RadixJournal - What do we make of Matt Livelsberger？

00:00:00.000 Glad you could join me.

00:00:03.680 I'm going to talk about the Matthew Libelsberger case.

00:00:11.780 And, you know, last night on the main show, we engaged in some speculation about what's going on.

00:00:21.120 And we were mainly going off the Cui Bono reasoning and the sort of theatrics of the whole thing.

00:00:32.700 Now, we did that at 7 p.m. my time or 9 p.m. Eastern time.

00:00:40.440 And a lot has come out about Matthew Libelsberger.

00:00:45.020 And I have to say, more questions are raised.

00:00:52.800 And I really don't have any real definite sense of what's happening.

00:01:00.280 And maybe the best explanation is just that he is an unfortunate soul.

00:01:08.800 He's a lost boy.

00:01:10.800 I guess you could say, although he was in his 30s.

00:01:12.680 And not terribly intelligent and fragmented from his war experience and lashing out, I guess, to some extent.

00:01:26.720 Now, I don't think he intended to kill anyone beyond himself.

00:01:32.540 Whether he intended to kill himself is maybe a little bit murky.

00:01:39.620 But he did want to make some sort of theatrical display.

00:01:44.280 He wanted to send a message.

00:01:45.940 I think that's very clear.

00:01:46.920 Now, one thing that I have seen online is a video, a very casual live stream of some kind, done between Matthew Libelsberger and his ex-wife, actually.

00:02:04.580 And I need to be honest.

00:02:10.060 One of the things that I found striking is that he isn't terribly smart.

00:02:18.400 Neither is his ex-wife or then girlfriend or whatever was going on.

00:02:23.520 They were simply vamping about nothing. 0.99

00:02:27.680 Now, of course, you could find some example of me, you know, not at my sharpest, you know, doing a live stream like this or online and say, ah, look at this idiot. 0.99

00:02:41.700 But you know what I mean. 0.98

00:02:43.200 This is a representative.

00:02:44.380 If we take it as a representative example, this guy is very much a normie type, not intelligent.

00:02:53.800 He's not really making a lot of sense, and neither is his wife or girlfriend.

00:03:00.580 And you can see a lot of that as well in some messages that this woman released online that seemed to come from a day or two ago, after which he rented this cyber truck on Turo.

00:03:19.620 And he was bragging about it.

00:03:21.200 And, you know, he said, oh, it's ungodly fast.

00:03:24.080 And, oh, this is so amazing.

00:03:26.260 And I think she even described it as a kid with a new toy or something like that.

00:03:30.180 Now, nothing in those messages would indicate a man who was about to commit suicide.

00:03:36.920 Nothing in those messages would indicate a man who was about to engage in some sort of theatrical display in front of the Trump Hotel.

00:03:44.440 So in many ways, these flirtatious, boyish messages about this amazing new cyber truck raise more questions than give us any answers or insights into his psychology or what he was exactly trying to do.

00:04:04.440 They do suggest that he was trying to reconnect with his ex.

00:04:10.700 Hey, everyone's guilty of this to some degree.

00:04:13.460 I don't judge.

00:04:14.480 But, you know, he seemed to be making some, you know, putting forth some casual message to a woman that he very likely might still have feelings towards and kind of making it fun, making himself seem cool.

00:04:31.700 So, you know, it is what it is.

00:04:34.900 I don't think any man is innocent of trying to reconnect with an old flame or something like that.

00:04:42.820 But, again, it doesn't suggest the state of mind of someone who would about to engage in something like this.

00:04:49.080 Now, I also watched this interview with Sean Ryan, who's kind of like, from what I can tell, I had never encountered him before.

00:05:01.640 But from what I can tell, he seems to be a Tim Poole for an older, maybe a Gen X or even boomer set, former military type people, but very conservative and Republican.

00:05:14.460 I did notice that some of these interviews with Pete Hegseth that were going around, I just saw clips.

00:05:20.480 They actually took place on the show.

00:05:22.260 It's like you're in a dark bar with, you know, leather couches and cigars and whiskey, whatever.

