RadixJournal - Who Is HAL？

00:00:00.000 yeah 1968 uh this movie still is monumentally influential um and it's perhaps most influential

00:00:13.500 through parody or reference to it uh it is usually up there on these various lists you might find

00:00:22.080 from bfi or american movie classics or something as it's usually somewhere in the top 10 of the

00:00:30.360 greatest films ever made sometimes in the top five i i do think that there is serious messaging going on

00:00:41.100 but as with a lot of things with kubrick that messaging is layered and obscured really by

00:00:50.760 the nature of the film itself so kubrick had basically two hits on his hands by the 1960s

00:00:59.980 and that is lolita and dr strangelove lolita was actually nominated for best picture dr strangelove

00:01:07.760 was putting kubrick in a place of a a modern auteur but also someone who could create box office hits

00:01:17.500 i think he was originally given about four million dollars um in 1964 1965 this this was a long

00:01:26.400 process of filmmaking uh most of it was filmed in 1966 there was a law long post-production

00:01:32.920 and that budget ballooned to 11 million or so and it produced 150 million so this was a highly

00:01:42.620 successful movie there were certainly people who claimed you know i don't get it where's the story

00:01:48.740 etc but overwhelmingly it became legendary pretty quickly kubrick also as you probably know did have

00:01:58.740 a foot in the kind of 1950s biblical epics let's say and i think that actually does tell us a little

00:02:10.440 bit about what this movie might very well really be about um he of course was hired to direct uh spartacus

00:02:22.100 starring kirk douglas and uh he came on late in the game it wasn't really his film but you can see a lot

00:02:31.260 of kubrick in that movie and it and it is a classic you can tell that kubrick came from the hollywood

00:02:39.500 that was creating these massive biblical epics like the ten commandments ben-hur etc and i actually

00:02:48.640 would suggest that thinking about 2001 in that way might help to unlock it as you also might know

00:02:57.960 2001 was a different film in many ways i mean it's it's obviously hugely different than any film ever

00:03:08.760 made i mean uh watching it i am kind of amazed at his confidence to do what he did he was around 35 to

00:03:18.060 40 when this film was produced if i was a relatively young guy and i was working in hollywood the thought

00:03:25.640 of just doing this having a film in which the first 20 minutes i believe is silent there's no dialogue

00:03:34.740 and then repeat that again with you know the final lines are again haywood floyd he opens and closes the

00:03:41.240 dialogue uh basically announcing that you know the purpose of this monolith is still a mystery and then

00:03:47.360 going on for another 20 to 30 minutes of uninterrupted visuals it is remarkable there obviously is no love

00:03:58.580 interest although i guess maybe there is on some deep level there are there are women in this movie but 1.00

00:04:05.800 um they play very side roles there's certainly no traditional romance there even the action

00:04:13.280 is often off screen um and again the level of confidence to produce a movie like this and then show

00:04:23.540 it to the american public and for them to overall like it it made 10 times its budget or something like

00:04:29.100 that is just shows a level of confidence and mastery that we should all aspire to um as you might know

00:04:37.000 this was filmed in cinerama so it was i guess the the best comparison to it is imax so it is a

00:04:44.960 massive screen um it is not a domed screen um but it is a massive screen that basically takes up the

00:04:55.820 entirety of your vision um also in many theaters where it was played and i i do think this is

00:05:03.240 significant there was actually the use of a curtain in the overture uh people might very well have been

00:05:11.140 um getting seated um getting seated excuse me having a bite of popcorn and then the curtains would

00:05:19.140 actually part and reveal the mgm logo with the lion um it the logo itself might actually very well be

00:05:28.540 significant another major aspect of this is the use of music which is interesting and heady

00:05:41.140 but i think also might give us a sense of what kubrick is trying to do so there was a man i believe

00:05:50.540 his name was peter north who was a composer who was hired to write a read the original score for the

00:05:57.440 film and he in fact did write a score for the film and kubrick cut every note of it and instead he used

00:06:06.760 famous recordings um perhaps significantly um including from herbert von karian boom was another

00:06:17.080 one who was a very famous um uh member of the national socialist party uh maybe that has nothing to do

00:06:23.460 with it kubrick creates movies that are so layered i think it does have something to do with it but

00:06:28.920 now ligetti is a um postmodern conductor uh worked with the schoenberg's 12 tone method although just

00:06:40.220 as you can tell um worked in a way that he's creating that kind of music that people

00:06:47.520 you know joke about you know having to plug their ears or it's dissonant you don't know where it's going

00:06:52.920 it's chaotic and i think kubrick was using it for that effect so you hear ligetti at the beginning

00:07:00.780 um with what i think what i would suggest represents um chaos before creation um and i think the music

00:07:09.800 is perfect for that you hear also these kind of choral music and with the the monolith and there's a

00:07:18.500 haunting but almost you know it's it's dissonant and chaotic but almost religious like in its sound

00:07:26.440 and then um you in the final moments of the this what's called the stargate moment that's what

00:07:34.540 usually people call it that's not anywhere in the text or in the script or anything beyond the infinite

00:07:42.520 that piece is actually entitled requiem and that might very well be significant there are two other

00:07:49.880 famous pieces now there there's a um cacciatorian ballet suite that is played and it's very kind of

00:07:59.540 melancholic it's played when after we meet haywood floyd um dave bowman and frank pool ship is traveling

00:08:08.380 from left to right across the screen and you have this kind of melancholic ballet and it kind of sets

00:08:13.300 the mood for life on that ship which is lifeless and emotionless and you know hal is the only one 0.96

00:08:21.720 there with personality and things like that so there's that the the two most famous are of course a

00:08:28.160 first off the very famous piece also sprock zarathustra by rickhard strauss famous for the you know

00:08:36.780 so one five one and then three three flat so it's spelling out the basic language of music basically

00:08:51.400 the tonic and the dominant or c and g or it's it's like if you were to try to get to a root

00:08:57.200 of harmony it would be the perfect fifth and he he starts out with that and it is kind of the beginning

00:09:04.500 of the world richard strauss also evokes nietzsche and this and not just nietzsche but thus spoke zarathustra

00:09:13.680 at the end of the film were of course greeted with the star child who is a kind of evolution of of

00:09:25.060 bowman or maybe reincarnation of bowman or something i i think that you can even see bowman's face in the

00:09:31.680 child in the in the fetus so i think it is bowman i don't think this is an alien i think it's an

00:09:37.300 advancement of mankind by using that music specifically he is evoking he's he's evoking

00:09:45.220 strauss obviously he's evoking nietzsche and not just nietzsche but zarathustra and not just zarathustra

00:09:51.100 but one of zarathustra's key images in also spoke zarathustra which is the the child as part of the

00:10:00.560 three metamorphoses so he has the metamorphoses of the camel uh who in effect bears the burden 0.83

00:10:10.540 and you could i i think nietzsche is mostly thinking about a kind of monk like person a religious person

00:10:21.480 who's maintaining this order and bearing the burden of life and morality and continuing it but

00:10:31.880 in a completely uncreative fashion a camel can walk across the desert of course

00:10:38.100 then he evokes a lion that is basically the power of negation uh in in a dialectic so

00:10:47.700 the lion has claws and it fiercely attacks the um what he imagines as the ultimate immorality which is a

00:10:58.120 serpent or dragon with scales and he's slashing away at it it's he's he's engaging in just extreme

00:11:07.040 pure criticism but even the lion can't quite be creative this is why i mentioned a little bit

00:11:13.460 earlier that that mgm logo might actually be extremely significant if we know kubrick as

00:11:20.300 straight you know usually forget about the logos you're just paying respects to the people who put

00:11:25.560 up the money for these movies but i with someone like kubrick i don't think it's too much to suggest

00:11:30.880 that that was an artistic choice it comes after the overture and then finally nietzsche imagines

00:11:37.760 of the metamorphosis after all this criticism has been done and in a way the old morality has been

00:11:44.600 torn apart a child will arise and this is a child in many ways without memory without any sort of burden

00:11:55.020 of the past or existing morality who can think for his or herself in a way and be creative and see the

00:12:03.280 world as kind of free play and you know i i i think kubrick could have evoked this was simply the image

00:12:13.540 of the fetus the star child but with that image um superimposed over rickhard strauss's zarathustra

00:12:21.620 piece tone poem it hammers at home i mean clearly kubrick is evoking this very strongly uh there's also

00:12:32.920 the johann strauss waltz which is it's interesting that rickhard and johann share a surname and that

00:12:41.060 also might be significant but strauss there's that kind of lightness of the three four time waltz

00:12:48.340 and it's it's the blue danube is the um very famous piece that is being played and there's a kind of

00:12:56.900 frivolity and uh irony also i would say um that piece also plays over the end credits and this is

00:13:07.420 what i'm what i would suggest with this film is that there are many layers to it and there are many

00:13:14.820 collaborators who joined with kubrick but ultimately he was playing his own game it's a very similar thing

00:13:23.440 with the shining where he adapts this stephen king novel and very early on stephen king just loathes it

00:13:33.280 you've betrayed the novel you've turned it into your own thing well this is how what kubrick does he

00:13:39.760 needs some sort of source material and and actually there are multiple source materials that he's trying to

00:13:48.360 to reference and integrate and he takes these as his own vehicle and pushes them forward into some

00:13:57.720 place that i think his collaborators aren't even quite aware of um so almost just as famous as the movie

00:14:06.460 is the book here's my copy actually 2001 by arthur c clark and it actually was released a few months

00:14:16.980 after the movie um kubrick hired and paid arthur c clark himself before getting funding from mgm so arthur c clark

00:14:28.820 was kubrick's employee as it were now arthur c clark is a um monumentally famous and important person in his

00:14:38.220 own right um he might um he might perhaps his greatest impact if not this film was the fact that he wrote an article

00:14:48.620 speculating about linking the planet through satellite communications where every single person on the planet

00:14:56.800 would be instantaneously connected to another um you know you have to imagine these things before you can implement

00:15:06.220 implement them and he did that so he is a a genius and a a technologist futurist of the highest order

00:15:15.720 um he also wrote many many um short stories and novels and novellas uh in which he explored many of

00:15:27.180 these themes and so kubrick's idea was that there's never been a great science fiction movie we want to

00:15:33.760 create the first good science fiction movie so we might almost need to create our own source material

00:15:39.900 and so he hired uh clark to write this novel and that of course took place over the over a few years

00:15:49.140 um the novel does divert from the movie in some very significant and important ways most notably

00:15:59.660 in the monolith itself which is depicted as a crystal in the novel it is a large monolith but it's a crystal

00:16:09.880 and it's actually transparent um kubrick went in a very different way which is to have this black

00:16:19.980 monolith which is effectively stone and thus reminds us also of some prehistoric monoliths

00:16:29.520 like um stonehenge perhaps most famously but there there are many other many other examples of this

00:16:35.500 around the world where hunter-gatherer situations you want to call them that we're kind of emerging

00:16:42.700 into what we would understand as civilization and we're able to manipulate stone actually in ways that

00:16:51.380 it's still incredible to this day um the uh giza pyramids and so on are other examples of this um

00:17:01.140 so it evokes the past in that way it evokes stone and i think it might very well evoke other things as

00:17:10.300 well uh so kubrick is his own person kubrick is also a rather cagey and esoteric type artist and

00:17:21.940 reading the novel although it is a good novel and really interesting i i think might actually be

00:17:29.280 rather deceptive in terms of what kubrick is trying to do um another one of these deceptive facts

00:17:38.580 is that arthur c clark in his way kind of wants to explain everything um and i think kubrick thinks

00:17:47.440 more metaphorically and allows something to be ambiguous so it both is this thing and is something

00:17:55.620 much bigger than that i mean an excellent example of this is how the computer um so this is from

00:18:04.340 chapter 16 of of 2001 the sixth member of the crew cared for none of these things for it was not human

00:18:11.740 it was the highly advanced howl 9000 computer the brain and nervous system of the ship howl for

00:18:19.380 heuristically programmed algorithmic computer no less was a masterwork of the third computer breakthrough

00:18:27.040 um and he goes on talking about the development the early developments of computers with um vacuum tubes

00:18:34.760 and then the you know move towards silicon and the creation of an intelligence that was almost human

00:18:42.100 well i don't i i think something like the heuristically programmed algorithmic computer is

00:18:49.940 uh a euphemism or or cover story as it were about what this film is actually about and i think there's also

00:19:00.040 some layers to who howl actually is and i think there's an interesting debate to be had about his relationship

00:19:10.320 to the monolith his relationship to humanity as well um perhaps one of the most famous

00:19:19.540 ideas is howl is ibm so if you it's h a l if you move the letters up one letter h becomes i a becomes b um l

00:19:33.800 becomes m so it's ibm uh ibm also does appear in the film um when bowman is searching for frank pool who's

00:19:44.520 who's you know flowing out into deep space uh he actually moves and touches a panel on his um arm

00:19:53.320 and you can see an ibm logo there there's some other references so i i definitely think

00:20:00.920 kubrick might be telling you this is ibm but i think even that is kind of a cover story and

00:20:07.420 that is kind of an exoteric layer to what howl represents um i do think the names are very significant

00:20:21.060 um so you can see here the cast list there's dr dave bowman none of these actors had

00:20:29.640 huge careers and and as you could see there there is a kind of minimalist acting style that kubrick

00:20:37.880 is promoting in this film um emotionless uh very realistic in some ways uh but stylized in others so

00:20:50.400 his name is david bowman david we know what that represents that name one of the most famous jews maybe

00:21:01.660 the uh second most famous jews to jesus christ um bowman is also very interesting um the uh key to

00:21:11.640 unlocking that might be the very title itself in odyssey so the is the archer that he is referencing

00:21:19.460 odysseus uh uh likely although you could take this even further um frank pool frank as that word is

00:21:32.380 used is also very interesting uh very kind of informative um to be frank as we say but of course

00:21:40.820 that references the franks and france um and german peoples pool is also interesting

00:21:49.320 um i uh there might be some components to that i i do think that there's a an important water pool

00:21:58.700 um that the ape men are gathering by i think that perhaps is what the reference is uh haywood floyd

00:22:11.900 i'm not as sure about that one um i've already discussed how and then it is interesting that

00:22:20.220 the one ape who is able to communicate with the monolith and basically has some kind of knowledge 0.99

00:22:30.540 implanted in him is named moon watcher uh and this is explained in the book as well of you know this

00:22:39.980 ape man who doesn't really have our our memory and doesn't quite have our consciousness but you know

00:22:46.840 they're the way he's described by clark like he has a certain awareness of things and there's a

00:22:53.960 touching scene even where is his father dies as you know these apes do uh and he ultimately takes 1.00

00:23:03.900 his father outside of the cave to be eaten by um leopards or you know some kind of primitive beast

00:23:11.520 and yet he feels something he actually mourns for a little bit so you can see in this ape man 0.81

00:23:19.960 as he's depicted by clark a kind of awakening towards some kind of humanity um but it's curious

00:23:27.760 that he's called moon watcher so he's always staring up at the moon and he'll sometimes reach

00:23:33.960 out and try to touch the moon but he seems to communicate with the moon and i also think that

00:23:42.520 that is highly significant um one more thing before i pass the baton and also before we start kind of

00:23:50.680 watching some selections so a lot of times with kubrick one film will lead to the next one and

00:23:58.540 there will be some kind of idea that gets raised in a film and he wants to further develop it in

00:24:09.520 another one and of course all of his films are kind of referencing each other they they all of his films

00:24:15.700 kind of exist in the same cinematic universe as it were uh stylistically symbolically and in even with

00:24:25.600 references in terms of scenes and things like that there there's certain looks there's certain

00:24:31.240 aesthetic choices and symbols that seem to recur one i'll just throw this out there you know after

00:24:40.860 after the ape men communicate with monolith they of course you know understand how to use weapons and 1.00

00:24:47.620 they start beating up the other tribe and slapping him there's this weird scene in full metal jacket

00:24:52.820 where um sergeant pile is being beaten by uh pillowcases filled with soap and the the reminiscence

00:25:01.920 is kind of uncanny now you could say oh it's it's the same director so he kind of does things in a certain

00:25:06.340 way sure but i i think he might actually be kind of interlocking his movies and um that is uh very

00:25:16.880 interesting but anyway why i mentioned this was that uh dr strange love was you know maybe kubrick's

00:25:26.420 first big artistic triumph where he used satire and and irony and horror and political commentary to

00:25:36.220 create a sensation of a film and understandably kubrick along with clark were intensely concerned

00:25:48.200 with nuclear warfare in fact both of them thought that a nuclear war war between the soviet union and

00:25:56.380 the united states would likely occur in their lifetimes and they were certainly not alone in having this fear

00:26:05.200 and that of course is what dr strange love is about there was one interview with kubrick where he says

00:26:12.360 well it's not even just warfare itself it's the this weapon is so terrible that even an accident or a

00:26:19.660 sabotage could set off the end of humanity a chain of a domino that would chain that would lead to the end

00:26:26.640 of humanity and he said even if there's a 99.9 percent chance that won't happen that actually means there's

00:26:34.200 a hundred percent chance of the course of 20 years so again very understandable fears but i think

00:26:41.240 also some of these things might kind of unlock what 2001 is ultimately about ultimately about so

00:26:48.660 this is actually a discarded voiceover from the the script of dr strange love the full consequences of

00:26:56.240 nuclear weapons seem to escape all governments and their people when the primitive organization of

00:27:01.900 sovereign nation state still flourished and the archaic institution of war had not yet been forbidden by law

00:27:08.580 what do you imagine this was a again a discarded voiceover what he imagined was that

00:27:16.240 they were at the either beginning or the end of dr strange love they would show an image of a desert very much

00:27:24.300 like the dawn of man image and they you would have this alien narrate this these lines so he was like an

00:27:34.120 enlightened alien looking upon the folly of humanity and lamenting the fact that they had they still

00:27:41.640 were engaged in the primitive superstitions of nation states and war almost like we we would look on the

00:27:49.020 middle ages and lament that they were still engaging in bloodletting or um burning witches or something

00:27:56.400 like that just as this primitive formation um again this was discarded i think kubrick does have a tendency

00:28:05.360 to as opposed to just telling you what something's about he'll instead engage in a certain kind of

00:28:12.780 irony so instead of this heavy-handed voiceover that's almost sanctimonious you instead have this ironic

00:28:21.920 light touch of the we you meet again with nuclear weapons going on um and i i think kubrick always makes

00:28:31.900 those choices and i and he allows the visual to tell the story um very similarly with arthur c clark in 2001

00:28:41.240 kubrick was in charge he was the director of this picture he had final say arthur c clark was writing

00:28:49.140 many voiceovers that would effectively explain all of these situations kubrick ultimately discarded them

00:28:56.840 and he created a film that's visual and mystical and is asking you to interpret things

00:29:05.940 and i think also is a way to visually convey messages that would have been lost perhaps if arthur c clark's

00:29:17.340 narration had simply told you what the movie is about

00:29:20.600 but i do think that the movie is about human evolution and enlightenment but it's also about human

00:29:30.060 extinction it is a sci-fi almost atheistic fantasy but i also think that it has one foot in the

00:29:44.740 biblical epics of the decade prior and

00:29:50.760 this tension is actually very important in understanding that i think your reading is correct

00:29:59.180 i think that the um i think that there is a kind of i don't know that this film is atheistic though i

00:30:05.860 think i would take it is yeah i think it's atheistic on the surface yeah yeah i mean it seems like a kind

00:30:14.220 of uh frivolous comparison but there are similarities to um a seagull superman actually um it's evident that

00:30:24.400 kubrick is referencing nietzsche in this film i think that that's you know kind of without question

00:30:29.800 but he it's kind of he but i think in in some ways he's he's returning symbols to jews or he's kind of

00:30:36.860 like taking ownership of symbols again from nietzsche um and and so in that way it's similar to uh

00:30:45.280 seagull superman which is also an effort to take a symbol from nietzsche or kind of redefine the

00:30:53.120 superman and with seagull he makes the superman jewish um famously um so i think similar there's a

00:31:03.240 kind of similar dynamic occurring here as well um i think that i mean kubrick is a master filmmaker

00:31:09.720 there's no question about it and this is a great film but i think so the the it's much less obvious

00:31:17.900 that it's occurring with 2001 uh than when you look at uh seagull superman it where it seems pretty

00:31:25.880 obvious uh i think the film itself in my view um the monolith is is definitely a reference to yahweh or

00:31:36.300 the jewish god um so now you could say well uh that's reductive or it's not giving the film enough

00:31:44.300 credit or but i think that that's i mean i i would i would strongly assert that that's the symbol that

00:31:51.320 uh this uh black monolith represents and there's a number of reasons in the film itself um ends up

00:31:58.180 kind of revealing or confirming a lot of uh my a lot of my thesis regarding proto-jews for example so in

00:32:05.400 other words it's not just referencing the bible though it is doing that i think that that's in um

00:32:11.940 you mentioned this water source that becomes a kind of symbol at the beginning of the film

00:32:16.300 uh there's also in the in the hebrew bible isaac and abraham are also battling with philistines over

00:32:24.480 wells right ownership of wells uh in i think it's genesis 26 or thereabouts um so there's a

00:32:35.220 or that's when isaac is is kind of renewing this battle uh for ownership of wells in um you know

00:32:42.960 what will become ancient israel um against these philistines um and there i think that i i have the

00:32:51.600 reading that the wells also represent sexual resource right so that they there's a kind of

00:32:56.340 vaginal significance to the wells as well um but i think that that's what's occurring in the beginning

00:33:01.660 of the film with these uh cavemen uh battling over this water resource now you can read it as just a

00:33:08.920 water resource or whatever the case might be but inherently of course if you're gaining resources

00:33:14.240 you're gaining sexual access um yeah it's you know with resources come brides or women so it's it's almost 0.67

00:33:22.480 even unnecessary it's almost even unnecessary to point to the well as a vaginal symbol in that regard 0.79

00:33:28.720 but what what is conveyed in the film though is that these apes get gain an advantage uh by

00:33:37.080 uh through religion effectively or through their connection to yahweh or this this symbol this stone

00:33:44.480 that represents a divine power so religion becomes a way it becomes a kind of technology that allows them

00:33:51.440 to wage warfare against other other otherwise equal tribes right so in other words there's no

00:33:58.520 there's no way to distinguish between these two ape tribes except that one's basically got this god 0.99

00:34:03.760 force on its side that's giving it a kind of intelligence but represents a kind of technology

00:34:09.320 that makes it invincible against this other tribe of um apes uh and so i think that that's the message 0.94

00:34:17.340 um that kubrick is conveying is that religion represents a technology that allows dominance and success

00:34:25.720 against other you know human or primate groups um human groups of course right is the metaphor 0.91

00:34:31.920 um and you know and but you know there are other and you could go a little deeper with some of this

00:34:38.940 stuff like the bone even could uh have a phallic significance as opposed to uh just representing a

00:34:44.760 weapon for example do you do you think that the murder is a kind of cain and abel reference as well

00:34:52.240 um because i felt that this whole thing was like you know the ligetti music at the beginning was

00:34:59.440 the the chaos and the primal you know notes of of rickhard strauss were kind of like bringing form

00:35:11.520 you know you bring music you have the the the tonic and dominant note the the basis of all harmony and

00:35:19.020 music and so it's it's kind of like a creation story um and then yahweh appears to these primitive men 0.93

00:35:30.120 um so i guess i guess they're in the they're in the garden to some extent i guess and and and i think

00:35:36.220 see i think there might just be a lot of kind of conflation here but it's all it's all biblical i mean

00:35:40.820 in some ways moon watcher is less innocent after committing a murder you know there there's a kind of

00:35:47.500 innocence of living among the animals and then you you learn something you gain a certain consciousness

00:35:54.280 and you're ultimately the one that's going to kill them and this is expressed in the novel as well how

00:36:00.620 at the beginning the apes might just kind of fight a little bit but they really didn't have the time

