00:45:13.480 it is um but i mean you'll often you'll often hear uh jews for example talk about

00:45:18.980 you know one of the the great things about um the decline of the wasp

00:45:24.520 establishment was kind of the rise of this meritocracy right now we know that's

00:45:30.020 absolute horseshit i mean it's we don't live in any more of a meritocracy now than

00:45:35.360 we lived in then right um that all that has changed is a kind of

00:45:41.720 criteria especially a kind of outlook um that around uh that um by which people

00:45:49.820 are are allowed to kind of rise in this meritocracy

00:45:52.680 yeah all that's changed is who and whom sure and it but the ethnic nepotism that

00:45:58.800 existed before exists now it's arguably it's much stronger now

00:46:03.120 yeah um so so the idea of a meritocracy is something that's both you know describes

00:46:11.680 something very nebulous but it's also something that's always existed through

00:46:16.020 all time you know i mean people if you had a

00:46:19.700 kind of in in ancient europe you had a ruling

00:46:23.120 sort of arian group come in and you know conquer whatever natives were

00:46:26.680 or whatever the case may be um they would be interested in people that could do

00:46:31.960 things that were valuable to them right while still well still retaining a sense

00:46:36.520 of their blood and ancestry and and realizing that on some level they were

00:46:40.740 superior to the group that they had conquered right yeah um and so exceptions

00:46:46.040 are always made right and now the the question is how far do you take that right

00:46:53.700 and and i don't think you you have to take it necessarily that far

00:46:58.140 but i mean the where we take it the alt-right is my understanding is we we we extend that to all

00:47:08.000 europeans right right um so i mean i guess that's kind of that's how that sort of this that kind of

00:47:17.740 implicit um conflict that arises in uh kingsmen that's how i would characterize it or that's how i would

00:47:24.620 encourage people to think about it um yeah no i mean like i said i mean i think there are some

00:47:31.680 interesting themes embedded in the film that um that are worth kind of discussing or that are valuable

00:47:38.480 as discussions on their own you know the the other remark too that was kind of in this vein of

00:47:43.880 cultural determinism was uh there was this uh hemingway quote um that heart says to eggsy and it's uh

00:47:52.700 i just looked it up uh there's nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man true nobility

00:47:57.980 is being superior to your former self it's a great quote yeah it's a great quote uh the first sentence

00:48:04.280 is false though uh the second sentence is great yeah true i mean sure we should be seeking to improve

00:48:11.800 ourselves and right becoming a kind of sort of the best form of ourselves that we possibly can be

00:48:17.560 um there's nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man though is false on its face that's

00:48:23.160 nobility nobility is defined by being superior to someone effectively right right um so but you know

00:48:32.320 i do think the second part of that quote though is is valuable yes yeah we need to be the best form

00:48:38.520 of ourselves that we possibly can be right obviously the first half is is utterly um stupid and makes no

00:48:46.280 sense but i i would say maybe the from from a a certain kind of nietzschean perspective we could

00:48:51.840 say that you know becoming noble is a a personal project you know we we have to become in control of

00:48:59.800 ourselves we have to present ourselves as worthy of rule um that this is what it means to become noble

00:49:08.880 um you know even if we don't achieve ultimate power you know this is how we should act and how we should

00:49:18.240 view this project yes no and it's especially relevant in decadent times right yeah because we don't act

00:49:26.620 there is actually no nobility now right right so yes we have to be noble you know it's the uh it's

00:49:34.360 yaki's uh culture bearing stratum right it's down to us it's you know a couple of guys you and like

00:49:41.580 enoch and whatever we're the culture bearing stratum right and we're gonna rely on mike enoch for the

00:49:48.860 future of nobility we're

00:49:50.520 we i wouldn't underestimate i think i know i'm just yeah i'm uh i'm poking fun at him of course

00:49:59.240 and um well we all we all deserve that barb um oh yeah and i think that uh i think that um

00:50:07.900 all this is good it's gonna work out in my opinion uh we're all sort of just now finding ourselves in

00:50:16.380 the dark right so yeah um we we are the kind of that we are is kind of absurd and delusional as it

