RadixJournal - Unconscious Cinema - The Terminator

00:00:00.000 mark uh let's get started all right yeah terminator let's see you you have a kind of uh

00:00:22.020 you have a ceremonial question you ask right it's uh when did i first see the film yes well

00:00:28.680 what were my early impressions of the film uh yeah so um i actually don't remember the first

00:00:35.620 time i saw it but i in fact i'm not certain that i saw it in the theater um but i it was one of

00:00:43.080 these films that any like sort of um hot-blooded american uh boy just you know you like the

00:00:49.900 terminator it had schwarzenegger um it obviously was it's highly kind of fascistic in its aesthetic

00:00:56.860 um yes yeah um did you when did you first see it on vhs i'm i'm kind of because you're a little

00:01:05.240 bit you're a couple years older than i am i i'm i'm going i'm i was born in 1978 i should i was

00:01:11.340 about to say i'm 38 years old but someone might be listening to this podcast like 10 years from now

00:01:15.400 um but wait you're gonna all right you're gonna tell the girls that already

00:01:20.500 i was born in 1993 um no i i was born in 1978 i am uh the ultimate gen x-er um i was born in the

00:01:32.960 carter administration um yeah so i grew up i was i grew up basically in the 80s and 90s obviously i was

00:01:38.440 um i i definitely remember the vhs revolution and terminator was um you know it it was it definitely

00:01:47.120 wasn't my favorite film going up but it was one of those badass films that i remember going over to

00:01:52.060 like my friend jace's house and you know we would just flip on terminator maybe he even had it on

00:01:57.240 laser disc at one point uh but uh yeah at that point um you know some of the the scenes of terminator

00:02:04.760 for a kid who's like you know let's say eight years old or something uh some of these the the

00:02:11.560 brutality of some of the scenes is shocking i mean it's even shocking to me now as a jaded

00:02:17.520 you know guy going into his middle age um the you know the arnie's like opening kill of the another

00:02:28.100 sarah connor uh where you have this you know just frumpy old woman who answers the 1.00

00:02:34.300 answers the door and he just shoves the door it's filmed in slow motion and and coldly

00:02:41.040 dispassionately uh with no pity or remorse blows her away

00:02:46.560 sarah connor yes

00:02:52.760 that was pretty tough stuff and uh so it was it was a kind of terrifying movie and the movie is a

00:03:10.560 kind of a horror film at some other levels like there are there are some tropes of the horror movie

00:03:14.960 in terminator um uh to be sure so yeah that that's that's how i saw it um again it wasn't my favorite

00:03:25.320 i probably was more into like indiana jones i was definitely into star wars when i got a little older

00:03:31.120 i my obsession with james bond began um but it was that like you know badass movie and i had i don't

00:03:39.480 think i watched it for i you know i might have even gone like 20 years without watching the film

00:03:45.360 and um and then i revisited it about maybe like five or six years ago to the first one and i just

00:03:54.620 recognized that there was a lot going on and um then revisited t2 as well another we're gonna we're

00:04:03.360 just going to kind of combine these two films terminator and terminator 2 into one uh film

00:04:08.960 obviously we'll talk about the differences but um but i i also recognize that there was a lot going

00:04:16.600 on so let's let's start off with terminator with just the obvious and that is that this movie is about

00:04:26.200 fascism and it's not just fascism it is about nazism and you could say that it's you know arnie

00:04:35.660 was a arnie was become arnie became a huge star after this film uh as in a way as a direct result

00:04:43.180 of the terminator uh but he was already you know going strong um and you know again after this he

00:04:50.360 became the arnie that we know where every summer there was a new arnie action blockbuster

00:04:54.420 um as we all know growing up but so it is there is something kind of ridiculous about the fact

00:05:00.220 that you have you know he's a terminator sent from the future and yet he's a uh you know he's a he's

00:05:06.260 an infiltration unit and yet he is a you know massive austrian uh who speaks with a germanic accent

00:05:14.880 and is almost a almost you could say a um like a cartoon version of a nazi and you could definitely

00:05:23.000 see that in conan as well he has brown hair but he is a blonde um light-eyed uh uh just 0.84

00:05:30.740 unbelievable badass who uh you know in a way is objectively dumb in his kind of brutal nature but

00:05:40.000 you can tell is is actually deeply intelligent and ruthless and cold-blooded and so the first thing you 0.96

00:05:49.480 have to understand is that you know this terminator is about nazis attacking us and maybe that's a

00:05:58.460 good jumping off point for other layers to this film yeah i know i mean that's 100 the case so um

00:06:06.940 starting at the beginning of the film there's a there's and it seems like it may or may not be

00:06:12.740 deliberate but um at the beginning of the film arnold appears in this um this flash of lightning

00:06:19.880 and the imagery is very kind of greco-roman he it looks as though uh zeus or jupiter has arrived on

00:06:28.140 earth and um you know it's the these are some of the most kind of memorable scenes in the film

00:06:33.700 and um and then shortly thereafter uh reese who's his um um his rival uh arrives and the contrast

00:06:45.420 between the two figures uh becomes uh clear uh very rapidly as they both um go about uh navigating

00:06:54.080 them um the present uh day reese just drops out of the sky i mean i think that's also significant um

00:07:00.820 arnie again appears to this lightning which might you know that maybe that's just a cool special

00:07:06.320 effect but it it it yes it's hard not to see a zeus um metaphor say in the lightning or or a you know

00:07:16.860 indication in the lightning and reese and reese there is some lightning as well but he basically

00:07:22.900 you know arnie arises in this like he meant he's meant to be there and he walks over and looks out over

00:07:29.960 the city of los angeles like he's just gonna rule the entire place uh reese on the other hand is is

00:07:37.760 literally dropped out of the sky he lands and although reese is obviously a highly like competent

00:07:43.820 hero um you know he's he's scrambling around you know he's running from the police running for his life

00:07:53.060 you know getting whatever he can find uh arnie basically you know emerges kneeling and comes

00:08:02.860 out in this just reef install-esque pose and is you know basically ruling the place it's also i'll just

00:08:09.840 add in just a little bit of you know background um when james cameron was casting this film he was

00:08:16.300 originally looking at arnold schwarzenegger as kyle reese but he basically i and i i think he

00:08:22.980 obviously made the right choice and he probably did it on because of the unconscious myth at the heart

00:08:29.220 of this movie um which is a jewish myth and a christian myth but he it was just like he has to be the

00:08:35.380 terminator there's no you know you can't cast him as reese he's this is this is the terrifying image

00:08:42.440 from james cameron's nightmare is an austrian nazi coming to us from the future

00:08:49.220 i guess the contrast in their first appearance has less to do with the way they appear they both

00:08:55.900 in my uh my idea of it is they both appear as sort of these different types of gods right on on one hand

00:09:04.420 you have this this aryan figure in uh schwarzenegger and then you have a what will end up uh being kind 0.65