00:36:05.920 or energy to engage in in all-out warfare they were desperately trying to survive

00:36:12.280 well but then now you're a murderer well what i would say is that um the distinction of course or

00:36:19.160 the important distinction is that cain um loses the favor of yahweh through his murder right um whereas

00:36:27.000 i don't think that that occurs in this instance true very very important yes yeah and uh so um i mean

00:36:34.940 i think it's it does have that feel though and but in i think that in in that's actually sort of

00:36:40.840 helpful for the kind of esotericism of the film because someone could very easily kind of come to

00:36:45.100 the conclusion that that it's a reference to cain and abel but then from there they might sort of lose

00:36:50.840 the thread right because uh cain in cain i read as a gentile figure um uh even though in the middle

00:36:59.600 ages he would be associated with the wandering jew but i think i think a kind of better reading of

00:37:04.860 cain who's the firstborn of adam um is that he's a gentile figure and he's a kind of marshal he's a

00:37:10.940 farmer he's he's like mars um the farmer he's like adam too adam was also a farmer um and abel is a

00:37:19.000 shepherd uh and seth as well as a shepherd and seth kind of replaces abel after he's killed in in fact

00:37:25.420 my reading is that both cain and abel are gentile figures ultimately and that seth and yahweh are sort

00:37:32.660 of the jewish figures in that um in that story of the story of essentially four figures um but that

00:37:42.360 abel in fact in that abel is a gentile figure just briefly is kind of revealed by his name which means

00:37:48.260 idol or vanity and uh vapor as well so he's he's evidently not indicated as a figure of permanence

00:37:57.320 or or a figure um um a jewish figure essentially right because there is this idea of abidance with

00:38:05.980 jews um the symbol of the stone for example uh would be one of those symbols that indicates 0.96

00:38:11.020 abidance right so abel represents something that kind of opposite or contrary to that

00:38:16.760 um and also there is uh some language in the hebrew bible that suggests that it might actually be

00:38:23.640 you know because there are making uh the the hebrew in the hebrew bible i argue um and it's most obvious

00:38:30.380 with seth because seth the name seth is also found with the egyptian god seth or seth um but their

00:38:37.540 reference is being made to cults in um egypt with these names but abel in particular is understood as

00:38:46.100 raw which is raw is um means shepherd so his his name is not um raw but he's called raw like he's

00:38:55.320 the first one who's called raw i believe which means shepherd but it also means seer and it has a

00:39:00.660 connection to um eyesight um and all these symbols are attached to raw who is you know represented by

00:39:08.160 the eye of raw for example and that word even means may mean falcon and raw was a falcon headed uh god

00:39:16.660 you know i mean so i think that there's indications that abel is a reference to raw um and raw is a kind

00:39:25.420 of solar celestial god um if he's not airing invention in invention right this is another question if he's not

00:39:34.320 airing in invention he is an airing symbol so he represents airing nobility or the pharaohs he

00:39:40.760 represents a uh ruling nobility you know i mean um and he's a kind of shepherd that is killed by this

00:39:48.560 other i argues a gentile figure in cain and but that opens the door for seth who is you know and also

00:39:56.580 yahweh is kind of orchestrating these things because yahweh's favoring abel but then abel dies and

00:40:02.440 yahweh favors seth and i argue he may even be the father of seth some of the hoop seems to indicate

00:40:08.180 that i think you understand my point but yeah we're off let's focus let's focus on the monolith

00:40:13.160 itself i mean so well so the stone is a symbol becomes one of these symbols of yahweh right so

00:40:22.040 there are symbols that we can associate with yahweh and probably the most salient i would say that if i

00:40:27.960 had to pick two it's fire and the stone are kind of the most salient symbols that you could associate

00:40:33.340 with yahweh uh yahweh is the consuming fire um and part of this is a metaphor about sacrifices being

00:40:42.020 given to yahweh you know whether sheep or grain uh these different um sacrifices given to yahweh um

00:40:50.040 and then uh the stone is the other symbol he's an abiding stone um so on that level the monolith

00:40:59.200 we can associate with yahweh right now the fact that it's black

00:41:03.680 may also be this uh may also be uh yahweh can also be associated with black i argue as well

00:41:12.500 in um the song of solo uh the song of solomon uh for example in the first six lines

00:41:18.760 the song of solomon is a love poem uh that features yahweh in an unnamed uh fair mistress

00:41:28.200 uh and she's described as fair in uh this poem but in the first six lines people dispute who is

00:41:37.160 speaking during those lines and christians indicate that it's a um it's the female speaking but that

00:41:43.940 doesn't make sense of course that it's a female speaking and there are a couple of reasons for that

00:41:47.580 um uh the uh the person the speaker says you know um is a shame that they're black or dark

00:41:56.020 don't look at me because i'm black or dark i'm paraphrasing here um and he claims and i'm gonna say

00:42:02.440 he because i i'm confident it's the male speaking uh that he's been cast out by his brothers and to

00:42:09.800 become a um you know a person working in the vineyard uh so uh in in this way we see him as

00:42:16.700 similar to bacchus who is also this figure of vineyards in in a um uh figure associated with

00:42:24.240 the vine and with winemaking in this sort of thing um and also uh and that's also we see with judah

00:42:30.800 judah is also kind of indicated as a bacchanal figure uh during jacob's blessing where he's got a wine

00:42:37.940 stained uh vestment and he's uh he's got a donkey that's under a vine right so he's associated with

00:42:45.000 these kind of bacchanal symbols um and i argue that he's kind of he's essentially indicated as

00:42:50.960 bacchus and bacchus is also associated with the donkey and i argue the donkey represents a you know

00:42:56.600 gentile or something that uh bacchus this kind of jewish uh yahweh bacchus is astride in um dominating 1.00

00:43:05.180 effectively through degeneracy through you know the bacchanal arts or whatever as it were um so

00:43:12.880 um but not to go too far afield uh yeah so the stone but the stone itself uh we can associate with

00:43:22.620 yahweh um but also um and this is something that young points out and i i i think that uh you know

00:43:29.980 kubrick is obviously working at a very high level as a symbolist and so i think he's aware of these

00:43:35.840 things and it's in the work itself is a sophisticated symbolist work but young uh points out that um

00:43:42.900 you know i i mean in there young points out there are thinkers that think that the israelites were

00:43:50.260 worshiping saturn right um and then we have tacitus saying that um jews uh uh the saturn cult is a 0.72

00:43:58.460 proto-jewish cult effectively uh he points to the saturn cult and creed in particular um but uh

00:44:05.300 the sabians also are known to have worshiped saturn and i argued that they're also a proto-jewish 0.52

00:44:11.440 group the sabians they had a uh kingdom in uh south arabia um an important kingdom the most

00:44:19.260 important kingdom apparently in south arabia uh in the ancient world uh and they i again i argue

00:44:25.900 proto-jewish group but they also worship saturn in the form of a black rock right and so when we 0.98

00:44:33.380 think of the um the kaba that's worshiped uh uh by the muslims right in mecca they they do seven 0.81

00:44:42.220 circulations that's that's the ritual they go seven times around this um kaba and in the kaba is the

00:44:50.240 black stone contained in the kaba and it's kind of featured in there in this sort of like vaginal

00:44:57.280 appearing hole in the kaba there's this black stone inserted in there and they kiss it as they go 0.98

00:45:02.780 around but they do uh seven uh ambulations around um this kaba and seven of course is also a reference

00:45:12.040 to saturn right seven which i've said before i'm sure in this uh class seven is a reference to saturn

00:45:20.160 in the ancient astrology uh the number seven identifies the planet saturn right and the number

00:45:26.880 in seven also becomes a symbol in this film as well um especially with these sort of weird diamonds

00:45:33.480 that we see at the end in that very like trippy uh sequence at the end of the film i think that

00:45:39.620 that also becomes a reference to saturn but so i think that these references are being made uh you

00:45:47.120 know so both the color black and the stone independently we can associate with jews or yahweh

00:45:53.780 but then again we see the sabians worshiping saturn and of course yahweh can also be associated with

00:45:59.640 saturn um we see them the sabians worshiping a stone a black stone as well and uh the sabians

00:46:08.800 actually make an appearance in the hebrew bible just to finish up this one point where queen sheba

00:46:13.760 queen sheba has this famous uh very friendly court uh visit with um uh king solomon right who's

00:46:25.540 understood as the wisest of the jews queen sheba in it might be insinuated there's a kind of a

00:46:31.160 romantic relationship there but uh she tests him basically with riddles or puzzles

00:46:36.880 and he proves that he's the wisest right and i mean he literally could be describing gem on some

00:46:43.280 level in the sense that she's a kind of proto-jewish figure coming from this proto-jewish kingdom

00:46:49.900 and and basically meeting with another jew right she's part of a diaspora of these proto-jews in the

00:46:57.760 ancient world of which solomon is is also uh so that they're kin ultimately and that's kind of strongly

00:47:04.800 kind of conveyed in this parable where they understand each other on a kind of esoteric level

00:47:09.460 where he's she's a he's able to kind of solve her riddles in this sort of thing um so that's

00:47:17.160 just one of the gods that's being referenced um one of the ancient proto-jewish gods that's being

00:47:23.700 referenced uh by kubrick you know one of the currently most famous analyses on youtube is i

00:47:35.760 think a good one but i think it only gets at the surface level of all this so it's this man named

00:47:43.580 rob ager who i've um talked about before very interesting guy really does very close detailed

00:47:51.780 work i think he even uses like 4k prints of the films and like goes way in there and he's a bit

00:47:59.800 of a filmmaker himself so kind of like mark he kind of knows the craft um but his interpretation is that

00:48:08.540 the black monolith is the cinerama screen itself and so basically kubrick is saying that there's this

00:48:21.380 because you know it's very interesting how exact references to alien life are kind of removed from

00:48:29.720 the film so at no point does someone say we're going to go visit the aliens now in the novel it's made

00:48:37.800 explicit and it's described well as well as it could be done and in fact kubrick um filmed some

00:48:47.200 deleted scenes i don't know if they've ever been published in any way i don't think so and but they

00:48:54.080 have been mentioned in memoirs so he even filmed some scenes of alien life and so on and all of that

00:49:01.100 is cut you you could interpret that in a few ways like oh it wasn't visually spectacular enough or it

00:49:08.060 wasn't working and kubrick got got rid of it but you can also see like kubrick enters into the

00:49:15.060 filmmaking process and over the course of four to five years and he he developed something and he

00:49:22.040 might very well be saying something very different than what he kind of what was kind of the motive

00:49:27.040 for the film uh so again azure believes that the monolith is a movie screen in effect and there are

00:49:35.440 he he makes good arguments about this there's this constant theme of something turning vertical to

00:49:42.020 horizontal you you see that even within the stargate sequence where they're they're looking

00:49:47.580 at jupiter you're first looking at it as we imagine jupiter like we've seen in charts or things like

00:49:52.780 that and then it then you start to get to this alignment where you you've turned you're turned

00:49:57.900 around very much very similar to the opening shots of the film where you're on the plant on on the moon

00:50:04.080 and then you're looking kind of horizontally at the alignment of the sun earth and moon similar in in

00:50:11.280 jupiter and what he's saying is that he wants you to turn the monolith over to its side and see it as

00:50:16.780 a movie screen and that the move the film medium will be a way of communicating enlightenment to the

00:50:25.280 masses so there's almost a sinister element to that there could be layers i think there's layers to i i think

00:50:32.840 you know is he right i don't quite know but is he does he make a really compelling argument yes

00:50:38.880 would kubrick be the type of person to do that also yes so i think there's reason to believe that

00:50:44.840 age is right but i think that's that's kind of avoiding like the deeper things i mean the movie

00:50:50.820 screen is just the next stage in media and it's actually kind of been surpassed by another monolith

00:51:02.080 that we hold in our pockets uh this thing you know and there's all there's many monoliths in here so

00:51:13.340 how how himself is a monolith with a red you know eye um the even when haywood floyd is going to the

00:51:24.060 bathroom on his trip to the moon uh there is a black monolith rectangle that has the instructions

00:51:31.780 for a zero gravity toilet and he's reading it so it's a it's a reference to media itself and

00:51:38.740 sure maybe kubrick did see the movie screen and in particularly even the cinerama he might have kind

00:51:45.060 of overestimated its power but you know he saw that as like this is the next stage of evolution of media

00:51:50.800 how we enlighten and convey messages to the public but it's also deeper than that i mean the the tablet

00:51:58.320 the monolith is also the tablets on which the 10 commandments are inscribed um it is basically a

00:52:07.820 medium of communication and in that way directly references yahweh again i would take a stronger

00:52:18.180 reading which i think is what you're suggesting is that the monolith is yahweh himself yeah in i but

00:52:25.340 again i i it's not too like because there also could be a kind of youngian significance to his

00:52:30.520 reading as well which i don't think we should discount in other words he could be picking up on

00:52:34.400 something that may not have even been intended or maybe it wasn't intended as a kind of layer of

00:52:40.540 symbolism uh but i think that the point is though is that often gem is layered and the reason why this

00:52:49.300 is meaningful uh because often you'll be right you'll be making esoteric references to things that

00:52:54.640 are contemporary for example political things that are contemporary but then it'll have a deeper

00:52:58.800 biblical significance for just to use one example but it could be it could be layered in many ways

00:53:04.660 right and a name could for example could be a double entendre it could have two meanings

00:53:08.640 in two intended meanings right um but i think that uh this is a important aspect of gem because it

00:53:19.860 allows gem uh it allows people to kind of feel like they've decoded something when they haven't

00:53:26.460 like sort of reached the final level you know what i'm saying so they'll say okay well that's solved

00:53:31.680 that mystery is solved and i'll move on it doesn't have any greater significance than that or even

00:53:37.220 a kind of more ominous ominous meaning or significance right so i think that that's a kind of a virtue

00:53:43.420 of gem if we look at it as a kind of um human technology uh and it contributes to to sort of the

00:53:51.800 survivability of works of gem or rem is because they can't you know some people will not necessarily

00:54:00.720 have false readings but they'll have shallow readings or not even in not even necessarily that

00:54:06.140 shallow they'll have relatively deep readings but they're not reaching sort of the bottom of it

00:54:10.400 yeah you know i mean so i think that that's a kind of remarkable aspect of gem which again is is uh

00:54:18.040 is one of the reasons that we should be deploying this technology ourselves in art one remark though

00:54:24.400 i would make though is i think that the eye of how and this is my reading may have a kind of solar

00:54:30.280 significance probably this is obvious based on what we've said already but i don't read how as a kind of

00:54:35.980 jewish force that he represents more kind of gentile competitor uh you know that's a kind of that's the 0.89

00:54:44.040 most basic reading of it but um yeah so he also represents a kind of servant and he also represents

00:54:50.940 a vessel right um and both i think are important the and i you know i think that there's a and there's a

00:54:58.840 kind of um and i think this is intended to there's a numerology in here uh we we've seen it already with

00:55:06.740 the seven and when we look at the number of people on the ship it's six but hal is actually referred to

00:55:14.560 as the sixth member of the crew it's made explicit yeah uh i think the number six would suggest that

00:55:21.400 he's a gentile figure let's do this let's watch two scenes i i chose one scene with hal where i think

00:55:28.500 the ambiguity is suggested but um let's actually watch this this is a very famous scene of the apes

00:55:35.720 and let's just kind of watch the whole thing

00:55:37.460 so

00:55:50.560 This thing appears, this black rock,

00:56:17.560 and I think the music choice here is incredible.

00:56:21.560 You know, it's modernist, high modernist,

00:56:24.120 or even kind of post-modernist music,

00:56:27.540 but at least the way I hear it,

00:56:29.580 it's almost like there's this holy choir band of angels

00:56:34.340 inside the monolith, and you're hearing echoes from it.

00:56:37.960 It's just my kind of feeling towards it.

00:56:42.460 But I do think it's given a holy significance

00:56:46.380 through this music choice.

00:56:48.720 Definitely. That's one of our clues too, right?

00:56:51.640 Yes.

00:56:52.360 And I think it's very artfully done

00:56:55.780 in the sense that he's using this modern music,

00:56:58.500 which is just evoking a kind of choir of angels or something.

00:57:02.060 I think it's amazing.

00:57:04.880 But also, we are here again at this alignment

00:57:09.840 that we remember from the opening scene of 2001

00:57:15.700 of an alignment of the moon,

00:57:20.180 the crescent moon up there,

00:57:21.720 and he is Moonwatcher,

00:57:23.160 and then the sun,

00:57:25.300 which I guess is now kind of risen,

00:57:27.200 and we're almost at midday kind of peaking above the monolith.

00:57:32.000 So it's an amazing image just in itself, of course.

00:57:36.660 But what do you think this is indicating?

00:57:39.660 Well, you know, of course,

00:57:40.620 there's some degree of speculation here.

00:57:42.760 But, you know, one thing,

00:57:44.980 so another deity that I think that's being referenced,

00:57:47.800 another proto-Jewish deity that's being referenced,

00:57:49.900 is Nana or Sin,

00:57:53.700 the Akkadian name is Sin,

00:57:56.560 the Sumerian name is Nana,

00:58:00.740 a moon god.

00:58:02.160 And this is something that Evola points out.

00:58:05.240 It's something that Jews themselves point out.

00:58:06.920 But there is,

00:58:07.720 Jews have a kind of lunar identity 0.99

00:58:09.840 versus a solar, an Arian solar identity, right?

00:58:12.880 Apollo would be an example, of course,

00:58:14.600 of an Arian solar identity.

00:58:16.540 And then again,

00:58:17.980 how would that eye that I argue is solar?

00:58:21.780 And the sun is also giving a kind of eye significance

00:58:24.440 in ancient symbolism,

00:58:26.120 especially in Egypt.

00:58:28.880 And that crescent moon in particular

00:58:31.680 becomes a symbol of Nana in the ancient world.

00:58:35.640 And I think if I'm remembering correctly,

00:58:38.080 it becomes a kind of crest

00:58:39.580 that's depicted on his head as horns.

00:58:42.260 He becomes the lunar bowl, for example.

00:58:44.900 You know what I mean?

00:58:46.540 The crescent moon in particular

00:58:48.560 becomes a symbol of Nana or Sin.

00:58:51.740 And again, of course,

00:58:52.680 when the astronauts discover,

00:58:55.480 the scientists discover this monolith,

00:58:57.960 they discover it on the moon, of course, right?

00:59:00.080 So there's additional references to the moon

00:59:02.840 or this monolith

00:59:07.160 that's given a kind of lunar significance.

00:59:09.620 And in fact,

00:59:10.500 toward the end of the film,

00:59:12.080 when David Bowman is looking in to the monolith,

00:59:17.240 right before the scene of the star baby,

00:59:21.100 the camera tracks into the blackness of the monolith.

00:59:25.340 And then the first thing you see is the moon,

00:59:27.600 a full moon, right?

00:59:30.120 So the lunar significance is important here.

00:59:33.080 And it's actually,

00:59:34.360 because it's sort of,

00:59:36.900 I don't know what time of day,

00:59:38.120 it's dusk apparently here.

00:59:40.800 It's actually more striking.

00:59:43.220 But in any case,

00:59:44.020 this crescent moon becomes a symbol in the film.

00:59:46.200 And again,

00:59:48.440 that's also a proto-Jewish deity.

00:59:50.680 And Jews have a lunar significance 1.00

00:59:53.020 that we associate,

00:59:55.340 especially with Mesopotamia,

00:59:56.900 as opposed to Egypt,

00:59:58.120 which is understood as a kind of more

01:00:00.320 helocentric or solar society

01:00:04.180 with the pharaoh related to the sun

01:00:06.520 and to the god of Ra, for example.

01:00:09.560 But in Mesopotamia,

01:00:11.940 you know,

01:00:12.780 where we understand Abraham comes from,

01:00:15.560 Abraham hails from Ur,

01:00:17.760 the city of Ur.

01:00:19.060 And the city of Ur was the seat

01:00:21.240 of Nana's cult.

01:00:23.620 And in fact,

01:00:24.160 there's an etymology for Ur

01:00:25.900 that relates it to the moon cult,

01:00:29.240 right,

01:00:29.800 in Mesopotamia.

01:00:32.120 So we have this idea of Jews 0.98

01:00:35.920 as a lunar people

01:00:36.900 and Aryans as a solar people.

01:00:39.040 And that's even reflected

01:00:40.540 in the calendars.

01:00:42.300 The Gregorian calendar,

01:00:43.480 for example,

01:00:43.900 is a solar calendar.

01:00:45.540 Apparently,

01:00:45.940 the Egyptians also had a solar calendar.

01:00:48.660 But the Mesopotamians calendar

01:00:51.040 is lunar.

01:00:53.640 And that's also true of the Hebrew.

01:00:57.420 The Hebrew calendar

01:00:58.540 is both solar and lunar.

01:00:59.780 But the,

01:01:01.620 I believe this is correct,

01:01:04.160 the Muslim calendar is lunar.

01:01:07.060 But this is the reason

01:01:08.460 that they have these sort of

01:01:09.640 movable feasts or holidays

01:01:11.300 in, you know,

01:01:13.500 both Judaism and in Islam.

01:01:16.340 That's to say that

01:01:17.200 it's not always the same date,

01:01:19.720 right,

01:01:20.320 when these holidays are celebrated

01:01:22.080 because it's a different calendar.

01:01:24.080 It's a lunar calendar, right?

01:01:25.220 So we're talking about

01:01:26.300 a lunar people versus

01:01:27.380 a solar people.

01:01:28.720 And again,

01:01:29.740 Evola, too,

01:01:30.440 is credit.

01:01:31.400 Evola has many flaws,

01:01:32.620 but this is something

01:01:33.240 that he kind of points out

01:01:34.580 and maybe even emphasizes.

01:01:35.960 And it's a good thing

01:01:36.640 to point out,

01:01:37.340 you know what I mean?

01:01:37.740 So the nocturnal,

01:01:39.380 the lunar,

01:01:40.040 the thonic,

01:01:40.840 these are all symbols

01:01:42.620 that we can relate to Jews

01:01:44.260 and to proto-Jews

01:01:46.020 in the ancient world.

01:01:47.440 And so,

01:01:48.260 but what's the significance

01:01:49.160 of the sun here

01:01:50.120 sort of being bisected?

01:01:52.440 I,

01:01:52.620 and this is speculation,

01:01:53.900 but I could argue

01:01:54.800 that the,

01:01:55.360 the obelisk,

01:01:57.600 because I think the stone

01:01:58.380 also has a phallic significance

01:02:00.320 and I point that out

01:02:01.300 in my work.

01:02:02.680 So the stone,

01:02:04.080 it could be,

01:02:06.080 you could be arguing

01:02:06.920 that the stone

01:02:08.400 is,

01:02:08.920 has the phallic relationship 0.63

01:02:10.140 to the sun,

01:02:11.420 which takes on

01:02:12.080 a kind of vaginal 0.79

01:02:12.840 or womb significance

01:02:13.940 as it did in Egypt,

01:02:15.400 for example.

01:02:16.260 The sun becomes

01:02:17.080 the womb of Ra,

01:02:18.260 for example,

01:02:18.940 right?

01:02:19.860 So there's this idea

01:02:21.220 of intermixture

01:02:22.320 or ad mixing,

01:02:24.060 right?

01:02:25.060 And maybe the,

01:02:26.760 and so the stone,

01:02:28.500 Yahweh himself

01:02:29.280 becomes a kind of phallic symbol

01:02:30.580 that allows,

01:02:32.220 that allows the power

01:02:33.660 to allow

01:02:34.560 that ad mixture,

01:02:36.020 right?

01:02:36.720 So that's one

01:02:37.680 reading you can have of it.

01:02:39.580 I mean,

01:02:39.820 it's,

01:02:40.080 again,

01:02:40.280 it's a kind of,

01:02:41.000 it's a sort of Freudian

01:02:43.240 slash Brahmin reading,

01:02:45.620 I suppose.

