In this episode, I sit down with my good friend and long-time colleague, Dr. Aaron Sorkin, to discuss his new book, "The End Times Prophecies: Who Will Win the Election? And How Will They Win It?"
00:09:09.880They just say it's God doing it and them, God working through people to carry this stuff out.
00:09:15.860But really, it's just people believing in the scriptures that supposedly speak for God.
00:09:20.100Yeah, no, I think it's, I think it is kind of remarkable.
00:09:24.340I mean, they are formidable in that way.
00:09:27.200I mean, we have to kind of give them credit for, you know, these sort of accomplishments to the extent that we can call them accomplishments
00:09:33.220and not, you know, terror and destruction, which is part of it, of course.
00:09:38.820In any case, Dahir, you wanted to jump in?
00:09:43.380Yeah, I just wanted to ask Adam a quick question, if you don't mind.
00:13:14.440You can see, we have the original scriptures, so you can see, like, the foundations of the plan and the basics there.
00:13:21.500But of course, by the time, religious people are always reinterpreting these scriptures to fit their current situation and their personal circumstances.
00:13:32.840And, you know, if a prophecy doesn't fulfill as they predicted or doesn't happen as they predicted, then they'll reinterpret it and say, well, it actually means this and that, you know, they'll change it.
00:16:08.100And I know that they correspond, like, they contact, like, they, I think another thing would be that the Muslims would go to war with Ar-Rom.
00:16:19.360Now, from my research, what I've looked into is that first, the Muslims would go to war with, like, as in, on the same side against a common enemy.
00:17:31.240But, yeah, eschatology-wise, the Muslims and the Eastern Romans, so the Byzantines, which don't really exist right now, will go to war with each other.
00:17:42.160As in, like, they will join each other as, like, not comrades, but allies, to a degree.
00:17:47.560And then afterwards, they'll go to war against each other.
00:18:37.100They will turn against each other because a Christian would put up the cross and say, this is why, like, basically, this cross, like, saved us from this, right?
00:18:57.760But I would say, yeah, it does align with it to a degree.
00:19:02.120The only thing I would say watch out for is the ones that you may think, like, as in the Jews that interpret their religion in any kind of way.
00:19:11.620Because it's almost like grifter, like, they're like the top-level grifters.
00:19:16.940And I don't only mean the Jews that do it.
00:19:18.840I mean the Muslims that do it and the Christians.
00:19:21.640Because really, this is an intimate thing.
00:19:25.180It's something that you shouldn't really be saying things out of place with no evidence or very generic.
00:19:34.360Rick, you said the Kabbalah is the exact same thing.
00:19:37.180Would you say that, is there any discrepancies between what I said and what's inside the Kabbalah?
00:19:46.940Rome and the Muslims will team up against Israel but then turn against each other.
00:19:55.140It could be fighting over the details of Jesus that they turn against each other.
00:19:58.660It could be that, say, the Dome of the Rock, excuse me, hold on.
00:20:07.700Sorry, I did like a three-hour stream earlier and I'm losing my voice a little bit.
00:20:11.300I also wonder if, like, something happens to the Dome of the Rock and Christians are blamed.
00:20:16.420That could cause a huge rift between them as well.
00:20:18.500But I just don't think it's a coincidence at all that the two spinoff religions from Judaism match up with the belief of Esau is Christianity and Ishmael is Islam.
00:20:32.860And there's the theme that they're both the firstborn son.
00:20:36.520And in Judaism, the firstborn son, like Cain, is the evil one.
00:20:40.700Which is Ishmael? Is that what they believe?
00:21:07.220It's funny because a lot of scholars that I listen to would say that's the reason of rejection because a lot of people, it's like the prophets would come to them and they would not accept a prophet that's outside of their religion.
00:21:23.380So this is what I believe, honestly, and a Muslim belief would be that they know the prophet is the prophet and they have no real...
00:21:32.300They'll say he's violent, but you've read the Old Testament.
00:21:35.740A lot of prophets are all violent, right?
00:21:39.840Like Saul, like there'll be king prophets.
00:21:42.160So all of these things, they'll give us excuses, but one thing, another thing of eschatology is in the end of times, like which I think we're really at, like the end game.
00:21:53.220And I think it's going to get dramatic from now going forward, but one of those prophecies were the nations of the world would come together and kill Muslims.
00:22:06.480And the prophet said something that's actually kind of frightening, but I think you're really going to see this in like the next 20, 30 years.
