Raging Dissident Podcast - HOUSE ARREST e25

00:00:00.000 My name is Devon Larratt. I live in Ottawa, Canada. I'm 40 years old. I pull into a 225 pound class. I've always loved fighting. I've always been drawn to it since I was a kid. In 2001 I came to Canadian Special Forces. I did it really on a whim. Just walking by the recruiting office and walked in.

00:00:24.000 I thought that the best contribution I could make was to fight for civilization. He's done seven tours in Afghanistan. Big day ahead of me. I need to look my best. Sometimes when you're faced with your own mortality you get a little bit better at living the rest of your life. Skydiving for me is a release. Love that letting go of the plane sensation. The instant when I'm even starting to think about letting go of that plane I have to get rid of all my fear.

00:00:54.000 That is a beautiful thing. To be able to free yourself of that entrapment. The joy that you can feel in flying through the air. The adrenaline falling through the sky. It's an amazing feeling.

00:01:05.680 This type of training improves my mindset for my arm wrestling. You're forced to keep as much of your mind active as possible. Your life depends on it. It forces me to think while I'm under stress.

00:01:17.320 There's a lot of stress. You think you might die. In arm wrestling you really have to make that switch. You have to turn into something else to be really good at the table. You have to let go of what you are in everyday life and you have to become something else.

00:01:32.380 And it's the same thing in skydiving. You have to do something that you don't really want to do. But once you get there you can really let go of everything.

00:01:41.020 What a great day. Got no skydive.

00:01:43.860 I went on leave last year just to pursue arm wrestling fully. Every day I'm training for this moment.

00:01:50.300 Especially with this year off. He will literally train all day long.

00:01:54.480 I just blew through a dude's hand. To win at the WAL means you're a bad dude. It's the biggest pro league that there's ever been. To win it the first year. I'm a part of history. It's a big deal for me.

00:02:24.480 It's a big deal for me.

00:02:29.300 Here we go.

00:02:30.700 There we go. You're good.

00:02:33.600 I'm going to dub this over.

00:02:35.000 Hey, thanks for having me on here, Jeremy. I'm a big fan of your show. I got you on Instagram. And when you start going, I'm right there with you, man.

00:02:48.980 Thanks a lot, man. I appreciate that a lot. It's an honor and a privilege, like I said. And thanks for being here.

00:02:54.320 And I've been looking forward to it. Can't wait.

00:03:00.860 Turns out I think I've muted myself here. I'm going to have to fix that.

00:03:04.220 There we go. I think. Good. No.

00:03:08.580 Anyway, Devin Larratt, if you don't know, you should figure it out.

00:03:11.960 ArmBet.net, that's his baby.

00:03:13.440 At Devin Larratt on Instagram.

00:03:15.520 Veteran Special Forces Operator.

00:03:17.440 Yeah, I'm as far retired and a civilian as you can get now.

00:03:23.100 I mean, you're like, I've got this teacher now, you know, but.

00:03:28.420 My precious.

00:03:30.860 Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

00:03:33.860 I did 20 and I did 16 at the Hill.

00:03:37.740 So, I mean, there were some really good years and all good memories.

00:03:42.640 Yeah.

00:03:43.420 That's great, man.

00:03:44.320 I just realized my own audio was muted this whole time, but that's all right.

00:03:47.600 I'll fix it later.

00:03:49.120 I'm recording it, so he'll pick it up.

00:03:51.240 Oh.

00:03:51.940 Yeah, they can hear you.

00:03:52.840 I'm talking to myself.

00:03:53.740 Yeah, well, it's good. It's all right.

00:03:55.060 Yeah, anyway, yeah, I know. I appreciate it.

00:03:57.080 Yeah, I guess.

00:03:57.960 And it is what it is.

00:03:58.920 So, how's everything been going, man?

00:04:00.720 I was, we wallowed the, the, the, the destruction there.

00:04:05.480 Well, where was it?

00:04:06.060 In Dubai, where you, you have, you're now the, the, the, you're the king of arm wrestling now?

00:04:10.780 Is that how it works?

00:04:12.280 Well, I think that I kind of cleaned up North America again.

00:04:20.880 You know, I was, I was probably considered the guy from like 2008 to 2012, 13.

00:04:30.580 And then, you know, I had surgeries and I got skinny for a long time and yeah, yeah.

00:04:38.400 Like I just got back in May, what's called the, the legacy hammer.

00:04:44.560 It's supposed to be held by, you know, the best guy, but there's the destiny hammer, I'm sorry,

00:04:51.160 the legacy hammer, I don't think has really gotten to the top of the hill yet.

00:04:56.100 I really think I'm, I'm probably pretty good in North America, but I do believe that the

00:05:03.700 dude right now to beat is in Georgia.

00:05:06.100 He's this, he's this great, big Georgian monster, Levon Sagnashvili.

00:05:11.420 He's, he's barely human.

00:05:15.260 I love it.

00:05:15.920 I love the guy.

00:05:16.900 If, if you say he's barely human, that's disturbing.

00:05:19.720 I really get a kick out of the chirping going back and forth on the Instagram, the stories

00:05:24.840 and stuff, guys, you know, you guys tag each other.

00:05:27.240 And one of them, I laughed at pretty hard the other day.

00:05:29.560 It was, was that you doing the weird music, whatever, it was just this weird.

00:05:33.340 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:05:34.360 That was the, yeah, that was a kid from, I mean, the arm wrestling scene is growing.

00:05:39.200 It's, we've got a pretty good culture going right now.

00:05:42.260 And yeah, there was a kid in, in Russia who's super popular.

00:05:46.880 He's got like fucking like 6 million followers on, on TikTok.

00:05:52.800 And is that the school boy or is that somebody else?

00:05:55.440 No, this is, yeah.

00:05:56.920 You know, it's, it's funny.

00:05:57.880 School boy is super, super popular on, on YouTube, but there's, there's a whole, like

00:06:04.040 every single social media platform has like their superstars.

00:06:08.740 Yeah.

00:06:09.200 This, this, this kid from Russia has got like, he's got like 6 million followers on TikTok.

00:06:15.000 So.

00:06:15.500 Wow.

00:06:15.920 Yeah.

00:06:16.420 Yeah.

00:06:17.040 Yeah, man.

00:06:17.700 So yeah, he's this young phenom and he did this video and I just kind of copied it.

00:06:24.380 Yeah.

00:06:25.880 Take from, you know, copy who's doing really well and just try to do it better than that.

00:06:29.880 Right.

00:06:29.960 I was doing okay on TikTok for a while.

00:06:31.920 My, uh, Rocky, one of my followers does it, was managing it for me.

00:06:35.480 Went from nobody to 31 and a half thousand or something in about two months.

00:06:38.480 And in the last month it hasn't moved at all.

00:06:40.540 Suspicious.

00:06:41.120 I'm sure it's just a coincidence, but you know.

00:06:44.680 I was the way, man, got to play that algorithm.

00:06:47.440 Yeah.

00:06:47.760 It's the way it works here when you've got the wrong opinions and stuff.

00:06:51.060 Um, yeah, I mean, uh, geez, I don't even know where to, where to begin.

00:06:54.600 It's, uh, you've had a fascinating career as well.

00:06:56.680 Like, uh, I played the little intro there, your wife, you did seven tours.

00:06:59.580 So you did three and a half years of your life over there in that, uh, lovely.

00:07:03.720 Yeah.

00:07:04.300 Vacation spot.

00:07:04.900 I was a positive too, but I don't even really count that.

00:07:08.280 Like, uh, you know, um, you know, uh, yeah, it was, uh, and you know, you know, like not

00:07:15.520 all tours are the same.

00:07:16.680 Yeah.

00:07:17.000 Like some tours are pretty chill and then other tours are actually real.

00:07:21.880 Yeah.

00:07:22.260 But yeah.

00:07:24.160 Sometimes you eat ice cream and swim in pools and other times you live in holes in the ground

00:07:28.220 and try not to die on a regular base.

00:07:31.500 Well, I was basically always eating ice cream.

00:07:34.320 That part really changed for me.

00:07:36.660 You gotta stay huge.

00:07:38.480 Yeah.

00:07:38.740 You gotta stay, man.

00:07:39.820 That's the, that's the main thing about going overseas, right?

00:07:42.900 Free food all the time.

00:07:45.520 Weights.

00:07:46.240 Yeah.

00:07:47.240 Eat.

00:07:48.360 Yeah.

00:07:48.880 Yeah.

00:07:49.260 I got to kick out of the guys that did the teardown tour in Kabul in 2012 and they all

00:07:52.700 just, they all just got huge.

00:07:54.340 That's what they did.

00:07:55.580 They essentially all just went and lifted weights.

00:07:57.980 It was pretty funny to watch.

00:07:59.540 Yeah.

00:07:59.820 Come back.

00:08:00.320 These monsters.

00:08:00.880 You know, I do have, I do have like a little bit of guilt, you know, like, uh, being in

00:08:06.800 the unit that I was with, uh, we did get really, really well taken care of all the time.

00:08:14.780 You know, it was very consistent for us.

00:08:17.120 I mean, and, and, and we're very well aware that a lot of the dudes are out there living

00:08:23.000 in holes, eating rations for like, you know, the entire time.

00:08:27.820 And it's just like, man, that's a tough tour.

00:08:30.880 That is a tough tour, you know, like, yeah, there was no, you know, yeah, no, go ahead.

00:08:36.920 Yeah.

00:08:37.360 Like, even though, you know, we're doing, we're doing some, some tough stuff, at least

00:08:41.560 we're getting our laundry done.

00:08:43.340 We're getting amazing food.

00:08:45.980 And I do that any day compared to sitting in a trench and eating rations for six months.

00:08:54.940 It's definitely a different animal.

00:08:56.440 I just, I had a little bit of a taste of it.

00:08:57.980 I wasn't around too long.

00:08:58.820 I was in, I started, I hung around seesaw for a little bit on the operator course there

00:09:02.240 and then again, ended up, uh, had an issue, but I know what you mean.

00:09:06.720 I remember there was a time, um, on the course there, I just felt like such a dickhead.

00:09:10.360 We were sitting inside while all these, uh, GD guys that had hired, like just privates

00:09:14.600 and corporals from wherever they, this was down in the States and they're up cleaning

00:09:17.160 up our brass that we had been shooting all day.

00:09:19.540 And I'm in there literally eating pizza indoors with the heat on watching them from the window.

00:09:24.260 So like, I feel like, shouldn't we help them or, you know, it's kind of, I know what you mean.

00:09:28.920 It's kind of a, yeah, they didn't suffer.

00:09:33.440 They haven't suffered.

00:09:36.460 Go out and eat ice cream right in front of them.

00:09:39.060 Oh, it's terrible.

00:09:40.460 You have heard this ice cream.

00:09:43.180 Yeah.

00:09:43.920 Yeah.

00:09:44.160 Yeah.

00:09:44.520 That's right.

00:09:47.020 That's right.

00:09:47.460 It's just chocolate cakes and high fives.

00:09:49.560 There was a guy there.

00:09:50.840 Um, I think he was with you guys for a while.

00:09:52.420 He was one of the instructors on my court.

00:09:53.600 I don't know if he was what he did there, but that's, there was something he always said

00:09:56.340 that I found was hilarious.

00:09:57.240 He's like, you know, to be sarcastic, there's just chocolate cakes and high fives.

00:10:00.940 It's a piece.

00:10:01.420 It's easy.

00:10:01.840 It's awesome.

00:10:03.180 It's the opposite of that.

00:10:04.320 It's terrible.

00:10:05.480 Yeah.

00:10:06.700 Yeah.

00:10:08.240 Yeah.

00:10:08.600 It's a tough, they attempt to bring balance.

00:10:10.640 They attempt to bring balance to the universe.

00:10:13.360 Yes.

00:10:14.240 Easy task.

00:10:15.240 Not a, you know,

00:10:15.800 shooting low for sure.

00:10:19.240 Um, I guess I didn't,

00:10:20.540 how are things out?

00:10:22.260 Oh, go ahead.

00:10:23.340 No, I was going to ask about, uh, I didn't know this actually.

00:10:25.720 I didn't, uh, I was just reading earlier.

00:10:27.080 I guess you'd been, you're actually wounded on one of these deployments.

00:10:29.300 I didn't know that.

00:10:31.820 Yeah.

00:10:32.740 Yeah.

00:10:33.700 Um, there was, uh, one mission that was pretty rowdy.

00:10:38.620 Uh, I ended up getting, getting hit a couple of times, but, uh, in shrapnel, uh,

00:10:45.740 uh, and yeah, and I got one direct hit, but, uh,

00:10:50.460 seemed to slow you down much.

00:10:53.220 Yeah.

00:10:53.660 Well, I got lucky, you know, but, uh, yeah.

00:10:57.480 I mean, when you look back there, we're all lucky really.

00:11:03.300 Like, yeah, if we're still here, yeah, very lucky.

00:11:06.680 And that day I was extra, extra lucky because there was just a, it was just a total disaster.

00:11:19.580 Man, going, going in and doing a hit in the broad daylight never works for special forces.

00:11:26.700 Typically, I mean, that's typically a no go, but everybody's awake.

00:11:32.760 Everybody's got nothing to do.

00:11:33.980 And the signal is, Hey, everybody, the whole town comes out to see what's happening.

00:11:37.200 And yeah.

00:11:38.020 Yeah.

00:11:38.860 Not, not really favorable, but, you know, looking back, you know, those hard days are probably my favorite days to remember.

00:11:49.660 You know, it's where to learn from the host and, uh, you know, hopefully, hopefully somehow they make you a better person.

00:11:57.420 Yeah.

00:11:57.860 Well, you know, humility, I think too, because I, I, I noticed a lot of guys where they would have quite a, they had quite a, not an attitude or an ego, but it was, everything changed once it was like, Oh, this is real.

00:12:08.340 Like there's shit, there's bullets flying around now.

00:12:11.080 And it's like, okay, maybe, maybe I'm not such the bad-ass I thought I was.

00:12:15.040 I'm going to just take it easy a little bit, you know?

00:12:17.720 And I wanted to ask you about that, about, um, cause this is something I always wondered, like, um, cause you, I got, you've got seven deployments, obviously a shitload of experience.

00:12:24.800 Just that feeling that always, if I should really sit there and sit in it and think about it, you can kind of really bring it back in a way of like, uh, just what it feels like to like that, that the intensity of that, there's just no, I mean,

00:12:38.340 where like people are trying to fucking kill you.

00:12:41.700 And it's like, you could just turn a corner and then everything goes black.

00:12:45.580 That's it.

00:12:46.540 And, uh, you're not going to have, sometimes that's just what happens.

00:12:49.200 And it's, uh, I don't know if that gets easier to deal with or did you like, does it stay the same?

00:12:54.420 And does your, your ability to cope with that and manage that become stronger or is it, yeah, this just always sucks.

00:13:01.560 Uh, you know, I think it's probably different for a lot of guys, a lot of guys who go through it.

00:13:07.760 And then go back continuously.

00:13:10.400 I think that for those guys, it's a different answer and people are on a, people are on a spectrum.

00:13:17.640 I feel like me as a, as a person going into that, like when you talk about the bravery scale, okay.

00:13:25.900 I would say that in the unit where I was like at the Hill, like most, like most of those guys are just, they're so brave.

00:13:35.140 I honestly would have, would have assessed myself as being on the less than average bravery scale.

00:13:41.700 I swear, like we got, we got guys who are just so gung ho, who are just so like, yes, put me in first.

00:13:51.360 I'm first through the door.

00:13:52.800 I want in on every single hit.

00:13:54.420 Um, you know, I would have probably put myself as, as, as, uh, as below average on the bravery scale.

00:14:02.260 And I remember my first tour, like my first, like, and when I say tour, I mean like real tour, like tour where you're going out at night and you're, you're fighting.

00:14:14.280 Like it's combat.

00:14:15.260 Like, yeah, so I remember on that tour, I would say that my performance was like really impacted by all those things.

00:14:26.620 Like, uh, you know, like, you know, before you go out on it, like when you're planning the mission, your stomach is just like, Oh my God, it's my last day on this planet.

00:14:38.600 That's the worst.

00:14:39.360 Yeah.

00:14:40.100 Yeah.

00:14:40.460 Right.

00:14:40.840 So, you know, like, you know, leading up to the mission, you're like, and then, and then you get on the chopper, you get on Humvee or wherever.

00:14:49.320 And, you know, you get into game mode, but at the same time, like, I remember the first mission I was, I was younger.

00:14:56.520 I was probably in my late twenties or early thirties.

00:15:03.180 And, uh, and I just wasn't like, it would affect me.

00:15:07.600 Like it would affect me a little bit, like in the mission on the mission, especially like a longer one.

00:15:12.460 If like, we had like a mobility where it was like, you know, 10 days, two weeks or something.

00:15:16.200 Right.

00:15:16.780 I would notice that my willingness to, uh, you know, have my head up and look at us.