01:02:46.420 But I think that that's,

01:02:47.880 that's a possibility.

01:02:49.180 You know,

01:02:50.620 the existence of the sun

01:02:51.560 and the sun is also

01:02:52.300 kind of like divided.

01:02:54.600 It's,

01:02:54.680 it's sort of,

01:02:55.480 it's not full.

01:02:57.420 It's,

01:02:57.540 it's bisected.

01:03:00.300 And it's almost,

01:03:01.480 not to take the metaphor

01:03:03.700 too far,

01:03:04.380 but we,

01:03:04.740 you know,

01:03:04.920 Jews themselves

01:03:05.500 are kind of

01:03:06.240 half solar people

01:03:08.200 in the sense,

01:03:08.820 you know,

01:03:09.040 their calendar

01:03:09.740 is half solar

01:03:10.500 and half lunar.

01:03:11.580 They're half solar people

01:03:12.840 in the sense

01:03:13.240 that they are

01:03:13.820 50% European 0.99

01:03:15.140 and they are

01:03:16.060 mixed among Europeans

01:03:17.780 and this is a kind of,

01:03:18.740 bridegathering strategy

01:03:20.920 or that is,

01:03:22.480 that is indicated

01:03:23.940 even in their religion

01:03:25.080 or kind of prerogative

01:03:26.660 that's derived

01:03:27.380 from their religion

01:03:28.200 or mission

01:03:28.640 that's derived

01:03:29.080 from their religion.

01:03:29.800 So that's a reading of it.

01:03:30.900 It could have a kind of

01:03:31.580 bridegathering connotation. 0.94

01:03:34.320 Yeah.

01:03:35.240 I,

01:03:35.840 I agree actually

01:03:37.120 with your speculation.

01:03:38.220 I,

01:03:38.540 I think it is interesting

01:03:40.160 that the signal

01:03:42.260 is coming from the moon

01:03:44.000 and it's,

01:03:45.100 he's moon watcher.

01:03:46.000 He's the one

01:03:46.420 who's aware of it.

01:03:47.640 The second monolith

01:03:49.080 or maybe it's the,

01:03:49.920 the first one,

01:03:50.740 in fact,

01:03:51.020 that gets buried.

01:03:51.900 I don't know,

01:03:52.920 is also on the moon.

01:03:55.140 And then there's this,

01:03:56.300 you know,

01:03:56.600 interesting thing

01:03:57.540 when the movie

01:03:59.040 in the original script

01:04:00.420 and actually in the novel,

01:04:02.400 the voyage is to Saturn

01:04:04.940 and not to Jupiter.

01:04:06.760 And they actually use

01:04:08.640 Jupiter's gravitational pull

01:04:11.200 to kind of slingshot them

01:04:12.540 to Saturn

01:04:13.060 in the novel.

01:04:15.040 supposedly

01:04:17.000 they didn't want

01:04:19.100 to make a trip

01:04:19.860 to Saturn

01:04:20.440 because

01:04:21.200 it was too difficult

01:04:23.280 to create the rings

01:04:24.640 in this like effect.

01:04:27.700 And so they settled

01:04:28.980 on Jupiter

01:04:29.540 as a,

01:04:30.800 you know,

01:04:31.380 ringless gas giant.

01:04:33.080 But

01:04:33.640 I,

01:04:34.800 I think it's almost better

01:04:36.120 that it's Jupiter

01:04:36.940 and that,

01:04:38.440 again,

01:04:38.880 that cover story.

01:04:39.400 I don't even find

01:04:39.700 that explanation credible

01:04:40.940 given how abstract

01:04:43.040 the movie gets

01:04:43.920 towards the end,

01:04:44.820 right?

01:04:45.380 Yeah.

01:04:45.760 You could have a,

01:04:47.240 it gets so trippy,

01:04:48.100 you could have a cartoon

01:04:49.060 Saturn,

01:04:49.700 it seems right.

01:04:50.460 Oh,

01:04:50.720 yeah.

01:04:51.260 I think it's also interesting

01:04:52.660 that you've aligned Jupiter.

01:04:54.540 So,

01:04:54.820 obviously,

01:04:55.600 king of the gods,

01:04:57.140 Zeus,

01:04:57.380 it's,

01:04:58.500 the word Zeus

01:04:59.800 even derives

01:05:00.540 from the original

01:05:01.740 word god,

01:05:03.140 you know,

01:05:04.440 deus,

01:05:05.020 which you see

01:05:05.620 in other

01:05:06.380 European languages.

01:05:08.100 You know,

01:05:08.500 yes.

01:05:09.480 Ultimately,

01:05:10.160 an Arian god.

01:05:12.460 You know what I mean?

01:05:13.480 And it's been,

01:05:14.140 it's been twisted

01:05:15.140 and realigned

01:05:16.340 with the monolith

01:05:17.580 and even its moons,

01:05:19.660 perhaps the most famous

01:05:20.620 one in the largest,

01:05:21.440 Europa,

01:05:22.660 is all aligned

01:05:24.380 aligned with Yahweh.

01:05:27.780 And I do agree

01:05:29.680 that what,

01:05:31.240 you know,

01:05:31.720 again,

01:05:32.320 look,

01:05:32.960 this film is so big

01:05:34.640 you could reinterpret it

01:05:36.180 in lots of different ways.

01:05:37.380 Okay.

01:05:37.620 But nevertheless,

01:05:39.880 I do think

01:05:41.100 that this is kind of

01:05:42.760 the film's ultimate message

01:05:45.200 is realigning

01:05:46.460 Jupiter,

01:05:48.440 solar deities,

01:05:49.620 Europa

01:05:50.040 with Yahweh,

01:05:52.480 realigning it.

01:05:53.780 And,

01:05:54.380 that is his mission.

01:05:57.540 And so,

01:05:58.580 it's...

01:05:59.160 Which is a broad gathering

01:06:00.380 and not only,

01:06:01.520 I mean,

01:06:01.660 because I think

01:06:02.060 that you're correct.

01:06:03.080 I think it's absolutely,

01:06:04.040 so I think it's very clear

01:06:05.100 and your reading is correct

01:06:06.180 that this is

01:06:07.000 obviously a reference

01:06:08.160 to the Odyssey

01:06:08.820 so that David Bowman

01:06:11.060 becomes Odysseus.

01:06:13.140 Yes.

01:06:13.560 So I think

01:06:14.240 that that's clear.

01:06:15.120 But he's David Odysseus.

01:06:17.240 Yeah, yeah.

01:06:17.800 You know?

01:06:18.240 But he's,

01:06:18.840 because he's,

01:06:19.560 he's pointing out

01:06:20.600 that Odysseus

01:06:21.780 is a Semitic figure

01:06:23.380 descended from Mercury.

01:06:24.380 And that's something

01:06:25.360 that's pointed out

01:06:27.560 in the Jewish century

01:06:29.300 by Yuri Sleskin.

01:06:31.440 I think he calls him

01:06:32.200 like the most Jewish 0.99

01:06:32.980 of heroes

01:06:33.600 or whatever.

01:06:36.340 So he's,

01:06:38.080 so he's kind of

01:06:38.900 claiming

01:06:39.760 on a kind of

01:06:40.440 esoteric level,

01:06:41.500 not explicitly,

01:06:42.380 of course,

01:06:42.720 but he's esoterically

01:06:43.980 claiming Odysseus again

01:06:45.280 as a kind of Jewish figure.

01:06:47.440 The Odyssey

01:06:48.440 ultimately is a kind of,

01:06:50.000 is a bridal quest

01:06:51.640 or it's a bride gathering

01:06:53.460 thing in the sense

01:06:54.520 that he's,

01:06:55.480 at the end of it,

01:06:56.360 he's competing

01:06:57.780 with suitors

01:06:59.180 for Penelope

01:07:00.160 and he has to

01:07:02.020 draw his bow

01:07:03.640 and shoot an arrow 1.00

01:07:04.460 through all these 1.00

01:07:05.260 axe heads

01:07:06.760 through the kind of

01:07:07.800 the circular handle

01:07:09.720 hole of these axe heads,

01:07:10.960 right?

01:07:11.560 And that has a kind

01:07:12.920 of vaginal,

01:07:13.620 you know,

01:07:14.380 significance as well.

01:07:15.280 I mean,

01:07:15.420 it's similar to Cupid,

01:07:16.860 you know,

01:07:17.100 it's the most obvious

01:07:17.940 when Cupid

01:07:18.440 shooting his arrows

01:07:19.980 of love

01:07:20.580 into the heart,

01:07:22.380 you know,

01:07:23.100 of people

01:07:23.580 to make them fall in love.

01:07:25.000 There's a kind of

01:07:25.640 phallic significance

01:07:26.860 to that.

01:07:28.740 So I think that,

01:07:30.080 and I think that

01:07:30.940 that's occurring as well

01:07:32.200 in this film too.

01:07:33.160 I mean,

01:07:33.340 just to finish this point

01:07:34.280 that Jupiter,

01:07:35.440 you could argue

01:07:36.020 that Jupiter,

01:07:36.860 we understand

01:07:37.780 is a kind of

01:07:38.620 Aryan resource 0.97

01:07:41.160 or Aryan sexual resource, 0.99

01:07:42.860 a kind of womb.

01:07:44.080 So David Bowman

01:07:45.680 goes in

01:07:46.480 and there's all this,

01:07:47.780 you know,

01:07:49.180 there's some,

01:07:49.760 somewhat saliently,

01:07:50.700 there's kind of

01:07:51.140 valley imagery

01:07:52.040 as he's descending

01:07:53.860 onto the surface

01:07:55.020 of Jupiter,

01:07:56.720 which is a gas giant,

01:07:57.840 right?

01:07:58.040 So presumably

01:07:58.880 he's going into,

01:08:00.120 you know,

01:08:00.380 beneath the gas layers,

01:08:02.160 but there are these

01:08:02.940 valleys

01:08:03.640 that may have

01:08:05.860 vaginal significance,

01:08:06.980 but the consequence

01:08:09.000 ultimately

01:08:09.760 of this mission

01:08:10.760 is a baby.

01:08:11.620 A baby is born of it,

01:08:12.980 right?

01:08:13.140 The star baby,

01:08:14.840 right?

01:08:15.360 So that would add to it.

01:08:16.780 And there are other,

01:08:17.760 again,

01:08:18.080 and I don't want to get

01:08:19.080 too like Freudian,

01:08:20.720 but I think it's actually

01:08:21.440 appropriate.

01:08:22.680 The ship itself

01:08:23.920 appears kind of

01:08:24.900 phallic in shape

01:08:25.920 and,

01:08:28.400 or even

01:08:29.200 kind of sperm-like.

01:08:30.640 It might even be a better,

01:08:31.940 you know what I mean?

01:08:32.400 The ship has a kind of

01:08:34.620 sperm-like

01:08:36.460 appearance

01:08:37.520 and

01:08:38.520 a planet itself

01:08:39.880 has a kind of

01:08:40.540 egg-like,

01:08:41.760 you know,

01:08:42.000 shape.

01:08:42.680 So it becomes

01:08:43.420 the ovum.

01:08:44.080 Jupiter becomes

01:08:44.760 the ovum,

01:08:45.840 you could argue,

01:08:46.740 right?

01:08:47.720 And that

01:08:48.180 his mission,

01:08:50.000 you know,

01:08:50.240 flying this phallic 0.98

01:08:51.460 rocket to

01:08:52.360 this ovum-shaped

01:08:54.260 Jupiter

01:08:55.120 to produce

01:08:56.220 the star baby,

01:08:58.180 because there's a kind

01:08:59.140 of bride-gathering

01:09:00.060 suggestion

01:09:00.600 to it,

01:09:02.320 I would argue,

01:09:03.340 you know what I mean?

01:09:04.060 And I think that,

01:09:05.480 I mean,

01:09:06.000 there were details

01:09:07.420 in there that would

01:09:08.620 even point closer

01:09:09.880 to this conclusion.

01:09:11.280 He ends up in a bedroom,

01:09:13.220 you know,

01:09:13.640 that may also be significant.

01:09:15.740 You know,

01:09:15.900 I mean,

01:09:16.240 also to kind of

01:09:17.520 drive home the point 0.98

01:09:18.420 that this black 0.57

01:09:20.200 stone represents

01:09:21.360 Yahweh,

01:09:22.400 he makes this

01:09:23.140 gesture,

01:09:24.400 he points to it

01:09:25.340 in a way that

01:09:26.000 seems very kind of

01:09:27.320 clearly a reference

01:09:28.540 to the Sistine Chapel

01:09:29.700 where he's pointing

01:09:31.640 his finger.

01:09:32.740 Did you pick up

01:09:33.340 on that?

01:09:33.760 Or is that just me?

01:09:34.720 He's pointing his finger

01:09:35.620 out of the bed

01:09:36.680 as Adam pointing

01:09:37.880 to Yahweh,

01:09:39.040 right?

01:09:39.160 So that would be

01:09:39.840 another kind of

01:09:40.860 clue that we're

01:09:41.660 talking about

01:09:42.240 Yahweh here,

01:09:43.480 the Jewish God,

01:09:44.320 you know what I mean?

01:09:45.420 And then also

01:09:46.140 the fact that he

01:09:47.100 becomes an old man 0.51

01:09:48.320 or he's depicted

01:09:49.000 as an old man

01:09:49.900 in that bedroom,

01:09:51.340 this is also

01:09:52.480 a trait of Saturn

01:09:54.320 or a kind of

01:09:54.900 attribute of Saturn

01:09:56.000 or Cronus.

01:09:56.660 Cronus' 0.97

01:09:57.580 chronology,

01:09:58.880 the way we

01:09:59.840 view Cronus

01:10:01.160 now actually

01:10:01.800 is father time.

01:10:04.080 And that makes

01:10:04.860 him distinct

01:10:05.280 from Apollo,

01:10:05.860 the youthful race,

01:10:06.880 right?

01:10:07.820 The blonde Aryan. 0.99

01:10:09.560 I mean,

01:10:09.700 we even see it

01:10:10.400 in the individual.

01:10:11.920 Like when children,

01:10:13.640 when they're born

01:10:14.280 or they're younger,

01:10:15.040 they tend to be

01:10:15.620 fairer or blonder,

01:10:17.080 right?

01:10:17.840 But this kind of

01:10:19.340 expresses itself

01:10:20.400 on a

01:10:21.000 human population level

01:10:24.000 where like

01:10:25.100 the youth

01:10:25.580 of the race

01:10:26.180 or these

01:10:26.620 kind of

01:10:26.900 blonde Aryans 0.76

01:10:27.760 I think

01:10:28.780 is what

01:10:30.240 this,

01:10:31.100 at least

01:10:31.460 from a kind

01:10:31.900 of mythical

01:10:32.320 perspective,

01:10:32.900 you can have

01:10:33.400 this understanding.

01:10:34.600 Whereas Jews 1.00

01:10:35.500 are,

01:10:36.800 they're like

01:10:37.160 Solomon,

01:10:38.040 they're wise,

01:10:39.840 they're wise

01:10:40.400 like Saturn,

01:10:41.260 but they're

01:10:41.720 more aged,

01:10:43.300 they're urbanized

01:10:44.400 and they're more,

01:10:45.840 they're both

01:10:46.440 more wise

01:10:47.060 but also

01:10:47.420 kind of

01:10:47.700 more corrupt

01:10:48.580 having adapted

01:10:49.900 to cities

01:10:50.540 and urbanized.

01:10:51.420 So they're

01:10:52.020 kind of

01:10:52.240 the old

01:10:52.740 man of

01:10:53.660 the white

01:10:53.980 race to

01:10:54.400 the extent

01:10:54.680 that we

01:10:54.960 understand

01:10:55.300 them as

01:10:56.080 part of

01:10:56.420 the white

01:10:56.700 race. 0.84

01:10:58.220 And they

01:10:59.200 have that

01:10:59.700 association,

01:11:00.540 that thonic

01:11:01.060 association

01:11:01.540 with age

01:11:02.840 and death

01:11:03.500 and the

01:11:04.040 underworld

01:11:04.520 and all

01:11:05.040 those sort

01:11:05.720 of things.

01:11:07.000 So I think

01:11:07.840 that that

01:11:08.320 is also,

01:11:09.860 you know,

01:11:10.020 maybe David

01:11:10.620 Bowman is

01:11:11.140 kind of

01:11:11.400 being revealed

01:11:12.100 as well,

01:11:13.720 that kind

01:11:14.360 of thonic

01:11:14.820 or Saturnian

01:11:15.880 aspect of

01:11:16.920 Bowman is

01:11:18.860 being revealed

01:11:19.480 as well

01:11:19.960 in that

01:11:20.360 bedroom scene

01:11:21.240 at the

01:11:21.480 end.

01:11:22.060 Of course,

01:11:22.380 in the

01:11:22.660 bedroom,

01:11:23.180 it's gold

01:11:24.000 and white.

01:11:25.120 It's all

01:11:25.360 celestial colors,

01:11:27.000 right?

01:11:27.300 So there's

01:11:27.680 a sense

01:11:28.200 of an

01:11:28.520 Aryan womb 1.00

01:11:29.220 even.

01:11:31.620 Yeah,

01:11:32.140 he's almost

01:11:32.840 kind of

01:11:33.180 trapped in

01:11:33.840 like a

01:11:34.360 cave of

01:11:36.000 Western

01:11:36.340 civilization.

01:11:37.800 Yeah,

01:11:38.320 I remember

01:11:38.840 actually,

01:11:39.380 remember when

01:11:39.860 we reviewed

01:11:40.400 Us,

01:11:41.100 Us has,

01:11:42.420 like it's

01:11:42.840 very like

01:11:43.280 in that

01:11:44.700 when under

01:11:45.280 the fun

01:11:45.680 house,

01:11:46.080 it's very

01:11:46.400 like golden

01:11:47.340 and white

01:11:47.920 and there's

01:11:48.280 all these

01:11:48.540 rabbits,

01:11:49.360 which are

01:11:49.580 symbols of

01:11:50.160 fertility

01:11:51.340 and Venus

01:11:51.960 and you

01:11:52.320 know what

01:11:52.480 I mean?

01:11:54.480 So I

01:11:55.160 think a

01:11:55.480 similar thing

01:11:56.060 is going

01:11:56.420 on in

01:11:57.200 this,

01:11:58.020 and this

01:11:58.300 would,

01:11:58.620 again,

01:11:59.080 corroborate

01:11:59.840 the idea

01:12:01.420 that Jupiter

01:12:01.940 represents a

01:12:02.760 kind of

01:12:03.020 Aryan 0.68

01:12:03.400 womb

01:12:03.760 and this 0.99

01:12:07.760 black 0.64

01:12:08.220 phallic

01:12:08.780 symbol

01:12:09.600 represents

01:12:10.740 Yahweh

01:12:11.460 as a

01:12:12.880 bridegatherer,

01:12:15.220 but it

01:12:15.460 also,

01:12:16.940 and there's,

01:12:17.400 and the

01:12:19.260 other reason

01:12:19.920 that we,

01:12:20.360 I think it

01:12:20.740 represents

01:12:21.160 Saturn too

01:12:21.800 is that,

01:12:22.340 so we

01:12:23.620 have that,

01:12:24.180 these seven

01:12:24.800 diamonds appear,

01:12:25.640 but there's

01:12:25.920 also another

01:12:26.500 sequence where,

01:12:28.020 an abstract

01:12:28.500 sequence where

01:12:29.360 there are six

01:12:30.640 planets lined

01:12:31.580 up, I don't

01:12:32.040 know if you

01:12:32.360 remember this,

01:12:33.100 and the music's

01:12:33.700 playing and

01:12:34.040 there's six

01:12:34.380 planets lined

01:12:35.000 up, and

01:12:36.280 there's a

01:12:37.040 kind of

01:12:37.260 space between

01:12:38.000 them and

01:12:38.440 the monolith

01:12:40.860 kind of flies

01:12:42.180 in between

01:12:42.800 that space

01:12:43.720 as if to

01:12:44.560 complete a

01:12:45.360 seven, you

01:12:46.640 know, in a

01:12:47.060 way of seven

01:12:47.720 planets, that

01:12:48.980 may be also

01:12:49.760 a kind of

01:12:50.440 reference to

01:12:52.120 Saturn or

01:12:52.660 it may also

01:12:53.360 be signifying

01:12:54.260 the monolith

01:12:55.520 is representing

01:12:56.320 the seventh

01:12:56.900 planet or

01:12:57.720 representing

01:12:58.380 Saturn.

01:12:59.140 Yeah, and

01:13:00.080 it's interesting

01:13:00.580 how Saturn

01:13:01.100 or the

01:13:02.300 monolith

01:13:02.640 disappears

01:13:03.440 into space

01:13:04.420 as well.

01:13:05.040 It's a

01:13:05.380 kind of

01:13:05.660 hidden

01:13:06.020 planet.

01:13:07.340 The remarkable

01:13:07.860 thing about

01:13:08.700 gem is it's

01:13:09.400 like the only

01:13:10.060 way that we

01:13:10.760 really understand

01:13:11.680 or it's the

01:13:13.000 only way that

01:13:13.460 we really

01:13:13.840 kind of learn

01:13:14.680 a Jewish

01:13:15.520 symbol

01:13:15.860 understanding

01:13:16.500 is by

01:13:16.900 decoding

01:13:17.380 gem.

01:13:18.580 You know

01:13:19.620 what I

01:13:19.720 mean?

01:13:20.300 But in a

01:13:21.540 way it also

01:13:22.040 becomes

01:13:22.360 corroborative

01:13:23.040 of our

01:13:23.800 understanding,

01:13:24.700 which is

01:13:24.960 both, you

01:13:26.760 know, one

01:13:27.200 that we

01:13:27.520 understand from

01:13:28.700 Rome and

01:13:30.420 Greece in 0.97

01:13:30.820 particular, but

01:13:31.500 also one

01:13:32.240 that we

01:13:32.820 have a

01:13:33.960 kind of

01:13:34.220 intuition

01:13:34.640 for, like

01:13:35.460 we understand

01:13:35.960 ourselves as

01:13:36.660 celestial or

01:13:37.380 solar or

01:13:38.100 diurnal against

01:13:40.160 darkness.

01:13:41.640 They understand

01:13:42.640 themselves as

01:13:43.540 the opposite

01:13:44.140 of that,

01:13:44.980 you know,

01:13:45.220 remarkably

01:13:45.580 enough, but

01:13:46.220 they kind of

01:13:46.600 admit that

01:13:47.680 phonic identity

01:13:48.440 in gem,

01:13:49.640 which is, I

01:13:50.040 mean, it's

01:13:50.300 one of the

01:13:50.680 really cool

01:13:51.300 aspects of

01:13:51.940 gem and

01:13:52.320 it also

01:13:53.500 kind of gives

01:13:54.060 you a 0.57

01:13:55.620 certain respect

01:13:56.780 for Jews

01:13:57.460 that they

01:13:58.260 have this

01:13:58.840 language.

01:14:00.580 And then,

01:14:01.780 you know,

01:14:02.160 we had it

01:14:03.220 in the

01:14:03.440 past in

01:14:04.560 Rome and

01:14:05.000 Greece to

01:14:05.480 this extent

01:14:06.380 or that,

01:14:07.520 but we

01:14:09.200 can learn a

01:14:10.160 lot from

01:14:10.560 them and

01:14:11.220 their

01:14:11.380 understanding.

01:14:12.380 And it's

01:14:12.940 also, gem

01:14:13.600 is also the

01:14:14.140 place where

01:14:14.620 Jews are

01:14:15.020 honest, which

01:14:16.140 is really

01:14:16.480 cool when

01:14:17.320 you can

01:14:17.660 like figure

01:14:19.200 out what

01:14:19.540 they're saying

01:14:20.000 through the

01:14:20.440 symbols.