00:50:26.580 seems to say we are kind of a nascent aristocracy you know what we build what we save and what we

00:50:32.940 build and what we form especially is going to be the future because there is no other future

00:50:39.240 you know the future is is being kind of systematically destroyed by everyone else

00:50:44.680 right right so yeah so in that way we're kind of the seed and i mean to to extent i mean there

00:50:53.680 are men among us right now who are kind of these kingsmen in the sense that they uh they might be

00:50:58.480 donating to mpi or they might be um you know in the shadows assisting in ways that are not

00:51:05.180 apollonian in the manner that you are i mean that that is kind of your function you're kind of the uh

00:51:10.580 you are and i don't mean to give you a big head but you are or at least the idealized cinema form

00:51:16.940 of richard spencer is the apollonian version of the kingsmen right you're out there and frankly

00:51:23.480 more people have to get out there obviously but the people that are not out there should be

00:51:32.600 you're you're the machine gunners right now war will one was a bad scene and was completely dysgenic

00:51:38.880 but if you can imagine richard running with a fucking bayonet across the field you're the machine

00:51:44.700 gunner so you got to start laying down the fire and that that means donating money to these worthy

00:51:49.840 causes you know i mean whether it's you know enoch or richard or whoever yeah yeah i agree

00:51:55.760 i agree oh well you know the other thing i was going to say too is um this film is about looking good

00:52:06.340 right which is a very good and we've already talked about this a little bit uh in the idea of

00:52:10.720 the apollonian it's about looking good and you know i'm not one necessarily to talk because my

00:52:17.860 position might be a little different than yours but you guys need to fucking look good i i was telling

00:52:23.800 richard the other day that you know if he had 60 guys in suits like they're wearing in the film

00:52:29.260 it would be like it would be like cortez against the aztecs yeah i mean it's really that simple

00:52:36.660 because the we're in degenerate conditions which are terrible but that means that everyone is

00:52:42.400 effectively soft as well and that's what people need to start realizing right that we you know if

00:52:49.180 we just become sort of something closer to what our ancestors were but kind of refined by all the

00:52:57.420 knowledge that we have now um you know it's going to be a joke it's going to be a joke in my opinion

00:53:05.220 you know i'm saying um because there aren't really other powers out there that are kind of worthy of

00:53:12.100 contesting us on a psychological level right right because we're getting at something very deep and

00:53:18.020 we're sort of we're kind of what people want to be if once they start becoming honest with themselves

00:53:23.640 right so if they if they start seeing kind of an improved image in the alt-right you know when you go

00:53:31.720 to these events to support richard i mean obviously you know dress well don't dress don't bring your

00:53:37.600 fedoras don't dress like an idiot obviously but you know seriously right i mean and you know and if

00:53:44.520 you need some tips talk to richard i mean honestly and but i think that that is part of and i think

00:53:51.060 also i don't want to steal your thunder so you can pick up at any point when i just start this

00:53:56.240 description though but it's it's also a part of making uh the exterior as noble as the interior

00:54:02.820 right yeah exactly this this is a very important point and you know i there are lots of like modern

00:54:11.580 stereotypes or myths that we have that that i that that actually are quite destructive i mean

00:54:17.140 one of them is of the dumb blonde i think that's a very interesting one um and uh another one is of

00:54:24.360 the nerd and that basically the only type of person who is you know admirably intelligent

00:54:31.980 is socially awkward and almost extreme in his knowledge and skills you know it's like it's not

00:54:41.600 the renaissance man that is that is you know and i don't mean that in the sense of oh he's a dilettante

00:54:48.060 he's mediocre at everything no i mean in the sense of someone who really can do it all um that's not

00:54:54.160 our ideal for in terms of intelligence our ideal intelligence is the nerd the einstein the urkel

00:55:00.480 and so on it's it's the person with this just you know this bloated you know abilities in one area

00:55:08.120 and totally you know athrapied abilities in every other one and um that is the vision i i think it

00:55:16.040 probably there probably actually is even a jewish history to this vision of intelligence of the the

00:55:22.600 expert or the scientist as as uh adhering to a certain kind of you know jewish nebbish quality

