REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 216. Moving Towards The American Dream Ft. NYC BLM Leader Hawk Newsome & Tommy Vext

00:00:00.000 What is up guys, it's Andy Fursella and this definitely is the show for the realists.

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00:00:33.920 Dr. Sal.

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00:01:18.900 Now today is a very special show. Okay. I brought in somebody, a couple of people who I respect

00:01:28.400 and who you guys would not expect to be on this show. All right. First, my homie, Tommy

00:01:34.280 Vex. Hey, what's up, bro? Good to see you again. Second, DJ. What's up, baby? How are you?

00:01:40.500 Hey, man. I'm good. Yeah. Good. Everything good? Everything's all good. All right. All good.

00:01:44.540 And I got my, my, my, my new friend, Hawk Newsome family. Okay. Yeah, that's right. That's right.

00:01:52.740 Now, if you guys don't know who Hawk Newsome is, you might recall that we covered a segment on CTI

00:01:57.340 show, uh, where we talked about Hawk being told by the mayor, uh, that he was going to burn the city

00:02:05.880 down if they put the police back on the street. And Hawk is the co-founder of the New York chapter

00:02:09.900 of Black Lives Matter. He is also the founder of Black Ops. Okay. And we bring them on the show

00:02:15.400 and, uh, we want to have a good conversation and hopefully solve some shit. Okay. Nobody's doing

00:02:20.920 these kinds of things. And we, Hawk and I got together, um, off after that segment. All right.

00:02:26.960 And I'm going to tell a little story before I bring them on. After the segment we did on Hawk,

00:02:31.560 I went and I wanted to check out what he was about. All right. So I went, checked out his Instagram.

00:02:35.100 I saw that he followed me. Then I saw the segment where they were saying that he was saying that he

00:02:40.480 was going to burn the fucking city down. If the cops went back on the street and knowing that how

00:02:45.960 the media works, because I am also a public figure and how people like to make people look like shit.

00:02:50.860 I reached out to Hawk and I said, Hey man, I said, I get the feeling that these guys are trying to make

00:02:57.100 you look a certain way. And you're trying to say something else. Is that true? And he said, yeah,

00:03:02.780 that's exactly true. And I said, let's do a show. And that's how we got here.

00:03:06.460 So bro, thanks for making the trip. I'm happy to have you here. We've had a lot of fun

00:03:10.860 conversations already. And, uh, dude, just you coming on the show and having the guts to come

00:03:16.280 on the show and talk about real solutions. I respect the shit out of. So I appreciate you

00:03:20.660 making the trip, brother. Right on, man. I'm happy. Very happy to be here. Everybody know that I'm,

00:03:26.280 you know, I'm a fighter for the liberation of black people, but the greater fight is for all

00:03:31.900 oppressed people. That's right. Right. They'll never let you hear that side of it. They'll never

00:03:36.920 let you hear the good things that we do and how we feel inclusively. Why? Because people will buy

00:03:42.180 into that message. Yeah. So it's their job to keep that truth from being out there. 100%. Happy to be

00:03:48.140 here, man. Yeah. Can I tell a funny story real quick? Yeah. Yeah. So, so I picked up Hawk from the

00:03:52.060 airport, right? Yeah. And I, one, I did not realize. Well, first of all, before you tell it,

00:03:56.200 make sure it's funny. Oh, it's fucking, I mean, I'm going to laugh. That's all I'm asking.

00:04:01.320 You're going to get an obligatory laugh from me either way now. And if you don't laugh,

00:04:04.680 you're a fucking racist. So you better fucking laugh. No. So I picked up, I picked up Hawk and

00:04:08.120 one dude, I had no idea. You're a big dude. Right on. You're a big dude. And so I like, I pull up

00:04:12.560 and, and I see him sitting there and he stands up. I'm like, holy shit. But this dude is wearing all

00:04:18.220 Carhartt. He got the fucking gator skin, cowboy boots on. I'm like, are you ready for Missouri for real,

00:04:23.620 for real? He's like, yeah, I got to blend in. I'm like, doc, Hawk, you ain't blending in, baby.

00:04:26.960 No. You ain't blending in on that. But you did a good job, but I like the Carhartt shit, man.

00:04:33.640 I like it. I appreciate that. I figured I'd pay tribute. You know, I'd throw on my boots,

00:04:37.760 my shit kickers. You know what I mean? Come out here and just let the folks know. It's like,

00:04:42.880 you know, a lot of people don't like me. I know. It's hard to blend in, but I'm going to try and not

00:04:47.100 stand out. I could have been out here with my Yankees hat, my F-12 sweatshirt. You know what I mean?

00:04:52.360 But we don't need the, we don't need the, we don't need the attention right now. We're on a

00:04:55.600 mission. We don't give a fuck what you wear. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Come as you are.

00:04:59.800 Yeah. So where do we start, man? Like, I mean, the whole world's fucked up. Okay. We got, we got,

00:05:05.940 we got social media going crazy, ganging up on everybody. We got black people hate white people.

00:05:12.720 We got white people fucking oppressing the entire fucking earth. We got, you know,

00:05:18.680 and I'm talking about white people, white people. I'm talking about this. I'm talking about the

00:05:22.540 white liberals that we go after on the show every fucking day. Okay. There's all kinds of things

00:05:27.180 going on. I mean, what would Martin Luther King think about what's going on right now? I think

00:05:33.080 that's where we start. We got MLK day right here. You know, let's start with that. I'll jump on it.

00:05:39.040 Yeah. Yeah. Um, I think if MLK could have a voice right now, he'd look up and say,

00:05:45.760 I died for this. I think so too. I gave, I gave my life for this. Um, let's,

00:05:52.080 let's be cognizant of the fact that the last thing that Dr. King was fighting against,

00:05:57.060 of course, the overarching thing was racism, but it was poverty, right? Because he understood

00:06:03.140 that poverty breeds crime. Poverty is the way that they keep us all down. It's that small group at the

00:06:10.040 top that has everything that makes the rest of us fight for crumbs. So, um, on MLK day,

00:06:16.420 you know, I, I'm not a big advocate of peace. I like Malcolm X. He said, you put a hand on me,

00:06:22.180 I'm going to send you to the morgue. You know what I mean? I'm a, I'm a Malcolm X guy.

00:06:26.040 Yeah. And you know, my Martin wanted to turn the other cheek, but we ain't them.

00:06:29.540 I saw your poll, bro. I saw your poll. Are you MLK or are you X? Yeah. I'm MLK. Yeah. You know

00:06:37.360 what I'm saying? I got you like, like dude. Now I'm not saying that violence isn't required

00:06:41.300 sometimes. Like we were talking earlier, violence built this fucking country. Right on. All right.

00:06:45.480 Right on. But we don't, we don't need to have that shit. We don't need that shit. We don't need

00:06:50.700 to be fighting each other. You know, I think we've got way off the tracks of what he intended our

00:06:55.080 country to be. And I think by now, uh, all of this, I think agree with you. I think he would

00:07:01.420 look at it. I've said this on the show a hundred times. He would look at right now and be disgusted

00:07:04.500 right now. What the fuck is going on? I think one of, I think one of MLK's major points was

00:07:10.100 integration, you know, having a society where, uh, where, you know, and I'm biracial, so I'm a

00:07:16.960 by-product of that, the ability that people can, we're allowed to date. You know what I mean?

00:07:22.660 Like my birth parents, you know, we're in, I was born in the eighties. It was still kind

00:07:26.740 of like taboo. And we're moving towards, you know, I felt like over the past, you know,

00:07:33.620 prior to Trump, I felt like we had made leaps and bounds, um, in, in some degrees, but not

00:07:40.660 enough. And then with the way that Trump's administration was and the media's attacks

00:07:47.040 on that and all the other issues that were exploited, it put everyone in a psychological

00:07:53.080 place to not recognize the forward movement and continuing on that progress. And now we've

00:07:58.840 reverted back. And I think that nothing will ever be, uh, we'll never get out of that poverty

00:08:05.480 conversation, right? I think the people who have the most power, the bank, central banking

00:08:10.140 infrastructure, government, they want to keep people poor. If white poor people and black

00:08:14.980 poor people don't get along, they're never going to realize that they have the same oppressor,

00:08:19.480 you know? And that's like, that's, that's why they killed MLK. He started talking about

00:08:24.500 that. He pivoted to that and that's dangerous.

00:08:27.840 That's why you've been fucked with for the last two years. Hawk, that's why you've been

00:08:31.160 fucked with for the last two years. And guess what? That's why I've been fucked with for

00:08:34.320 the last two years.

00:08:35.140 Right on.

00:08:35.660 You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, we, good people are out here trying to do shit and

00:08:40.460 it can't happen because they will only tell half the fucking story. You know, I, we're

00:08:46.960 about six, whatever. I don't know how many minutes in, but we're about to go in right now.

00:08:51.400 Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

00:08:51.820 Right. We're about to go in. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I think integration was oversold.

00:08:58.220 Integration screwed our communities, bro, because you had the black doctors, the black lawyers,

00:09:05.980 the black engineers, the black people with skill left our communities. Right. So before

00:09:12.740 he died, Dr. King said, I'm afraid we've integrated into a burning house. Right. So the focus became

00:09:19.600 more of letting black people live amongst white people when it should have been, we're going

00:09:25.920 to empower black communities. Right. When you talk about separate, but equal and how that

00:09:31.040 was disqualified, we should really look at how we could have given black schools more

00:09:37.380 resources. Like you're building a gym right now for some black kids in a black school that

00:09:41.940 need it. We should look at how do we empower these people? Here's where I start to sound

00:09:49.400 a little bit conservative in my beliefs because I, man, I'm not a hell with you.

00:09:56.740 But, um, here's where I start to, goes on one podcast.

00:10:01.300 No, no, no. But see, this is what it is. They want to shut down people like me. They want

00:10:05.380 to shut me up because they'll never tell you that MLK didn't trust the Democrats or the

00:10:09.580 Republicans. Right.

00:10:10.440 They don't want to trust the, they don't want to listen to Malcolm X said the, the, the,

00:10:15.280 the Dems are wolves in cheap clothes and dangerous thing. Come on, man. Yeah. I'd rather,

00:10:20.440 I'd rather somebody say, screw you, nigger. Screw you. I ain't got shit for you. Right.

00:10:29.260 Then somebody say, Hey black boy, I'm your friend. Right. I'm going to fight for you and

00:10:33.920 treat me the same way that that racist does. That's why I have no respect for them. But going

00:10:38.900 back to that, that the previous argument, I think we need stronger black communities. I'm tired

00:10:43.980 of the welfare system. Uh, there's a big fire in the Bronx. Chuck Schumer was talking about

00:10:48.820 how great section eight is. Fuck section eight. Okay. How about you reload, you, you resource

00:10:55.280 some, some, some, some monies and you allocate funds to teach people entrepreneurship skills.

00:11:00.480 I don't disagree with any of that.

00:11:01.960 Like they don't, that's the thing is like the more the, like, I think the, the principle

00:11:07.140 that you stand on and we've just met today and talk is that you're, we're all equally

00:11:12.240 principled in solution. And he, and that's the, that's the, the, that's a currency, right?

00:11:19.520 Coming up with solutions for problems. But when you have people who are in power, who

00:11:24.060 are making money off perpetuating the problem, we keep getting blocked and our ideas become

00:11:29.360 thought crimes. And you can even be ostracized from your own groups and parties because they

00:11:35.180 don't want you to fix the problem.

00:11:37.540 They don't. And then we're confused because we're, we're genuinely virtuous in looking

00:11:44.160 at the problem and wanting to solve it as men who have come from nothing and become something

00:11:49.400 and wanting those opportunities for our people, whoever our people are period in this country.

00:11:54.680 Absolutely. And that's why we keep getting blocked.

00:11:57.100 See to me, and obviously, you know, people probably look at you and me and they say, oh,

00:12:02.260 they're totally fucking different. I don't feel like we are that different, honestly. But I do

00:12:06.880 see things a little bit different than that. I agree with everything you said, by the way.

00:12:10.360 But when I look at like the black communities and I look at the white communities and I look at the

00:12:14.520 Asian communities, I just see Americans, bro. I just see people here that, that we wrote on a

00:12:19.940 piece of paper 244 fucking years ago that said this and this and this. And then we had people

00:12:26.200 hijack that shit and create a jar of fucking chaos so that a very few, a very elite group

00:12:33.780 of people continue to profit off of our suffering. And I'm not suffering, bro. I went out and made

00:12:38.080 some shit of myself. Okay. My job is to continue to give back and bring awareness. And I'm committed

00:12:42.440 to that. I think it matters. But I, you know, I say this all the time on the show. I say, look,

00:12:48.980 dude, this identity shit, like this identity politics where it's like, it's, it's, it's the gay,

00:12:54.260 this, or the trans, this, or the white, this, or the black, this, all that does is create division

00:12:58.860 amongst ourselves. And so when I look at it and obviously you see it a different way, but when I

00:13:04.620 look at it, bro, I look at like this country is supposed to be for everybody. This country is

00:13:08.500 supposed to be for we, we, everybody, all of us in this room and everybody listening should all care

00:13:15.260 about what's going on in the black communities, in our cities, where there clearly is a huge difference

00:13:21.480 between how people live there versus how people live 30 miles away. That's a huge fucking

00:13:27.220 problem. And I don't see it as a black and white issue. I see it as an elite versus the common people

00:13:32.720 issue. And dude, that's how I, it's an American issue. That's what I see, man. And so like, dude,

00:13:38.420 I'm just being real. You said, we're going to go in. I want to fucking fix these things, but dude,

00:13:43.300 as a white dude, it bothers me when I see people saying like, dude, like right now, every motherfucker

00:13:48.880 on the internet with BLM is calling white people, every fucking name in the book. There's a tremendous

00:13:54.000 amount of white hate. And like, dude, like, so I got to look at that and be like, bro, do these people

00:13:58.660 even want me to fucking care? Like, you see what I'm saying? Here's the thing. Because dude, look,

00:14:03.320 if I, cause you call your company black ops, right? Like if I started white ops, bro, come on.

00:14:08.180 You don't have to, all you got to say is a American ops. Cause when you think of America,

00:14:13.740 you think of the white men who built this country, who run this country, who exploit the planet,

00:14:19.380 exploit the people, right? If we can, if we can, if no, the world, okay, this is pretty much the

00:14:26.220 world, right? If we just backtrack a little bit, right? Let's go back to identity politics, right?

00:14:31.840 The thing is black people haven't been seen in this country. We haven't been seen.

00:14:38.080 What are you talking about? We've been, we've been viewed as this, this group we've been pushed

00:14:43.560 down upon. Our humanity has not been acknowledged. So when we talk about the humanity, not being

00:14:51.600 acknowledged, explain that to me. Oh man. Black pain is not real pain. When we say, uh, black lives

00:14:58.860 matter, for instance, right? We are actually saying is my life matters just as much as everyone else's,

00:15:05.560 but America doesn't show you that. See, I don't, I disagree with that. I think we all agree that

00:15:09.880 black lives matter. I would actually, can I take that a step further with the BLM issue? Like,

00:15:14.400 and I, and I've got, he, I've been calling uncle Tom and all of us for saying this, right? But

00:15:17.620 when I see the black lives matter. Wait, you got tap dance shoes under there? Yeah.

00:15:24.080 No, but, but, but I, but I say this, that's fucked up, Joe. You got, that's fucked up, Joe.

00:15:29.960 You got too many New Yorkers in there, bro. No, but, but, but when I, when I hear that statement,

00:15:35.180 you know what I think, I say they don't. And I say that they should matter more because my problem

00:15:40.980 is, and I've stood on this countless of times, right? Nobody, and when I, I'm going to say us

00:15:47.140 as the black community, right? Nobody's going to give a fuck about us until we give a fuck about us.

00:15:52.400 Okay. Okay. Now here's the thing. These two things are not separate. The perfect example of this is

00:15:58.360 the black woman, right? The media shows you the image of beauty, blonde hair, blue eyes,

00:16:05.320 fair skin. What about black women is beautiful? When they show us in movies, the darker the skin

00:16:12.180 tone, the more sexually aggressive or the more aggressive the woman is, right? Nothing about

00:16:17.880 the black, that stereotype has been perpetuated by Hollywood since the ninth, since silent films.

00:16:22.480 Exactly. Right. But it's, it's Hollywood. It's Vogue. It's magazines. It's until they just,

00:16:27.400 just let me finish this point, bro. I got you. So anything beautiful about black women

00:16:32.400 is, is, is, is, is, is frowned upon until a white woman does it until a white woman braids her hair.

00:16:39.420 Remember we had big old ghetto booties, but the Kardashians do it. Now everybody loves a fat ass.

00:16:44.840 You know what I mean? Our fashion. It was, it was out of shape. You're horrible. I grew up in

00:16:52.360 Brooklyn, bro. You're a different type of animal. You know what I mean? Like, come on.

00:16:57.360 We could have just started on something. We all agree with. Let's be honest. That ain't new though.

00:17:02.820 Baby, I love you. Baby, I love you. They're talking about asses. I love yours only.

00:17:07.060 Fat ass was considered a work of art. If you go to any museum in the world, I've been to museums all

00:17:11.760 over the world. Every sculpture of every beautiful woman is a fat ass bitch. We see that's real.

00:17:17.280 You had that DNA as men, like this woman, she had a big butt, but they used, she was like this circus

00:17:24.360 animal, right? They used to send her around Europe and it was like this, this monstrous, but this

00:17:29.860 freaking nature, you know, it wasn't cool. We, we, at the end of the day, we're regular people in this

00:17:34.980 room. That's why we're having this discussion while we're laughing, but that's not the masses.

00:17:39.400 At the end of the day, bro. I think also too, though, I, I feel like, I think black women

00:17:44.180 are the most copied, right? Come on. Like, yo, like gay dudes act like black women. You

00:17:50.480 know what I mean? How many, how many white girls, you know, that get long fingernails and

00:17:55.080 then when they get agitated, they test me out. Listen, from the outside, look, dude, I don't

00:18:00.040 see that as like a bad thing. I see that as like, like how I would see that. Okay. Look,

00:18:04.800 dude, I get every motherfucker in the world copying my shit. Okay. Like I'm the best motherfucker

00:18:09.040 at what I do in the fucking planet. And I'm changing this. Okay. Like I'm, this might

00:18:13.780 not make sense to some of you guys listening. I'm trying to make a point. I get copied all

00:18:17.720 the time. When I first started getting copied, I look at it and I'd be like, dude, fuck that

00:18:22.720 guy. And then what I started to realize was, holy shit. The reason they're doing that shit

00:18:27.180 is because they're vibing with my shit and they're trying to be like me. And I started

00:18:30.900 to see, I started to value that. Okay. And like, dude, how I see it is like, dude, the

00:18:37.000 black community has a tremendous amount of influence on culture, dude. And it's a great

00:18:41.840 thing. Why don't we reap the benefits of it?

00:18:44.720 Well, because the corporations, the corporations that exploit black culture in this country

00:18:55.100 are owned by black people. And Kanye West has been talking about that. And it's true. I mean,

00:19:00.300 like this is a, one of the major issues, you know, which with, you know, the, this land

00:19:06.680 based sweeping generalization that America is racist is hard to, for me to understand

00:19:12.440 as, as African-American who plays rock music to white people who buy millions and millions

00:19:18.720 of my records and, uh, and I'll like, I've never had any issue, you know? And then I look

00:19:24.280 at hip hop comparatively and it's a much more massive global culture, cultural movement

00:19:30.980 because, you know, that, that's African, what African-Americans contribute to the world

00:19:37.540 as far as culture.

00:19:38.420 I'm about to get y'all in trouble.

00:19:39.340 Oh, it's okay.

00:19:40.060 I'm about to get y'all in trouble.

00:19:41.060 No, you won't get y'all in trouble.

00:19:41.780 But the issue is, is that it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, the, the question is why

00:19:46.260 don't, why don't, you know, why don't we own that? It's because we don't.

00:19:50.640 Yeah.

00:19:51.140 And they, they won't let you.

00:19:52.640 Now here's the thing.

00:19:53.700 Yeah.

00:19:54.120 But that ain't no different from fucking anybody else.

00:19:56.240 It's a regular human, bro.

00:19:57.380 These are people who have fucking have been at the top for so long that they, it's created

00:20:01.940 an impossible wall to fucking climb for anybody.

00:20:04.780 So we need black billionaires and everything that won't share the pie.

00:20:10.100 Now, if you want to talk to me about hip hop, right?

00:20:12.980 I can't make a record today to say, I'm going to go out and shoot the Jews.

00:20:17.280 I'm going to shoot out, go and shoot the LGBTQ community.

00:20:21.320 I'm going to go and kill all white people.

00:20:23.420 I can't say that.

00:20:24.480 Fuck.

00:20:24.760 I can't say that.

00:20:25.640 But, but, but, but, you know what I can do?

