RadixJournal - Why 2K？

00:00:00.000 all right brad welcome to the show did you have a merry christmas

00:00:11.720 very very very merry christmas watched it's a wonderful life it was a great movie

00:00:19.040 um just chilled and relaxed how about you similar uh you know i've never actually seen

00:00:26.000 it's a wonderful life um although i i like jimmy stewart and um his hitchcock films are some of my

00:00:36.280 favorites and i like his films with john ford as well but i've not seen it's a wonderful life i

00:00:42.560 should see that it's kind of a um rite of passage for this time of year um so it was a very good

00:00:49.760 christmas for many people it's a very good christmas for the kushner family um they uh

00:00:55.880 have received major pardons and i'm sure they're happy about that were you pardoned

00:01:02.120 brad i mean i i know no no no i i didn't i didn't get a pardon like charles kushner did for um well

00:01:12.300 if you had stuck up his you know shilling for trump you could have had that and you wouldn't be facing

00:01:18.040 you know jail time as you are now so should have should have considered that yeah i i oh yeah i

00:01:25.480 almost forgot um i was unfortunately i didn't get the two thousand dollars for christmas did you

00:01:30.920 i did not receive that either that seems to still be in limbo unless i'm what about 600

00:01:36.700 did you did you get the 600 either i did get that yes oh you did it helped sure

00:01:43.420 i i asked them to deliver it to me in ones so that it would be perfect for going to a strip club

00:01:52.780 no just kidding one dollar a day until you until you get all 600 yeah well i guess we can talk about

00:02:03.080 this this two thousand dollar check business because it i i think it's actually quite telling

00:02:11.920 about where we are in general and i think it's also quite telling about where the trump administration

00:02:18.120 is or was um so up north our brothers to the north canadians have at least to my understanding

00:02:29.080 been receiving two grand a week in effectively emergency universal basic income and that has been

00:02:38.280 happening since the late spring when you know across the world coronavirus was declared a national

00:02:45.060 emergency now trump as well declared a national emergency after engaging in some of the worst

00:02:52.420 mixed messaging i think i've ever seen where um he declared it was a hoax and then it was the

00:03:01.420 democrats plot and then it's not a big deal we're going to be okay and then 48 hours later it's a

00:03:06.580 national emergency it was um i mean we've already gone over this we don't have to do it again but it

00:03:11.220 was botched beyond belief but other countries seem to have recognized that this is a real thing it might

00:03:19.080 not it clearly is not as bad as some people might have prognosticated say in april or may uh it's

00:03:27.880 something we're not all gonna die we're gonna survive this thing but it actually is bad um it's bad for

00:03:33.680 individuals it's certainly very bad for small businesses particularly small businesses um that

00:03:39.180 are retail based or restaurants or so on and um and there has been i should say a lot of hypocrisy

00:03:45.980 going on where basically big industries have gotten sweetheart deals and the little guys have gotten

00:03:52.000 uh screwed and that that is extremely unfair uh there's actually a recent case that kind of blew up

00:03:58.740 of this woman who created an outdoor dining environment and in order to save her business

00:04:04.240 which is you know she made investments and she's following rules and so on and that was

00:04:08.800 nixed and the hollywood film industry however is able to do effectively the same thing that is eat

00:04:15.020 intense but of course the hollywood film industry is multi-billion dollar industry she's just one

00:04:20.300 restaurant um so that was you know you hear stuff like this and you're you definitely feel for these

00:04:26.080 people and you kind of i i have to say you kind of have a little bit of sympathy for the

00:04:29.640 no lockdown movement because you know if if you're going to declare this as a national emergency it has

00:04:36.760 to be enforced fairly um but um i'm rambling of course in terms of coronavirus but there needed to be

00:04:45.520 something if this is a national emergency and we're going to take this seriously then there has to be

00:04:52.160 some kind of emergency payment and on top of this due to andrew yang primarily and in fact due to the

00:05:02.100 weirdly due to the alt-right at least to a small degree ubi is in the ether uh it's something that

00:05:09.520 we were promoting there was a kind of yang gang thing going on but it's just a it's seemingly an idea

00:05:16.080 whose time has come and in particular with coronavirus it's just the easy simple solution

00:05:22.160 that doesn't create acrimony like bailing out businesses does because you know if you're if

00:05:30.000 you have a little restaurant you don't have a lobbying firm in washington dc if you are american

00:05:35.860 airlines or you know mgm studios then you do and so you are not going to get the deals that they do it

00:05:44.420 is just inherently unfair whereas emergency payments to individuals um you know on top of say

00:05:50.700 some some no interest loans to small businesses or something something this just makes sense this is

00:05:55.760 what should be done this can be done i mean it it cost a lot of money it to give out that amount of

00:06:02.840 cash is going to cost uh you know half a trillion uh but the fact is they are spending that level

00:06:10.920 anyway and it's it's just such an amazing opportunity for a for trump to prove that he's a populist which

00:06:19.360 he's kind of doing by uh you know nixing it and so on it's an amazing opportunity to rethink the

00:06:27.300 welfare state which hasn't changed since the mid 1960s uh and it's just what should be done in an

00:06:35.060 emergency and of course they just can't do it can they no no no they can't um i think we started

00:06:44.240 with canada i've heard that canada is in canada beginning i think two thousand dollars a month

00:06:49.220 i've seen canadians say that i've seen canadians say that um some of that is loans or something and

00:06:55.380 they have to pay it back but overall the general picture overall the general picture is that in

00:07:00.720 almost every other industrial industrialized country in the world whether it's japan or france

00:07:07.400 or germany um the government has been subsidizing wages to get people through this crisis now that

00:07:15.220 hasn't happened in the united states we had we passed the cares act i forget how i forget the exact

00:07:21.420 number it was in the trillions when it was passed i think in late march and um everybody got the

00:07:28.680 the one-time stimulus payment of twelve hundred dollars and then immediately you know we had

00:07:35.680 and that's when we were doing the lockdowns and we had um and it was it was a it was the america was

00:07:42.640 an absolute mess because you had these lockdowns are like um on a state-by-state basis there were

00:07:48.540 some states that you know never even there were some states if i remember correctly never even did a

00:07:52.900 lockdown there were some states that did severe lockdowns there were some states like alabama where we

00:07:58.220 had a a lockdown but not really and so i would call it which lasted which lasted for about a month

00:08:05.160 it was absolutely pointless it didn't get rid of the virus and the the lockdowns i mean i was i was

00:08:11.680 kind of supportive of the lockdowns because the lockdowns had worked in china in china something like

00:08:17.180 um the virus really didn't get out of wuhan it as soon as it got out of wuhan they did these

00:08:22.500 lockdowns in these cities and it crushed the virus and they did that and i think in australia and new

00:08:29.900 zealand where they you know close up the borders and were very very serious about it i mean there

00:08:34.840 were some countries that were very serious about it like china they got rid of the virus yeah and

00:08:39.000 4 000 people new zealand and australia a little bit different because of the island nature of the

00:08:44.460 countries and obviously international travel is is really although it is taking place to some degree

00:08:49.660 it's pretty much at a standstill um or it's greatly reduced uh but yeah you're right it's it's the

00:08:56.300 thing that no one wants to talk about and if you don't want to talk about china because you're one of

00:09:00.660 these people who thinks that you can't trust any number out of china any image you see coming out of

00:09:05.880 china must be fake or something um i'm not like that i i have the proper skepticism towards our all

00:09:12.140 government statistics but um the korea and japan which have similar populations similar cultures

00:09:18.720 um certainly not quite the state power but similar um again kind of political cultures uh also have

00:09:28.340 fared quite well throughout this process and um it i think it demonstrates something very important

00:09:36.900 about the west now i mean obviously some of the rumors and some of the images that i saw coming out

00:09:43.040 of china were were of the uh brutal variety there's the infamous one of apparently someone getting

00:09:49.840 soldered into their apartment or something like this i don't know if that's true i don't know if that is

00:09:54.520 you know western freak out uh but you know there are other things that can be can be done i saw

00:10:02.720 plenty of images of government actions that were very severe you could say but by no means you know

00:10:11.060 inhumane or stalinistic or whatever adjective you want to choose you know just taking people's

00:10:17.080 temperature before they get on the bus um a kind of what seemed to be a state mandated program of

00:10:22.820 segregation segregating people while dining and it's kind of one of those things where it's like

00:10:28.400 do you want to take the medicine now or later you know do you want to have a 12 month disaster or do

00:10:35.740 you want to have like three really uncomfortable months and we just couldn't do it in the west due

00:10:42.540 to culture due to the political system the fact that this is so divided and there isn't just one

00:10:47.380 central authority um this would also have been an amazing opportunity to uh to get over that i mean i

00:10:54.820 don't i don't think that montana should be treated the same way that new york city is obviously they

00:11:00.600 are very different but there does seem to need there there does we do seem to have a need for a central

00:11:07.360 authority that can simply make decisions immediately and that aren't dependent upon local politics

00:11:15.520 or you know all that kind of regional stuff which just gets in the way of uh sound decision making i'm

00:11:23.960 sorry this will rustle the jimmies of many a conservative but i sorry guys uh this is how