00:05:30.240 But it also has a sort of Tim Poole vibe of people just talking.

00:05:37.880 Anyway, he was interviewing a man whose name escapes me at the moment.

00:05:42.540 And this man is sort of a small-time Sean Ryan by his own description.

00:05:48.940 He has an Instagram account.

00:05:50.740 He talks about military issues, et cetera.

00:05:55.000 And Matthew Livelsberger was desperately trying to get in touch with him.

00:06:00.380 So he goes through the backstory of this guy, emailing him, messaging him on Instagram, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:06:06.840 And he desperately needed to send him a message.

00:06:13.040 And he eventually sent him this email on ProtonMail or some sort of secure service.

00:06:18.040 And this person didn't quite know what to make of it.

00:06:22.880 You know, I've gotten a lot of crazy emails or crazy missives from people, certainly in my career.

00:06:29.300 It's a weird experience in many ways because sometimes you'll start reading and the first, say, 100 words is fairly compelling.

00:06:39.580 And then it just goes off the cliff or off the deep end, so to speak.

00:06:43.680 And you're just like, I don't even know what to make of this.

00:06:47.220 I don't know what to say.

00:06:48.420 I've had some curious experiences with people that I don't know what to say.

00:06:58.540 I don't know if they're suffering from schizophrenia or they've had some pain in their own life and they've lost it.

00:07:06.920 But I don't know what to make of it.

00:07:09.000 I don't know even what to do.

00:07:11.100 They haven't done anything wrong, really.

00:07:13.480 I mean, but should you report this?

00:07:16.300 Anyway, these are all kind of beside the point.

00:07:20.020 So he got a message like this.

00:07:21.860 He had an experience that I've certainly had many times as well.

00:07:26.340 And I imagine he's had it more than I have, being that he's talking to ex-military people and soldiers, et cetera.

00:07:33.740 And there's this, I guess they refer to it as a manifesto.

00:07:37.420 I mean, it's really an email and it seemed to take on two different subject matters.

00:07:44.380 The first is that this guy seems to have been involved in some kind of war crime in Afghanistan.

00:07:52.560 So there was mention of an attack on a drugs facility.

00:07:58.640 The details are sort of escaping me.

00:08:00.500 And this was denounced by the UN, et cetera.

00:08:06.480 Is it a war crime? 0.65

00:08:08.060 And he at least puts forward the notion that he can't live with himself in a way or that he needs to cleanse his mind of all the people he's harmed.

00:08:18.900 So he was involved in something, let's just say, untoward or morally dubious, et cetera.

00:08:25.840 And he wants people to know about it.

00:08:28.540 Now, that's, it's interesting.

00:08:33.380 I mean, look, I've, I've been, I've encountered military people before.

00:08:42.220 There's a sort of kind of military type.

00:08:45.160 There's a personality type.

00:08:46.980 It's self-selective in many ways.

00:08:48.860 It might be top-down selective of the type of, the type of dude they want in the military.

00:08:54.620 And I'm not trying to be rude or, and I'm not even being critical, but from these types of people, I would more often expect them to, to say something like, you know, war is hell.

00:09:11.680 And, yeah, I did some bad things, but so did everyone.

00:09:15.600 That type of attitude.

00:09:17.520 Or, yeah, we did some bad things, but those liberals of the Washington Post, they just made it worse by reporting on it.

00:09:26.420 Or, you know, by reporting on it, you're endangering my guys out there, whatever.

00:09:30.740 Or, it might sound like I'm being demeaning or condescending, but I'm actually not.

00:09:35.500 I think these, this type of guy who thinks in this way is admirable, to some degree, at least.

00:09:45.820 If not a complete person, but you know what I'm talking about.

00:09:49.140 It, it just strikes me as a little bit odd that he's bringing up this thing that might very well be a bad situation or even a war crime, but, you know, I don't know.

00:10:03.860 You're, you've been involved in the U.S. military.

00:10:09.020 It's like, is this the worst thing that's ever happened?

00:10:11.480 I, uh, yeah.