00:20:29.040 I can go out and say, I'm going to kill every black person that's stepping my path.

00:20:33.180 Yeah.

00:20:33.620 I'm going to shoot you if you look at me the wrong way.

00:20:35.960 And then you got people like Diddy.

00:20:38.420 You got people like Jay-Z who are social justice pioneers, right?

00:20:44.240 But they won't turn around and put a pause on hip hop music and say, let's stop making

00:20:49.540 music about killing each other for one year.

00:20:53.000 What you're saying is real shit, man, because that's what DJ and I've been talking about.

00:20:56.760 Dude, Tommy and I have talked about this for two fucking years.

00:21:00.080 DJ and I have talked about this on the show forever, bro.

00:21:02.660 We have a fucking culture problem.

00:21:04.740 We have a culture problem in, not only in the black community, we have a culture problem

00:21:09.020 in what people consume in all communities, and we have a culture problem in the police

00:21:13.060 community.

00:21:13.760 Okay?

00:21:14.380 And the media.

00:21:15.100 And the, oh, fuck the media.

00:21:16.520 Well, the media never, like.

00:21:17.600 That's irreparable.

00:21:18.580 That's going to have to be torn down.

00:21:19.860 The media doesn't help.

00:21:21.180 You know what's crazy?

00:21:22.300 We don't even own the record companies.

00:21:24.680 No.

00:21:24.900 There's other people who have shares of the for-profit prison complex, the industrialized

00:21:32.980 prison complex, who own the pharmaceuticals that we need when we shoot each other up,

00:21:38.280 who own the clothing labels that we kill each other for.

00:21:41.940 Everybody makes money off us killing each other.

00:21:44.860 How much rap music do you listen to?

00:21:46.580 All day, every fucking day.

00:21:47.940 You fucking do.

00:21:48.840 Okay.

00:21:49.800 I'm not a hypocrite.

00:21:51.320 Let's be fucking real.

00:21:52.240 I'm not a hypocrite.

00:21:52.560 No, I know you're not a hypocrite.

00:21:53.400 That's why you're here, because you're real.

00:21:54.920 Yeah.

00:21:55.280 And dude, me too.

00:21:56.900 Yeah.

00:21:57.160 Okay?

00:21:57.580 So I'm listening to Dolph every fucking day.

00:21:59.820 And I know him.

00:22:00.860 I knew him.

00:22:01.680 Okay?

00:22:02.100 When he died, I fucking stayed home all day, didn't I?

00:22:04.640 Yeah.

00:22:04.760 I fucking cried my fucking eyes out.

00:22:06.960 Dude, I'm fucking tired of this shit.

00:22:10.080 Okay?

00:22:10.520 And like, dude, we're as big of a problem for consuming the shit as anybody else for making

00:22:14.880 the shit.

00:22:15.420 Yeah.

00:22:15.780 That's the truth.

00:22:16.380 And so if we're going to fix the problem, we got to start saying, hey, maybe that's not as cool

00:22:21.400 as we fucking thought it was.

00:22:22.560 Right.

00:22:22.860 You know what I'm saying?

00:22:23.620 Like, the one thing I loved about Dolph was, you listen, Young Dolph?

00:22:28.060 Yeah.

00:22:28.320 Yeah.

00:22:28.780 So the one thing I loved about him was, what I loved, it wasn't the like, hey, we got a

00:22:33.260 beef in our community shit.

00:22:34.840 It was that like, dude, the guy started selling.

00:22:37.680 He grew up.

00:22:38.460 He created a career.

00:22:39.500 He provided value.

00:22:40.800 He had a family.

00:22:42.160 This dude was an entrepreneur.

00:22:43.500 And so what he's singing about the whole time is the same shit I went through in a different

00:22:47.080 way.

00:22:47.380 And he wasn't with a record company.

00:22:49.160 No, he's independent.

00:22:50.120 He was an individual owner.

00:22:50.700 Yeah.

00:22:50.960 You look at Nip.

00:22:52.560 Nipsey Hussler.

00:22:53.140 Yeah, same.

00:22:53.600 Right?

00:22:54.120 Yeah.

00:22:54.280 But what was crazy is, he did this thing for Forbes on the West Coast.

00:22:58.640 I did it on the East Coast.

00:23:00.620 And basically what we're talking about is innovative ways to help our community.

00:23:06.080 Right?

00:23:06.280 So anytime somebody talks about black ownership, folks want to call them crazy, like LeVar Ball

00:23:12.520 saying, hey, we should own these sneakers.

00:23:15.580 We should own these things.

00:23:16.980 People look at them like they're crazy because for us, right?

00:23:20.480 Being stuck in this system, you don't have to agree with me.

00:23:25.480 I just want people to try and attempt to feel me.

00:23:28.360 We are stuck in this system.

00:23:30.600 If you're saying anything that's unreasonable.

00:23:32.320 No, bro.

00:23:33.180 I just I'm glad I got the opportunity to talk.

00:23:36.060 Yeah.

00:23:36.280 You know what I mean?

00:23:37.240 But like it's like the world is consistently telling you you ain't shit.

00:23:43.520 You see it on the TV.

00:23:45.320 You see it on the news every night.

00:23:47.040 But it's the thing is, we have been at the bottom of the totem pole longer than anyone

00:23:55.200 else has.

00:23:56.040 There were opportunities given to other people to elevate themselves that we weren't given.

00:24:02.360 You know what I mean?

00:24:02.940 And we can't we can't ignore that.

00:24:04.860 Can I ask you, do you think that that's still the same?

00:24:06.840 Do you think that statement?

00:24:08.420 Because I agree there was a long period of time in American history, right?

00:24:11.640 Where that is the case.

00:24:12.620 Do you think right now in 2022 that we still have those setbacks?

00:24:16.360 Banks deny black people loans with similar qualifications to white people at higher rates.

00:24:23.860 Oh, OK.

00:24:24.480 But here's what I'll say.

00:24:25.480 Hold on.

00:24:26.180 I wanted to.

00:24:26.840 That's actually really, really important because redlining is something that happened during

00:24:30.480 the Nixon era that has absolutely kept black communities from having their own industrious

00:24:38.800 rise.

00:24:41.600 And then we we continue to have politicians whose promise to undo these things and don't and

00:24:49.800 don't.

00:24:50.500 Yeah.

00:24:51.260 So I was I've been hypercritical about that with the Democrats, you know, including Obama.

00:24:56.640 Why wasn't this the first thing to go?

00:24:59.020 Nixon was a recorded racist piece of shit.

00:25:02.740 Guess who else is who?

00:25:05.160 A fucking current president.

00:25:06.620 Oh, yeah.

00:25:07.180 Well, we can go off on that.

00:25:08.760 But I went through what's that.

00:25:11.200 Joe Biden is a white supremacist.

00:25:13.040 Oh, yeah.

00:25:13.500 Joe Biden's a fucking Joe Biden is a Biden supremacist.

00:25:16.580 That motherfucker.

00:25:17.120 That motherfucker gives a fuck about him.

00:25:19.420 Parmesan, Stort and Tom and fucking and making fucking billions of dollars and selling

00:25:23.820 our country to China.

00:25:24.860 And fuck that guy.

00:25:25.480 Here's here's here's my problem.

00:25:27.520 Right.

00:25:28.020 Here's my problem.

00:25:29.840 Black people keep looking for these saviors.

00:25:33.560 Right.

00:25:34.280 Yeah.

00:25:34.780 You look at Jewish communities.

00:25:36.360 I want the same thing for black people.

00:25:38.200 The Jewish communities have Jewish people control their own schools.

00:25:41.960 They have their own police force.

00:25:43.820 They have their own their own ambulance service.

00:25:46.480 Oh, I don't think insulate.

00:25:47.780 No, bro.

00:25:48.220 That's not it.

00:25:49.120 That's not it, bro.

00:25:50.040 I understand what he's saying.

00:25:52.900 But look, bro, if I went and did that same shit, like you said, when I say the shit,

00:25:57.960 people think it's crazy.

00:25:58.940 Let me tell you why.

00:25:59.800 I'm going to give you the white person perspective.

00:26:01.540 Why?

00:26:02.100 Because, dude, I can't say none of that shit.

00:26:04.820 And I can't do none of that shit.

00:26:05.880 You have it already.

00:26:06.760 I don't.

00:26:07.480 No, I don't.

00:26:08.500 Because I don't see you that way.

00:26:09.380 You got to understand, this system benefits white people.

00:26:11.940 He was asking for examples, right?

00:26:13.700 Yeah.

00:26:13.840 You and I.

00:26:14.320 No, no, no.

00:26:14.740 Wait, hold on.

00:26:15.440 Go ahead.

00:26:15.740 Go.

00:26:16.360 I'm not saying that what you guys say about redlining and all that.

00:26:19.640 That's real shit.

00:26:20.460 Yeah.

00:26:20.600 That has to stop.

00:26:21.620 That's the main issue.

00:26:22.540 Right on.

00:26:23.300 That's not what I'm saying.

00:26:24.280 I'm not saying that.

00:26:25.400 What I am saying, though, is that when you say things like pro-black this, pro-black

00:26:31.100 that, this, that, the other, and white people automatically think, man, if I fucking said

00:26:34.700 that shit, I would get fucking destroyed.

00:26:36.620 I'd ruin my whole life.

00:26:37.880 Bro.

00:26:38.260 You see what I'm saying?

00:26:38.840 Bro.

00:26:39.440 But the thing is, all you have to do is say, I'm pro-America, right?

00:26:44.900 When you think America, you don't think of it as a land for all.

00:26:49.180 I do.

00:26:49.680 Like, people don't.

00:26:50.880 Well, I do.

00:26:51.340 Like, like, like, and I travel a lot.

00:26:53.880 I travel a lot.

00:26:54.460 No, no, no.

00:26:54.820 Let me, let me get this off my chest.

00:26:56.000 If I didn't think that, I wouldn't have you down here.

00:26:56.800 Let me, let me get this, let me get this off my chest.

00:26:58.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:58.780 Not everybody does.

00:26:59.900 Yeah.

00:27:00.200 We have what we call allies, people who really fuck with black people.

00:27:04.180 Some of them are conservatives, right?

00:27:06.100 Who really fuck with black people.

00:27:07.840 And there's some good dims out there, some liberals.

00:27:10.940 But the thing is, like, I was talking to a white woman and she said, you had a million

00:27:17.700 man march on Washington, D.C.

00:27:21.580 What would it, what would people say if white people did it?

00:27:25.560 I said it happens every day.

00:27:26.780 It's called Congress.

00:27:28.160 You understand what I'm saying?

00:27:30.060 Like, like.

00:27:30.580 I do, but I don't.

00:27:31.760 And we could.

00:27:32.860 We could there.

00:27:33.720 You know what I mean?

00:27:34.480 Can I say this real quick?

00:27:35.840 I personally don't have a problem.

00:27:37.260 Like, look, dude, growing up as a white dude in this country, you have had to accept the

00:27:41.760 fact that there's, there's things that black people can do that white people cannot do.

00:27:46.360 Like, you can have a black entertainment television.

00:27:49.240 You can have, uh, you guys can say the N word.

00:27:52.740 And if we say the N word, I'm fucking done.

00:27:54.740 Right, right, right.

00:27:55.460 Like, bro, like there's all, there's this racial line that white people have to walk.

00:27:59.600 That is fucking like, it's like walking on eggshells all the time, bro.

00:28:02.900 Now, can I give you this, bro?

00:28:04.460 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:04.920 Like, like, I swear to God, man.

00:28:07.460 Fuck everybody listening.

00:28:08.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:28:09.000 It's me and you in this room.

00:28:09.980 Yeah, cool.

00:28:10.620 Just like we having a conversation.

00:28:12.080 Just like we do.

00:28:12.900 Right on, right?

00:28:14.300 Bro.

00:28:16.200 The networks.

00:28:18.480 Everything.

00:28:21.500 Yeah, but that don't make all white people bad.

00:28:23.220 But no, nobody's saying all white people are bad.

00:28:25.220 That's the point that I wanted to make.

00:28:25.900 So, here's the thing, right?

00:28:27.720 Like, you got to understand, like, society.

00:28:33.640 Has pushed black, a lot of black people to the point where it's like, fuck everybody.

00:28:39.460 I can understand that, too.

00:28:40.440 Like, nobody came here that, it's us against the world.

00:28:43.460 And that's where a lot of people are, right?

00:28:45.800 But here's my thing.

00:28:46.480 Listen, so, but you can't say in the same breath.

00:28:48.820 So, you're saying that it's the white people that own the systems and own the networks and

00:28:52.180 all of this.

00:28:54.260 Those are the same people that you're going to have to fucking reach your hand out and

00:28:56.760 say, hey, help us out.

00:28:57.840 But we're also condemning them.

00:28:59.020 No, that's not what I'm teaching.

00:29:00.940 I'm saying build your own.

00:29:02.180 No, no.

00:29:02.800 I've been waiting to break this down.

00:29:04.440 Actually, what we're going to have to do is what you said when we were talking last

00:29:07.720 night.

00:29:08.280 We're going to knock them in the motherfucking head and get them out of the fucking wet.

00:29:11.360 Come on, bro.

00:29:12.140 That was my other point that I wanted to make real quick, Tommy.

00:29:14.580 So, like, my thing is there is a lot of frustration.

00:29:18.720 I told you this, sir.

00:29:19.280 There's a lot of frustration and a lot of anger right now in the black community.

00:29:23.500 A lot of it is justifiably so.

00:29:26.340 I totally agree.

00:29:27.380 The problem is, the problem is, think of it like a fucking tank, okay?

00:29:30.700 Those missiles of power, they can bring down a whole fucking building.

00:29:33.560 We have been, the establishment, the people that we're fucking talking about have been

00:29:38.180 aiming that at the wrong shit.

00:29:41.000 And the problem is, is that it's emotional manipulation.

00:29:44.720 And the problem is, is that it's being targeted at a blanketed population that has shit to

00:29:48.920 do with it.

00:29:49.680 What needs to happen is we have to redirect that fucking energy and the emotions and the

00:29:53.960 power and the energy that the community has and just point it in the right fucking direction.

00:29:59.380 Bro.

00:29:59.640 Because Andy ain't the fucking problem.

00:30:01.320 I'm not the fucking problem.

00:30:03.080 It's a small group of people.

00:30:04.660 Real talk.

00:30:05.160 Real talk.

00:30:05.980 How much shit have you taken the last two years?

00:30:07.400 Oh, my God.

00:30:07.960 How much shit have you gotten?

00:30:09.360 Bro, it's wrecked your whole fucking life.

00:30:10.680 You had to rebuild it.

00:30:11.780 Yeah, man.

00:30:13.180 For real.

00:30:13.600 I came out on top, though.

00:30:14.840 Yeah, you did.

00:30:15.620 But my point is.

00:30:16.260 It was stressful.

00:30:17.040 Yeah.

00:30:17.480 I've been in court for like 10 months.

00:30:19.920 But my point is, all of this aggravation that we've had to go through as citizens of

00:30:24.060 this fucking country has been pushed upon us.

00:30:27.400 But here's my thing.

00:30:28.420 Like, I equally, right?

00:30:31.180 I, like, this is the issue and this is what I wanted to get at.

00:30:35.420 Now, in backing it back up, I do.

00:30:39.020 I'm okay with the black community creating.

00:30:41.720 I think the black community should replicate the Hasidic Jewish community in creating their

00:30:47.940 own thing that is, that if that's what is desired in this country, you should be free

00:30:53.980 to do that.

00:30:54.860 If you want to do that, you should be enabled to and you should be allowed to.

00:30:59.240 The central banking infrastructure should not interfere with that.

00:31:02.520 The state and the city should not interfere with that.

00:31:05.600 Hold on.

00:31:05.880 1,000%.

00:31:06.800 And then over time, if that community is built, then that community will start to feel

00:31:14.380 like pro-America is also pro-black.

00:31:17.800 So what's stopping it?

00:31:18.760 Over time.

00:31:19.180 So what's stopping it?

00:31:20.180 Oh.

00:31:21.220 I mean, that's my legit question.

00:31:22.400 No, I'm not going to give you.

00:31:24.000 A lot.

00:31:24.500 I'm not going to give you the joy and the enthusiasm of me saying a Democratic Party.

00:31:29.920 You just said it.

00:31:31.920 I'm not going to give you that.

00:31:33.340 You just said it, motherfucker.

00:31:33.800 You just said it.

00:31:34.500 So what's stopping it?

00:31:35.420 Now, here's the thing, right?

00:31:37.660 Here's the thing.

00:31:38.420 Fuck, Eddie.

00:31:38.900 I almost had him.

00:31:39.640 Here's the thing, right?

00:31:41.340 No.

00:31:42.080 See, the thing is, they see big, black, angry.

00:31:44.420 They don't see law degree.

00:31:46.020 I've been trained to analyze this shit.

00:31:48.500 Just the look on your motherfucking face was worth the trip, bro.

00:31:53.340 Fuck, man.

00:31:53.980 I almost had him.

00:31:54.500 I almost had him.

00:31:55.400 I'm right there.

00:31:55.920 Like, here's the thing, right?

00:31:57.220 Like, Jewish people do business with everyone else, right?

00:32:02.040 So we can do that.

00:32:03.200 We can build our own communities, and we can do business with everyone else.

00:32:08.800 What I'm saying is, let us control things in our neighborhoods.

00:32:13.280 What has to happen?

00:32:14.420 What we're doing with black opportunities is, we are deprogramming people, right?

00:32:19.380 I love this facility, right?

00:32:21.120 Thank you.

00:32:21.460 You know what my vision is?

00:32:22.760 I want a healing space in black communities across wherever.

00:32:27.240 I want it to look like a big-ass yoga studio where people come learn how to eat, where

00:32:32.400 they work out, they learn their true history, where single mothers could come.

00:32:36.000 We watch their kids while we give them coding skills, tech skills, where we actually improve

00:32:41.920 people's lives, where we teach people about money so they can compete.

00:32:46.140 Fuck this handout shit.

00:32:47.480 Oh, the handout is the worst thing, because America has never truly helped us.

00:32:56.080 They gave us enough to keep us crippled.

00:32:58.240 People were coming to this country over the last century, and they were like, here, take

00:33:01.740 land.

00:33:02.660 You talked about redlining.

00:33:04.380 Oh, you could buy a house, but you can't sell it to black people.

00:33:07.360 You know what I mean?

00:33:08.060 Like, oh, we can't insure black people.

00:33:10.960 The thing that when you talk about redlining, you know who benefits the most from redlining?

00:33:16.560 White liberal hipsters who go into our neighborhoods, and they go into minority neighborhoods and

00:33:22.840 gentrify it and buy everything up.

00:33:25.260 And they're like, I'm cool.

00:33:26.720 I posted a black square.

00:33:28.100 You pushed out of the city.

00:33:30.980 I talked to the New York Post, and I talked to them about gentrification.

00:33:34.860 And I said, here's what happened when white people move into poor neighborhoods.

00:33:39.120 There's mental illness.

00:33:40.860 For some reason, black people suffer depression when white people move into these neighborhoods,

00:33:44.980 right?

00:33:45.160 Is that a fact?

00:33:45.640 Yeah, I'm dead serious.

00:33:46.640 Google it.

00:33:47.260 I found it out.

00:33:48.000 Well, just because it's on Google don't mean shit.

00:33:49.720 Yeah, no, no.

00:33:50.140 You don't learn that.

00:33:51.120 No, Google it and find credible resources, right?

00:33:55.060 Schools are doing worse.

00:33:56.200 There's more of a police present because they feel like they have to treat, you know, they

00:34:00.660 have to keep it safe for the white folk.

00:34:02.180 But when I said gentrification is wrong, all the people on my side came after me.

00:34:09.420 First, the Republicans painted me out to be a racist.

00:34:11.760 They said, Hawk Newsom says no whites in the Bronx, right?

00:34:15.740 Then the Dems came after me.

00:34:18.080 Well, what about our allies?

00:34:20.580 Those people who move into the neighborhoods?

00:34:23.320 I'm like, yeah, fuck them too.

00:34:24.740 Because if they come and they prove it safe, then the people with money will come.

00:34:28.180 Here's what I'll say, and I don't disagree with really anything you're saying other than

00:34:31.740 the identity shit, but I think what I'm seeing here, what I see here is a couple of things

00:34:37.320 need to happen in your mind before we can move forward and say, hey, we're all on the

00:34:42.780 same team.

00:34:43.280 Come on.

00:34:43.660 All right.

00:34:44.040 So I'm picking up what you're putting down and you help tie that together.

00:34:47.740 Thank you.

00:34:50.220 Yeah, but here's, yeah, go ahead.

00:34:52.060 Well, I was like, so I'm hearing like you, like Andy said, I hear everything you're saying.

00:34:55.920 And we've, we've talked, we did the fucking hour and a half tour, right?