00:15:23.820 It was just like, I'd slowly start to become degraded a little bit.

00:15:27.180 Yeah.

00:15:28.040 Um, uh, Dave, do you ever read a Dave Grossman's books?

00:15:31.700 On killing?

00:15:32.740 Yeah.

00:15:33.240 And on combat?

00:15:34.780 I'm a terrible reader, like really bad.

00:15:37.220 I've read like seven books in my life.

00:15:41.080 Those just happen to be one.

00:15:42.680 Yeah.

00:15:43.560 I did look at some of the training stuff.

00:15:45.860 I found that very interesting.

00:15:47.720 Um, like I saw how like the percentages were from like the different wars and all that.

00:15:54.000 Yeah.

00:15:54.600 I found that fascinating.

00:15:56.560 An aspect of that he talked about is that like your, the, the continual exposure to like the threat level and the fear level and the combat, like it does degrade you over time.

00:16:04.860 It's like, that's why they haven't got to replace like the longer and more extended time.

00:16:07.860 These guys are exposed to, uh, combat and the intensity of it and so on.

00:16:11.680 There's like a bell curve where it's like, it'll be good.

00:16:14.180 And then after a while it starts to really come down in a hurry and you got to replace these.

00:16:17.320 You get burned out and your brain, like, you know, like drugs or something.

00:16:20.900 You can't have these chemical, these intense levels of adrenaline coming through your, you'd get exhausted.

00:16:25.020 That's another thing.

00:16:25.560 I could never believe that you would fall asleep.

00:16:28.420 And, you know, like you do, like we would, we would have like ambushes or whatever.

00:16:32.380 And it's like, yeah, just hold this 10 and two for a couple hours.

00:16:35.200 Like, okay.

00:16:35.740 You know, and then your heart rate comes down.

00:16:37.040 You're literally like, I'm falling asleep.

00:16:40.160 It was like, someone just tried to kill you two hours ago.

00:16:41.860 And now you're sleeping.

00:16:42.380 Like, yeah, it's hard.

00:16:44.160 That's why you have to have reserve guys to reserve forces to replace them.

00:16:47.400 Cause that's when the counter-attack comes when you're exhausted.

00:16:50.040 Yeah.

00:16:53.340 But I didn't notice, uh, things absolutely did change for me as, as I went forward.

00:16:58.440 Uh, so that tour, like my first tour was a bit rough.

00:17:03.920 That's the one I got, I got shot on and, um, you know, came back and I really licked my

00:17:09.680 wounds for probably like a good year.

00:17:12.260 And, and then my subsequent tours after that, my psychology absolutely changed.

00:17:19.840 It 100% changed.

00:17:21.240 And I, I used a tool that I think is quite common with, with guys is that I, I developed,

00:17:27.320 I guess what you call a switch, right?

00:17:29.920 So, um, I really had the ability to really change, um, you know, on the camp in the day

00:17:36.580 and the planning on a regular me, like still have those same feelings of my guts churning.

00:17:42.340 But then I found that once we kind of crossed the threshold of mission start, I was like a

00:17:49.700 totally different guy, totally different.

00:17:51.820 Like, you know, I was, yeah.

00:17:54.680 Yeah.

00:17:54.940 I kind of talked about that too.

00:17:55.940 I was there to do the job and I won.

00:17:57.980 Yeah.

00:17:58.620 Yeah.

00:17:59.560 But it took me a good tour to get there.

00:18:01.860 It took me like.

00:18:04.420 Yeah.

00:18:05.860 Yeah.

00:18:06.740 Big experience for sure.

00:18:07.700 I took a good, solid appointment and then, and then come back, lick my wounds.

00:18:12.800 And then after that, it's like, I developed it.

00:18:15.400 It's like, I had the ability to actually truly enjoy what it was that it was, it was giving

00:18:22.940 me and just making the best of it.

00:18:25.200 Yeah.

00:18:25.440 Because if you, if you don't go there, you're going to do worse.

00:18:29.340 Yeah, for sure.

00:18:30.900 I found it was like an acceptance thing.

00:18:32.700 I mean, I only did the one, the one combat tour was that one, but it was the initially

00:18:37.960 like a lot of time leading up to it too.

00:18:39.400 My brain was always like, how do I not die?

00:18:41.460 Like, how do I not, you know, just trying to not make, not make mistakes, like do it,

00:18:45.060 like try to be perfect at everything and make no mistakes.

00:18:47.080 And there's like, man, you can do everything right and still get smoked.

00:18:51.500 So it's like, you have to, there's a level of this.

00:18:53.320 You have to just accept that this could happen.

00:18:56.200 It could, you know what I mean?

00:18:56.980 And just do your best and whatever happens, that's part of the game.

00:18:59.520 And if you don't, you can't accept it, you're going to be, you know, you loosen up a little

00:19:02.260 bit and go, well, you know, it's just, you know, let the fates fall with it, you know,

00:19:06.300 do it.

00:19:06.680 I'm going to do whatever, man.

00:19:07.800 But, um, and that, I think there's a little bit of, you know, power there too, but yeah,

00:19:12.380 I mean, that's, uh, that's, that's probably the best thing I got out of my experience in

00:19:16.060 the military was being able to, to, I've talked about this before on the street.

00:19:20.400 I guess you watched some of them.

00:19:21.380 I had no idea.

00:19:21.980 That's pretty cool.

00:19:23.340 But the, uh, that you can, I think it exists in most men or everybody really, but it's a part of our

00:19:29.220 personality that you have to reach in and cultivate a little bit or embrace that there's

00:19:34.000 like, yeah, there's another aspect of your, this, that society, especially now hates, like

00:19:39.020 they call it, you know, toxic masculinity and to an effect where it's like the switch where

00:19:43.020 it's like, I can just turn into this other guy where, you know, you can set all this

00:19:47.020 stuff aside and do what I got to do.

00:19:48.440 And that's, you know, that's how we survived for thousands of years.

00:19:51.320 I mean, if you're going to hunt a wolf or something, you can't be like, I hope eventually you have

00:19:55.360 to kind of go into a head space where it's like, I am going to fucking kill you one way

00:19:58.380 or another.

00:19:58.760 And that's it.

00:19:59.580 You know, I don't care what I got to do, but I'm doing it.

00:20:01.440 And then you just, that's all there is in your head.

00:20:03.600 You're not thinking anything else.

00:20:05.140 And, um, that's a great thing to have.

00:20:07.360 It builds a lot of confidence.

00:20:08.320 I think, I mean, I'm a totally different person than I was 10 or 15 years ago.

00:20:11.720 And I think I owe that to the military and having, you know, having these experiences that you

00:20:15.300 can, and you got to think about it and process it too.

00:20:17.200 After the fact, you can't just show up and never think about it again and walk away.

00:20:21.020 Like, Oh, I don't know.

00:20:22.260 I guess I know what I'm doing now.

00:20:24.860 Yeah.

00:20:26.160 Mission before stealth, right?

00:20:28.360 That was supposed to be.

00:20:29.180 Yeah.

00:20:31.340 Yeah.

00:20:31.960 Yeah.

00:20:32.280 Well, I mean, once, if you can, if you can really embrace that, you become very good at

00:20:38.640 accomplishing a mission.

00:20:40.600 Yeah.

00:20:41.080 If you throw yourself into it.

00:20:42.660 And I guess that's probably served you very well in your, your arm wrestling career.

00:20:46.220 It seems like there was a video I played of yours on here once.

00:20:50.840 And it was clearly, you were talking about the, uh, the, the, the match you had coming

00:20:54.500 up with, um, big fella there.

00:20:56.140 What was his name?

00:20:57.020 Oh God.

00:20:57.680 The big beard.

00:20:59.780 Oh, with Mike.

00:21:00.880 Yes.

00:21:01.220 Is it where I hit my head again?

00:21:02.700 Yes.

00:21:03.280 Yeah.

00:21:04.180 Yeah, man.

00:21:05.120 Yeah.

00:21:05.440 I went for self big time on this last one.

00:21:08.820 Yeah.

00:21:09.080 That's the one I was trying to show.

00:21:10.580 I was trying to tell.

00:21:11.220 I was like, you see what he's doing here?

00:21:12.320 Like he's going in, like, you know, like there's a, something happens where it's like,

00:21:15.820 okay, now I'm, now I'm this guy until I've finished doing what I got to do.

00:21:19.880 And we're staying, we're going to sit in this.

00:21:22.740 Yeah.

00:21:23.260 Yeah.

00:21:24.300 What I've found is the same thing we're talking about with, you know, how you can only maintain

00:21:29.640 that for so long.

00:21:30.740 Yeah.

00:21:30.980 So I normally only kind of turn on the killer mode for like, just the last little bit, like

00:21:38.700 I kind of try and be just a good person and, you know, you know, open and compassionate,

00:21:46.360 whatever I need to do to be like a good human being in the world.

00:21:49.560 But then there comes a time when it is no more messing around.

00:21:54.020 Yeah.

00:21:54.400 And a lot of it.

00:21:55.340 Yeah.

00:21:55.600 I know.

00:21:55.940 And I normally clean up a little bit when I do it.

00:21:58.680 Yeah.

00:21:58.980 Well, it's like a ritual.

00:21:59.860 You know what I mean?

00:22:00.300 Like it's, there's gotta be some, I think that it helps some kind of extreme physical

00:22:03.660 change.

00:22:03.960 Like even just shaving your beard.

00:22:05.720 Like I look like a completely different, I look like a baby so I can never shave this

00:22:08.660 off.

00:22:08.900 It's going to stay forever or I'll never get laid again.

00:22:11.540 But you know, shaving your head or something that you don't like, you can almost physically

00:22:15.180 separate different.

00:22:16.540 I had a guy, my first section commander who I thought it was great.

00:22:19.080 Brian Kenney was his name.

00:22:20.460 And he would, he had a mustache.

00:22:22.600 That's what he, what he would do.

00:22:23.600 He would grow a mustache before it would be like, that's, and he'd be like, that's evil,

00:22:27.140 Brian.

00:22:27.840 He's different.

00:22:28.480 Right.

00:22:29.280 I'm like, Roger.

00:22:30.640 Okay.

00:22:31.540 Yeah.

00:22:31.940 You know, it's like some kind of something, some, everybody's got some kind of, you know,

00:22:36.040 maybe not everybody, but it's definitely in there for sure.

00:22:39.900 Um, yeah, it's, uh, I'm just playing the video.

00:22:42.940 I don't know if you can see it.

00:22:43.600 It's really important.

00:22:45.500 Yeah.

00:22:45.740 Yeah.

00:22:45.980 I can see it.

00:22:46.780 Yeah.

00:22:47.940 It's, I, I love to do it.

00:22:50.300 I love to get there.

00:22:51.620 Like, I feel like the level of focus and the adrenaline and the, the, the living in the

00:22:58.820 moment is what I, what I really still, I still yearn for it.

00:23:04.260 I still seek it.

00:23:05.660 Yeah.

00:23:06.180 Um, it's hard.

00:23:06.900 And now I have it, I have it in arm wrestling a little bit, you know, so it's hard to replace

00:23:12.140 that.

00:23:13.200 Yeah.

00:23:13.760 I think guys, I think people, then you need some kind of mission or something to do.

00:23:17.620 That's not like just swinging an ax all day.

00:23:20.780 You know what I mean?

00:23:21.180 You need some kind of something ambitious that you feel like is worth your time.

00:23:25.400 That's not like, you know, plow, plow in a driveway or something, you know, nothing wrong

00:23:28.520 with that kind of work or whatever.

00:23:29.660 But I, you know, I, you need something to something, some kind of mission or something

00:23:33.620 that's like challenging for you.

00:23:34.980 But, uh, yeah, that's the kind of the same thing.

00:23:37.100 Peterson talks about this before, you know, he's like a good man is not somebody that,

00:23:40.460 uh, who's harmless.

00:23:42.560 He's like a good guy.

00:23:43.480 The guy you want, like who you want to be sheriff is like the nicest guy, a

00:23:47.560 compassionate guy.

00:23:48.440 He's got a lot of empathy.

00:23:49.480 He, you know, he understands people.

00:23:51.060 He's, he's there to look out for you or whatever.

00:23:52.580 But if the wolves come, he'll fucking flip a switch and go to town.

00:23:55.900 You know what I mean?

00:23:56.560 He'll clean the fucking clean house.

00:23:58.140 And he's, you know, that's who you want.

00:24:00.280 And, uh, that's what, that's been my experience.

00:24:03.280 Oh my God.

00:24:04.360 Are you kidding me?

00:24:05.340 And I know so many guys who are those great people.

00:24:10.100 I know them.

00:24:11.160 I know they're there and I get so angry.

00:24:14.880 And that's why I like to listen to your podcasts.

00:24:17.560 Yeah.

00:24:20.020 I was going to say, I've met a lot of the guys I've met were like kind of in your circles.

00:24:23.800 All those guys that I, you know, I had the pleasure of working with, uh, or train me at

00:24:27.420 all.

00:24:27.660 And then a lot of the can soft guys I know and spent time with, and like, they're all

00:24:30.980 like that.

00:24:31.780 They're all, they're great human beings.

00:24:33.560 And it's, but it's all like, they're all smiles.

00:24:35.300 It's like, uh, kind of jarring to, you know, especially newer guys that, um, they go and do

00:24:39.920 these selections and stuff.

00:24:40.840 And it's like, when it's work mode, like they're trying to break you, they're going to test you

00:24:44.540 and they're going to try to break.

00:24:45.420 And then if they, you know, if they get hurt or they leave, whatever it's like, and then

00:24:48.360 they were super nice.

00:24:49.620 It's like, well, yeah, man, they're not, there's nothing personal.

00:24:52.540 He doesn't hate you.

00:24:53.800 He's like, dude, are you okay?

00:24:54.920 Like, is your knee all right, man?

00:24:56.180 He's like, oh, you know, and it's like, oh, I didn't understand.

00:24:58.160 It's like, because it's a, it's, you know what I mean?

00:25:00.740 You either understand it or you don't, I think, but yeah, all those guys are, I don't know

00:25:05.360 any of them that are, you know, not like that really to come to think of it, but, uh, yeah,

00:25:11.060 just great.

00:25:11.900 We need more.

00:25:12.880 It's a great place to work for sure.

00:25:15.020 Yeah.

00:25:15.180 And I do, I mean, and I think that's why a lot of veterans are in this same boat where

00:25:21.580 they're looking at the leadership right now.

00:25:24.200 And they're just like the level of risk adversity, how it's shaping our entire country.

00:25:30.720 I mean, is enough to make us lose our minds when we know there's people we, like, we probably

00:25:37.600 all know a good handful of them that were like, just put that guy there.

00:25:42.900 Let's put this guy there.

00:25:44.400 Yeah.

00:25:44.780 And all these things just disappear.

00:25:46.980 Yeah.

00:25:47.940 I've, you know, I've been, and it's again, like I'm no, any kind of great leader or anything,

00:25:51.420 but I've had the, again, I've had the pleasure and the honor of being able to work for some

00:25:55.860 of these guys.

00:25:56.200 I've had a great, I've had great examples to learn from.

00:25:58.780 So it's like, I, I can, I'd be like that guy, that's the guy you want or, or, or the

00:26:03.220 opposite of him.

00:26:04.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:04.480 I've also had really bad leadership where like, this guy sucks.

00:26:07.980 And, um, you know, when you look at, uh, you know, the leadership of the country and,

00:26:11.720 you know, a lot of the military right now, it's like, this is not gonna, this isn't going

00:26:15.120 in the right direction.

00:26:15.960 These are not, you know, and it's like, they don't have to be the smartest person or, or, or

00:26:19.920 whatever, but if they're just weak, soft, bad people that are going to cut corners and,

00:26:25.820 you know, do the things they're doing like this is destined to fail because that's what

00:26:29.240 I've learned in the middle.

00:26:29.960 Cause that's what I really loved about the military.

00:26:32.060 The things I did like about it was that there's no fake in it.

00:26:34.600 You can't fake anything.

00:26:35.920 That rucksack weighs a hundred pounds, every step.

00:26:38.540 It doesn't get lighter.

00:26:39.400 You can't pretend you can't, uh, you know, reality is reality.

00:26:43.260 If you get shot, you got to deal with it.

00:26:44.580 You know, it's like, there's no amount of, uh, you can't talk your way out of any of this

00:26:48.680 stuff you got to perform and results matter.

00:26:50.360 And it's like, but they're, they're doing the opposite now.

00:26:53.400 It's like, well, we're just, uh, we'll just say a bunch of things that don't make sense

00:26:56.460 and take a bunch of terrible actions.

00:26:57.740 And then like the Homer Simpson quota, you know, it's like, I'm just going to hide under

00:27:01.220 some coats and so hope that somehow everything works out.

00:27:04.500 Like, this is concerning to me because this isn't consistent with everything I've learned

00:27:09.100 in my entire life.

00:27:14.080 Yeah.

00:27:14.480 I mean, I, I left before I feel like the culture really changed.