00:09:11.540 of a semitic figure um in the figure of uh reese and he'll um his his whole way of operating i mean

00:09:20.720 he's a very resourceful uh figure in the film obviously but it's more he has to uh base his um

00:09:28.320 survival on flight and guile and escape um whereas with schwarzenegger i mean he's he's basically this

00:09:36.560 kind of indestructible superman who is very uh kind of forthright he doesn't he doesn't have to hide or

00:09:43.760 cower because he's he's the stronger uh being um and uh so there's a certain kind of honesty i suppose

00:09:52.240 to his uh his tact in the world versus a kind of guile and cleverness on the on the part of um

00:09:59.100 uh reese um who's wearing like a pervert raincoat he's you know a mackintosh like he's he's walking

00:10:08.220 around like he's some pervert who's stalking uh um sarah connor that's also kind of an interesting

00:10:16.140 you know dynamic where it's like sarah connor before arnie comes into this nightclub

00:10:22.060 but i mean amazing scene tech noir nightclub um you know it's like she thinks that reese is some

00:10:30.080 perv who's stalking her and she's trying to get away from him um and it is definitely like an

00:10:37.580 interesting uh you know dichotomy between the uh the aryan badass and this just kind of shifty um 1.00

00:10:45.420 you know shifty kind of almost sinister looking figure who's chasing her and these things are

00:10:53.700 really i mean especially with the case of reese i mean he's he's uh these things are are pretty

00:10:58.340 subtle i mean the guy is also um he's obviously like sort of a leading man type he's a good-looking

00:11:04.640 guy and he's um you know he doesn't in any in no obvious way does he appear to be a somatic figure

00:11:10.980 for example is michael bean who's yeah obviously as gentile as he comes but his character is

00:11:16.400 definitely jewish and i i think when you you know i i don't know if we we we can dive into that like

00:11:22.880 uh that tech noir scene before we talk about when i i think reese's identity is revealed i i think

00:11:29.700 pretty explicitly actually but um you know in that tech noir scene and this is um i actually first

00:11:36.480 appreciated this by watching rob ager's uh analysis of this but you know it the tech noir

00:11:43.700 obviously there there is a the the terminator is like a horror film at some level it's it draws on

00:11:49.320 that it draws on hard action movies like dirty harry or um death wish or something like that but

00:11:55.920 it it also is this kind of genre that maybe it even invented this tech noir

00:12:02.600 it is interesting a lot of the music um the score is sounds a little sounds it's pretty synthy

00:12:16.440 um when you listen to it and uh they the club is called tech noir and that that is almost like

00:12:22.860 what the genre cameron's creating is like the sci-fi film noir uh genre but but there's also

00:12:30.400 another layer to it which is that when they go into when she goes in that club this is the you know

00:12:35.640 the public place where the police tell her to go she knows that she's on the run she knows someone's

00:12:40.220 hunting her killing sarah connors and she goes into this club that is basically a kind of like

00:12:46.140 image of the future and you know it's like she's in a concentration camp i mean the the walls are

00:12:53.060 literally metal barbed barbed wire but they're they're mesh fencing and you and you have this

00:13:01.960 like steel graded steel walls and she's she's already in a concentration camp and they're all 0.59

00:13:09.940 in a concentration camp and they just don't know it so you have people dancing to 80s music but

00:13:15.240 they're ultimately already they're already in the future and there are all these other little

00:13:20.860 like very subtle but i i think unequivocal hints of this and again rob ager goes into this right

00:13:26.420 he's he's definitely influenced a lot of what i'm saying here but when um the answering machine of

00:13:33.080 sarah connor's roommate uh says hello oh just i tricked you you're talking to a machine hi there

00:13:41.040 fooled you you're talking to a machine but don't be shy it's okay machines need love too so talk to it

00:13:49.780 and ginger that's me or sarah will get back to you wait for the beat 1.00

00:13:53.700 it's just like a metaphor for the entire film uh just right in that little like answering machine

00:14:02.940 joke i got you for our millennial for our millennial listening listeners the answering machine is an

00:14:10.020 it's an ancient object using something called cassette tapes that would connect to the phone line and

00:14:16.840 it was before we had voicemail before the age before twitter we had these you know barbaric boxes

00:14:23.980 that we would record things on but anyway um you know so so you know that's that that's where they are

00:14:31.300 they're already there she's already in a technological concentration camp at the beginning of the film 1.00

00:14:36.980 and then if you if you kind of like go forward like once once reese blows arnie away

00:14:43.960 and with a shotgun and they they make their escape um there's this you know exposition

00:14:50.760 portion of the film and and this is this is the first time when you know that arnie is a terminator

00:14:57.300 like you see something from his viewpoint and it's that like red screen with digital you know printout

00:15:03.920 kind of thing um and and then you have this exposition where reese you know tells her what's

00:15:10.320 going on and he lays out this this um vision of the future dystopian vision that i think actually

00:15:17.320 is now we're now all totally familiar with like even if you haven't seen the terminator you're almost

00:15:22.300 like aware of some of these tropes like you know the machines became self-aware there's skynet which

00:15:27.640 is a microprocessor a computer program that was you know um worked you know doing you know defense

00:15:34.420 systems and it recognized that it wasn't just russians that were a threat but all humankind were

00:15:40.700 a threat to skynet and it you know again in this self-awareness it launched it created a nuclear war

00:15:46.880 which billions died and then and then after that it just engaged in this mop up of uh of humans and

00:15:54.520 kyle reese basically to prove this to um sarah connor linda hamilton uh he shows her a barcode

00:16:03.540 that's been tattooed on him and he talks about being rounded up and put into camps

00:16:10.520 hiding from hk's hk's hunter killers patrol machines built in automated factories

00:16:25.260 most of us were rounded up putting camps for orderly disposal

00:16:30.640 spurned in my laser scanner

00:16:34.800 some of us were kept alive to work

00:16:42.760 voting bodies the disposal units ran night and day we were that close to going out forever

00:16:52.660 at that point i think the symbolism just has to be conscious um that this is a story about the

00:17:03.540 holocaust and this is a story about a future holocaust it's a story about nazis maybe coming

00:17:11.420 at us from the past but instead of the future but nazis rounding up jews and and symbolically

00:17:18.280 speaking reese and sarah connor are jewish sure yeah and as are christians actually so and and i think

00:17:27.780 yeah so but i think that more explicitly they're intended as christians but i mean that that sort of um

00:17:36.100 makes the point that um you know christianity is this this branch of judaism and the the narrative of

00:17:43.880 uh you know saints um uh being martyred in rome uh is very similar uh is a very similar narrative to

00:17:52.480 the holocaust right so a lot of the uh kind of emotional uh energy of uh christianity is based on

00:18:00.180 this premise of uh martyrs suffering and in particular jesus christ right so it the narrative the