00:34:59.180 I love it.

00:35:00.080 My problem is I feel like some of the words that you're using is still kind of like, it's

00:35:05.420 not, I think more people will get your message, but you, when you paint the whole, it's not

00:35:09.100 the country.

00:35:09.660 The country's not racist.

00:35:11.100 It's a group of people inside the country that are making these decisions.

00:35:13.340 They control everything.

00:35:14.400 And I don't even know that it's fucking, I don't know that it's even, listen, dude.

00:35:19.300 You see what I'm saying?

00:35:19.840 Listen, I'm a fucking highly successful business guy.

00:35:23.240 I'm not a little guy.

00:35:24.580 I'm not a medium guy.

00:35:25.460 I'm a big motherfucker.

00:35:26.640 Okay.

00:35:28.000 There's not one time in history that I've done business with another company.

00:35:32.860 And I've been like, oh man, there's a white guy.

00:35:34.380 We're gonna do business with that guy.

00:35:35.440 Like, that's not how it works at my level.

00:35:37.880 But this is what I'm saying.

00:35:39.260 Well, no.

00:35:39.660 And I don't, I don't know that because I'm not them.

00:35:41.800 You're also self-made.

00:35:43.540 So these intergenerational wealth.

00:35:45.600 I know I'm making the, I'm getting there, bro.

00:35:47.340 I'm getting there.

00:35:47.760 I'm on my way.

00:35:49.040 Those are also not, those are also, I don't even look at those people as people.

00:35:53.000 I agree.

00:35:53.460 The owners of the networks and these families that have all this trillions of dollars.

00:35:56.460 I don't even see it at that level.

00:35:58.120 Okay.

00:35:58.320 Like I could see how you.

00:35:59.220 Wait, everybody.

00:36:00.140 Andy's going to sound like a socialist.

00:36:02.000 Go ahead.

00:36:03.200 No, no, no.

00:36:03.780 Yeah.

00:36:04.140 You're going to talk about classism.

00:36:05.700 That's where you're going with this.

00:36:06.720 That's not socialism, bro.

00:36:08.560 Listen, I'm a capitalist a hundred percent.

00:36:12.000 That's the proof's in the fucking pudding.

00:36:13.700 Uh-huh.

00:36:14.040 Okay.

00:36:14.560 Uh-huh.

00:36:15.060 Here's the reality though.

00:36:16.240 There's responsible capitalism.

00:36:18.000 Yeah.

00:36:18.260 Okay.

00:36:19.040 And what we have here, you asked me, you said, what'd you say to me the favorite part

00:36:22.980 was here?

00:36:24.340 The workspace.

00:36:25.300 That's right.

00:36:25.940 The workspace.

00:36:26.540 And then back.

00:36:26.960 There's a great energy.

00:36:27.960 Everybody was happy.

00:36:29.300 Everybody, there was good music.

00:36:30.520 There was a good energy.

00:36:31.720 People didn't seem sad.

00:36:33.000 They didn't even seem like they were working.

00:36:34.980 And I give you credit for that.

00:36:36.140 You know why?

00:36:37.080 Because those people all understand the way it works here.

00:36:39.960 How it works is this.

00:36:41.280 You come here, you learn, you progress through, and eventually if you stay and you get good,

00:36:46.180 you can get to that C-level.

00:36:47.500 You can work your way up through this company.

00:36:49.460 Now, I don't give a fuck.

00:36:50.500 I don't give a fuck what color you are or where you come from.

00:36:53.720 You know what?

00:36:54.160 I just want to win.

00:36:55.260 So, the best motherfucker is going to get that job.

00:36:57.220 Yeah.

00:36:57.400 All right?

00:36:58.100 Now, here's what I agree with you on.

00:37:01.620 And I'm not sure it's related to race as much as it is related to rich motherfuckers

00:37:08.020 that hang out together.

00:37:09.000 Okay?

00:37:10.100 When we talk about these elite guys at the top of, because like, dude, what we're talking

00:37:13.780 about here, bro, is we're talking about a hundred fucking people.

00:37:16.840 We're not talking about a million or a thousand.

00:37:19.680 We're talking about a hundred.

00:37:21.160 All right?

00:37:21.540 And they're all in the club.

00:37:22.940 Guess what?

00:37:23.920 We ain't.

00:37:25.300 You know, but people follow the elite.

00:37:27.720 They mimic that.

00:37:29.260 They mimic those behaviors.

00:37:31.620 Yeah, they financial control.

00:37:33.100 So, it's like, you think about the term influencers, right?

00:37:36.100 People have influence.

00:37:37.720 People watch because they want to, they feel inspired and they want to be like that person,

00:37:42.100 right?

00:37:42.660 So, if there's a small close-off group.

00:37:44.100 Yeah, but those motherfuckers, they're never going to, they're never, ever, ever, ever,

00:37:47.760 ever, ever going to give a fuck about us.

00:37:51.280 It ain't happening.

00:37:51.820 Here's the thing, though.

00:37:52.660 People believe that if they mimic them and if they climb that socioeconomic ladder, that

00:38:00.260 they'll be accepted by them.

00:38:01.920 So, they mimic those behaviors from the top all the way down and they look for reasons

00:38:06.200 to keep people out.

00:38:07.560 What is the difference between, what does a filthy, just dirty, no resource having, poor

00:38:15.660 man, what's the difference between him and a black person in the same set of circumstances?

00:38:20.500 Zero money to their name, fucked up apartment, fucked up neighborhoods, poor white guy, and

00:38:26.620 a poor black guy.

00:38:27.840 That white guy can say, at least I'm not black.

00:38:30.940 And in the society we live in-

00:38:32.640 Bro, that bullshit is cool to be black.

00:38:33.880 Listen, listen, listen.

00:38:35.120 Come on, motherfucker.

00:38:36.000 It's cool to be black till it's time to be black.

00:38:38.320 All right.

00:38:38.500 Till cops are whipping your ass for no reason, till you're getting pulled over and thrown

00:38:42.340 up against the wall and stopped and frisked all the time.

00:38:44.620 I mean-

00:38:44.780 It's cool.

00:38:45.440 Like, like, like, it's cool to listen to the music and to wear the clothes, but when you got

00:38:49.720 to really deal with that black pain, that's when a lot of people kind of duck out.

00:38:53.360 You know what?

00:38:53.700 Hey, listen, that's a fair point.

00:38:55.300 Yeah.

00:38:55.560 Well, let me just, I want to back this up.

00:38:58.280 I think that's a fair point.

00:38:59.320 I want to back this up because there's something that isn't, that everyone has said that ties

00:39:04.280 together.

00:39:04.700 And it's intrinsically important to understand that, okay, so this workspace, this environment,

00:39:12.720 the way that it is, it's because you earned it, right?

00:39:15.480 Like, so when you come from nothing and you build something, you understand what it's

00:39:20.800 like to be the bottom man.

00:39:23.180 These elites have been in control and in power for-

00:39:28.200 Hundreds of years.

00:39:28.860 Oh, it's generations.

00:39:31.120 So they don't look at us as people.

00:39:33.780 They see us the way we see a cattle farm and our actual purpose to them is to continue

00:39:40.180 to perpetuate their power and institutionalization.

00:39:44.880 They mastermind this drift, this rift.

00:39:48.180 The institutional racism doesn't change so that they can put it on their broadcast and

00:39:52.960 get everybody fighting with each other.

00:39:54.920 So no one looks up the ladder and is like, fuck these motherfuckers.

00:39:58.780 No, and then also, bro, they do that shit so they have something to run on.

00:40:01.560 These motherfuckers, these Democrats do not have a fucking plan for fucking anything.

00:40:06.220 You say whatever the fuck you want about Trump.

00:40:07.880 I know you don't like Trump because he personally attacked you.

00:40:10.260 But if you say whatever the fuck you want, his policies fucking worked in this country.

00:40:14.380 Our economy was fucking better.

00:40:15.820 Our jobs were better.

00:40:16.760 There was better opportunity.

00:40:18.060 And guess what?

00:40:19.540 I ain't with Trump right now because it was fucking bullshit on this vaccine.

00:40:22.920 All right?

00:40:23.280 We got to criticize Trump too.

00:40:25.860 And I say this, this has been the most bizarre thing to happen in 2021 to now is every liberal

00:40:35.980 person I know ran out and got the jab.

00:40:38.920 And I'm like, you took Trump's vaccine.

00:40:43.300 You took the Trump jab.

00:40:45.620 You literally went.

00:40:46.920 And then it didn't work.

00:40:48.440 So he failed.

00:40:49.700 And he's out talking about it saved 10 million.

00:40:51.680 No, it didn't.

00:40:52.680 You're lying.

00:40:53.820 And then, and on top of that, you went and got it again.

00:40:58.260 And that's, this is the mentality.

00:41:00.220 And I'm like, and then it still didn't work.

00:41:01.920 And now you got to get a booster because they did Operation Warp Speed and rushed it in.

00:41:06.880 I want to keep it.

00:41:07.740 I want to keep it a buck with you, right?

00:41:09.300 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:41:10.200 Me personally, I haven't taken a shot.

00:41:12.840 I won't.

00:41:14.460 But I understand why some people feel like they need to do it.

00:41:17.560 That's cool.

00:41:18.120 I'm against these mandates, right?

00:41:19.400 Of course, of course.

00:41:20.160 If that's what you feel like you got to do.

00:41:22.020 I always, I think a lot of us sitting here, except for you, no, I think a lot of us sitting

00:41:29.240 here kind of like to look at the root of the problem, right?

00:41:33.660 And at the root of the problem, you'll also find a lot of lies and illusions, right?

00:41:40.160 And fakeness, right?

00:41:42.380 I call it hypocrisy, right?

00:41:44.880 At the root of this, everybody's a fucking hypocrite.

00:41:47.920 Now, here you have Democrats forcing you to do something with your body, and you have

00:41:54.480 Republicans saying, don't tell me what to do with my body.

00:41:58.400 Could we replace this argument with abortion and see how everybody's a fucking hypocrite?

00:42:03.420 Bro, did we do a whole show on that?

00:42:05.300 You did.

00:42:05.900 Yeah.

00:42:06.200 Like, this shit is weird to me, man.

00:42:08.280 Yeah, of course.

00:42:09.200 This shit is weird.

00:42:10.080 Because it's like-

00:42:11.220 No one can identify their own hypocrisy.

00:42:13.020 It's identity politics allows you to play switcheroo with different issues.

00:42:18.040 Like, for example, if I vote Republican, that doesn't mean that I have the same stance on

00:42:25.460 abortion as conservatives.

00:42:26.700 Like, we've lost moderate standing.

00:42:30.120 We've lost the middle.

00:42:31.640 And we have to kind of figure a way to corral everybody back to the middle and out of the-

00:42:36.880 You know, they've successfully played tug-of-war mental gymnastics and tug-of-war with us.

00:42:42.100 And now it's like, oh, this is my enemy.

00:42:44.000 And you're like, you believe that.

00:42:45.360 So I'm this team.

00:42:46.680 It's very tribalistic.

00:42:48.060 It's gotten so polarized.

00:42:48.640 And what needs to happen is that we need to be able to come to the table and say, look,

00:42:51.900 Hawk, I don't agree.

00:42:53.300 I agree with A, B, and C, but I don't necessarily agree with you on D.

00:42:58.120 But for the most part, we agree.

00:43:01.320 That's what it needs to get to.

00:43:02.480 Because the beauty of America, in my personal opinion, is the diversity.

00:43:05.800 Not just in your backgrounds and your experiences, but your beliefs, right?

00:43:09.720 There's a famous quote, I'm a believe, by Thomas Jefferson.

00:43:12.640 If you've got seven people in a room and everybody's thinking the same, nobody's thinking.

00:43:16.300 Right?

00:43:16.620 The diversity in beliefs and your opinions, that's what makes this fucking country amazing.

00:43:21.940 Right?

00:43:22.160 And the problem is that they've thrown in so many fucking things that some people can

00:43:26.980 believe in.

00:43:27.860 And it needs to just come back to American value.

00:43:30.280 But who controls the politician?

00:43:32.560 Right?

00:43:33.040 It's that same group of 100 people you're talking about.

00:43:35.220 Okay.

00:43:35.620 But like, dude, that's the other thing.

00:43:37.560 So, you know, what are those people?

00:43:42.000 What are those?

00:43:42.640 What are they?

00:43:44.160 Who are they?

00:43:44.920 What group do they belong to?

00:43:46.920 They're not just white.

00:43:49.000 Well, I mean.

00:43:50.040 Hold on.

00:43:50.900 I'm being real here.

00:43:51.640 We're going to be real as fuck.

00:43:52.760 Talk to me.

00:43:53.220 We're going to be real as fuck.

00:43:54.260 Talk to me.

00:43:54.760 These people are Jewish.

00:43:58.140 That's the truth.

00:43:59.060 They own all the shit.

00:44:00.200 Top problem with producers.

00:44:00.540 They own the fucking banks.

00:44:01.540 They own the media.

00:44:02.140 They own this.

00:44:03.000 Does that make all Jewish people bad?

00:44:04.840 Not at all.

00:44:05.500 I don't think so either.

00:44:06.320 Not at all.

00:44:06.980 Some of my biggest supporters are-

00:44:08.460 I agree.

00:44:09.400 Jewish people.

00:44:10.140 I agree.

00:44:10.940 The thing is-

00:44:11.540 The reason I don't like identity, bro, is because we, like, that's how they use identity

00:44:16.060 against us in this way.

00:44:17.420 I get it.

00:44:17.900 For example, I know you get it, but a lot of these guys don't get it.

00:44:22.600 There's 15 of these guys, these big families that have a GDP that's worth more than fucking

00:44:27.320 every other country on the planet, all right?

00:44:29.700 These old Jewish families.

00:44:31.620 They own the media.

00:44:32.660 They own the banks.

00:44:33.320 They own all the shit, okay?

00:44:35.260 And if you say that shit, you're anti-Semitic.

00:44:37.660 But, dude, they created that resistance on purpose so they could hide behind it, okay?

00:44:44.140 So now, what we have to do is we have to remove the identity out of these talks.

00:44:49.180 And we got to say, hey, it ain't Jewish people.

00:44:52.140 It's that motherfucker and that motherfucker that did it.

00:44:54.900 And we have to name them by names.

00:44:55.780 He just so happens to be.

00:44:57.540 Exactly.

00:44:58.060 That's how it has to be.

00:44:59.080 Exactly.

00:44:59.720 So this is built into our culture on purpose so that we can't even identify who the fuck

00:45:04.700 is actually doing it because then we're called anti-Semitic or racist or whatever.

00:45:09.200 And we're easily-

00:45:10.040 But that's real power, right?

00:45:11.560 Well, it's easy to control.

00:45:12.100 No, no, no.

00:45:12.480 What they've built is a defense system.

00:45:15.060 It's real power.

00:45:15.880 100%.

00:45:16.260 Right?

00:45:16.700 And I want to build that for black people.

00:45:18.300 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:19.080 I want to be able to-

00:45:22.120 Oh, okay.

00:45:22.700 I've had relationships with the ADL, right?

00:45:25.440 Yeah.

00:45:25.840 Anytime any Jewish person is assaulted in New York City, it's investigated as a hate crime.

00:45:33.260 You understand, like, how much power that shit is?

00:45:35.940 It's like you have these layers of protection.

00:45:38.700 What you have to remember is that's the same power that you're talking about that's creating

00:45:42.820 all this fucking shit for us.

00:45:45.360 You know what I'm saying?

00:45:46.360 Like, dude, we got-

00:45:47.180 Well, it comes down to money, though.

00:45:48.780 It's about economics.

00:45:51.080 Well, I'm just pointing out-

00:45:52.060 Both those people-

00:45:52.720 That we get a lot further.

00:45:53.820 My point in saying now that is not to be anti-Jewish or any of that shit.

00:45:57.840 No, no.

00:45:58.040 Bro, I have tons of Jewish friends.

00:45:59.460 They're my fucking homie.

00:46:00.260 I know that sounds like a little black friend.

00:46:02.580 You said it.

00:46:03.440 I got a color TV.

00:46:04.600 No, I mean-

00:46:05.140 Bro, you said the same shit.

00:46:06.360 Yeah.

00:46:06.520 You know?

00:46:06.900 Like, you weren't with the Jewish-

00:46:07.900 I also don't necessarily think that those people are practicing, right?

00:46:17.060 No.

00:46:17.280 Like, I don't think it's-

00:46:17.900 That's what I'm saying.

00:46:18.520 It doesn't matter.

00:46:19.760 But you can't-

00:46:20.520 It just is happenstance.

00:46:21.800 That's right.

00:46:22.140 You have to see me as a black man.

00:46:25.400 Yeah.

00:46:25.760 You have to recognize my struggle.

00:46:28.140 There is no unity until you see my pain.

00:46:32.080 You acknowledge my pain, right?

00:46:33.820 Because if you're sitting here like, oh my God, oh my God, I have this pain inside of me.

00:46:39.440 I'm sick.

00:46:40.440 Help, help.

00:46:41.460 Just acknowledge it.

00:46:42.340 And you're like, nah, fuck you.

00:46:43.440 Your pain ain't real.

00:46:44.180 I'm like, fuck you.

00:46:45.220 See, like, yo, but here's the thing is, like, I don't subscribe to that because my suffering

00:46:52.000 has never been validated.

00:46:53.660 So what happened with me is that rather than identifying with a collective human pain body

00:46:59.340 of a group, I deal with it myself.

00:47:01.720 And then I use it to create things.

00:47:04.640 And then it loses its power, right?

00:47:07.700 So I believe in extreme ownership and extreme responsibility as individuality.

00:47:14.100 So, you know, and I also went through this as like, you know, tragic mulatto kid, right?

00:47:18.420 Wasn't black enough for the black kids, not white enough for the white kids, can't fucking

00:47:22.060 speak Spanish.

00:47:23.480 So that's a very isolated place to be.

00:47:26.840 And I don't know if that's, you know, and I'm not, I'm just saying, I hear what you're

00:47:30.280 saying.

00:47:30.860 Which you have, right.

00:47:31.540 But the demand that someone else recognizes my pain, I don't need that anymore.

00:47:37.120 Here's the thing, right?

00:47:39.440 Because what does it do?

00:47:40.560 When a white woman cries, right?

00:47:43.380 Or when a white woman is harmed.

00:47:45.160 Or when a white woman is missing.

00:47:47.360 America stops.

00:47:50.200 America, there was just a case.

00:47:51.480 Well, the whole media goes crazy, yeah.

00:47:52.820 America stops, right?

00:47:54.640 So we can't say.

00:47:55.520 Yeah, that case was blown out of proportion to get us off the shit, though.

00:47:58.160 Yeah, but it happens.

00:47:59.740 It always happens like that.

00:48:01.400 When a white woman is harmed, it's always like this huge thing.

00:48:06.580 The thing you said about acknowledging the pain.

00:48:09.040 Yeah.

00:48:09.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:48:10.860 So like, dude, all right, I can respect that.

00:48:13.120 Yeah.

00:48:13.480 Okay, but here's what I don't respect.

00:48:15.160 And this is what I ain't fucking doing.

00:48:16.600 Mm-hmm.

00:48:16.960 And most people ain't doing it, bro.

00:48:18.260 Yeah.

00:48:18.620 You and I are grown men.

00:48:19.920 Yeah.

00:48:20.040 We can have man conversation.

00:48:21.400 We'll squash whatever differences we have.

00:48:23.140 And like we have, I think we've built already a good foundation for a future good friendship.

00:48:28.020 Right on.

00:48:28.360 Okay?

00:48:29.400 But I ain't kissing nobody's fucking feet to apologize for shit that I didn't do.

00:48:33.540 You see what I'm saying?

00:48:34.480 Here's the thing, right?

00:48:35.380 But look, dude, like we see on TV.

00:48:37.320 Yeah.

00:48:37.880 We see literal black dudes walking up to white people on the street and saying, get on your

00:48:42.080 knees and fucking apologize.

00:48:43.180 Bro, that's crazy.

00:48:45.080 Okay.

00:48:45.760 Fuck out of here.

00:48:46.580 All right.

00:48:46.940 Like, I saw that.

00:48:48.280 That's like one strange video from Europe somewhere.

00:48:51.200 That's some wild shit.

00:48:52.320 Yeah, but that's what they're putting out.

00:48:53.780 Well, here's the thing.

00:48:54.860 Here's the thing.

00:48:56.020 Fuck you.

00:48:57.160 Pay me.

00:48:58.280 Japanese people got reparations.

00:49:00.940 Jewish people got reparations.

00:49:02.880 Everybody who's indigenous people got reparations.

00:49:06.420 Everybody who this country harmed got their money.

00:49:09.360 Okay.

00:49:09.700 Except black people.

00:49:10.560 Let me ask you this.

00:49:11.220 Pay me my bread.