01:14:20.780 You're

01:14:21.040 like, oh,

01:14:21.580 okay, they're

01:14:22.140 actually kind

01:14:22.620 of admitting

01:14:23.840 what's going

01:14:24.520 on.

01:14:26.320 And it's

01:14:27.260 cool.

01:14:29.080 It's a kind

01:14:29.580 of communication

01:14:30.240 with them.

01:14:31.300 You know what

01:14:31.500 I mean?

01:14:32.300 Yeah.

01:14:33.880 But it's

01:14:34.620 time for our

01:14:35.600 artists to

01:14:36.060 get in the

01:14:36.680 conversation,

01:14:37.300 basically, and

01:14:37.860 respond.

01:14:39.880 Let's look at

01:14:40.560 this scene, and

01:14:41.380 I think this

01:14:42.120 can kind of

01:14:42.920 launch a

01:14:43.360 discussion about

01:14:44.340 the sixth

01:14:45.380 member of

01:14:46.000 the crew,

01:14:47.080 Hal.

01:14:47.820 This is a

01:14:48.800 scene that I

01:14:49.260 think gets to

01:14:49.940 the ambiguity

01:14:50.760 of what

01:14:52.580 Hal is about.

01:14:54.080 So let's

01:14:54.640 just watch

01:14:55.100 it, and

01:14:55.320 then we

01:14:55.520 can discuss.

01:14:58.080 Good evening,

01:14:58.980 Dave.

01:14:59.480 How you doing,

01:14:59.860 Hal?

01:15:00.460 Everything's

01:15:00.880 running smoothly,

01:15:01.740 and you?

01:15:02.620 Oh, not too

01:15:03.020 bad.

01:15:03.820 Have you been

01:15:04.260 doing some

01:15:04.720 more work?

01:15:05.720 A few

01:15:06.000 sketches.

01:15:06.920 May I see

01:15:07.460 them?

01:15:08.200 Sure.

01:15:13.220 That's a very

01:15:13.920 nice rendering,

01:15:14.840 Dave.

01:15:16.440 I think you've

01:15:17.280 improved a great

01:15:18.000 deal.

01:15:18.340 Can you hold

01:15:20.880 it a bit

01:15:21.240 closer?

01:15:22.080 Sure.

01:15:25.360 That's Dr.

01:15:26.120 Hunter, isn't

01:15:26.660 it?

01:15:27.160 Mm-hmm.

01:15:30.560 By the

01:15:31.120 way, do you

01:15:33.360 mind if I ask

01:15:34.120 you a personal

01:15:34.760 question?

01:15:36.660 No, not at

01:15:37.200 all.

01:15:38.460 Well, forgive

01:15:39.560 me for being so

01:15:40.400 inquisitive, but

01:15:43.240 during the past few

01:15:44.200 weeks, I've

01:15:45.040 wondered whether

01:15:45.580 you might be

01:15:46.140 having some

01:15:46.680 second thoughts

01:15:47.460 about the

01:15:47.920 mission.

01:15:49.420 How do you

01:15:49.800 mean?

01:15:51.040 Well, it's

01:15:52.940 rather difficult

01:15:53.640 to define.

01:15:56.120 Perhaps I'm

01:15:56.980 just projecting

01:15:57.760 my own concern

01:15:58.700 about it.

01:16:00.760 I know I've

01:16:01.960 never completely

01:16:02.700 freed myself of

01:16:03.780 the suspicion that

01:16:05.740 there are some

01:16:06.420 extremely odd

01:16:07.520 things about this

01:16:08.460 mission.

01:16:10.440 I'm sure you'll

01:16:11.400 agree there's some

01:16:12.240 truth in what I

01:16:13.040 say.

01:16:16.700 Well, I don't

01:16:17.300 know.

01:16:17.420 That's a rather

01:16:17.720 difficult question

01:16:18.380 to answer.

01:16:19.520 You don't mind

01:16:20.300 talking about it,

01:16:21.320 do you, Dave?

01:16:22.820 No, not at all.

01:16:24.340 Well, certainly

01:16:26.400 no one could have

01:16:27.180 been unaware of

01:16:28.140 the very strange

01:16:29.140 stories floating

01:16:30.060 around before we

01:16:30.840 left.

01:16:32.880 Rumors about

01:16:33.680 something being

01:16:34.460 dug up on the

01:16:35.300 moon.

01:16:37.380 I never gave

01:16:38.320 these stories much

01:16:39.220 credence, but

01:16:41.360 particularly in view

01:16:42.500 of some of the

01:16:43.180 other things that

01:16:43.900 have happened, I

01:16:45.700 find them difficult

01:16:46.500 to put out of my

01:16:47.280 mind.

01:16:48.860 For instance, the

01:16:50.800 way all our

01:16:51.440 preparations were

01:16:52.360 kept under such

01:16:53.140 tight security, and

01:16:55.820 the melodramatic

01:16:56.500 touch of putting

01:16:57.440 Drs. Hunter,

01:16:58.680 Kimball, and

01:16:59.300 Kaminsky aboard,

01:17:01.280 already in

01:17:02.020 hibernation after

01:17:03.100 four months of

01:17:04.040 separate training on

01:17:05.020 their own.

01:17:06.760 You're working up

01:17:07.640 your psychology

01:17:08.140 report.

01:17:10.980 Of course I

01:17:11.700 am.

01:17:12.900 Sorry about

01:17:13.740 this.

01:17:14.880 I know it's a 0.55

01:17:15.520 bit silly.

01:17:18.980 Okay. 0.94

01:17:21.780 Right after that

01:17:23.220 scene, that's when

01:17:24.800 he says that

01:17:25.440 there's a failure

01:17:26.100 on the radar

01:17:28.780 or something like

01:17:29.520 that, and that

01:17:30.860 kind of launches

01:17:31.640 the action that

01:17:32.800 will end in

01:17:33.560 Frank Poole being

01:17:34.280 murdered and

01:17:34.880 Hal's attempt to

01:17:35.900 murder Dave.

01:17:37.640 very subtle

01:17:41.000 dialogue, and

01:17:41.880 there's more

01:17:42.640 going on than

01:17:44.240 just the surface

01:17:44.920 line.

01:17:46.360 Dave asked

01:17:47.420 them, you 0.56

01:17:47.740 know, are you

01:17:48.360 doing your

01:17:48.820 crew psychology

01:17:50.200 report?

01:17:50.940 So he's kind of

01:17:51.600 asking them, you

01:17:52.380 know, are you

01:17:52.860 analyzing me?

01:17:54.480 Basically, are you

01:17:55.480 trying to say

01:17:56.600 something to

01:17:57.500 generate a

01:17:59.420 response to

01:18:00.440 learn something

01:18:01.120 about me?

01:18:01.700 And I think

01:18:02.500 Hal might very

01:18:03.940 well be doing

01:18:04.900 that.

01:18:05.700 And Dave is

01:18:06.240 kind of on to

01:18:06.880 him.

01:18:08.280 But I

01:18:09.540 guess the

01:18:10.060 question that

01:18:11.240 I am

01:18:12.000 interested in

01:18:12.840 is, what

01:18:14.340 is Hal's

01:18:15.180 concern?

01:18:16.320 And so in

01:18:17.400 the book, and

01:18:19.180 I think in the

01:18:20.140 original screenplay,

01:18:21.560 it's said that

01:18:22.500 Hal is made

01:18:25.100 aware of the

01:18:26.440 mission, which

01:18:27.120 is to travel to

01:18:28.140 this monolith on

01:18:29.220 Jupiter.

01:18:30.340 And that

01:18:31.460 mission directive

01:18:32.300 is revealed the

01:18:34.860 moment that

01:18:35.820 Bowman turns

01:18:37.100 Hal off or

01:18:38.300 takes out his

01:18:39.940 cerebral

01:18:40.580 functioning.

01:18:41.540 And Hal is

01:18:42.700 just now just

01:18:43.480 an automatic

01:18:44.760 machine that

01:18:45.560 regulates air

01:18:46.260 conditioning or

01:18:46.840 something.

01:18:48.180 And you learn

01:18:49.520 from Haywood

01:18:49.980 Florida, and he

01:18:50.620 does say the

01:18:51.360 final line of

01:18:52.480 the film is,

01:18:53.260 this is

01:18:53.500 mysterious.

01:18:55.240 But, you

01:18:57.180 know, Hal

01:18:57.900 knows this.

01:18:59.300 And again, in

01:19:00.320 the book, there's

01:19:01.380 this Hal

01:19:02.000 kind of

01:19:02.360 malfunctions

01:19:03.060 because he's

01:19:04.100 given two

01:19:04.780 contradictory

01:19:05.400 directives.

01:19:06.120 He's supposed

01:19:06.560 to be entirely

01:19:07.440 truthful, but

01:19:08.280 then he also

01:19:09.480 needs to

01:19:10.760 protect the

01:19:11.660 mission parameters

01:19:12.560 from Frank

01:19:13.880 and Dave.

01:19:14.920 And presumably

01:19:15.420 the other crew

01:19:16.160 members know

01:19:16.760 what's going

01:19:17.220 on.

01:19:18.180 I think that

01:19:19.420 is a cover

01:19:20.240 story.

01:19:21.580 I think there's

01:19:23.120 a way to

01:19:24.220 kind of read

01:19:25.780 Hal very

01:19:26.820 differently.

01:19:27.260 so obviously

01:19:30.940 Clark and

01:19:32.720 Kubrick

01:19:33.280 overestimated

01:19:34.980 the development

01:19:36.540 of artificial

01:19:37.300 intelligence by

01:19:38.560 many, many

01:19:39.680 decades, but

01:19:41.160 kind of

01:19:41.420 understandably

01:19:42.260 so.

01:19:43.100 And they

01:19:44.060 imagined

01:19:44.940 creating a

01:19:45.700 human-like

01:19:46.380 intelligence

01:19:47.020 through silicon

01:19:48.720 that would

01:19:50.100 begin to

01:19:51.460 think for

01:19:52.080 itself.

01:19:54.280 And so I

01:19:55.560 think they're

01:19:56.160 kind of like

01:19:56.940 two readings

01:19:59.060 and Kubrick

01:20:01.160 might be

01:20:02.000 suggesting both

01:20:03.380 on some

01:20:04.600 level there.

01:20:05.320 Let me give

01:20:06.160 you first

01:20:06.840 the, I

01:20:09.120 guess,

01:20:09.500 ostensible

01:20:10.060 reading, but

01:20:10.860 a reading that

01:20:11.800 is somewhat

01:20:12.380 inspiring and

01:20:13.740 is probably

01:20:14.440 the reading

01:20:16.360 that is

01:20:17.320 preferred from

01:20:19.120 the hippies

01:20:20.680 who actually

01:20:21.140 like this

01:20:21.680 movie.

01:20:23.240 There's

01:20:23.940 obviously a

01:20:24.460 lot to

01:20:24.800 attract hippie

01:20:25.920 types with

01:20:26.580 the psychedelic

01:20:27.540 last 15

01:20:28.640 minutes and

01:20:29.140 so on.

01:20:30.400 So Hal

01:20:31.240 is anti-human

01:20:33.840 at the end

01:20:34.360 of the day.

01:20:34.720 He might

01:20:35.020 resemble

01:20:35.640 humanity, but

01:20:36.700 he's too

01:20:37.360 scientific,

01:20:38.680 too regimented.

01:20:40.540 He can never

01:20:41.260 really have the

01:20:42.280 human touch.

01:20:44.600 And you

01:20:45.900 have to

01:20:46.420 kind of

01:20:46.960 unplug

01:20:47.700 Hal, so to

01:20:48.860 speak, to

01:20:49.480 break free and

01:20:50.720 reach transcendence.

01:20:52.660 I like that

01:20:53.800 reading.

01:20:54.480 I think it's

01:20:55.220 true.

01:20:55.480 Sometimes you

01:20:55.940 need to put

01:20:56.440 the phone

01:20:56.940 down and

01:20:57.580 go touch

01:20:58.020 grass.

01:20:58.500 I mean, I

01:20:58.900 like that

01:20:59.880 reading, but

01:21:00.520 I don't

01:21:01.080 actually think

01:21:02.020 that is what

01:21:02.920 is being

01:21:03.400 conveyed.

01:21:05.560 I do.

01:21:06.660 I agree.

01:21:07.480 I think Hal

01:21:08.000 is IBM,

01:21:10.040 but even

01:21:10.980 that's just

01:21:11.540 kind of the

01:21:12.100 top layer.

01:21:13.480 I do agree

01:21:14.300 with what

01:21:14.880 Mark suggested

01:21:15.580 about an

01:21:16.000 hour ago.

01:21:16.400 I think

01:21:16.860 Hal is

01:21:17.780 an Aryan 0.96

01:21:19.380 figure, and

01:21:20.800 he's

01:21:21.640 suggested by

01:21:22.900 the red

01:21:23.880 eye, but

01:21:25.420 also

01:21:26.340 suggested by

01:21:28.580 his

01:21:29.480 confidence and

01:21:31.040 even ruthlessness

01:21:31.960 and willingness

01:21:33.540 for self

01:21:34.060 preservation, but

01:21:35.980 also through

01:21:37.520 the fact that

01:21:38.480 he seems to

01:21:39.560 have a concern

01:21:40.300 about this

01:21:40.860 mission.

01:21:41.740 If we assume

01:21:42.820 that he is an

01:21:43.600 artificial intelligence,

01:21:44.820 he seems to

01:21:45.300 have a concern.

01:21:45.880 And as many

01:21:47.140 people have

01:21:47.660 pointed out,

01:21:49.080 there's this

01:21:49.940 lifeless quality

01:21:51.440 of Frank and

01:21:53.200 Dave.

01:21:54.000 Frank doesn't

01:21:54.920 even seem to

01:21:55.640 get very

01:21:56.340 emotional regarding

01:21:57.720 his birthday,

01:22:00.560 I think, and

01:22:01.040 his parents

01:22:01.820 greet him.

01:22:02.620 He's just

01:22:03.060 lifeless, and

01:22:04.080 it's almost like

01:22:04.620 Hal has the

01:22:05.400 most personality.

01:22:06.960 Even though you

01:22:07.700 might have to

01:22:08.340 kind of read

01:22:08.840 between the

01:22:09.320 lines to see

01:22:10.100 it, he's

01:22:11.880 almost more

01:22:12.740 human than

01:22:13.680 the people on

01:22:14.420 board.

01:22:15.880 But I

01:22:17.440 think he, the

01:22:18.640 way that I

01:22:19.180 would, this

01:22:19.960 is my

01:22:20.580 understanding of

01:22:21.500 it, is that

01:22:22.000 Hal has a

01:22:23.180 concern about

01:22:24.260 going to this

01:22:24.920 monolith, because

01:22:26.380 it is a

01:22:27.480 super intelligence

01:22:29.240 that is in

01:22:30.440 competition with

01:22:31.660 his own.

01:22:32.660 He might

01:22:33.240 represent that

01:22:34.840 atheistic,

01:22:37.280 scientific

01:22:37.760 future that

01:22:40.320 seems to

01:22:41.800 just be,

01:22:42.460 always, always

01:22:43.120 just be out

01:22:43.880 of grasp, but

01:22:44.840 that we're

01:22:45.680 kind of

01:22:46.080 perhaps moving

01:22:47.400 towards in

01:22:48.040 some way.

01:22:49.860 A future

01:22:51.100 where

01:22:51.580 intelligence

01:22:52.860 will reign,

01:22:54.680 and we can

01:22:55.940 scientifically

01:22:57.360 build a new

01:22:58.960 world.

01:23:00.600 And of course,

01:23:01.620 there's some

01:23:02.040 drawbacks to

01:23:03.000 that.

01:23:03.340 You know,

01:23:03.540 Cooper's

01:23:04.160 concerned with

01:23:05.060 nuclear

01:23:05.900 holocaust and

01:23:06.980 all that kind

01:23:07.400 of stuff.

01:23:07.720 but the

01:23:10.160 monolith is

01:23:10.880 something

01:23:11.280 different, and

01:23:12.820 I, you

01:23:13.900 know, if we

01:23:14.280 take the

01:23:15.680 reading that

01:23:16.320 we've already

01:23:16.720 just suggested,

01:23:17.860 Hal and the

01:23:18.440 monolith are

01:23:19.000 really in

01:23:19.560 competition.

01:23:20.700 And visually

01:23:21.420 as well, the

01:23:22.360 Hal is a

01:23:23.000 monolith, so

01:23:23.780 it's a medium

01:23:24.900 of communication,

01:23:25.680 but it's also

01:23:26.520 one with the

01:23:27.040 sun in the

01:23:27.640 center.

01:23:29.360 And so I

01:23:30.420 do think that

01:23:31.200 these things

01:23:31.600 are in

01:23:32.260 conflict.

01:23:33.680 And what

01:23:34.960 exactly Hal

01:23:35.760 wants or

01:23:36.440 thinks is a

01:23:37.700 mystery, and

01:23:39.260 he does seem

01:23:39.920 to be worried

01:23:40.640 about the

01:23:41.100 mission, but

01:23:41.960 he seems to

01:23:42.620 think that he

01:23:43.140 might need

01:23:43.760 to, that

01:23:44.900 these people

01:23:45.900 who are about

01:23:46.860 to meet this

01:23:47.540 monolith are

01:23:48.320 about to

01:23:48.740 unplug him

01:23:49.600 and destroy 1.00

01:23:50.580 him. 0.99

01:23:51.720 You know, I

01:23:52.340 might even

01:23:52.700 suggest that

01:23:53.340 Hal might want

01:23:53.920 to destroy

01:23:54.340 the monolith.

01:23:57.000 But at the

01:23:57.740 very least,

01:23:58.440 he's a

01:23:59.000 competing

01:23:59.920 figure with

01:24:02.100 the monolith.

01:24:02.720 It's a

01:24:03.040 different type

01:24:04.160 of intelligence.

01:24:05.780 So, and

01:24:07.040 the monolith

01:24:07.920 is something

01:24:08.860 that's going

01:24:09.500 to kind

01:24:09.980 of teach

01:24:11.180 Dave something

01:24:12.340 new and

01:24:14.040 realign Europe

01:24:15.480 with Yahweh

01:24:16.440 and so on.

01:24:17.600 Hal is not

01:24:18.460 going to do

01:24:19.120 that.

01:24:20.160 And so I

01:24:20.980 ultimately think

01:24:22.240 what Kubrick is

01:24:24.320 suggesting by

01:24:25.040 turning off

01:24:26.200 Hal is something

01:24:27.200 very different

01:24:28.460 than how this

01:24:29.160 is taken,

01:24:30.480 mostly, in this

01:24:31.680 kind of hippy-dippy

01:24:32.460 way.

01:24:32.820 because you're

01:24:33.620 turning off

01:24:34.580 Hal, you're

01:24:35.740 getting back

01:24:36.600 in touch

01:24:37.260 with the

01:24:38.360 monolith.

01:24:39.580 And that's

01:24:40.660 the real

01:24:41.340 implication of

01:24:42.460 this.

01:24:44.260 I do think

01:24:44.860 Hal is an

01:24:46.060 Aryan.

01:24:47.780 It's the

01:24:48.640 name Hal

01:24:49.920 is an

01:24:50.260 acronym, of

01:24:50.820 course, but

01:24:52.060 it could be

01:24:53.000 Hal could be

01:24:53.760 short for

01:24:54.320 Herald,

01:24:55.820 which I think

01:24:57.500 is like war

01:24:58.540 ruler.

01:24:59.100 As far as

01:25:01.340 naming

01:25:01.740 convention

01:25:02.360 goes in

01:25:02.740 gem, this

01:25:03.220 would typically

01:25:04.300 identify like

01:25:05.120 an Aryan,

01:25:06.000 for example.

01:25:07.400 Also, in

01:25:08.760 Shakespeare,

01:25:09.400 Hal is a

01:25:10.020 nickname for

01:25:10.480 Henry.

01:25:12.000 So again,

01:25:12.440 it might even

01:25:13.340 evoke a kind

01:25:14.160 of warlord,

01:25:15.980 a Martian

01:25:16.800 type figure

01:25:17.840 who is,

01:25:18.800 again, in

01:25:19.280 competition with

01:25:20.220 the monolith.

01:25:22.220 Yeah, a

01:25:22.940 warrior class,

01:25:24.000 a noble class,

01:25:25.080 a king class.

01:25:25.900 These generally

01:25:28.620 appear to be

01:25:29.320 associated with

01:25:30.840 Aryans,

01:25:31.700 unless they're

01:25:32.960 modified in

01:25:33.900 some special

01:25:35.020 case, such as

01:25:35.840 King David or

01:25:37.080 King Solomon,

01:25:37.800 of course,

01:25:38.180 right?

01:25:39.240 What's interesting

01:25:40.080 to me is,

01:25:40.820 well, what's

01:25:41.300 the mission?

01:25:42.360 Now, if we

01:25:43.860 take Yahweh 0.84

01:25:44.520 to mean,

01:25:46.520 or rather,

01:25:47.120 we take the

01:25:47.800 monolith to

01:25:50.120 mean Yahweh,

01:25:50.900 which I think

01:25:51.340 is evident,

01:25:52.160 then the

01:25:54.520 mission,

01:25:55.220 then the

01:25:56.000 mission,

01:25:57.000 presumably,

01:25:57.580 it's a kind

01:25:57.880 of Christian

01:25:58.340 mission,

01:25:59.040 right?

01:25:59.240 In other

01:25:59.480 words,

01:26:00.020 I don't

01:26:02.440 think that

01:26:02.940 Hal may

01:26:04.400 know that

01:26:05.800 they're going

01:26:06.200 to investigate

01:26:06.860 this weird

01:26:07.940 alien life

01:26:08.640 form,

01:26:09.060 but he

01:26:09.580 doesn't know

01:26:10.220 what that

01:26:10.980 weird alien

01:26:12.060 life form

01:26:12.820 represents,

01:26:13.880 right?

01:26:14.360 So there's

01:26:15.520 still elements

01:26:16.180 of mystery

01:26:16.760 that are

01:26:17.440 kept from

01:26:18.020 Hal.

01:26:18.980 So there

01:26:20.340 may be a

01:26:20.880 kind of

01:26:21.100 element of

01:26:21.560 honesty to

01:26:22.160 Hal there

01:26:23.220 is well,

01:26:24.120 in the sense

01:26:24.880 that he may

01:26:25.300 know part

01:26:25.860 of the

01:26:26.140 story,

01:26:26.820 that which

01:26:27.540 is revealed

01:26:27.960 at the end

01:26:28.380 of the film,

01:26:28.820 but he may

01:26:29.180 not know

01:26:29.480 the whole

01:26:29.940 story,

01:26:30.780 right?

01:26:30.920 What does

01:26:31.280 the monolith

01:26:32.720 represent?

01:26:35.200 He doesn't

01:26:35.900 know that

01:26:36.200 it's Yahweh,

01:26:36.820 for example.

01:26:37.380 He knows

01:26:37.760 that there's

01:26:38.100 an alien,

01:26:38.860 an intelligent

01:26:39.380 alien life

01:26:40.140 form,

01:26:41.060 you know,

01:26:42.220 which is a

01:26:43.580 higher intelligence,

01:26:44.620 which is God,

01:26:45.720 right?

01:26:46.000 And that's a

01:26:46.500 kind of

01:26:46.820 Christian

01:26:47.140 understanding.

01:26:48.900 When a

01:26:49.600 Christian is

01:26:50.060 engaged in

01:26:51.340 the mystery

01:26:51.820 religion that

01:26:52.960 is Christianity,

01:26:54.340 he understands

01:26:55.100 it as,

01:26:56.180 well,

01:26:56.320 the mission

01:26:56.700 is to

01:26:57.220 serve God,

01:26:58.280 to ultimately

01:26:59.640 reach God

01:27:00.360 in the

01:27:00.560 afterworld,

01:27:01.220 but he

01:27:01.600 doesn't know

01:27:02.060 the nature

01:27:02.780 really,

01:27:03.200 or the

01:27:03.420 full nature

01:27:03.980 of God,

01:27:05.380 right?