00:10:12.980 Uh, so, that just struck me as a little curious.

00:10:16.040 And I, I'm not trying to deny that he might genuinely feel something about it.

00:10:20.500 It just struck me as a little bit odd.

00:10:23.460 Uh, the other thing that he mentioned was that there is a, and I think he used the adjective, uh, gravitic, gravitic.

00:10:35.760 So it's, it's basically gravity defying, uh, drone operation that have an effect, an unlimited payload.

00:10:43.840 And this is the answer to the, the curiosity of the drones flying on the East coast.

00:10:52.540 I was actually in New York city while that was happening.

00:10:56.000 And many people around me were sort of like, oh my God, this is the biggest thing ever.

00:11:02.240 What's else going on?

00:11:03.080 And then I was just kind of like, yeah, it's called collective delusion.

00:11:08.640 That's, uh, increased by the internet.

00:11:10.540 I just didn't take it that seriously.

00:11:12.680 Maybe I should have, and it certainly is interesting.

00:11:17.080 Uh, but I'm just a little bit skeptical when, uh, a kind of meme gets out there online and

00:11:25.120 then people start to, you know, see what they want to see.

00:11:28.660 There are a lot of planes flying around there.

00:11:32.160 There are three major airports in New York city and there are many others around there.

00:11:37.320 Um, it's not terribly surprising that there's, there are a lot of planes flying around.

00:11:42.960 Anyway, I just dismissed it.

00:11:44.340 Maybe I shouldn't have, but he has an explanation.

00:11:47.300 He thinks that the Chinese are engaging in gravity defying drones with an effect, an unlimited

00:11:56.980 payload.

00:11:57.880 And I don't even understand what his point is.

00:12:00.860 I mean, he needs to reveal this to the world, I guess, but we're risking world war three and

00:12:05.540 it's mutually assured destruction.

00:12:06.920 I guess neither the U S nor the China could stop the other, uh, from engaging in anti, you 0.84

00:12:16.360 know, gravity defying, um, wow.

00:12:19.000 I'm, I'm thinking about wicked here, defying gravity.

00:12:22.740 I did see that movie.

00:12:24.000 Yes.

00:12:24.720 A wicked type of weapon that literally defies gravity and can thus cannot be stopped.

00:12:32.320 You know, it does not obey the laws of physics as we know them, uh, et cetera.

00:12:37.580 Um, okay.

00:12:38.500 That's fascinating.

00:12:40.380 Uh, maybe this is right.

00:12:42.480 I'm highly skeptical, but so what, I guess, I mean, even if you reveal this to the public,

00:12:52.800 uh, what could we do?

00:12:56.340 So now I would say this between Sean O'Ryan and his, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

00:13:02.320 his, his interviewee, I did get the impression from them that they were being honest.

00:13:09.120 Uh, I've seen a lot of truth tellers or whistleblowers, and I'm thinking now of Grush, this person

00:13:18.740 who is telling us all tell, told Congress, in fact, that we, uh, you know, alien life is

00:13:25.060 among us and we have these bodies or whatever.

00:13:27.760 This guy struck me as a totally incredible person with an implausible story.

00:13:35.980 Uh, he was engaging in self-serving, uh, truth telling so that we would finally pay attention

00:13:43.720 to it.

00:13:44.660 I, in other words, I didn't buy it at all.

00:13:47.620 So I've seen these kinds of things where they'll come in with some, you know, secret email or

00:13:53.120 secret message, or they heard something from someone in the know or whatever.

00:13:57.900 And I just don't believe it.

00:13:58.740 Now, in terms of the Sean, uh, Ryan, uh, matter, I actually thought both of them were being

00:14:05.640 completely honest.

00:14:07.380 Uh, I did not get any red flags that they were lying.

00:14:11.360 They, they were treating it objectively.

00:14:13.360 They were expressing skepticism about everything he said.

00:14:16.980 They were repeated, repeating that they could not verify what he said, but it's all interesting

00:14:22.380 and so on.

00:14:23.740 So I, I think they're telling the truth.

00:14:25.380 I think he did get this email and, um, uh, from this man.