00:49:11.880 Who's supposed to pay?

00:49:12.460 And then tell me to kiss your ass.

00:49:13.480 Hold, hold, hold, hold.

00:49:14.020 Well, yo, yo.

00:49:14.580 So who pays that?

00:49:15.700 Yeah, but here's the other question.

00:49:16.980 Like, yo, this is the real fucking issue.

00:49:19.220 BLM raised $200 million.

00:49:21.400 Yeah.

00:49:22.080 Where the fuck did it go?

00:49:23.120 Corporation for what happened with George Floyd.

00:49:26.200 Listen, let me tell you something.

00:49:27.220 Why the fuck didn't black people get that fucking money?

00:49:28.940 Listen, we talking about $90 million, right?

00:49:31.200 We talking about $90 million.

00:49:33.860 Now, the question, the thing is, you have to understand,

00:49:37.360 I'm an independent BLM older.

00:49:39.040 No, no, no.

00:49:39.760 I'm asking you.

00:49:40.760 I'm walking you through.

00:49:41.640 I'm red, black, and green.

00:49:42.700 Hold up.

00:49:43.000 Real talk.

00:49:43.620 I still adhere to a lot of these.

00:49:44.460 You're the most qualified.

00:49:44.940 They're the same philosophies.

00:49:46.400 Listen, I don't have, I don't, I don't, I'm not with

00:49:48.520 BLM the fucking business.

00:49:49.760 Those people can fuck off, okay?

00:49:51.420 The reason I reached out to you is because I recognize

00:49:53.700 that you are a part of what we often talk about

00:49:56.660 on the show, which is the cause,

00:49:58.800 the actual true cause that black people fucking matter.

00:50:01.640 Yeah, and this is, this is, this is what I fight for.

00:50:03.820 This is what I risk my life for.

00:50:04.900 This is why motherfuckers are literally trying to kill me.

00:50:07.060 But to answer what you said, right?

00:50:08.580 In the world, people can't see the difference

00:50:10.160 between those two.

00:50:10.920 I get it.

00:50:11.280 That's why I created Black Opportunities.

00:50:13.440 But what they're going to do with that money

00:50:16.300 is their business, bro.

00:50:17.580 I can't, I can't.

00:50:18.980 It's like the Salvation Army.

00:50:20.320 I ain't going to run to the Salvation Army

00:50:21.920 that red calls and say, hey, what you doing

00:50:23.440 with your money?

00:50:24.100 What you do with that money is on you, right?

00:50:26.760 But what is Hawk doing?

00:50:28.700 Our organization started a charter school

00:50:30.520 in the South Bronx, right?

00:50:31.760 Where we teach our kids every day a real history, right?

00:50:37.160 We give them an education that meets their needs.

00:50:41.240 You can't teach a black kid in the South Bronx

00:50:45.380 the same way you'll teach a white kid

00:50:47.240 in some rich suburb, Orange County or something.

00:50:50.340 It's two different levels of conversation.

00:50:51.940 It's two different needs, like, separate.

00:50:55.220 Let me shut the fuck up.

00:50:56.360 Hold on.

00:50:57.380 It's two different mindsets, right?

00:51:01.380 Everybody's not programmed the same.

00:51:03.040 So we built our school, Wildflower Charter School,

00:51:06.640 to teach our children, bro.

00:51:08.260 You understand?

00:51:09.220 What we're doing is we're building these healing centers

00:51:11.660 so that we can empower our people.

00:51:14.360 I'll start off small.

00:51:15.860 Our crew is maybe 10 deep.

00:51:17.700 I could bring 25,000 in the street,

00:51:20.440 but we 10 deep.

00:51:21.560 We got lawyers.

00:51:22.500 We got ex-cons.

00:51:23.500 My sister left a career in finance.

00:51:25.180 Like, we have really capable black folk

00:51:28.400 who didn't say, I made it out.

00:51:31.400 I'm all I care about.

00:51:32.940 I'm leaving.

00:51:33.680 Why isn't your organization getting the media attention

00:51:37.340 that it needs to continue to expand?

00:51:39.760 Well, because Hognizant's a fucking terrorist.

00:51:41.420 Just watch the news.

00:51:42.220 Just watch the news.

00:51:43.240 To expand to other states and other cities in the nation

00:51:46.860 to do this work.

00:51:48.360 I'll stand up.

00:51:49.600 And nobody likes, they used to call them uppity Negroes, right?

00:51:53.660 I am the most uppity Negro in America, right?

00:51:58.040 Because I'm going to tell you,

00:52:01.440 if you hit my people, I'm going to hit you back.

00:52:06.320 And when you ask me, oh, you want me to back?

00:52:08.400 I'm not backtracking.

00:52:09.980 Fuck you.

00:52:11.140 If you go and shoot some unarmed person,

00:52:13.040 I don't care if they burn down 20 buildings.

00:52:15.540 I do not care, right?

00:52:17.720 Because nobody cares about little kids in Iraq

00:52:20.680 getting hit by bombs, right?

00:52:22.160 So are we talking about war?

00:52:23.340 I care about that.

00:52:24.680 Yeah, but as a whole, people weren't,

00:52:27.380 when the towers got hit, people weren't saying,

00:52:29.720 well, what about the innocent victims?

00:52:31.240 No.

00:52:31.960 George Bush was on TV saying, God bless us.

00:52:34.160 We're going to war.

00:52:34.820 We shouldn't be in those fucking wars.

00:52:35.400 We're going to eradicate people.

00:52:37.600 Let me, hold on, hold on.

00:52:40.780 Let me just ask this.

00:52:42.080 Because we're talking about the action of violence for social change.

00:52:50.300 What do you think about January 6th?

00:52:54.080 I think January 6th, I think the armed protests against the mask

00:53:07.320 and the mandates, remember Michigan people took guns and went,

00:53:10.260 that's the American way.

00:53:12.180 I think January 6th is the American way.

00:53:15.060 You piss off Americans, right?

00:53:17.200 You piss off white Americans,

00:53:18.680 and they're going to get mad and fuck some shit up, right?

00:53:21.800 You infringe on their rights

00:53:23.500 and they're going to let you know it's going to be held to play.

00:53:25.980 I can't condemn them.

00:53:27.440 No, what?

00:53:28.000 I mean, they did what they felt they needed to do.

00:53:30.580 You should be there with us.

00:53:32.000 I was invited, but see, here's the thing.

00:53:34.240 I'm just saying, because that protest was not a black or white protest.

00:53:37.280 They're trying to make it seem like these are all white supremacists

00:53:39.560 that are, no, motherfucker.

00:53:41.760 The government says this and they're not doing that

00:53:43.960 and they're fucking all of us.

00:53:45.120 And that's all it is.

00:53:46.260 Here's the problem, right?

00:53:48.680 By the way, when I said us, I wasn't there.

00:53:50.940 People are mad.

00:53:52.040 You better clear that shit up.

00:53:53.580 You know the feds is on my ass, right?

00:53:55.920 So here's the problem, bro.

00:53:58.300 Fuck.

00:54:00.040 Biden and them may or may not have cheated.

00:54:02.720 Yeah.

00:54:02.900 Right?

00:54:04.120 George Bush stole Florida and stole the presidency.

00:54:08.520 This shit always happens.

00:54:10.600 Here's what I think.

00:54:11.240 This shit always happens.

00:54:12.600 That's real.

00:54:13.120 People steal elections.

00:54:14.340 Listen, bro.

00:54:15.600 And that's a big difference.

00:54:16.700 I'm glad you brought that up.

00:54:18.400 Yeah.

00:54:18.840 Because here's the thing.

00:54:20.240 I think what this has shown, I think this last two years

00:54:22.680 has shown every single person with a critical thinking brain

00:54:25.600 that we have been fooled for a long fucking time.

00:54:28.680 Donald Trump did that too, though.

00:54:30.480 He showed it.

00:54:31.180 He showed it, though.

00:54:32.540 With his disregard, right?

00:54:35.580 For Donald Trump, I don't want to have this saying,

00:54:39.320 Donald Trump is a racist argument.

00:54:41.340 We have reasons that were laid out.

00:54:43.160 People have reasons that they say they don't agree with.

00:54:45.280 But Donald Trump came in and was like America first, right?

00:54:49.880 And he exhibited that through actions that kind of made everybody else feel excluded.

00:54:55.980 Like, I'm out here fighting for black people's rights,

00:54:58.820 and he's telling cops to be a little bit rougher with people.

00:55:02.440 You understand?

00:55:03.260 And we all know who's going to get abused by these police.

00:55:06.320 When he started talking about immigration, right?

00:55:09.420 And to be fair, I'm going to wrap it up in a really, really unifying way.

00:55:15.120 A unifying way that says the system is against us, right?

00:55:18.500 So when he started saying immigrants are the problem,

00:55:23.360 and he had that, you know, he banned countries.

00:55:26.040 Four of those countries were black.

00:55:28.260 Right?

00:55:29.020 Out of how many, though?

00:55:29.780 Out of the seven with the travel ban.

00:55:32.240 Four of those countries were black.

00:55:33.360 Like, everybody focused on the-

00:55:35.660 Which countries were-

00:55:36.420 Everybody focused on the Arab countries, right?

00:55:40.340 Yeah, yeah, it was-

00:55:41.420 When you look at the border, right?

00:55:43.500 It was Mexicans.

00:55:44.300 Yeah, but can I ask you something, dude?

00:55:44.980 What?

00:55:45.340 Like, what difference did that fucking make?

00:55:46.760 Because the thing is, Donald Trump was going after people of color,

00:55:49.800 but he wasn't going after white immigrants.

00:55:52.360 Are you talking about when the COVID shut down?

00:55:54.120 No, no, I'm talking about when the whole immigration issues-

00:55:57.360 Oh, okay.

00:55:57.640 Stopping people from coming to the country.

00:55:59.740 You can't tell me that-

00:56:00.620 Motherfucker, I don't think anybody should come here for a while.

00:56:02.560 So, here's the thing.

00:56:03.960 I'm going to read up.

00:56:04.320 I'm going to read up the list.

00:56:04.780 If that's what it is, right?

00:56:06.120 Yeah.

00:56:06.360 If that's what it is, then you have to go after white people.

00:56:10.960 You got to raid white neighborhoods, white immigrant neighborhoods.

00:56:14.280 Don't say no dumb shit like white people do shit the right way, okay?

00:56:17.500 Because everybody sneaks into the country.

00:56:19.780 You know what I'm saying?

00:56:20.620 Like, everybody sneaks into the country.

00:56:22.760 This is what I will say to that, and this is why you can't paint broad brushes.

00:56:26.560 Yeah.

00:56:26.740 The facts of the matter is, what is the majority of illegal immigrants coming in?

00:56:31.300 Like, it's Hispanics, Haitians, a lot of-

00:56:36.520 I'm hating the majority.

00:56:38.100 No, no, no.

00:56:38.580 I'm saying what makes up the majority is-

00:56:41.120 What's the overall majority?

00:56:41.660 Yeah.

00:56:42.220 So, and it goes back to the Jewish example, right?

00:56:44.780 It can't just be, oh, he's doing that because they're black.

00:56:47.160 No, that's not the case.

00:56:48.080 The fact of the matter is, we have a large population of people influxing into this country

00:56:52.560 that's supposed to be so inherently racist.

00:56:54.840 We have so many people coming into this country, and guess what, Hawk?

00:56:58.300 They just so happen to be them.

00:56:59.920 It's not about-

00:57:01.060 So-

00:57:01.180 Listen, this guy sitting right in the dot, he's a naturalized citizen.

00:57:04.860 His family came here, the legal route, if you want to call it that, he's a naturalized

00:57:09.440 citizen.

00:57:09.740 And so my thing is-

00:57:11.060 Donald Trump banned black countries, right?

00:57:13.400 No, he did not.

00:57:13.600 The most productive immigrants in this country-

00:57:16.320 He also banned Venezuela, he also banned, you know, North Korea, Syria.

00:57:23.300 How can you say that the country is systemically racist and that white people are all racist

00:57:29.280 and this country, you can't, like, this is my problem with CRT.

00:57:32.600 Hold on, hold on.

00:57:33.700 This is my problem with CRT, bro.

00:57:35.380 You look at these people, these little, I see a little four-year-old black kid, okay?

00:57:39.300 And you're telling this kid, hey, look, dude, you're going to have a hard time because

00:57:42.320 this world is racist, it's this, it's this, it's this, you can never win.

00:57:44.780 But the biggest fucking group of winners that come here are black.

00:57:48.460 Here's the thing.

00:57:49.700 And that's a fact.

00:57:50.700 Here's the thing.

00:57:51.360 He just said that.

00:57:52.240 Here's the thing.

00:57:53.320 Here's the thing.

00:57:55.400 When you start talking about CRT, at the heart of that argument-

00:58:00.380 Hawk gets mad.

00:58:01.100 Is people-

00:58:02.180 No, I'm not mad.

00:58:03.100 I just, when I get emotional-

00:58:05.300 I'm just teasing you, bro.

00:58:06.200 Sometimes people don't pay attention to my shit.

00:58:08.300 No, we're having a great conversation.

00:58:08.560 No, we're good, we're good.

00:58:09.460 But when you start talking about CRT, you're telling America to come to terms with this

00:58:16.000 ugly past.

00:58:17.580 Like, a lot of people do not, like, like when you say, well, give me an example of systemic

00:58:22.720 racism of whatever.

00:58:24.460 A lot of people are under the illusion that these things don't exist.

00:58:29.020 A lot of people think Christopher Columbus was a hero.

00:58:31.800 A lot of people think black people had every opportunity when they were denied insurance so

00:58:37.460 they could pass down generational wealth, when they were denied, uh, home ownership, right?

00:58:43.600 And these are two of the biggest ways to accumulate wealth and people are under these illusions.

00:58:49.360 So right now we have to take a critical look into America's history and we have to tell

00:58:57.060 the truth about it.

00:58:59.060 Is that a theory?

00:59:00.700 No, because there's a couple of things here.

00:59:02.160 I get that, right?

00:59:03.800 Like, like my, my fiance's father, he, he's right there with that, right?

00:59:08.280 Because he has experiences from the past that validate his beliefs, right?

00:59:11.860 Sure.

00:59:12.320 Cool.

00:59:12.920 In 2022, you have an issue getting health insurance in 2022?

00:59:17.140 No, I got a $2 million fucking health insurance policy.

00:59:19.620 Here's the problem.

00:59:20.160 In 20, hold on, let me finish.

00:59:21.200 In 2022.

00:59:22.200 We're talking about life insurance?

00:59:22.940 Let me, no, let me finish.

00:59:24.500 Let me finish.

00:59:25.020 You know what?

00:59:25.420 Because that's what Republicans do.

00:59:26.920 Let me finish.

00:59:27.700 Above that.

00:59:28.440 And I let people speak.

00:59:29.840 I let people speak.

00:59:31.000 Let me finish.

00:59:31.860 Let me finish.

00:59:32.280 So, so in 2020, my, my, my, my, my, I guess my question is up there, look what it says

00:59:36.980 up there in the left corner that people talk.

00:59:39.060 My, my question is, is that in 2022, okay, all of the, addressing the past.

00:59:43.900 Okay, cool.

00:59:44.420 Slavery happened.

00:59:45.000 But are we also going to address the fact that you also had black African communities

00:59:49.660 who were also involved in selling black people to the slave trade?

00:59:53.300 Are we going to address that as well?

00:59:54.800 Are we going to address the, the, the inbred breeding that we had in the South that was

00:59:58.500 also perpetuated by black Africans that were slaves?

01:00:01.580 Are we going to address it as well?

01:00:02.620 My point is, is that, so what?

01:00:05.640 Like, okay.

01:00:06.100 Like, not, not like as if it doesn't matter, but now what?

01:00:08.920 In 2022, I don't have any issues getting the home.

01:00:12.460 I got a 1% interest, uh, interest right in my crib.

01:00:15.260 I got a $300,000 house.

01:00:16.700 I have a $2 million life insurance policy.

01:00:18.760 So these things that, okay, yes, they were issues, but is it holding you back now?

01:00:23.140 Hold on.

01:00:23.460 If you took all the black people in this entire country.

01:00:25.600 Well, see here, hold on, hold on, hold on.

01:00:27.360 I'm hearing two different things that I'm just being real.

01:00:29.780 What I hear Hawk saying is, and I hear you do.

01:00:32.680 We talk about this all the time.

01:00:35.860 I hear Hawk saying that nobody's acknowledging the, what the fuck has happened.

01:00:41.380 Okay.

01:00:41.900 So, so, okay.

01:00:42.920 So, so let's say that, right?

01:00:44.700 Right.

01:00:44.900 Let's just say, okay, we have to acknowledge the hardships that the black community has gone

01:00:49.600 through, which I don't think any reasonable human can deny.

01:00:52.880 Okay.

01:00:54.080 So what level of acknowledgement is acceptable to where we can move forward as a team?

01:01:01.560 Cause it's like, so what now?

01:01:02.780 Wait, what about it?

01:01:03.560 So, so let me, let me, let me walk through this.

01:01:05.720 Right.

01:01:06.020 Okay.

01:01:06.600 Um, the average black person in America would believe that their history started in slavery.

01:01:16.200 The, our kids are not taught that they were Kings and Queens, right?

01:01:20.080 That's, that's their experience here.

01:01:22.000 Our, our children are not informed of the fact that a lot of the people who are identified

01:01:28.180 as Negro or black or whatever, we're indigenous people were here first, right?

01:01:33.760 Our textbooks are skewed in a way that minimizes the black experience, right?

01:01:40.700 So we need to give an accurate history of America.

01:01:45.760 Now, if you want to talk about what you were saying was like, yo, I got a $2 million home.

01:01:51.160 You know, you know why there's resistance there on the white community?

01:01:55.380 Be real.

01:01:55.960 The reason there's resistance there is because we are told that if we, that because of that,

01:02:02.380 okay, we, and I agree with you, bro, we only get one side of history.

01:02:06.060 I'm a big proponent of that.

01:02:07.120 I talk about that all the time.

01:02:08.420 Yeah.

01:02:08.660 I let people do their own research because the minute you say anything outside of line,

01:02:12.020 you're a fucking bigot.

01:02:12.960 Like, here's the reality.

01:02:14.680 You're right about that.

01:02:16.080 But what I'm told as a white man is that I am fucking racist.

01:02:19.220 I don't even know I'm racist.

01:02:20.420 Inherently racist.

01:02:20.900 See, here's the thing.

01:02:22.180 Yeah.

01:02:22.480 A lot of folks don't know what microaggressions are, right?

01:02:25.660 A microaggression is, is, is that one, that person who says, you know, who looks at you

01:02:34.500 in the elevator, you know, you got me up at the Ritz-Carlton, but usually when I travel,

01:02:38.760 I stay in nice places for the security.

01:02:40.580 Yeah.

01:02:40.940 Right.

01:02:41.240 Or I fly first cast because the cops kick my ass in my bag of school.

01:02:45.580 Right.

01:02:46.240 So we appreciate it that way just because you're coming in, bro.

01:02:48.640 Yeah.

01:02:48.960 I appreciate it.

01:02:49.940 But because you're a conservative, the sweet soccer mom with the diamonds next to me on

01:02:57.320 the plane wants to know what sport I played.

01:03:00.480 Like, how else are you here?

01:03:01.840 Black person.

01:03:02.640 Well, uh, my, my common response is I didn't like to sweat that much.

01:03:06.780 So I went to law school.

01:03:07.680 Well, bro, let me be real.

01:03:08.680 You're six, seven, like 350 pounds.

01:03:11.780 Like, bro, you look like a fucking athlete.

01:03:14.060 Larry Hoover, you know, Kanye's fighting for Larry.

01:03:16.460 His lawyer is a six, seven dude too.

01:03:19.060 Yeah.

01:03:19.300 Like, like, you just, like, we just can't, I see a, I see a white, well-dressed dude with

01:03:24.080 a buddy who's tall.

01:03:25.140 I don't think athlete.

01:03:26.120 But, but, but, I'm not, I'm not, look, dude.

01:03:28.280 Because there's microaggressions on the others.

01:03:29.940 Well, no, I do.

01:03:30.960 I look at, I look at tall, skinny, white dude.

01:03:32.780 I'm like, man, I wonder if he could hoop.

01:03:34.440 Like, that's, that is normal shit that I look at.

01:03:36.700 Yeah.

01:03:36.980 But, but I just want to, I don't ask people that.

01:03:39.900 Like, I'm smarter because I'm 42 years old.

01:03:41.580 They always ask me that.

01:03:42.820 Yeah.

01:03:43.020 Well, dude, bro, you look like the fucking fridge.

01:03:45.100 Like, like, even, even, you know, even regular size, normal size black dudes.

01:03:49.440 You know what I'm saying?

01:03:50.240 Like, they get these questions.

01:03:51.440 It's offensive.