00:22:58.400Well, so we take your point though, Dahir.
00:23:01.320I wanted to get back to this, the motif of the firstborn, which as Adam is pointing out, is a kind of the Gentile is identified as the firstborn in the case of Esau and Ishmael as well.
00:23:17.100And I would even say Adam is also indicated as a Gentile and he's also a firstborn.
00:23:24.540So this, that motif is a true and meaningful motif.
00:23:30.620And it is interesting though, that Ishmael, who is understood as, you know, the Muslims see him as their ancestor, that he is kicked out essentially.
00:23:41.560That in some ways he represents essentially that scapegoat who's kicked out into the desert, right?
00:23:48.000And there's even some suggestion that symbolically he's related to a lamb that, you know, Abraham slaughters in lieu of killing his second born, Isaac, right?
00:25:35.980But what I will say is, it just, it seems really clear to me that the fact that the Christians believe their own version of end times prophecy and the Muslims have their version, but they're all kind of similar together.
00:26:26.400But if the Jews are the originators of the story and the authors and the ones that have the most secrecy around, and, you know, esoteric, mystical interpretations of these things, you know, I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that they're the ones that are going to, that have the upper hand here and that are going to come up on top when it finally does all unfold.
00:26:51.300Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I mean, well, you know, I mean, it's not, you know, it's, I mean, on some level, there does seem to be a kind of degree of nihilism there, where, you know, you know, it's a kind of desire to bring about the end, regardless of who survives, right?
00:27:15.140Just imagine a world where no, where there wasn't a dominant religion that believed in end times prophecies and Armageddon's and huge, huge wars at the end and suffering and all these things.
00:27:25.920Like, you know, we don't have to have this, but because we do, it's like almost makes it inevitable that at some point believers are going to make it happen.
00:27:56.360Yes, so the motif or the Esau story, I mean, wasn't it set up so that Esau was supposed to be the chosen people and then Jacob stole his birth, right?
00:28:15.060Isn't that kind of self-defeating of the Jews?
00:28:19.420And aren't they, in a way, saying that Esau was the people of God?
00:29:13.000Well, there was a goat stew when they stole the blessing from Isaac.
00:29:18.020The mother, Rebecca, the mother of Isaac, I'm sorry, of Esau and Jacob.
00:29:24.580She teamed up with Jacob to use trickery to trick Isaac into giving Jacob the birthright.
00:29:31.400So but they feel justified in this because Esau also she had a prophecy when they were both in her womb that one of there'll be two great nations, but one of them will be like idolatrous.
00:29:44.320And they started believing that Rome represented Esau definitely at the time when the temple was destroyed because the Edomites are associated with the destruction of the temple.
00:29:58.700The first temple they they were participated and celebrated it.
00:30:02.320And so also because they saw them as the firstborn kingdom, the kingdom that came before Judaism because they were the big empire.
00:30:13.300So they were the firstborn, then they needed to take their birthright by taking their gods and by Jacob dressing up as the goat pretending to be Esau.
00:30:23.720It's almost like the Jews dressing up and pretending to be the Messiah and the God of the Gentiles is what I think that allegorically represents.
00:30:33.780So does that did that quite answer your question?
00:30:36.480Yeah, that's just, you know, something that I've always found weird about it.
00:30:41.640It's almost as if, like, the Jews aren't supposed to be the chosen people.
00:30:46.680And it's almost as if the Europeans are actually God's chosen people and the Jews had to steal it.
00:30:54.160If I was Jewish, I would interpret that as fairly demoralizing on on a face value level.
00:30:59.780Well, so I think it points to this sort of subversive nature of Judaism generally.
00:31:06.840Right. So if we understand Esau, Esau could represent a founder group of a civilization, for example.
00:31:14.240So Arians and then Jews could be represent a second born, you know, arriving second, essentially.
00:31:20.780Right. I mean, that's one way that you could read it.
00:31:22.600But in ancient civilizations generally, the first born was, you know, he was the one who inherited the wealth.
00:31:30.420I mean, that's not particular or specific to Judaism.
00:31:34.080That was just sort of that's the kind of custom in the ancient world.
00:31:38.940And, you know, it's the custom in traditional societies.
00:31:51.560So it's so there's a kind of larger metaphor there.
00:31:54.740You could argue where the Jew is a sort of second arriving or second born in a civilization.
00:31:59.900And his goal is to kind of usurp the Aryan, usurp the birthrights of the Aryan represented by Esau.