00:14:31.240 Now, what's going on now?

00:14:35.600 When, when we were talking about this on the show last night, it, a cyber truck, uh,

00:14:43.360 but maybe the most recognizable car there is at this point, because Elon Musk is so famous,

00:14:51.720 infamous, controversial, et cetera.

00:14:53.680 Uh, it's a sci, it's kind of taken from science fiction, you know, uh, iRobot or total recall

00:15:01.420 that I've always thought it had a total recall vibe to it.

00:15:04.140 Anyway, um, everything about it, every e-grifter is driving a cyber truck or gifting a cyber

00:15:12.340 truck to Donald Trump or whatever.

00:15:14.180 So it's a, it's a highly symbolic car.

00:15:17.740 He didn't just rent a suburban or something.

00:15:21.020 He rented this car and he went to Trump hotel where he apparently committed suicide, uh, and

00:15:30.980 set off a bomb, but a bomb that couldn't really kill anyone.

00:15:37.260 First off, it isn't a cyber truck, but even in any car, uh, you're setting off a bomb with

00:15:42.760 fireworks and, uh, kerosene or something like this.

00:15:46.780 Uh, I mean, it's dangerous to be sure, but it's, it's certainly not this mass casualty event.

00:15:52.920 So what is going on now?

00:15:55.260 Now, one explanation could simply be that this is a broken man, he's committing suicide

00:16:02.440 and he has some little covert narcissistic drive or some sort of theatrical spirit that

00:16:14.380 maybe was repressed throughout his career in the army.

00:16:18.080 And that comes out here.

00:16:19.620 So what happened to him?

00:16:22.640 He was, uh, broken up or divorced from this woman.

00:16:26.820 She's a brunette. 1.00

00:16:28.280 Um, I've heard she's a Bernie supporter.

00:16:30.660 I don't even, I don't put much stock into any of that.

00:16:35.100 Then he has a new wife and reportedly a new child.

00:16:37.860 Now, Sean Ryan, uh, reported on his podcast and I had not heard this elsewhere and I couldn't

00:16:44.200 find it elsewhere.

00:16:45.080 That he said something like a public affairs officer told him this, that, um, the child

00:16:53.420 ain't his.

00:16:54.180 So he was with his new wife who's blonde and the child does this, his son's DNA does not 0.99

00:17:04.400 match up with his.

00:17:05.580 So, uh, the other report, and I have seen this in some mainstream outlets is that he's

00:17:15.080 uh, his wife dumped him on, under the suspicion that he was the one cheating.

00:17:21.060 So I don't know what to make of it, but whatever.

00:17:25.100 Zach happened.

00:17:26.080 Is this simply a guy whose life has been broken and he, I mean, look, you can recover from this

00:17:31.820 stuff, no doubt, but he just sort of goes off the deep end and theatrically commits suicide.

00:17:37.380 Uh, that is very plausible.

00:17:38.940 Now there are some question marks here.

00:17:41.580 So, and I just saw this on Substack with, uh, Deanna Calderon.

00:17:46.500 She, uh, talked about this and I, I thought she said some things that were fairly convincing,

00:17:51.400 which is that, um, he, the gunshot wound that is apparently self-inflicted was, um, shot with

00:18:00.800 a desert Eagle 50 caliber weapon.

00:18:04.180 Now I'm not a gun nut or anything, but from what I understand, this is a massively powerful

00:18:09.700 handgun, the kind of thing you would want to kill a bear with or something.

00:18:13.540 And, you know, needless to say, uh, that's going to be pretty effective if it's self-inflicted,

00:18:19.100 but she was saying what, what exactly happened?

00:18:21.780 Because this gun is so loud that it would have appeared, it would have been heard on these

00:18:29.460 videos that we have.

00:18:31.740 Secondly, it would have gone through his head and gone through the windshield or even the

00:18:35.900 siding of the cyber truck.

00:18:38.120 The cyber truck isn't quite the indestructible Mad Max mobile that Elon Musk might think it

00:18:48.100 is or tell people that it is.