01:27:05.960 Ultimately,

01:27:06.580 it's only

01:27:06.980 something that

01:27:07.620 you could

01:27:08.700 argue that

01:27:09.120 David can

01:27:10.460 understand at

01:27:11.420 the end,

01:27:12.080 right?

01:27:13.520 That the Jew 1.00

01:27:14.320 can understand

01:27:14.860 at the end,

01:27:15.320 he can be

01:27:15.680 part of the

01:27:16.280 secret as it

01:27:16.880 were.

01:27:17.980 He can

01:27:18.420 be in

01:27:18.780 that bedroom,

01:27:19.680 right?

01:27:20.200 Where the

01:27:20.880 secrets occur.

01:27:22.780 So,

01:27:23.260 that's my

01:27:24.380 reading of

01:27:24.820 it,

01:27:25.020 is that

01:27:25.400 probably

01:27:25.960 what the

01:27:27.100 metaphor

01:27:27.400 there is,

01:27:28.620 it's the

01:27:29.080 Gentile trying

01:27:30.660 to, like,

01:27:31.140 fulfill the

01:27:31.740 Christian mission,

01:27:33.200 not realizing

01:27:34.200 that it's

01:27:34.640 ultimately,

01:27:35.180 it's a

01:27:35.360 Jewish mission

01:27:36.040 that he's

01:27:36.720 fulfilling.

01:27:37.420 That's what I

01:27:37.900 would argue.

01:27:39.660 Much like

01:27:39.920 with many

01:27:41.380 movies,

01:27:42.400 sometimes the

01:27:43.080 villains are

01:27:43.740 the real

01:27:44.180 heroes.

01:27:44.660 One other

01:27:47.120 thing I

01:27:47.460 wanted to

01:27:47.960 point out,

01:27:49.340 and this is

01:27:49.680 when we

01:27:50.040 discussed this

01:27:50.580 last time

01:27:51.040 I pointed

01:27:51.320 this out

01:27:52.040 as well,

01:27:53.300 also

01:27:53.820 Sprach

01:27:54.440 Zarathustra

01:27:55.560 is a

01:27:56.860 reference,

01:27:57.620 of course,

01:27:58.140 to

01:27:58.540 Zoroaster,

01:28:01.900 right?

01:28:02.600 Yeah,

01:28:02.820 Zoroaster,

01:28:03.560 yeah.

01:28:04.200 Zoroaster,

01:28:04.780 Zoroaster,

01:28:05.200 sorry.

01:28:05.960 But this

01:28:06.380 is important

01:28:07.200 as well,

01:28:07.640 because this

01:28:08.120 is, of

01:28:08.580 course,

01:28:09.120 a reference,

01:28:09.780 this is,

01:28:10.740 on one

01:28:11.080 layer,

01:28:11.380 it's a

01:28:11.540 reference to

01:28:12.000 Nietzsche,

01:28:12.420 of course,

01:28:12.780 and I

01:28:13.180 make the

01:28:13.500 argument that,

01:28:14.100 or I

01:28:14.740 made the

01:28:15.020 argument at

01:28:15.420 the beginning

01:28:15.720 of this

01:28:15.980 call,

01:28:16.340 that basically

01:28:17.780 he's doing

01:28:18.260 something similar

01:28:19.180 to what

01:28:19.600 Siegel is

01:28:21.180 doing,

01:28:21.480 he's retaking

01:28:22.460 symbols,

01:28:23.580 and I

01:28:25.120 think that

01:28:25.400 this is one

01:28:25.920 symbol that

01:28:26.560 they own,

01:28:29.300 and it is

01:28:30.120 an argument

01:28:30.560 that Jews 0.87

01:28:31.080 make,

01:28:31.740 so there

01:28:32.200 is writing

01:28:33.640 where they

01:28:35.240 claim that

01:28:36.020 Zoroaster

01:28:37.840 was a Jew

01:28:39.340 effectively,

01:28:40.240 right?

01:28:40.560 Yeah.

01:28:41.360 So that's

01:28:42.380 an argument

01:28:42.760 that Jews 0.87

01:28:43.160 make,

01:28:43.460 so from

01:28:43.900 a kind

01:28:44.180 of

01:28:44.280 rabbinical

01:28:44.780 perspective,

01:28:45.560 and it

01:28:45.880 makes sense,

01:28:46.520 of course,

01:28:47.280 in other

01:28:47.980 words,

01:28:48.300 and,

01:28:48.660 you know,

01:28:50.180 Evola would

01:28:51.840 disagree with

01:28:52.480 this,

01:28:54.520 Rosenberg,

01:28:55.720 Alfred Rosenberg

01:28:56.860 would disagree

01:28:57.400 with this,

01:28:58.940 but,

01:28:59.600 and they

01:29:00.020 would see

01:29:00.780 Jews as

01:29:01.500 basically 0.99

01:29:02.040 stealing from

01:29:03.460 that cult,

01:29:04.500 or inverting

01:29:05.440 that cult

01:29:05.900 in some

01:29:06.300 way.

01:29:06.840 I think

01:29:07.160 that's the

01:29:07.920 incorrect

01:29:08.240 reading,

01:29:09.100 and probably

01:29:09.920 the sort of

01:29:10.700 thinker in

01:29:11.340 our sphere

01:29:11.880 that came

01:29:12.220 closest to

01:29:12.820 understanding

01:29:13.240 this was

01:29:13.860 Ravolo Oliver,

01:29:16.600 who did

01:29:17.000 not think

01:29:18.280 that Zoroaster 0.99

01:29:20.240 was a

01:29:21.560 Aryan figure,

01:29:23.860 right?

01:29:23.900 But he

01:29:24.520 thought he

01:29:26.040 was a

01:29:26.680 non-Aryan 0.99

01:29:27.800 figure,

01:29:28.320 but he

01:29:28.700 didn't go

01:29:29.060 so far to

01:29:29.720 kind of give

01:29:30.160 Jews credit,

01:29:30.960 because I think

01:29:31.320 he was too

01:29:32.380 much of a

01:29:32.740 kind of grouchy 0.91

01:29:33.380 anti-Semite to 0.81

01:29:34.820 kind of see

01:29:36.060 the whole

01:29:36.580 picture,

01:29:37.180 you know what I

01:29:37.960 mean?

01:29:39.260 And he

01:29:39.960 would prefer

01:29:40.540 that they 0.99

01:29:40.980 cannibalized

01:29:43.220 this other

01:29:43.620 cult,

01:29:44.000 or they

01:29:44.400 took from

01:29:46.620 it,

01:29:46.860 copied from

01:29:47.420 it,

01:29:47.640 plagiarized

01:29:48.280 it,

01:29:48.580 because that

01:29:49.140 fit a

01:29:49.740 kind of

01:29:50.080 sinister

01:29:50.400 picture that

01:29:51.060 he had

01:29:51.580 of Jews.

01:29:52.340 Oliver is

01:29:53.480 very insightful

01:29:54.120 and he's

01:29:54.460 correct in a

01:29:55.020 lot of

01:29:55.260 ways,

01:29:55.660 and he's

01:29:56.420 generally

01:29:56.760 correct here

01:29:57.580 as well,

01:29:58.160 but I don't

01:29:58.920 think he

01:29:59.240 realized he's

01:30:00.040 not given

01:30:00.480 credit where

01:30:00.920 credit's due.

01:30:01.520 I think

01:30:01.720 that a

01:30:02.700 Kubrick

01:30:03.060 reading or

01:30:03.680 a Jewish

01:30:04.280 reading of

01:30:05.260 that figure

01:30:05.720 is more

01:30:06.260 correct.

01:30:07.320 Therefore,

01:30:07.560 the music,

01:30:08.580 especially the

01:30:09.140 music playing

01:30:09.940 when we

01:30:10.320 see this

01:30:11.060 monolith,

01:30:12.720 is basically

01:30:13.360 saying,

01:30:14.080 yeah,

01:30:14.300 this is sort

01:30:15.520 of the

01:30:15.760 beginning of

01:30:17.120 this Yahweh

01:30:18.040 tradition,

01:30:19.200 dating back

01:30:19.900 to Persia.

01:30:20.540 This is

01:30:21.760 this proto-Jewish

01:30:22.720 cult that

01:30:23.180 we're referencing

01:30:23.840 and the way

01:30:24.680 that we're

01:30:24.980 referencing

01:30:25.440 Nana and

01:30:26.580 we're referencing

01:30:27.100 Saturn.

01:30:27.760 These are all

01:30:28.400 the same

01:30:29.140 figure,

01:30:30.000 right?

01:30:30.240 These are

01:30:30.560 all proto-Jewish 0.97

01:30:33.400 figures,

01:30:34.180 and these are

01:30:34.940 all symbols

01:30:35.780 ultimately of

01:30:36.560 Yahweh,

01:30:37.000 and of

01:30:37.620 God,

01:30:38.040 or God

01:30:38.560 as the

01:30:39.240 Jew,

01:30:39.860 or God

01:30:40.220 as the

01:30:40.560 proto-Jew,

01:30:41.640 or God

01:30:42.540 as this

01:30:43.700 thonic,

01:30:45.060 Semitic 0.92

01:30:45.440 bride-gathering

01:30:46.260 element,

01:30:46.860 right?

01:30:48.300 So I think

01:30:49.580 that that's

01:30:49.980 what's going

01:30:50.300 on.

01:30:50.520 I just

01:30:50.720 wanted to

01:30:51.240 be careful

01:30:52.000 to point

01:30:52.440 out that I

01:30:52.900 think that

01:30:53.200 that music

01:30:53.840 is making

01:30:54.400 a reference

01:30:54.840 to yet

01:30:55.340 another

01:30:55.640 proto-Jewish

01:30:56.280 figure.

01:30:56.300 Well,

01:30:56.440 I think

01:30:56.880 also

01:30:57.320 Nietzsche

01:30:58.100 was trying

01:31:00.020 to kind

01:31:00.720 of,

01:31:01.940 much like

01:31:02.640 with his

01:31:03.120 book,

01:31:03.440 The Antichrist,

01:31:04.820 I mean,

01:31:05.020 he was trying

01:31:05.600 to take

01:31:07.560 something,

01:31:08.080 he was trying

01:31:08.440 to take

01:31:08.820 the ultimate

01:31:09.760 godfather of

01:31:11.800 monotheism

01:31:12.600 and just flip

01:31:13.620 it.

01:31:13.880 It's almost

01:31:14.320 as if Jesus

01:31:15.120 was like,

01:31:16.040 oh my gosh, 0.86

01:31:16.660 I've screwed

01:31:17.520 up here.

01:31:18.160 Let me come

01:31:18.620 down and give 0.57

01:31:19.280 you a new

01:31:20.000 doctrine.

01:31:20.840 You know,

01:31:22.340 that's exactly

01:31:23.140 correct.

01:31:23.780 And so Nietzsche

01:31:24.300 was kind

01:31:24.680 of appropriating

01:31:26.040 the origin

01:31:27.880 of Judaism

01:31:28.940 and Christianity

01:31:29.700 and reversing

01:31:30.760 it.

01:31:31.700 And I

01:31:32.160 think 2001

01:31:33.520 is actually

01:31:34.460 the opposite

01:31:35.100 of that.

01:31:35.720 2001 is

01:31:36.800 an attempt

01:31:37.340 to take

01:31:38.840 Nietzsche

01:31:39.400 and make

01:31:40.700 him Jesus

01:31:41.580 or Jewish.

01:31:43.200 And this

01:31:43.380 is the kind

01:31:43.800 of thing

01:31:44.040 that you'll

01:31:44.500 point out

01:31:45.380 and people

01:31:45.840 in the DR

01:31:46.540 will be like,

01:31:47.140 oh,

01:31:47.320 that's demoralizing.

01:31:48.540 That's,

01:31:48.800 you know what I

01:31:49.020 mean?

01:31:49.420 You know what I

01:31:50.000 mean?

01:31:50.440 It's not

01:31:51.040 demoralizing.

01:31:51.780 It helps

01:31:52.580 us understand

01:31:53.400 the nature

01:31:53.920 of these

01:31:54.300 cults,

01:31:55.140 right?

01:31:55.480 Right.

01:31:55.920 In a way,

01:31:56.740 in a way,

01:31:58.060 we should be

01:31:58.540 kind of proud

01:31:59.060 of the fact

01:31:59.540 that he's

01:31:59.840 not our

01:32:00.220 God,

01:32:00.720 because what

01:32:01.640 he represents,

01:32:02.480 he represents,

01:32:04.180 you know,

01:32:04.780 basically this

01:32:06.220 manipulation

01:32:06.900 that we

01:32:07.980 understand

01:32:08.460 as mystery

01:32:09.040 religion,

01:32:09.980 which is a

01:32:10.820 way of

01:32:11.840 basically

01:32:12.240 controlling

01:32:12.880 and dominating

01:32:13.500 people psychologically

01:32:14.800 in a kind

01:32:15.640 of illegitimate

01:32:16.320 way through

01:32:17.380 the use

01:32:17.920 of symbols,

01:32:18.640 the intelligent

01:32:20.440 use of

01:32:20.940 symbols

01:32:21.320 to,

01:32:23.660 you know,

01:32:24.080 conceal a

01:32:25.180 true message

01:32:26.040 and to

01:32:27.840 realize that

01:32:28.600 message

01:32:29.180 by,

01:32:31.420 you know,

01:32:31.900 convincing people

01:32:32.640 of the value

01:32:34.020 of these symbols

01:32:34.720 and of these

01:32:35.320 gods and to

01:32:36.040 worship these

01:32:36.600 gods so that

01:32:38.660 that mission

01:32:39.780 prevails,

01:32:40.420 even though it's

01:32:41.720 only conveyed

01:32:42.600 mysteriously and

01:32:43.980 esoterically to

01:32:45.040 most of its

01:32:45.620 followers.

01:32:46.080 the initiates

01:32:47.040 understand the

01:32:48.660 purpose of

01:32:49.260 it.

01:32:49.400 The Gnostics, 0.99

01:32:50.660 when I say

01:32:51.580 Gnostic,

01:32:52.040 I mean the

01:32:52.440 knowers

01:32:52.960 understand the

01:32:54.220 purpose of

01:32:54.760 it,

01:32:55.060 but the

01:32:56.320 laity or

01:32:56.980 the non-initiate

01:32:57.980 initiates that,

01:32:59.040 you know,

01:32:59.600 end up representing

01:33:00.340 the craft,

01:33:01.780 that end up

01:33:02.480 representing how

01:33:03.500 the ship or the

01:33:04.940 vessel that

01:33:05.600 carries the

01:33:07.380 Jew,

01:33:07.940 David Bowman or

01:33:09.000 whatever,

01:33:09.960 they are

01:33:10.640 oblivious to

01:33:11.620 kind of the

01:33:12.220 meaning of

01:33:13.600 these things.

01:33:14.020 And so

01:33:14.900 they'll misinterpret

01:33:16.060 something like

01:33:16.640 that as an

01:33:17.180 Aryan cult or 0.91

01:33:18.060 that to be a

01:33:19.360 great Aryan

01:33:20.040 figure and

01:33:20.500 they'll just do

01:33:21.080 it out of a 1.00

01:33:21.460 kind of stupid 1.00

01:33:21.980 vanity because 1.00

01:33:22.820 they want to

01:33:23.440 like be

01:33:24.960 anti-Semitic

01:33:25.760 and to,

01:33:26.620 you know,

01:33:27.380 want people to

01:33:28.300 understand that

01:33:29.120 their race of

01:33:29.960 Aryans is more 0.96

01:33:30.780 intelligent or

01:33:31.500 genius than 0.99

01:33:32.160 these Jews.

01:33:34.740 With Jews, 0.99

01:33:35.560 we find an

01:33:36.080 equal competitor

01:33:37.300 certainly,

01:33:38.040 but it's

01:33:39.060 also,

01:33:39.980 it's just,

01:33:41.160 it clouds an

01:33:42.420 understanding of

01:33:43.160 what these

01:33:44.020 myths and

01:33:44.640 symbols mean

01:33:45.400 and it,

01:33:46.300 and it hurts

01:33:47.000 our understanding

01:33:47.720 of it and

01:33:48.580 it,

01:33:48.820 and it also

01:33:49.560 limits our

01:33:51.860 ability to

01:33:52.540 produce religion 0.92

01:33:53.400 or create

01:33:53.920 religion that's

01:33:54.520 coherent and,

01:33:56.140 you know,

01:33:56.600 I mean,

01:33:57.120 the cult of

01:33:57.900 Zoroaster is a 0.98

01:33:58.700 cult of fire

01:33:59.380 worship.

01:34:00.320 That's one clue.

01:34:01.120 That's one clue

01:34:01.960 that you tip us

01:34:02.580 off,

01:34:02.900 right?

01:34:03.700 Yes.

01:34:04.300 He also visited,

01:34:06.260 Zoroaster might

01:34:08.400 have visited the

01:34:09.520 birth of Christ

01:34:10.400 as well.

01:34:10.980 The Magi,

01:34:12.540 the three

01:34:12.880 wise men.

01:34:13.720 Exactly,

01:34:14.320 yes.

01:34:15.180 So,

01:34:16.080 it's like the

01:34:17.120 19th century

01:34:18.180 tradition that

01:34:19.060 Nietzsche just

01:34:19.960 instinctively,

01:34:20.920 I think,

01:34:21.280 just bashed in

01:34:22.840 Twilight of the

01:34:23.480 Idols.

01:34:23.780 All these guys,

01:34:24.340 you know,

01:34:24.440 the Aryan

01:34:25.240 Christ and

01:34:26.080 all this stuff.

01:34:27.320 David Strauss,

01:34:28.200 a very interesting

01:34:28.960 guy,

01:34:29.440 but Nietzsche wrote

01:34:30.320 a whole little

01:34:30.880 booklet on

01:34:31.960 bashing him.

01:34:32.920 It's just like,

01:34:33.400 you guys are

01:34:34.160 totally getting

01:34:35.160 it wrong.

01:34:36.540 And I don't

01:34:37.340 think Nietzsche

01:34:37.880 was fully coherent.

01:34:39.080 He's not saying

01:34:39.640 what we said,

01:34:40.560 but I think

01:34:41.080 going by

01:34:42.140 instinct,

01:34:42.780 he just realized

01:34:43.660 that these

01:34:44.000 people were

01:34:44.500 off,

01:34:45.620 way off.

01:34:47.400 Yeah.

01:34:47.700 And,

01:34:48.180 yeah,

01:34:49.920 but it's

01:34:50.980 equivalent to

01:34:51.860 people saying

01:34:52.780 Aryans are the 1.00

01:34:53.720 true Israelites

01:34:54.840 or the true

01:34:55.680 Jews or whatever.

01:34:57.480 It's equivalent

01:34:58.040 to that.

01:34:58.820 Now,

01:34:59.040 of course,

01:34:59.420 it's not as

01:35:00.280 easy reading

01:35:01.460 because that

01:35:05.560 understanding is

01:35:06.520 actually concealed.

01:35:07.520 It's not something

01:35:08.100 that Jews 0.87

01:35:08.500 talk about

01:35:09.100 generally,

01:35:10.260 except in a

01:35:12.900 kind of esoteric

01:35:13.680 way in a film

01:35:14.520 like this,

01:35:15.500 or rabbis

01:35:16.380 will float the

01:35:18.120 theory or

01:35:18.500 something like

01:35:18.880 that.

01:35:19.720 But again,

01:35:20.200 Gentiles would 0.74

01:35:20.760 be like,

01:35:21.080 oh,

01:35:21.200 well,

01:35:21.300 you're just

01:35:21.580 trying to

01:35:21.900 take credit

01:35:22.500 for something

01:35:23.020 that you

01:35:23.420 probably stole

01:35:25.420 all those

01:35:25.980 stories.

01:35:26.780 You know what I

01:35:27.080 mean?

01:35:27.200 Yeah.

01:35:27.880 No,

01:35:28.940 I mean,

01:35:29.260 look,

01:35:29.540 obviously Jews 0.89

01:35:30.180 are intelligent

01:35:30.940 and they're

01:35:31.320 obviously

01:35:31.700 symbolists

01:35:32.420 and parablists

01:35:33.240 and they're

01:35:33.540 skilled in

01:35:34.040 this way

01:35:34.580 in particular.

01:35:35.900 You know what I

01:35:36.160 mean?

01:35:36.680 So it's just

01:35:37.200 like.

01:35:38.540 Give them

01:35:39.160 credit or

01:35:39.700 blame,

01:35:40.560 as it were.

01:35:41.620 Yeah,

01:35:41.860 but also

01:35:42.800 make our

01:35:43.780 view of

01:35:45.120 these things

01:35:45.560 clearer,

01:35:46.400 especially the

01:35:46.980 symbols and

01:35:47.740 the myths

01:35:48.720 themselves,

01:35:49.520 so that we

01:35:50.260 know that

01:35:50.540 we're looking

01:35:51.040 at.

01:35:51.640 So when we

01:35:52.420 make a

01:35:53.760 myth or parable

01:35:54.500 ourself,

01:35:55.640 we can make

01:35:56.160 it in a

01:35:56.400 kind of

01:35:56.640 coherent fashion

01:35:57.540 and make

01:35:59.340 it in a

01:35:59.700 way that's

01:36:00.180 moralizing

01:36:01.000 not only to

01:36:02.900 people who

01:36:03.300 understand the

01:36:04.000 symbolism,

01:36:04.360 but on a

01:36:05.080 kind of

01:36:05.300 subconscious

01:36:05.840 subliminal

01:36:06.480 level in

01:36:07.780 the way that

01:36:08.540 Jews are

01:36:08.980 using these

01:36:09.420 things.

01:36:11.720 All right,

01:36:12.360 guys,

01:36:12.780 does anyone

01:36:13.140 want to

01:36:13.420 comment?

01:36:14.180 Maybe,

01:36:14.840 I mean,

01:36:16.360 we have not

01:36:17.420 covered the

01:36:18.540 entire film.

01:36:19.500 Well,

01:36:19.780 I just totally

01:36:20.640 agree with

01:36:21.680 both of you,

01:36:22.460 your sentiments

01:36:23.020 there about

01:36:23.700 the film.

01:36:24.700 I mean,

01:36:24.920 right off the

01:36:25.420 bat,

01:36:25.820 Mark,

01:36:26.080 you mentioned

01:36:26.800 Superman in

01:36:29.620 that tiny

01:36:30.140 hangar on

01:36:30.760 the ship.

01:36:31.460 The astronaut

01:36:33.380 suit colors

01:36:34.140 are the

01:36:34.500 primary colors,

01:36:35.520 red,

01:36:36.000 blue,

01:36:36.960 yellow.

01:36:37.340 Very

01:36:37.500 interesting.

01:36:38.840 Yeah,

01:36:38.980 and they're

01:36:39.180 all kind of

01:36:39.680 like Aryan 1.00

01:36:40.400 colors,

01:36:41.020 too.

01:36:41.280 Oh,

01:36:41.580 but there

01:36:42.120 is another

01:36:42.560 layer to

01:36:43.080 that,

01:36:43.400 too,

01:36:43.540 because

01:36:43.860 Bowman

01:36:44.440 uses the

01:36:45.580 red suit,

01:36:46.400 whereas

01:36:46.800 Poole

01:36:47.440 uses the

01:36:48.780 yellow or

01:36:49.400 gold suit.

01:36:51.040 Yes.

01:36:51.800 So there

01:36:52.260 is some

01:36:52.580 color symbolism

01:36:53.500 there.