00:18:08.480 narratives are very similar um of the holocaust and the christian story it's not the christianity

00:18:13.820 is not a story and this is one way in which um uh the terminator sort of necessarily diverges from a

00:18:24.880 christian metaphor is that they're not saints and martyrs uh they're a resistance fighting against

00:18:32.380 uh the uh these sort of uh metaphorical nazis right right um so in in it's funny because actually

00:18:41.640 the movie would no one or at least the audience that they're uh they were going for would not be

00:18:47.920 interested in the film if they were uh you know effectively christians right but their method of

00:18:53.940 fighting is is not through the word it's through uh warfare it's through the valor of warfare

00:19:01.880 and um so i think that that's uh how they in one way they sort of diverge from the christian

00:19:08.960 narrative um but in general i mean i i don't know that if you've mentioned this already but um

00:19:14.500 uh the yeah so the immaculate birth i mean it's a very it's very clear um that john connor is intended

00:19:24.820 as uh jc jesus christ and that's that acronym is likely intended no doubt

00:19:31.620 but there was one man who taught us to fight to storm the wire of the camps to smash those 1.00

00:19:39.180 motherfuckers into junk 1.00

00:19:41.080 he turned it around he brought us back from the brink his name is connor 1.00

00:19:47.840 john connor your son sir your unborn son

00:19:54.860 yeah though uh that's also james cameron's

00:20:02.240 maybe it's something he'd given uh you've given deeper thought

00:20:08.720 to well you have to be a little bit of an egomaniac to make it in hollywood i would say that

00:20:15.220 so um we shouldn't really judge james cameron for giving his uh his superhero a uh his own uh

00:20:24.840 acronym um george lucas that you know luke skywalker and george lucas there's probably a

00:20:30.760 little connection there whether conscious or unconscious so it's it's fine you know you have

00:20:35.740 to be you know to achieve greatness you must be a narcissist you know the other thing too that we

00:20:43.860 we should uh point out if it's not already obvious now is that um christianity is being juxtaposed with

00:20:52.420 uh nazism right so in other words or or even i would say eugenics right because effectively uh these 0.72

00:20:59.700 robots represent metaphorically um you know the development of a superman you know and uh so

00:21:08.440 the film kind of clear clearly posits correctly um christianity is kind of a an anti-eugenic force

00:21:17.620 against um uh you know national socialism um eugenics right and i think that that's that's sort of the

00:21:27.500 correct place to put um christianity i do i i do think that it is uh effectively anti-eugenic

00:21:35.160 and um yeah let me i'll go into that like it is interesting when you when you look at the the

00:21:42.680 visuals of the terminator which have become iconic which are amazing stan winston did the visual effects

00:21:48.120 and so he he did all the the modeling you know some of the stuff in terminator hasn't aged that well

00:21:53.320 you know you we we now clearly see it as a a a model as a you know a visual effect when when arnie

00:22:00.260 is like fixing himself and cutting himself open and things like that we live in the age of cgi and not 0.78

00:22:05.540 you know you know whatever but even even if it hasn't aged that well like you can appreciate the

00:22:10.580 artistry brilliant stuff and just the the icon of the terminator like when the terminator

00:22:15.360 walks when when arnie is like stripped of his skin and he walks out of the fire uh there is just

00:22:23.260 something nightmarish just really brilliant about that art but but like let's let's ask ourselves

00:22:29.940 some some questions like and this is where i you're totally right that basically skynet is a eugenic

00:22:36.860 force and it's uh you know it is a kind of national socialism it is creating a superman why are they

00:22:43.120 creating the why is skynet creating the human form in order to destroy humans it doesn't really make

00:22:49.920 sense i mean skynet's a computer program you know a microprocessor or something there's no there's no

00:22:56.380 reason to believe that creating these like six foot three you know arian supermen is like a good way of 1.00

00:23:05.340 killing people i mean it could just as easily like i mean it's less cinematic but it could just as easily

00:23:10.980 just like create a micro organism like virus that kills everyone like influenza or something you know 0.78

00:23:18.660 like there's no need to create arnies that go around blowing people away with laser guns you know

00:23:27.140 and so you have to ask like what so where does where does that visual myth come from and the visual myth

00:23:35.120 of the terminator is the superman and he is the he is better than we are through a you know mechanized

00:23:44.000 breeding program we reach a we reach this new human being that is you know as as as nietzsche talked about

00:23:52.540 he he's as far away from us as we are from the great apes um yeah and so that's what the image is and

00:24:02.120 that's what's so terrifying is that he is superior maybe before we go into more of the technology stuff

00:24:07.900 i i actually think we should like press a little bit on like more of the the the notion of like time

00:24:16.940 and this but but also the the christian myth i mean john connor is jesus christ he is a jew who is going to

00:24:25.200 redeem all mankind um he is born through an immaculate conception and you know i um i i recognize that yes

00:24:38.040 the immaculate conception in catholic liturgy is actually the conception of mary um but you get my point

00:24:44.660 um he is you know basically mary jesus was born through a sexless union um he she you know joseph

00:24:54.200 who is reese in this in this you know myth uh you know recognizes that he wasn't cucked or i guess

00:25:01.240 he was cucked by god you could say um and there there is this miracle that is the birth and in the

00:25:10.620 terminator myth this is spun as there's this miracle which is that the people from the future um you know

00:25:18.460 come back into time they come back into the past and they impregnate the past with the future this is

00:25:27.820 actually a pretty common metaphor in hollywood movies and i i don't quite know what to make of it i mean

00:25:37.360 this is a very similar metaphor as uh interstellar that's christopher nolan's interstellar

00:25:44.160 um where you know the the the challenge really is to go back in time and send messages from the

00:25:52.060 future to the past this is also very similar to back to the future um which in which again you know

00:25:59.620 you you must save the present by by going back into the past it is it's also no surprise at all that

00:26:07.420 you know what what is the most memorable line from this movie it's one of the most memorable lines

00:26:11.620 in the cinema in cinema i'll be back i'll be back yeah you know it's obviously i think one of the

00:26:21.660 reasons i mean one of the reasons obviously is that arnold schwarzenegger is a badass and when he

00:26:25.700 says it it's just kind of hilarious but but it's it's also like a an embedded like metaphor for the

00:26:32.340 whole process i'll be back and um you know and i think there's also something about like

00:26:39.160 memory and and misremembering i mean we we're always engaging in strategic interventions in our

00:26:47.540 memory and we're always kind of like you know with and a lot of this goes back to narrative you know

00:26:55.900 we want to give our lives a story and if our lives just become you know a meaningless jumble of events

00:27:03.480 then we're actually prone to suicide you know there's no meaning to our lives so oftentimes

00:27:08.960 we'll go back and even kind of like reimagine failures you know we'll say oh you know you know

00:27:15.520 that time when you know the game was on the line and i struck out well you know actually i'm glad that