00:18:50.260 So what's exactly happening here?

00:18:54.800 Was he, did he kill himself or was he perhaps shot?

00:18:58.940 And then the, the full self driving, I'll put that in scare quotes.

00:19:03.360 There is some degree of, of, of automated driving, um, with the cyber truck and Tesla's that it

00:19:10.900 just sort of rolled into Trump tower.

00:19:13.580 I mean, there are a lot of weird questions raised and this again, uh, begins to suggest,

00:19:26.880 like, is there this symbolic aspect to it?

00:19:30.360 No, it wasn't the radically anti-social act of say the new Orleans shooter where he was just

00:19:38.540 taking people out, uh, willy nilly and just, just lashing out at society and, and, and the

00:19:46.560 most horrible way possible.

00:19:48.300 Um, but it was a sort of attack on Trump, an attack from a military veteran who was a Trump

00:20:00.400 fan by all reports.

00:20:01.900 What do we make of it?

00:20:07.080 Um, what is the symbolism of it all?

00:20:10.360 Now, again, the simplest solution is that this is just a broken man who has a little covert

00:20:18.180 theatrical streak.

00:20:19.780 And if he's going to go out, he's going to go out in front of the Trump hotel in a cyber

00:20:25.700 truck or something like that.

00:20:27.420 Uh, but I, I still think it sort of lends itself to, to it, it raises the question of, is something

00:20:36.140 else going on here?

00:20:37.540 Is, is this a sort of still like a directed attack on Trump or some sort of warning?

00:20:44.740 I don't know. 0.83

00:20:45.960 Well, sometimes I would mention that I, I do think this man is not intelligent.

00:20:53.140 And, um, here I would disagree with Sean Ryan and his, uh, interviewee who, you know,

00:20:59.980 they think all these military guys are super intelligent because they're kind of very well

00:21:05.040 trained and competent.

00:21:06.820 Um, uh, I, I generally judge people by verbal intelligence.

00:21:11.440 Can you make a point?

00:21:14.340 Can you offer an insight?

00:21:15.460 Can you describe reality effectively? 1.00

00:21:19.180 Uh, this guy can't, this guy is a dumb ass for me. 1.00

00:21:23.320 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:21:24.320 Uh, who probably was very well trained in the military, but is just a dude to be honest.

00:21:33.300 Uh, so the simplest, the simplest explanation is that he has a sort of covert theatrical narcissistic

00:21:43.980 urge and he wanted to kill himself in spectacular fashion, but I don't know, just so many questions.

00:21:51.920 Um, it's, it's, it's kind of difficult to answer questions in the chat, but if you want to ask them, you can, or if you want to come up, I can let you up.

00:22:07.140 Um, so chat away or otherwise I've sort of said my piece on this.

00:22:22.700 Yeah.

00:22:23.240 Lisa Grande said, I think Sean is exploiting a dead man who clearly had a mental breakdown.

00:22:27.640 Yes.

00:22:29.080 Prior military.

00:22:30.160 Uh, okay.

00:22:34.440 All right.

00:22:35.660 Um, yeah.

00:22:39.720 Sean Ryan thinks he's still alive.

00:22:41.920 Um, that was suggested.

00:22:43.760 I mean, that's speculation.

00:22:44.940 The body was supposedly burned beyond recognition.

00:22:49.500 Um, all right.

00:22:50.840 Someone said hot dog.

00:22:54.320 Uh, I'll invite you to join.

00:22:56.160 You got some insights.

00:22:57.720 The body was supposedly burned beyond recognition, but they did, um, they did locate some tattoos from what I've heard.

00:23:08.700 And there were, you know, his identification was in the car and it survived the blast.

00:23:16.120 Although, yeah, don't want to be too tinfoil hatty, but that, I don't, it's, it is funny when these guys have all this, um, uh, government issued identification just on their, on their personal time.

00:23:29.820 I don't know.

00:23:30.160 I guess I have my driver's license on me most all the time, but, um, it is a little bit curious.

00:23:38.380 Let's just say, um, getting some hot dog emojis.