00:55:29.640 um as opposed to the you know more aristocrat you know aristocratic uh apollonian qualities of uh

00:55:38.840 of of europeans uh but yeah it's it's like there's we we assume this dichotomy between

00:55:47.480 intelligence and appearance and it that and that that probably gets back to that dichotomy between

00:55:55.260 you know oh you know which is again it's a very christian myth of like oh you know they're ugly on

00:56:00.360 the outside but what a good soul this person has um but no i mean we the way we should view things is

00:56:08.460 that people should be beautiful on the inside and the outside i mean there should be a continuity and

00:56:13.580 direct equation between one's outer appearance and one's inner character and the the kingsmen for

00:56:23.140 all their faults and and for all the the movies faults and for all the movies kind of vulgar moments

00:56:27.720 um it does actually present that i mean the the kingsmen aren't duplicitous dissemblers you know in

00:56:35.860 their top hats and pinstripes i mean they they are ultimately noble-souled people um and and we

00:56:43.580 definitely should try to create that you know equation again yeah no i mean i in i you know i agree a

00:56:52.480 hundred percent with what you're saying uh it's the apollonian verse these more specialized types

00:56:57.360 effectively yeah um and what has happened in our culture is that um uh intelligence has become

00:57:04.420 riven from masculinity uh it's become riven from fashion um all these things and these are these

00:57:11.680 have had a devastating effect on us right um we need to become more these sort of polymathic types

00:57:19.340 these well-rounded i mean even the expression all-american all-american used to mean a guy who

00:57:25.460 was both good at sports and a guy who was a good uh you know student uh intelligent athletic good-looking

00:57:32.540 we want all these attributes these actually are uh requisite attributes for survival this is right

00:57:39.480 this is our type right um so this is the type that we have to kind of redesign in a way right um and

00:57:48.540 so that's part of our project and um the other thing i was going to say just to put it in kind of a

00:57:56.240 less heady a shorter term way um is there's a kind of wonderful metaphor that emerges in the film

00:58:03.640 where they uh refer to the suit that the guy's wearing as a suit of armor right and he's so the

00:58:13.220 kingsmen each of the kingsmen receives a suit right and there's a metaphor that the kingsmen

00:58:18.440 became tailors they went into the uh the clothing business um and they they give all their knights

00:58:25.880 as they call them uh or their agents they give them these suits and the metaphor they use in the

00:58:31.660 film is the each suit is a suit of armor right right now that's entirely the case right so and that's

00:58:38.560 how in just in a kind of utilitarian if you want to think about it in an entirely utilitarian manner

00:58:43.640 because i'm sure look there are plenty of guys out there who are you know intelligent guys that

00:58:48.960 are in the alt-right uh who are just like you know what i it seems a little elitist whatever i just

00:58:55.860 want to do whatever the fuck you know whatever yeah you guys need to get your shit together is what i'm

00:59:00.460 saying the suit of armor no no seriously the suit of armor is a perfect metaphor right right so if you

00:59:08.540 look good people don't fucking give a shit i mean the fact is our ideas are irrelevant to most people

00:59:16.580 they're relevant to us we're kind of the brain as it were of the movement so the brain is going to

00:59:22.400 value ideas right but the rest of the body doesn't value ideas it values commands and the way that the

00:59:29.580 commands are sent are by images right right so we need to send that image to the rest of the body

00:59:36.780 the rest of the body is going to get the fuck up that's how you do it you know i mean so it's all

00:59:41.620 it's not all about image obviously we need the ideas we have the ideas now we have to start

00:59:47.720 transmitting the ideas in the form of images right and one of those images if you're an activist

00:59:54.740 is looking good right now if that means you know and i you know you you guys are are walking down

01:00:03.480 an aesthetic which is great but at some point that aesthetic needs to be suits in my opinion

01:00:08.160 you just need to have suits right it needs to be at least 50 core guys with suits and then people

01:00:14.560 will be like what the fuck these guys are so badass honestly you know because who else is going to do

01:00:21.200 that out there no one is going to do that in fact explicitly the whole egalitarian anti-white thing

01:00:29.280 is against that aesthetic in that look yeah so they actually won't even have an answer for it i mean