00:27:23.160 that happened because that taught me a new lesson in humility and it taught me to work harder and train

00:27:29.280 even harder for the next game and then you know we'll go back and we'll re-remember something and

00:27:35.040 give it a new meaning and i'm not critical of this in the slightest i think this is actually like we

00:27:41.320 need meaning and we therefore need memory and memory has to have a meaning for us it's not just recalling

00:27:48.220 events or facts it's a memory has a inherent meaning um and so that's that's kind of like in a way that

00:27:56.160 that's a that's one of the reasons why this whole concept of the terminator is is interesting and

00:28:02.300 and provocative and attractive is is because it's we we do this with our with our own memory we'll go

00:28:09.360 back and re-remember history we'll change the meaning of past events in history to to make them have

00:28:15.380 significance for the future for for where we are now um obviously this is something that this is an

00:28:22.080 insight that that nietzsche set down in um on modern observations or however you want to translate that

00:28:29.960 sure no i think that's a that's um those are excellent points um so it's it's uh creating the

00:28:38.200 creating the present uh recreating the present uh by recreating the past so it's effectively a type of

00:28:45.940 uh time travel exactly um yeah no i think those are excellent points um the other idea that i think

00:28:53.580 that we discussed is that um it's there's also i think with these films in general um that as you as

00:29:03.040 you pointed out there's this sense of um if i could go back especially to to correct some regret um

00:29:10.760 it'll repair some regret um you know that occurs in that the film uh back to back to the future for

00:29:17.260 example though it's though it's a comedic film um in this there there's almost there's something

00:29:25.280 deeper going on in the sense that and i think this is occurring unconsciously i don't think this is

00:29:31.820 necessarily what um james cameron had in mind though but there is a sense of the area and going back to

00:29:39.700 you know uh kind of uh eliminate sort of the original sin of christianity in the film um

00:29:48.400 and uh so i mean i think so i think that that is just kind of a youngian thing that's occurring 0.98

00:29:54.140 um and then of course in the second film it it hot it sort of happens from the other direction where

00:30:00.640 um sarah connor connor is trying to kind of eliminate um you know the original sin that allowed

00:30:09.120 eugenics yes yep yeah um you know one thing i was going to say though because i don't think it's

00:30:15.900 i think that um in the film i mean it's i think it's it's a little maybe too unnuanced to uh

00:30:24.080 i mean certainly uh john connor is a christ figure and certainly um reese and connor or uh these christian

00:30:32.500 figures uh you know mary and joseph probably is is uh is what they compare to closely or certainly

00:30:39.300 um but there's there are also these uh jewish figures that are effectively uh something like the

00:30:47.100 uh the parisies uh the pharisees um or there's one figure in particular there's a psychiatrist in

00:30:53.640 the film um who believes that um uh sarah connor's mad right yeah and um she's uh and actually the

00:31:04.960 guy plays a bigger role in the second film yeah um and he's more developed where she's actually in

00:31:11.420 a um insane asylum and the guy is like keeping her in an insane asylum um and the the name of that

00:31:20.600 character is uh silberman and uh which is revealed in the second film uh which translates as uh it's a

00:31:27.960 form of silverman so there might be some like kind of judas reference there as well or not i mean i

00:31:34.060 think it's i think it's significant enough that he's uh he's clearly a jewish character uh with the

00:31:40.440 name silberman and he the guy appears to be you know is is could very well be a jew um oh yeah and

00:31:48.440 so he's intended as a jew um so i think that that's another thing uh that james cameron introduced

00:31:55.420 um deliberately now it's subtle enough that um no one would accuse a guy of anti-semitism

00:32:02.460 uh it becomes a little more pronounced in the second film um a couple of things it's it that's

00:32:09.420 that's a kind of trope in his films generally um so in aliens he has a similar figure um i think

00:32:16.100 he's played by uh paul riser yeah and fascinatingly the character's name is uh carter burke

00:32:25.040 which is one of it's one of the most absurdly like you know wasp names yeah yeah you know you

00:32:32.000 might as well be called richard spencer's you know something like sure yeah carter burke uh but

00:32:38.900 uh he he's he basically fits every he he fits every jewish stereotype in the book like the the

00:32:46.400 the actor has a new york accent um he's he's basically like sacrificing the crew in order to make

00:32:54.240 money he doesn't want to kill the aliens because like this is a multi-million dollar installation

00:32:59.180 you know he's he basically thinks uh you know in a mercantile manner let's just bug out and call it

00:33:05.300 even okay what are we talking about this for i say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit 0.62

00:33:11.400 it's the only way to be sure fucking hey oh hold on hold on one second this installation has a 0.93

00:33:21.540 substantial dollar value attached to it they can bill me okay look this is an emotional moment 0.87

00:33:30.260 for all of us okay i know that but let's not make snap judgments please this is clearly clearly an

00:33:37.340 important species we're dealing with and i don't think that you or i or anybody has the right to

00:33:41.720 arbitrarily exterminate them yeah watch us hey maybe you haven't been keeping up on current events but we 0.94

00:33:48.820 just got our asses kicked pal it's almost like a brutal jewish stereotype but it's i think james 0.98

00:33:55.100 cameron might save himself by giving him this like ridiculously waspy name um but even that almost 0.97

00:34:02.780 indicates like again the silverman and then carter burke and aliens which is you know aliens was

00:34:08.480 you know a sequel to alien but um ridley scott's film but it came out between these two films uh i it's

00:34:17.600 i don't know it's it's hard not to read that as uh some kind of awareness on james cameron part

00:34:24.320 james cameron's part um uh or maybe of a sense of like these are the these are the bad jews but 1.00

00:34:31.480 these are the really good jews um you know the the the really righteous ones who are the heroes

00:34:36.880 yeah no i mean i think it's i think there is some awareness uh so he's playing a little game there

00:34:43.940 and i don't think that you know the irony though is that and this is the irony to both multiculturalism

00:34:51.020 and christianity is that um you know a person could signal against israel or against orthodox jews

00:34:57.840 um but still believe in multiculturalism um yeah you know which is something that that jews

00:35:05.360 are very much in favor you know on the um kind of exoteric level uh so there you know so he's allowed

00:35:14.460 and i think that this is one of the reasons that christianity was able to become successful

00:35:19.020 is that you can take this sort of moral high ground and you can cede the world to these you

00:35:25.500 know evil people who want you know dominance on earth um but it's you know it's a very it's a very

00:35:33.200 sort of kind of foolish uh position to take i mean i mean almost the better position would be like well 0.92

00:35:39.160 yeah i mean you should almost admire these jews because they're they're seeking a kind of earthly 1.00

00:35:43.840 dominance yeah um it's kind of like glenn greenwald or the the intercept uh webzine

00:35:52.060 is it what is it his name uh skehill i believe this is um i don't think he's jewish actually