00:32:05.900Exactly. And it was that maybe it was the Greeks or the Romans, but the Gentiles had the kingdom and had the power that they were.
00:32:13.060And there's also beliefs that before Adam and Eve, in the primordial worlds, there were seven kingdoms in the primordial world and that they they were all kings of Edom also.
00:32:25.560So it very likely could be right, Mark, about that.
00:32:29.640And I did not know about the seven kingdoms.
00:32:34.060Here's straight from Times of Israel, a rabbi's article.
00:32:36.680It says, even though Edom at the simple level is another name for Esau, at the deeper level, Edom is the primordial tohu or chaos, according to Kabbalah, and represents the antithesis that precedes Israel.
00:32:51.700I forgot where it was, but some some lecture from some academic was talking about how they started to identify Rome with Esau.
00:33:00.600And the fact that they they definitely identified it with before it became Christian is like a giveaway that they targeted Rome with Christianity.
00:33:10.980It's not a coincidence that Esau matches up with Christianity so closely.
00:33:17.840Yeah, no. So, yeah. And I think that what I would say about Esau, too, is that it does it does appear that he you say that he traded his birthright for goat stew.
00:33:33.060So I've actually never I red lentil, red lentil.
00:33:36.780Yeah. Yeah. In the Hebrew, though, actually, the name for the stew itself is Edom.
00:33:42.660Right. So he's sort of eating himself, as it were.
00:34:02.400So there's no kind of confusion as to that Edom equals Esau.
00:34:06.680And then Esau becomes sort of the founder, essentially, of Edom.
00:34:12.100Right. So he becomes the tribe that is also Edom, essentially.
00:34:16.240And actually, I've got a video of Kabbalah rabbi talking about that they have a lore.
00:34:23.300I doubt it's true, but they believe that Romulus and Remus and Romulus, that they were nurtured and suckled by and I'm forgetting exactly what it was.
00:34:58.120And they think they try to take credit for that as if they nurtured Esau as Christianity in Rome, which they did.
00:35:05.260I mean, they targeted Rome with it, even like Jesus is, you know, the star, the birth narrative where there's the star over him.
00:35:12.540That's reference to the Numbers 24 star prophecy, where it literally says the star will rise out of Jacob and it will conquer Edom.
00:35:22.180Yeah, no, I mean, it's it's it's a very interesting mythology, of course.
00:35:30.340But, you know, I think that there is some there is some evidence, though, that points to the idea that even Esau may represent a kind of sacrificial goat because his name.
00:36:59.400And it was explicitly called the donkey in Genesis.
00:37:02.480So there's Talmudic verses about the donkey and the ox, which are definitely references to Christianity and Islam as well.
00:37:10.880And the Talmud was completed before Islam came about.
00:37:15.020And they they what are the chances that they religion, an Abrahamic religion pops up and they all believe that they're the descendants of Ishmael, perfectly in line with what the Jews believed about the Arabs.
00:37:42.380No, it's I mean, it is a remarkable thing.
00:37:44.600So it's it's one of the reasons that obviously we have to reject these religions because they are nihilistic, essentially.
00:37:52.160And ideally, we have our own, you know, just if for not for no other reason, you know, one reason that you would have a religion is so that you could.
00:38:01.640You know, the the Latin word for religion, religion is often interpreted as meaning to hold together.
00:38:09.280Right. And that means holding together with the gods, but also holding together the community.
00:38:15.140So it becomes a way of cohering people.
00:38:17.520And in this becomes especially valuable when you're dealing with basically antagonistic groups that are religiously cohered themselves.
00:38:27.900Right. And that are operating in a cohesive manner because they are religions.
00:38:33.160Right. So you can see and we have to assume to some extent that some religions may have developed in a kind of reactive manner as as a protective measure against other antagonistic religions.
00:38:46.120That we're seeking basically to dominate other groups through religion by, you know, metaphorically making them livestock animals, whether donkeys or goats or whatever it is, maybe.
00:38:58.240So that that becomes ultimately kind of purpose of religion.
00:39:01.180It either has a protective purpose or it has to sort of antagonistic exploitative purpose.
00:39:07.720And how convenient that the Christians proudly consider themselves sheep in a flock following their Jewish shepherd, also in line with how the rabbis view us.
00:39:20.660Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it's it's 100 percent a kind of, you know, one.
00:39:27.520I don't know if you're familiar with this story, but, you know, stop me or interject if if you're also familiar with it.