00:27:18.860 Yeah.

00:27:19.320 I mean, I, I got out in 2017 and right around then it was starting to get weird.

00:27:22.780 The guys I've been talking to lately and they're, they're just like, you wouldn't, you wouldn't

00:27:26.860 believe the stuff that's going on now.

00:27:29.580 Believe you that I wouldn't believe.

00:27:32.380 Yeah.

00:27:32.900 I've heard some whispers too, but, uh, yeah.

00:27:37.180 I prefer just to stay in my, with my blinders on now.

00:27:42.080 Well, it's, it's another, just a little bit longer.

00:27:45.140 Yeah.

00:27:45.460 Well, it's one of those things like, well, what can I even do?

00:27:47.440 You know, like some people obsess over these things and it's like, yeah, they don't pay

00:27:51.220 attention and care.

00:27:51.840 But like, if it's ruining your life, you know, then, you know, I can't, you know, I can't

00:27:56.840 do anything about these things really.

00:27:58.660 So, um, if it affects you that deeply, it's probably not good for you.

00:28:02.160 It's not good for you to spend that much time dressing over these things.

00:28:05.040 But, and if, and try to deal with things in your own life that you can affect, you

00:28:09.020 know?

00:28:12.440 So what do you got going on out that way?

00:28:14.820 Well, I've just been doing this mostly.

00:28:18.040 Uh, it's pretty, I like it out here.

00:28:19.540 I mean, I guess you've probably, you've been all over the country, so you know that it's,

00:28:22.220 it's just different.

00:28:22.900 I like the attitudes and the people out here.

00:28:25.120 Just, it just more, not that anything's better or worse.

00:28:27.080 It just suits me better.

00:28:27.920 I just, you know, I like it here.

00:28:29.160 I like the, uh, I don't mind the terrain.

00:28:31.360 Some guys are like, it's too flat.

00:28:33.180 It's too, that's too many.

00:28:34.280 It's too flat.

00:28:35.200 Like, I like it.

00:28:36.000 I think it's cool.

00:28:36.640 It's different.

00:28:37.140 It's, uh, nice and dry and warm all the time.

00:28:40.080 Hold on a second.

00:28:41.720 Oh, I thought you were in Nova Scotia.

00:28:44.500 I am from Nova Scotia.

00:28:46.120 I'm currently in Saskatoon, Saskatoon area.

00:28:49.340 Oh, wow.

00:28:50.600 Okay.

00:28:50.920 I didn't know that you'd moved.

00:28:53.040 I thought you were still out.

00:28:54.500 No, I go back and forth.

00:28:55.840 I, uh, my, my kids are, they live in Nova Scotia with their mom.

00:28:58.440 So I travel back and forth and, you know, my family all lives there.

00:29:01.780 And my dad, my mom and stuff are all there.

00:29:03.620 So that's good tune, man.

00:29:05.780 That's wild.

00:29:06.720 I've never spent that time in Saskatchewan.

00:29:08.680 It's, uh, it's, it's like the Texas of, of, of Canada kind of, you know, and it's similar

00:29:13.480 to Alberta, I guess, a lot of ways, but yeah, it was just a totally different, I just was

00:29:16.540 like, I just got to do something different for a little while, you know, and this is

00:29:19.700 definitely it.

00:29:20.640 Different seat, like kind of like shaving your head and doing a whole, you know, it's kind

00:29:24.260 of in a rut.

00:29:24.760 So I was like, this, you know, this is not, why not?

00:29:29.100 You know, it's, what's the worst that can happen?

00:29:31.540 Yeah.

00:29:31.720 You got, you got any, uh, you got any arm wrestlers out there or what?

00:29:36.020 I'm sure there are.

00:29:37.000 There's some, there's some big fellas out here for sure.

00:29:39.860 The arm vet, uh, that was, is that your, is this your baby?

00:29:44.320 You know, uh, I've, I've been in arm wrestling since, since I was a baby.

00:29:50.760 Like, I mean, I started arm wrestling when I was like five or six and I, I basically have

00:29:58.540 always been like a super fan.

00:30:00.060 So I'm like taking ideas from this and that and this and that.

00:30:03.820 And I kind of realized, uh, probably like five years ago, really what we needed to kind

00:30:10.480 of, Oh, look at you.

00:30:12.180 Oh, that's not, hold on a second.

00:30:13.800 Joan, come and tell people what you're looking like right now.

00:30:17.340 Okay.

00:30:18.260 Jody is, uh, is an actress.

00:30:20.040 I'm going to a pink party.

00:30:21.660 Just kidding.

00:30:22.180 Oh, perfect.

00:30:25.060 A pink party.

00:30:26.240 Everybody's pink.

00:30:27.020 Yeah.

00:30:29.700 Anyways, I kind of figured out what I thought we needed.

00:30:32.880 And I mean, like everything is evolving all the time.

00:30:36.400 And right now I feel like we're in a period where the phone is just, it's so powerful,

00:30:42.540 right?

00:30:43.260 So we need to learn more how to do everything through this.

00:30:47.240 So we need to, it's, it's about community building and that's really the heart of what

00:30:54.180 ArmBet is.

00:30:55.080 And then, you know, all sorts of cool stuff on top of that where now we've at, we can

00:31:01.120 actually, uh, you know, we can, we can stake arm wrestlers.

00:31:04.780 We can get equipment, whatever we need anyways.

00:31:07.720 Um, yeah, I pitched it to everybody, every single person I thought I could, uh, get to

00:31:13.900 help me finally, uh, kind of the ball got rolling and now we have such an awesome team.

00:31:20.220 And I'm so happy now.

00:31:21.740 I feel like it's, it's given me a good purpose, you know, the, the growth of, of this app.

00:31:29.280 I think in a few years, I think it'll just be such a great tool for anybody who wants to

00:31:36.920 get into the arm wrestling community.

00:31:38.000 It already is good, but in like two or three years, it's just going to be, it's going to

00:31:45.360 really help a lot of people.

00:31:46.400 So yeah, I, you know, I didn't even think, I didn't even know this was a thing really

00:31:51.040 until I think I started following you maybe.

00:31:52.840 And I was like, Oh, what the hell it's, it's a lot of fun, surprisingly.

00:31:56.500 Like I didn't think it would be like, uh, an article I was reading actually earlier about,

00:32:00.860 uh, this is the one here from the Ottawa season from a few years ago.

00:32:03.440 And it was kind of the same, like, you might think it's like, you know, high school, but

00:32:06.680 it's like, no, it's pretty fucking serious, man.

00:32:08.620 These are pretty big, mean dudes that do some serious, uh, serious training for this.

00:32:13.140 And it's, uh, I love the struggle, you know, it's like just, um, a

00:32:16.340 mental game.

00:32:17.020 That's another fun.

00:32:17.620 I love watching because it's so entertaining.

00:32:19.800 My favorite clip that I've, I've played this a few times where you're, uh, um, uh, what

00:32:24.620 was the guy's name?

00:32:25.200 Jerry, uh, he, he was just, this guy, yeah, he's huge.

00:32:30.260 And he's just, he's just, and you're just not even moving and you're like, nah, he puts

00:32:36.240 in the big effort and you're like, Oh, so close.

00:32:38.640 Just taunting.

00:32:39.620 You know, it was like, this is amazing.

00:32:41.220 I'm way too strong, Jerry.

00:32:43.340 It was amazing.

00:32:46.460 That's one of my favorite matches.

00:32:48.420 Oh man.

00:32:49.960 Guys, guys are serious.

00:32:51.240 Guys get hooked in arm wrestling.

00:32:52.840 It's, it's a great sport.

00:32:54.080 The thing that I love about it so much is it's, it's at the base of it.

00:33:03.740 Um, you know, it's, it's the size of sport where you're not, it's not, money isn't the

00:33:10.060 main motivator.

00:33:10.820 Like people aren't doing it for money.

00:33:12.320 They're doing it.

00:33:13.200 Everybody who shows up at arm wrestling practices is there to work, is there to, you know, become

00:33:19.360 a stronger, better person and the community just really, you know, makes that happen in

00:33:25.480 people.

00:33:26.200 Uh, it's, it's great.

00:33:28.760 I love, I, that's, that's the thing I mean, people can both complain about, but I think

00:33:33.260 is what makes it special is kind of for the most part, the absence of a lot of money.

00:33:38.760 Most clubs don't, don't charge a member fee.

00:33:42.260 You can just show up, uh, meet people train together.

00:33:45.380 And so many people are the same, you know, like I personally have, have always struggled

00:33:52.600 with doing things by myself.

00:33:55.660 I'm, I'm terrible at it.

00:33:57.160 Like you asked me to do anything.

00:33:58.700 If it's, if it's just me, I really, I'm just, I'm just not really going to do it that well.

00:34:04.360 But if you put me in with other people, I, it's, I, I thrive.

00:34:09.600 So, um, you know, so arm wrestling, I mean, we are sharing our fitness experience, you

00:34:16.840 know, like together we get stronger.

00:34:20.660 Uh, yeah, that's, I love it.

00:34:24.200 It's super.

00:34:25.040 I mean, um, community building, especially now I think is, is really important.

00:34:29.120 I mean, the way society is kind of fracturing and everybody hates everybody and everything's,

00:34:32.520 you know, I've been trying to push that to like, um, you know, this is all the people

00:34:35.880 in the telegram groups and whatever.

00:34:37.120 And it's like, if you, if you're into this, if you resonate, if what we're doing resonates

00:34:40.480 with you, go in there.

00:34:42.060 If I guarantee there's going to be somebody near you that is on the same page and it's

00:34:45.900 worth, you know, going out there and trying to find these people and, you know, making

00:34:49.280 friends and, you know, kind of community building a little bit networking.

00:34:51.700 Cause just for your mental health alone to know that you have, um, you know, like a peer

00:34:55.560 group, you know, you need something, everybody needs something.

00:34:58.060 And it's just very isolating.

00:35:00.060 The world we live in now, everything's over the phone.

00:35:01.680 It's very easy to just stay home and be in front of screens all day.

00:35:04.840 And you lose real connections with human beings.

00:35:07.540 Everything's over the screen.

00:35:08.600 And it's like, it's not real.

00:35:10.080 It's not, it's a, it's a cheap substitute for the real thing.

00:35:12.780 And it, you know, you can get by with it, but it's not the same as, you know, uh, me,

00:35:16.880 you know, being with other people and sharing these experiences and stuff.

00:35:20.040 And, um, you know, so I think, I think it's important and yeah, we're all stronger together.

00:35:23.880 I'm terrible doing stuff by myself.

00:35:25.240 I can't, I almost need other people.

00:35:27.120 Like the website was another guy.

00:35:28.740 All this whole overlay was another guy that did this for me.

00:35:31.220 Uh, the, the Tik TOK channels run by somebody else and, you know, and, and, you know, people

00:35:35.140 find me and send me stuff.

00:35:36.300 And, you know, it's like, well, this is much easier when there's a bunch of other people,

00:35:38.920 but if you can't, nobody's does everything by themselves.

00:35:41.480 I think Schwarzenegger said something like that before.

00:35:43.640 Like there's no such thing as a self-made man.

00:35:46.120 Everybody's got help.

00:35:47.180 Everybody's got some kind of, yeah.

00:35:48.680 And it's true.

00:35:49.280 So, I mean, you can either recognize that, or you can think that you do everything on your own,

00:35:52.740 but the humility aspect to it, maybe.

00:35:57.680 Yeah.

00:35:58.320 Yeah.

00:35:58.740 I love it.

00:35:59.420 I love it.

00:36:00.820 Mondays and Thursdays right here in, uh, Kanata.

00:36:05.100 Anybody's near Ottawa, come out and find us.

00:36:07.740 We're at Buster's seven o'clock tonight.

00:36:10.840 Tonight.

00:36:12.580 It's always a big celebration.

00:36:14.980 Means I get Mondays and Thursdays.

00:36:17.040 I get to take the day off and do whatever.

00:36:18.920 I know working out Mondays and Thursdays.

00:36:21.440 Cause I get to hang with the team.

00:36:22.740 Those are your only, are those your only off days?

00:36:24.800 You just do Mondays and Thursdays.

00:36:25.380 Well, no, um, I, I actually, I, I switch it up a lot basically.

00:36:29.340 So like, so now that I'm retired and I really am a full-time professional arm wrestler.

00:36:34.720 Like, uh, so most of, most of my life is dedicated to my, my craft.

00:36:43.580 So, uh, so I like to go to practice.

00:36:50.220 That's my, I really enjoy it.

00:36:52.820 And it's actually the, probably, it probably really is the best way to get better as well.

00:36:57.820 And the days that I practice, I don't work out with weights or anything.

00:37:01.680 So, yeah.

00:37:03.400 So I, I normally do like when I'm really training hard, I'll do like three or four club meetings

00:37:10.280 a week.

00:37:11.060 So basically every other day I'll go to a club, uh, two in Ottawa.

00:37:16.440 And then I might bounce out a little bit.

00:37:19.140 Like I'll go to Montreal or I'll go to Toronto or wherever, just Pembroke, you know, there's

00:37:26.660 lots of clubs around.

00:37:28.060 Yeah.

00:37:28.620 Yeah.

00:37:29.660 Yeah.

00:37:30.020 I, uh, I wanted to ask you about that.

00:37:31.340 Look, there's so many stories about you.

00:37:33.720 Are you aware of this?

00:37:36.020 Your training stories that are like, dude, I saw, I saw a lot in the gym and, uh, I don't

00:37:41.960 know.

00:37:42.320 I don't know if he's human.

00:37:45.180 What is your, when you were at your peak, like, or maybe that's now, I don't know what

00:37:49.520 kind of, what does your training day look like?

00:37:51.540 Like, yeah, look at, I mean, guys who knew me from when I was serving, I, I was in, I

00:37:58.880 I'm 46 now and I'll tell you, I'm really damaged, really, really damaged.

00:38:05.560 Like in terms of like most of my joints are pretty, like I can still do a lot of stuff,

00:38:11.820 but, uh, yeah, I'm definitely not what I was when I was like 25 to 30.

00:38:18.340 Like back then I basically didn't have injuries and I was just a complete retard, like complete,

00:38:25.800 complete idiot.

00:38:27.040 You know, there's a good picture of me there.

00:38:28.880 Like that's, that's me.

00:38:29.940 Like, yeah.

00:38:31.200 And I, I could, I could run, I could do everything.

00:38:34.000 Yeah.

00:38:34.340 Whatever.

00:38:35.420 Yeah.

00:38:35.820 You know, you're at that time when the injuries haven't affected you and you know, you're,

00:38:39.960 you're in full soldier mode and yeah.

00:38:43.380 Yeah.

00:38:43.840 Yeah.

00:38:44.040 I was actually just out running this morning and I've got something going on with my hip and

00:38:47.320 I'm like, I don't know if this is just old.

00:38:49.240 Like that's the diagnosis.

00:38:50.420 It's like old.

00:38:51.240 It just hurts now.

00:38:52.020 So carry on.

00:38:53.200 I don't know.

00:38:53.860 I just turned through.

00:38:54.720 Well, I'll be 36 here after Christmas, but.

00:38:57.040 And it's a, yeah, I don't know.

00:38:58.540 Or like, I also, I was in a bad snowmobile accident once in Patawawa.

00:39:01.660 I went right through a tree, spun my whole, I can't believe it didn't break my femur.

00:39:04.580 But I'm like, is that what it is?

00:39:05.620 Like, did it just finally come loose?

00:39:06.880 I don't know.

00:39:07.420 But I catch it.

00:39:08.380 It definitely, your body definitely ages faster doing that kind of work.

00:39:11.720 Like every mile you, you put on with those rucksacks and all that gear on and everything

00:39:15.620 and every, every jump these guys do and every bad fall, you know, it just, it adds up.

00:39:20.600 It's cumulative.

00:39:21.040 And it's, some of them are permanent.

00:39:22.600 It's like, and it gets worse as you get older.

00:39:25.420 My back is starting to hurt now.

00:39:27.300 I hurt my back when I was 18, I think, or 17.

00:39:30.000 I was doing, I did basic in the, or maybe I was 60, I was young and I was 120 pounds maybe

00:39:35.640 doing a battle school as a C9 gunner.

00:39:39.280 So I just did this stiff need, like when you can't bend your knees walking, like just in

00:39:45.360 my back, I could feel it like crunching on one side.

00:39:47.840 I'm like, oh, that's not good.

00:39:49.140 And now it's starting to hurt like the last couple of years, the same spot.

00:39:52.940 Yeah.

00:39:53.940 Yeah.

00:39:54.520 Like way, way later.

00:39:55.640 It's like, see in 20 years, kid, you're like, oh man, really?

00:39:59.900 Like that's cool.

00:40:00.440 That's wild.

00:40:01.000 I can't believe that.

00:40:03.000 Let's see.

00:40:03.540 The Ferryman's Toll, one of the guys that follow, he says, I guess I have to hold off

00:40:06.900 a few hours on leaving and make a trip to Kanata tonight.