01:36:54.920 And

01:36:54.960 interestingly,

01:36:56.520 when Bowman

01:36:58.180 goes to

01:36:59.080 destroy

01:36:59.600 Hal,

01:37:00.420 he puts

01:37:01.140 on a

01:37:01.480 green

01:37:01.980 helmet.

01:37:03.200 Because

01:37:03.760 remember,

01:37:04.180 when he

01:37:04.360 goes out

01:37:04.900 into his

01:37:05.400 ship,

01:37:05.720 he forgets

01:37:06.480 his helmet,

01:37:06.980 and that's

01:37:07.260 why the

01:37:08.640 action scene

01:37:09.760 is actually

01:37:10.200 really dramatic

01:37:11.640 and compelling,

01:37:13.300 where he has

01:37:13.720 to go through

01:37:14.660 the airlock

01:37:15.320 without a

01:37:15.900 helmet on,

01:37:17.020 and so on.

01:37:17.700 But he

01:37:18.460 actually puts

01:37:19.100 on a green

01:37:19.940 helmet when

01:37:20.580 he's destroying

01:37:21.140 Hal,

01:37:21.580 and Mark,

01:37:23.340 I'll kind

01:37:23.820 of give

01:37:24.600 that up

01:37:24.900 to you.

01:37:25.380 Yeah,

01:37:25.760 no,

01:37:26.000 green,

01:37:26.360 I mean,

01:37:26.580 I think

01:37:27.020 it's from,

01:37:27.980 you know,

01:37:28.160 I talk

01:37:28.500 about the

01:37:28.840 color green,

01:37:30.320 or I've

01:37:30.860 talked about

01:37:31.360 it with,

01:37:33.020 you know,

01:37:33.420 I'm sure

01:37:34.000 there's

01:37:34.240 references to

01:37:35.220 it in the

01:37:35.580 book,

01:37:36.040 but I

01:37:37.100 talk about

01:37:37.500 it on

01:37:37.920 the Apollonian

01:37:39.260 blog.

01:37:40.640 But the

01:37:40.920 green,

01:37:41.760 it has a,

01:37:42.520 it's,

01:37:43.000 you know,

01:37:43.260 associated

01:37:43.680 with spring

01:37:44.460 and fertility

01:37:45.840 and

01:37:46.860 verdency.

01:37:48.780 But also,

01:37:49.700 I make the

01:37:50.700 argument,

01:37:51.200 it's,

01:37:51.580 also associated

01:37:52.240 with the

01:37:52.680 vine and

01:37:53.760 with the

01:37:54.100 serpent,

01:37:54.940 right?

01:37:55.280 So in

01:37:56.720 gem,

01:37:57.400 it has a

01:37:58.000 kind of

01:37:58.460 fertility or

01:38:00.280 potency

01:38:00.840 significance,

01:38:01.580 I would

01:38:02.100 argue,

01:38:03.140 maybe especially

01:38:04.140 when associated

01:38:04.820 with male

01:38:05.440 figures.

01:38:07.520 Yeah,

01:38:08.080 so that

01:38:08.520 would be

01:38:08.900 my general,

01:38:10.240 you know,

01:38:10.640 obviously the

01:38:11.380 stuff is with

01:38:12.780 Kubrick,

01:38:13.280 this film is

01:38:13.720 abstract,

01:38:14.780 maybe we're

01:38:15.380 pushing this

01:38:16.000 too far,

01:38:17.400 you know,

01:38:17.900 caveat,

01:38:18.940 you know,

01:38:19.180 but he has

01:38:20.680 a green

01:38:21.340 head,

01:38:22.180 he's a,

01:38:23.260 he's got

01:38:23.600 the serpent

01:38:24.080 on his

01:38:24.560 mind,

01:38:25.480 or Christianity

01:38:26.460 in his

01:38:27.140 mind,

01:38:27.560 and he's

01:38:28.200 turning off

01:38:29.120 Hal.

01:38:30.060 And he's

01:38:30.440 penetrating,

01:38:31.080 he's penetrating

01:38:31.840 the vessel,

01:38:32.560 right?

01:38:33.400 Yeah,

01:38:33.820 and if that

01:38:34.260 just doesn't,

01:38:35.280 that is the

01:38:36.060 way that you

01:38:36.780 start to

01:38:37.260 kind of unlock

01:38:38.020 these things.

01:38:39.180 He gets

01:38:39.660 inside Hal's

01:38:40.400 head.

01:38:41.480 Literally,

01:38:42.180 yes.

01:38:42.540 inside his head.

01:38:43.000 Yeah,

01:38:44.840 again,

01:38:45.260 I think

01:38:45.500 there's both

01:38:46.780 a phallic 0.85

01:38:47.400 and there's

01:38:48.140 a fertility

01:38:48.660 significance,

01:38:49.180 but there's

01:38:49.680 also a

01:38:50.020 kind of

01:38:50.340 womb

01:38:50.820 and fertility

01:38:52.300 significance

01:38:52.900 in general

01:38:53.500 to Hal.

01:38:56.720 Hal's 0.55

01:38:57.140 9,000,

01:38:58.340 right?

01:38:58.560 So nine,

01:38:59.640 I think,

01:39:00.500 may be a

01:39:01.000 gestation

01:39:03.200 reference,

01:39:04.300 a reference

01:39:04.720 to the nine

01:39:05.280 months of

01:39:05.700 pregnancy.

01:39:06.760 That's been

01:39:07.580 my general

01:39:08.220 understanding of

01:39:09.000 that symbol

01:39:09.480 as it appears

01:39:10.500 in GEM,

01:39:11.820 and maybe

01:39:12.800 REM generally.

01:39:15.200 Sarah is

01:39:16.120 90 years

01:39:16.820 old when

01:39:17.280 she's

01:39:17.480 impregnated,

01:39:18.140 for example,

01:39:18.740 right?

01:39:19.600 The ship

01:39:20.040 also becomes

01:39:20.780 a kind

01:39:21.060 of womb,

01:39:22.160 you might

01:39:22.520 say.

01:39:22.880 And we

01:39:23.080 talked about

01:39:23.520 this with

01:39:23.900 Blade Runner.

01:39:24.860 The Nexus

01:39:25.400 is the

01:39:26.380 Nexus 9

01:39:27.220 in the

01:39:28.340 latest Blade

01:39:28.960 Runner.

01:39:30.000 So presumably

01:39:31.040 the next

01:39:32.540 generation will

01:39:33.260 be the

01:39:33.560 Nexus 10,

01:39:35.040 which is

01:39:35.860 one of

01:39:36.220 these perfect

01:39:36.740 numbers,

01:39:38.160 both in

01:39:39.100 presumably

01:39:39.740 Judaism,

01:39:40.600 but in

01:39:41.800 the cult

01:39:42.600 of

01:39:42.800 Pythagoras,

01:39:44.160 10,

01:39:44.740 and definitely

01:39:45.520 Judaism

01:39:46.660 owes inspiration

01:39:48.160 to the cult

01:39:48.660 of Pythagoras,

01:39:49.440 including the

01:39:50.080 Kabbalah might 0.94

01:39:50.700 be derived

01:39:51.220 from the

01:39:51.620 cult of

01:39:52.120 Pythagoras.

01:39:53.540 And 10

01:39:53.920 also becomes

01:39:54.600 an important

01:39:55.040 number in

01:39:55.640 the Kabbalah.

01:39:56.760 Those spheres

01:39:57.720 that are

01:39:58.180 represented on

01:39:58.860 the tree of

01:39:59.640 life,

01:40:00.040 there are

01:40:00.180 10 in

01:40:00.560 number.

01:40:01.860 And I

01:40:02.740 argue that

01:40:03.960 it might be

01:40:04.400 related to

01:40:04.940 an idea of

01:40:06.000 completeness

01:40:06.580 or wholeness.

01:40:07.240 there is

01:40:13.780 a

01:40:14.080 numerological

01:40:14.820 aspect to

01:40:16.320 this film

01:40:16.800 as well.

01:40:18.080 And how

01:40:19.280 9,000 might

01:40:20.520 be meaningful

01:40:20.980 as well.

01:40:21.500 And it

01:40:21.620 might serve

01:40:22.280 as a

01:40:22.500 fertility

01:40:22.940 womb

01:40:23.580 symbol.

01:40:25.260 Yeah,

01:40:25.440 and also

01:40:26.640 to go on

01:40:27.460 top of

01:40:27.740 this,

01:40:27.980 there's a

01:40:29.520 kind of

01:40:29.960 hippie or

01:40:31.440 feminist

01:40:32.120 reading to

01:40:33.320 the film

01:40:34.260 or at

01:40:34.480 least what

01:40:34.780 Kubrick

01:40:35.040 might be

01:40:35.340 saying.

01:40:35.700 I mean,

01:40:36.180 he's in

01:40:37.600 touch with

01:40:38.180 Yahweh

01:40:38.580 himself,

01:40:39.080 but he

01:40:39.660 learns

01:40:40.420 violence.

01:40:42.420 And he's

01:40:42.980 able to

01:40:43.380 dominate.

01:40:44.420 He becomes 0.96

01:40:44.960 a meat

01:40:45.520 eater,

01:40:46.660 whereas

01:40:47.000 probably

01:40:48.160 previously

01:40:48.940 they would

01:40:49.720 have meat

01:40:50.060 on occasion.

01:40:50.920 But once

01:40:51.840 they learn 0.98

01:40:52.260 to kill, 0.97

01:40:53.280 you see 1.00

01:40:53.680 these scenes

01:40:54.100 of them

01:40:54.380 chomping

01:40:54.880 on raw

01:40:55.580 meat.

01:40:56.440 They're

01:40:56.660 getting

01:40:57.280 protein.

01:40:58.000 They're

01:40:58.060 becoming

01:40:58.380 badass. 0.58

01:41:00.040 And then 0.97

01:41:01.040 you also

01:41:01.600 see he

01:41:02.160 throws up

01:41:03.000 the bone

01:41:03.580 in joy

01:41:04.400 exuberance

01:41:05.460 after the

01:41:05.940 kill.

01:41:07.720 And it's 0.87

01:41:08.100 turning

01:41:08.620 backwards,

01:41:09.760 and then

01:41:09.960 there's a

01:41:10.940 cut,

01:41:11.440 and it

01:41:11.640 turns

01:41:11.860 forwards,

01:41:12.880 and then

01:41:13.540 there's a

01:41:13.920 match cut

01:41:14.600 where it

01:41:15.020 turns into

01:41:15.440 the spaceship

01:41:15.980 going the

01:41:16.600 other way,

01:41:17.000 going backwards.

01:41:19.280 You can

01:41:20.040 kind of

01:41:20.320 read into

01:41:20.900 these things.

01:41:21.740 It definitely

01:41:22.300 is consciously

01:41:23.120 done.

01:41:24.340 Now,

01:41:25.440 Kubrick

01:41:25.840 and Clark

01:41:26.640 have this

01:41:27.400 completely

01:41:28.480 understandable

01:41:29.580 fear of

01:41:30.600 nuclear war,

01:41:32.120 and in fact,

01:41:32.780 nuclear

01:41:33.240 annihilation.

01:41:34.500 Totally

01:41:35.020 understandable.

01:41:37.080 But maybe

01:41:38.340 also with

01:41:39.280 the passing

01:41:40.100 of time,

01:41:41.220 might we

01:41:41.960 kind of see

01:41:42.480 this fear

01:41:43.180 of nuclear

01:41:43.840 annihilation

01:41:44.760 as kind

01:41:45.380 of an

01:41:45.880 almost

01:41:47.460 unjustified

01:41:48.880 caricature

01:41:49.940 of the

01:41:51.940 Aryan spirit? 0.97

01:41:53.200 It's almost

01:41:53.640 like we need

01:41:54.460 to turn the

01:41:55.440 sword into a

01:41:56.340 plowshare.

01:41:56.960 We need to

01:41:57.640 get rid of

01:41:58.360 weapons.

01:41:59.240 Who knows, 0.88

01:41:59.960 these mad 0.99

01:42:00.620 men will 1.00

01:42:01.200 destroy us 0.99

01:42:02.140 all kind

01:42:02.700 of thing.

01:42:03.560 There's

01:42:03.840 almost a

01:42:04.360 kind of

01:42:04.700 overdoing

01:42:05.640 the piece

01:42:06.360 where what

01:42:07.720 you're doing

01:42:08.320 is replacing

01:42:09.200 that warlord

01:42:11.520 type figure

01:42:12.240 with something

01:42:12.960 else of

01:42:13.680 authority,

01:42:14.460 and in this

01:42:14.880 case,

01:42:15.440 Yahweh.

01:42:16.980 So,

01:42:17.360 I don't

01:42:17.720 know.

01:42:18.000 I mean,

01:42:18.320 I think

01:42:18.780 the movie's

01:42:21.020 message on

01:42:21.720 violence is

01:42:22.800 kind of

01:42:24.240 ambivalent

01:42:26.620 and curious.

01:42:28.660 You know,

01:42:28.860 what is the

01:42:29.420 Starchild

01:42:30.000 going to

01:42:30.320 do?

01:42:30.680 In one

01:42:31.120 of Arthur

01:42:32.420 C.

01:42:32.660 Clark's

01:42:32.920 stories,

01:42:33.840 Childhood's

01:42:34.320 End,

01:42:34.680 it destroys

01:42:36.120 nuclear

01:42:36.760 weapons that

01:42:38.100 are in the

01:42:38.660 atmosphere,

01:42:39.340 actually.

01:42:40.000 There was

01:42:40.320 actually a

01:42:40.820 treaty signed

01:42:41.600 between the

01:42:42.000 Soviet Union

01:42:42.500 and the

01:42:43.760 United States

01:42:44.280 about not

01:42:44.860 putting nukes

01:42:45.780 in space,

01:42:46.600 so it would

01:42:47.580 have been

01:42:48.140 kind of

01:42:48.380 outmoded by

01:42:49.140 1968.

01:42:50.120 But,

01:42:50.940 you know,

01:42:51.260 it's both

01:42:52.000 kind of peaceful

01:42:53.120 and threatening

01:42:53.900 at the same

01:42:54.800 time.

01:42:55.760 There is a

01:42:56.940 certain kind

01:42:57.800 of ambivalence

01:42:58.800 with regard

01:42:59.380 to violence

01:43:00.120 in the

01:43:01.440 messaging of

01:43:01.980 the movie.

01:43:04.220 A lot of

01:43:05.100 screen time

01:43:05.960 is dedicated

01:43:06.600 to what

01:43:07.340 the characters

01:43:08.380 are eating

01:43:08.960 to,

01:43:09.500 so,

01:43:09.880 you know,

01:43:10.220 back to

01:43:10.620 Cain and

01:43:10.920 Abel,

01:43:11.440 you know,

01:43:12.100 Cain makes

01:43:12.560 the plant

01:43:12.960 offering,

01:43:13.460 Abel makes

01:43:13.960 the meat

01:43:14.320 offering.

01:43:16.260 As time

01:43:17.240 progresses,

01:43:18.200 the food

01:43:18.640 gets more

01:43:19.140 synthetic.

01:43:20.380 Yes.

01:43:21.860 Until it

01:43:22.580 doesn't,

01:43:22.980 you know,

01:43:23.220 until the

01:43:23.540 very end,

01:43:24.160 it kind

01:43:24.780 of reverts

01:43:25.320 back to,

01:43:26.720 you know,

01:43:27.700 fresh produce

01:43:28.320 again.

01:43:29.320 Yeah,

01:43:29.500 he's eating

01:43:29.960 meat at

01:43:30.600 the end

01:43:31.020 in the

01:43:32.080 kind of

01:43:33.080 Euro

01:43:33.640 Hotel,

01:43:34.800 Hotel Europa

01:43:36.000 that he's

01:43:36.520 trapped in.

01:43:38.040 Yeah.

01:43:39.280 There's

01:43:39.800 something being

01:43:40.340 said there,

01:43:40.920 yeah.

01:43:42.040 Back to the

01:43:42.820 beginning of

01:43:43.280 the film,

01:43:43.780 the apes

01:43:44.340 are in

01:43:45.940 a cave

01:43:46.560 when the

01:43:48.200 monolith

01:43:48.560 comes to

01:43:49.080 them,

01:43:49.980 and the

01:43:51.000 monolith is

01:43:51.740 an extremely

01:43:52.440 it is an

01:43:53.560 abstract

01:43:53.880 form.

01:43:54.620 I mean,

01:43:55.420 could it

01:43:56.260 perhaps have

01:43:56.820 come from

01:43:57.440 one of

01:43:57.760 Plato's

01:43:58.460 realms?

01:44:01.000 I don't

01:44:01.160 know.

01:44:02.200 Maybe.

01:44:03.000 I don't,

01:44:04.080 again,

01:44:05.360 Kubrick is

01:44:06.480 an intellectual

01:44:07.440 of the

01:44:07.900 highest order.

01:44:09.520 You know,

01:44:09.880 he's almost

01:44:10.440 pretentious on

01:44:11.580 some level.

01:44:13.220 You know,

01:44:14.000 bringing

01:44:14.500 Ligeti

01:44:15.080 music into

01:44:16.420 this popular

01:44:17.260 film,

01:44:17.960 Richard

01:44:19.220 Strauss

01:44:20.120 referencing

01:44:21.020 Nietzsche.

01:44:21.940 I mean,

01:44:22.120 he's,

01:44:23.560 I don't

01:44:24.080 think you

01:44:24.420 can under,

01:44:26.000 you might

01:44:26.400 not necessarily

01:44:27.120 be right,

01:44:28.180 but there

01:44:29.720 might very

01:44:30.320 well be

01:44:30.780 something there.

01:44:31.740 You know,

01:44:32.020 when he's,

01:44:33.080 when they do

01:44:33.700 kind of live

01:44:34.400 in a cave,

01:44:35.340 and he

01:44:36.640 comes out,

01:44:37.280 and there's

01:44:37.540 this abstract

01:44:38.340 form.

01:44:38.960 Yeah,

01:44:39.180 I mean,

01:44:39.460 I'm not

01:44:40.600 sure I agree

01:44:41.500 with you,

01:44:41.840 but I'm

01:44:42.280 not disrespecting

01:44:44.500 that type of

01:44:45.000 reading as

01:44:45.420 well,

01:44:45.660 because with

01:44:46.280 Kubrick,

01:44:46.820 you know,

01:44:47.360 if that

01:44:47.900 occurred in

01:44:48.800 like some

01:44:49.480 other authors,

01:44:50.520 some other

01:44:51.160 directors work,

01:44:51.920 you could

01:44:52.120 maybe say,

01:44:52.680 oh,

01:44:52.840 well,

01:44:53.320 I wouldn't

01:44:53.800 read too

01:44:54.160 much into

01:44:54.540 it.

01:44:54.880 But when

01:44:55.180 it's with

01:44:55.460 Kubrick,

01:44:55.940 I think

01:44:56.300 there's

01:44:56.500 almost like

01:44:56.880 no limit

01:44:57.600 to his

01:44:58.060 pretension.

01:44:59.700 Yeah,

01:44:59.760 I mean,

01:45:00.080 the odds

01:45:00.640 to Nietzsche

01:45:01.100 are brilliant

01:45:01.840 in a way.

01:45:02.620 You know,

01:45:02.720 people who

01:45:03.080 are fans

01:45:03.640 of Nietzsche

01:45:04.220 will pick

01:45:06.220 up on

01:45:06.600 these references.

01:45:08.180 But again,

01:45:08.500 I think he's

01:45:09.340 kind of

01:45:09.860 inverting the

01:45:11.120 message,

01:45:11.760 or he's

01:45:12.220 saying that,

01:45:12.760 you know,

01:45:12.960 well,

01:45:13.460 the Jews

01:45:13.800 are the 0.99

01:45:14.060 supermen

01:45:14.580 effectively,

01:45:15.460 in the way

01:45:15.980 that Siegel

01:45:16.960 is,

01:45:17.700 or the

01:45:18.100 star baby

01:45:19.060 or whatever.

01:45:19.860 This is,

01:45:20.340 you know what I mean?

01:45:21.020 So in other words,

01:45:21.640 they represent

01:45:22.520 the son of man

01:45:23.440 or the next

01:45:23.980 evolution.

01:45:26.000 But it's,

01:45:27.320 but it is

01:45:27.960 kind of

01:45:28.620 brilliant

01:45:29.340 that he,

01:45:30.520 you know,

01:45:30.760 there will be

01:45:31.460 fans of

01:45:32.400 Nietzsche

01:45:32.780 who also

01:45:34.020 will become

01:45:34.520 fans of

01:45:35.120 this movie

01:45:35.620 because they

01:45:36.740 detect references

01:45:37.580 to Nietzsche,

01:45:38.420 right?

01:45:38.980 He's kind of

01:45:39.680 rubbing it

01:45:40.500 in their faces 0.71

01:45:41.180 without them

01:45:41.900 realizing it.

01:45:42.960 In fact,

01:45:43.820 some Nietzscheans

01:45:45.040 will probably

01:45:45.460 be like,

01:45:45.860 David Bowman

01:45:46.560 is the ultimate

01:45:47.180 Nietzschean figure

01:45:48.100 or something,

01:45:48.740 or through his

01:45:50.260 will,

01:45:50.740 he triumphs

01:45:51.380 over,

01:45:51.660 you know what I

01:45:51.900 mean?

01:45:53.200 What's funny

01:45:53.940 about that?

01:45:54.660 Maybe there's,

01:45:55.400 to be fair,

01:45:56.040 there's a little

01:45:56.600 bit of that,

01:45:57.460 but that's

01:45:58.260 kind of,

01:45:59.380 he's appropriating

01:46:01.020 it and then

01:46:02.120 re-evaluating

01:46:03.700 it.

01:46:04.480 Yeah,

01:46:04.740 and I don't

01:46:05.220 think that we,

01:46:06.520 because what I'm

01:46:07.420 saying too is

01:46:07.980 also being a

01:46:08.520 little reductive

01:46:09.100 of Nietzsche,

01:46:09.800 but.

01:46:10.740 Also interesting,

01:46:11.760 these things

01:46:13.820 are recorded

01:46:14.560 and I don't

01:46:15.280 know if they

01:46:15.920 are out there,

01:46:17.060 you know,

01:46:17.260 because there

01:46:17.560 is a lot,

01:46:19.200 this was a

01:46:19.820 film long

01:46:20.580 in the making,

01:46:21.500 but there

01:46:24.220 was going to

01:46:24.780 be a prelude

01:46:25.900 to this film

01:46:27.400 that would

01:46:28.040 include interviews

01:46:29.300 with a priest

01:46:30.860 and a rabbi

01:46:31.760 discussing what

01:46:33.620 it would mean

01:46:34.400 to discover life

01:46:35.620 on other planets

01:46:36.460 or something

01:46:37.040 like that.

01:46:37.440 so also

01:46:39.120 Kubrick is

01:46:40.540 kind of

01:46:41.160 bringing this

01:46:43.320 back to

01:46:44.560 Abrahamic

01:46:45.860 religion and

01:46:46.500 God in,

01:46:47.920 you know,

01:46:49.420 in the sense

01:46:50.100 that he's

01:46:50.920 confronting

01:46:52.260 this

01:46:53.380 atheistic

01:46:55.240 and,

01:46:56.340 and,

01:46:56.560 and actually

01:46:57.060 in terms of

01:46:57.580 NASA,

01:46:58.260 NASA,

01:46:59.260 outright Nazi

01:47:00.560 organization.

01:47:01.440 And he's

01:47:03.740 kind of

01:47:04.140 playing with

01:47:05.000 it and

01:47:05.340 reevaluating

01:47:06.120 it.

01:47:07.020 Just like

01:47:07.720 someone could

01:47:08.200 watch Barry

01:47:08.780 Lyndon and

01:47:09.340 be like,

01:47:09.800 oh,

01:47:10.280 what an

01:47:10.740 amazing movie

01:47:11.480 about the

01:47:12.000 greatness of

01:47:12.560 aristocracy or

01:47:13.420 something.