01:00:34.360 they couldn't get 10 guys i mean they could probably get some of the neocon guys like

01:00:38.420 a from or whatever to get on a suit you get yeah to their credit in a way i i think it's also it's

01:00:45.080 extremely telling about silicon valley i mean what is the uniform for silicon valley you know mark

01:00:51.520 zuckerberg it's it's literally flip flops jeans and a t-shirt and even you know like the apple

01:01:00.780 executives who who dress up you know they they they don't wear much more beyond a sport shirt that's

01:01:09.160 about as dressy as they present themselves you know when they're presenting an image of themselves to

01:01:14.160 the world and sometimes they'll dress up like they look like they're working out or something you know

01:01:18.200 it's like a uh some kind of synthetic you know like workout clothing or something it it's never

01:01:25.460 they they never want want to present themselves as an elite i mean i guess we're returning to that

01:01:30.960 that um dichotomy where it's like the contemporary global elite wants to present itself as either

01:01:38.120 invisible or as effectually democratic or even prole you know yeah and there there's a there's an

01:01:45.880 need for ultimately an elite i mean maybe we'll have to act like this i mean there there isn't a

01:01:51.060 there is a phonic element to what we're doing where we we need to present ourselves as we need we need

01:01:56.580 to hide our power levels so to speak we need to present ourselves as toothless but then you know at

01:02:01.520 the at the end of the day we need there needs to be an elite that presents itself as an elite yes yes

01:02:08.280 and i think that um the advantage of that at least on the street level right uh which is where we have

01:02:14.980 greater access um is it will just it'll create a profound contrast between you and your adversaries

01:02:21.220 right you're wearing suits these guys are you know dressed like ninjas or whatever the fuck they're

01:02:26.600 doing you know i mean and it the aesthetic difference between the two i mean you'll immediately win

01:02:34.460 the support of uh you know of the public yeah it will be like yeah those guys are good looking guys

01:02:41.060 they're dressed well that's all i need to know that's all they need to know that's all they've

01:02:46.380 ever needed to know i hate to break it to you you know i mean all these ideas that you love i mean the

01:02:52.400 great idea is to share with one another and to cultivate and develop um but when the rubber hits

01:02:59.060 the road you know uh i mean in fact the only place where they're sort of maintaining the suits and stuff

01:03:05.940 is with the is in the news media right the news media is dying yeah the news media is in the

01:03:12.640 political class is dying too because the people that i mean you know the people that don't think

01:03:19.540 they're full of shit at this point are all boomers right yeah um so both the political class and the

01:03:25.820 mainstream media are dying those guys are wearing suits i think you need to grab those suits at some

01:03:30.560 point is is my feeling um but that not to counter signal your point that like i think that there

01:03:36.520 we need to be it needs to be we need to be moving on all platforms and in all shapes and forms right

01:03:43.200 so if someone has developed a different aesthetic or is looking for another approach it's fine by me

01:03:50.120 right you know it's not i'm just saying that there also needs to be people who are gathering you know

01:03:56.380 and in defense of mike enoch whom i poked fun at earlier uh maybe there needs to be a little bit of

01:04:04.060 both going on maybe we have to reach people where they are a little a little bit in the sense of

01:04:09.960 being more relaxed and down to earth you know his you know his you know his mike's uniform like when

01:04:17.040 we've done public appearances mike's uniform is you know like jeans and an eddie bauer vest and a

01:04:22.640 sport shirt or something he wears a jacket i think he wears a jacket right he has worn a

01:04:26.240 jacket as well yeah and then then my aesthetic is the um the suit uh so and not a boring black suit

01:04:34.200 like you see in washington all these boxy black suits like you see all these doofuses wearing

01:04:38.020 well yeah but one that has color and character to it yeah i'm describing this as a development

01:04:43.240 right so and i agree with you 100 i mean what mike is doing over um trs is really amazing in a lot of

01:04:51.420 ways but he you know so the way i think about it is kind of moving from the dionesian to the apollonian

01:04:59.220 yeah and that's what nietzsche describes he describes how the apollonian always rises um from the dionesian

01:05:07.080 and vice versa of course yeah um so i think that so he's sort of in some sense he's in this dionesiac