00:40:09.380 Do it.

00:40:09.920 That would be great.

00:40:10.640 Yeah.

00:40:10.820 Go.

00:40:11.040 Where, where'd you say it was?

00:40:13.400 Yeah.

00:40:13.860 Come on out.

00:40:16.280 Busters at 420 Hazeldeen in Kanata.

00:40:21.160 There you go.

00:40:21.800 Yeah.

00:40:23.040 Yeah.

00:40:23.500 There you go, brother.

00:40:24.180 Go check it out.

00:40:25.860 A couple of Hadrian's Dumpsters.

00:40:27.700 I haven't been able to catch anything for a while.

00:40:29.320 DTS, stay bigoted, brother.

00:40:30.860 Thanks, man.

00:40:31.340 Full draw scarves.

00:40:32.100 Good afternoon.

00:40:32.480 Forgot about, forgot about it.

00:40:34.640 Some have seen, this is a must share screen record.

00:40:37.120 I don't know if, uh, if that will load or not, but, um, take a while.

00:40:43.220 Yeah.

00:40:43.580 It's taking a while, but, um, yeah, it, uh, yeah.

00:40:45.980 Your body definitely degenerates faster, but, uh, that, that's something else I missed about

00:40:51.700 it too.

00:40:52.040 I think, I don't know where I was reading this, maybe the same article, but that was a great

00:40:55.480 thing with the military.

00:40:56.120 They, they basically pay you to train and everything I learned about, you know, fitness and everything

00:40:59.720 was as a result, a by-product of that.

00:41:01.940 Cause it was part of your job.

00:41:03.200 You needed to do it.

00:41:04.060 And, um, you know, I, I ended up, I hooked up with a guy, Chris Schneer is his name at

00:41:08.240 a synergy training center and, uh, outside Fredericton.

00:41:11.100 I'm not sure if he's still there or not, but he had, uh, he had like, uh, a lot of professional

00:41:14.880 athletes there.

00:41:15.540 Brandon Brewer is the Canadian middleweight boxing champion that was training there.

00:41:18.700 There was a couple other like professional fighters there.

00:41:20.820 And, you know, it was just a different, like, this is not, um, no, you know, he actually

00:41:25.980 was one of the, what were they called?

00:41:27.160 The trainers that the army has at the gym and stuff.

00:41:30.520 Uh, no, like the, what the hell are they called?

00:41:34.880 No, like the, um, PSP.

00:41:36.660 He was a PSP guy.

00:41:39.520 The Perry was before the PSP.

00:41:41.340 Yeah.

00:41:41.940 Yeah.

00:41:42.640 He was PSP and then he went and did his own thing and it was a totally, I mean, guys

00:41:46.560 are throwing tires around and sledgehammers and big rocks and just like, you know, one

00:41:51.300 and he just make up the new stuff every day.

00:41:52.980 You know, I paid a lot of money for it, but I was like, that was worth every penny because

00:41:55.520 I remember everything.

00:41:56.400 And that stays with you forever.

00:41:57.600 Those are like, you know, and then you can pass that on to other people.

00:41:59.820 And one day I went in there and he just, uh, he filled a duffel bag full of rocks, just

00:42:05.140 big rocks.

00:42:05.960 And he's like, here you go.

00:42:07.300 He's like, do like all these sets with this.

00:42:09.080 And he's like, cause it's an uneven, it's basically throwing a dead body around.

00:42:12.240 And he's like, it just challenges your body in a different way.

00:42:14.700 Things I would have never thought to do on my own.

00:42:16.560 That you don't, you know, do with cables on a cable fly machine in a gym or something.

00:42:20.000 And that kind of stuff is just, uh, yeah, it was, you know, the army's got some benefits

00:42:23.820 to it, I guess, besides getting shot and blown up and whatever.

00:42:28.420 That's the really fun stuff.

00:42:30.140 Yeah.

00:42:30.320 The great times, great days.

00:42:32.100 Yeah.

00:42:32.980 So, um, yeah, I did want to, I was curious about that.

00:42:35.080 I guess that's probably, that would make sense.

00:42:36.860 I was going to ask him, what was the, uh, if you ever had a time that you were like, that

00:42:39.880 you found that was the most fear you'd ever felt like where you were like, you know what

00:42:44.840 I mean?

00:42:44.960 Like the most intense level of fear, like real fear.

00:42:47.340 Cause I had never been scared before until I was, until I was in Afghanistan.

00:42:51.520 Like you think you're scared, like, Oh, this guy's going to beat the shit out of me after

00:42:54.240 school.

00:42:54.780 That's not fear.

00:42:55.740 Fear is, is fear is a guy lining you up with an RPG seven, you know, and you're, you have

00:43:00.360 no cover and no time to react.

00:43:01.920 I'm like, I'm fucking dead.

00:43:03.060 You know, like I imagine probably getting shot would be one of those times.

00:43:06.960 Um, yeah, it's interesting, you know, just when I hear you talking about it, to me, there

00:43:13.160 is quite a difference in my mind right away.

00:43:16.020 When I hear you say the words between fear and adrenal response, you know, like, I feel

00:43:25.580 like there's a bit of a difference there.

00:43:26.880 I feel like fear is a little bit more like I'm thinking about this and I'm very wary of

00:43:32.300 it and I'm not happy about it.

00:43:34.520 And I, whereas you don't really always have the luxury of fear when you're so much in it,

00:43:42.460 but your adrenaline might be just redlining and beyond.

00:43:49.300 Um, you know, I feel like a lot of the times when I was probably at the most risk, uh, the

00:43:55.160 fear wasn't really so present, but the adrenaline was, and then times when I would be more away

00:44:01.440 from things, I would have the luxury of perhaps, you know, being able to rationalize things

00:44:08.580 a little bit more and probably having a more pure feeling of fear.

00:44:13.520 Yeah.

00:44:13.960 I mean, I guess there's more fear beforehand.

00:44:16.660 You know what I mean?

00:44:17.240 While you're talking about the mission planning and just waiting, like we would tell us like,

00:44:20.180 Oh, here's our, you do your, your, uh, you know, your, your, and you're just left to

00:44:25.280 sit with that.

00:44:25.760 It's like, we're doing what today?

00:44:26.840 It's like, well, we got, you know, 80 or 90 guys dug in here with small arms and indirect

00:44:30.200 fire.

00:44:30.600 There's probably booby traps and mines and the whole thing.

00:44:32.640 And, you know, at, uh, you know, five or six hours, we're going to go get them and kill

00:44:36.120 them all.

00:44:36.460 Any questions?

00:44:37.640 And I'm like, we're doing what tomorrow, you know?

00:44:40.040 And you just kind of sit there and think about all the things that can go wrong.

00:44:43.080 And, but then when you're in it, it's a totally different, I guess, cause you know, you know,

00:44:47.260 I guess maybe you get used to it, but it's brand new when you're brand new.

00:44:49.960 And it's like, I don't, my legs feel funny, you know, like I can, they're there, but they

00:44:54.200 just feel weird.

00:44:54.980 Like kind of, you know, like, what is this?

00:44:57.080 And, you know, you lose some of your fine motor skills and, you know, some guys have

00:45:00.820 like ocular and audio occlusion.

00:45:02.380 Like they can't, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a weird thing to manage that if you don't

00:45:07.160 know how, or if you've never done it before, it's can be overwhelming for people.

00:45:10.220 Yeah, I found that, uh, there were other feelings that were worse than fear, like, you know, guilt.

00:45:22.900 Yeah.

00:45:23.720 Guilt is a terrible one, you know, the after.

00:45:27.220 So before there's fear.

00:45:29.300 Yeah.

00:45:29.580 During there's like adrenal redlining.

00:45:32.320 Yeah.

00:45:32.880 And then afterwards you'll feel like guilt about things that you feel like you didn't

00:45:38.640 do quite right.

00:45:39.640 And you want to fix them, you know, that's the one that lasts.

00:45:42.540 I think I know a lot of guys like that, that just, they, you know, a friend of mine yesterday

00:45:46.720 and a lot of the guys, we had a bad, um, we had a bad, we had a whole section get wiped

00:45:50.520 out by a, an ID.

00:45:52.480 And, uh, a lot of them still are like, you know, like they blame them.

00:45:56.400 They just feel guilt.

00:45:57.280 It's even just surviving where it's like, they got, they went home in a box and I get

00:46:01.880 to watch their kids cry about it.

00:46:03.240 And I'm here drinking a beer.

00:46:05.320 It doesn't seem fair.

00:46:06.280 You know, it's like, uh, especially when you're brought up to be a team and, you know, we're

00:46:09.340 all together and it's like, they didn't get to go home and I did this fucked up.

00:46:12.900 Um, yeah.

00:46:14.360 If, if they could go back, like, I mean, the, the, the army guys, they're always like the

00:46:19.360 teams, they're always trying to fix, like make things better.

00:46:23.280 Like, especially like now they're focusing more on the psychology of it.

00:46:27.660 I think that they've done a really good job now in preparing guys for, for combat, like

00:46:35.400 way better than when I was going in.

00:46:37.440 Like, you know, when I was leaving, there's like courses in mental resilience now that

00:46:42.660 you take to, you know, just to make yourself stronger mentally.

00:46:47.160 So you don't break down as easy.

00:46:49.200 Right.

00:46:49.940 But I don't know that there's that much, uh, for the, the, you know, for the, for the

00:46:55.980 dealing with, with the guilt part.

00:46:57.540 And maybe there is now, maybe there is, maybe they've fixed all that.

00:47:01.940 Yeah.

00:47:02.440 I don't know.

00:47:03.060 Do you, do you, what do you, do you miss any of it?

00:47:04.800 I mean, I do.

00:47:05.380 I mean, I think everybody does.

00:47:06.520 It's, you go through a weird, I went through a weird kind of, um, when guys are done and

00:47:10.860 they want to get out, they're done.

00:47:12.000 You know, like I can't wait to fucking get, turn all this shit in and get out of here.

00:47:15.800 And then you're like, I'm free.

00:47:17.120 I'm, you know, and then it slowly starts to creep back in and then you only remember

00:47:20.580 the good times for a while.

00:47:22.200 And then you become one of these assholes with a RCR flag all the time.

00:47:26.320 You're like, it was the best, you know, it's like, why are you selling?

00:47:36.220 Why don't yell pro patria while we're banging?

00:47:38.180 That's weird.

00:47:38.620 You know, like now I, something, you know, I don't know.

00:47:43.140 It's a weird transition, but yeah, I, I, uh, I, I do miss, um, a lot of the people,

00:47:50.640 uh, but you know, the people aren't necessarily tied to the jobs.

00:47:54.200 I, I still talk to a lot of them.

00:47:55.800 I still got a lot of buddies that I converse with and, um, you know, you miss the culture

00:48:01.000 a little bit.

00:48:01.460 I probably miss the food more than anything.

00:48:04.300 Uh, but, uh, that's a, that's a great perk because then I'm like, I got to cook my own

00:48:10.680 stuff now.

00:48:11.400 Like, Oh man, you got to get a wife and just get her.

00:48:16.180 Yeah.

00:48:16.880 I'm a terrible cook.

00:48:18.060 I'm basically, again, the Simpsons, like I'll pour cereal in a bowl.

00:48:20.840 It'll catch fire.

00:48:21.560 I'll be like, I don't know what I did.

00:48:22.800 I don't know.

00:48:23.800 Honey.

00:48:24.240 Yeah.

00:48:25.420 I burned the cereal.

00:48:26.840 Yeah.

00:48:28.500 Yeah.

00:48:28.860 I'm the, I miss the guys.

00:48:30.100 I think the dudes, when I was getting out, um, it was, we, it was just some corporal.

00:48:34.800 I think I was duty NCO or something in third battalion when I was leaving and he was, Oh,

00:48:38.560 you're getting out.

00:48:39.120 I was like, yeah, this is like my last day or something.

00:48:40.680 And he's like, and, uh, I think his old section man or something, he said, uh, he's like, well,

00:48:44.900 I don't know.

00:48:45.260 It's like one of those things.

00:48:45.960 It's profoundly like, I'm looking at him.

00:48:47.700 Like he doesn't even know, understand what he just said, but it's like, that is profoundly true.

00:48:51.180 He was like 20 and he's like, well, you know what they say?

00:48:53.360 You miss the clowns, but you miss the clowns, but not the circus.

00:48:56.220 And I was like, yeah, that's true.

00:49:01.520 That's interesting.

00:49:03.820 Yeah.

00:49:04.320 You know, I, I do miss the job as well.

00:49:06.940 A little bit like, uh, you know, there's, there's really, it's, it's a great form of

00:49:12.620 expression, you know, to be at that, you know, pointy end of the spear for your country.

00:49:17.540 It's the top of the top of the pyramid, man.

00:49:20.180 You guys were at the fucking, it's a really,

00:49:23.100 it's a really great place to be.

00:49:26.040 Uh, it's just, you know, when, when I realistically kind of reminisce, then I'm like, would I ever

00:49:32.480 want to be back there?

00:49:33.440 Like sometimes I'm like, yep, yep, yep.

00:49:35.400 And then I'm like, wait a second.

00:49:37.460 Yeah.

00:49:37.860 Depends on the mood you're in.

00:49:39.840 Maybe not.

00:49:41.000 To me, it's, it's all about the same thing we talked about at the beginning, you know,

00:49:44.880 mission for self.

00:49:45.840 You got, you have to believe in whatever mission you're doing.

00:49:48.820 Yeah.

00:49:49.020 Uh, and my mission has really changed now, uh, probably.

00:49:53.020 And I've really finally found some good resolve in my mission.

00:49:56.860 Uh, you know, my mission now is my, my family and, uh, my craft and arm wrestling.

00:50:01.920 And I think that I can build some community outside of, uh, well, outside of being a soldier

00:50:09.180 now, I feel like now I'm, uh, I'm something else.

00:50:11.680 I'm not, I'm just not that guy anymore.

00:50:14.280 Uh, it's, yeah.

00:50:17.080 No, go ahead.

00:50:18.420 Hats off to all the guys who still do it.

00:50:20.440 And girls, you know, a hundred percent.

00:50:22.380 And I, it took me a little while cause I got out and I was like, I don't know what the

00:50:26.100 hell I'm going to do.

00:50:26.780 I started doing this about two years ago and I kind of found a, you know, it turned out

00:50:31.040 to be, you know, it was a positive thing.

00:50:32.020 People are entertained by it.

00:50:32.980 They like it, whatever.

00:50:33.740 And, and, you know, it's become a whole other thing now, but what's your long-term strategy

00:50:39.240 here?

00:50:39.740 Where are you going with all this?

00:50:40.980 I don't know.

00:50:41.500 We'll see what happens.

00:50:42.340 You know, I'm just, uh, it's been going, going well for the last couple of years.

00:50:45.720 Uh, you know, warlord maybe, or some kind of despot dictator.

00:50:49.160 I don't know.

00:50:51.140 I don't know.

00:50:51.920 I don't know.

00:50:52.580 I just, well, I originally, I thought I was like, maybe I'll be a comedian or something.

00:50:55.300 That was kind of, I just saw people doing this.

00:50:57.980 Uh, you know, I was on my couch watching, I think it was Owen Benjamin or somebody.

00:51:01.620 And he's like, here's a guy who's just talking to 5,000 people and he's just with a laptop.

00:51:06.560 I was like, damn, that's, that's something like that.

00:51:09.220 I could do that.

00:51:09.920 You know, I couldn't, you know, why not?

00:51:11.540 We'll give that a shot.

00:51:12.440 And I did that for a little while.

00:51:13.380 And now it's just become, yeah.

00:51:15.380 Like there's a whole, there's a whole bunch of these people.

00:51:17.280 Now there's thousands of people.

00:51:18.100 There's some of these guys are selling these sold like three or 400 of these flags now all over

00:51:21.060 the country.

00:51:21.440 And people are, you know, meeting up and making friends and everything.

00:51:24.020 Hold on, that's not from the kit shop?

00:51:26.540 This one, no.

00:51:27.520 This one, yeah, this, this gun over here.

00:51:30.480 You get that name.

00:51:31.100 You sell those?

00:51:31.920 That's from our kit shop.

00:51:32.980 Yeah, that's, uh, yeah.

00:51:34.020 Frank, uh, Blackbird Industries actually makes them and sells them out.

00:51:37.640 And Frank buys them in bulk and mails them to people if they want them.

00:51:40.640 And I don't know, it'd just be a cool thing.

00:51:42.180 You could see, like, if you see that out in public, it'd be like seeing a battalion banner

00:51:44.840 or something like that.

00:51:45.540 You'd be like, oh, you'd automatically know you have a lot in common with this person.

00:51:48.520 And I thought that would be kind of a, that's a cool thing to, you know, an easy thing to

00:51:52.160 do for people.

00:51:52.920 And yeah, I don't really have a, I'm not really a guy with a plan.

00:51:57.440 I'm like more like a dog chasing cars, you know?