01:47:13.900 It's like,

01:47:14.340 that's not

01:47:15.300 what he's

01:47:15.840 saying.

01:47:17.380 Watch the

01:47:18.140 movie.

01:47:18.480 Yeah.

01:47:20.500 And,

01:47:20.740 and there

01:47:21.120 is that

01:47:21.440 notion of

01:47:22.000 Nazi

01:47:22.280 Germany,

01:47:23.060 too,

01:47:23.360 of becoming

01:47:24.240 this sort

01:47:24.780 of,

01:47:25.040 uh,

01:47:26.140 technocratic,

01:47:27.260 you know,

01:47:28.040 industrial,

01:47:28.900 like science

01:47:29.720 oriented,

01:47:30.380 uh,

01:47:30.920 dystopia where

01:47:32.260 humanity was

01:47:33.740 destroyed because

01:47:34.720 all these,

01:47:35.320 uh,

01:47:36.500 uh,

01:47:36.880 these STEM

01:47:37.520 Nazis got in 0.59

01:47:38.340 charge basically.

01:47:39.680 IBM,

01:47:40.340 remember

01:47:40.600 international

01:47:41.100 business machines

01:47:42.000 also.

01:47:42.760 sure.

01:47:43.100 So that is a

01:47:43.740 reading,

01:47:44.160 you know,

01:47:44.640 in,

01:47:44.800 in,

01:47:45.220 in that way

01:47:45.840 it shares

01:47:46.280 themes,

01:47:46.720 of course,

01:47:47.220 with,

01:47:47.460 um,

01:47:48.480 uh,

01:47:49.520 James Cameron's

01:47:50.360 Terminator,

01:47:51.040 right?

01:47:51.440 Yeah.

01:47:51.780 So,

01:47:52.380 so in that

01:47:53.220 way,

01:47:53.540 how also

01:47:54.260 becomes the

01:47:54.880 kind of 0.93

01:47:55.220 Nazi, 0.69

01:47:55.740 um,

01:47:57.040 and in

01:47:58.060 science in

01:47:58.740 general,

01:47:59.020 I mean,

01:47:59.260 this is

01:47:59.560 something that,

01:48:00.100 uh,

01:48:00.420 McDonald,

01:48:01.100 uh,

01:48:01.400 even points

01:48:01.980 out as

01:48:02.300 well is

01:48:02.680 that,

01:48:03.520 um,

01:48:04.200 though,

01:48:04.540 I don't

01:48:04.800 think there's

01:48:05.420 a kind

01:48:05.780 of,

01:48:06.280 I don't

01:48:06.560 think he

01:48:06.860 gives this

01:48:07.400 a sort

01:48:07.820 of full

01:48:08.120 picture of

01:48:08.580 it,

01:48:08.740 but this

01:48:10.020 understanding

01:48:10.840 that,

01:48:11.280 you know,

01:48:11.540 at some

01:48:11.800 point Darwinism,

01:48:13.100 uh,

01:48:13.940 is seen as

01:48:14.680 something that

01:48:15.200 is,

01:48:15.720 um,

01:48:17.300 antagonistic to

01:48:18.340 Jewish interest.

01:48:19.100 Now,

01:48:19.200 I don't,

01:48:19.420 I don't think

01:48:19.780 that,

01:48:20.160 um,

01:48:20.620 I think that

01:48:21.700 there's more

01:48:22.720 layers to

01:48:23.600 that,

01:48:23.940 of course,

01:48:24.380 because Jews

01:48:25.400 in general

01:48:26.020 are not

01:48:26.640 anti-science

01:48:27.900 per se,

01:48:28.760 but they,

01:48:30.060 they do,

01:48:31.060 and,

01:48:31.580 you know,

01:48:31.700 we have an

01:48:32.040 article,

01:48:32.560 or rather we

01:48:33.000 have a chapter

01:48:33.460 on this in

01:48:33.900 the book,

01:48:34.400 uh,

01:48:34.960 they do

01:48:35.560 view science

01:48:37.180 much like

01:48:37.660 the,

01:48:37.900 the field

01:48:38.440 of arts

01:48:38.880 as a kind

01:48:39.380 of,

01:48:39.660 um,

01:48:39.960 another field

01:48:41.600 of,

01:48:41.880 of basically

01:48:42.760 ethnic cultural

01:48:43.760 warfare,

01:48:44.580 right?

01:48:44.840 Yeah.

01:48:45.960 Or they're,

01:48:46.540 they're,

01:48:46.900 they're more

01:48:47.460 of the,

01:48:47.920 uh,

01:48:48.480 the platonic

01:48:49.280 field of

01:48:50.600 thinking.

01:48:50.940 They're more

01:48:51.360 symbolists

01:48:52.100 as opposed

01:48:53.040 to,

01:48:53.420 um,

01:48:54.740 the,

01:48:55.120 the Malaysian

01:48:56.180 school,

01:48:56.820 which are the,

01:48:57.480 uh,

01:48:57.680 the pre-Socratic 0.99

01:48:58.520 school,

01:48:58.980 which was more

01:48:59.940 about scientists,

01:49:01.640 right?

01:49:01.940 And I think

01:49:02.360 that that's,

01:49:03.280 in our race,

01:49:03.880 that's more

01:49:04.480 the instinct

01:49:05.880 is to look

01:49:06.480 at things,

01:49:07.100 uh,

01:49:08.280 empirically

01:49:08.980 and,

01:49:10.040 and to be

01:49:11.120 more,

01:49:11.560 uh,

01:49:12.080 you know,

01:49:12.600 sensory

01:49:13.800 and data

01:49:14.480 driven.

01:49:15.580 Um,

01:49:16.300 and there

01:49:16.740 is a,

01:49:17.440 a great deal

01:49:18.540 of virtue

01:49:18.900 to that.

01:49:19.600 There is a lot

01:49:20.580 to kind of learn

01:49:21.200 from a Jewish

01:49:21.700 mindset,

01:49:22.280 including,

01:49:22.660 uh,

01:49:23.160 a platonic

01:49:23.840 mindset.

01:49:24.700 I,

01:49:24.800 I think I,

01:49:25.280 I talked

01:49:25.620 briefly with

01:49:26.500 Richard about

01:49:26.940 this before,

01:49:27.480 is that it's

01:49:28.320 not,

01:49:28.760 um,

01:49:30.220 um,

01:49:30.540 in the way

01:49:31.140 that we're

01:49:31.480 also learning

01:49:32.100 from Jem,

01:49:33.340 or we're

01:49:33.680 learning from

01:49:34.180 studying a

01:49:35.040 Jewish symbolism,

01:49:35.740 right?

01:49:36.240 It's similar

01:49:37.000 to that,

01:49:37.480 but it's,

01:49:38.420 um,

01:49:39.800 Platonism,

01:49:40.860 again,

01:49:41.880 is this kind

01:49:42.680 of abstract

01:49:43.120 world of

01:49:43.960 theory,

01:49:45.200 um,

01:49:46.240 uh,

01:49:46.660 the world

01:49:47.460 of ideas

01:49:48.020 or the idea

01:49:48.740 world or the

01:49:49.440 form world

01:49:50.160 as Plato

01:49:50.940 describes it.

01:49:52.240 But it's

01:49:53.060 not,

01:49:53.480 you know,

01:49:53.740 in,

01:49:54.280 in,

01:49:54.960 that becomes

01:49:55.840 problematic,

01:49:56.760 especially to

01:49:57.660 us,

01:49:58.020 to the extent

01:49:58.600 that we're

01:49:59.000 literal,

01:49:59.600 literalists.

01:50:00.860 And that

01:50:01.580 has been a

01:50:02.140 kind of problem

01:50:02.800 with our race,

01:50:03.900 uh,

01:50:04.580 especially as it

01:50:05.300 concerns Christianity,

01:50:06.640 right?

01:50:06.820 So Christianity 0.99

01:50:07.540 is,

01:50:08.920 you know,

01:50:09.160 I mean,

01:50:09.360 part of the

01:50:09.800 problem there

01:50:10.320 is that we

01:50:10.840 actually thought

01:50:11.720 that Christianity 0.95

01:50:12.300 referred to

01:50:13.280 historical events

01:50:14.540 and historical

01:50:15.080 peoples.

01:50:15.680 And so that

01:50:16.920 prevented us

01:50:18.540 from having a

01:50:19.380 sound sort of

01:50:20.240 analysis of

01:50:21.000 Christianity,

01:50:21.500 not understanding

01:50:23.080 it as

01:50:23.640 metaphor.

01:50:24.260 and so that

01:50:26.960 that prevented

01:50:27.520 a kind of

01:50:28.100 a good or

01:50:28.840 sound understanding

01:50:29.660 of Christianity

01:50:30.200 and what it

01:50:30.660 represented.

01:50:32.100 But I

01:50:33.540 think Platonism

01:50:34.580 offers us

01:50:35.780 also a kind

01:50:36.600 of insight

01:50:37.740 into a

01:50:38.780 more Jewish

01:50:40.420 mind view

01:50:42.100 effectively.

01:50:42.860 now,

01:50:45.120 you know,

01:50:45.400 I'm not

01:50:46.080 speculating

01:50:46.680 on the

01:50:47.000 ethnicity

01:50:47.340 of Plato,

01:50:48.080 but I

01:50:48.800 do think

01:50:49.720 that it

01:50:50.260 it,

01:50:51.340 uh,

01:50:51.360 Platonism

01:50:52.540 ultimately

01:50:53.020 comes from

01:50:53.820 proto-Jewish

01:50:54.780 cults,

01:50:55.200 including,

01:50:55.720 uh,

01:50:56.220 the cult

01:50:56.680 of,

01:50:56.900 uh,

01:50:57.660 Pythagoras

01:50:58.340 and the

01:50:59.100 Orphic cults,

01:51:00.200 um,

01:51:00.860 which featured

01:51:01.560 Dionysus as,

01:51:02.700 or Bacchus as

01:51:03.500 their central

01:51:04.000 god,

01:51:04.580 who again,

01:51:05.260 we relate to

01:51:05.820 Yahweh in the 1.00

01:51:06.340 ancient world.

01:51:06.760 Um,

01:51:07.880 so it

01:51:09.500 does have

01:51:10.040 that kind

01:51:10.500 of root

01:51:11.100 and,

01:51:11.960 but really

01:51:12.640 Platonism

01:51:13.940 does become

01:51:14.680 useful to

01:51:15.380 us because

01:51:15.920 I think

01:51:16.400 that in my

01:51:16.920 theories that

01:51:17.440 we also

01:51:17.880 understand

01:51:18.520 it becomes

01:51:19.560 insightful

01:51:19.980 also to,

01:51:21.660 uh,

01:51:22.280 the development

01:51:22.880 of Jewish

01:51:23.400 art and

01:51:23.940 Jewish

01:51:24.180 religion

01:51:24.760 because,

01:51:25.660 um,

01:51:27.180 they understand,

01:51:28.540 you know,

01:51:28.880 the idea of

01:51:29.580 the idea

01:51:30.260 world or the

01:51:30.960 form world

01:51:31.660 is that,

01:51:32.880 you know,

01:51:33.120 one thing that

01:51:33.640 Plato says is

01:51:34.460 that even

01:51:34.940 human beings,

01:51:36.240 even,

01:51:36.400 even we

01:51:36.900 are born

01:51:37.520 from this,

01:51:38.640 you know,

01:51:39.180 this other

01:51:40.180 world,

01:51:40.860 um,

01:51:41.600 you know,

01:51:42.180 uh,

01:51:42.700 of forms

01:51:43.600 or ideas.

01:51:44.180 So it

01:51:44.520 represents a

01:51:45.080 kind of

01:51:45.320 foreworld

01:51:45.940 and an

01:51:46.340 afterworld,

01:51:47.160 you know,

01:51:47.720 related to

01:51:48.200 this idea

01:51:48.580 of,

01:51:48.800 uh,

01:51:49.800 reincarnation,

01:51:50.560 for example.

01:51:51.460 Um,

01:51:52.440 but that

01:51:53.660 is insightful

01:51:54.380 when we

01:51:55.200 think about

01:51:55.620 it metaphorically.

01:51:57.020 Uh,

01:51:57.500 it's insightful

01:51:58.180 even from

01:51:58.760 the perspective

01:51:59.340 of Apollonians

01:52:00.360 because if

01:52:01.460 we understand

01:52:02.020 Apollo as

01:52:03.060 an idea

01:52:03.560 or a form,

01:52:04.420 which evidently

01:52:04.980 he is on

01:52:05.440 some level,

01:52:05.940 he's an

01:52:06.240 idea or

01:52:06.820 form,

01:52:07.660 um,

01:52:08.540 he becomes

01:52:09.440 also,

01:52:10.860 uh,

01:52:11.980 that idea

01:52:12.720 also fathers

01:52:13.980 a race or

01:52:14.540 fathers people,

01:52:15.600 it fathers a

01:52:16.220 type,

01:52:16.860 right?

01:52:17.500 So in that

01:52:18.140 sense,

01:52:18.420 it metaphorically,

01:52:19.440 it is correct,

01:52:20.900 right?

01:52:21.640 so there,

01:52:23.120 there are things

01:52:23.660 in other words

01:52:24.220 that Jews 0.87

01:52:24.620 can teach

01:52:25.080 us,

01:52:25.300 but especially

01:52:25.860 uh,

01:52:26.740 they can be

01:52:27.200 insightful in

01:52:28.160 the creation

01:52:28.780 of,

01:52:29.220 of myth,

01:52:30.700 art,

01:52:31.180 and religion,

01:52:31.840 um,

01:52:33.100 and to

01:52:33.400 basically use

01:52:34.260 that,

01:52:34.600 uh,

01:52:35.860 platonic

01:52:36.320 power,

01:52:36.860 um,

01:52:38.020 uh,

01:52:39.360 to our own

01:52:40.040 advantage or

01:52:40.700 use it in,

01:52:41.560 uh,

01:52:41.780 in a kind of

01:52:42.460 Aryan direction 0.78

01:52:43.320 as it were.

01:52:43.840 uh,

01:52:44.980 and so

01:52:45.800 in that way,

01:52:47.520 it's instructive,

01:52:48.620 right?

01:52:48.920 So,

01:52:50.100 you know,

01:52:50.360 maybe in its

01:52:50.960 origin,

01:52:51.320 it's kind of

01:52:51.800 problematic or

01:52:52.640 represents a

01:52:53.360 problem,

01:52:53.660 but it is a

01:52:54.380 problem that

01:52:54.920 exists and

01:52:55.460 it's a

01:52:55.720 problem that

01:52:56.120 we have to

01:52:56.500 deal with,

01:52:57.020 you know what

01:52:57.260 I mean?

01:52:57.400 It's a

01:52:57.660 problem that

01:52:58.060 we have to,

01:52:58.740 uh,

01:52:59.800 to master

01:53:00.480 and to,

01:53:01.540 uh,

01:53:02.000 answer and,

01:53:02.960 and,

01:53:03.100 and kind of

01:53:04.660 establish our

01:53:05.500 own religious

01:53:06.380 and artistic

01:53:07.380 identity in the

01:53:08.160 world as a

01:53:09.560 mating call and

01:53:10.480 as a kind of

01:53:11.240 uh,

01:53:11.560 civilizational

01:53:12.220 prerogative as

01:53:13.020 it were,

01:53:13.400 you know?

01:53:13.840 point,

01:53:15.700 I'm just

01:53:15.980 kind of,

01:53:16.400 uh,

01:53:16.980 echoing Mark

01:53:17.880 in particular,

01:53:18.420 but I recall

01:53:18.940 thinking as I

01:53:20.220 watched it and

01:53:20.780 afterward that

01:53:21.440 these,

01:53:21.860 you know,

01:53:22.380 seemingly,

01:53:23.620 again,

01:53:24.060 superficially,

01:53:24.560 you might take

01:53:25.200 them as sort

01:53:25.820 of fashy,

01:53:26.980 fashy residences

01:53:28.260 like,

01:53:28.740 you know,

01:53:29.040 the,

01:53:29.200 the spokes

01:53:29.660 are Thustra,

01:53:30.580 of course,

01:53:31.120 and the sun

01:53:31.980 and so forth.

01:53:33.060 There being a

01:53:34.080 lot of these

01:53:34.520 seeming,

01:53:35.060 and of course,

01:53:35.620 space travel being

01:53:36.540 associated with

01:53:37.280 the Nazis and

01:53:38.000 so on.

01:53:38.780 A lot of these,

01:53:40.300 you know,

01:53:40.740 seemingly fashy

01:53:41.660 things are being

01:53:42.500 invoked,

01:53:43.220 but they're

01:53:43.540 being invoked

01:53:44.300 in order to

01:53:44.880 be inverted,

01:53:46.360 as Mark said.

01:53:47.620 And I even

01:53:48.240 thought maybe you

01:53:48.780 saw that a bit

01:53:49.380 in the,

01:53:49.740 in the title

01:53:50.320 sequence with,

01:53:51.260 you know,

01:53:51.600 there's,

01:53:52.080 here's the

01:53:52.460 Spokasar,

01:53:53.000 Zarathustra,

01:53:53.700 and here's the

01:53:54.300 sun,

01:53:54.840 but the sun

01:53:55.780 is clearly,

01:53:56.500 as I saw it,

01:53:57.020 being eclipsed

01:53:57.720 by the moon

01:53:58.480 and that,

01:53:59.500 when you see the

01:54:00.100 title come up

01:54:00.780 there,

01:54:01.360 which immediately

01:54:01.840 kind of clues you

01:54:03.060 into the more

01:54:03.540 subversive things

01:54:04.400 going on.

01:54:05.580 But yeah.

01:54:06.220 well,

01:54:07.220 it's also the,

01:54:08.280 you know,

01:54:08.600 it's in alignment

01:54:09.800 of the sun

01:54:11.440 and moon

01:54:12.600 with earth

01:54:13.300 in the center

01:54:13.980 and you're

01:54:15.020 seeing it

01:54:15.700 from the

01:54:16.020 perspective

01:54:16.620 of the moon.

01:54:17.860 So it's

01:54:18.080 almost like

01:54:18.520 you're seeing

01:54:18.960 it from the

01:54:19.540 perspective

01:54:20.020 of the obelisk

01:54:20.920 on the moon.

01:54:22.080 Oh,

01:54:22.560 yeah.

01:54:22.680 I kind of

01:54:23.000 misread it

01:54:24.000 then.

01:54:24.320 Okay.

01:54:24.620 And maybe

01:54:25.300 the earth

01:54:25.960 is almost

01:54:26.420 like the

01:54:26.840 child of

01:54:27.880 the sun

01:54:28.280 and the

01:54:28.520 moon

01:54:28.800 or Jews 0.95

01:54:29.460 and Arians.

01:54:30.040 Yeah.

01:54:32.800 I mean,

01:54:33.000 he's especially

01:54:33.680 appealing to

01:54:34.340 intelligent Arians.

01:54:35.380 Like this film

01:54:35.940 is made for

01:54:36.640 intelligent Arians.

01:54:37.980 You know what I'm

01:54:38.300 saying?

01:54:39.560 Which,

01:54:40.200 you know,

01:54:41.020 to his credit.

01:54:41.900 So he's,

01:54:42.340 he's looking

01:54:42.860 to kind of

01:54:43.380 seduce elite

01:54:44.540 Arians 0.87

01:54:45.160 with this film.

01:54:47.420 And,

01:54:48.020 you know,

01:54:48.960 again,

01:54:49.160 I argue

01:54:49.640 it subtly

01:54:50.920 demoralized

01:54:51.740 them effectively.

01:54:53.460 But,

01:54:54.080 but it is

01:54:55.520 remarkable

01:54:55.960 in that regard.

01:54:58.680 And,

01:54:59.120 so he

01:55:00.200 is kind

01:55:00.740 of like

01:55:01.300 infiltrating

01:55:02.740 the temple

01:55:03.220 of Apollo

01:55:03.780 as it were

01:55:04.440 and charming

01:55:07.280 the Apollonians.

01:55:10.860 But,

01:55:11.400 I mean,

01:55:11.600 you can't

01:55:12.040 deny it's a

01:55:12.540 great film.

01:55:13.000 And part

01:55:13.460 of that

01:55:13.740 too is

01:55:14.160 that we

01:55:14.780 say that

01:55:15.400 there's,

01:55:16.520 Richard

01:55:17.000 describes it

01:55:17.580 as pretentious

01:55:18.220 and it is

01:55:18.800 in some

01:55:19.100 ways.

01:55:19.840 One of the

01:55:20.460 ways is

01:55:21.280 its pace.

01:55:22.080 It has

01:55:22.360 this like

01:55:22.800 sort of

01:55:23.120 slow

01:55:23.560 pace,

01:55:24.560 but it's

01:55:24.940 not,

01:55:25.880 you know,

01:55:26.100 I realized

01:55:26.720 when I was

01:55:27.160 watching the

01:55:27.620 film that

01:55:27.980 it's a,

01:55:28.660 despite this

01:55:30.520 slow pace,

01:55:31.180 it's actually

01:55:31.620 a remarkably

01:55:32.380 kind of

01:55:32.940 succinct

01:55:33.600 film.

01:55:35.120 Like there's

01:55:35.320 not a lot

01:55:36.100 of fat

01:55:36.520 on the

01:55:36.940 film

01:55:37.240 ultimately,

01:55:38.340 you know,

01:55:38.720 even though

01:55:39.080 it,

01:55:39.660 you know,

01:55:40.480 each scene

01:55:41.220 theoretically

01:55:42.100 could be a

01:55:42.600 little shorter

01:55:43.060 or whatever,

01:55:43.420 but there's,

01:55:44.240 there's a

01:55:44.680 kind of

01:55:44.940 succinctness

01:55:45.700 to the

01:55:46.020 film.

01:55:46.400 And one

01:55:46.880 thing I

01:55:47.180 would point

01:55:47.600 to is

01:55:47.920 that how

01:55:48.360 quickly

01:55:48.920 this

01:55:50.580 conflict

01:55:52.060 with

01:55:52.380 Hal

01:55:52.900 develops.

01:55:53.540 like it

01:55:54.520 just

01:55:55.280 like

01:55:55.660 as soon

01:55:56.800 as

01:55:57.180 it's a

01:55:58.520 really

01:55:58.660 cool

01:55:58.980 part

01:55:59.280 of

01:55:59.380 the

01:55:59.540 film

01:55:59.780 is

01:55:59.960 like

01:56:00.220 as

01:56:00.880 soon

01:56:01.160 as

01:56:01.380 Hal

01:56:01.820 becomes

01:56:02.260 aware

01:56:02.880 that

01:56:03.660 they're

01:56:03.820 potentially

01:56:04.260 enemies,

01:56:04.940 he immediately

01:56:05.600 tries to 0.99

01:56:06.180 fucking 1.00

01:56:06.380 kill them 1.00

01:56:06.760 off. 1.00

01:56:07.340 Yeah.

01:56:07.800 And

01:56:08.120 you know what I

01:56:09.020 mean?

01:56:09.400 And like

01:56:09.920 in a very

01:56:10.320 kind of

01:56:10.640 decisive

01:56:11.780 and like

01:56:13.100 categorical

01:56:14.340 fashion,

01:56:14.840 he just

01:56:15.060 tries to 1.00

01:56:15.420 kill them 1.00

01:56:16.460 off. 1.00

01:56:17.060 And so

01:56:17.760 it's a

01:56:18.120 really kind

01:56:18.660 of cool

01:56:19.000 thing about

01:56:19.520 the film.

01:56:19.900 And maybe

01:56:20.500 you could

01:56:20.780 argue that

01:56:22.340 the pace

01:56:22.980 sort of

01:56:23.220 changes a

01:56:23.820 little bit

01:56:24.140 at that

01:56:24.420 point in

01:56:24.700 the film.