00:11:30.380 things have been operating in advanced societies for some time now we've seen i mean we've seen that

00:11:38.740 some countries you know handled this you know just aced it a good example which is not an island

00:11:44.020 country would be vietnam it never you know had much of an impact at all in vietnam i think like

00:11:49.920 a dozen people died last time i checked i don't know if that's changed but um if you if you look

00:11:55.740 at the if you look at where you know the most people have died it's it's you would consider okay

00:12:00.140 india for example a third world country you just consider brazil a third world country and then

00:12:05.440 the united states like far out in the head over 300 000 the policy we had made i mean i don't understand

00:12:14.520 it why did what were we doing i mean in wuhan they had a okay the virus you know emerged in wuhan in

00:12:22.220 china it it got bad there it was only bad for even they did a severe lockdown it was in what contained

00:12:29.000 mostly in one city it got bad for one month and then china was clear and was fine it's been fine to

00:12:36.500 this day um in some countries i know they're having a i know it's it's getting bad in um europe again i

00:12:44.360 think they i think they're doing second lockdowns and in britain and places like that um i haven't

00:12:49.960 really i haven't really followed it but um this was originally we were originally talking about you

00:12:54.900 know the model lockdowns didn't make any sense because we we never had our heart in it to begin

00:13:00.660 with i mean no absolutely insane policy that made no sense the spending the spending we did and our

00:13:07.940 response to it made no sense the only thing that seems to have worked is um as far as the american

00:13:14.000 response to the virus goes i guess they got two vaccines now before any other countries yeah um

00:13:21.240 that that that is interesting that that is what worked or seen or seems to have worked uh fairly

00:13:27.280 well is the production of vaccines but in terms of actually addressing the virus um it was a disaster

00:13:34.880 i think it's you know a lot of things are about framing and i i think it's telling that they called

00:13:42.640 this whole thing a stimulus check and i i think in some ways it's one of those things where you know

00:13:49.460 it's i i use this metaphor a lot it's when you make a really boneheaded move like on your first move

00:13:56.160 of a chess game you it's almost like you just can't win you know if you just screw it up at the beginning

00:14:01.920 and i think in some ways they they did this as well they they screwed it up right at the beginning

00:14:07.740 it's not a stimulus check you're not stimulating the economy you you they stimulate the economy by

00:14:15.380 pumping credit in it through the federal reserve actually i have a bit of a hot take on this p it

00:14:21.500 might surprise some people so we should hit the talk about the kind of implications of ubi and stuff

00:14:27.780 you're not stimulating you back around to the money okay well let me finish this role you're not oh

00:14:33.820 yeah i'll get there you're not stimulating the economy this is an emergency payment to help people

00:14:39.240 survive this is not like we want the stock market to go up uh this is about people surviving and if they

00:14:48.120 had uh framed it in that manner from the very beginning um i i think we'll we would be in a

00:14:55.140 different place and i think you could also say that the reason they can't think in this direction

00:14:59.720 they can only think in terms of stimulation of the economy they want to go tickle the economy uh in

00:15:06.620 the belly and it's going to start you know giggling and laughing pardon the metaphor but that that's the

00:15:12.080 way they imagine it they don't imagine it as you know there's a pandemic a natural disaster that

00:15:18.640 really is out of everyone's control you can blame china until the cows go home let's just be

00:15:25.240 brutally frank here pandemics come every every so often into the world and they spread like wildfire

00:15:33.820 even in the middle ages and ancient world pandemics went global uh they're certainly going to go global

00:15:39.940 now um with the amount of travel we let's just accept this fact that a bad thing happened and let's

00:15:47.460 take care of people and call it a survival check or or call it basic income and just simply give

00:15:55.060 it to them and if trump was a real populist not not even a populist you don't even have to be a

00:16:01.280 populist if trump was a statesman of some order he would have done this and he could have done it

00:16:07.080 through um uh executive action with the social security administration by the way uh but yes there

00:16:15.160 there i've heard liberals make this argument uh there are there are ways of doing this of making

00:16:22.100 emergency payments like this there are ways i mean would anyone really oppose him this gets back to my

00:16:28.420 hobby horse of why trump again made all of these errors so early and should have been able to think

00:16:35.640 outside of the box if he did an emergency order to the medicare administration and said we actually have

00:16:43.500 medicare for all during this emergency um it would would that be opposed by a liberal congress would

00:16:51.760 they be like oh you know donald we need to resist bonald drumpf or whatever no they would have gone

00:16:58.840 along with it and it would have been wildly popular well i mean we've seen clearly what the problem was now

00:17:06.420 my understanding of the stimulus checks is that trump i mean initially was kind of for that you know

00:17:11.620 even early on i mean that when the idea that when when it was first floated he was like yeah let's do this

00:17:17.960 and they actually got out the twelve hundred dollars stimulus check and from what i've heard is that

00:17:24.940 you know trump is at least you know his position on checks is you know been kind of favorable toward it

00:17:30.140 yeah this entire time and munichin or whatever was pro check yeah pro yeah he would deliver the bag

00:17:38.440 yeah he was the one who got the got the bag out um yeah he was deserves praise for that the first

00:17:43.280 time but you know the problem is is that when when you know all this all this happened um first of all

00:17:51.840 the republican donors didn't want to deal with it so they told trump to they were the ones who told

00:17:56.780 trump think of think of it as the flu um just ride it out yeah that that was that was their position

00:18:03.820 and all through i remember i remember because i watched it clearly all through late january

00:18:08.240 all throughout february all the it was all about the stock market it was endless stock market

00:18:14.160 cheerleading i think trump went to india in february and i mean the line the line on fox news was

00:18:20.920 you know coronavirus is a joke not one person has died it's uh completely contained you know sealed

00:18:27.700 airtight and and and then and then like there was no response to it even though people started dying

00:18:33.060 from it in early march uh the thing that really set off the reaction to it is when the market dropped

00:18:37.360 yeah um as soon as the as soon as the markets got in trouble in early you know early march when the

00:18:44.600 when the market started tanking it was you know you know the alarms went off and it was i mean we saw

00:18:52.160 the market drop i think it was almost down it was almost 30 000 went down to uh 18 000 the dow did

00:18:57.660 i mean and you saw congress suddenly congress wasn't polarized anymore it swung it swung into action

00:19:06.460 and the deficit hawks swung into action and they passed you know the cares act which was like some

00:19:11.780 kind of i mean that was it wasn't just the cares act that was passed and that was like i forget it was

00:19:17.460 in the two trillion or something like that and the stimulus checks were overall a small part of that

00:19:22.720 there was i mean all the stuff that was in there that um was just bail out porks you know all kinds

00:19:28.420 of stuff like that and but i mean as soon as the markets dropped they swung into action

00:19:32.620 just to you know get them to save the market to turn the market around and and and and once they

00:19:40.480 and once i mean and and and they're concerned and they're concerned did you know did you notice how

00:19:44.600 they're concerned like as soon as the markets turned around and started going back up towards

00:19:48.420 30 000 they're concerned about the virus just diminished and diminished and diminished from

00:19:53.180 that point as the i mean they're concerned at the debt the death toll was soaring i mean

00:19:57.920 so yes but the vaccines are coming online and and also the a stock market by its very nature is

00:20:06.660 future oriented so you're you know you're buying into the future you're not buying into the now or the

00:20:13.700 past and so they basically this is what they thought which is that yeah a ton of old people

00:20:20.020 are going to die small businesses are going to go under but you know well we're buying into amazon

00:20:25.520 and and and so on so that that's okay and um yeah there's just this total you know total disconnect

00:20:34.640 between people's lives and the stock market and and also as we've seen the stock market is

00:20:41.080 not a this democratic institution that has been promoted by republicans where you know everyone's

00:20:47.540 bought into it or so on no fewer and fewer people are getting bought are buying into it um secondly

00:20:54.820 uh the federal reserve and the treasury are able to just generate um credit uh at a whim and it

00:21:05.960 apparently doesn't quite matter in the sense of we're not seeing anything like runaway inflation

00:21:10.940 now we we actually might i'm i'm gonna be a bit contrarian on this one actually but um but i can talk

00:21:19.160 about that a little bit later but the same nevertheless they created trillions i mean the the there was

00:21:25.320 some statistic that is mind-boggling it's just like 99 percent that ever existed were created

00:21:32.880 this past yeah the real i mean the real i mean the real story in response to coronavirus

00:21:37.640 aside from like you know hundreds of thousands of people dying was what the fed was doing when

00:21:43.220 the market got in trouble back in march not not so many who much the cares that but the fed was just

00:21:47.560 like like dumping like i mean how many trillions of dollars did it add to its balance sheet like i

00:21:53.720 i forgot like oh i can't even it's it's it's unfathomable yeah it doesn't matter well because

00:22:01.500 it it doesn't enter the economy it's not i mean ben bernanke infamously said if if we ever have a

00:22:09.340 serious slowdown we can throw money out of helicopters and you know he he whether he meant

00:22:15.660 that literally remains to be seen he actually might have but his idea is that if you you if you have

00:22:21.740 this dramatic decrease in asset wealth and then you have a dramatic slowdown in the velocity of

00:22:28.200 money you can just throw money to people and they'll just start spending it um but again what