00:51:59.920 I don't know.

00:52:01.300 Same way, man.

00:52:02.340 I'm the same way.

00:52:03.540 But eventually if you chase cars long enough, you kind of get to the 401 and you're like,

00:52:08.720 I'm going this way to Toronto.

00:52:10.760 Yeah.

00:52:11.240 It's kind of, I don't know where it's going, but it's going somewhere.

00:52:13.300 And I didn't know what to do for a couple of, and it was bad.

00:52:15.620 Like it was kind of, I was kind of in a tailspin there for a little while.

00:52:18.520 I think that happens to a lot of guys when they lose.

00:52:20.400 Cause that was my whole life.

00:52:21.420 That was my whole, I joined the military when I was 16 or 17 and that's all I ever wanted

00:52:25.800 to do.

00:52:26.320 Once I understood that that was something that existed when I was like 10 or 11, like I saw

00:52:31.140 like a war movie or something.

00:52:32.340 And I'm like, this is a thing.

00:52:33.480 And they're like, yeah.

00:52:34.200 And I'm like, I want to do that.

00:52:35.660 I need to do that for some reason.

00:52:38.080 And I couldn't, you know, I was just sucked into it.

00:52:40.100 And then, uh, then it was like, I thought I was going to be in there until I was dead.

00:52:43.480 You know, I was like, I'm signing a 50 year contract.

00:52:45.300 They'll replace my body parts with machines.

00:52:47.320 I don't care.

00:52:47.740 I'll just stay in here forever.

00:52:48.740 It'll be my head in a jar or whatever you want to do.

00:52:51.000 And then it, you know, wear and tear and you have the issues and everything that happens.

00:52:54.660 You run out of gas.

00:52:55.260 I used to say like the guys, like everybody's got an expiry date.

00:52:57.580 Like some people can do it forever.

00:52:59.320 Some guys do it 30, 40 years.

00:53:00.640 Other guys can do it for five or 10.

00:53:01.980 And they're just like, I can't, I just, I'm out of gas, man.

00:53:04.000 And when you're out of gas, you're out of gas.

00:53:06.220 You can take a break.

00:53:06.920 And if it comes back, it does, if it doesn't, it doesn't, but then I was like, well, now

00:53:10.360 what do I do?

00:53:11.420 It took a while, you know, I'm lucky.

00:53:13.020 I found this, but it's not, unfortunately it's a lot of guys end up just, uh, you know,

00:53:16.520 they, they deploy to a, what did somebody say?

00:53:18.660 They deployed a fob, uh, you know, Ford operating base, living room couch and, you know, go on

00:53:23.240 beer drinking operations.

00:53:25.180 And the next thing you know, they're dead or something.

00:53:26.780 And it's, uh, it's a, it's hard, you know, to replace something that significant.

00:53:30.460 Cause it's not just a job.

00:53:31.780 So you're not just like, uh, I show up eight to five and I, you know, it's cars or whatever.

00:53:35.840 It's like my entire identity is wrapped up in the, in, in all of this.

00:53:38.740 This is who I am.

00:53:39.520 You know, if I'm not, I'm not master corporal McKenzie, who the fuck am I?

00:53:42.920 I don't know.

00:53:43.760 And it's like, that's fuck.

00:53:45.280 I don't know.

00:53:46.460 No, it was, I'm, I'm lucky.

00:53:47.720 Uh, Hey, you should, you should see if there's a position for like the R and R hotels and like,

00:53:56.400 uh, you know, wherever, see if there's a, see if there's a requirement, some, maybe you

00:54:02.460 can get in there and work the R and R hotel.

00:54:04.980 That's a good deal.

00:54:06.100 That would, that would be, that would be juicy.

00:54:07.860 I doubt the government would allow that.

00:54:10.180 I don't know if they approve too much of my positions on a lot of, you know, basically

00:54:13.140 call them, calling them scum all the time and lying bastards and this and that.

00:54:17.860 I don't know.

00:54:18.600 I don't know if VAC would approve that, but I don't know.

00:54:21.200 You never know.

00:54:22.080 They don't pay attention.

00:54:23.080 They may have no idea.

00:54:23.820 We've been paying this guy for how long?

00:54:28.720 Probably, you should probably apply.

00:54:30.220 You never know.

00:54:30.800 Might have yourself a good deal there.

00:54:32.360 Yeah.

00:54:32.740 Maybe not.

00:54:33.660 Yeah.

00:54:34.560 Yeah.

00:54:34.920 That would be fun.

00:54:35.960 Something to do anyway.

00:54:37.740 Oh, do you watch, uh, I was thinking that too.

00:54:40.120 Do you watch a lot of like, um, cause I was, I was just thinking like, cause I was a kid,

00:54:43.320 I was just drawn into this and like, just to war movies and the whole culture of it.

00:54:46.840 Like, was it something you like play the video that I played earlier?

00:54:49.660 Were you just like, you were just like, I just walked by the recruiting center and just went

00:54:52.360 in, that's just like, I just felt like doing it.

00:54:56.340 It's here's the thing with my kind of war history.

00:55:02.840 Uh, I, I, I didn't have that plan as a kid.

00:55:07.140 I did not.

00:55:08.300 Uh, I remember sitting in the bathtub when I was like, probably three years old with my brother

00:55:13.280 who was five and I remember still very clearly looking at my mother, who's German by the way,

00:55:21.640 and left the country, you know, and whose entire family was basically destroyed by the

00:55:29.260 war.

00:55:30.260 Uh, you know, she, she looked at us and she said,

00:55:33.700 I want you to be happy and I want you to do anything you want to do.

00:55:40.380 And I will be, I will support you.

00:55:43.120 And with anything you ever want to do in your life, just never be a soldier.

00:55:52.680 Something must have happened there.

00:55:55.140 Something must have happened.

00:55:57.000 Soldier, huh?

00:55:57.920 That's what you took away from this conversation was the last word.

00:56:00.760 The forbidden fruit, the forbidden fruit, but no, I, I didn't really, I mean, I wasn't

00:56:07.740 really into war movies, nothing like that.

00:56:10.780 My, uh, so, so like I said, my mother was, my mother's side of the family was German and,

00:56:17.800 uh, my father's side of the family was Canadian and, uh, and my father and my grandfather, it's

00:56:28.720 actually quite some interesting, they used to just fight war, like for hours, every second

00:56:42.880 Sunday, like every second Sunday, it was just war philosophy between the side of the Germans

00:56:51.280 and the side of the allied forces and it really meant a lot to them because they were, both

00:56:57.600 of them were deeply, deeply involved.

00:56:59.560 Um, and I, I would, you know, when you're a kid, you don't have to be involved in the

00:57:04.400 conversation.

00:57:05.020 If it's going on, you record everything, right?

00:57:08.860 Yeah.

00:57:09.100 So I must've kind of internalized a little bit of that and that's probably part of it,

00:57:14.960 but I had no, I had no plan to, I had, I had dreadlocks halfway, you know, past my shoulders

00:57:21.280 and I walked into the recruiting office and, and I got on course like immediately, like,

00:57:29.080 cause it just so happened.

00:57:30.000 The timing was perfect.

00:57:31.220 Yeah.

00:57:31.580 Well, you were like six foot five.

00:57:33.480 They're probably like, yep, get in here, send him to the airborne immediately.

00:57:37.140 You probably, you got in after that was probably over.

00:57:42.520 I think, did you?

00:57:43.100 I, so I got in, in 95, so, so it was interesting.

00:57:51.260 So, so I, so we did our basic training in Kingston.

00:57:55.920 Uh, so I was with the Prince of Wales.

00:57:58.020 That's a reserve unit in Kingston, not too far from where I grew up.

00:58:02.200 All the best guys start as reservists.

00:58:04.520 Oh yeah, absolutely.

00:58:06.080 Absolutely.

00:58:07.140 So, so I was, I was there, we did our summer, well, we did our QL two.

00:58:14.720 So our basic in Kingston, then we went to Petawawa and the airborne had just recently

00:58:21.140 been disbanded.

00:58:22.120 So our entire staff, uh, was all airborne guys.

00:58:27.060 So our QL three, so our basic training was taught by the disbanded airborne guys.

00:58:32.720 So it was incredible.

00:58:33.900 It was an incredible way for me to start, you know, having all these, you know, basically

00:58:39.220 the top of the military.

00:58:40.160 I'm teaching you a basic, right?

00:58:43.080 It's so important.

00:58:44.480 Like that I would get frustrated.

00:58:46.720 Like, cause I was like that, that would like, I'd always like beat myself up.

00:58:49.780 Like I want to do everything as perfectly as possible.

00:58:51.760 If I fucked anything up, I'd be like, God damn it.

00:58:53.520 And because I was aware, I was just so lucky with the guys that taught me coming in.

00:58:57.520 Like even some of the reserve guys were just like very, very switched on guys that really

00:59:01.200 cared, really went the extra mile all the time.

00:59:03.660 And like, really, it was like, I got like just laid out in front of me.

00:59:06.620 Like, here's the best way to do, I mean, and they put the effort in, like they were working

00:59:10.600 like night, 18 hour day, like not sleeping for days.

00:59:12.920 Cause they're doing lesson plans at four o'clock in the morning and they're just, you know,

00:59:15.360 and then they're going, I'm doing PT.

00:59:16.760 So it's like, you have that, or you could have had the fat lazy guy who checks out at

00:59:21.120 four 30 and you know, he's late to work and like, you could have either one.

00:59:25.280 And I had these excellent guys.

00:59:26.840 One of my first, uh, sex commanders I had in the, he was in the reserves.

00:59:29.900 He was doing his retirement, like on the way out was Brian.

00:59:32.620 He was a three VP guy.

00:59:34.160 He was a two commando guy.

00:59:35.220 And you know, all those guys were just, um, yeah, it was, it was so lucky to have like,

00:59:39.240 to be able to pick their brains and to learn from guys like that, that, you know, learn what's

00:59:43.060 the phrase, you know, learn from the people that know.

00:59:45.360 Um, and that was definitely those guys lucky.

00:59:48.600 Yeah.

00:59:49.060 Funny.

00:59:49.740 Uh, it was funny actually with me, the, the guy who was teaching me, uh, you know, T-bar,

00:59:56.800 uh, Barrett, uh, he was my Tim Barrett.

01:00:02.160 Great guy.

01:00:02.880 He's retired now.

01:00:04.200 Anyways, he was my, well, anyways, I don't, I probably shouldn't be saying names on this

01:00:11.840 show.

01:00:12.100 Anyways, he ended up, uh, sorry.

01:00:16.380 I'm sorry.

01:00:16.940 It's all good.

01:00:18.580 He's mad at you.

01:00:19.480 Not me.

01:00:21.020 Yeah, I know.

01:00:21.940 I know.

01:00:22.360 Uh, I'm saying sorry to him.

01:00:24.700 Yeah.

01:00:24.980 Okay.

01:00:25.200 If he's watching.

01:00:26.800 Uh, anyways, he was, he was my instructor on my basic, well, basic infantry.

01:00:34.760 So, yeah.

01:00:36.980 And just a super hardcore airborne dude, like, you know, follow the dude around basically.

01:00:43.520 And then it just so happened the way it kind of worked by some kind of fluke is we were

01:00:50.720 both on the same course, uh, getting down into the hill, same, same course.

01:00:59.040 Yeah.

01:00:59.540 So, so it was great, you know, like, so he's, we're, we're, we are now both students on the

01:01:05.760 next phase.

01:01:08.220 Awkward for him.

01:01:09.160 Tough.

01:01:09.800 Yeah.

01:01:10.280 No, no, no.

01:01:11.260 Tough, tough dude.

01:01:12.620 Tough, tough dude.

01:01:14.080 Yeah.

01:01:14.280 That was, uh, yeah, I, I had a, had a, had a little run with that.

01:01:17.860 It was, it's a tough, you know, people go to these, to these, uh, these tryouts and come

01:01:23.500 back and, and, you know, get ribbed by everybody like, Oh, you do all you quit in a day and you

01:01:28.260 know, all this stuff.

01:01:28.900 And I'm like, go, go try it.

01:01:31.500 Go see what it's like, man.

01:01:32.880 You don't know.

01:01:33.560 It's fucking no joke, man.

01:01:35.400 It's, uh, it's intense.

01:01:36.780 It's, it, it's got a reputation for a reason.

01:01:40.460 Lots of fun.

01:01:41.960 Seven easy days.

01:01:43.220 Seven easy days.

01:01:44.760 Chocolate cake and high fives.

01:01:46.740 Yeah.

01:01:47.180 Uh, a few of my friends, a few of my, a lot of my friends went and did that.

01:01:49.780 A few of them got in.

01:01:50.580 Uh, some of them didn't.

01:01:51.600 Uh, yeah, it's just, I always was drawn to that because I think because of, uh, I met

01:01:56.780 a few of those guys just by chance.

01:01:58.540 Again, um, we were doing like some pistol.

01:02:01.080 Some of these guys taught me how to shoot pistols and they taught me an interesting trick where

01:02:04.260 he was like, uh, I don't, yeah, I don't want to say the guy's name.

01:02:07.160 I don't know.

01:02:07.660 I'm sure I remember it now, but, uh, where you, you put the finger, the guy puts his finger

01:02:11.900 on your trigger finger and he's like, you just do everything else and let me do this.

01:02:15.740 And then you're, you're going to understand that the trigger control and everything.

01:02:18.700 Sights, sights, sights, sights.

01:02:20.220 Yep.

01:02:20.700 Yeah, exactly.

01:02:21.660 Right.

01:02:21.940 And, uh, I was like, oh, you know, so I got to learn and, uh, just the way they were.

01:02:26.540 And, uh, it was so different from the regular military where you've got these guys with

01:02:30.160 egos and, you know, I'm a fucking sergeant.

01:02:32.540 You address me.

01:02:33.340 And they're just like, hi, I'm Billy.

01:02:34.820 You know?

01:02:35.320 And it's like, this guy has every reason and every, you know, possible way to like brag and act like

01:02:40.880 a big shot and he does the exact opposite.

01:02:43.220 He's just a dude and he's very nice.

01:02:45.400 And you know what I mean?

01:02:45.980 And I was like, these, there's something different about these kinds of guys that I wanted, I

01:02:48.880 wanted to be around that and, uh, learn from those people.

01:02:51.680 And yeah, it was just, I was, uh, that's kind of why I was drawn to it.

01:02:54.620 You know, I just, those are like that, that, that, uh, I don't know, you know what I mean?

01:02:58.660 That tribe of dudes, you know what I mean?

01:03:00.100 I was like, that's, I want to go, I want to see what these guys are all about.

01:03:03.240 Don't regret any of it.

01:03:05.240 They're just special, you know?

01:03:07.880 Well, there's great, there's great people.

01:03:09.480 People, there's people all over the forces for sure.

01:03:12.780 Yeah.

01:03:13.260 Yeah.

01:03:13.920 It's, uh, it's an interesting time, especially in, especially on decompression.

01:03:18.400 We, if we don't talk about those, those days, your early twenties with too much money and

01:03:22.540 no sense, you know, I wonder if there's any, yeah, I'm not even going to ask.

01:03:30.600 I can't, I can't remember any of it.

01:03:32.400 Yeah.

01:03:34.620 Yeah.

01:03:35.020 Geez, man.

01:03:39.480 Yeah.

01:03:39.740 So, yeah.

01:03:40.300 When you got in a 96 and then, uh, you'd, so you just got out not too long ago then.

01:03:44.700 So I got out and I, I retired actually.

01:03:49.940 My 20 was done in, uh, the end of 96.

01:03:54.720 And I hung around for like, uh, not even a year in, uh, the reserve afterwards.

01:04:02.840 Oh, really?

01:04:03.600 But I did.

01:04:04.920 Yeah.

01:04:05.180 I hung around.

01:04:06.060 Like, so we have, we have, uh, a reserve anyways.

01:04:09.580 I, I, I, Oh, Oh, Roger.

01:04:11.280 Okay.

01:04:11.500 I thought you meant like a reserve reserve unit.

01:04:13.860 Like you went back to the reserves.

01:04:15.400 Like I thought about doing that and I was like, I couldn't do it.

01:04:18.020 Yeah.

01:04:18.580 No, I, you know, I, I didn't really want to leave at the time.

01:04:21.700 Like, you know, it was kind of strange, but, but I ended up realizing that, you know, doing

01:04:27.200 anything halfway just sucks for me.

01:04:30.500 It's just sucks.

01:04:31.520 I didn't.

01:04:32.320 And I felt like it was kind of being a bit of an anchor for, you know, my transition and,

01:04:37.960 you know, evolving into something different or new.

01:04:41.560 So I just kind of, I just, I caught it and I was like, okay, done, done.

01:04:48.160 Yeah.

01:04:49.780 Yeah.

01:04:50.020 It's scary for a lot of guys and they don't know what they're going to do.

01:04:53.880 Yeah.

01:04:54.580 Yeah.