00:35:58.020 anyway um some of their positions which are kind of like harshly anti-israel and and also kind of

00:36:04.140 like anti-war in a way that might even resonate with us um but then it's all in the service of

00:36:10.500 you know transgendered uh homosexual positive multiculturalism multiracialism uh you know

00:36:18.600 it's a certain kind of leftism that that turns on israel in a way that that liberals never would 0.99

00:36:24.180 yeah yeah so i mean so there is this kind of uh idiotic smugness to being a kind of multicultural 0.99

00:36:34.600 anti-semite and and i and i would extend that to christianity too i'm sorry guys uh i would extend

00:36:42.160 that to christianity as well there's this kind of um i mean and nietzsche makes that remark i mean

00:36:47.960 they there's nothing sort of so foolish as a um a christian anti-semite i mean your god is a jew 0.88

00:36:57.040 and uh and i think that people fail to make the distinction uh between uh a jew and a pharisee 0.96

00:37:04.640 uh because they're distinct uh the apostles are also jews and they're very jewish in behavior i mean

00:37:11.920 they're not dissimilar in a lot of ways from communists i mean that you know that's a very obvious

00:37:16.740 point that people have made um so basically in uh you know in the second testament you see

00:37:23.960 communists versus capitalists effectively so it's it's the it's the identical sort of false dichotomy

00:37:30.520 um that we're faced with today you know whether it's um uh capitalists versus communists uh democrats

00:37:38.780 versus uh republicans um none of them are trying to help us or none of them are kind of on our team 0.85

00:37:45.600 we don't need help obviously but both of them need to fuck up basically i mean you know uh and i 0.89

00:37:53.600 so the other thing i was going to just remark is that um he continues the trope uh in um avatar 0.94

00:38:02.000 so there's another kind of it's he's he's less pronounced as a jewish figure um he's played by this

00:38:08.880 little italian guy um uh giovanni ribisi yeah i know who you're talking he was insane but ryan also

00:38:17.240 uh it's a good yeah yeah yeah no he's a he's a good actor but he's uh he's sort of he plays a

00:38:23.100 kind of physically meek yeah um he's effectively you know he's a faculty he's effectively a continuation

00:38:29.700 of the trope established by burke and uh silverman um and uh so i just i you know just to just to

00:38:38.780 point out one more incident of it you have uh you sort of have three types contrasted in the film

00:38:44.800 you have this sort of uh uber arian uh you know in um schwarzenegger and i think that these these

00:38:52.220 three types are also repeated in his other films um you have these sort of uber arian kind of

00:38:58.200 cartoonish like militaristic characters in his films um and that's true of aliens in avatar and also

00:39:05.060 uh the terminator series or the those the two terminator films that he made um so you have the

00:39:11.560 arian type and then you have these sort of these these jewish uh figures that are essentially these 1.00

00:39:18.260 kind of greedy capitalists but read as these kind of pharisaic jewish characters and then you have the 0.84

00:39:23.740 christian character uh and the christian character seems on some level to act he operates in a kind of

00:39:30.520 liminal way between the two types like he's he's not like in other words he's he's a uh a kind of

00:39:38.160 moderate form of the arian type and yet he's he is also um he also has these these jewish aspects so

00:39:49.980 i mean i i just that's just sort of an interesting thing to point out in his films but i think it's

00:39:54.700 also kind of reflected in uh our sort of our our um imaginings of kind of a roman type versus a

00:40:04.640 christian type versus a jewish type and in a way and the christian is a kind of liminal form between

00:40:10.920 uh this kind of arian or roman gentile in the sense that that that is the way effectively uh jews 0.93

00:40:19.660 the more jewish type communicates um to the more arian gentile type and fights the more arian gentile type

00:40:28.740 is through this uh this proxy um the christian in my opinion interesting would you relate that to

00:40:38.140 the move in t2 where arnie is ostensibly redeemed basically he he is he's literally reprogrammed

00:40:47.820 um into a protector for jesus christ um that you could almost read that as like the germans and by that

00:40:58.360 we just mean like the europeans as being christianized you know programmatically and yeah

00:41:04.660 yeah no that's exactly and then he's been converted yeah yeah yeah no that's in fact that's made explicit

00:41:11.400 in the film if you watch the young john connor in the second film is basically an apostle and his whole

00:41:18.280 narrative toward um um schwarzenegger is that he shouldn't kill right he should be a moral figure so

00:41:26.100 he's he is effectively christ um uh teaching the arian right and and of course he plays the role

00:41:34.780 in the beginning of the film when he reprograms uh schwarzenegger in the future and then sends him back

00:41:42.000 so he plays he plays it both as a child and as an adult right so the the kind of reprogramming

00:41:48.160 continues through the film um yeah no i think that that's an excellent point to make yeah it also gets

00:41:55.080 another like much bigger theme of all of cameron's oeuvre and and that is anti-fascist fascism

00:42:04.340 and in the sense that in some ways in order to defeat fascism you need to call upon fascistic

00:42:12.300 elements and and so like you know cameron is a fascist filmmaker like he's fascinated with brutality

00:42:21.340 with technology uh with big boats robots uh master races domination and and and so on like he he's

00:42:33.880 clearly fascinated by all this kind of stuff but he the way that he keeps a a unguilty conscious

00:42:41.980 conscience um the you know the way that he makes it all okay i mean that you you can't make a film

00:42:47.480 in hollywood which you know you you have like a rip-roaring account of nazis marching across

00:42:53.560 europe or something like that um but what you have to do is that the the the christian has to call upon

00:43:01.660 fascism or or you know become a bit of a fascist himself in order to fight the fascism and so it's

00:43:09.340 like you need to turn arnie into kyle reese you know which is done in in the second film like you

00:43:17.080 you need to reprogram the arian superman into a christian and then he's good and then you can go 0.98

00:43:23.840 away from all this with a with a clean conscience um and you can see a lot of the similar things like

00:43:30.180 in aliens where you know aliens is this interesting you know redemption story of alien i mean in alien

00:43:38.020 by ridley scott which i i think came out in 1979 um you know basically the the humans were just

00:43:46.200 helpless you know and they were all being like symbolically raped by this you know alien sex 1.00

00:43:53.840 monster uh which is basically what that you know geiger you know thing was and um you know this thing 0.98

00:44:03.380 like it would their tail would slash them they get cut in half and all the cut it would come out of

00:44:09.080 them i mean it just all this kind of stuff um yeah i mean it feels like a kind of uh miscegenation fear

00:44:15.380 oh interesting yeah it is an alien after all like that joke is made in aliens like uh they're with the

00:44:23.360 mech the hispanic or mexican fighter they're like oh yeah you thought it was about illegal aliens

00:44:29.020 um anyway uh that's definitely there i agree but it's like she you know ridley has to call upon

00:44:36.240 fascism in herself and in her in order to defeat fascism so she has to like become a badass and at