01:05:15.180 realm in the sense that he's making these vulgar jokes right it's a keck keck is like a totem of

01:05:21.580 dionises effectively yeah definitely right he's a chaos god he's clearly a dionesian figure yeah

01:05:26.300 and um and that's good that's how people you you do you have to go where people are right you have

01:05:33.520 to talk to them where they are you don't want to seem like a stuffed shirt you want to seem like

01:05:37.640 the guy uh you know you you cultivate the kind of bar room or uh locker room sort of camaraderie

01:05:46.440 yeah so but i see that as stage one right i see that as stage one and then you realize we have

01:05:55.660 fucking work to do right yeah to do work you put on a suit and you go to the job that's what people

01:06:01.720 used to do right and um everyone everyone's ancestor right in the 1920s you look at photos

01:06:08.420 everyone's wearing a suit right um so i think at some point it has to go in that direction

01:06:13.420 right now we're in this kind of you know i think the dionesian is is great for kind of the recruitment

01:06:19.740 phase of this but we're also in the process of cultivating men in the way that you know heart

01:06:26.140 is cultivating egzy in these films right right so we're we're seeing if some of these uh shavs work

01:06:32.620 out right so and sounding out the shavs with the tuning fork to see if they uh uh they can uh make

01:06:43.640 some noise um yeah yeah absolutely i i totally uh i totally agree um let let's uh let me do this

01:06:50.720 just to bring this to a to a head let's oh did you want to oh good please did you want to talk

01:06:58.760 at all about the second film uh where we see kind of these contrasting types of the american type and

01:07:05.180 the english type or were you yeah we can do that all right go on that all right yeah yeah so in the

01:07:12.720 film uh they're kind of or in the second film at least there emerges this uh two characters the um

01:07:18.500 or actually two branches of uh a super organization of which kingsman is one and i think

01:07:25.920 kingsman is the founding yeah element of the super organization and the other arm of the super

01:07:31.780 organization is called the statesman and they're based in america and uh all the the men in that um

01:07:38.860 in that section are kind of these sort of american these sort of mythic american stereotypes of these

01:07:46.080 kind of macho uh you know rural american types and they're contrasted with these aristocratic

01:07:52.540 english types or relatively aristocratic i should say english types and uh and so the film plays a lot

01:07:59.680 on kind of the cast uh the um the contrast between these two types and my my remarks to richard earlier

01:08:09.160 when we were discussing the film is that um i mean they both both types have their strengths um sure

01:08:16.320 the american type is a kind of robust masculine type and i think that that's valuable um the english type

01:08:23.940 is a less robust ostensibly less masculine type but is more a refined and mannered type and i don't

01:08:31.760 think again it i don't think these things are mutually exclusive right so i think that in other words we

01:08:37.540 could be reaching toward uh a kind of uh developing of a kind of ideal apollonian type among these sort

01:08:45.780 of uh now kind of fragmentary and disparate european types including the american european and uh

01:08:53.380 i that's sort of the direction our conversation went before but yeah i mean i think it's an interesting

01:08:59.060 contrast it's made i think it you know obviously it's a caricature and the uh the present-day american

01:09:06.060 a lot of his masculinity is is a kind of pseudo masculinity a lot of it is kind of squandered

01:09:12.240 on watching sports like a disgusting asshole uh and a lot of it is squandered on you know i think that

01:09:19.500 one of i i mean to a certain extent because i did listen to your conversation your last conversation when

01:09:25.080 you were talking about sports um i i am a proponent of sports um in kind of the uh you know the the

01:09:33.540 grecian roman greco sense of that where we are engaged in physical sports and i mean i think

01:09:39.880 skiing is a fine sport um but i think that all the sports uh that were practiced by our ancestors are

01:09:46.740 are also fine sports including some of the sports that will end up giving people uh you know uh

01:09:53.920 concussions and head damage like i like i don't for me that's a feature not a bug yes i like i don't

01:10:01.620 i'm less concerned like i think that we'll always have kind of these risk-taking male types

01:10:08.660 who want to be involved in sports where they're willing to kind of put everything on the line