00:22:33.900 they're doing is they're creating credit they're creating digits that fortify the bank and they are

00:22:40.200 really like literally creating digits they don't they're not even having to print it i mean in certainly

00:22:47.540 no one's spending it uh they're they're basically fortifying these investment institutions uh so

00:22:54.280 that they won't collapse and i think they perceive rightly to a degree that you know animal spirits if

00:23:02.120 there's a really strong collapse in the stock market that people just kind of lose their minds

00:23:06.620 and that they want to fortify that to kind of give people the sense that everything's fine

00:23:11.940 the economy was i mean the economy i mean i remember in march and april seemed like it was

00:23:18.300 falling off a cliff with like remember the gigantic unemployment numbers that shot up to like oh yeah

00:23:23.640 like 20 20 percent or something like that i think it's down if i'm not mistaken i think it's down to

00:23:29.300 like down like a six percent or something now i think i've heard that number floated around but

00:23:34.000 like i mean this far from destroying the economy i mean whatever they did with the stimulus check um

00:23:40.200 you know helped helped it didn't it didn't like calls like i mean the deficit didn't collapse you

00:23:46.900 know it wasn't like run away all these arguments get trotted out right the stimulus checks they sent

00:23:52.460 out the first time 1200 one you know it helped it helped steer the economy there was an amazing

00:23:58.440 there was amazing statistics of like debt reduction because a lot of people people just have like if you

00:24:05.580 have a thousand i mean we're talking about like people who were just getting by like you have a

00:24:10.780 thousand dollars of credit card debt or whatever you can't use that credit card you you can't get

00:24:16.020 yourself out of an emergency you can't get your car fixed it breaks down you can't do all this stuff

00:24:20.560 that 1200 is actually really helpful right yeah um and and it was it was it was extremely helpful

00:24:30.220 and i mean the the i mean i mean everything i everything i've seen like on on the on the effect

00:24:37.620 the stimulus check was it was positive it helped people rebuild their savings it increased their

00:24:42.800 well-being it helped get them through uh um through the cry through the crisis uh help people

00:24:49.520 like i said replenish their savings um nothing but positive effects and like the stimulus check was

00:24:56.140 only a small part of the um of the cares act and it was extremely popular right like it was like like

00:25:04.620 um you do you remember back in the democratic primary when when yet when me and you were supporting it

00:25:11.240 and you were supporting it before yang came on on the same like years ago even before trump was around

00:25:15.940 yeah ubi and and i supported it too because you know ubi was part of huey long's platform back in the

00:25:22.960 share the wealth platform back in the depression that you know never went anywhere did he originate

00:25:28.280 oh he was i think yeah he was huey wanted a universal basic income and he also wanted a universal maximum

00:25:37.200 he also wanted universal maximum income which was a cap a cap on wealth and like a ubi to redistribute it

00:25:45.080 um to you know how to you know increase people's well-being not have extreme poverty not have extreme

00:25:52.620 um wealth and um i mean you the concept of ubi has been around since the depression huey long

00:25:59.840 favorite it was part of his share the wealth program yeah he got assassinated for supporting

00:26:05.220 these radical ideas like interesting uh a wealth cap and ubi and you know free uh free college and all

00:26:11.980 this stuff that you know is touted today by progressives but anyway um where is it going with

00:26:18.940 this yes so um yang ran on this and if you remember the democratic primary um he was attacked by all

00:26:25.940 the socialists um because you know ubi was considered counter-revolutionary and was going to save

00:26:33.420 capitalism and bernie and that crowd hated the idea they wanted you know people have a guaranteed job

00:26:39.380 and now you now now you fast forward to um 2020 and but you know bernie's out there bernie and the

00:26:48.000 progressive caucus are out there calling for a two thousand dollar um ubi that's recurring and um

00:26:54.700 retroactive dates back till dates back to march and the democrats in georgia are hammering uh

00:27:02.440 loffler and purdue on these two thousand dollar checks yeah and so so what happened was is that um

00:27:10.000 you know they sent out that first stimulus check and it was it was extremely popular and it moved

00:27:14.380 the politics on the issue something like i've seen a poll that came out from the p research center

00:27:19.280 and i believe 60 percent of democrats now support ubi and it's got 45 percent support in the country and

00:27:27.840 and it's really only older conservatives that oppose ubi people under the age of 50 now support ubi

00:27:34.860 people who are on social security don't like ubi it's kind of like the only people who don't like

00:27:42.140 national health care are the people on medicare yeah so so that yeah so for i mean you saw how what

00:27:49.200 happened like after they passed the cares act the the the idea of stimulus checks and in this you know

00:27:56.280 sending out a second i mean i remember like i remember like telling my wife it's okay they're

00:28:00.780 sending out the second stimulus check in august you know they're gonna they're gonna pass

00:28:05.140 and it went nowhere and all this went nowhere for like six eight months and it went nowhere all the

00:28:13.560 way down until the idea of sending out a second stimulus check well i i take that back there was there

00:28:19.720 was there was clearly like you know an election battle going on there yeah there was the election battle

00:28:25.420 and it was churning through congress and the whole thing turned into this massive giveaway where

00:28:33.680 yeah there was there was some issues there like um the democrats wanted a big bailout for

00:28:41.760 democrat states and cities and the republicans oppose that and pelosi didn't want to get trump you know

00:28:49.260 get trump i think supported you know the whole time sending out a second stimulus check

00:28:53.800 but pelosi didn't want trump to get credit for sending out a a second stimulus check and blocked it and

00:29:00.600 the republicans of course you know and this is the real issue the the true conservatives the the deficit

00:29:06.580 hulk the you know the fiscal the ridiculous fiscal cons yeah we're absolutely adamantly opposed to the idea

00:29:13.300 of sending out any kind of like second check so like it went nowhere all the way down until

00:29:20.000 i want to say two weeks ago when mcconnell realized that you know ossoff and warnock their

00:29:26.900 radical liberal rafael warnock was he was was killing waffler and purdue beating them over the head

00:29:34.080 because i mean if you look at their twitter feeds you look at their ads all they're talking about is

00:29:39.020 sending out stimulus checks yeah two thousand dollars it would no i'm sorry it was twelve hundred dollars

00:29:44.140 they were campaigning on that and and mcconnell you know promised loffler and purdue that they would

00:29:51.660 pass the second stimulus package before christmas and throw a bone in there like something something

00:29:59.380 the fiscal conservatives could live with like six hundred dollars and that's and that's what happened

00:30:05.160 and when and when you know when um when was it it was it was it was before christmas when you know

00:30:12.500 the word got out that they were going to do this this pathetic six hundred dollar stimulus check

00:30:17.180 sanders and josh hawley introduced that you know that standalone twelve hundred dollar stimulus check bill

00:30:24.600 and then senator ron johnson got on his plane from wisconsin and flew all the way back to dc

00:30:30.380 and personally took to the senate floor and shot the idea down twice on the same day i was so furious

00:30:37.900 and he's like oh we can't we we can't we can't like we can't like send out a second stimulus check

00:30:43.960 or we can't have a twelve hundred dollar check because you know my budget deficit after you know

00:30:48.640 he voted the previous week for the 740 billion dollar 2021 defense bill yeah and yeah it's like no we

00:30:57.540 can't afford it well the difference the difference it turns out and i saw an article on breitbart the

00:31:01.940 difference between sending out the six hundred dollar stimulus check and sending out the twelve

00:31:06.800 hundred dollar stimulus check amounted to something like 50 something like 50 billion dollars out of

00:31:12.320 the 900 billion dollar bill so they made this they made this so then so i mean it's transparently like

00:31:18.660 fake right like you're telling me like you're telling me the whole issue over sending out just a

00:31:23.980 1200 stimulus check is 53 billion dollars and you just voted for 741 you know they gave in israel and

00:31:32.880 that was the is it was a the israel security authorization act was part of that and and that

00:31:39.040 and that gave a stimulus to israel for like something like eight years and then and ukraine got some

00:31:47.240 pakistan pakistani women empowerment okay yeah here's the bottom on here's the bottom on and this

00:31:55.360 is the reason this is the reason why the republicans don't want to support this they don't want the

00:32:02.320 working class to get to get used to this idea that you know to have like a universal basic income yeah

00:32:10.300 because you know their ability their ability to use if it was supposed it was a thousand or or two

00:32:16.620 thousand dollar checks sent out every month that would give people options it would you know

00:32:21.260 it would give them leverage you know people could uh choose whether to take these crappy wages and

00:32:28.040 it would be a lot harder to boss the ordinary man around so they're just totally they're just totally

00:32:34.300 opposed to this idea of doing everything they can to kill it yeah well also let me let me continue

00:32:40.400 um so you know trump is in a foul mood because the senate republicans led by mcconnell throwing him under

00:32:46.680 the bus so this this this this this idea of trump supporting two thousand dollar checks is totally about

00:32:53.740 like getting revenge on mcconnell because throughout the whole budget negotiations trump trump didn't

00:32:59.180 was completely absent from it didn't pay any attention to it at all it was only when he realized that

00:33:04.280 mcconnell and his crowd were going to throw him under the bus that he came out with you know i