01:03:52.440 Now, when you started talking about the home you live in.

01:03:55.040 I can see that.

01:03:55.660 I can see that.

01:03:56.540 All right.

01:03:57.000 But there's, but there's another side of that corner.

01:03:58.380 There's microaggressions against whites as well because you can, I'm sure you look at

01:04:01.660 a, oh, he's probably a fucking bitch.

01:04:03.340 He probably made his money off the, you know what I'm saying?

01:04:04.440 That dude's probably got a little dick.

01:04:05.960 Exactly.

01:04:06.420 I mean, there's microaggressions.

01:04:07.700 But that's not my point.

01:04:08.660 But my point is, Hulk.

01:04:09.720 Hey, yo, wait a minute.

01:04:11.420 I'm not judging nobody dick.

01:04:13.120 No, but the point is dick.

01:04:14.880 Who's his dick?

01:04:16.040 That's my dick.

01:04:16.900 But the thing, but there's microaggressions on both sides.

01:04:20.660 Don't worry, he mentioned the Asians with the small dick joke, though.

01:04:25.080 Microaggressions exist, but Hulk, we got to get to a point where both sides, that can

01:04:28.700 be perpetuated by both sides, and it does every single day.

01:04:30.780 I get it, right?

01:04:31.620 I get it.

01:04:31.960 It's not just the black community.

01:04:33.460 The only community that's getting attacked or there's racism.

01:04:36.600 But you're not getting the chicken and the watermelon.

01:04:39.760 You're not getting the-

01:04:40.480 Check it out.

01:04:41.000 Check it out.

01:04:41.260 You look like a homie on a corner.

01:04:45.000 You're not getting- I get that shit.

01:04:47.360 And the thing is, that racism shit, bro, that shit is- what's really offensive about

01:04:53.200 that white shit, that racism-

01:04:55.000 I fit the fucking description, man.

01:04:56.840 If you're not intelligent enough to catch it, it'll fly right over your head.

01:05:02.320 Yeah, man.

01:05:02.540 So what pisses me off is the black people who that shit fly clean over their head.

01:05:05.800 Hold on, can I be real, though?

01:05:06.560 I be going crazy.

01:05:07.000 Bro, you're hypersensitive to it because it's your identity.

01:05:09.440 Absolutely.

01:05:10.080 Yes.

01:05:10.520 Absolutely.

01:05:11.100 So let's be real.

01:05:11.940 Let's be real.

01:05:12.500 Like you, dude, everybody-

01:05:14.420 Listen, the first thing I fucking said to you, I said, fuck, dude, you're a fucking

01:05:18.340 big dude.

01:05:19.140 Yeah.

01:05:19.540 Bro, that's a powerful thing.

01:05:21.460 Like that is not meant to like- that is like a power thing.

01:05:24.340 Like that's me saying, holy shit, dude, that's- I think that's cool.

01:05:27.160 Yeah.

01:05:27.400 All right?

01:05:28.220 So I'm like-

01:05:29.180 Go ahead.

01:05:30.460 I think like, well, what I was getting to is like, I feel like microaggression is just

01:05:35.060 a new word for stereotype.

01:05:36.280 And I think people still perpetuate-

01:05:39.200 Well, there's stereotypes.

01:05:40.120 Racial stereotypes.

01:05:42.240 And it's just like-

01:05:42.940 But there's racial stereotypes every wish to-

01:05:45.580 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:46.120 But-

01:05:47.000 Asians are gonna mad.

01:05:48.040 But here's the thing.

01:05:49.160 Individually-

01:05:49.280 But you ain't shot for that shit.

01:05:50.680 But listen, individually, something that someone might say-

01:05:54.200 But listen, this is the thing.

01:05:55.360 But who's shooting you?

01:05:56.360 It's-

01:05:56.940 Individually-

01:05:57.800 Exactly.

01:05:58.140 So the system let off-

01:05:59.200 Oh, bro, that ain't true.

01:06:00.440 Listen, no, no, no.

01:06:02.140 See, here's the thing.

01:06:03.180 But we got-

01:06:03.620 Okay, if we don't address, we got to address the real numbers.

01:06:05.120 We got to talk about police, right?

01:06:06.480 Oh, we will.

01:06:06.860 But before we get to police, we got to talk about-

01:06:09.340 All right, I'm good.

01:06:10.240 Yeah, go ahead, bro.

01:06:11.400 I'm sorry.

01:06:11.840 Tommy, we all apologize to you, bro.

01:06:14.100 Yeah.

01:06:14.520 No, because he won't be over your-

01:06:15.960 I want my fucking reparations, bro, right now.

01:06:17.960 You savages over here.

01:06:19.220 Yeah, yo, so I'm trying-

01:06:20.440 Listen, I'm trying-

01:06:21.120 Well, that's racist, so-

01:06:22.020 I'm trying to fucking-

01:06:23.080 I'm trying to be-

01:06:23.840 You're a savage, too.

01:06:24.380 You're a white savage.

01:06:25.260 I'm a black savage.

01:06:25.800 So my whole thing is like, I think that it's-

01:06:30.280 There's-

01:06:32.120 I will approach a stereotype towards me with empathy.

01:06:37.320 Almost as I-

01:06:38.500 Like, if someone says something like that, I look at them and I'm like, damn, you stupid as fuck.

01:06:44.340 Right, dude.

01:06:45.100 God bless you.

01:06:45.560 And yeah, I'm just like, and I keep it moving.

01:06:47.900 Like, it doesn't impact me anymore.

01:06:50.140 Right?

01:06:50.900 You have a choice here.

01:06:52.100 And I'm gonna be quick.

01:06:52.800 You have a choice here.

01:06:54.140 Before, our people couldn't say anything.

01:06:56.560 They'll get lynched.

01:06:57.360 They'll get thrown in jail.

01:06:58.360 So you have that choice.

01:06:59.620 But other people have the choice to be like, fuck you.

01:07:01.880 Get the fuck out of my face.

01:07:03.060 We have a choice now.

01:07:04.140 Oh, no, no.

01:07:04.500 I'm not disagreeing.

01:07:05.420 I'm talking about every-

01:07:06.760 I'm talking about individually.

01:07:09.120 Yeah.

01:07:09.440 Everyone has their own reaction to that.

01:07:11.340 It does exist.

01:07:12.640 And then it's like, you know, I choose to move through stuff like that and not-

01:07:17.480 And like, I don't need to acknowledge it because it takes up energy when I'm trying to get money.

01:07:23.200 Because the thing is-

01:07:23.760 You know what I mean?

01:07:24.300 Like, and that's 100%.

01:07:25.380 And then when I look at it like that, I'm like, yo, you know, I'm a crack baby.

01:07:30.080 I was abandoned at the hospital.

01:07:31.580 You know what I mean?

01:07:32.020 Like, I fucking grew up fucking doing all the bullshit, fighting, getting arrested.

01:07:36.540 I got beat by the cops.

01:07:37.940 I fucking work with the police now.

01:07:39.640 I help them.

01:07:40.240 I try to fucking, you know, bridge the gap.

01:07:42.680 And because I don't, I'm not holding a grudge because somebody had, like, what we're doing now is God's work.

01:07:50.380 Whatever you believe in is God's work because we're opening communication between people who have different thoughts and experiences or very similar ones and just might not have the same amount of melanin to talk about what the solution is in this country.

01:08:04.860 What needs to happen, right, if acknowledgement is the first step, because that's not enough.

01:08:13.080 Like, acknowledging our past, right, as African Americans is not enough.

01:08:18.180 But that has to start.

01:08:19.280 So we acknowledge it.

01:08:20.580 But then what?

01:08:21.680 You know, then we have to tackle the issue with the community and the banking, central banking infrastructure, which the industrialized banking infrastructure is inherently racist.

01:08:32.480 Because they make money off people who are African American staying poor to be mad at white people and not them.

01:08:41.800 Well, everybody's poor compared to them.

01:08:43.440 Which, which, which, which, which, which really, like, you make profound points, right?

01:08:48.660 Now, we have to understand that no matter who the president is, black people are always the most underemployed people, right?

01:08:59.880 Obama didn't fix it.

01:09:01.260 Trump raised it a little bit.

01:09:02.240 But we're always still dead last.

01:09:04.580 So let's look at.

01:09:05.460 What was the thing you said?

01:09:06.660 What?

01:09:07.620 What did Trump do?

01:09:09.100 What?

01:09:09.520 He improved it a little.

01:09:10.540 Okay, I just want to check.

01:09:11.360 Yeah, the country, the country was doing.

01:09:14.580 I'm just fucking with you, man.

01:09:15.860 Like, no, no, no, no, because I can say some things that, you know.

01:09:19.660 We got to acknowledge the good and the bad and all that.

01:09:21.340 Yeah, we, and the thing is, I, I, I, I appreciate that.

01:09:24.580 I'm not a hypocrite.

01:09:25.360 So I can say that, right?

01:09:26.320 That's real.

01:09:26.640 But nobody really fixed it, right?

01:09:28.620 No.

01:09:28.780 So I don't, like, I don't want to spend the rest of my life marching and fighting against this system.

01:09:36.820 Well, you're not.

01:09:37.300 You're fixing it.

01:09:38.160 The way that I fix this system is by creating those healing centers in our community where I can make people employable, where I can give people the skills that they need.

01:09:46.600 Like, fuck that.

01:09:47.380 The reason why he's able to succeed is because he had a certain group of talents he had, might have had, may or may not have had support to help him get there.

01:09:56.680 There's so many of us.

01:09:58.200 Yeah, I said may or may not have, right?

01:10:00.100 But what we have to understand is there are a lot of people who don't have the bare necessities.

01:10:07.260 They don't have shit.

01:10:08.060 They don't have shit.

01:10:08.840 So we got to teach them at the same time.

01:10:11.560 We got to tear down these systems, right?

01:10:14.000 We got to take control of our schools.

01:10:16.240 But stop voting for the same people.

01:10:18.440 See, the thing is, it ain't, it's not about who you voting for because all politicians are prostitutes.

01:10:25.120 But we all agree.

01:10:25.640 Because if Republicans were so good, then it wouldn't be so many white people stuck in trailer parks and on welfare.

01:10:32.040 Let's stop.

01:10:32.540 Come on.

01:10:32.960 Hey, hey, hey.

01:10:33.940 He's right.

01:10:35.560 No, he is right.

01:10:36.280 That's right.

01:10:36.960 If they were that great, they would have fixed these problems.

01:10:39.260 I'm not saying that everybody always says black people vote for the same people.

01:10:43.060 Nah.

01:10:43.480 All these politicians are screwing up.

01:10:44.400 How do we get, how, so here's a question is, do we need a new party?

01:10:49.380 And how do we get all working class and poor people, how do we get all working class and poor people together to support the same party?

01:11:00.280 Well, first, we have to stop saying that we're fucking different.

01:11:03.520 We got to stop saying that we're fucking different.

01:11:05.140 That's how, that's the first step.

01:11:06.220 No, no, we need to say we are different.

01:11:09.920 We don't agree on everything.

01:11:11.760 But here's what we agree on.

01:11:13.200 Let's work together.

01:11:14.040 That's 100% accurate.

01:11:16.200 We can't just say me, you know, me and Andy have a big brawl, a fist fight over something that was really important, a violation of trust.

01:11:24.780 We can't expect us to come together and make amends without addressing that issue.

01:11:30.540 So let's address the issues.

01:11:32.020 It's going to be hard.

01:11:33.160 It's going to be uncomfortable.

01:11:34.720 It's going to be ugly.

01:11:35.780 A lot of the problem with the CRT argument is people don't want to feel uncomfortable.

01:11:41.760 Black people feel uncomfortable every day, bro.

01:11:44.700 Like, fuck it.

01:11:45.420 If we're going to say suck it up and keep trucking, then everybody should suck it up and keep trucking.

01:11:51.580 I don't disagree.

01:11:52.340 Guess what?

01:11:52.800 Like, come on.

01:11:54.200 And this is what comes from these conversations.

01:11:56.340 Do you think that it's beneficial for kids to be told that they're going to have struggles because of the color of their skin?

01:12:08.180 And this is why I'm asking this, because if you reject that idea and just keep going anyway, despite the fact that it may be true, you bear less of a burden to create an excuse for yourself to not keep going.

01:12:25.140 And that's the question that I've struggled with with CRT.

01:12:28.080 And is it valid?

01:12:29.460 Is there validity in it?

01:12:30.600 Because I understand the necessity to need acknowledgement to heal.

01:12:35.460 However, is the ideology that there's a perpetuated self-victimization going to help anyone to succeed or exceed to their potential?

01:12:45.860 I don't think it's self-victimization when you have failing schools in our communities, right?

01:12:52.160 You have our people who are unemployed, who are discriminated against.

01:12:55.580 We made so many strides in 2020 with the riots where corporations diversified.

01:13:02.320 They ran out and couldn't hire enough black people, right?

01:13:05.180 So you have these instances, right?

01:13:08.960 It's not self-victimization when there's a predatory system that is devouring you, right?

01:13:18.420 So is it wrong for us to say, this is the truth?

01:13:23.340 This is what's happening?

01:13:24.760 This is what you face as black people?

01:13:27.460 There are people out here who don't believe in systemic racism.

01:13:30.960 We all know it exists.

01:13:32.340 There are people who don't believe.

01:13:34.560 So we have to destroy these narratives.

01:13:36.640 I think people don't believe it's as bad as what people say.

01:13:38.940 They didn't give a fuck if there was a system or not.

01:13:41.100 Then that's my point.

01:13:41.740 How many...

01:13:42.480 So answer me this, Hawk.

01:13:44.440 Are you saying that it's in the entire black community that has issues?

01:13:47.360 Because if you are, then how do you explain the outliers?

01:13:53.000 The talented 10%.

01:13:55.120 That's...

01:13:55.720 So you're saying it's only 10% of African-Americans that are successful?

01:13:59.100 That's W.E.B. Du Bois' theory that there are a certain amount of us that understand, that know how to function, know how to thrive.

01:14:08.320 Regardless.

01:14:08.740 And we...

01:14:09.200 You're saying it's only 10%?

01:14:10.240 And we...

01:14:10.260 I don't know what the exact number is.

01:14:11.760 I'm talking about W.E. Du Bois.

01:14:13.020 This is decades ago, right?

01:14:14.220 Yeah, yeah.

01:14:14.520 And it's our job to go back and teach them.

01:14:17.980 Like, you have...

01:14:19.340 Like, I live in the shits, bro.

01:14:20.660 I understand this.

01:14:21.120 I live in the South Bronx.

01:14:22.320 I teach these kids.

01:14:23.700 I'm on the street corners.

01:14:25.480 Let's...

01:14:25.940 If we're going to keep it 100, most of these activists aren't from where we're from.

01:14:30.780 Like, I live in the poorest congressional district in the country.

01:14:34.500 I moved to the Upper West Side, which is really affluent.

01:14:37.260 But I came back home to help my people.

01:14:39.440 I cannot be a hypocrite.

01:14:41.060 But what I'm saying is these experiences are real.

01:14:44.560 Like, you have guidance counselors telling our kids they won't be shit.

01:14:48.620 Bro, he's...

01:14:49.480 You know what my guidance counselor told me?

01:14:51.120 Yeah.

01:14:51.520 My guidance counselor told me that...

01:14:54.040 I said, hey...

01:14:55.700 He said, hey, where do you want to go to school at?

01:14:57.920 And I was a football player.

01:14:59.040 I said, I want to go to Texas or I want to go to Notre Dame.

01:15:01.940 Right on.

01:15:02.220 And he said to me...

01:15:03.400 He said, well, you're not smart enough to go to either one of those schools.

01:15:05.660 He said, what you should do is just go to community college and get a job.

01:15:09.220 That's probably going to be your best path.

01:15:10.620 He said, those schools...

01:15:11.820 Those schools...

01:15:12.220 And this is an exact quote.

01:15:13.540 Those schools are for cream of the crop and you ain't cream of the crop.

01:15:17.260 Wow.

01:15:17.940 So it ain't just black people getting told that.

01:15:19.740 No, it's not.

01:15:20.320 It's fucking loser fucking teachers that can't fucking do shit telling our kids the wrong shit.

01:15:26.040 That's the problem too.

01:15:26.600 I'm with you.

01:15:27.120 I'm with you, right?

01:15:28.240 And what I believe...

01:15:29.060 I'm going to let you talk, brother.

01:15:30.060 But what I believe is the poor white person's experience is real, right?

01:15:38.320 Nobody's...

01:15:38.880 It's just as real as black.

01:15:39.520 Nobody's not...

01:15:40.520 No, it's not.

01:15:41.740 Because you have this thing called systemic racism.

01:15:45.520 You have these things that bar us from certain opportunities and advantages because of our skin color.

01:15:51.960 These are studies.

01:15:53.760 It's not even a matter of opinion.

01:15:55.380 No, but, Hawker, it is though because, again, so how do you explain to me the outlier?

01:15:58.640 Because what you're calling outliers, you're saying that you're trying to paint it as if

01:16:03.720 like the entire black community has an issue with moving forward.

01:16:06.260 And that's not the case.

01:16:06.880 No, that's not.

01:16:07.620 That's not the case.

01:16:08.520 And so my point is then, so how do you explain...

01:16:11.760 Because it's not 10%.

01:16:12.940 It's actually more...

01:16:14.200 It's actually more like 60% of the black community has the wealth.

01:16:19.500 They, despite of what the entire narratives are, despite of what people tell them, there's

01:16:25.480 a...

01:16:25.720 The richest man in this, in a 200-mile radius of where we are, the richest man is a black

01:16:31.440 man.

01:16:32.500 You know what I'm saying?

01:16:33.100 So you're telling me that he has...

01:16:34.480 60% of black people have wealth is what you're saying to me.

01:16:37.240 Absolutely.

01:16:37.960 You got to show me that number.

01:16:38.980 It's evident...

01:16:39.700 Well, I mean, what is wealth?

01:16:40.700 It takes $150,000 to be in the top 10%.

01:16:42.740 Yeah.

01:16:43.260 I know plenty of black people who are over that number.

01:16:45.520 No, you got...

01:16:46.480 Because the thing is, when you put numbers, you put numbers on things, you really have

01:16:52.340 to back those numbers up.

01:16:53.620 No, 100%.

01:16:54.080 Now, what we're talking about is...

01:16:56.260 It takes $150,000.

01:16:57.400 I can throw a number at you, right?

01:16:58.880 Uh-huh.

01:16:59.780 South Bronx.

01:17:00.720 The Bronx has a 60% high school dropout.

01:17:05.320 Mm-hmm.

01:17:05.880 Right?

01:17:06.480 Yeah.

01:17:06.780 Our city is failing our kids, right?

01:17:10.620 You have this thing called the school-to-prison pipeline.

01:17:14.660 I know that.

01:17:15.260 That's a real thing.

01:17:16.320 Sure.

01:17:16.560 Where it's like, they're putting our kids on a path to jail.

01:17:20.340 100%.

01:17:20.780 Right?

01:17:21.400 From the very beginning.

01:17:23.340 Like, so what I'm saying to you is, yeah, I understand.

01:17:27.060 Poor white people.

01:17:28.600 Do you think that that doesn't exist in poor white South?

01:17:31.820 No, I believe that poor white people have their struggles.

01:17:35.660 I'm not going to deny that.

01:17:36.560 No, no, I'm saying...

01:17:37.080 If you go and talk to them, they're going to be worried about housing.

01:17:39.680 They're going to be worried about job security.

01:17:41.720 Crime, because it's the same issue there.

01:17:43.200 They're going to have similar worries, right?

01:17:45.380 Well, no, but my specific question is, do you think that that's not relevant, the school-to-prison

01:17:51.960 pipeline in poor white communities as well?

01:17:55.640 Because the data supports that it is the same.

01:17:58.060 Well, you're going to have to pull out some numbers.

01:18:01.240 Before we get out of here.

01:18:02.320 I got it.

01:18:02.480 Here's my thing, right?

01:18:05.520 If you look at our judicial system, right, white people with similar criminal backgrounds

01:18:13.580 and histories as black people get less sentences.

01:18:18.220 Their punishments are far less.

01:18:19.760 So do men versus women.

01:18:21.300 Yeah, of course.

01:18:22.340 But we're still talking about this color thing.

01:18:24.380 And we're having to acknowledge that it's real, that it's really happening.

01:18:28.620 Because I don't remember the last time you went into a courtroom and heard a black kid

01:18:32.740 get told, you have a future.

01:18:34.580 So even though you raped this woman, or even though you committed this heinous act, you

01:18:40.440 have a future.

01:18:41.160 So I'm going to let you go.

01:18:42.580 Hey, white woman with a DUI, you're not going to jail because you're a pretty nice person.

01:18:48.860 It doesn't work right there.

01:18:49.660 No, you're saying rape versus DUI.

01:18:51.620 No, no, no.