01:10:13.500 or what like the uh um mixed martial arts i mean we could say it's an entirely inhumane thing but i

01:10:18.960 think it does there is it does sort of i think it continues this kind of flame of masculinity in our

01:10:24.820 race like these sports like you know yeah so this was my feeling towards kingsman as a as a bond fan

01:10:36.020 you could say someone who's oh i i really like fleming's novels i like most of the films um i've

01:10:44.000 you know bond is something that i've been in a way obsessed with for my life i mean it's a

01:10:49.420 um i i got into it when i was like i don't know like 10 or 12 or something like that we uh richard

01:10:55.440 we know we know we know i don't need to go into it uh so this film is remarkable in the sense that

01:11:05.640 it is both it's it's it's a it's not just both it's many things it is a pastiche of the bond films

01:11:14.300 it is in a way a critique of them as well a critique of them on multiple levels i mean any

01:11:20.480 time you do satire it's it's inherently a critique even if it's just simply to point out the ridiculousness

01:11:26.920 of the whole bond world and and that's you know ripe for criticism obviously uh but it was also a

01:11:33.680 critique you know at another level in the sense that you could tell that matthew vaughn

01:11:39.120 once different bond films you know there there's a moment where um there's a moment uh where uh harry

01:11:47.600 hart is speaking with richmond valentine and they talk about their favorite you know bond films you

01:11:53.200 know did you watch any of those old bye movies you know in his cernovich like accent and uh and harry

01:12:01.040 hart says oh i i loved the old ones where they had these you know outlandish plot and colorful villains

01:12:06.920 these megalomaniacs trying to take over the world and so on and clearly matthew vaughn is criticizing

01:12:13.080 the daniel craig era of the bond movies and what he's basically saying is that everything has become

01:12:19.740 personal daniel craig's bond has taken you know the the brooding angry aspect of of the the actual

01:12:27.920 james bond character which is definitely there and kind of turned it to 11 and dispensed with

01:12:32.340 the more flamboyant or or you know witty aspects of it that were turned up to 11 in the more air

01:12:40.320 the roger more air and um so what he's basically saying is these these movies aren't fun anymore and

01:12:46.800 there's nothing the big things are at stake aren't at stake anymore and so you know it's it's all about

01:12:53.560 these personal vendettas now so you know bond you know bond gets caught up in some poker match or bond

01:13:00.720 you know someone wants to kill him because m allowed him to get tortured in a previous

01:13:05.140 you know decade or something like that anyway they're they're not nothing's really at stake and

01:13:09.900 so what matthew vaughn did is that he recreated moonraker and he's kind of he recreated moonraker

01:13:16.060 in two films uh basically and that is this end times you know extreme megalomaniac in the case of

01:13:23.500 moonraker uh the film which is based on a book uh the book the person is a as a an actual neo-nazi who's

01:13:31.920 desiring to send rockets on london and get revenge and the film they they they they take that core

01:13:39.340 concept and they dilate it you know to the point that he's he's literally in a space satellite and

01:13:47.800 he is going he's a kind of nazi not literally but but metaphorically in the sense that he he wants to

01:13:54.580 depopulate the entire earth while maintaining the ecological balance of plants and animals and

01:13:59.860 and recreate a super race uh it's actually a multi-racial super race so there would be

01:14:05.360 you know the the um the japanese and africans and so on but it's very clear thank god yeah but it's very

01:14:13.760 clear that you know whites will rule and they will look up to the heavens and know that there is order

01:14:19.760 in the universe once again i mean it's these bold pronouncements um and roger moore of course thwarts

01:14:26.720 this um you know once again it's probably what everyone wants though yeah i know well that's part

01:14:33.620 of it you have to secretly you know you have to secretly sympathize with the villain for it to work

01:14:39.080 you know you have to love the villain the movie is only as good as the villain and when the villain

01:14:43.200 is just some kind of weirdo out for revenge it really does lose a lot and so i so anyway he's

01:14:49.140 critiquing the bond franchise i think he's pushing showing a way forward like i don't know what bond

01:14:54.880 is going to do now because it's been you know the films that are more fun and outlandish and wacky

01:15:02.300 even like kingsman how are having more cultural impact than at least the last bond film specter which