00:33:10.300 support two thousand dollar just to screw mcconnell you know this is this is where you're too clever by

00:33:20.840 half sometimes you have to be really dumb to be really smart or really smart to be really dumb and

00:33:28.360 what i mean by that is that you play all these political games like you can he could have won

00:33:36.760 if he had if he had spoken the truth about coronavirus and demonstrated some sort of sympathy

00:33:45.380 towards people suffering and like i'm talking photo ops here if he had simply done that and he had

00:33:53.720 basically said this is an emergency i am using emergency powers with existing institutions

00:33:58.880 to radically expand medicare uh you know use the social security administration what have or i'm

00:34:06.660 going to just going to ram through this bill through congress you know you democrats say you want this well

00:34:12.300 i'm supporting it let's vote if he had done this just really simple stuff he could have easily won

00:34:18.900 the election and it's like do you want to play games and seek revenge and be tricky and support it and

00:34:28.420 then be against it and then you know yell on twitter about how you want 2000 and the congress is the

00:34:34.660 problem and you're mad at mitch do you want to do all that crap or do you want to actually win

00:34:39.500 because sometimes to win you have to be dumber like don't play games just do simple stuff these are the

00:34:48.960 people who actually vote for you just give them stuff and you'll they'll vote for you again it's

00:34:55.640 really simple yeah but yeah i mean if he really ancient greek if you wanted to if he wanted to live

00:35:02.220 if he wanted to win by a landslide i mean the democrats are two different parties there's the there's the

00:35:08.680 working class wing which is largely white hispanic black that that's the that's the redistributionist

00:35:16.520 bernie sanders wing and what they what they fundamentally are is they're lower income people

00:35:22.380 who favor wealth redistribution and then the other the other wing of the democratic party

00:35:27.760 is the is the what is it the democrat independent liberal elites the white professional liberal class

00:35:37.700 right the the the woke people the woke professionals the yes um that who are motivated by all these

00:35:45.540 social issues yes so it's two different things so so trump trump could and there's the poc wing

00:35:51.560 i think there's three parts of the party i think there's the people of color coalition which is all

00:35:57.540 about like them being in power and you know gaining stuff you know stuff like that and then there's the

00:36:04.340 like bernie wing which are either working seriously working class people or kind of their intellectual

00:36:12.060 class on top of them which might have similar incomes to be honest and then there's the kind

00:36:17.560 of corporate liberal hillary wing yeah you could you could break it down like pew does we've talked

00:36:23.440 about this in the past like if you break down the right you break down to the left um there's four

00:36:27.900 groups four different groups on the left basically and there's four different groups on the right

00:36:32.960 um or like you say the true cons the the social the social america first conservatives paleocons

00:36:40.380 then the alt-white and then the you know the ethno-nationalist populist alt-right racist crowd

00:36:48.940 whatever you want to call them and then on the left you got the what i think i think q breaks it down

00:36:54.660 the diverse and devout democrats which is mainly uh older black religious types you got the

00:37:02.700 disaffected democrats which is the bernie crowd the corporate the opportunity democrats which is the

00:37:08.840 corporate democrats and uh solid liberals which is you know all the woke professional young modernist

00:37:15.360 types so yeah so i mean if trump if trump really wanted to divide the democrats he could have came out

00:37:21.520 it's it's clear it's clear what the path is he could have come out and said you know i favor some

00:37:26.340 kind of universal health care and uh modest a modest you know wealth redistribution a modest wealth

00:37:36.040 redistribution so uh he could have supported like some kind of ubi but you know that's like

00:37:40.440 to the true con the problem is is that the true con wing and in congress you know that's like um

00:37:47.360 you know harassing you know there's there's no way it's because of all this abstract libertarian

00:37:54.020 nonsense i mean he could have easily he could have easily won and and it's not just and we should

00:37:59.320 we should emphasize it's not just trump here i mean the republicans as a party are at a at a you know

00:38:07.300 a serious disadvantage how many times in a row have they lost the popular vote i forget like last

00:38:12.960 i mean it's like seven of the last eight or something it's it's actually remarkable right

00:38:17.520 right so so it's 2004 problem yeah it was 2004 the last time a republican just clearly won the

00:38:24.880 popular vote george w bush yeah yeah it's because it's because of their conservative libertarian agenda

00:38:31.160 is just yeah i mean on so many on so many different issues it's not and people like to a lot of people

00:38:37.520 like no white guilt for example like to racialize everything but in in fact it's really about

00:38:44.300 mainly about issues like you know um income inequality health care education costs those

00:38:52.920 are the kind of things that you know motivate huge numbers of people and if you just moved on those

00:38:57.500 issues then you could solve your political problem but you know they don't want to do that so

00:39:01.900 yeah they want to go down with six hundred dollars i'm going to go down on that yeah no and it is a

00:39:09.000 combination of ideology this weird moralism uh but then also the hard um incentive-based structure of

00:39:18.900 we don't want to just be paying all these workers because they might choose to not work you're going

00:39:22.880 to have to pay them more to make them work if they can count on a basic income um magnus you wanted to

00:39:29.900 jump in oh yeah i haven't seen the pupil but i just have a i don't know if it's included in it

00:39:37.880 but my experience it seems that um kind of like the the redo like the redistributionist sort of wing

00:39:46.500 the bernie wing of the of the democrats i i would have guessed that they uh had a the higher income

00:39:55.880 on average than just like the the like loyalist democrat they might i mean i i'm i'm thinking of

00:40:08.260 all of the people surrounding the bernie campaign i mean there you have actual working class people

00:40:14.720 you have a lot of people who are like freelance journalists or something and they are living in

00:40:22.060 some tiny little apartment in williamsburg brooklyn you know i don't i don't think they're making

00:40:28.400 big bank i think there probably are some elite champagne socialists out there um but there is

00:40:34.340 like a authentic you know working class intellectual who is not a millionaire that might also be the case

00:40:43.920 of what you said with the you know the freelance journalist type um it might just be kind of deceiving

00:40:49.940 because of how class kind of is these days like you have a higher status as a you know a blogger

00:40:57.000 who lives in brooklyn or something yeah well class is even than a tradesman who makes twice as much as

00:41:02.640 you yeah yeah i mean there's like a plumber in kalispell montana who's making bank and has a house and

00:41:10.000 kids or whatever but he is kind of working class at some level if because class is cultural and

00:41:17.860 uh it's it's aesthetic as well i mean it's there's just something about him that he is a lot closer

00:41:25.320 to the guy you know working at the gas station um than he is to someone who's also making his same

00:41:32.760 income who is a you know literature professor at middle perry or whatever you know like they're

00:41:38.700 yeah in america yeah they're not the same class and they have they perceive themselves as having

00:41:44.080 extremely different interests i wonder what the iq distribution would be for different factions of

00:41:49.080 the democrats i would assume the bernie crowd might be on the higher end yeah either the bernie crowd or

00:41:56.040 the corporate democrats the hillary the hillary democrats are are probably uh highly entailed they're

00:42:02.040 probably the 115 unbearable midwit type who you know has a corporate job and lives in a little

00:42:10.060 apartment in northern virginia or something and is calling is calling the police on her black

00:42:14.640 neighbors constantly that's that's your typical hillary the true karen uh corporate democrat i guess

00:42:20.780 yeah i guess that the corporate democrat would have a flatter curve and the the bernie supporter would

00:42:26.200 be weighted more on both ends yeah yeah um but anyway this is what i would say to bring the

00:42:35.220 conversation back to um the stimulus check is is that what trump has done in terms of contesting the

00:42:46.840 election and what has also been done for him is remarkable and shocking it's something that i did not

00:42:54.460 imagine was possible and it clearly is they have raised a quarter of a billion dollars on legal defense

00:43:04.400 i mean it might even be higher at this point they have raised uh even all these little people who

00:43:11.160 are operating on him on his behalf in terms of stop the steal whatever um you know how much money has

00:43:17.840 ali taken in probably a lot um they have taken these people have taken to the streets they're doing

00:43:25.780 stuff um i never thought this kind of stuff was possible so clearly however you and i might be

00:43:33.420 you know critical and checked out of maga whatever there is something there it's real it is a power

00:43:40.780 block it's people willing to take to the streets people willing to even you know brave antifa so on

00:43:47.740 and yet it's always about trump it's never about anything else so like again i i do like hypothetical

00:43:58.700 histories you know alternative histories in the sense of like what you know what i the last time we talked

00:44:04.560 what if trump had done something very different what if trump had said said to uh paul ryan uh get lost

00:44:12.120 buddy you're not my friend i don't trust you i'm working with chuck and nancy on an infrastructure bill

00:44:18.020 that will include the wall and you know what if he had done these things he you know these are hypotheticals

00:44:24.080 they're aspirational okay they're clearly possible you can do other things other things are possible

00:44:30.040 you don't have to just do what everyone else has done um and and also in terms of this stuff what if

00:44:35.580 trump had taken coronavirus seriously and if the democrats if chuck and nancy were um resisting him

00:44:44.360 for whatever reason just out of trump derangement syndrome or what have you and some of these

00:44:50.400 working class maga people had taken to the streets and said we need relief now you know we we we need

00:44:59.120 an emergency payment we need an emergency loan for small businesses we actually want a new we want to