01:18:52.180 But these are cases just from this year.

01:18:54.020 That's why I bought them up.

01:18:55.020 Oh, OK.

01:18:55.460 You know what I'm saying?

01:18:56.220 These are, these are, these are, these are, like, white kids in white.

01:19:00.800 And you see it.

01:19:02.100 Well, their parents also pay for attorneys.

01:19:04.160 And like, first, I'll tell you this as someone who spent 10 months paying $30,000 a month.

01:19:09.420 You know what I mean?

01:19:10.140 The last 10 months.

01:19:11.260 Yeah, for attorney's fees.

01:19:13.860 You get what you pay for.

01:19:14.980 And the thing is, you're able to pay for these things because you have this wealth gap, right?

01:19:22.400 Where white people are here and black people are there, right?

01:19:25.160 And the reason that black people are there was because of something that you talked about earlier.

01:19:29.780 But I defy, I defy the wealth gap.

01:19:32.760 Huh?

01:19:32.980 But I defy the wealth gap.

01:19:33.660 And there's plenty of black people that do.

01:19:35.280 There's a lot.

01:19:35.960 Nobody's saying that there aren't exceptions.

01:19:37.900 But bro, let me tell you something.

01:19:39.040 He wants that education of how to do that readily available for all African Americans.

01:19:45.400 None of us are good until we're all good.

01:19:47.100 Because they had those opportunities.

01:19:49.000 And you know, it may not be much.

01:19:50.320 It may be a small plot of real estate, but they have it.

01:19:52.700 So the conversations around the dinner table are a little bit different.

01:19:55.920 You're talking about mortgages.

01:19:57.260 Dad has a white collar job.

01:19:58.700 You're talking about money.

01:20:00.180 Kids aren't getting that experience.

01:20:01.900 Listen, I totally agree with that.

01:20:03.180 That's true.

01:20:03.820 Listen, I totally 100% agree with what he's saying.

01:20:07.080 We've been saying this for two years, bro.

01:20:08.600 You're saying it a different way.

01:20:11.160 We have real fucking problems in the black communities.

01:20:13.640 And the problem is the socioeconomic difference.

01:20:16.280 That's a fucking problem.

01:20:17.720 And we have shitty schools.

01:20:19.540 And we have shitty fucking teachers.

01:20:21.100 And we have people who don't give a fuck.

01:20:22.840 And that is a burden that all people of all races that are citizens of this country should fucking care about.

01:20:28.620 Well, that's also, it's a reflection of what happens when we let the state run things.

01:20:32.540 Like people want the state to have more control.

01:20:35.600 You ever go to the DMV?

01:20:36.740 Like, you're like, bro, I don't want them controlling health care.

01:20:40.180 I don't want them controlling things.

01:20:41.620 So instead of calling, instead of, and this is what I would ask you to consider as a leader of black communities, okay?

01:20:48.900 We can't generalize that against all white people.

01:20:52.700 Because like, dude, that makes white people disenfranchised with helping the fucking cause.

01:20:56.420 Here's the problem, bro.

01:20:58.080 Ain't nobody saying all white people are racist.

01:21:00.520 But we were saying there's a lot of people saying that.

01:21:02.240 Not everybody's saying that.

01:21:04.740 But there's a lot of people saying that.

01:21:06.820 Yeah, but the thing is, right?

01:21:09.160 And I would like, here's what I'm asking.

01:21:10.520 Okay.

01:21:10.960 I would like for you as a black leader to not condone that shit.

01:21:17.380 Because dude, we cannot move forward with that.

01:21:19.260 Let me give you this, right?

01:21:20.340 Okay.

01:21:20.560 Let me give you this.

01:21:22.160 When white people want something to change in America, it changes, right?

01:21:28.240 Something, something, something happens, right?

01:21:31.280 They want everybody to get these vaccines.

01:21:32.820 We got these vaccines.

01:21:33.860 Like, you know what I mean?

01:21:34.940 Like, when white people really care about an issue, you know, America mobilizes.

01:21:42.140 So imagine suffering for 400 plus years and motherfuckers ain't mobilized to fix it.

01:21:49.320 You gotta, you feel some type of way.

01:21:52.840 I can get that.

01:21:53.660 You know what I'm saying?

01:21:54.340 Like, you feel some type of way, like, bro, you see, you see me drowning.

01:21:59.740 Y'all, y'all all see me drowning.

01:22:01.860 We still haven't fixed this.

01:22:04.160 We still haven't paid these reparations that everybody that's aggrieved gets.

01:22:08.580 Like, do you really care?

01:22:11.560 And now, and now for a lot of people, it's like, you don't care about me?

01:22:15.620 Fuck you.

01:22:16.540 There's a real type of militancy that's with it.

01:22:20.120 You understand?

01:22:20.800 Yeah.

01:22:20.940 And I completely understand that militancy.

01:22:24.340 You know what I mean?

01:22:25.380 I fucking do, too.

01:22:26.460 Yeah.

01:22:26.760 But here's what I'm telling you.

01:22:29.340 That ain't going to solve it.

01:22:30.740 What's going to solve it is fucking you and I sitting the fuck down and getting some other

01:22:34.640 motherfuckers like we're doing right now and say, all right, this is what we got to do.

01:22:38.580 That's what's going to solve it.

01:22:39.300 I think also, too, like, we don't need any more division.

01:22:42.760 Resentment is the number one offender of progress.

01:22:46.580 So the anger precludes the ability to invite everyone to the table to fix things.

01:22:55.460 And I understand.

01:22:56.440 Listen, I'll tell you.

01:22:57.720 Well, how many people have you on the show to actually have a conversation versus just trying

01:23:02.820 to get a fucking soundbite off you?

01:23:05.040 See what I'm saying?

01:23:05.380 Major Cohen.

01:23:06.320 Major Garrett.

01:23:07.240 But not many.

01:23:08.060 Just one.

01:23:09.180 Just for all these interviews.

01:23:10.540 Now it's two.

01:23:11.320 Now it's two.

01:23:12.100 Except for DJ.

01:23:13.380 So to finish the talk.

01:23:15.600 You ain't like Candace Owens, who's a poverty pimp.

01:23:20.900 She's the Republican version of Al Sharpton.

01:23:23.120 Had to get that out there.

01:23:24.080 Don't edit it out.

01:23:25.140 Don't edit it out.

01:23:26.440 Don't edit it out.

01:23:28.340 Bro, I'll hit on that in a minute.

01:23:30.200 I'm going to get an email about that.

01:23:32.480 So, you know, the principle of, you know, if resentment is the number one offender, self-pity

01:23:41.160 is number two, right?

01:23:42.620 How do we, I don't think that making white people feel bad about being white is a solution.

01:23:50.260 I don't think that, and I don't think that burning shit down, and this is me, I'm going

01:23:55.280 to say this, I'm probably going to get in trouble for this, bro, I don't see any validity

01:23:58.920 in destroying fucking stores.

01:24:01.800 I don't see any validity in burning down malls or shopping centers or this or the other

01:24:07.220 or going to Rodeo Drive or whatever, unless you're like trying to get up, you know what

01:24:10.560 I mean?

01:24:10.740 Now, do I see validity in people coming together and going to the institutions where the change

01:24:20.220 needs to happen?

01:24:21.660 Yes.

01:24:22.840 Like, I would much rather have seen, I'm talking about the fucking government institutions,

01:24:29.320 state departments, you know what I mean?

01:24:31.180 The mayor's office, all that stuff.

01:24:33.060 Well, yeah, the media, all of it, and saying, yo, we want real change.

01:24:40.140 And I just didn't, it's hard to get, it's hard to get people behind everything, all the

01:24:51.160 validation of what your cause is.

01:24:53.860 Because it's hard for other people to get behind it when it's being falsely represented.

01:24:59.160 No, not only falsely represented, but also if you ain't with it, you're a fucking racist

01:25:03.560 piece of shit who doesn't deserve to fucking live, which is what I've been called for two

01:25:07.440 fucking years.

01:25:08.120 It's part of the false representation.

01:25:09.520 I know, because I haven't fucking posted the motherfucking Black Square when I knew that

01:25:13.720 it was a fucking grift from day one because I come from St. Louis where Michael Brown was

01:25:18.080 fucking killed and I saw the shit happen.

01:25:20.100 The Black Square.

01:25:20.680 I saw him come here, take all the motherfucking money and leave.

01:25:23.780 I saw him do it.

01:25:24.640 The Black Square was also a cover up to fucking cover up a politician who was under a federal

01:25:29.420 investigation that day.

01:25:31.100 Here's the thing, right?

01:25:32.220 Here's the thing.

01:25:33.000 I got enough conspiracy theories in my mind to add one.

01:25:36.040 Okay.

01:25:36.440 Right?

01:25:37.160 Here's the thing.

01:25:37.880 Oh, we're talking about language.

01:25:38.860 What we're talking about is truth versus feelings.

01:25:45.040 I give a fuck about somebody's feelings.

01:25:48.440 You need to tell the truth.

01:25:49.820 We need to talk about how our people were treated, how these systems operate.

01:25:54.260 And if white people, no, no, let me finish.

01:25:57.960 Okay.

01:25:58.200 If white people have to deal with that, then that's something they have to deal with.

01:26:04.040 Sure.

01:26:04.260 You understand?

01:26:05.240 So you were talking about-

01:26:06.840 But you want people to acknowledge one group of people's feelings, but then say, fuck

01:26:11.700 your feelings is not the way to go about getting them to empathize.

01:26:15.520 Look, I don't see the thing.

01:26:16.860 I'm just trying to say, look, there's a way.

01:26:19.660 Look, it's going to take everybody to fix the problem.

01:26:21.720 No, I get it.

01:26:22.260 There's money and there's vinegar, and I'll tell you which one will catch one flies.

01:26:24.740 Here's the thing, bro.

01:26:26.160 It's 3.40.

01:26:27.540 I could say it's 3.40 p.m.

01:26:29.980 Or I could say it's 3.40 p.m.

01:26:32.900 The time is still the time.

01:26:34.900 Yeah.

01:26:35.580 The truth is still the truth.

01:26:36.820 Well, then let's talk about some facts.

01:26:37.900 So we could work, and we could talk about things, but let's not get away from the truth.

01:26:45.240 Dude, I actually think what I hear, dude, like, I'll be real.

01:26:48.260 Like, I think we're all saying the same shit a different way because what I hear is that

01:26:53.780 we need better schooling.

01:26:55.380 We need more money in the inner city communities.

01:26:58.020 We need people to give a fuck.

01:26:59.900 And guess what?

01:27:01.300 That'll fix the culture where we have all these people killing each other.

01:27:04.620 We need federal interference.

01:27:06.620 Is that not what you're saying?

01:27:07.360 With the banking infrastructures.

01:27:08.360 That's it.

01:27:08.960 What have I been saying for the last two fucking years?

01:27:11.220 That's it, bro.

01:27:11.720 That's what I'm saying.

01:27:12.440 But here's the thing, right?

01:27:13.460 You talked about validity and results.

01:27:15.780 We had black politicians for hundreds of years.

01:27:18.340 Right.

01:27:18.480 Just because we got a blackface in there, just because we got a blackface, it doesn't mean

01:27:23.240 we've had people in these places.

01:27:25.660 You want to talk about a solution?

01:27:27.440 You know when black people had the highest rates of wealth accumulation, of real estate

01:27:31.940 accumulations?

01:27:33.100 The 1960s, when we were burning things down.

01:27:37.260 Okay?

01:27:37.720 When did Black Lives Matter make the most progress?

01:27:40.380 When people took to the streets and got angry.

01:27:43.400 So you tell me what America respects.

01:27:46.420 Okay?

01:27:46.780 Hey, I'm just trying to do what's productive so I can get freedom.

01:27:51.180 You know what?

01:27:51.780 I think everybody-

01:27:52.300 The freedom that we've been denied for our people.

01:27:55.000 Yeah, but dude, see, I don't think that's exclusively black thing.

01:27:58.000 Okay.

01:27:58.280 I believe that that is- I believe that America right now is the biggest fucking scam going.

01:28:04.180 Okay?

01:28:04.700 And people don't get mad at me for saying that because I'm a fucking patriot.

01:28:07.380 Talk about it.

01:28:07.920 All right?

01:28:08.680 Our fucking country wasn't meant to be what the fuck we have.

01:28:11.500 At all.

01:28:11.780 You and I talked about this last night.

01:28:12.840 At all.

01:28:13.200 Yeah.

01:28:13.420 Okay?

01:28:14.180 These motherfuckers got together.

01:28:15.440 Okay?

01:28:15.680 And you want to say whatever the fuck you say about the guys that wrote this constitution.

01:28:18.680 I don't give a shit.

01:28:20.180 Here's the truth.

01:28:21.140 They wrote down a fucking idea.

01:28:22.800 And that idea works.

01:28:24.680 Okay?

01:28:25.260 Yeah.

01:28:25.500 The problem is we got a bunch of motherfuckers running the play that ain't running the play

01:28:28.720 for us.

01:28:29.360 They're running the play for themselves.

01:28:30.760 They're not following the constitution.

01:28:32.180 No.

01:28:32.500 Not at all.

01:28:33.000 They threw it out the window.

01:28:33.860 What?

01:28:34.060 They threw the Nuremberg.

01:28:35.320 Carnivore.

01:28:36.300 9-11.

01:28:37.300 Yeah.

01:28:37.560 The Fourth Amendment was gone, bro.

01:28:39.560 Like, they just...

01:28:40.440 Bro, listen.

01:28:41.540 These people...

01:28:42.740 We have gone from a representation of the people for the people to a representation for

01:28:49.000 us.

01:28:49.660 And guess what?

01:28:50.320 We ain't in the group of them saying us.

01:28:52.420 At all.

01:28:53.060 Okay?

01:28:53.480 At all.

01:28:53.760 And that goes for you.

01:28:54.600 Yeah.

01:28:54.800 It goes for you.

01:28:55.860 And it goes for every motherfucker listening to this podcast.

01:28:58.380 That's the truth.

01:28:59.440 No.

01:28:59.620 And until we can come together, bro, because I agree with every motherfucker...

01:29:02.520 That's the thing they're the most afraid of is if both sides get tired enough of fighting

01:29:08.880 each other and get together...

01:29:11.100 And then shit will change.

01:29:12.160 Yeah.

01:29:12.440 That's how it really will change.

01:29:13.760 Because if you have everybody...

01:29:14.940 And if you don't think they're going to do everything in their power to stop that from

01:29:17.580 happening, you're out of your mind.

01:29:19.460 Bro, come on, man.

01:29:20.880 Look, dude.

01:29:22.120 Most people are seriously...

01:29:23.660 We're hour 30 in the show.

01:29:24.780 Most people listening right now, holy shit, Andy's got the leader of BLM on his fucking show.

01:29:28.880 They're still thinking about that.

01:29:30.680 Okay?

01:29:31.520 The reason they're still thinking about that is because the media has created an image

01:29:35.880 that you and I fucking hate each other when, guess what?

01:29:38.320 We haven't had a cross motherfucking word since we've known each other.

01:29:41.560 Okay?

01:29:42.540 Only me and DJ.

01:29:43.900 The most...

01:29:44.620 Yeah.

01:29:46.140 But, bro, and you know what?

01:29:47.720 Neither one of us are bowing down and saying, oh, dude.

01:29:50.540 Like, dude, it's a man thing.

01:29:52.120 Like, we're sitting down...

01:29:52.760 It's a person thing.

01:29:53.960 Yeah.

01:29:54.240 Because I think women...

01:29:55.780 Okay, you're right.

01:29:56.800 I'm serious.

01:29:57.520 It's like the most radical people in our community is the most...

01:30:00.840 Yeah, that's why we gotta...

01:30:01.900 The warriors in the black community are black women.

01:30:05.580 No, no, no.

01:30:06.200 It's white women, too.

01:30:07.080 It's just women, bro.

01:30:07.560 It's women, bro.

01:30:08.220 It's women, period.

01:30:09.400 Yeah.

01:30:09.680 Women are very upset about everything.

01:30:12.120 So, dude, like, for real talk, you know, we're seeing this from different perspectives,

01:30:19.080 but we're identifying the exact same problem.

01:30:20.760 You're seeing six, I'm seeing nine, but it's still a fucking number.

01:30:23.840 Well, I don't know about that.

01:30:25.300 I think I can see where Hawk's coming from with what he's thinking.

01:30:27.860 Yeah, yeah.

01:30:28.440 But, like, dude, I'll tell you what.

01:30:30.140 I don't like getting harassed when I take a picture with two other white dudes calling

01:30:33.500 me racist.

01:30:34.480 I don't like that shit.

01:30:35.140 You had a three fingers up?

01:30:36.720 No.

01:30:37.680 Yo, you know...

01:30:38.640 That's the problem.

01:30:39.280 You know some conspiracy...

01:30:41.820 So, bro, that's low-key a pedo symbol on a conspiracy tip.

01:30:47.000 We don't have tinfoil hats.

01:30:48.480 No, we do.

01:30:48.880 Oh, we do?

01:30:49.760 Okay.

01:30:50.200 But I'm...

01:30:50.780 So, and then this was also instituted in the Boy Scouts of America.

01:30:54.900 A-OK.

01:30:56.380 As a symbol.

01:30:57.240 Scary.

01:30:57.860 Yeah, it's weird.

01:30:58.580 Wild shit, bro.

01:30:59.720 That's rabbit hole shit.

01:31:00.760 People were like, yo.

01:31:02.420 But anyway, I just thought I'd bring that up because that was...

01:31:05.360 All I'm saying is...

01:31:06.460 Like, that's racist.

01:31:07.300 I'm like, that's also something else.

01:31:09.000 And it's also 666 because it's a six three times.

01:31:13.780 Heavy.

01:31:14.480 Yeah, bro.

01:31:15.220 Yo, get with it, bro.

01:31:16.460 Where the fuck do you find this shit?

01:31:17.440 Bro!

01:31:17.920 Bro, I be knowing the things, bro.

01:31:20.220 Go watch the old podcast when I was here a year ago.

01:31:24.380 We're talking the conspiracy theory.

01:31:24.640 All we got to do is go up under this motherfucking desk.

01:31:26.320 We got to take it down the rabbit hole, bro.

01:31:28.300 Bro, we're talking...

01:31:29.140 You're sitting with the conspiracy trio.

01:31:31.660 Bro, bro, we...

01:31:32.680 Got it.

01:31:33.460 You're in the Bermuda Triangle.

01:31:36.420 They were right.

01:31:37.600 I know, bro.

01:31:38.540 I know.

01:31:38.900 All that shit.

01:31:39.700 I always say, you're always crazy until you're right.

01:31:42.800 Now, I had this beef with New York City's mayor, right?

01:31:45.360 Yeah.

01:31:46.160 And everybody had a problem with Eric Adams until I came up and said, you know what?

01:31:52.260 What you're talking about is wrong.

01:31:54.480 There are a lot better ways to do what you're trying to do.

01:31:58.880 We live in the age of technology.

01:32:00.300 We live in the age of innovation.

01:32:02.100 You can really figure out policing.

01:32:04.300 You can figure this out in a whole new way and do some great things.

01:32:08.880 But he just wants to go back to the old way, right?

01:32:12.380 So when I said that, everybody left me out the drive.

01:32:15.900 Everybody.

01:32:16.580 They were like...

01:32:17.120 They kind of shied away from me.

01:32:18.160 Well, the media...

01:32:18.960 This is why you're here.

01:32:20.120 The media pains you to be a fucking terrorist.

01:32:22.220 And guess what they like to do to me?

01:32:24.780 Okay?

01:32:25.000 So I can understand that.

01:32:26.600 If you don't stay on cue, like you're an individualist, right?

01:32:31.040 So you have different opinions on different things.

01:32:33.780 If you're not on cue, they're like, yo, you got to go.

01:32:36.620 It's all or nothing.

01:32:37.940 And that's the problem.

01:32:38.480 I just want to talk about fucking tap dance issues.

01:32:40.860 Sometimes it's on both sides, too.

01:32:44.900 Me neither.

01:32:45.240 You know what the problem is?

01:32:47.120 A lot of these politicians and activists, they pay their dues, right?

01:32:53.320 They learn the system from other people who played the game before them.

01:32:57.500 Nobody let me in the door.

01:32:59.440 They actually fought to keep me out of this thing.

01:33:02.300 Yeah, because what's the most dangerous thing?

01:33:05.300 A free thinker.

01:33:06.480 A totally independent person.

01:33:08.260 Yeah.

01:33:08.400 Who handles their shit, that's healthy, that thinks freely, that makes their own decisions.

01:33:12.920 Exactly.

01:33:13.300 That's what their voices say.

01:33:14.840 Bro, 100%.

01:33:16.360 They don't want any courage at all.

01:33:17.920 No.

01:33:18.520 Look, dude.

01:33:19.760 That's not debatable.