00:23:45.660 No idea what that means.

00:23:49.180 Uh, what sort of message could you possibly see this being intended to communicate?

00:23:54.120 I don't know.

00:23:55.300 I mean, we were speculating last night.

00:23:57.520 I mean, it's, it's a cyber truck blowing up at Trump tower. 0.95

00:24:03.120 I mean, many people looked at that on, on, on Twitter X or whatever the fuck it's called now. 0.93

00:24:08.520 And they're saying, oh, this is a metaphor for the Trump administration. 0.99

00:24:12.900 It's going up in flames.

00:24:14.800 The cyber truck is blowing up at Trump hotel.

00:24:17.680 It's just bad.

00:24:18.380 I mean, I get that.

00:24:19.660 I, I had the same impression in fact, but.

00:24:22.800 I don't know the idea of a self-driving truck with a dead man inside that blows up at Trump

00:24:34.300 hotel.

00:24:34.600 It seems like it's an attack on Trump.

00:24:36.780 It seems like it's a, maybe it's a kind of warning, but it's some sort of hostile act

00:24:43.180 towards Trump that I don't know.

00:24:45.460 All right.

00:24:52.160 Hot dog.

00:24:52.860 I did invite you to come up, but if you're not going to come up, then you're not going

00:24:55.880 to come up.

00:24:57.180 All right.

00:24:59.220 I'll just cancel that request.

00:25:03.960 Maybe he thinks Elon has Trump under his thumb.

00:25:06.320 Um, yeah, I mean, uh, you could definitely see that, but, um, I, I, I don't think there

00:25:15.380 is there.

00:25:15.800 I didn't get that impression from listening to his manifesto.

00:25:19.960 If you want to call that as really just an email.

00:25:22.600 Um, and, uh, I'm not sure this guy was a must critic.

00:25:29.560 I think he's one of these right-wing dudes that love bus love Trump love Silicon Valley,

00:25:38.940 right?

00:25:39.260 Surrounded them, surrounding them.

00:25:42.000 Uh, I just don't get the impression that he's hypercritical.

00:25:47.700 Yeah.

00:25:48.260 I think it's funny how quickly must acted to disprove the truck caught on fire as a defect.

00:25:52.900 Yes.

00:25:53.420 The other thing that I found extremely dubious was that the, uh, the, the police were saying,

00:26:03.160 oh, we're so thankful to Tesla because they came in right away and gave us all the information.

00:26:11.180 Uh, I think you should be doing that.

00:26:14.540 Clearly Tesla has some sort of interest that they would want to protect in giving information

00:26:21.260 about this accident.

00:26:22.160 Like, let's say this was a incredible coincidence, but it actually was a defect in the, in the

00:26:33.780 cybertruck and it killed a passenger and just randomly blew up.

00:26:39.420 Well, Tesla does not want that to be known.

00:26:43.100 I mean, Elon Musk and Tesla would, would want this to be known of like, what were his motives?

00:26:48.520 Was he striking out against society?

00:26:51.020 Was he schizophrenic?

00:26:52.600 We might never know.

00:26:54.100 But the one thing we do know is that cyber trucks are great and they, you can't even commit

00:26:58.940 terrorism in them because they're so strong.

00:27:01.820 That's what he would want to say.

00:27:05.500 So, you know, you can't, if you're a serious police force, you can't allow someone who is

00:27:10.520 directly interested in this case, give, give you evidence.

00:27:15.700 Uh, this exposed, uh, just how much data Tesla collects from their vehicles.

00:27:25.980 Yeah, I know that is actually incredible thing.

00:27:29.380 All right, guys, um, I will sign off here.

00:27:35.720 I just wanted to do a short little, uh, discussion of this, get some things off my chest.

00:27:41.380 All right.

00:27:42.240 Well, I will talk to you guys soon.

00:27:44.740 Bye.

00:27:59.380 Bye.

00:28:00.260 Bye.

00:28:00.400 Bye.

00:28:15.820 Bye.

RadixJournal - January 04, 2025

What do we make of Matt Livelsberger？

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