00:44:42.720 one point she even like you know puts on she becomes like a reverse terminator where she's a human on the 1.00

00:44:49.700 inside but a robot on the outside she gets into this loading machine you know like robot shell 0.93

00:44:56.460 basically and she's able to take on the alien um by empowering herself 1.00

00:45:01.560 get away from her you bitch 1.00

00:45:07.920 but she's ultimately like good on the inside so that that is like the redeemed arnie is 1.00

00:45:17.320 you know he's or or even the the android and aliens where it's this like programmed robot it's a good

00:45:25.000 golem it's a golem that has been set up by the jewish community or the christians 0.96

00:45:29.560 in order to fight for them and it actually can be a good thing it can even be like a loving father

00:45:35.980 figure which you know uh arnold schwarzenegger kind of miraculously is um you know i think he's called

00:45:43.820 uncle bob but you know in one kind of jokey moment in t2 um yeah i mean and that i mean that is

00:45:51.320 another aspect of the film is that it it's this sort of it's a terrible cartoon of the aryan type 1.00

00:45:59.480 it's just this killing machine i mean it's just very like uh we're more than it's a very you i would

00:46:06.680 like to think that we are yeah i mean uh i don't you know i'm i'm not interested in killing anyone to

00:46:11.780 be honest with you um so i mean i guess the thing that we do admire we admire that our ancestors were

00:46:19.960 warriors though and that were capable of defending themselves um and we we definitely can we connect

00:46:26.920 this to uh masculinity um rightly i think as well um but i think that uh you know so that's just

00:46:36.140 another aspect of the film and of the of the two film series to consider i mean on some bottom level

00:46:44.480 it's the film is you know and i i know you don't like the term and i don't like the term that much

00:46:50.200 either just because i think it is a kind of way of demoralizing ourselves but uh the film has this

00:46:56.160 sort of white genocide theme in it um where he you know in the reprogrammed terminator at the end sort

00:47:03.680 of willingly lowers himself into the vat of lava and kills himself he's like oh i've got to die

00:47:09.960 it's over no there's one more chip 0.86

00:47:20.220 and it must be destroyed also

00:47:27.260 here i cannot self-terminate you must lower me into the steel

00:47:38.440 no

00:47:48.700 i'm sorry john i'm sorry

00:47:53.120 no it'll be okay stay with us it'll be okay

00:47:56.620 i have to go away no don't do it please don't go

00:48:00.380 i must go away john

00:48:02.040 no no wait wait you don't have to do this

00:48:06.700 sorry

00:48:07.680 no don't do it don't go

00:48:11.300 it has to end here

00:48:13.300 i order you not to go i order you not to go i order you not to go 0.95

00:48:19.400 i know now why you cry

00:48:27.760 but it's something i can never do

00:48:32.300 i follow you not to go away no don't do it 0.99

00:48:44.260 i mean you're black 0.99

00:48:45.700 and everyone i can't do it 1.00

00:48:46.240 and you have to go on

00:48:47.400 and embrace the fabric

00:48:48.140 and let him Eigel

00:48:52.060 yeah

00:48:53.120 dude

00:48:54.440 and if thats me

00:48:54.980 트�ick 0.90

00:48:56.080 Matilde

00:48:57.080 マシュ

00:48:58.560 yeah

00:48:59.720 that's effectively what we're dealing with now is that white people feel that they have to

00:49:08.240 disappear that that's you know i mean and that's no exaggeration you know especially among uh our

00:49:15.380 elites the uh that is the sort of zeitgeist is that they for the world to uh be a better place

00:49:22.480 white people have to disappear they have to lower themselves into the vat of uh lava 1.00

00:49:28.020 it's that they'll they will literally say this i mean you can get i mean there we had an article 0.95

00:49:34.860 up at all right.com of this this boomer literally saying you know the world's just going to be so

00:49:39.880 much better when people like me are gone and he's not even like an old racist you know that that's

00:49:45.180 what some people think like oh once the all the old racists have died then everything's gonna be fine

00:49:49.140 no no no this guy is like i'm i'm a liberal goofball but i too need to go and it is this like

00:49:56.960 self-sacrifice at the end of t2 which is it is very moving i mean it's it's hard not for a tear to come

00:50:03.180 to my eye but at the end yeah i don't want the white race but at the end of the right well for that 1.00

00:50:08.720 reason right i on it for a double reason yeah but at the at the at the you know it's a well-done

00:50:14.720 scene and you know in in it may it it makes sense because it's not just like a random sacrifice like

00:50:21.820 it makes sense in the logic of the film arnie's ultimate you know intervention by the future

00:50:27.740 is to destroy himself and therefore to destroy eugenic aryan man film is actually thought about

00:50:35.180 in those terms because i'm sure that uh you know some of the people listening to this podcast

00:50:39.120 enjoyed the film and there are many like very entertaining things about the film oh yeah

00:50:43.480 certainly and things that are appealing you know to our aesthetic naturally i believe um but i think that

00:50:50.040 um it's a very demoralizing film when you consider it like on a subconscious level it's the film is

00:50:57.980 actually a somewhat sinister film and maybe more sinister because or absolutely more sinister because

00:51:04.380 the way in which it's packaged right you know in particularly the second film i would say but the

00:51:10.600 first film for obvious reasons i mean you have this aryan figure who's demonized who's turned into this 0.94

00:51:16.020 cartoon of evil um you know who's a fucking robot i mean jesus christ give us some credit here 0.99

00:51:22.260 come on you know throw us a fucking bone hollywood i mean we're killing that just a bunch of robots 0.99

00:51:30.480 you know i mean they're killing machines i know it's just like thanks guys i mean i you know it kind of 0.99

00:51:40.480 hurts but honestly though so the first film has arians as killing robots that are unthinking unfeeling 0.92

00:51:51.500 and you know uh and then the second film has them as robots that like the way they become good is like 0.95

00:51:59.520 yeah we we gotta go guys i mean we really are fucking evil we gotta die i mean jesus christ so 0.97

00:52:06.560 so to speak yeah i mean no so it's a heavily demoralizing film and this is something that 0.97

00:52:13.460 and this is this is why you know in our podcast it will be kind of unpeeling these layers but i mean

00:52:20.920 in i we took an easy one to start i think i mean there are films that are more uh layered and uh and

00:52:28.460 sort of clever and tricky than this film that um we'll explore but um i think that uh that that should

00:52:36.420 be kind of the final takeaway and i you know i and i know that uh people listening to this podcast

00:52:40.700 for example are very eager to uh appreciate the art of a gentile artist uh you know a guy like james

00:52:47.440 cameron who um you know i think he's a flaw he's he's a i think he's a very limited filmmaker to be

00:52:55.500 honest with you but i can see why you know especially as a young man i i thought his films were

00:53:01.120 you know really entertaining we're not trying to ruin these films yeah this the we're not trying