01:15:11.120 which was a bit of a dud i mean it's not a terrible film but it got away from the bond

01:15:16.600 elements it actually got away from it pretty seriously even to the point where bond isn't

01:15:22.040 willing to kill blofeld at the end which is totally out of character um and and the fact that you know

01:15:29.020 blofeld didn't escape you know his downfall you know they're you know calling in a bathos sub or

01:15:35.180 something like that but anyway um yeah so that's what this is about but it it also gets at those

01:15:42.020 you know again it it gets it i i do it gets it something true which is and this goes back to what

01:15:48.020 i was talking about at the beginning of the podcast which is that bond is at his best these bond movies

01:15:53.200 are are at their best when they show us something that scares us about the real world and they they let

01:16:00.540 us indulge in in in a kind of way out of that and so as i was saying in the beginning you know look

01:16:07.880 i don't obviously i don't like i would never agree to richmond valentine's plan um and i you know i

01:16:16.980 um you know that is totally horrifying just the imagine like walking out of your cave after you know

01:16:26.200 he created genocide on a global scale i mean they're just seven billion rotting bodies lying

01:16:32.180 around though i mean it the what he is trying to attempt is so grotesque it's just unimaginable

01:16:37.160 um but at the same time like i i do recognize that what he's getting at is correct i mean

01:16:45.440 the we cannot engage in endless population growth of individual of consumer individuals as consumers

01:16:55.260 who are all going to be grasping after this american lifestyle or even this european lifestyle even

01:17:02.300 worse of you know guaranteed security and pensions we can't do that going forward and there there you

01:17:10.100 know richmond valentine is is obviously utterly grotesque but he seems to be getting at something

01:17:16.400 and um you know he's got the kind of flip side uh you know of all this i think there is even a kind

01:17:23.860 of puritanical flip side to the drug use element with the in in the second kingsman where we you know

01:17:30.320 all the druggies are gonna um get their comeuppance um but but anyway that that that is the ultimate bond

01:17:38.240 villain is when he he he kind of like gets at the heart of a deep problem with the modern world

01:17:47.580 and then offers this radical alternative to it whether it's living in the sea like stromberg and

01:17:56.060 spy who love me or massive depopulation or or something yeah yeah those are the most intriguing

01:18:05.360 villains when when you have a certain sympathy with them yeah i mean i i think that the uh both films

01:18:12.460 contain this sort of idea of a uh eugenic cleansing or ostensibly eugenic cleansing of the planet um yeah

01:18:19.860 in the first uh kingsman film um this this is explicitly the goal of the samuel jackson character

01:18:27.720 of course the um the elite that he hopes to retain is kind of you know they're not olympian gods it is

01:18:34.200 some sort of degenerate like celebrity class yeah you know rich and i mean they might be wealthy

01:18:39.420 you know probably a lot of jews in there but it's just sort of this degenerate white you know oligarchy

01:18:45.720 effectively uh with some non-whites thrown in it seems like right um so the so what's retained is

01:18:54.560 not necessarily eugenic but what's eliminated is in a lot of cases ostensibly eugenic um and then the

01:19:01.100 other film is more explicitly it contains this more explicitly eugenic theme where all the drug users

01:19:07.980 die because the the drugs have been poisoned effectively um and then the president sort of

01:19:14.120 passively allows it to happen rather than and he becomes a sort of sub-villain because he's willing

01:19:18.780 to allow it to happen whereas the person who's doing it is actually hoping that uh the president

01:19:23.660 will call her bluff right and she'll make a lot of money and become famous she doesn't want to lose

01:19:29.060 all her customers yeah but in a way the president becomes this um yeah the president becomes the

01:19:36.620 ultimate villain because he he's pursuing the dastardly plan what yeah most dastardly yeah my

01:19:42.140 remark would be i actually don't think any sort of kind of eugenic i mean for the human race to go in

01:19:50.020 a kind of eugenic direction would not occur through kind of violent means i mean the only way that it

01:19:56.040 would occur is actually through kind of a gradual consensus break a relatively gradual uh consensus

01:20:02.680 building and then people just deciding at some point that they want to go in this direction right