00:45:05.260 build back better like the democrats say we want a different economy in the future where we're not

00:45:09.500 dependent upon amazon and walmart and all that kind of stuff we want a more small business you know

00:45:14.740 what if they had done that what if they had actually used all of that power that is real that

00:45:21.140 that's authentic as well that the people people will get on a southwest flight and travel across the

00:45:27.260 country to go to one of these rallies you know they will spend their own money and time and they'll risk

00:45:32.060 their lives sort of in terms of braving antifa this is real what if they had actually done did this to

00:45:40.620 get something as opposed to endlessly doing this crap for trump and with the the stop the steal stuff

00:45:47.540 you're just like guys this is not going to happen you are investing you know a billions you know when

00:45:56.660 you when you add it all up it's billions of dollars of time and donations and money and effort and

00:46:02.160 whatever you're you're you're putting billions towards something that is not happening in this like

00:46:09.960 this is impossible this is ridiculous you're looking like fools and and yet they have all of that

00:46:17.520 energy that could be directed towards something that could actually help them i mean it is really

00:46:22.360 heartbreaking it's it's it's it's it's truly it's truly sad i mean if you just if you just looked

00:46:30.540 back at all our criticisms of trump over the last four years every one of them pretty much every one

00:46:36.040 of them was on target first when we started criticizing remember when we first started

00:46:39.900 criticizing him for for hiring people like gary cone and yeah um having riots you know staff the

00:46:46.500 administration we were already in and then of course when we were loudly complaining about you know

00:46:50.980 attacking syria and then of course you know moving on paul ryan's agenda i mean i was criticizing him

00:46:57.940 i was black telling people on i was like look he's about the he's about to advance paul ryan's agenda

00:47:03.480 it's going to get um that's going to be the the thing he's going to dive into he's going to waste

00:47:08.580 his political capital on it he's going to lose his populist image all those things came true

00:47:12.940 right i mean we can imagine we can imagine a different trump who wasn't trump like the

00:47:17.840 coronavirus was an absolute golden opportunity for him to advance his national populist agenda he did

00:47:25.100 he did now he did use some of it to temporarily suspend immigration um he did have some temporary

00:47:32.500 success on that front but that's um you know just executive order stuff but i mean he could he could

00:47:38.600 he could have rolled out like i'm going to defend america uh against this virus we need to seal up the

00:47:44.940 borders and stop these flights he tried to do that with china it was too late um the virus had already

00:47:50.280 gotten out to europe but um instead of having this cranky you know libertarian you know nonsense that

00:47:58.900 they degenerated into he could he could have absolutely seized uh seized you know the opportunity

00:48:05.300 to um advance himself but he chose not to you know he was more focused on the more focused on the stock

00:48:13.100 market um wanted to run on this conservative strategy he had you know already set up for 2020

00:48:19.820 um there were so many blown opportunities there it just blows them on and finally you know at the very

00:48:27.460 end of the day that it as we saw with what's going on with the stop the still and the amnats and all

00:48:32.600 that um it became totally about him right his movement became totally 100 about him even even in

00:48:41.100 this battle over this over the stimulus check he could have he could have been out there hammering

00:48:45.220 mitch mcconnell for months to you know send people two thousand dollars instead like he completely

00:48:50.860 ignored the negotiations and then finally only when he realized that um the republican senator

00:48:57.440 were going to throw him under the bus did he you know turn on him if he had decoupled from them

00:49:02.240 like years ago he wouldn't even be in this position but i mean yeah yeah well wait till you've got 20

00:49:08.880 days left 20 30 20 25 days left of your term to figure out like what you should have figured out

00:49:14.120 like five years ago so well i mean he could have asked us i know that sounds ridiculous but it's

00:49:22.080 actually yeah instead of yeah instead of instead he could have asked us i mean he could have asked

00:49:28.220 anybody on twitter how do i win instead he listened to people like brad parscale who spent a billion

00:49:33.560 dollars to lose right yeah phantom voters and in places like chasing phantom voters and spending

00:49:39.420 millions on super bowl super bowl advertisements uh about black criminals released early no that was

00:49:46.740 really really great job there brad these guys yeah if you wanted to win the black vote if you wanted to

00:49:51.600 win the black vote here's very simple like i mean you see all the reaction to it after he comes out

00:49:56.300 for two thousand dollars but recount them votes man it was it was fraud it was fraud recount them votes

00:50:04.300 right well i kind of don't have any criticism of that though you know like i get it you know

00:50:12.260 they're acting in their immediate self-interest i'm not gonna yeah the way the way you win

00:50:20.660 the way you win you beat the democrats is you you divide the party between their redistributionist

00:50:26.400 wing and the professional class wing and you let them run totally on the basis of these

00:50:32.000 insane social issues that they care so much about you know yeah but like the republican party that's the

00:50:37.840 problem like i've been i've posted this video from oran cass last night and i follow all these people

00:50:43.800 and what their fundamental problem is is that the republican party does not want to embrace economic

00:50:49.860 populism and if it did it wouldn't be fighting to the death of this 600 stimulus check really really i

00:50:56.460 mean that was their optics that they came and shot down like a 12 the two thousand dollar stimulus check

00:51:01.640 on christmas eve right yeah because they're so wedded to this antiquated ideology but they could

00:51:07.500 easily win there's a path for them to win they just gotta i mean it's this weird thing where and this

00:51:14.680 is at least where we are now i don't know if it's always been this way maybe it has but there there is

00:51:20.100 this strange way in which the two-party system is kind of inherently contradictory and that inherent

00:51:30.000 contradiction almost like gives it its tension or something that keeps it going and so you you see

00:51:37.720 this you'll see this from charlie kirk you'll see this from marco rubio people whom you would not

00:51:43.520 expect to see it from where they're saying outright this is a workers party and we are skeptical of

00:51:50.680 corporations they're they're probably not going to say wealth redistribution but they're going to say

00:51:55.560 we're skeptical of corporates corporate power yeah um and then you have the democratic party which

00:52:02.120 is you know it's been this dramatic flip since the clinton period where clinton won 70 percent of

00:52:09.820 working-class whites now by 2016 trump is winning 70 percent of working-class whites and you have this

00:52:15.560 strong flow of people with education professional careers uh and wealth flowing into the democratic

00:52:24.300 party so you have this like contradictory cocktail i don't know how to describe it but it's almost

00:52:31.460 like it's almost necessary in some way that's what gives the two-party system its tension which is you

00:52:36.660 have this working-class party that will never actually do anything for its voters and then you have this

00:52:43.420 weird quasi working-class party made up of highly educated suburban professionals it's just bizarre

00:52:52.620 um but i i don't know maybe these tensions have kind of always been in the political structure but

00:52:58.960 at this point it is highly contradictory almost fascinatingly so yeah i mean if things are uh

00:53:06.800 kind of i think you know the polarization might be over if polarization is terrible we agree on that

00:53:10.940 because it polarizes it polarizes our politics towards two extremes both of which are awful right

00:53:15.960 the true con libertarian you know charlie court crowd they're the ones on the right who benefit

00:53:22.620 from all the polarization and on the left it's the it's on the left it's the you know the insane

00:53:28.440 cultural liberals you know the um they're the ones who benefit from it whereas you know people in

00:53:35.460 the middle like and we saw this this is one thing we learned from the yang gang experiment

00:53:39.800 and that when we were supporting yang we were seeing all these people like who are you know

00:53:45.760 democrats and we had like no problem with them because people agree with a thousand dollars

00:53:50.820 yeah that polarize that that broke through the polarization that thousand dollar thing and you

00:53:58.500 know so yeah yeah i mean like something like if trump is as going to your general strategy if trump

00:54:07.020 takes the issues of the working class bernie wing and actually pursues them there's this weird way

00:54:15.600 that he transcends polarization and if you can transcend polarization you can actually be a dominant party

00:54:21.620 i mean i think with the this will kind of get us into what we'll talk about next which is you know

00:54:26.940 predictions or maybe not predictions just kind of a forecast your view of what's happening in 2021

00:54:31.500 but i mean my view which i laid out an article i wrote in november it's that the democrats are in

00:54:38.880 this weird position where in terms of demographics and in terms of winning over very important

00:54:47.160 constituencies like suburban professionals wealthy people they are hegemonic they have an ability to

00:54:55.080 dominate if they want to um but they can't because they're they're not willing to actually pursue

00:55:04.540 those things that transcend polarization and they keep pursuing the crap that just makes polarization

00:55:11.560 more intense and makes everyone want to puke even joe biden grandfather joe you know he doesn't

00:55:19.120 offend anyone he's a good old boy whatever you want to say even he already starting yeah and even he

00:55:26.340 goes to some you know cnn town hall and says it's so great that your son is a girl now you know embracing

00:55:33.620 this transgender the stuff that just makes people puke makes them violently angry in fact and and just

00:55:40.260 increases polarization and therefore increases the just fundamental fakeness of the system and that

00:55:46.680 fakeness is that nothing actually changes but we get a more and more angry so we're living in this like

00:55:55.180 this like residue or like just just legacy of the welfare state it's not actually changing it's not

00:56:02.620 like when george bush came in we were like a free market capitalist no it was still the great society