00:39:34.420I'm sure it sounds like you know a lot about the Hebrew Bible, so you probably are familiar with it.
00:39:38.500But you're familiar, of course, with the story of Joseph being sold to the merchants.
00:40:57.000In any case, this I argue that this Joseph character is actually a Gentile character.
00:41:00.880And in the way that Esau is a Gentile character, he's descended of Rachel and he's one of two sons from Rachel, including Benjamin.
00:41:09.620The rest of the kids are from Leah, including Judah, who's the fourth born of Leah.
00:41:15.280But in any case, there's this crazy story in Genesis where basically Judah or they they get pissed off at Joseph because Joseph dreams that he's greater.
00:41:28.420He has a dream where all the tribes are like bowing down to him.
00:41:31.760And I and I argue that this is, you know, ultimately, Jews are on some level they acknowledge, of course, that Yahweh is a jealous God.
00:41:39.480So on some level, there's a kind of irritation or jealousy, like their hatred of Gentiles, for example, ultimately comes from a kind of jealousy.
00:41:48.940And, you know, I'm not saying that is a way of like just unnecessarily dunking on them or whatever, though.
00:41:55.720I'm sure, Adam, you wouldn't necessarily be upset with that.
00:41:58.640They love to say that we're jealous of them.
00:42:05.000But but, yeah, ultimately, yeah, we at the root of this whole struggle is there is a kind of jealousy of us.
00:42:11.680And but especially you might say is a firstborn, like a founding race that they come into later and then they attempt to steal the birthright.
00:42:22.200Joseph was the firstborn of like the good mother.
00:42:49.700And Jacob is like getting basically cucked by the the Aryan idols or whatever.
00:42:54.920And and he actually it seems like he's actually being cucked by Reuben, who is, I would argue, is probably the father of both Benjamin and Joseph.
00:43:03.700And Reuben is chastised by Jacob during his deathbed blessing, where Jacob basically says, you know, you're cursed, Reuben, because you got in my marriage bed.
00:43:17.440Right. Now, ostensibly, he's referring to another one of his wife's the law, I think is the name her name, who is actually mentioned in Genesis.
00:43:26.200But I argue through these other clues.
00:44:33.480In fact, that becomes a kind of origin or becomes a kind of important source of that symbol.
00:44:40.460There's probably earlier, you know, Sumerian or Mesopotamian references to that number 12 and that sort of thing.
00:44:47.160But that becomes an important source for like, you know, the 12 apostles, the 12 spies that go into Israel, the 12 tribes themselves.
00:44:55.540You know, you know, the number 12 basically becomes a reference to these, the 12 tribes of Israel, essentially.
00:45:00.660The 12, you know, even if it affects Arthurian legend, which obviously has this Christian dimension where there's 12 knights, the round table and this sort of thing.
00:45:21.040And there I think Jacob and, you know, the parents are represented by the sun and the moon and all the stars and the sun and the moon bow down to Joseph, right?
00:45:35.080So the other, the other brothers, and he doesn't have, I don't think he has a little brother.
00:45:42.720I don't think Benjamin is born at this point.
00:45:44.440So he, he has, it's all Leah's kids, right?
00:49:03.720And this is their brother, their half brother, who's the son of their father or whatever.
00:49:08.020So it's not ostensibly the son of their father, as far as anyone knows, it's not the nicest thing to do.
00:49:12.760You're going to sell your brother to fucking merchants or whatever.
00:49:15.240So, but Judah comes up with this idea and this myth is influential in the myth of Judas selling, uh, or, um, Judas, uh, basically betraying, uh, Jesus for, um, 30 silver, right?
00:49:32.540Because Judas, the name Judas means Judah, right?
00:50:11.480I, maybe I misspoke, but that's correct.
00:50:13.440Uh, but, uh, so they sell him for 20, uh, silver, but, but, but you understand what I'm saying is that, uh, Judas's betrayal becomes a reference ultimately to this, uh, uh, Hebrew Bible story.
00:50:28.020So which kind of reveals that Christianity itself is parables or invented stories that are referencing, uh, the Hebrew Bible.
00:50:35.360In any case, they sell, um, they sell him and to, uh, come up with a story, you know, so, uh, Jacob, of course, is going to be, is one, is going to want to know where his son is.
00:50:49.820Um, so, uh, to, uh, to kind of cover up what has occurred that they've sold him, they fake his death effectively.
00:51:10.180And then he, and then they sell him to, uh, Egypt, but, but the reason the parable is interesting is because, and I think it really relates to the name of the city, Dothan, or the, the, the place name where it's their religion.