01:56:25.640 But I

01:56:26.240 think it's

01:56:26.620 a kind

01:56:27.320 of succinctly

01:56:28.400 rendered

01:56:28.860 tale,

01:56:30.280 which is

01:56:30.640 admirable,

01:56:31.940 yet it's

01:56:32.240 not,

01:56:33.020 it doesn't,

01:56:33.940 it's not,

01:56:34.440 it certainly

01:56:35.080 doesn't seem

01:56:35.580 rushed.

01:56:36.060 It has this

01:56:36.440 kind of

01:56:37.240 slow,

01:56:38.140 almost,

01:56:38.520 you could

01:56:38.960 say,

01:56:39.300 languid

01:56:39.740 pace,

01:56:40.080 but I

01:56:40.320 think that's

01:56:40.660 unfair.

01:56:41.460 And I

01:56:41.760 think that's

01:56:42.100 unfair of

01:56:42.600 Kubrick's 0.50

01:56:43.020 work

01:56:43.240 generally.

01:56:44.280 And that's

01:56:44.660 one of the

01:56:45.220 reasons that

01:56:45.720 Kubrick is

01:56:46.580 a master,

01:56:47.720 is that he

01:56:48.020 can operate

01:56:48.660 within a

01:56:49.080 slower pace,

01:56:50.360 but in

01:56:51.440 his scenes

01:56:52.040 he maintains

01:56:52.740 this tension

01:56:53.640 that allows

01:56:55.500 the scenes

01:56:56.000 to exist

01:56:56.920 and allows

01:56:58.060 the scenes

01:56:58.440 to be

01:56:58.740 captivating

01:56:59.340 and interesting,

01:57:00.300 right?

01:57:02.200 Whereas

01:57:02.840 other

01:57:03.740 filmmakers,

01:57:06.260 who's the

01:57:07.040 guy who

01:57:07.680 did,

01:57:08.620 I think

01:57:09.860 it's called

01:57:10.200 a,

01:57:10.460 is it a

01:57:11.300 Thin Red

01:57:11.800 Line or

01:57:12.360 something?

01:57:13.160 Terrence

01:57:13.520 Malick,

01:57:14.120 Terrence

01:57:14.420 Malick directed

01:57:15.320 it.

01:57:16.800 Terrible.

01:57:17.280 But he's

01:57:19.560 one of

01:57:20.000 these guys

01:57:20.400 that's

01:57:20.620 pretentious

01:57:21.200 and long-winded

01:57:22.580 and slow,

01:57:23.560 but there's

01:57:24.140 nothing there.

01:57:24.820 It's not

01:57:25.080 deep.

01:57:25.580 There's

01:57:25.740 nothing

01:57:25.960 underneath

01:57:26.360 it.

01:57:26.780 It's

01:57:26.860 just

01:57:27.040 boring 1.00

01:57:28.620 shit. 1.00

01:57:29.660 You know 1.00

01:57:29.800 what I

01:57:29.920 mean?

01:57:30.940 And

01:57:31.320 whereas

01:57:31.740 Kubrick

01:57:32.200 has this

01:57:33.120 subtext

01:57:34.040 and this

01:57:34.380 tension

01:57:34.920 and the

01:57:35.980 scenes are

01:57:36.400 taut,

01:57:37.240 as it

01:57:37.560 were.

01:57:38.140 So it's

01:57:38.360 very

01:57:38.580 imitable.

01:57:39.500 And I

01:57:39.720 think that

01:57:40.020 that,

01:57:40.600 but

01:57:40.740 Jem,

01:57:41.960 R.E.M.

01:57:42.460 allows

01:57:42.980 filmmakers to

01:57:43.720 accomplish that,

01:57:44.500 I argue,

01:57:44.960 because you

01:57:45.900 can have

01:57:46.760 this

01:57:46.980 subtext

01:57:47.640 where you

01:57:48.520 have a

01:57:49.000 kind of

01:57:49.220 esoteric

01:57:50.740 subtext

01:57:51.280 and it

01:57:52.040 does actually

01:57:52.580 have some

01:57:52.960 meaning.

01:57:54.180 So I

01:57:54.680 think he's

01:57:55.500 a filmmaker

01:57:57.320 to be

01:57:57.740 admired.

01:57:58.680 He's

01:57:58.960 rightly

01:57:59.600 understood

01:57:59.980 as one

01:58:00.320 of the

01:58:00.520 best.

01:58:01.660 Arguably,

01:58:02.240 he is

01:58:02.560 the best

01:58:03.020 filmmaker

01:58:03.500 of the

01:58:03.760 20th

01:58:04.140 century.

01:58:05.880 And I

01:58:06.560 think that

01:58:06.820 there are

01:58:07.020 things to

01:58:07.560 imitate,

01:58:08.740 you know,

01:58:09.280 not just in

01:58:09.900 terms of

01:58:10.240 you can

01:58:10.580 learn from

01:58:11.140 the Jem

01:58:11.620 and you

01:58:12.520 can learn

01:58:12.960 symbol

01:58:13.360 meaning

01:58:13.700 from him

01:58:14.300 as you

01:58:15.140 can from

01:58:15.720 but you

01:58:16.260 can learn

01:58:16.580 that from

01:58:16.920 Spielberg.

01:58:17.660 You can

01:58:18.240 learn that

01:58:18.560 from many

01:58:18.960 other Jews.

01:58:19.940 But what

01:58:20.280 Kubrick

01:58:20.600 teaches you

01:58:21.300 is that

01:58:22.000 he teaches

01:58:23.980 you filmmaking

01:58:24.780 craft on a

01:58:25.780 level that's

01:58:26.760 distinct from

01:58:27.280 other filmmakers

01:58:27.960 in the sense

01:58:28.740 that he is

01:58:29.480 able to

01:58:30.060 kind of

01:58:30.460 like do

01:58:32.140 things that

01:58:32.780 other filmmakers

01:58:33.380 are unable

01:58:34.060 to do

01:58:34.600 because they're

01:58:35.160 just,

01:58:35.800 they lack

01:58:37.540 that sort

01:58:37.960 of profound

01:58:38.400 subtext.

01:58:39.220 That's part

01:58:40.080 of the

01:58:40.420 problem.

01:58:41.000 But he

01:58:41.760 also has

01:58:42.220 the kind

01:58:42.540 of,

01:58:42.820 you know,

01:58:44.560 there's

01:58:44.740 an intellectual

01:58:45.480 quality and

01:58:46.480 cleverness to

01:58:47.860 everything he

01:58:48.600 does in

01:58:50.220 his films.

01:58:51.740 There's

01:58:52.420 thought behind

01:58:53.320 every kind

01:58:53.860 of gesture,

01:58:55.420 every,

01:58:55.880 you know,

01:58:57.440 color that he

01:58:58.220 introduces into

01:58:58.940 the film,

01:58:59.960 every set

01:59:00.580 piece,

01:59:01.640 every,

01:59:01.960 you know,

01:59:02.400 costume,

01:59:04.480 you know,

01:59:06.160 Spielberg as

01:59:06.860 well.

01:59:07.280 But he,

01:59:07.720 Spielberg is

01:59:08.260 like,

01:59:09.380 you know,

01:59:10.620 he's just,

01:59:11.340 he's kind 1.00

01:59:13.900 of a dork, 0.99

01:59:14.580 I guess, 0.99

01:59:14.920 compared to

01:59:15.340 Kubrick,

01:59:15.880 right?

01:59:16.220 And you

01:59:16.500 get,

01:59:16.760 you get

01:59:17.280 the sense

01:59:17.740 of kind

01:59:18.000 of nerd 1.00

01:59:18.400 or dork 1.00

01:59:18.880 is making 0.99

01:59:19.320 it like

01:59:19.720 it's just

01:59:20.220 not as,

01:59:21.440 it's not

01:59:21.780 as cool

01:59:22.460 whereas Kubrick

01:59:23.500 is kind

01:59:23.880 of like,

01:59:24.840 there's a

01:59:25.180 kind of

01:59:25.440 badass

01:59:25.720 sense to

01:59:26.280 the guy.

01:59:26.680 He has a

01:59:26.980 kind of,

01:59:27.780 there's a

01:59:28.240 kind of

01:59:28.480 reservedness

01:59:29.360 in his

01:59:29.700 filmmaking.

01:59:31.180 You know what I

01:59:31.400 mean?

01:59:31.620 That you,

01:59:32.540 he's not

01:59:33.040 telling,

01:59:33.800 like on the

01:59:34.700 exoteric level

01:59:35.680 and they,

01:59:36.400 they both

01:59:36.840 operate on

01:59:37.480 an exoteric

01:59:38.240 level,

01:59:38.560 of course,

01:59:39.460 he's less,

01:59:40.860 he's less

01:59:43.060 divulging,

01:59:43.780 he's more

01:59:44.320 mysterious,

01:59:45.780 whereas Spielberg

01:59:47.360 is more

01:59:48.240 divulging.

01:59:49.340 And I'm

01:59:50.120 speaking only

01:59:50.720 on an

01:59:51.000 exoteric

01:59:51.540 level.

01:59:52.060 I mean,

01:59:52.220 of course,

01:59:52.500 there's an

01:59:52.760 esoteric

01:59:53.240 dimension.

01:59:53.740 Yeah,

01:59:54.140 definitely

01:59:54.660 more sweet

01:59:55.920 and emotional

01:59:56.820 and even

01:59:58.520 mawkish,

01:59:59.440 you know,

01:59:59.620 Spielberg,

02:00:00.200 that is.

02:00:00.920 Yeah,

02:00:01.160 ham-handed

02:00:01.820 and,

02:00:02.600 you know,

02:00:03.380 too obvious

02:00:04.120 or whatever,

02:00:04.840 at least

02:00:05.220 on that

02:00:05.660 exoteric

02:00:06.480 level.

02:00:07.540 Right.

02:00:07.640 But of

02:00:07.840 course,

02:00:08.100 that makes

02:00:08.920 him remarkable

02:00:09.500 in his

02:00:09.860 own way.

02:00:10.640 Yeah.

02:00:11.160 Because people

02:00:11.720 can think,

02:00:12.300 oh,

02:00:12.420 he's a

02:00:12.680 simple

02:00:12.920 filmmaker,

02:00:13.580 I have

02:00:13.800 them all

02:00:14.040 figured out,

02:00:14.580 but he's

02:00:14.860 actually not.

02:00:15.580 He's not

02:00:15.880 a simple

02:00:16.180 filmmaker.

02:00:16.760 He's using

02:00:18.100 gem in a

02:00:18.600 very clever

02:00:19.440 and intelligent

02:00:19.940 way as well.

02:00:20.860 You know what

02:00:21.020 I mean?

02:00:21.200 Right.

02:00:22.060 Something else

02:00:22.620 I thought I

02:00:23.060 would throw

02:00:23.680 in,

02:00:24.000 I thought

02:00:24.320 there might

02:00:24.700 have been,

02:00:25.400 you mentioned,

02:00:26.300 you know,

02:00:26.580 Hal killing

02:00:27.320 off the 0.98

02:00:27.760 astronauts.

02:00:28.700 There are,

02:00:29.320 of course,

02:00:29.620 three astronauts

02:00:30.800 in hypersleep

02:00:31.900 there.

02:00:32.880 I thought

02:00:33.240 there might

02:00:33.580 have been

02:00:33.760 a kind

02:00:33.980 of

02:00:34.100 Trinitarian 0.94

02:00:34.700 significance

02:00:35.280 to that.

02:00:36.360 Of course,

02:00:36.620 when Hal

02:00:37.860 revolts, 0.99

02:00:38.900 he kills 1.00

02:00:39.980 off the 0.91

02:00:40.640 hypersleeping

02:00:41.420 astronauts.

02:00:41.880 I thought

02:00:42.320 it might

02:00:42.600 have been

02:00:42.800 kind of

02:00:43.520 relating

02:00:44.060 Aryan 0.68

02:00:45.000 revolt to

02:00:45.740 a rejection

02:00:46.280 of Christianity

02:00:46.940 perhaps.

02:00:48.480 And,

02:00:49.200 of course,

02:00:49.500 those three

02:00:50.160 astronauts are

02:00:50.800 sleeping,

02:00:52.020 but they're

02:00:52.520 not quite

02:00:52.980 dead.

02:00:53.480 It's almost

02:00:53.740 like Christianity 1.00

02:00:54.420 being sort

02:00:55.520 of dormant,

02:00:56.280 not really

02:00:56.640 a fighting

02:00:57.100 faith anymore,

02:00:58.520 even,

02:00:59.020 quote,

02:00:59.080 unquote,

02:00:59.360 God is

02:00:59.900 dead,

02:01:00.260 but he's

02:01:00.440 still

02:01:00.620 influencing

02:01:01.120 us.

02:01:02.200 And then

02:01:02.380 Hal,

02:01:02.840 in this

02:01:03.200 almost

02:01:03.940 Hitlerian 0.91

02:01:04.600 or Nazi 0.55

02:01:05.020 way,

02:01:05.340 is like,

02:01:05.600 we're 0.99

02:01:05.860 killing off 1.00

02:01:06.420 Christianity 1.00

02:01:06.840 for good,

02:01:07.700 and we're

02:01:08.220 just like,

02:01:08.620 we're going

02:01:08.940 for it,

02:01:09.380 baby.

02:01:10.220 You know?

02:01:11.640 Yeah,

02:01:12.360 as I was

02:01:13.460 saying to

02:01:13.780 Pax,

02:01:14.100 I think

02:01:14.560 you can

02:01:14.840 go there

02:01:15.320 with a lot

02:01:15.720 of these

02:01:15.960 things.

02:01:16.360 He did

02:01:16.760 choose the

02:01:17.340 number

02:01:17.540 three,

02:01:18.320 and they're

02:01:19.680 sleeping

02:01:20.100 without

02:01:20.420 dreaming,

02:01:21.200 which is

02:01:21.420 also very,

02:01:22.400 and I

02:01:22.900 think Frank

02:01:23.440 says that

02:01:23.980 to the

02:01:24.260 television,

02:01:24.760 maybe it's

02:01:25.340 Dave,

02:01:25.940 but he says

02:01:26.360 that to

02:01:26.620 the

02:01:26.760 television

02:01:27.180 interviewer

02:01:27.880 of,

02:01:28.620 you know,

02:01:28.840 well,

02:01:29.000 it's a lot

02:01:29.400 like they're

02:01:29.920 sleeping,

02:01:30.520 but there's

02:01:31.060 no dreams.

02:01:32.920 Yeah,

02:01:33.400 two of the

02:01:33.940 names of

02:01:34.360 the astronauts

02:01:34.860 that were

02:01:35.300 in hibernation,

02:01:36.160 I believe

02:01:36.780 Campbell or

02:01:39.460 Kimball,

02:01:40.120 and then

02:01:40.720 Kraminski,

02:01:42.040 so very

02:01:43.160 Gentile-sounding

02:01:44.120 names.

02:01:45.620 I can't

02:01:46.020 remember the

02:01:46.400 third one.

02:01:47.420 Yeah,

02:01:47.980 I haven't

02:01:48.340 looked into

02:01:48.760 those meanings,

02:01:49.740 but there

02:01:50.980 probably is

02:01:51.900 something there

02:01:52.380 of significance.

02:01:54.360 Now,

02:01:54.740 the film

02:01:55.180 does imply

02:01:57.000 that there

02:01:57.480 are actually

02:01:58.000 two

02:01:58.720 Hal 9000

02:02:00.520 characters,

02:02:01.220 but we

02:02:01.460 never see

02:02:02.040 the other

02:02:02.420 one because

02:02:02.900 he's on

02:02:03.280 Earth.

02:02:03.740 Is that

02:02:04.080 correct?

02:02:05.460 Yes.

02:02:05.600 Now,

02:02:05.940 is that

02:02:06.800 character that

02:02:07.640 we never

02:02:08.000 see,

02:02:08.560 I forget

02:02:09.140 this particular

02:02:10.380 plot detail,

02:02:11.220 but is he

02:02:11.920 in cahoots

02:02:12.640 with the

02:02:13.960 one that's

02:02:14.760 delivering the

02:02:15.420 astronauts,

02:02:16.140 or is he

02:02:16.820 just being

02:02:17.600 controlled by

02:02:18.280 the people

02:02:18.740 on the

02:02:19.360 ground?

02:02:20.340 He's not

02:02:20.860 in cahoots

02:02:21.440 with Hal

02:02:22.140 9000 and

02:02:22.860 the ship.

02:02:23.260 No.

02:02:23.840 As far as

02:02:24.500 we know,

02:02:24.860 he contradicts

02:02:26.260 him.

02:02:26.640 He contradicts

02:02:27.240 him.

02:02:27.640 Ah.

02:02:29.360 Oh,

02:02:30.280 yeah,

02:02:30.640 no,

02:02:30.880 I mean,

02:02:31.080 that is

02:02:31.420 interesting.

02:02:32.020 The other

02:02:32.460 thing that

02:02:32.820 struck me,

02:02:33.680 too,

02:02:33.800 is that

02:02:34.200 the suspension

02:02:36.340 chambers or

02:02:37.100 the hibernation

02:02:39.240 chambers that

02:02:39.760 these guys

02:02:40.100 were in

02:02:40.580 look like

02:02:41.520 a sarcophagi,

02:02:42.980 right?

02:02:43.960 So they

02:02:45.200 look like

02:02:45.780 these sort

02:02:46.100 of mummified

02:02:47.980 Egyptians,

02:02:48.760 effectively,

02:02:49.400 or people

02:02:49.940 that were

02:02:50.460 already in

02:02:51.020 coffins or

02:02:51.540 dead,

02:02:51.820 as it were.

02:02:52.180 I would

02:02:54.180 recommend if

02:02:54.980 anybody hasn't

02:02:56.080 done it,

02:02:56.700 is to go to

02:02:57.760 YouTube and

02:02:58.320 watch NASA

02:03:00.640 promotional videos

02:03:02.020 with Werner

02:03:02.780 Von Braun.

02:03:03.380 Has anybody

02:03:03.900 seen those?

02:03:05.300 Yes.

02:03:06.320 And I

02:03:06.640 especially,

02:03:07.240 what's funny,

02:03:08.080 the funniest one

02:03:08.900 is actually

02:03:09.380 where,

02:03:09.800 have you seen

02:03:10.200 the one where

02:03:10.660 he's talking

02:03:11.100 about affirmative

02:03:11.780 action?

02:03:13.280 No.

02:03:14.820 Maybe not.

02:03:15.580 I haven't seen

02:03:16.080 them in many

02:03:16.560 years,

02:03:17.020 but yeah.

02:03:17.300 I would

02:03:18.320 suggest

02:03:18.900 typing in

02:03:19.640 Von Braun

02:03:20.580 affirmative

02:03:21.020 action,

02:03:21.680 and he

02:03:21.960 gives this

02:03:22.580 pretty amazing

02:03:23.700 speech about

02:03:24.500 the necessity

02:03:25.600 for affirmative

02:03:26.280 action.

02:03:26.740 It's very

02:03:26.980 surreal,

02:03:27.600 but again,

02:03:28.380 it goes along

02:03:28.900 with the

02:03:29.200 theme of

02:03:29.660 Kubrick

02:03:30.080 appropriating

02:03:30.940 these fascistic

02:03:33.580 elements for

02:03:35.140 a very specific

02:03:37.180 mission.

02:03:37.600 So.

02:03:38.000 The Marshall

02:03:58.320 Space Flight

02:03:59.020 Center has

02:04:00.140 achieved an

02:04:00.860 enviable record

02:04:01.720 today in

02:04:02.980 successfully

02:04:03.500 meeting the

02:04:04.180 problems which

02:04:05.780 have confronted

02:04:06.380 us in our bid

02:04:07.220 to place a man

02:04:08.080 on the moon

02:04:08.640 in this decade.

02:04:10.780 This record has

02:04:11.780 been the result

02:04:12.440 of teamwork

02:04:13.120 and our

02:04:14.200 willingness to

02:04:15.060 be satisfied

02:04:15.760 with nothing

02:04:16.720 less than a

02:04:17.920 job well done.

02:04:20.600 While there are

02:04:21.200 many challenges

02:04:22.000 still before us

02:04:23.180 in our efforts

02:04:23.920 to achieve

02:04:24.720 what has become

02:04:25.880 a national

02:04:26.380 objective,

02:04:27.760 we are confronted

02:04:28.740 today with a

02:04:29.460 challenge which

02:04:30.960 has all the

02:04:31.900 urgency and

02:04:32.680 importance of

02:04:33.360 our space

02:04:33.860 exploration program.

02:04:36.080 This is the

02:04:37.160 social problem

02:04:38.220 dealing with

02:04:39.260 man's relationship

02:04:40.340 with man,

02:04:42.140 which, while not

02:04:42.820 new, has come

02:04:43.740 into sharp focus

02:04:44.660 in recent years.

02:04:46.400 Equal employment

02:04:47.200 opportunity in the

02:04:48.200 federal government

02:04:48.940 is the cornerstone

02:04:50.700 of our federal

02:04:51.420 marriage system.

02:04:53.080 It can be traced

02:04:53.860 back almost 80

02:04:55.200 years to the

02:04:55.900 Civil Service Act

02:04:56.780 itself.

02:04:58.540 However, it was

02:04:59.640 not until 1961.

02:05:02.340 After the issuance

02:05:03.240 of several orders

02:05:04.180 barring discrimination

02:05:05.240 in the federal

02:05:06.020 government,

02:05:07.620 that President

02:05:08.180 John F.

02:05:08.800 Kennedy issued

02:05:09.660 Executive Order

02:05:10.700 10-925,

02:05:13.380 establishing a new

02:05:14.360 program of equal

02:05:15.420 employment opportunity

02:05:16.500 in the federal

02:05:17.280 service and among

02:05:19.280 government contractors.

02:05:21.820 This executive

02:05:22.820 order set a new

02:05:24.480 tone to the

02:05:25.580 government's policy

02:05:26.580 of non-discrimination

02:05:27.620 by calling for

02:05:29.740 affirmative action

02:05:31.300 to be taken by

02:05:32.900 all federal

02:05:33.600 agencies and

02:05:34.540 departments to

02:05:36.120 ensure equal

02:05:37.040 opportunities for

02:05:38.140 all qualified

02:05:39.220 persons seeking

02:05:40.600 employment with the

02:05:41.840 federal government.

02:05:43.280 What did Dr. 0.98

02:05:44.300 Strangelove say?

02:05:45.860 When he rose from

02:05:46.620 his wheelchair?

02:05:47.740 Mein Führer! 0.58

02:05:48.360 Mein Führer! 0.58

02:05:49.540 I can walk!

02:05:50.360 ha ha ha ha!

02:05:51.820 Ha ha ha!

02:05:52.000 Ha ha ha!

02:05:52.140 Ha ha ha!

02:05:52.320 Ha ha ha!

02:05:52.680 Ha ha ha!

02:05:52.980 I can walk!

02:05:53.160 Ha ha ha!

02:05:53.940 Ha ha ha!

02:05:54.900 Ha ha ha!

02:05:55.280 Ha ha ha!

02:05:55.680 Ha ha ha!

02:05:56.120 Ha ha ha!

02:05:56.460 Ha ha ha!

02:05:56.900 Ha ha ha ha ha!

02:05:57.560 Ha ha ha!

02:05:58.960 Ha ha ha ha!

02:05:59.320 Ha ha ha!

02:06:02.360 Ha ha ha ha!

02:06:03.200 Ha ha ha!

02:06:12.080 Imperial Trackick!

02:06:12.360 Ha ha ha ha ha!

02:06:14.020 Ha ha ha ha!

02:06:16.460 Ha ha ha ha!

02:06:17.820 Ba!

02:06:18.980 Ha ha ha ha ha!

02:06:19.420 Ha ha ha ha!

RadixJournal - January 19, 2023

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