00:56:07.780 none of this stuff changes things change culturally and and they change in corporations and so on but they

00:56:14.800 they don't they don't fundamental brass tacks rubber hitting the road politics does not change

00:56:20.300 yet everyone gets more extreme and more hatred and hatred of each other grows and if and i understand how

00:56:29.020 you want to lean into this and own the libs or own you know drink conservative tears or whatever i get it but

00:56:35.320 that's not how you win that gives that is immediate satisfaction it's not a real strategy and it is even it's a

00:56:43.000 losing strategy even for democrats who have the ability to throw away their own hegemonic opportunity which

00:56:50.960 i think they clearly have yeah well one one thing you know i've been experimenting around with lately and

00:57:00.120 increasingly so is you know after you know studying all this looking at all these surveys and just

00:57:06.240 experience dealing with young gang and stuff like that is you know there's a possibility there for

00:57:12.120 you know we've been so the how would you say it the pro-white movement has been coupled to linked to

00:57:18.440 conservatives for so long and have gotten absolutely nowhere after 50 years but it's i would like to

00:57:25.900 imagine a pro-white politics that is you know at least doesn't doesn't like make all these identity

00:57:32.940 issues toxic but it's also redistributionist because i think if we had a redistributionist message

00:57:40.120 that would split our opposition and uh i mean you call me a racist or whatever but you know i want to

00:57:49.380 give you two thousand dollars i mean how how angry are you going to be if i'm sending you a check to

00:57:56.120 the post office yeah i i agree that we need to get rid of the billionaires get rid of all of them

00:58:01.260 right yeah i'm ready to work with you to do that right yeah so yeah so white populism i think that's

00:58:07.300 the way forward um i i think that um i am not quite the populist the uh kingfish uh louisiana socialist

00:58:19.880 that you are um but i would say this um and and i could probably come up with some critiques of

00:58:28.500 populism but i'll i'll i'll refrain from the moment but i would say this this is where politics

00:58:34.000 are going whether you or i like it or not and i do think that the cat is out of the bag and with

00:58:41.300 coronavirus the cat is like it's not only out of the bag it's on the loose you you just can't put it

00:58:49.840 back in and i think this will actually then this is kind of my general forecast i think biden is going

00:58:57.400 to have an unhappy presidency um i think everyone is getting ready for you know grandpa joe to just

00:59:05.560 be this you know benign white guy who's not trump and doesn't tweet and is caring and normal and things

00:59:13.980 like that and i think they'll have that for a couple of weeks but the fact is i i do think that this is

00:59:21.240 going to be unhappy because he isn't he he's he's rhetorically trying to transcend polarization but

00:59:27.420 he's he's unwilling to transcend it uh in a level of policy i mean you can kind of hear him there is

00:59:33.980 this leaked audio tape which is one of the most ridiculous things i i ever heard where he said you

00:59:41.380 know i'm the guy i was willing to do the impossible what everyone told me i shouldn't do and that is run a

00:59:48.520 campaign based on charlottesville no one ever had that no one ever had that idea before him

00:59:54.960 it's just such a like it's like beyond meaningless as as it is you can already see you know i mean

01:00:03.980 yeah you can already see good you can already see joe setting up the joe setting up the dis

01:00:09.500 disillusionment for the redistributionist crowd first of all he said that i don't actually know if i can

01:00:16.280 actually forgive that fifty thousand dollars student loan debt that was that was i don't know

01:00:22.220 if i can actually do that i don't know if i actually have the power to do that he made that remark like

01:00:26.380 just before christmas and it didn't get it didn't get much attention but it was significant and then

01:00:32.560 also and then also you know he's hammering trump for sticking to this two thousand dollar issues go ahead

01:00:38.340 and sign the bill people um he have you noticed that uh kamala and joe aren't out there hammering

01:00:46.740 for two thousand dollars no strangely like quiet strangely strangely quiet about it they're like

01:00:54.160 you can see them backing away from you know these redistributionist policies that are popular

01:00:58.540 yes with their own base setting up their own base to be blackpilled and disappointed so you know

01:01:05.580 opportunity for us i think yeah it is because you need your base you can't just you can't have your

01:01:13.140 a major part of your base blackpilled and angry and then on on the secondary level as we've been

01:01:19.340 talking about these are the ways to transcend polarization and i i i do this is a a general forecast

01:01:26.140 a very unhappy presidency for joe biden a b um i i just think the cat is out of the bag in terms

01:01:34.940 of actual spending the republicans could get away you know decades ago of basically saying things like

01:01:42.160 you know in the reagan era they're they're blowing out budgets huge amount of debt increase but it's

01:01:47.140 like ah it's all tip o'neill's faults and we're trying to lower taxes and you know this is our we have

01:01:52.080 an ideal of balanced budgets but we're not quite there yet and we would be without the liberals or

01:01:57.220 whatever bullshit they would say and they could kind of get away with that um but i don't think

01:02:03.380 they can anymore you can you you just can't plausibly present yourself as we actually care about balanced

01:02:11.380 budgets when you so clearly don't and when the population is more and more primed to accept something

01:02:20.080 like national health care or accept something like ubi or emergency payments or what have you

01:02:25.340 and i just um they they can't do it and so i think it's real and there is going to be a major push if

01:02:32.640 anyone can transcend polarization it's going to be people who are going to be pushing these kinds of

01:02:38.020 new programs uh let me um let me um go back and um address something we've discussed on previous

01:02:46.720 episodes uh prediction for violence you know surprisingly things are quiet and it doesn't

01:02:53.260 look like you know there's going to be any any kind of violence things are kind of simmering down

01:02:58.220 um yes well i mean this this for this trump thing his base still thinks you know he's going to win

01:03:04.240 somehow by a miracle i don't i don't understand it but um it seems to you know the the possibility of

01:03:12.380 violence seems to be decreasing and another thing we haven't seen is you know we were kind of some of

01:03:18.360 us were speculating that um after the election we would see the launch of like holly 2024 and

01:03:24.400 all these you know maybe tucker 2024 and yeah we would see the amnats we would see the amnats you

01:03:31.380 know switching gears to their you know holly 2024 and that and that hasn't happened they've been doing

01:03:37.520 to stop the steel grift um i don't know what they're going to do after it they're clinging

01:03:43.100 i thought they would be ended with trump but i was obviously wrong no no maybe maybe maybe they're

01:03:52.100 going to hang on to trump like do you think they go into zombie trumpism and and hang on um they might

01:03:59.100 i mean i think there's going to be a weird situation where trump is go i mean i don't think

01:04:03.940 there's going to be a actual great schism but i i think there will be a weird situation from where

01:04:09.580 they'll be almost like the trump white house and in mar-a-lago florida yeah yeah i'm still here

01:04:14.880 there'll be this like trump white house in mar-a-lago florida um and i i see a lot of the

01:04:21.140 alt-white even moving to uh florida um but i i don't know how long that can last i don't know

01:04:29.680 i i this is a good question i don't have a firm prediction on this because i i just don't know

01:04:34.900 whether they're going they can actually change horses or whether they just can't do anything

01:04:39.680 without trump um i've said and i stand by this one of the things you know um maggot exists without

01:04:46.780 trump the election and they and you got acceleration in that sense and it's and it seems to have

01:04:51.900 accelerated people into these you know delusional fantasy worlds where the whole thing was stolen

01:04:57.400 right yeah um you were making a very good point about the decline in violence and i can remember

01:05:05.580 these conversations that were had in the alt-right in late 2016 and early 2017 uh when everyone was

01:05:15.260 talking about how the left is out of control and we we need trump in there because he gives us time

01:05:24.540 away from the left for just another four years to kind of organize ourselves and then basically

01:05:30.820 what you know but demographics are destiny so we can't hold this tide back forever but

01:05:36.340 we should for a couple years organize and then it will be just an all-out onslaught on uh us and

01:05:44.080 conservatives in general and republicans or whatever and i think much like other predictions that i

01:05:50.000 hear among the alt-right really the exact opposite seems to have taken place and there was this

01:05:57.920 outright just onslaught of de-platforming um attacks doxing and even physical attacks throughout the trump

01:06:07.600 era and this seemed to have even though i was able to extricate myself from it this seems to have

01:06:13.040 reached a crescendo in portland and seattle and in chicago and so on at the end uh or the midway to

01:06:21.940 end point of 2020 where we were having just riots on the street and even though it was about blm and

01:06:27.320 george floyd it was it was kind of ultimately about trump it was ultimately about that initial trauma

01:06:32.320 of trump and i i don't know these seem to be declining precipitously there there there have been

01:06:39.220 some fights going on between broad boys and antifa but i i don't i think it's on the way down i think

01:06:47.300 we've actually probably seen the peak of violence unless i'm unless i'm wrong unless things heat up

01:06:53.480 when the summer comes uh i think it's going to decline and i think the dynamic is going to change

01:06:59.220 in the next four years as well and it's going to actually a lot of these things are going to be

01:07:03.880 directed against um uh against uh joe biden much like much like lbg felt the full things were i mean

01:07:12.980 before the election before the election things were like so so tense like i mean it felt like

01:07:21.080 you know violence could break out at any minute but now it's you know with the stop the steal thing