01:04:54.860 Well, it's a big world.

01:04:55.640 It's a big world.

01:04:56.320 It is a lot, a lot of challenges.

01:04:58.380 It took me a while.

01:05:00.960 The, one of the interesting transitions for me mentally was, uh, at, at the beginning,

01:05:07.060 I kind of viewed retirement as a vacation or retirement, you know, like my work was done.

01:05:17.540 Yeah.

01:05:18.100 Which, in, which is really, uh, not that much fun, right?

01:05:23.380 It's really not that much fun just to be idols.

01:05:26.040 So it took me a while to remember all the good stuff about what I learned in the forces

01:05:32.140 and just how to reapply that to something new.

01:05:35.200 Um, all the same stuff, all the same stuff.

01:05:38.100 You can, all the lessons, everything.

01:05:39.960 Yeah.

01:05:40.580 You know, is worth even so much more in, in the big world, in the big world.

01:05:45.260 You can, yeah.

01:05:46.940 Take that level of dedication, that level of focus to anything.

01:05:49.860 You're going to, you're going to be just fine.

01:05:51.700 Yeah.

01:05:52.280 That's, I mean, yeah.

01:05:53.080 You learn a lot about life and yourself doing those kinds of jobs where you get to push

01:05:56.220 yourself.

01:05:56.560 And that's where you learn the most was when you suffer and fail and, you know, have to

01:06:01.060 have to push horribly, you know, and, uh, you know, Rogan's talked about that.

01:06:04.960 And, you know, my friend Derek says, you know, you'd like you, you don't really, you're

01:06:07.500 not living unless you're going beyond your comfort zone.

01:06:09.420 If you stay comfortable forever, you're just dying, you know, and, uh, you probably

01:06:12.400 know who David Goggins is.

01:06:13.500 You ever follow or read any of his stuff or.

01:06:16.240 Love that guy.

01:06:17.160 Yeah.

01:06:18.220 Isn't he, you want to watch?

01:06:20.380 I said, what a killer.

01:06:21.640 What a killer.

01:06:22.260 Oh man.

01:06:22.980 It's just, I read, I listened, well, I listened to his book on stay hard, stay hard.

01:06:26.600 Stay hard.

01:06:27.160 You know, he's out, I'm just, this guy's a machine.

01:06:29.440 And, uh, I knew he was, but I, I didn't, I had his book on tape and I listened to it last

01:06:33.820 time I drove out here from Halifax.

01:06:35.100 And it was just like, by the time I got to Winnipeg, I was like, this guy is on another

01:06:39.240 level.

01:06:39.740 This guy's something else, man.

01:06:41.940 And, uh, yeah, it was just his whole life experience.

01:06:44.060 Crazy.

01:06:44.340 But yeah, just, uh, pushing yourself through those, you know, if you stay calm, what do

01:06:49.080 you say?

01:06:49.260 If you're, if you're not getting better, you're getting worse.

01:06:51.480 You know, if you're not pushing yourself, you're not, uh, you just stay comfortable.

01:06:54.080 You're just dying.

01:06:54.920 You're not doing anything.

01:06:55.960 You're decaying really.

01:06:56.860 So, you know, at any age, and he's like, now I fucking, now he's a fireman.

01:07:00.940 He was a seal forever.

01:07:01.920 And he did all the ultra marathon stuff.

01:07:03.620 He's like, now I'm a, he does these extreme firefighting, uh, like the guys they send out

01:07:07.520 to the, he's probably doing that right now is all the wildfires in California.

01:07:10.140 They'll send these guys out there to do that stuff.

01:07:12.040 And, you know, yeah, it's not fun to just sit around.

01:07:14.980 I did that for a little while.

01:07:15.880 And I had kind of the same idea.

01:07:16.940 It's like, well, you know, I'm, uh, I'm okay.

01:07:19.240 I get a pension.

01:07:20.040 I can just sit here and watch TV.

01:07:21.680 And I was like, that was fun for a couple months.

01:07:23.640 And then it was like, this is the rest.

01:07:25.280 This is what I'm doing for the rest of the time.

01:07:26.740 This sucks.

01:07:27.880 This is boring.

01:07:28.780 You know, it's, um, you know, you know, about my pumpkin stuff.

01:07:32.660 I know, I know there's, there's something, something going on with you with pumpkins.

01:07:36.220 What's that about?

01:07:38.060 Do you know, do you know anything about growing pumpkins?

01:07:41.120 Not really.

01:07:42.620 I know.

01:07:43.100 I've never heard of giant pumpkins or growing giant pumpkins.

01:07:47.220 No.

01:07:48.720 Okay.

01:07:49.120 Well, you must, you must know about giant pumpkins.

01:07:54.640 Um, they exist.

01:07:56.100 Yeah.

01:07:56.360 I'm aware of them.

01:07:57.920 So do you know how they, do you know how they grow a giant pumpkin?

01:08:00.840 No.

01:08:02.260 Okay.

01:08:02.700 Well, so a pumpkin, do you know about a pumpkin plant, like a pumpkin vine?

01:08:07.040 You ever grow them or anything?

01:08:08.560 I've seen, I've seen them.

01:08:09.580 I know what you mean.

01:08:10.420 There's, there's many pumpkins on the vine.

01:08:13.220 Right.

01:08:14.400 Right.

01:08:14.760 So to grow a giant pumpkin, you actually have to pinch off.

01:08:19.120 Every single flower, except for one.

01:08:21.800 Oh, so it steals all the resources.

01:08:25.100 Everything.

01:08:25.900 Okay.

01:08:27.400 All in.

01:08:29.440 All in.

01:08:30.380 This is it.

01:08:30.840 This is it.

01:08:31.920 That was, I think it was Gog is talking about that as well.

01:08:34.340 He's like, if you don't, if you have a safety net too, um, you know, if you're doing something

01:08:39.080 difficult, if you like, well, I have a plan B.

01:08:41.000 He's like, I had no fucking plan B.

01:08:42.540 Cause if you do, and it gets hard, you're going to be tempted to go, I'll just do the

01:08:46.680 other thing.

01:08:47.360 You know, it's easy.

01:08:48.220 I'll just, I'll, I'll fall on my safety net.

01:08:50.260 But if you don't have one, you're for like, you're, you're all in, you're committed to

01:08:53.460 this.

01:08:53.680 Like, this is it.

01:08:54.440 I have to do this.

01:08:55.360 And there's no other way out.

01:08:56.420 You're going to get your best effort out of that.

01:08:58.080 You know what I mean?

01:08:58.560 Maybe you fail.

01:08:59.180 You don't, but that you couldn't have possibly tried harder because there was, there's no

01:09:02.620 other choice.

01:09:03.160 You've got no other option.

01:09:04.000 Right.

01:09:04.860 I thought that was interesting.

01:09:07.260 Yeah.

01:09:08.240 So physically, like, I mean, you live your life a whole bunch of different ways.

01:09:12.660 There's a lot of things going on, but physically the physical expression of my being, when it

01:09:19.060 comes to the giant pumpkin theory right here, the hands, just not, not hands, plural hand

01:09:27.660 one hand at all about the hand for the arm wrestling, just this one, just the right, right

01:09:32.860 hand.

01:09:33.140 Yeah.

01:09:33.780 That's it.

01:09:34.480 So for the past two years, basically the only exercise that I've done is to strengthen my

01:09:42.820 right hand.

01:09:44.020 It's.

01:09:44.860 And, and pancakes, a lot of pancakes.

01:09:47.180 Is this, is this an, this is before you were, this is during your off season.

01:09:51.220 Are you, are you assuming by your, no, man, that's, that's peak season right there.

01:09:55.260 That is.

01:09:57.660 Hey, we're not bodybuilders.

01:10:00.540 We don't have to look good.

01:10:01.920 We just have to be able to perform, you know, like pancakes, pancakes have changed the arm

01:10:07.880 wrestling industry, man.

01:10:09.520 Everybody is pancaking out these days.

01:10:11.800 Oh, you're pretty lean in this picture.

01:10:13.180 I don't know if that's, I don't know if this is all pancakes.

01:10:15.260 I naturally am a skinny guy.

01:10:17.400 Like I'm a skinny guy by design, but let me tell you, I wasn't that guy on May 28th.

01:10:25.660 No, you were a huge, I was not.

01:10:29.400 Yeah, that was great.

01:10:30.620 And it was fun to watch too.

01:10:32.020 That was nothing.

01:10:32.560 It was like, you're so good at it.

01:10:33.880 It's fun to watch anybody.

01:10:34.980 That's really good at anything.

01:10:37.120 I like, that's why people get drawn into certain sports.

01:10:39.680 I was just thinking about this, like, like Michael Jordan, maybe like if you don't even

01:10:42.800 like basketball, but just to watch somebody be so dominant at something is just satisfying

01:10:46.900 to watch.

01:10:47.760 You're like, man, that guy's really good at whatever that is.

01:10:50.220 You know, and it's just fun to watch somebody.

01:10:52.020 It's like arts, you know, in a way.

01:10:53.480 And you just, it was just wild.

01:10:54.940 I was pulling, I was hoping you'd win and it was just, yeah, it was just crushed and crushing

01:10:59.740 nomination.

01:11:00.460 It was fun to watch.

01:11:01.860 It felt kind of bad for the other guy, actually.

01:11:05.440 Yeah, a little bit.

01:11:07.020 Somebody in the YouTube chat was just like, does Devin know the monster?

01:11:11.460 Like, yeah, I think he knows him quite well.

01:11:12.960 Isn't that who you just beat for this?

01:11:14.700 He said he was just watching him on Duck Dynasty or something.

01:11:18.760 Is that where it was?

01:11:19.720 That's right.

01:11:20.400 Yeah.

01:11:20.920 Michael's a great guy.

01:11:22.620 He's, Michael and I have a very long history.

01:11:26.140 He's, he's like me.

01:11:27.200 He's been arm wrestling, you know, for 30 years or something crazy.

01:11:30.260 And yeah, we've got, we've got a little bit back and forth.

01:11:33.820 He's beat me.

01:11:34.520 I beat him now.

01:11:35.460 So yeah, but this last time I crushed him.

01:11:40.720 I crushed him this last one.

01:11:42.740 It's kind of fun.

01:11:43.580 It's funny watching because it's like pro wrestling in a way.

01:11:45.980 Cause you guys are like, so mean, like it's, it's really like, it's a battle, you know?

01:11:50.320 And I, there was one, and it turns out, I guess you guys are good friends, I guess by

01:11:53.420 your Instagram, Matt Mask, the other guy, he's from Alberta, I think.

01:11:56.820 And the one, one of the ones I watched, you were just like, he was struggling so hard

01:12:01.660 and you were like, no, I'm choosing not to end this yet.

01:12:03.900 You're like, I want you to remember this.

01:12:06.120 I was like, oh.

01:12:08.820 Yeah.

01:12:09.180 Well, I mean, when we actually, so like the community, like most of us know each other.

01:12:15.480 Most of us are friends.

01:12:17.120 But as soon as we have a match set norm, well, it depends on a lot of guys are friends with

01:12:22.840 each other the whole way through.

01:12:23.700 But I always choose to, as soon as I have a match with somebody, I'm like, okay, we're

01:12:28.040 going to fight now.

01:12:29.260 You're cool with fighting me.

01:12:30.440 Yes.

01:12:30.880 Okay.

01:12:31.100 I'm cool with fighting you.

01:12:32.160 Okay.

01:12:32.620 Let's do it.

01:12:33.440 Yeah.

01:12:33.700 Fight for me.

01:12:34.460 Starts, starts months before we ever.

01:12:37.420 Yeah.

01:12:37.640 Like as soon as they say the fight is set, you know, I'm, you might not even know it yet,

01:12:42.280 but I'm fighting you.

01:12:44.220 You've got like a, do you put like a picture up of them in your bedroom and you know,

01:12:47.460 I have, I tell you, like my psychologist probably needs to do a lot of work with me because I

01:12:54.840 spend way too much time thinking about people.

01:12:59.300 I love that though.

01:13:00.720 Cause it's like, uh, it, there's so much power in that.

01:13:03.640 Cause it's like, um, it's also like kind of a defense mechanism, maybe in a way that where

01:13:08.300 you're like, if you're focused on someone else, you don't have time to like second guess

01:13:12.200 and doubt yourself.

01:13:13.300 You know, I think that plagues a lot of their confidence chips away.

01:13:16.080 And I don't know if I can do this.

01:13:17.180 So, you know, the, the thoughts that creep in there where it's like, no, I don't have

01:13:19.620 time for that.

01:13:20.100 I'm too busy focused on destroying this person and trying to, and analyzing them and sorry.

01:13:25.960 Yeah.

01:13:26.840 Target fixation.

01:13:28.140 Right.

01:13:28.520 Yeah.

01:13:28.860 And trying to, trying to look for weaknesses.

01:13:31.960 That's it.

01:13:32.640 Just watch closely.

01:13:35.460 It's interesting what you learn, you know, if you focus in any field, you know, it's yeah.

01:13:40.940 And the truth always go over and over and what you can pull into something is

01:13:47.140 simple as the sport of arm wrestling.

01:13:49.080 Like I feel like I've learned a lot of psychology through the sport of arm wrestling, you know,

01:13:55.240 because the last probably, uh, well, I'd say I've really, I've really gotten active with

01:14:01.620 it since I've retired.

01:14:02.640 Like before my retirement, like I did it, but not the way I have, you know, the last few

01:14:07.460 years, uh, you know, the, the, the mental stuff beforehand, like if you can understand

01:14:13.860 a person, you can start to understand how to best attack them mentally.

01:14:21.160 Uh, a lot of people are very similar, you know, some people actually, some people, some people

01:14:30.480 actually respond to straight up, you know, threats and bullying and, you know, a lot

01:14:34.860 of people, a lot of people do, but, but actually a lot of people who are really good at stuff,

01:14:38.880 as soon as they face that, it actually makes them stronger.

01:14:42.480 Like if you try and bully, threaten, you know, a guy who's really a bad-ass, normally what

01:14:48.800 you do is you make him more powerful.

01:14:50.720 I see that as a challenge.

01:14:52.720 Yeah.

01:14:53.040 It's like, Oh really?

01:14:54.440 Yeah.

01:14:54.680 It's like, don't wake the sleeping giant, you know, just pissing them off now.

01:14:58.020 Yeah.

01:14:58.280 It's interesting.

01:14:59.180 It's a very common psychology.

01:15:01.440 It's very common, especially if you give someone enough time, like if you start to approach

01:15:07.380 someone like, you know, if you, if you basically start threatening someone months before an

01:15:14.060 event, like there might be that initial kind of fear reaction, but then they're going to

01:15:19.660 start to plan and get ready.

01:15:20.980 And, you know, you know, um, you know about the Mongols, right?

01:15:27.780 Oh yeah.

01:15:29.240 Yeah.

01:15:30.240 Right.

01:15:30.820 And you know how the Chinese beat the Mongols.

01:15:33.300 Do you know how they did it?

01:15:38.320 No, actually I don't.

01:15:40.540 Just before.

01:15:42.660 They, they, they, they basically let them come into their castles.

01:15:46.500 They fed them.

01:15:47.540 They didn't fight them.

01:15:48.480 They let them have their women.

01:15:51.080 And then before you knew it, they weren't Mongols anymore.

01:15:55.760 Ah, they converted them.

01:15:59.000 Well, they just softened them up.

01:16:00.320 They just gave them everything that they wanted.

01:16:01.800 Oh, I see what you mean.

01:16:02.780 Yeah.

01:16:03.080 They took away the Spartan of, you know, the, the, what's where their strength came from

01:16:06.600 and they've fattened them up and soften them up.

01:16:09.540 Yeah.

01:16:10.120 And, and a lot of, a lot, I find a lot of people that I encounter, like a lot of the

01:16:15.280 champions, a lot of the champion mindsets are from overcoming from, from, you know, from

01:16:22.480 rising through from beating adversity.

01:16:26.080 And when you kind of take all that away.

01:16:29.760 Yeah.

01:16:30.900 You know what I mean?

01:16:31.740 You need to, you need to struggle.

01:16:33.600 My buddy, Pat was talking, we were talking about, uh, McGregor and he, when he was, he's

01:16:36.860 been not, he's not the same guy as he was before.

01:16:38.620 I don't know if you follow fighting a lot, uh, UFC or whatever.

01:16:41.300 And he's like, he's like classic, you know, defeated by silk sheets, sleeping in silk sheets.

01:16:45.840 You know, he's too successful.

01:16:48.000 Now he's like that, that, that, you know, intensity that he used to bring to the hunger to, to win

01:16:53.440 is now like, well, you know, I've got a hundred million dollars, you know, fighting for a hundred

01:16:57.600 grand isn't super important anymore.

01:16:59.540 Not as much as it was.

01:17:00.580 I don't really feel like now he's getting his leg snapped in half for, you know, whatever

01:17:03.560 it was he got paid for that fight.