00:51:24.000So basically it's saying their religion is us humiliating them and punishing them and torturing them and then selling them as a, basically a scapegoat, making them a scapegoat essentially.
00:51:37.800And so I, I, I would argue that that is sort of the, uh, what's being demonstrated in that parable is that the religion is basically, and I think it, it fits with our understanding of Christianity.
00:51:49.980It's all about humbling the Gentile and making the Gentile, uh, submissive essentially, uh, but to bow, uh, before Jewish God as basically a humbled, uh, you know, race that they can then dominate essentially.
00:52:05.860And then from there, um, basically, you know, what, what, what, what occurs from there is that Joseph goes to Egypt and he basically, he, it's a kind of a story of, uh, Stockholm's syndrome essentially, because he ends up serving Judah and Israelite, in the Israelites in Egypt.
00:52:23.760Uh, despite their abuse and treatment of him, and despite the fact that they sold him as a slave, he, they, there's this whole kind of melodramatic reunion that they have where they're basically kind of Judah is kind of manipulating him in a psychological fashion.
00:52:39.820And they ultimately, and they ultimately, in a kind of, they have a, ultimately a kind of tearful reunion.
00:52:45.760And then from that point on, Joseph basically serves them, sets them up in Goshen, uh, you know, makes, gives them a great life in Egypt while the rest of Egypt is suffering famine.
00:52:57.120And, and, and Joseph, uh, working with the, um, the Pharaoh, uh, you know, basically enslaves Egypt, you know what I'm saying?
00:53:05.960So he, like that psychological abuse essentially conditioned him.
00:53:10.580That's the argument that I make that analysis of those parables basically reveals that a kind of religious psychological abuse becomes a way of conditioning Gentiles to be servile, uh, to Jews and to servile to the interests of not only, uh, the Israelites, but in particular Judah, who is a kind of, who is the kind of main player in these parables, um, aside from Joseph.
00:53:36.940But yeah, so I just thought that I would, I would relay that to the group, um, you know, and I do think that, I mean, I do think that that's basically what's going on.
00:53:46.420It's a kind of religion represents a kind of psychological, psychological abuse.
00:53:51.000Christianity represents a kind of psychological abuse where we are, um, you know, we understand ourselves esoterically to be inferior to a group of people that can produce gods.
00:54:04.280Essentially, Jesus is a Jew and he's born of the Jewish race, uh, and we worship a member of their race.
00:54:13.140I mean, it's rather like, you know, this is something I say in the book, it's rather like Cortez being worshiped as like some returning pagan God among the Aztecs or something.
00:54:23.040You know what I mean? We're, you know, Christians are essentially implicitly looking at Jews as gods.
00:54:31.180That's the sort of mythos that they're given.
00:54:34.180And it's a very humbling mythos, essentially, uh, that gives them a kind of inferiority complex.
00:54:40.600And it's by design essentially so that they are passive when it, when it comes to Jews and Jewish interests and, you know, on a sort of deep subliminal and psychological level, the religion is developed to dominate us and pacify us.
00:54:55.700I mean, probably you agree generally with what I'm saying, but, uh, if you wanted to make additional comments, please do.
00:55:02.820Yeah, I got some stuff that you'll probably find interesting about this topic.
00:55:08.160Um, definitely the parallels of Joseph and Jesus are, are numerous.
00:56:14.900And then this is what the Talmudic secret is, or maybe it's the Cabal.
00:56:20.720I'm not sure, um, that Jacob steals Esau's coat.
00:56:27.460When he puts on the goat skins, he says, oh, you smell like Esau.
00:56:30.920He's also putting on that coat that he took from Nimrod.
00:56:34.020And then people speculate, is that the coat that Jacob that took from Esau, he took it from Esau and hid it.
00:56:41.800And then did he give that to Joseph, identifying Joseph as Esau?
00:56:46.840So also when, so yeah, you're totally right.
00:56:53.360Joseph is, all his brothers are jealous of him, that he's, he's, uh, has the dream that he's going to rule over them.
00:56:59.740So his brother, Judah, Judah, who represents the Jews, and later they, they take Judas from, he sells, sells him for the silver, sold for silver.
00:57:11.420And he goes into a pit, just like Jesus is kind of goes down into hell when he dies, right?
00:57:17.140And then comes out and then goes and is sold into Egypt.
00:57:20.120But then in Egypt, here's another, um, interesting tidbit.