01:07:25.000 it's just like a farce right yeah with sydney powell and all and all these people it strangely

01:07:30.600 declined into into a farce and and maybe it's because you know we're in we're in winter now

01:07:36.460 and i mean all kinds of street activism and all kinds of stuff like that always goes down during

01:07:42.940 winter because it's cold outside so um i don't know but it just it just seems like the possibility of

01:07:48.260 any kind of serious violence breaking out has declined and also to address uh another point there

01:07:56.680 about the alt-right and its predictions of you know we gotta buy we gotta buy ourselves time and

01:08:02.360 and uh all this stuff and there's there's one character i don't know if you saw do you know

01:08:08.940 who jason cone is oh of course i've known him for a while yes yeah yeah he did you see that he did

01:08:15.740 you see he was so upset about you voting for biden he's like richard spencer's gonna be raped in

01:08:20.600 prison or or it was something extreme i didn't and in fact i would only have myself to blame

01:08:26.500 so uh we have yourself right so we shouldn't even blame the rapist i mean that just goes to show

01:08:33.340 that's just goes i mean this is i mean no white guilt and i we i did an episode responding to him

01:08:37.920 and this this is you know a classic example of okay of you know complete and total polarization

01:08:45.960 all it accomplishes is propping up the true con libertarian sort of right and and they're only

01:08:54.560 their whole they don't have any kind of white identity i mean they tell you this themselves

01:08:58.740 they're like we don't have a white identity we don't have any kind of cultural identity all we

01:09:02.680 believe in is classical liberalism and free market capitalism we believe in socialism so that that's

01:09:07.820 who's empowered by polarization and and and when those people control the right they you know

01:09:14.480 you know make sure all of us our lives are miserable all we're doing is empowering those people

01:09:19.940 and um where was it where was going with this i'm not even sure people like no white guilt

01:09:27.460 have a strong sense of identity i think they're actually very similar to the republicans who they

01:09:34.340 who they will criticize because you i i've i've seen some clips of these and and they'll be like

01:09:39.060 i'm not saying that the republicans are pro-white but they are kind of co-victims of this of the anti-whites

01:09:47.300 yeah and yeah but what well let me finish the thought real quick i mean i i kind of get the

01:09:54.360 idea of you want to formulate things in a very punchy fashion and that you want to kind of boil

01:10:02.780 things down sometimes i get i'll grant that it's due to some extent um but i i find it kind of

01:10:11.260 interesting with all these people who get obsessed with stuff where they they seem to kind of lack

01:10:16.380 any kind of identity or critical faculty themselves like what this is about is some

01:10:23.780 unfairness towards white people and that it's it they're they're just all these mean demons out

01:10:32.180 there and they're being mean to us and this is what we need to focus on endlessly and i think that

01:10:39.360 that kind of thing can be somewhat motivating but i actually don't that's never really been what i've

01:10:45.760 been about and i think it's actually kind of not motivating at some level i mean nationalist of a

01:10:53.700 previous era that it wasn't so much i mean it was to some degree but it wasn't all all about

01:10:59.620 oh we've been treated unfairly and we have rights and whatever it was about we are a people we're going

01:11:06.120 to create ourselves of a people and we have a special mission on this earth to do good and

01:11:13.520 i i don't know i i find these types of people who again claim to be anti-republican and very critical

01:11:20.820 of the conservative movement but they end up supporting them avidly and they will attack anyone

01:11:25.880 who is against them so they are effectively republicans i mean when you you can claim that you're you don't

01:11:33.680 like mitch mcconnell but or i'm a dissident or whatever but when you when you're attacking any

01:11:39.920 whatever you're a dissident republican it's an absurd formulation of all time but when you

01:11:46.700 will ultimately support them at the end of the day and attack anyone who questions them

01:11:52.660 you are a republican you know like you claim you're not a christian but if you go to church every sunday and

01:11:59.720 you know take the eucharist and pray every night like you're a christian in fact like i don't i don't

01:12:05.820 see that it's a kind of this distinction without a difference like i'm not a drug user i just use

01:12:11.660 whatever it's like what they have this weird self can they have this will the dissident right as i

01:12:19.080 call themselves have this weird self-conception where you know i'm i'm i'm a you know a serious

01:12:24.140 political dissident by the way i'm gonna you have to vote for republicans in every election right

01:12:29.180 make sure the concern i don't like nation conservatism but like make sure you vote for

01:12:34.360 it every single election and you know these people these people for 50 years i mean it's it's three

01:12:40.820 generations now all the way since the 1970s have been coupled to mainstream conservatism in this you

01:12:47.380 know futile rounds of backlash politics which has gone on for 50 years i've been involved for 20 years

01:12:52.740 and in that in that span in 20 years all it has been is endless rounds of backlash politics

01:12:58.780 and then ultimately at the end of the day you know turning out for republicans and and turning out for

01:13:05.660 conservatives and they had this self-conception where all the all the normies are conservatives

01:13:10.460 and we just need to blend in with them and appeal to them and it's gotten us absolutely nowhere i mean

01:13:19.220 for four years we had trump i mean what was trump for four years he was i mean think think of think of

01:13:25.100 it as a gigantic lightning rod on top of the white house with like him as a hot air balloon circling

01:13:31.020 in the white house and just like constant light you know constant nothing but four years of lightning

01:13:36.340 strikes because you know he's perceived by half the country as a he's perceived as a fascist

01:13:42.220 and nazi a white supremacist a racist so we so it's like you know like in the endless thunderstorm

01:13:48.660 of lightning strikes with we're absorbing all the costs of having a guy in there who's perceived as a

01:13:54.500 white supremacist and meanwhile he's like you know delivering paul ryan's agenda we have no benefits for

01:14:01.340 this and so like as i pointed out in my stream reply to not no white guilt like actually you know

01:14:07.400 actually what happened is that we increased white guilt right we have a political political correctness

01:14:12.600 and social justice warriors mutated into a wokeness and it just spiraled out of control it may it

01:14:20.600 didn't solve the problem which is our political marginalization and it made anti-whiteness more

01:14:26.960 widespread and extreme than it had been four years ago right so literally a little literally it was a

01:14:32.840 huge own goal and like there's no you know we can i have some nuanced disagreements with what you just

01:14:41.300 said but i don't disagree with you fundamentally in the sense that by any measure you know anti-whiteness

01:14:48.860 if we want to talk about it that like it like that has increased by any measure like it is in in fact

01:14:54.780 more explicit now and you can find people more people who aren't just saying oh i want fairness

01:15:01.040 or whatever no they they want an end to white supremacy they they want to end this this has

01:15:06.300 increased the levels of even things that aren't exactly racial but are kind of adjacent to that like

01:15:12.600 the trannyism and and so on this is all just blown up over the past four to five years and to to

01:15:22.500 ways that are unimaginable to like in 2013 did you really think that we would be that president

01:15:28.920 presidential candidates would be applauding seven-year-old transgendered children i mean

01:15:34.920 that is so bizarre and you remember when here we are do you remember when antify used to be like the

01:15:42.920 six guys outside of the conference oh yeah or mpi they would they would they would shoot cheese whiz at

01:15:50.600 us or whatever it was just some stupid thing that we just laughed at no one cared no one was afraid

01:15:55.300 of them the trump era was the best thing that ever happened so yeah by far the best thing that ever

01:16:01.220 happened to our enemies and it was he was crippling he was crippling for us and um i mean like we're

01:16:10.240 going to do a show tomorrow on like what the plan was we're going to like talk about um what the plan

01:16:15.540 we're going to reveal what the plan was all along at the end of four years wait to learn

01:16:21.420 okay yeah tomorrow tomorrow evening we're gonna um we're gonna reveal what the plan was but um yeah so

01:16:30.500 uh you know like like if you really wanted to read one thing that occurs to me is if you wanted to make

01:16:38.100 white identity more acceptable and you wanted to redistribute i'm sorry if you wanted to make white

01:16:44.700 identity more acceptable why not like back the redistributionist right exactly that would um that

01:16:50.620 would uh detoxify shake up things and detoxify things because you know who hates you belong who

01:16:59.300 hates you know a guy who wants to you know get rid of the billionaires and um you know increase your

01:17:06.400 income nobody or i mean you could say i'm a racist i guess i'm a mild one i want to give you two thousand

01:17:14.140 topics anyway that's where i think we should we should we should head instead of backing the

01:17:18.900 conservatives you know back to redistributionist well yeah i i agree with you and i as i said

01:17:24.380 whether we want to do that or not is actually irrelevant because i i think this cat is out of

01:17:29.900 the bag and it's on the loose and it's this is where politics is actually it's going to clearly be

01:17:35.980 and and i actually you know at the risk of sounding like a libertarian or conservative

01:17:39.740 i think i think it actually does spell a a pretty precipitous decline for the american experiment to

01:17:47.540 be honest when we actually get to this point i don't think that is actually telling that the

01:17:53.880 american empire is expanding and american power is growing i do think it is actually kind of a later

01:17:58.960 stage of it yeah do you think it's a conversation for another time but i i do hold this and i also

01:18:05.420 believe that we're i was mentioning this to some supporters and again i i hate that i'm now like