01:33:21.840 All of us can agree on that.

01:33:23.320 Regardless of how we see the world through our worldview, we can all agree that there

01:33:29.160 is major, major, major tyranny happening in this country right now, okay?

01:33:33.420 There is a group of people right now that want us to hate.

01:33:38.340 All of us hate each other.

01:33:39.600 They want high crime, okay?

01:33:41.540 I think that's the same people who want, like, this is why the mayor is doing that, because

01:33:47.700 they don't want there to be a solution.

01:33:50.720 Absolutely.

01:33:51.160 And they can keep, if they can continue to generate money off suffering in the African-American

01:33:57.700 community, off race relations and police brutality, if they can continue to perpetuate that, then

01:34:06.700 they're going to.

01:34:07.500 See, that's the problem.

01:34:08.860 I want to say something, dude.

01:34:10.180 I'm a fucking law and order dude.

01:34:12.120 Yeah.

01:34:12.400 I don't think we should be breaking fucking laws.

01:34:14.340 Yeah.

01:34:14.540 Okay?

01:34:15.200 So, my, like, dude, do you elect me to be president?

01:34:18.300 I'm cracking motherfucking skulls, dude.

01:34:20.280 Okay?

01:34:20.720 On everybody that breaks laws.

01:34:22.780 But here's the thing.

01:34:24.420 We got to get to a point where we can get people to understand to not do that.

01:34:28.540 We also have to get-

01:34:29.260 And that there's a better way.

01:34:30.080 And that there, you know, and that's the problem.

01:34:30.880 We have to get communities to not have to resort to crime to survive.

01:34:34.760 See, here's the thing, right?

01:34:37.740 You know, we talk about, we talk about law and order.

01:34:41.520 Folks want safe communities.

01:34:43.000 That's it.

01:34:43.560 Everybody wants a safe community, right?

01:34:47.100 But if my rent is due and my kids are hungry-

01:34:53.120 You're going to do what you got to do.

01:34:53.900 I could care less about your laws.

01:34:55.320 And we also don't talk about this.

01:34:57.040 Like, we don't talk about rent stabilization, bro.

01:35:01.880 We don't, like, right now.

01:35:03.300 The rent continues to skyrocket, especially in cities where crime is going up and inflation is going up.

01:35:10.140 This is a-

01:35:10.640 Listen, guys.

01:35:11.460 They want to make it so you can never own anything.

01:35:12.620 This is a fucking communist insurgency in America.

01:35:16.140 They want the middle class and the lower class to be so fucking poor and so dependent on the government that they have no way of ever rising up to resist it.

01:35:25.680 That's the whole point of communism.

01:35:27.120 And you keep fighting yourself and killing yourself.

01:35:28.480 Communism has killed more motherfucking people in this fucking globe than any other motherfucking cause, more than any disease, more than any war, more than fucking anything.

01:35:38.400 And, dude, we got white, educated, liberal motherfuckers that go to fucking UCLA marching around with BLM flags, wanting that shit.

01:35:47.700 See, here's the thing, right?

01:35:49.140 So, um, I can see both sides.

01:35:53.400 Man, I don't.

01:35:53.920 Right?

01:35:54.280 So, I see the problems with the Republican Party.

01:35:57.720 I see the problems with the Democratic Party.

01:35:59.980 Oh, no, I agree with you there.

01:36:01.360 When we talk about this group, this control, it's them.

01:36:06.040 It's the Dems and the Republicans.

01:36:07.740 About 100 of them.

01:36:08.220 Because, like, just like the Dems have encouraged or somehow manipulated us to vote against our own best interests, the Republicans do the same thing.

01:36:18.140 Like, you had poor, poor Republican voters who were against universal health care.

01:36:25.160 And it's like, bro, you can't afford to get health care for your family, but you're fighting against it because these talking heads, these puppets tell you that you're supposed to be against it.

01:36:39.600 There's, there's, and you know, we're sitting here, we're talking, we have people who listen to us, but at the end of the day, it's our sincere belief that we have the people's best interests in mind.

01:36:51.060 They don't.

01:36:52.540 No.

01:36:52.720 They have corporate interests in mind.

01:36:56.460 Totally agree.

01:36:57.140 And they're selling, they sold their souls, right?

01:37:00.600 And they're just trying to sell us as, like, fodder.

01:37:04.100 And nobody sees it.

01:37:06.140 It's like, sometimes I feel like I'm standing in the middle of the woods just screaming and nobody hears me.

01:37:13.000 Because there's a reason, we talked about this earlier, there's a reason why they won't let me on CNN, MSNBC, and that's because I'll say the Democrats take advantage of black people.

01:37:25.980 Now, Fox News will bring me on so I can be their scary black man.

01:37:29.440 You know what I mean?

01:37:31.260 And they'll allow you to, they'll allow you to make that point for them.

01:37:34.180 Yeah.

01:37:34.440 When it benefits them.

01:37:36.140 100%.

01:37:36.820 100%.

01:37:37.360 So everybody's, you know, everybody's black lives matter, right?

01:37:42.720 Until they win the election.

01:37:45.220 After they win the election, they ain't talking about it no more.

01:37:48.300 I'm no fool.

01:37:49.240 Like, I see it for what it is.

01:37:50.760 The same mayor who was calling, you know, who we're not going to be afraid of Hawk.

01:37:55.480 He's not going to bully New York City.

01:37:57.440 My God.

01:37:58.160 How far have I come?

01:37:59.600 I'm a boy.

01:38:00.320 I'm a kid from the South Bronx.

01:38:01.880 They're talking about me bullying New York City.

01:38:04.220 Bro, you had the president.

01:38:05.200 You had to mention your name.

01:38:06.840 Yeah.

01:38:07.320 But when Eric Adams says that, this is the same man who was giving me kudos a year before

01:38:13.920 for leading Black Lives Matter.

01:38:15.040 But they all switch.

01:38:15.700 And he took your hand on the photo.

01:38:16.920 Yeah.

01:38:17.200 Like, come on.

01:38:17.940 Because what they, they're all playing a political game.

01:38:20.800 And I think that like, you know, I want to, I want to talk about, and I want to, I want

01:38:26.580 to hear from you, from your heart, what police reform looks like in inner cities in America

01:38:33.840 and how we make that happen.

01:38:36.640 Because, you know, I, I've worked with, you know, police department and LASD.

01:38:41.800 I've done ride alongs.

01:38:43.720 I've gone mostly because I'm, I've been sober for almost 13 years.

01:38:47.500 I go to schools and I talk about anti-drug and alcohol policy.

01:38:51.660 So that's how I, my relationship with these men began in doing good work.

01:38:58.260 And so I have open dialogues with lieutenants and captains and stuff about how, about what's

01:39:04.540 going on currently.

01:39:05.800 And they have ideas on how to change things.

01:39:07.900 But a lot of their, their, what they want to do to implement change is not being allowed

01:39:13.860 by the higher ups, which causes me to believe that there is an investment in perpetuating

01:39:19.680 these issues in the African-American community, which are being exploited for massive amounts

01:39:26.840 of money.

01:39:27.360 Now, I'm going to ask you a real question, right?

01:39:32.420 You want this raw or you want it palatable?

01:39:37.740 I mean, be you.

01:39:39.080 I'm going to be me.

01:39:39.740 Ooh, baby, I like you raw.

01:39:41.860 Hey, what's that say up there?

01:39:43.460 Huh?

01:39:43.840 What's that say?

01:39:44.220 Real as fuck.

01:39:44.880 That's what, that's what we want.

01:39:45.580 Okay.

01:39:46.140 So I'm going to give it to you straight.

01:39:48.960 Abolish the motherfucking police.

01:39:51.660 Police started from slavery.

01:39:55.360 There's federal data.

01:39:56.580 There's data from the best educational institutions in the world that say policing is inherently

01:40:04.500 racist, right?

01:40:06.160 There's, there's racism in policing.

01:40:08.140 There's racism in the judicial system.

01:40:10.200 Now, you could say, what do we replace it with?

01:40:13.640 Ah, fucks with you.

01:40:15.940 You want solutions.

01:40:16.740 Think about this.

01:40:21.880 Reimagine policing.

01:40:24.660 Cops are hammers.

01:40:26.580 They only see nails, right?

01:40:28.260 That's, that's, that's all they're trained for.

01:40:30.120 They're trained to deal with a multitude of problems, like in under a year, problems that

01:40:35.680 social workers, doctors, criminologists, you, everybody, psychiatrists should have to deal

01:40:41.760 with.

01:40:42.140 Right?

01:40:42.280 So why don't we raise the bar on policing?

01:40:46.240 New York spends over $11 billion annually on policing.

01:40:50.440 So you can pay people more to teach, to, to, to make sure that people obey the law.

01:40:57.620 So abolish policing as we know it, replace it with social workers, with guns.

01:41:03.180 People who show up, who are not showing up to arrest people, but showing up to figure out

01:41:11.340 what the problem is and bring about some sort of solution.

01:41:15.540 Like we live in 2022.

01:41:18.660 We made it.

01:41:19.640 So, okay.

01:41:20.340 So I hear that.

01:41:21.960 Right.

01:41:22.820 And, you know, there are issues where there's, you know, police get called for all kinds of

01:41:29.080 things.

01:41:29.480 Yes.

01:41:30.100 Domestic violence, huge, huge fucking issue.

01:41:33.060 Absolutely.

01:41:33.300 In the community.

01:41:34.720 Mental health.

01:41:35.420 Mental health.

01:41:36.140 Yes.

01:41:37.140 Now, what happens when a violent person who's either having a psyche, psycho, you know,

01:41:45.400 episode, breakdown episode and is, is, is bent on killing people.

01:41:52.540 Like can social, like I've, I've dealt, so I was, I was murdered in 2010.

01:41:57.940 Right.

01:41:58.160 I was revived.

01:41:58.800 I was killed in a home invasion by a family member.

01:42:01.680 And, uh, you know, it, there, he, he was on dust and there was no winning that.

01:42:10.180 Yeah.

01:42:10.620 You seem, you seem, you know, I don't know if you ever smoked dust, but it's Superman in

01:42:15.300 a fucking cigarette.

01:42:16.020 You can't, you can't, you can't stop somebody there.

01:42:18.520 You know what I mean?

01:42:19.320 Yeah.

01:42:19.520 So there's no social worker that's going to be able to handle that situation.

01:42:25.360 And are we putting ourselves at a disadvantage and are we lying to ourselves?

01:42:29.540 Because if we abolish law enforcement in the underserved communities, is it going to stop

01:42:36.760 crime and criminality or is it going to leave it wide open?

01:42:40.160 Because the rich people, the wealthy people, they're going to have police, they can afford

01:42:46.360 private security.

01:42:47.320 They're going to have bodyguards.

01:42:48.660 They're going to put gates on their communities.

01:42:50.420 And then the rest of everybody else.

01:42:53.040 Wow.

01:42:53.300 Wow.

01:42:53.460 West.

01:42:53.760 Who, who, who am I, who, who, you know, who do I call if my mom gets robbed?

01:42:58.780 I just want to, you're proving a great point, but I said, we have to find a better way to

01:43:08.400 make people obey the law, right?

01:43:10.960 It's culture reform.

01:43:11.640 So when we talk about these social workers, they will be trained, they will be armed, right?

01:43:19.040 But they won't be that guy who took a few classes at community college with a low IQ, right?

01:43:25.300 I know.

01:43:25.600 And I, so, so what I'm saying is, yeah, these social workers who are coming there to solve

01:43:32.020 problems, we'll have the training to put somebody down if they need to.

01:43:35.140 So where are we going to call these people?

01:43:36.580 No, I mean, so why aren't we just, why aren't we?

01:43:38.540 Whatever makes people happy.

01:43:39.840 We're going to call cops, bro.

01:43:40.840 Well, no, no, because the thing is.

01:43:42.740 Listen, listen, listen.

01:43:43.280 I got this solution for you.

01:43:44.960 Let me, let me lay it on you because you basically said it.

01:43:47.720 You said the same solution I've been saying for two years.

01:43:50.160 What's the solution, DJ?

01:43:51.320 Fund them more.

01:43:52.340 Give them, make, make these fucking careers where it's not people just coming in for a

01:43:56.120 check.

01:43:56.180 Okay, let me ask you a real question.

01:43:57.520 Yeah.

01:43:57.800 All right.

01:43:58.540 Why is it that the people that we pay our taxes to teach our kids and keep our community

01:44:07.440 safe are some of the lowest paid humans?

01:44:10.280 Why is that?

01:44:11.000 Because the government controls the taxes.

01:44:13.160 Okay.

01:44:13.600 The money.

01:44:14.240 I get that.

01:44:14.940 But how does that make fucking sense?

01:44:16.860 The kids are the most important fucking investment of our fucking country.

01:44:19.700 And the police are extremely important because their actions can have life or death circumstances

01:44:25.400 every single time.

01:44:26.700 So why do we not take the part of the trillions of fucking dollars these motherfuckers have

01:44:33.520 so much fun fucking writing checks for and actually make careers in policing that are

01:44:38.980 appealing to high quality individuals who aren't there just to flex on motherfuckers.

01:44:43.580 That's it.

01:44:44.320 Right.

01:44:44.920 And that's what we're saying is the same thing, but I don't even want to deal with

01:44:50.460 the word policing.

01:44:51.180 Isn't it interesting how we think the same solution, but we're supposed to not like each

01:44:55.780 other.

01:44:56.060 Here's a gag.

01:44:57.080 Here's a gag.

01:44:57.760 I'm about to tell a real funny joke.

01:45:00.060 Yeah.

01:45:00.320 Right.

01:45:01.140 Well, you know what the best part about a funny joke is?

01:45:03.060 Taking money.

01:45:03.440 What?

01:45:03.780 You don't got to say it's funny before it's funny.

01:45:07.340 But here's the thing.

01:45:11.360 Democrats know exactly what the fuck.

01:45:13.780 Defunding the police means.

01:45:15.820 Republicans know what defunding the police means.

01:45:18.380 It means taking that same money and investing it into the community, into programs to keep

01:45:25.920 kids off the street.

01:45:27.000 We don't need this or that.

01:45:28.780 We need both.

01:45:29.580 No, but here's the thing, right?

01:45:31.220 When you invest in these people, it decreases crime naturally.

01:45:37.600 You understand what I'm saying?

01:45:39.660 Like their biggest thing is, oh, there's never enough money.

01:45:42.760 No, you said, dude, if I don't have money to fuck, if I'm fucking free.

01:45:45.900 Okay.

01:45:46.260 The fire in the Bronx.

01:45:47.760 Yeah.

01:45:48.300 Those people are fucking poor.

01:45:50.120 They're fucking freezing.

01:45:51.580 Mm-hmm.

01:45:51.980 And fuck, dude.

01:45:53.720 That ain't right.

01:45:54.700 Okay.

01:45:55.100 We can do both.

01:45:56.320 These motherf...

01:45:56.980 That's the point.

01:45:57.900 People don't...

01:45:58.500 People do not want to understand this point.

01:46:00.180 These motherfuckers are so bad at spending money.

01:46:04.260 They take our money and they spend it on themselves.

01:46:07.180 They say, hey, you know, that toilet seat was $7,000.

01:46:12.140 Hey, Steph, you own a construction company.

01:46:14.520 Go put that toilet seat in.

01:46:15.880 I'm going to give you seven grand.

01:46:16.960 You give me half of it back.

01:46:18.120 That's how the fuck it works.

01:46:19.200 Now, the fire in the Bronx, right?

01:46:20.800 But, dude, what I'm saying is for the trillions of dollars that these motherfuckers pass on

01:46:24.380 bullshit, we could do both of these things.

01:46:27.620 We could increase the police salary so that we...

01:46:31.320 They're training the resources.

01:46:33.100 Higher quality career advancement.

01:46:34.520 Like, dude, when you and I were kids, bro...

01:46:35.780 Also, psychiatric evaluations.

01:46:38.200 100%, dude.

01:46:39.060 The psychiatric evaluation.

01:46:40.080 Yes, we've been...

01:46:41.200 We've been training the police.

01:46:42.780 No, no, no, no, no.

01:46:44.200 We've been training the police since Martin Luther King.

01:46:48.520 We've been retraining them.

01:46:50.400 Like, here's the thing.

01:46:51.640 With policing, right?

01:46:53.620 There are quotas, even though there's not supposed to be quotas, where they go and they

01:46:59.000 have to get a certain amount of arrests in New York City so they go to our communities

01:47:02.820 and they harass people, right?

01:47:05.080 And that's wrong.

01:47:05.700 I'm done with the policing.

01:47:07.180 I'm done with the police.

01:47:08.540 Let's just figure some new shit out, right?

01:47:11.280 Let's just figure some new shit out.

01:47:13.200 Listen, I can feel that way.

01:47:13.260 I can understand why you feel that way.

01:47:15.020 It's not a realistic solution.

01:47:16.420 Why not?

01:47:17.040 Because, dude, there are bad people.

01:47:19.580 There are bad people of every race.

01:47:20.140 But I just told you.

01:47:21.280 I just told you.

01:47:22.280 Let me say something.

01:47:22.660 We're going to have folks who ensure that they obey the law.

01:47:26.700 Just not policing as we know it.

01:47:28.440 Steph, hold on.

01:47:29.100 I think also, this is a very intrinsically important part of this problem, is that police

01:47:39.140 officers do not live in the communities they serve.

01:47:42.880 Yep.

01:47:43.260 And it used to be like that.

01:47:45.500 Yeah.

01:47:45.620 And the rules were changed.

01:47:48.940 And it's, I'll be real with you, like, yo, when I got in trouble, I knew the cop.

01:47:54.880 The cops, they would take me home.

01:47:56.600 They'd beat my ass and then take me home to my parents.

01:47:58.780 And then I'd get my ass kicked twice.

01:48:00.460 Well, they'd be like, yo, do you want to go?

01:48:01.780 He wants to take you home?

01:48:03.020 You're like, you know, because I set a car on fire.

01:48:05.660 Because I was, you know what I mean?

01:48:06.480 Like, because I was doing dumb shit.

01:48:08.260 You can eat a jazz beat by your parents.

01:48:10.580 I got my ass in here.

01:48:12.660 But like, this is the difference is that, yo, like, we're, like, law enforcement is not

01:48:20.400 allowed to serve the communities that they live in anymore.

01:48:23.040 They changed that, and it started in Boston because there are police officers who are

01:48:27.780 involved with crime families.

01:48:30.080 Organized crime.

01:48:30.520 And organized crime was getting over, like, they were buying off people to look the other

01:48:36.120 way so they could continue to do what they were doing.

01:48:38.040 But as a result, you have strange faces in other neighborhoods trying to enforce rules,

01:48:42.980 and that's creating more conflict.

01:48:44.420 You know what's really interesting about that is a lot of these people develop their opinions

01:48:49.780 by watching the news, right?

01:48:52.000 So you have this dude who's from upstate New York who views young black and brown kids

01:48:59.520 in the inner city as these violent animals.

01:49:01.780 So they come in.

01:49:03.140 Well, who the fuck said that?

01:49:04.240 Yeah, exactly.

01:49:05.060 Who said that?

01:49:05.500 Oh, Joe Biden, of course.

01:49:06.480 That's right.

01:49:06.900 Hillary, all of them.

01:49:07.720 Yeah.

01:49:08.200 Who else?

01:49:09.060 Yeah.

01:49:09.560 Super predators?

01:49:10.500 Yeah.

01:49:10.720 No, no.

01:49:11.540 These are facts, man.

01:49:13.920 And I just really, really need people to understand that you can be, because nobody's going to

01:49:24.880 go with me when I say abolish, right?

01:49:26.960 But you can be pro-police accountability and pro-police at the same time.

01:49:33.740 A lot of people don't get that.

01:49:35.380 Let me tell you my experience, bro.

01:49:35.760 A lot of people want to believe cops are always right.

01:49:38.440 They're not.

01:49:39.180 No, they're not.

01:49:39.720 Okay, look.

01:49:41.300 Even the cops say that they're not always right.

01:49:43.920 They're not.

01:49:44.620 They're not.

01:49:45.240 When was the last time you saw a cop protesting another cop for doing something bad?

01:49:49.200 Now, they'll walk off in protest of a mayor.

01:49:51.420 We saw a dude arrested, dude.

01:49:52.960 I'm on the spot.

01:49:53.820 Here in St. Louis, we had a stalking situation.

01:49:56.180 I mean, bro, I'll say this on the law enforcement thing, right?

01:50:00.060 Because I've experienced it, right?

01:50:01.360 I'm basically, hold on, dude.

01:50:02.520 I want to say what I was going to say.

01:50:04.060 Because this is a, this is a, this is a, I got to fucking say something here.

01:50:07.980 We're, I'm the biggest fucking donor to St. Louis's police fund.

01:50:12.320 The biggest one.

01:50:13.420 I have been for a long time.