00:57:25.720There's a story that the angel Gabriel teaches Joseph when he's in Egypt, the 70 languages of the world.
00:57:34.320And the 70 languages represent the 70 nations.
00:57:38.040So this is Jesus going to the 70 nations and speaking their languages so he can convert them to the God of Israel, right?
00:57:46.320So he's Joseph is, uh, raised up because his power of a prophecy and he becomes the viceroy, the power behind the throne.
00:57:56.180He even gets the signet ring from the Pharaoh supposedly, and then works and then enslaves the Egyptians by storing the grain for the famine.
00:58:07.300And then, and then he works to the benefit of his brothers who the brothers come and visit him, but they do not recognize him.
00:58:16.320So another theme of the Jews not recognizing that their brother, the ruler of the Gentile empire is actually their brother because he's in Egyptian clothing.
00:58:26.880They don't recognize him until the second visit, the second coming of the Messiah when the Jews will recognize him.
00:58:34.160And, you know, in Adam, I think that one of my readings of that part of, uh, uh, Genesis is that basically they're fucking with him, right?
00:58:41.620So they're pretending not to recognize him because then they speak in Hebrew as if they, they think that he, because they're assuming that he's Egyptian and he doesn't know Hebrew ostensibly.
00:58:51.960But what they say when, when they're speaking in Hebrew is that like, gee, we really feel bad that we sold our fucking brother to like, you know, bet.
00:58:59.860You remember back in the day when we sold Joseph, why would they be talking about it then?
00:59:21.200And at this point, Joy, Joseph is so emotionally vulnerable because I mean, imagine a kid, you know, and I think he's 17 at the time, but he's abused by them.
00:59:56.940So he can give them, uh, tell them which shall befall them in the last days.
01:00:02.620And he says, Judah, uh, will basically rule over the brothers and we'll have his hand on the neck of thine enemies and the father's children.
01:00:14.720So the rest of the brothers will bow down before the, and it says the Joseph blessing.
01:00:23.300It says, Joseph is fruitful, even a fruitful bow by, well, who's, so Joseph is the branches that run over the wall.
01:00:32.160So this is another allusion to Jesus is the branch that goes over the wall to into the Gentile city and basically, uh, takes him over.
01:00:41.740Yeah, no, that's, that's, yeah, he's Joseph.
01:00:56.360It's that they base the Jesus story on this, this, uh, typology of this messianic Joseph figure, as well as, you know, Jesus is the, the, based on an amalgamation of like the new Moses.
01:01:39.740It's, um, I mean, but I think that part of it, and I think we have to kind of hand it to him, uh, you know, even if we grit our teeth while doing it.
01:01:47.060But they, one of the reasons that I think it's effective is because it is so kind of interwoven and symbolic and sophisticated on a symbolic level, uh, that it becomes mysterious, right?
01:01:59.980It becomes mysterious to Gentiles who are like, oh, well, this is like very intricate and sophisticated and symbolic and mysterious.
01:02:07.960And therefore, I'm sorry, I know, please, uh, Plato said something about this.
01:02:14.020So Plato wanted to get rid of the myth makers because the power of the myth reality doesn't matter.
01:02:21.100So the myth makers have an incredible power.
01:02:23.320He did believe though, in the noble, uh, the noble lie that they have to have a foundational myth that most people believe in literary.
01:02:30.960But, but, um, you know, the initiates, the, the social engineers know that it's not real and what it actually, you know, allegorically means and stuff.
01:02:42.020But it's just interesting that the power of the myth, it's the myth that it's taken over the world.
01:02:47.880So, yeah, you do have, you do have real quick, Adam, uh, Plato wanted to get rid of the myth, myth makers, and he attacked art because he, uh, feared the competition.
01:02:58.660You know, like he himself is an artist and he himself is a massive myth maker that I, I think might very well have influenced even the, um, production of the, um, the Pentateuch.
01:03:18.540I mean, that, that's a bit speculative and a bit, um, a pretty radical claim, but there's un, no question whatsoever that he influenced the development of Christianity and Paul and et cetera.
01:03:31.540So he was kind of the first Christian, and this is why he's attacking all these myth makers because he's like, you know, uh, while, while thinking, ah, you know, I can, I can do this too.
01:03:41.440Well, that's what, that's what the Jews did with Christianity, that they wanted to get rid of all the, uh, myths of all the other nations and then impose on them their myths that are worshiping a Jew as the son of God.