01:18:11.580 almost sounding like a libertarian but the thing about money creation is that if you are just creating

01:18:21.280 funny money in the ether granted it is totally unfair people who are well connected to the financial

01:18:29.720 system are getting first dibs they're using it in their own ways they're leveraging it they're

01:18:34.540 investing with it whatever they're they're benefiting from this massive inflationary expansion

01:18:39.900 that being said because it doesn't trickle down in fact we don't see runaway inflation so

01:18:48.540 we don't see like the price of cars just dramatically increasing or grocery store prices increasing now we do

01:18:57.340 see inflation on the street level to a degree but it's manageable and it's not just like debilitating

01:19:04.940 if i've been hearing that for 20 years i well look well in in the sense of inflation fears like

01:19:12.920 conservatives talking about inflation fears okay fair enough that's why i pre-apologize

01:19:18.260 for sounding like a libertarian but this is what i will say is that the the cat is out of the bag

01:19:26.280 in terms of checks going into the mail like people want that now they're not going to put up with

01:19:32.900 anything they're not going to put up with another 2009 style bailing out the banks and whatever that

01:19:38.660 is not happening anymore people want money and they're hurting and the whole middle class dream

01:19:43.980 is evaporating when you actually start putting checks in the mail and the rubber hits the road and

01:19:51.300 that money all of that credit that gets created starts being used on everyday items it will create

01:19:58.520 inflation and so i think it's actually now becoming a bit of a concern whereas previously it was a

01:20:06.360 phantasm that's my argument and you can you can disagree with it because i agree with you that like

01:20:12.860 you know lou rockwell has been saying this since uh 25 20 years we still support the checks and

01:20:22.440 stuff whether or not i do like whether or not it causes the inflation like that seems like a win-win

01:20:27.520 for us i agree yeah i mean we're 27 trillion dollars in that and i think i've in my lifetime i've seen

01:20:34.560 1200 of it seems like it seems like it seems like it's a seems like you know i don't know my little

01:20:42.180 1200 is what really got us 27 yeah so so we cover everything my headphones ran out of power there

01:20:51.580 well let's do this do you have any wild prediction for 2021 um i think things are kind of up in the air

01:21:00.640 um kind of in a mood where i want to hang back and okay do you think this decoupling decoupling of

01:21:07.880 trump from the gop establishment mitch mcconnell types the divorce that's been four or five years

01:21:13.980 coming how does that how does that play out going forward in 2021 and 2022 does trump just exist to

01:21:22.060 make life hell for um republican establishment i don't think trump will go away i mean we have all

01:21:28.960 these other presidents that kind of walk off the scene i mean george w bush kind of vanished

01:21:34.220 at the end of his failed second term uh lbj went back to his ranch and died and um you know

01:21:42.740 presidents just kind of fade i just can't see trump fading and whether it's trump tv whether it's a just

01:21:51.160 never ending the campaign and running in 2024 i don't think he will fade i would also stand by my

01:21:58.200 statement that that maga as this kind of right-wing populist conservative mostly white implicitly white

01:22:08.440 thing i think that exists that existed before trump and it will exist even after trump um so i don't

01:22:15.680 think trump is going away and um i don't know i i could say this this is kind of how i'm feeling right

01:22:22.780 now and i would i'd have to think about this a little bit more uh i don't think trump's going

01:22:28.620 away and i think he'll just run again i do too i in fact i think we might be seeing like the early i

01:22:36.100 mean earliest you know indications that you know trump is might learn something from his loss with

01:22:42.540 coming out i mean he vetoed the the defense bill over confederate monuments and

01:22:47.060 uh tech censorship and he came out for the two thousand dollar checks is do you think it might

01:22:53.420 have like trickled up to him that i mean you know by backing off from this populism stuff was the

01:22:58.440 reason why it lost well also populism's easy when you're not in power so you know you can say all

01:23:05.820 sorts of bullcrap when you think you think 26 donors might become 20 20 yeah like when when the donors

01:23:13.620 aren't threatening to like put a dead prostitute in the trunk of your car you can just say all sorts

01:23:19.580 of stuff so i i i don't i can see him kind of returning to 2016 rhetoric um i don't know if i

01:23:28.580 were to guess though i i think he would kind of continue to to double down in into what maga has

01:23:35.840 become which is a you know kind of lunatic conspiracy theorist crank and i i think that's

01:23:44.340 kind of where he'll have his home because he will not be accepted remember george w bush even though

01:23:51.740 like liberals and i can you can remember this and i can remember this well liberals were like ah you

01:23:56.980 know that we should put this guy in trial and he's a war criminal and should be in jail and all this kind

01:24:02.720 stuff um they ultimately got around to sell you know to celebrating him and ellen you know what

01:24:10.260 did they go to a dallas cowboys game together or something like this you know it's it's like they

01:24:14.020 they kind of work their ways into treating them as elder statesmen i i i think that is just simply

01:24:21.400 impossible with trump and i think trump is willing to leave the scene so doing something i mean there

01:24:28.640 was a rumor i just saw of like the apprentice coming back i mean he's gonna something to remain

01:24:36.740 political until yeah and i can really see him launching a campaign like in early 2021 you think

01:24:46.420 he gets banned from twitter next month absolutely that's that's that's that's one that you know we

01:24:52.420 that's a pretty easy call uh you know but twitter it's to be a little bit contrarian here i mean

01:25:00.800 twitter the the twitter exists because of like mind share and engagement and maybe if they ban them

01:25:12.100 they should be careful what they wish for because maybe you're shadow banned yeah because you need

01:25:20.180 the freak out like these these these so-called technology companies aren't actually that

01:25:26.040 technological like they you know you need a lot of people maintaining these big platforms and what

01:25:31.040 have you it's not like these people are in like creating massive breakthroughs like on a daily basis

01:25:37.340 like you know they're they're splitting the atom it's like no you've allowed you've created a new

01:25:42.880 retweet function or like you've expanded from 140 to 280 characters or whatever like they're they're just

01:25:49.340 they're not really a technological company i mean it's it's much like like uber is like not a

01:25:55.540 technology company like uber just is a cab company a gypsy cab company that uses existing automobiles and

01:26:04.480 your iphone which is existing and server space which is existing and just kind of puts this cocktail

01:26:10.720 together and and serves it to you it's these these tech companies aren't making innovations they they live on

01:26:17.240 attention and the idea of them just like banning trump or whatever i i don't i don't know i'm not as

01:26:25.340 positive as other people i i i think they might grasp that they need that outrage machine

01:26:30.940 he seems focused on mcconnell right now so they might keep him around to like stir up trouble in the

01:26:36.780 republican party yeah um yeah he might he might become an asset he might become an asset for them in

01:26:42.100 exile getting his revenge on mitch yeah um uh but i i i could see um i don't think he's gonna do the

01:26:50.600 apprentice i it's it's hard to take a step back and um i i would i would predict a pretty imminent

01:26:58.480 2024 thing he also sees these young up-and-comers who rode his wake into a degree of fame like holly and

01:27:08.860 cotton i mean he wants that for himself yeah yeah he'll he'll suffocate uh holly 2024

01:27:16.020 looks like that's what's gonna happen yeah yeah and the trump will remain a kind of like image of

01:27:25.460 what populism could be or something and um which is kind of why we supported him in 2016 we didn't

01:27:33.960 quite know what he wanted to do and he would he would be contradictory but it was just this taking

01:27:39.980 a flyer on something that had so much potential and hope and and maybe a little chaos like he was

01:27:45.780 going to just shake everything up and you know you couldn't predict him and you know couldn't control

01:27:52.360 him and um i think he can still kind of exist like that for people who aren't very serious you know

01:28:00.500 he can kind of still exist like that for a lot of the old white yeah yeah so uh sonovich didn't

01:28:08.120 retire as he promised so we'll see we'll see what happens and ali didn't die oh yeah these all

01:28:15.400 people are just liars like ali promised to die and he ali was did you know that ali was the ali was

01:28:23.940 the guy who was trying to steal the delegates for cruz back at the back at republican convention

01:28:28.880 are you serious i forgot about that uh our one of our friends uh told us that reminded us of that

01:28:36.320 on twitter not too long ago i made a note of that i was like really so he was the guy who was working

01:28:40.820 for you know uh cruz uh cruz to steal the delegates at the republican convention before he rebranded

01:28:49.120 before all the all the you know the cruz crowd like nick fuentes and all them rebranded as

01:28:54.620 trump's biggest supporters um so we'll see what they're always playing these little games

01:29:01.060 that don't don't really have any potential to work out but they're just nasty bunch of people

01:29:09.380 anything else anything else to cover i think we can put a bookmark in it yeah that's a long thing also

01:29:17.200 uh stay tuned tomorrow we're going to reveal the plan so do you do you stream somewhere you mentioned

01:29:23.540 you're going to reveal the plan oh it's going to it's going to be on on matt's stream we're going

01:29:27.660 to we're going to discuss the plan i'll i'll see i'll see i'll send it to you after the show okay well

01:29:32.580 i am very interested in learning what the plan was or is yeah yeah you yeah you it's very interesting

01:29:40.180 i mean i've always trusted it but i mean i've always trusted it yeah

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