00:53:06.980 the object of this podcast is to try to make you like appreciate what these films are and to have

00:53:13.520 what is unconscious in them to make it conscious conscious uh we're not trying to like ruin

00:53:19.340 entertainment like i don't think that you know if you're aware of what's being done then you're you

00:53:26.160 become like a master you know like i can watch t2 i i think it is a very entertaining film there's

00:53:32.180 there is it's clearly a badass film and it's and it's also kind of like a moment in time as well

00:53:37.200 my childhood so i i'm not like against watching it but at the same time like i'm not asleep while

00:53:44.200 watching it like i understand what's going on and when you understand something you become a master of

00:53:49.700 it and so that's what we're saying um but this is clearly like and this is a maybe we can even like

00:53:57.340 bring this to a head um by by talking about like one more theme that i wanted to to hit on but

00:54:04.180 this is it's not just an anti-eugenic message determined it's really anti-technology and not not in

00:54:14.220 i mean maybe in a somewhat redeemable sense but but but ultimately not it's it's ultimately a 0.88

00:54:21.060 luddite film it's ultimately a film for like that that moralizes the weak and the dumb and demoralizes

00:54:30.160 people who want to actually take control of our destiny and take control of the world and so let me

00:54:36.240 let me just back up why is it somewhat redeemable i i get like a lot of the hippie mentality of

00:54:44.100 hey man let's just go back to the way it was like it's it's a it's a kind of conservative

00:54:49.040 instinct of like let's go let's connect with the earth let's eat real food and organic food and like

00:54:55.180 just be you know subsistence farmers and all that kind of stuff i get it i think there is something

00:55:00.520 like highly redeemable about the hippies and about james cameron something like avatar where he's

00:55:05.880 demoralizing modern america and moralizing this like primitive blue people hippie community 0.74

00:55:13.980 uh you know i think there is something you could say a little bit redeemable but

00:55:18.860 when you actually take a step back and you're conscious of the logic of the terminator films

00:55:24.860 it is just fucking insane you know i mean like what you're destroying like we're supposed we're 0.97

00:55:32.680 rooting on this like crazed woman sarah connor uh you know john carner and their black friend 0.99

00:55:39.740 as they like destroy life-saving world-changing technology and you know why are you doing that 0.91

00:55:49.340 uh why would you conceivably think it's a good thing uh to destroy this the stuff that we were able to

00:55:58.300 make anyway you know i mean like we invented it's not like this came out of air like we created the

00:56:03.700 machines that created this the these these terminators like why would you want to get rid of this

00:56:08.860 technology as opposed to controlling it understanding it and harnessing it for good 0.98

00:56:14.500 it's just such a luddite just like idiotic mentality you know and i i get it that so much of technology 0.98

00:56:22.020 is harmful and we're like staring at our start from smartphones too much and but yeah that's all true 0.99

00:56:27.920 but you know the alt-right would not exist without the internet and twitter and podcasting and skype and

00:56:37.320 you know i be a voice of our ip whatever you want to say like we need to harness technology and use it

00:56:42.880 for good we need to become conscious of it we don't need to like smash our laptops and like blow up the 0.91

00:56:49.500 internet and you know all that that's just that's like a luddite idiocy and but yet that's what the 0.77

00:56:57.220 message of the movie is it's like let's blow up this technology let's this technology becomes self 0.95

00:57:03.720 aware and then it like achieves white guilt and lowers itself into a lava pit i mean this is if you 0.86

00:57:10.860 take a step back from the message of this film it is fucking insane you know like why no we are not 0.95

00:57:19.160 going to give up the technological project that would be uh that would be the equivalent of like group 0.95

00:57:26.280 suicide you might as well go to like a jamestown cult and you know go drink kool-aid i mean it's just

00:57:31.920 no uh we are gonna we are gonna be we are gonna become conscious of technology recognize its potential

00:57:39.740 for good and its potential for great ill and and harness it according to our willpower and we aren't

00:57:47.840 going to we and we're not going to lower ourselves into a pit of lava yeah you know i would say that it's

00:57:55.720 probably related to sort of the the the christian ethos that pervades the film uh that it's anti-science

00:58:02.940 and i don't you know i don't think that that uh is something that um that cameron was thinking i don't

00:58:10.300 think he was consciously linking those two themes or thinking of christianity as anti-science um but i

00:58:15.780 think that that's the consequence of the whole theme is about this sort of you know the huddled in the

00:58:22.640 weak against uh the strong and and evil and um you know it's sort of a it's kind of a tower of

00:58:30.720 babel motif where anything great you know man seeks to achieve um or become uh god will destroy 0.97

00:58:40.280 you know i mean and i think that god you know in this case becomes a proxy um

00:58:46.180 uh you know for the uh uh those faiths uh judaism and christianity um so yeah i think that that's

00:58:56.960 something that's just kind of woven into it um you know the other thing too i would say is that um

00:59:03.800 these luddite themes um at least from the left especially as they concern the environment

00:59:10.640 um uh so the environmentalism of the left i mean i think you know i think environmentalism

00:59:17.640 yeah sure i mean obviously uh i think that we we love and appreciate nature and we absolutely want

00:59:23.940 to preserve it um you know in fact we you know we probably want in the future we probably want

00:59:30.360 smaller populations more manageable populations um and more nature more wilderness you know um

00:59:38.200 but uh you know something that follows a design is you know is is probably the best way to look at

00:59:45.320 it um but i think that a lot of the environmentalism that originates from the left is it it serves a

00:59:54.120 couple of purposes uh one is that it gives them sort of a uh veneer of uh morality right uh because 0.89

01:00:03.380 it's you know i mean it and it makes conservatives look stupid when they're attacking environmentalism 0.66

01:00:09.840 i mean uh so it plays that role of giving this kind of uh veneer of morality uh the second thing is that 0.84

01:00:18.380 it's a kind of uh it's one of these sort of distraction issues um from the more important uh conflict

01:00:27.960 that's occurring which is a which is a largely ethnic conflict i mean anyone who avoids this question

01:00:34.140 is just avoiding you know the important questions that will uh determine uh the future of the world

01:00:41.400 and for either uh better or worse and um so environmentalism becomes this sort of you know easy

01:00:50.440 common um thing that we can all have affection for right uh in the same way that technology

01:00:58.200 for the luddite becomes a common thing that we can all be opposed or even capitalism can be kind of

01:01:04.360 common thing that we all oppose uh because it's not really what we're dealing with those things are not

01:01:10.220 really uh defining the issues that are facing us um so they become distraction issues uh i mean it i guess

01:01:19.420 this is a little bit off topic uh from the film because i don't i don't know no no it's it's not

01:01:23.920 it's not off topic at all i mean this we're just basically musing on on the message of this film

01:01:29.240 uh which is when you're able to make the the logic of the movie conscious conscious and you're able to