01:17:04.680 But yeah, it's interesting that, uh, I, I like, it's kind of, uh, I like the mental

01:17:10.460 battle aspect of it too.

01:17:11.700 Like when you, when you guys are doing the arm wrestling, like the, the struggle back

01:17:14.420 and forth, cause it's like, you're someone's mentally challenged, like coming at you while

01:17:19.060 you're being physically punished.

01:17:20.460 Like you're getting tired and it starts to hurt and, you know, and somebody's on top of

01:17:23.760 you.

01:17:23.920 So it's like that kind of, it's similar to like the, uh, like the selection phase, you know,

01:17:28.000 stuff like that.

01:17:28.480 And then it's stuff like that in the military where it's like, now that you're in, now that you're

01:17:32.160 really hurting now, I'm going to apply some mental pressure to you and see how much worse

01:17:35.920 I can make this for you.

01:17:36.640 Like, I love those strong, you know, like that's where, that's where you really find

01:17:39.640 out what somebody is made of.

01:17:40.640 Then when you really like dump it right on them, right when they're at their lowest is

01:17:44.040 like, let's let's fucking see what you got now.

01:17:46.340 And then it's, that's the time to do it.

01:17:48.960 That's the time to do it.

01:17:50.260 Like that can be the thing that pushes a guy over the edge.

01:17:54.220 Once they're in the fight, once it's too late to adjust, it's just an extra thing that

01:18:00.540 you can throw at them.

01:18:01.620 So yeah, that's why when I, when I'm actually fighting, like at the table right away, if

01:18:09.560 I see an opportunity, I will start to talk and it's so powerful.

01:18:15.240 If you can do it properly, you can being ahead is nice.

01:18:21.680 And, and, and if you can get ahead and then start laying the, the talk down, it's, it's

01:18:29.620 very easy to convince a person that they have no chance.

01:18:32.880 Yeah.

01:18:34.280 Yeah.

01:18:34.700 That's funny.

01:18:35.340 Yeah.

01:18:35.720 You just beat them mentally.

01:18:37.560 You know,

01:18:37.840 it's good times.

01:18:39.720 Good times.

01:18:40.220 Makes you feel, makes you feel like a good person.

01:18:44.500 I've just, I want to destroy you mentally.

01:18:46.780 That would, that's preferred.

01:18:48.320 That's my preferred method of destruction.

01:18:50.100 I don't want to just beat you.

01:18:51.180 I want you, I want you to like doubt yourself as a man.

01:18:53.560 That's what I would prefer.

01:18:54.540 Hey, I'm only sharing what I received for years and years and years.

01:19:01.180 So it's just, it's just the balancing of energy.

01:19:04.440 Hmm.

01:19:04.920 Yeah.

01:19:05.120 I'm just giving, I'm just giving back to the universe.

01:19:07.280 Yeah.

01:19:07.600 That's all it is.

01:19:08.780 That's all it is.

01:19:09.900 Oh man.

01:19:10.700 That was so good when you, uh, these are all, I've got some of them on here.

01:19:13.520 Yeah.

01:19:13.660 One more year.

01:19:14.340 These are great.

01:19:14.840 This is on YouTube.

01:19:15.920 It's the, is it the top 10 or top five?

01:19:18.000 There's, there's Matt there.

01:19:19.540 Is this the one you're like, I want you to remember this.

01:19:21.840 Yeah, well that was, so this is round one of that match, but yeah.

01:19:26.860 Yeah.

01:19:27.120 I'm, I'm saying one more year, one more year because we've got a long, long history.

01:19:32.680 Matt and I as well.

01:19:33.960 And yeah, he's fully capable of beating me.

01:19:37.120 He didn't, I wasn't even going to pin him, right?

01:19:39.000 So he fouled out.

01:19:40.600 Yeah.

01:19:40.940 I think he, is he from Alberta?

01:19:43.220 He is.

01:19:43.940 Well, he's actually from Simmons, but yeah, he's a, yeah, he's a rigger.

01:19:47.900 So he's.

01:19:48.200 Oh yeah.

01:19:48.700 Okay.

01:19:49.300 Yeah.

01:19:50.960 Hilarious.

01:19:51.840 Yeah.

01:19:53.040 Yeah.

01:19:53.800 Crazy.

01:19:54.220 Great sport.

01:19:55.340 That's a lot of fun to watch.

01:19:56.540 I'm surprised at how much fun it was to watch.

01:19:58.700 Yeah.

01:19:58.900 I'm way too strong.

01:19:59.800 Well, get involved, man.

01:20:01.460 Go up there.

01:20:02.300 Get on the, get on the, get on the, get on the, find people for ripping.

01:20:05.400 How do the weight classes work?

01:20:07.420 There's a weight class for everybody.

01:20:09.120 Yeah.

01:20:09.420 Like what are they, how are they broken down?

01:20:11.220 You're in the ultra, super, mega heavyweight division, I think.

01:20:14.140 Yeah.

01:20:14.540 I'm in the pancake division.

01:20:15.780 The pumpkin division.

01:20:17.460 Sometimes.

01:20:17.780 So I'm in, I'm, I'm in a kind of special spot where, you know,

01:20:21.480 if I want to be a little bit more responsible, I can cut down to like heavyweight.

01:20:26.900 So I can, like, if I want to run and be in good shape and, you know, make my wife happy,

01:20:33.440 I can probably be a hundred kilo.

01:20:35.600 Important.

01:20:35.960 Yeah.

01:20:37.760 Yeah.

01:20:38.360 But if I want to be just like the best I can possibly be on as an arm wrestler, then I

01:20:42.940 just, you know, yeah, my face gets round and going for the power.

01:20:47.880 Yeah.

01:20:48.560 I always, I'm always just like, I don't know.

01:20:50.580 I, I, I fly back and forth.

01:20:51.880 It's like, should I lose 10 pounds or gain 10 pounds?

01:20:54.320 And I'd never do either.

01:20:55.160 I just stay exactly the same.

01:20:56.460 I'm like, you gotta, you gotta, you gotta have goals.

01:20:59.140 You gotta go.

01:20:59.680 You gotta have a mission of some kind.

01:21:01.960 Yeah.

01:21:02.200 I change like every day, like I'm going to run today.

01:21:04.000 And then the tomorrow I'll be like, no, I'm going to eat 6,000 calories and do deadlifts

01:21:07.520 all day.

01:21:07.880 I don't, I don't know what I'm doing.

01:21:09.740 Yeah.

01:21:10.600 Normally every five or 10 kilos.

01:21:13.300 So like every, you know, every 10 pounds or so there's, there's a weight division that

01:21:16.700 you can find.

01:21:17.300 And the tournaments are all different.

01:21:19.380 Like you can find, but basically.

01:21:22.560 Yeah.

01:21:23.040 I mean, if, if you're anything under 220 pounds, there's a division, you know, every 10 or

01:21:29.720 10 or 15, 20 pounds.

01:21:31.720 I've got the classic, I was told alien hands.

01:21:35.720 When I was trying to learn how to shoot, I've got this small hands, long fingers problem.

01:21:39.320 So I've got these long, it's a pain in the head.

01:21:42.940 Yeah.

01:21:43.380 Use the finger strength maybe to, uh, yeah.

01:21:45.880 Well, it's a, you can shut a person down and the further you wrap around it, this whole

01:21:49.680 sports, it's all hands.

01:21:51.620 It's interesting how technical it is.

01:21:53.140 I was, you know, it's fun to watch.

01:21:54.540 It's like, I, you know, you know, something else to something else to enjoy and it's good.

01:21:58.420 You know, the community building, like you said, you've been doing it.

01:22:00.240 Yeah.

01:22:00.440 And what's it called?

01:22:01.820 Uh, in Canada, I almost wanted to say hookers.

01:22:05.480 Busters.

01:22:06.000 Jeez.

01:22:07.480 Hookers.

01:22:09.600 Well, we're, we are called the Ottawa high hookers.

01:22:12.200 That's our name.

01:22:12.940 Oh, maybe that, maybe I saw it somewhere and that's why it's in my head.

01:22:16.280 Oh, it'd be that.

01:22:19.180 Oh, yeah.

01:22:19.700 Come on up and play.

01:22:20.980 Come on up and play.

01:22:22.180 Get, get wrecked.

01:22:23.340 Next time you pass through Ottawa, next time you pass through, you'll have to stop in and

01:22:27.620 I'll, whatever.

01:22:29.020 We'll definitely, definitely do that.

01:22:31.480 And I'll show you, show you some tricks.

01:22:33.140 Yeah.

01:22:33.480 There's a bunch of, some of the other, a lot of guys, there's a couple of guys in the

01:22:36.280 chat, I guess that knew, uh, I don't want to name their names, but those few, a few

01:22:39.700 of your buddies apparently are watching and a lot of other old, uh, old soldiers and stuff

01:22:44.280 around while war relish 89 says, hello from Merck and the relish family.

01:22:47.680 Pickley from Ontario says, see the great pumpkin does exist.

01:22:50.920 Oh, Charlie Brown.

01:22:51.860 It is.

01:22:52.240 It's his name is Devin.

01:22:55.500 Yeah.

01:22:55.940 The great pumpkin.

01:22:56.600 You give me, you give me like another 10 years on this, but I, I feel like, you know,

01:23:01.900 when you think about fitness, health and everything, I mean, most people are doing something similar.

01:23:09.160 A lot of people are generalists.

01:23:10.680 A lot of people are specialists in their sport, but I'm going like, I'm doing something really

01:23:15.320 weird now.

01:23:15.960 Like just one hand is all the homework for me.

01:23:19.420 It's it.

01:23:19.860 I'll still arm wrestle.

01:23:20.720 I'm not living in a wheelchair or anything yet, but I think in like 10 years, I think

01:23:27.420 that this is going to be a very fascinating experiment to unfold, share with people, you

01:23:31.960 know, I think I'll have, I'm hoping I look like Hellboy, you know, just one, just super

01:23:39.200 killer claw and the other, the rest of me is kind of normal.

01:23:41.920 Yeah.

01:23:42.240 Grab, grab my little hand, you know, are you, so you're right or left-handed you're cause

01:23:45.780 you won with, you're the champion with both arms and you're the only person to ever do

01:23:50.960 that.

01:23:51.220 I think, is that correct?

01:23:52.180 Well, I was the first person to do it.

01:23:54.120 Okay.

01:23:54.620 I was, yeah, I was the first person I'd say in modern, modern, like kind of recorded arm

01:23:59.280 wrestling to do it.

01:24:00.620 Uh, but once I did it, I feel like a whole bunch of guys did it.

01:24:05.100 Like, I feel like I was the first, yeah, that's how it goes.

01:24:08.180 Right.

01:24:08.980 It's the, uh, the, the Roger Bannister effect.

01:24:11.980 I was talking about that before.

01:24:12.740 Yeah.

01:24:12.940 The guy, nobody could run a four minute mile.

01:24:14.520 This guy does it and then everybody fucking does it all of a sudden.

01:24:16.880 So it's like, yeah, I feel like after I did it, like every super heavyweight champ was

01:24:21.260 like right and left.

01:24:22.500 There was this guy, Dennis Plankoff.

01:24:24.460 Then, uh, I think Andre Pushkar was one and one as well.

01:24:27.540 And now, I mean, it's probably LaVon is probably ranked number one, right and left in the world

01:24:32.500 too.

01:24:32.800 So, but yeah, I was, I was the first guy to, to break the ice and do kind of both.

01:24:38.260 But, but, but now at 40, so I did that when I was like early thirties.

01:24:43.200 So now I'm like, I don't think it's possible for me to have the energy to be on that level.

01:24:51.020 Uh, so yeah.

01:24:53.240 So now I've got pumpkin where I think I can be like at that level a little bit and I've

01:24:59.880 got party hand, party hands.

01:25:01.560 This is just around for fun.

01:25:02.780 That's what I call it.

01:25:05.640 Party hand, uh, you know, whatever.

01:25:07.920 I don't put any expectations, no stress, no nothing.

01:25:11.780 If, if no, whatever.

01:25:13.880 Um, just one giant arm, one giant hand and I will never lose.

01:25:20.140 I will never lose.

01:25:20.920 Right.

01:25:23.320 Fascinating experiment for me.

01:25:24.780 I think it's so much fun to try it because, because I don't think there's, I don't know

01:25:30.560 of many people who are trying this experiment.

01:25:32.600 Like, I don't see many people in this industry who are like, I'm just going to work out my

01:25:36.900 right calf.

01:25:37.760 That's it.

01:25:39.280 It's almost like a meme.

01:25:40.560 Like, it's a joke.

01:25:41.440 It's like, that was like, yeah, like the, it's like, oh, there's just one guy with one

01:25:44.320 huge hand and all like, but what if I did do that?

01:25:47.400 You know, that's funny.

01:25:48.680 Think about it.

01:25:49.380 And you're just like, why not?

01:25:50.360 I might as well.

01:25:51.040 Well, there's a, there's 7 billion people on the planet.

01:25:55.560 Like, why not, why not try this, try this one-off experiment to see what they, I'm actually,

01:26:02.020 I'm really fast.

01:26:03.080 I mean, like I say, I've worked out, I've been in love with fitness since I was a teenager.

01:26:07.660 And, and this, this last couple of years of playing with this theory, fascinating, fascinating.

01:26:14.600 Is it a rumor or is it true that both of your parents are Olympic athletes?

01:26:18.220 Is that a rumor?

01:26:18.840 Is it true?

01:26:19.260 Um, well, uh, it's, it's, it's not true.

01:26:26.980 There is some truth to it, but that's the thing with rumors is they normally start with

01:26:31.460 a little bit of truth and then they, uh, they turn into something.

01:26:35.880 Yeah.

01:26:36.060 My, my dad was a fairly high level wrestler.

01:26:40.000 My grandfather on my father's side, I think he still might hold some records out in Alberta

01:26:44.620 somewhere and running and, uh, and, uh, and my, uh, on my mother's side, my grandmother

01:26:52.380 was, uh, on the German Olympic team.

01:26:55.480 So, oh, wow.

01:26:56.100 So kind of true.

01:26:58.820 Back, back, back, back in, during the war times.

01:27:02.020 Yeah.

01:27:02.680 Oh, way, way back then, like in the forties.

01:27:04.500 Yeah.

01:27:06.180 Oh, wow.

01:27:07.080 That's fascinating that, uh, like you have family on both sides of that.

01:27:10.200 That's interesting.

01:27:10.700 And I guess a lot of guys probably do now because the, like the guys have been deployed to Germany

01:27:14.400 for so long.

01:27:15.100 They have tons of guys with German wives.

01:27:16.840 There's a guy, uh, in our battalion who he's, his father, his mother's German.

01:27:21.060 You know, there's, there's quite a few of those.

01:27:22.400 So there's, uh, it's, uh, and you get to hear these philosophical conversations back and

01:27:27.160 forth about, uh, about the whole thing.

01:27:28.700 That's fascinating.

01:27:29.580 And I, I always, uh, I felt bad for these guys a lot of ways because they don't get

01:27:34.440 anything.

01:27:35.480 Like, uh, I was in, uh, I was in Germany a while ago and there was an old guy there and

01:27:39.400 he was just telling about like, they don't, he's like, we don't have fuck all.

01:27:42.180 We don't have remembrance day, nothing.

01:27:43.880 It's just not talked about.

01:27:45.400 You don't, you don't have shit.

01:27:46.780 And it's like, how is just like warrior to warrior as a guy who like, I was just here

01:27:52.200 doing what I thought I was, you know what I mean?

01:27:54.260 I'm fighting for my country the same as anybody else.

01:27:56.200 And like, they don't even get afforded that basic respect.

01:27:58.420 Like that's, I mean, that feels wrong to me.

01:28:00.600 It's like this guy, he was a radio operator and whatever infantry division lost an arm

01:28:05.520 and then went home.

01:28:06.260 Like, what do you, the punishes, it just sucks.

01:28:08.560 You know, it's kind of sucks for them.

01:28:12.180 I can't imagine.

01:28:13.120 I'm trying to put myself in that position.

01:28:14.560 Like that would be awful.

01:28:15.840 It's like losing twice.

01:28:18.200 You don't want it like for the German side.

01:28:19.780 Yeah.

01:28:21.680 Yeah.

01:28:22.240 Well, Germany was destroyed.

01:28:23.840 Oh yeah.

01:28:24.780 They, well, I mean, then that's, that was the lesson.

01:28:26.880 Never lose.

01:28:27.540 If you're going to fight a war, do not lose because you're at the total mercy of whoever

01:28:33.160 defeats you.

01:28:34.300 And, uh, you better hope that it's as someone is benevolent as America, because if it's not,

01:28:38.880 um, you know, if it's the Soviet union, you're going to have a tough time.

01:28:42.680 You're going to have a bad time.

01:28:43.700 The Soviet union comes in and takes half your country and rapes all the women, you know,

01:28:48.160 and all the craziness that went on.

01:28:49.460 And, um, yeah, it's, I felt bad for those guys.