01:20:07.500 yeah in other words i mean we we saw a very kind of uh you know arguably kind of deformed

01:20:12.900 a version of that in in germany with hitler right now hitler had a lot of flaws in his regime had a lot

01:20:22.140 of flaws uh but he was ultimately it does seem that he probably would have looked for a peaceful

01:20:29.140 solution yeah peaceful solution would have meant a kind of a eugenic uh revival in europe effectively

01:20:36.080 right we don't even have to look at hitler i mean the exactly what you were talking about in terms of

01:20:42.080 a consensus building leading to policy and so on that's what we saw in the united states yeah that

01:20:48.440 was occurring in the 1920s right in the 1920s we we were reaching a consensus what disrupted that

01:20:55.360 consensus was a big clusterfuck of a war effectively um where eugenics could be sort of um uh kind of

01:21:04.900 irrationally demonized as a cause of the war you know and it wasn't the cause of the war i mean you

01:21:11.960 you know the eugenicists were all against war for the obvious reasons war is dysgenic

01:21:18.300 especially in um you know with the advent of firearms right yeah i mean it was especially

01:21:27.040 dysgenic uh during world one when all the uh uh the nobles and elites died in world one i mean the

01:21:34.980 thing was a fiasco that was that was the end of the aristocracies in europe yeah so you know eugenics

01:21:42.820 is not pro-war and that's that's kind of a and i i guess in the film none of these i mean with the

01:21:50.960 exception of uh samuel jackson's plan i guess i guess that that would be a violent sort of culling

01:21:56.420 of the herd as it were um but that's not that actually doesn't describe the way that eugenics

01:22:02.060 would would occur if it were to occur though it though on the other hand it ostensibly might describe

01:22:07.980 eugenics if coming from a thonic source right um where one people are pursuing eugenics and then

01:22:16.520 creating kind of dysgenic connections uh dysgenic conditions for everyone else i'm not naming names

01:22:23.520 but you know what i'm saying so that no but that has more war potential than the former scenario

01:22:30.420 sure right because in that in in when people are pursuing eugenics in a thonic manner where it's

01:22:38.100 their group pursuing it but they're dissuading the rest of the population then they're incentivized to

01:22:44.000 say hey we got to kill off all these fucking people they're going to get on to us want to do

01:22:47.020 it themselves or whatever you know i mean so that creates a more violent situation um our idea of

01:22:56.080 eugenics is a peaceful you know apollo is a god of peace i didn't right uh you know but he's also

01:23:02.600 a destroyer you fuck with him uh so you know all these things are are things worth considering we

01:23:12.060 didn't you know we are obviously anti-war you know and we're anti-violence everyone knows this

01:23:16.980 we're anti-violence we didn't you know these movies these kingsman films despite themselves they they

01:23:22.620 still do offer a a vision of the changing of the world i mean they they all they are kind of alt-right

01:23:33.200 movies in their way and i i obviously don't think they're perfect films or that they encapsulate our

01:23:40.520 ideology but um again if you if you if you go beyond that false dichotomy of you know we need to save

01:23:50.120 the masses from these this evil chosen people and and and so on and you just look at what really

01:23:57.600 attracts uh young men to see these films uh it's not just about maintaining the social order you know

01:24:07.040 as it is uh it it is about becoming part of something that has to be that must be secret because

01:24:14.120 it's so reactionary and so radical and so aristocratic and so beautiful it's about you

01:24:20.600 know do you want to becoming a spy basically means becoming part of the elite and the the second film

01:24:27.460 is much more paused like you have like almost a george w bush character is the villain and you know

01:24:32.480 there's a half you know mulatto woman who joins the statesman all that kind of stuff is pretty paused

01:24:37.860 but but even that first film and i don't i i still don't understand how this got by the censors but

01:24:44.720 it does offer this vision of um of a change a changing of the guard basically um the global elite

01:24:55.560 the people who have led to the world as it is all get their heads blown off i mean it was which is

01:25:02.080 interesting getting one's heads blown off it's it's kind of 1789 but it's 1789 but we the jacobins now

RadixJournal - September 30, 2017

Unconscious Cinema - The Secret Service

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