01:01:36.660 tease it out i mean we can see how antithetical it is to the way that we want to view the world

01:01:41.340 yeah and there is like avatar is is probably like you know james cameron as he becomes an aging boomer

01:01:51.580 i mean it just becomes sentimental sappy you know vision of a sentimental and sappy vision of

01:02:00.400 of uh you know the third world as these you know mystical um uh down to earth naturally natural

01:02:08.780 conservationist kind of thing it's just it's just it's not a serious uh look at the thing

01:02:14.600 look at the world i mean the fact is like if if nature is going to be going to be conserved it's

01:02:19.640 going to be conserved by us um it's it's actually not going to be conserved by primitive people who 0.89

01:02:26.600 fundamentally don't give a shit yeah no that that is absolutely the case i mean one one little 0.79

01:02:33.880 remark that because i watched again uh the film again in uh preparation for the podcast uh both 0.97

01:02:40.200 films and uh the thing that struck me and i'm sure this will resonate with a lot of the listeners is

01:02:46.480 that um the film you know when i saw it in my relative youth uh in my youth uh i when i saw the film

01:02:57.400 when i was a young guy uh it was a very impactful film all the jokes were just like i am i'm thinking

01:03:05.900 actually specifically of the second film um because i think i was a more sentient film watcher becoming a

01:03:12.740 more sentient film watcher then um but there's a lot of just kind of gags in the film that just

01:03:17.420 they they worked like i i'm thinking of the uh uh you know uh john uh connor trains him to look for

01:03:25.080 the key above the uh in the uh the visor and the sun visor of the car i don't know if you remember

01:03:30.320 that scene and and um you know there's a scene where oh you know one of the scenes uh that really

01:03:38.060 you know watching the film is is a young guy who's just like oh that's kick ass i it was uh the scene 0.51

01:03:45.220 where he is he's chasing uh the t2 the t2 who's driving in a um a big mac truck uh you know down through

01:03:54.460 one of these uh um drainage uh gullies they have in uh california and um he's got a shotgun he pulls

01:04:03.520 the shotgun out and he just kind of with a flick of his wrist he's like uh uh you know pumping the

01:04:08.440 shotgun in this very sort of like dispassionate uh mechanical way and firing like rounds at the at

01:04:14.780 his adversary and i remember watching it as a kid just being like oh the thing is it's just

01:04:25.680 out of control like excellent and cool and um you know obviously i'm older now i've seen the film

01:04:33.300 um but and so i wonder though i wonder if there's two things going on so i we're we're a little bit

01:04:42.640 older now and so we're going to be less impressed by those things we're just less responsive to kind

01:04:47.860 of stimuli in general i mean let's face it right i mean i think that that that probably applies to

01:04:52.860 all the senses as you get older you know i mean it's harder to like find a good hamburger that you

01:04:58.240 really like or find a good meal find a good steak you know i mean it's just part of you become more

01:05:03.560 epicurean naturally as you get older so you're kind of less impressed uh by these these uh sort of

01:05:10.680 cheap thrills and um but i think that there's another piece of this and i think that we're it's

01:05:19.360 not just that we're getting older i think that the age that we live in is getting older and i think our

01:05:25.320 society is getting more aged and we're becoming more cynical and harder to impress and uh so i think

01:05:33.340 that you know probably i mean i think that i i know that in the all right in particular there's this

01:05:37.980 kind of 80s nostalgia um so they they may like the film uh you know even younger guys may like the

01:05:44.420 film disproportionately because of that but i would guess probably in general younger guys are just

01:05:49.140 like most of the stuff out there is just garbage like who cares you know i mean they've seen it all

01:05:54.300 before you know we we are jaded the the whole world is jaded and and i think you can see that by 0.94

01:06:00.860 the fact that the common vernacular of social media is sarcasm you know it's like you can actually look

01:06:10.260 at someone's twitter profile and basically every tweet is sarcastic so basically this person is saying

01:06:17.820 the opposite of what she appears to be saying and there's just something i i don't know what to say

01:06:26.540 like there there is something kind of disturbing about that fact that yeah you know everything's a joke

01:06:35.980 yeah i mean it's it's one of the signs of decadence um but i you know i think that um

01:06:43.500 i don't you know i think that we um but this is i think also part of the process of becoming

01:06:52.040 sophisticated right and less easily fooled and impressed and duped by uh things that are not

01:06:59.220 necessarily uh you know helpful to us in in a in a kind of deeper way which i would include these

01:07:05.460 two films to be honest with you i mean it's in i'm not discouraging from i think people should watch

01:07:09.920 these films and and then listen to this podcast um because i think that they have to start

01:07:16.380 recognize they start to they have to kind of train their lens uh to see how this propaganda works i

01:07:22.520 mean they and that's what it it's probably you know it's not propaganda in the sense that james

01:07:27.680 cameron's like yeah dude why genocide it's obviously not the case and i don't you know i think the guy is

01:07:35.560 himself largely unconscious you know i mean i don't think he's i mean i think he's a semi-sentient

01:07:40.260 filmmaker and the whole christ metaphor was just kind of the deepest thing he could access

01:07:44.500 right yeah um he was like you know he basically went to kind of the root of the culture and said

01:07:49.960 oh well it should be uh you know i should have christ figures because that's you know whatever

01:07:53.600 uh that's deep and uh and on some level it is deep it is i mean as you know we've teased out it is

01:08:00.200 a very deep message um to evaluate uh but yeah so that's just the one thing that i wanted to remark is

01:08:08.120 that these things and i think that the the fact that our world is becoming you know more tasteless in

01:08:19.740 the sense that it's harder to or we're becoming desensitized right um and that doesn't necessarily

01:08:28.660 have to have all negative consequences in my view i think that we can it will also in some way make us

01:08:36.600 uh i don't want to say terminators but it will make us more it'll make us more dispassionate toward

01:08:46.160 uh things that we really have to fucking do we have to start being honest at the very least we 0.79

01:08:52.380 have to start being honest yeah you know the one thing you can appreciate about the terminator 0.97

01:08:56.460 is that you know he's not afraid to walk into a fucking hail of gunfire right and uh maybe that's 0.88

01:09:04.160 something that we should emulate a little bit and just say hey you know what enough's enough i mean 0.97

01:09:09.380 i the ultimate end of all this sarcastic nihilism will be a cold bloodedness and ruthlessness

01:09:17.780 sure and i like i said i mean but that you know i mean i don't think that no one because we're not 0.98

01:09:24.960 the cartoon that they depict we're not the bloodthirsty robot that's fucking killing everyone 0.62

01:09:29.920 that's you know speak for yourself but what um yeah and uh well that's that's pretty badass um

01:09:40.460 no it's cool i'm now more of a fan i'll be i'll be checking your uh your twitter more frequently now

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RadixJournal - August 09, 2017

Unconscious Cinema - The Terminator

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