01:28:56.280 Yeah.

01:28:56.720 Just as, just, you know, like soldier to soldiers.

01:28:58.480 Like I can, and I like, I like, I was fascinated, like reading their books and stuff.

01:29:01.860 Um, I read one that was, uh, this guy was, um, he was, he was originally a truck driver

01:29:06.560 and then they remustered him to like an infantry, uh, division and, um, Guy Sager, he was French.

01:29:11.740 He was like a French L. Satchel Rain German.

01:29:13.380 He was like one of those half and half guys.

01:29:14.740 And, uh, and that forgotten soldier, it was called.

01:29:18.000 And just the sheer insanity of it.

01:29:20.960 Um, I was like that.

01:29:22.220 I like, I was like, guys should read these books because there's like a lot of awful shit

01:29:26.260 that happened overseas.

01:29:26.940 A lot of the dudes and stuff.

01:29:28.240 And if it's like, it helps put it into perspective.

01:29:29.720 It's like, things are bad, but like knowing how much worse it could be is almost like makes

01:29:34.840 you feel better.

01:29:35.540 It's like, Oh, well, you know, yeah.

01:29:37.340 You know, Oh seven was kind of bad, but it was not the fucking Ukraine pocket.

01:29:41.500 I'll tell you that right now.

01:29:42.800 Like some of those stories were just like, and, and being an infant, an infantryman,

01:29:47.000 like I can, like the stuff that he's describing, it's like, I've done a lot of these things.

01:29:50.500 Like just to, you know, my feet fucking hurt and I'm freezing and I'm hungry.

01:29:53.380 I'm like, yeah, I'm right there in the, in the hole in the ground.

01:29:55.820 And then he's like, um, there was one scene that was like, I got terrified reading it.

01:30:00.480 And he's like, uh, I was in a hole with this guy and there was a brand, a veteran guy.

01:30:05.100 They called him the veteran through the, cause he'd been in the, in the war since like 39.

01:30:08.340 And this guy was like there, he was like the, the old corporal of the section kind of thing.

01:30:12.800 And, uh, he came running back from the trench ahead of them because they could hear the

01:30:16.880 ground moving and shake.

01:30:17.980 Like they did their first four waves.

01:30:19.580 It was like, you know what I mean?

01:30:20.060 The Russians attack in four waves and it's over.

01:30:21.820 We, we did the four waves.

01:30:23.000 We survived.

01:30:23.500 We're like, thank God they're using the rocket artillery.

01:30:25.260 It's a nightmare.

01:30:26.220 Like, Oh, they're drinking wine.

01:30:27.500 Like finally, thank God it's over.

01:30:28.960 And then there's a fifth wave and he comes running back and he just jumps in and grabs them.

01:30:33.320 And he goes, there's a million of them run for your lives.

01:30:36.740 And then he looks and there's a, and they said the, in the after action report, the estimate

01:30:40.460 is what?

01:30:40.820 600,000 Russian soldiers.

01:30:42.200 It was like over a half a million with armor and the whole thing.

01:30:44.820 Just he's like, the ground was moving with that many people all running, screaming towards

01:30:48.360 you.

01:30:48.520 I'm like, that's insane.

01:30:50.000 So guys are like, you know, yeah, Afghanistan was, was kind of rough and sketchy, but like

01:30:54.320 then there's as, as extreme as this can get.

01:30:58.500 Yeah.

01:30:58.900 Not, not, not comparable.

01:31:00.740 No, no.

01:31:02.380 Afghanistan is probably more like enhanced police activity.

01:31:06.740 Hmm.

01:31:07.280 You know, it was different.

01:31:09.360 Yeah.

01:31:09.840 And there were similarities in that too, where they were always worried about, uh, because

01:31:12.760 I was like, well, Afghanistan was, you know, you could get hit anywhere, anytime.

01:31:15.640 And there's mines and booby traps.

01:31:17.360 Same thing happened to them.

01:31:18.340 It was like, there's Russian partisans literally everywhere.

01:31:20.920 Guys will go like, yeah, go back to the kitchen truck.

01:31:23.000 And then he goes back to the kitchen.

01:31:24.240 Never comes back.

01:31:24.940 Cause some guy grabbed him, dropped, dragged him into a bar and cut his head off.

01:31:27.860 And they're like, well, Fritz is gone.

01:31:30.380 So yeah, it's not compared.

01:31:33.600 No, it's not compared.

01:31:34.400 I always found it fascinating because it's just this craziest thing.

01:31:37.480 Like world war two is like basically the craziest thing that's ever happened.

01:31:40.240 The whole world was on fire for like five years.

01:31:42.380 Just the scale of it and the insanity of it.

01:31:44.700 Entire cities were erased.

01:31:46.280 Like.

01:31:47.540 Yeah.

01:31:47.940 I mean, I'm sure there's been crazier stuff.

01:31:50.120 If you can go back far enough, definitely in the last, you know, a hundred years, without

01:31:56.100 question, without question, definitely.

01:32:00.320 Just some of the stuff, like I meant, like the sky got dark.

01:32:03.060 Cause that many bombers came in and leveled the city, created a fire vortex.

01:32:06.480 So powerful.

01:32:07.060 It was dragging people down the street, pulling them into the fire.

01:32:09.840 Like just like literally nightmarish things that you can't even describe.

01:32:13.540 Like, how would you describe that to somebody?

01:32:15.660 Like how was, so that's why I think the real, like people are like, grandpa never talked

01:32:19.480 about the war.

01:32:20.300 It's like, how could you, how could you even explain these to somebody?

01:32:23.440 It's like, it was shitty.

01:32:24.580 That's all you need to know.

01:32:25.620 I can't even.

01:32:26.720 Yeah.

01:32:27.020 How do you describe something like that?

01:32:28.140 You know, my, uh, my grandmother's Danish, so I don't, I don't have a German, but, uh,

01:32:33.580 close and her mom, uh, has memories of that, you know, when they, uh, the occupation came

01:32:38.620 into Denmark and so on and family members on, you know, it's, it's crazy.

01:32:42.960 And it's, uh, it's a shitty thing.

01:32:45.240 Wars are shitty.

01:32:46.980 Yeah.

01:32:48.260 Well, let's hope we can avert one for the next little bit.

01:32:53.320 Yeah.

01:32:53.820 Till, till, yeah, if we're good, let's go another hundred years without doing that again,

01:32:57.180 because especially with the, everything we got now would just be devastating.

01:33:00.160 I don't think they're becoming, I don't think we'd be coming back.

01:33:02.300 Or at least, or at least let's decide to fight aliens or like sharks.

01:33:09.040 Yeah.

01:33:09.840 Dolphins.

01:33:11.100 Yeah.

01:33:11.500 How about we declare like a real war, like with as much effort as like World War II against

01:33:17.460 mosquitoes.

01:33:20.180 Genocide them.

01:33:21.360 Let it, let it be done.

01:33:23.200 Let it be done.

01:33:24.360 You serve no purpose.

01:33:27.520 Destroy them.

01:33:28.420 Like when you look at all the wars over the, the entire lifespan of, of the human race,

01:33:35.860 man, those, those mosquitoes, they got, they got this, it's gotta be payback.

01:33:42.080 Speaking of the, the Russians again.

01:33:44.200 Yeah.

01:33:44.360 They fucking, uh,

01:33:45.360 can we unite and destroy these creatures once and for all people, people would, but then

01:33:51.260 you'd have like the left-wing groups that would be like, we're, you know, people, hashtag

01:33:55.400 save the mosquitoes and you know, we're mosquito supremacists.

01:33:58.820 I'd say if we could get a 51% vote, maybe that's what we need.

01:34:03.260 We need a politician to come along to unite us all.

01:34:06.800 Yeah.

01:34:07.160 War against the mosquitoes.

01:34:08.760 We don't need everybody.

01:34:09.920 We just need enough.

01:34:11.220 Just need enough.

01:34:12.460 51%.

01:34:12.900 Just enough solid.

01:34:14.700 Yeah.

01:34:15.800 Bus full of nuns.

01:34:16.820 Thank man.

01:34:17.240 He says, has anyone asked if he is Batman?

01:34:20.080 I haven't, but I know that I've never seen Devin or Batman in the same place at the same

01:34:24.440 time.

01:34:24.740 So the onus is on him to prove that he's not Batman, you know, in my opinion.

01:34:33.540 Yeah.

01:34:34.140 Yeah.

01:34:34.640 I wish I could be that cool.

01:34:36.260 Can't, can't confirm or deny.

01:34:37.380 Yeah.

01:34:39.280 Yeah.

01:34:41.240 I don't know.

01:34:42.600 Um, anyway, I got, I got to, I got to get going.

01:34:46.460 Yep.

01:34:46.860 It's been awesome.

01:34:48.760 Yeah.

01:34:49.160 It was great, man.

01:34:50.560 Yeah.

01:34:51.880 Uh, come by when you're through Ottawa, give me a message.

01:34:56.080 I absolutely will do that.

01:34:57.380 Thanks a lot, man.

01:34:58.140 It's an honor and a privilege and a great, uh, great having you here and I appreciate it.

01:35:01.940 And, uh, you know, I'll say hi to you next time I run one of these streams here,

01:35:06.040 though, that you're, and, uh, you know, say hi again to your wife and,

01:35:08.760 uh, your kids and everything and, uh, take care of everybody.

01:35:10.940 And if you're in the, in the Canada area, one last time, what's it?

01:35:16.020 Busters getting there learning.

01:35:18.080 That's it.

01:35:19.040 That's it.

01:35:19.560 What was the address?

01:35:20.500 430.

01:35:22.060 420.

01:35:22.720 You can't forget 420.

01:35:24.160 I've had too much 420 that I forgot 420.

01:35:29.640 Don't forget 420 Hazeldeen.

01:35:32.020 420 Hazeldeen.

01:35:33.240 Go check it out.

01:35:34.820 Keep crushing it.

01:35:36.280 Cheers, man.

01:35:36.780 You too.

01:35:37.160 Thanks a lot.

01:35:40.680 Oh, and that's, that's going to do it for that.

01:35:42.900 Oh, awesome, man.

01:35:44.520 That was fun.

01:35:45.400 Um, great guy.

01:35:47.320 Love to, uh, always fun to talk to.

01:35:49.060 I love his Instagram.

01:35:49.960 Go, go check it out.

01:35:51.900 It's hilarious.

01:35:52.740 It's, uh, just very, um, you know, inspiring stuff.

01:35:56.500 I wanted to ask him about the pants.

01:35:57.860 I forgot about that.

01:35:58.700 I wonder if it gives him superpowers.

01:36:00.540 Cause he always, uh, competes with these, these, uh, multi-cam pants on.

01:36:04.000 I don't know if that's where he gets his power.

01:36:05.440 Could be the pumpkins.

01:36:06.360 Could be the pants.

01:36:07.140 Could be a lot of things.

01:36:07.940 And there's a giant hammer that he's won there.

01:36:10.460 Armbet.net is his, uh, website.

01:36:13.220 Uh, you can go there.

01:36:14.040 There's apps and stuff and you can download that and find people in your area that want to,

01:36:17.340 uh, want to fucking arm wrestle, you know?

01:36:19.940 Uh, why not?

01:36:21.160 You know, people are into it.

01:36:22.140 It's, it's, it's fun.

01:36:24.000 I don't find it.

01:36:25.580 Um, and it's interesting to talk to, uh, these guys and, you know, listen to what they have

01:36:29.580 to say and they're there.

01:36:31.100 Oh, what the hell's going on here?

01:36:32.040 Wrong one.

01:36:33.400 The, uh, the insight into, you know, just the, the warrior culture and the mindset and

01:36:36.560 everything like that.

01:36:37.080 That guy had seven tours.

01:36:38.200 Can you imagine?

01:36:39.340 You know, shot and blown up and the whole thing, man.

01:36:42.000 Um, that's one of our, that's one of our guys.

01:36:44.760 So, you know, honor and a privilege and my pleasure to have him here.

01:36:48.360 And I hope you guys enjoyed that.

01:36:50.040 Uh, private boomer says he's going to go get stuff done.

01:36:52.000 Now, you know, you probably should, uh, big Mac.

01:36:54.760 Glad you guys enjoyed it.

01:36:55.940 Everybody over there on YouTube.

01:36:57.380 Uh, uh, I'm Batman Cowboys fan is bad.

01:37:01.600 Okay.

01:37:02.100 Yeah.

01:37:02.380 And Trent dabs his Batman's arms.

01:37:04.000 Aren't that big?

01:37:05.240 Yeah.

01:37:05.420 Anyway, I'm, uh, I guess I'm going to take tomorrow off.

01:37:09.740 I think, uh, I was going to do maybe, I don't know.

01:37:13.500 I'm just, uh, I mean, it's a long weekend, you know, I want to, I want to do stuff too.

01:37:16.960 I need, I need a life guy.

01:37:18.080 I got things to do or things I want to do.

01:37:19.740 So, uh, I'll be, I'll be away tomorrow and I'll be back on Monday for whatever again, unless it's still abandoned, destroyed and deleted.

01:37:28.260 Like always, uh, or rage cast 157.

01:37:31.360 Is that what we're at now?

01:37:32.940 Something like that.

01:37:33.860 Uh, I don't know, you know, it's, uh, you know, you never know who's listening to it.

01:37:39.380 Isn't that cool?

01:37:40.860 It's, uh, it's a small world and, uh, it's an honor and a privilege again.

01:37:45.100 And, uh, to entertain you guys and be here to do this.

01:37:49.140 I'm very lucky.

01:37:50.080 And, uh, you know, just, uh, appreciate your time here.

01:37:53.500 Cause it's, it's limited.

01:37:54.780 You never know.

01:37:55.600 You never know when the, when the bell's going to ring for you.

01:37:58.540 So live your life to the fullest.

01:38:00.140 Uh, enjoy every minute of it.

01:38:01.620 And, uh, life's too short to do shit that you hate, you know, I guess you got to do what you got to do.

01:38:08.940 All right, guys, cheers.

01:38:10.080 Uh, I'm going to play one last, uh, where's the chart again at times?

01:38:14.180 Yep.

01:38:15.040 One little bit here and, uh, I'll see you next time.

01:38:18.520 I'll see you Monday, Monday at 8 p.m.

01:38:20.720 Eastern.

01:38:21.120 Probably if I, unless something happens, 8 p.m.

01:38:23.440 Eastern entry stream.

01:38:24.240 Live as usual, raging distant.com gab, telegram, tick tock, Instagram, all the stuff that's up there.

01:38:30.900 Uh, oh, I, I didn't update this.

01:38:33.220 We're actually at 17 days now without, uh, you know, mass death.

01:38:36.720 It's very strange.

01:38:39.420 17.

01:38:39.920 Let's update that.

01:38:40.880 I mean, I was told it was going to be the end of the world.

01:38:44.080 I don't, I don't know what's going on.

01:38:47.220 I'm, I'm, I'm sure any minute now the, uh, the science will, we'll catch up with everything.

01:38:51.500 All right, guys, cheers.

01:38:53.360 Pro Patria.

01:38:54.300 Uh, you know, it turns out Devin was also part, he was, uh, Patricia briefly as well.

01:38:57.940 So he's got dual citizenship.

01:38:59.160 So you guys don't have, don't have to feel left out.

01:39:00.900 He was also, he's got one of your hat badges too.

01:39:02.660 So it is what it is.

01:39:04.180 One RCR Ironman team.

01:39:05.580 Hilarious.

01:39:06.360 All right, guys.

01:39:07.160 Thanks a lot.

01:39:07.840 And thanks to Devin and everybody for tuning in.

01:39:09.680 I very much enjoyed that.

01:39:11.080 It was, uh, you know, a lot of fun and, uh, I'll see you next time guys.

01:39:15.340 Roger, death to Stalin.

01:39:17.000 Fuck that guy.

01:39:19.600 So he's going for the big fan.

01:39:20.960 And it's over at the left.

01:39:23.740 Larrant hits him home and closes it off.

01:39:27.160 No limits.

01:39:30.520 No limits.

01:39:33.780 You know, I, I love this sport.

01:39:36.180 I love, I love the feelings that it gives me.

01:39:38.440 In this life, you know, you can get material wealth.

01:39:41.600 You can get all sorts of things.

01:39:43.460 But the real treasure, I think, is these feelings.

01:39:46.680 And to me, this is a feeling I'll treasure forever.

01:39:49.660 Thanks, WAL.

01:39:50.860 See you guys soon.

01:39:51.620 Thank you.

01:39:53.740 Thank you.

01:39:56.240 Thank you.

01:40:00.220 Thank you.

01:40:03.840 Thank you.

01:40:07.980 Thank you.

01:40:11.780 Thank you.

01:40:12.540 Thank you.

01:40:42.540 Thank you.

01:40:45.680 Thank you.

01:40:48.180 Thank you.

01:41:02.280 Thank you.

Raging Dissident Podcast - July 29, 2021

HOUSE ARREST e25 - Devon Larratt

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