01:50:14.840 All right.

01:50:15.860 Most of these dudes and most of these women are good people, just like you and I.

01:50:20.340 We're, if they were sitting in here, they'd be like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:50:24.020 But the problem is there's this culture in policing of don't fucking rat on each other.

01:50:29.320 Okay.

01:50:29.920 And so we have this fucking scenario where there's a certain percentage, which is small.

01:50:36.380 Of cops who abused their fucking authority and harassed the fuck out of people and do

01:50:41.880 shit the wrong way.

01:50:42.760 100%.

01:50:43.040 And the police, and I just want to say this because we have so many police listening to

01:50:47.180 this.

01:50:47.780 You guys who are police officers need to self-regulate and get those fucking guys out of the fucking

01:50:53.880 force.

01:50:54.400 100%.

01:50:54.740 Period.

01:50:55.400 That is the first step that needs to happen.

01:50:57.080 The second step that needs to happen is that we need to create, when you and I were young,

01:51:01.900 all of us guys were young, police was an admirable job.

01:51:05.480 People would say, I want to grow up and be a doctor.

01:51:09.540 I want to grow up and be a policeman.

01:51:11.700 I want to grow up and be a fireman.

01:51:13.020 We all said that shit when we were kids.

01:51:15.220 Nobody says that shit anymore because it's not a desirable job.

01:51:18.440 They're underpaid.

01:51:19.480 They're overworked.

01:51:20.600 They're highly stressed.

01:51:21.880 And bro, they're improperly trained.

01:51:23.940 So we need to quit spending money on fucking bullshit PCR factories in fucking Germany or

01:51:30.060 giving $300 million to motherfucking Afghanistan terrorists and start saying, no, we need to

01:51:35.460 create positions in our police department that are high quality so that like parents

01:51:40.300 of children will say, hey, you should grow up and be a policeman.

01:51:45.200 Right.

01:51:45.480 Right.

01:51:45.660 You can make $200,000, $300,000, $400,000 grand.

01:51:48.980 Right.

01:51:49.240 What if policing, bro?

01:51:50.880 It also lends itself to the idea that you talked about in the Hasidic Jewish community

01:51:54.820 that why could the African-American communities have their own law enforcement?

01:51:59.680 Well, there you go.

01:52:00.460 I'm not against that.

01:52:01.320 These are things that we teach.

01:52:02.760 These are things that we definitely teach now.

01:52:05.320 But you see what I'm saying, though, right?

01:52:06.200 Yeah, no, I'm with you.

01:52:07.140 I'm with you.

01:52:07.580 I'm not with you, with you.

01:52:09.200 But I get what you're saying, right?

01:52:10.960 Well, I'm just saying, I always operate from like if I was in charge, that's how the fuck I

01:52:15.240 would do it.

01:52:15.680 I would say, hey, we're cutting this bullshit.

01:52:17.660 We're doing this.

01:52:18.600 We're fixing this.

01:52:19.960 We're going to make this a high paid career.

01:52:21.340 We're going to make teachers make three times as much money, which will attract higher quality

01:52:25.580 people to do that job.

01:52:27.060 Dude, most teachers are teachers.

01:52:28.240 A lot of people.

01:52:29.580 Why are most teachers teachers?

01:52:31.300 Because they get three months off the motherfucking summer.

01:52:33.380 That's it.

01:52:33.660 The biggest drunk in party animals in college with me were teachers, right?

01:52:38.420 But on the police, like when I say policing is inherently racist, people be like,

01:52:42.560 Hulk, how could you say that?

01:52:43.520 Like, but Democrats and Republicans both agree that there was an era of mass incarceration.

01:52:49.780 Who was making those arrests?

01:52:51.940 Who was making those arrests?

01:52:54.320 Donald Trump even addressed it.

01:52:55.940 That's why I got so mad for fucking Joe, for all the black people voting for Joe Biden,

01:53:00.360 bro.

01:53:00.680 No.

01:53:01.380 I got so mad about that.

01:53:02.760 You have no idea.

01:53:04.320 You have no idea how angry that makes me, right?

01:53:06.880 But we have something in New York.

01:53:08.700 A lot of people only see the wild shit, right?

01:53:11.180 Well, that's all they want us to see.

01:53:12.920 We had, we endorse, we have a political caucus where we endorse folks, right?

01:53:17.800 We have five candidates who won their seats for city council, right?

01:53:22.160 They're introducing something called a thin blue line bill, right?

01:53:25.860 To shatter that blue wall of silence.

01:53:29.000 Like, that's something serious.

01:53:30.240 Now, if cops are covering for other cops, right?

01:53:33.500 They are compliant.

01:53:34.840 They are actually perpetuating this cycle of police brutality.

01:53:38.880 So they should go to jail, right?

01:53:40.580 Because if you think, like, I'm going to lose my liberty, I'm going to lose my freedom,

01:53:44.580 I'm going to lose my pension, you shouldn't, they're going to look at their partner like

01:53:48.620 they shouldn't have fucked that guy up.

01:53:49.560 Brother, I 100% agree with you.

01:53:51.140 That's it.

01:53:51.640 Look, dude, if we're all on the same shit and we come across some bullshit and one of

01:53:55.420 you guys does that shit, we all, the three of us got to be like, no, that's wrong.

01:53:58.940 Right.

01:53:59.620 But that's not there.

01:54:00.520 So this is why we don't trust them.

01:54:01.980 And people are like, why are you running around screaming, fuck the police?

01:54:05.640 Do you understand why that shit ain't me?

01:54:07.300 The reason the shit isn't taken seriously is because abolishing them completely creates

01:54:11.280 the wild, wild west and everybody fucking knows that.

01:54:13.500 But here's the thing.

01:54:14.500 Or even the stigma of that.

01:54:15.820 They won't even allow you the platform like you have right now.

01:54:18.260 Right now we're talking to 3 million people.

01:54:19.860 Yeah, but God bless each and every one of y'all.

01:54:22.720 Yeah, bro, but listen, they won't allow you to have the platform.

01:54:25.420 To fully explain yourself.

01:54:27.080 What they want to do is put you on TV saying, these are the police.

01:54:30.560 And then they cut you off.

01:54:31.760 That's it.

01:54:32.500 Okay.

01:54:32.920 That's it.

01:54:33.320 So I've never heard the social worker with a gun.

01:54:37.200 I've never heard that one time.

01:54:38.700 And listen, but to that point, though, to the same point, though, what I will say is

01:54:42.480 that we also we have to give credit where it's due.

01:54:45.060 You agree with me on that?

01:54:45.920 Right.

01:54:46.420 There has been major strides in law enforcement, such as things like CIT.

01:54:51.040 Are you familiar with that?

01:54:52.420 It's critical incidents training.

01:54:53.720 So it's a certification.

01:54:54.720 It's an 80-hour certification course in most places, I believe, plus or minus a couple

01:54:59.860 of hours, that specifically train officers on how to deal with OBS cases or people who

01:55:07.680 are having a mental crisis, right?

01:55:10.560 It's crisis intervention training.

01:55:12.700 And so that is a huge stride that is all over the country.

01:55:16.740 And so there are things.

01:55:18.120 The funny thing is, though, what's that sound like to you?

01:55:20.940 Sounds like social workers.

01:55:21.860 That's right.

01:55:22.240 We're all saying the same shit.

01:55:24.820 But you're talking about 80 hours versus a whole degree.

01:55:28.540 For sure.

01:55:28.760 For sure.

01:55:29.020 You know what I mean?

01:55:29.860 Like, yeah.

01:55:30.300 All my point is, though, is we have to give credit where it's due.

01:55:32.980 And so what I'm saying is that you want law enforcement to be better and to move to this

01:55:37.000 next level.

01:55:37.580 You can't get that by attacking them and saying that they're ain't shit.

01:55:40.260 And they're all like, fuck you.

01:55:40.980 I could attack politicians.

01:55:43.320 100%.

01:55:43.720 I could attack teachers.

01:55:44.980 I could attack a plumber if he fucks up my house.

01:55:47.480 Or are they a bumper broke?

01:55:48.760 But they're the same people that they-

01:55:49.880 No, that's not what he's saying.

01:55:51.180 That's not what he's saying.

01:55:52.320 What he's saying-

01:55:52.940 Listen.

01:55:53.680 What he's saying is to get buy-in from everybody, which we need, right?

01:55:58.180 We need a fucking movement for this.

01:56:00.120 Right.

01:56:00.460 To get buy-in from everybody.

01:56:02.000 We can't be talking crazy shit like, hey, remove the police because that's all motherfuckers

01:56:05.840 hear.

01:56:06.220 But they're idiots.

01:56:07.720 Okay.

01:56:08.040 I agree with you.

01:56:09.200 That's all it is.

01:56:10.600 It is so much information out there.

01:56:12.940 But you have to, like, I think to also, to not acknowledge that the mass collective

01:56:21.140 psychology is not acute.

01:56:25.660 It's not.

01:56:27.020 So choosing-

01:56:28.300 The data is important.

01:56:29.560 And this is the thing, like, right now, I'm coming from a place where I don't want to

01:56:34.720 contribute to the divisiveness anymore.

01:56:37.020 Right?

01:56:37.420 I fell into that.

01:56:38.940 Yeah.

01:56:39.220 I put my flag in the ground.

01:56:40.860 I said my thing.

01:56:41.620 I stand by my principles.

01:56:42.840 I said who I am and what I believe.

01:56:44.460 However, my bullishness and brashness about it turned people away from being able to hear

01:56:52.240 the truth that I was saying.

01:56:53.340 Same issue Candace has.

01:56:55.080 Same issue all of us have.

01:56:56.200 And so basically, the consequence of confidence is sometimes we isolate ourselves from the

01:57:05.380 people that need to hear what we're saying the most.

01:57:07.940 100%.

01:57:08.320 And so what I believe is the most important thing is that there's a unification so that

01:57:16.420 the problems are changed so that we move on to the next thing.

01:57:20.980 Yeah.

01:57:21.100 And it can't happen overnight.

01:57:22.580 It's going to take time.

01:57:24.100 It's going to take a lot of time.

01:57:25.580 I just like, bro, I'm going to keep it a buck with you.

01:57:33.860 I'm going to keep it a buck with you.

01:57:35.380 Everybody's talking about unification.

01:57:39.300 Tired.

01:57:40.600 I'm tired.

01:57:42.080 It was an attempt on my life last week.

01:57:44.400 Like, well, people were trying to kill me.

01:57:46.700 A psycho killer had my name in a manifesto.

01:57:49.600 I can't waste time.

01:57:51.500 I can't waste time with niceties.

01:57:54.080 I can.

01:57:55.100 I believe in unity, but I believe we have to fix the black community first.

01:58:01.060 Right.

01:58:01.280 So what people can do on the other side is, right?

01:58:06.300 Like what you're doing here is you're like.

01:58:08.420 But I ain't on the other side.

01:58:09.400 Yeah.

01:58:09.740 Okay.

01:58:10.400 Right.

01:58:10.780 But folks who might not listen to me, but will listen to you.

01:58:15.080 Right.

01:58:16.060 You can go back and tell them, you know, here's what he means when he says to defund the police.

01:58:21.120 But I'm going to give you something else.

01:58:23.460 Whether I called it reallocating funds from the police or reality, no matter what we said,

01:58:29.840 no matter what we said.

01:58:31.000 Hawk loves the police.

01:58:31.540 They would have vilified it.

01:58:33.680 I know, bro.

01:58:34.220 They would have vilified it.

01:58:35.220 I know.

01:58:35.680 Because this is what they do.

01:58:37.020 Like a lot of like we're here in this MLK day.

01:58:40.140 Right.

01:58:41.260 But MLK was a communist terrorist when he was alive.

01:58:45.420 They only amplified him in death posthumously.

01:58:49.660 Right.

01:58:50.000 That's when everybody.

01:58:50.940 Oh, we loved MLK.

01:58:52.240 Like we just have to be cognizant of the tricks that are being played on us and the way that

01:58:59.560 they're manipulating us.

01:59:01.160 And when you have truth tellers, people are going to keep you away from them.

01:59:06.160 Hey, bro.

01:59:06.580 Right.

01:59:06.860 Yeah.

01:59:07.240 Yeah.

01:59:07.940 Not all white people are bad, bro.

01:59:09.940 Why do you keep saying that?

01:59:10.960 Because, man.

01:59:11.880 It's like the language that fucking.

01:59:13.640 Because you keep saying.

01:59:14.720 You keep looking at me and you saying on the other side.

01:59:18.700 I'm not on the other side.

01:59:20.120 No.

01:59:20.460 Because.

01:59:20.980 And there's a.

01:59:21.620 There's a.

01:59:22.160 Dude, most of these people that they tell you are white supremacist racist fucks.

01:59:27.340 They think like I think.

01:59:28.580 Most of them.

01:59:29.640 There's always going to be outliers, bro.

01:59:31.440 There's always going to be shit bag white people and shit bag black people.

01:59:34.840 Yeah.

01:59:35.180 And that's reality.

01:59:36.180 Yeah.

01:59:36.620 OK.

01:59:37.300 The what the people who aren't shit bags do.

01:59:39.880 We got to do what we're doing right now.

01:59:41.340 No.

01:59:41.660 And it's good.

01:59:43.140 But, you know, you got.

01:59:44.560 You got to understand.

01:59:45.640 Right.

01:59:47.020 Like if a black person doesn't like white people, he can't deny you a loan from a bank.

01:59:52.620 He can't stop you from moving into a neighborhood.

01:59:55.340 He can't deny you a college education.

01:59:58.120 It's so much more insidious.

02:00:00.680 But they can.

02:00:01.100 When it comes to black folk, man, they didn't.

02:00:04.100 They couldn't cancel Dave Chappelle.

02:00:06.060 Like, I think they.

02:00:06.900 He didn't allow them to.

02:00:07.880 You know what I mean?

02:00:08.380 Who the fuck is causing all the problems?

02:00:09.960 Let's be real, dude.

02:00:10.640 The people that are causing all the fucking problems are literally fucking college.

02:00:14.600 They're very small group of people causing all the fucking problems.

02:00:17.340 And they do happen to be white.

02:00:18.600 It's liberal white college kids.

02:00:21.220 That's it.

02:00:21.540 Coming out of jobs.

02:00:22.160 Getting jobs.

02:00:23.420 That's it.

02:00:24.020 But that does not mean.

02:00:25.080 The wealthy.

02:00:25.400 Just like I said.

02:00:26.160 Corporate people.

02:00:27.020 That does not mean all white people are fucking bad.

02:00:28.960 And I see this shit a lot.

02:00:29.920 And it does piss me the fuck off.

02:00:31.880 Because I actually do believe that we need to fix the motherfucking black communities.

02:00:36.940 It's an ideological thing.

02:00:38.840 Bro, I get pissed off when I see people calling me fucking all these shit.

02:00:43.920 And I'm over here trying to fucking do something right.

02:00:46.180 Right.

02:00:46.400 Like, dude, if we keep calling everybody, each other, all these names and shit, we ain't

02:00:49.800 never going to get anywhere.

02:00:50.860 That's all I'm saying.

02:00:51.580 Listen, at this point, we have to resolve that people who want to get things done are

02:00:57.660 going to get things done.

02:00:59.380 Like I last year.

02:01:00.880 Right.

02:01:01.860 When COVID happened, we raised about fifty six thousand dollars and we delivered food

02:01:07.600 to two hundred people, different households every day.

02:01:11.760 Right.

02:01:12.280 We did this when everybody was hiding in quarantine and I saw the police using social distancing

02:01:19.260 as an excuse to break up a gathering of a vigil.

02:01:23.240 People were lighting candles because somebody died.

02:01:25.160 Right.

02:01:25.380 And cops kicked a lot of behind that week prior under the guise of social distancing.

02:01:31.080 And I stood up and I was like, these are communities.

02:01:34.600 You can't have outsiders coming into our communities telling us what to do.

02:01:40.900 You know how many times I've experienced and I've heard, I've witnessed police talking to

02:01:47.260 people with absolutely zero, zero respect.

02:01:50.500 Like you said.

02:01:51.340 Me too.

02:01:51.880 I'm three thirty.

02:01:52.920 Right.

02:01:53.380 I'm six five.

02:01:54.260 I'm a fucking monster.

02:01:55.660 Yeah.

02:01:56.200 And if you didn't have that badge, you wouldn't be talking to me like this.

02:02:00.360 And if you didn't have that badge or that gun, you wouldn't be talking to people in this

02:02:03.340 neighborhood like this.

02:02:04.580 So let's draw a line in the sand.

02:02:06.160 That's the culture problem.

02:02:07.320 That's everywhere with power.

02:02:08.120 You're not going to do that.

02:02:09.220 Yeah.

02:02:09.660 It's the internet.

02:02:10.260 The internet is a perfect example.

02:02:11.540 That's the motherfucking mask people.

02:02:12.960 That's the vaccine people.

02:02:14.240 So the thing is, these cops have guns that can kill you.

02:02:16.780 I understand.

02:02:17.280 Get away with it.

02:02:18.180 Listen, I get it.

02:02:19.020 So do I.

02:02:19.680 So.

02:02:20.260 Yeah.

02:02:20.780 But dude, here's the thing.

02:02:21.940 I don't know if you're going to get away with it, tattoo boy.

02:02:23.840 Yeah.

02:02:24.180 I don't know if you're going to get away with it.

02:02:26.960 Shit, man.

02:02:27.340 You got too much melanin.

02:02:29.000 Well, then again, you got resources.

02:02:30.220 I know some people.

02:02:30.980 You got resources.

02:02:31.640 Well, dude, look, dude.

02:02:32.660 Here's the thing, though.

02:02:33.480 With that, what we're talking about.

02:02:35.580 No, no disrespect.

02:02:36.680 No, no, no.

02:02:37.540 No, no, no.

02:02:38.160 Bro, listen.

02:02:39.200 Back it up.

02:02:39.640 Back it up.

02:02:40.920 You ain't that big, bro.

02:02:42.460 I crack a joke.

02:02:42.840 If I crack a joke on you, that means there's a part of me to like you.

02:02:47.500 No, I get it, bro.

02:02:48.260 Well, half this show is bullshit anyway, so let's be real.

02:02:51.380 This episode is going to be called the dead ass episode.

02:02:54.040 Yeah.

02:02:54.960 Dead ass as fuck.

02:02:56.340 Look, man.

02:02:58.260 Listen, I agree with all of that.

02:03:00.500 The culture in a police community as a whole is fucked up.

02:03:04.300 I don't disagree at all.

02:03:05.820 I believe that most individual police officers are doing a job that is noble.

02:03:10.980 They are doing a very difficult job, and they are undervalued and underpaid for what

02:03:14.900 they do.

02:03:15.360 But now, with that being said, until they fucking handle their own people and stop this

02:03:21.240 fucking bullshit, okay, that shit, like police are like, why does everybody hate us?

02:03:26.200 Because I talk to them, right?

02:03:27.220 Yeah.

02:03:27.560 Well, the reason everybody says they fucking hate you guys and the reason nobody's coming

02:03:30.920 to stay with you guys and stand with you guys is because you got those fucking, out

02:03:34.880 of a hundred, you got those three to do that shit.

02:03:37.400 Those three got to go.

02:03:38.680 Yeah, they got to correct that.

02:03:39.920 And as long as you're protecting them, you're just as bad as that.

02:03:42.880 I agree.

02:03:43.600 Yeah.

02:03:44.040 I agree.

02:03:44.480 Oh, shit.

02:03:45.040 Yeah.

02:03:45.680 And that's why I say there's no such thing as a good cop.

02:03:48.300 Well.

02:03:48.880 And you just agree.

02:03:49.880 No, no, no.

02:03:50.440 You can't back that up, baby.

02:03:51.100 No, I don't.

02:03:51.340 You can't back that up.

02:03:52.920 No, no, no, bro.

02:03:53.600 I don't agree with that.

02:03:55.120 Nah.

02:03:55.500 Listen to what you just said, right?

02:03:57.360 You said you got those three.

02:03:59.140 Yeah.

02:03:59.420 And you're not isolating them.

02:04:00.980 You're not kicking them out.

02:04:02.100 So that makes you just as bad as them.

02:04:04.200 Yeah, but dude, it's a systemic problem.

02:04:05.660 Just like you talk about systemic fucking all this other shit.

02:04:08.040 Yeah.

02:04:08.460 Okay?

02:04:08.800 You have the leadership who won't take this complaint seriously.

02:04:11.560 It's not the, bro.

02:04:12.160 I talk to a lot of these cops.

02:04:13.540 I'm with you.

02:04:15.040 Like, dude, bro, I have fucking friends who are great.

02:04:18.520 Look, dude, one of my best friends is a New York City Police Department guy.

02:04:22.260 He's a fucking, one of the best, Mike Coonahan, one of the best fucking men, one of the best

02:04:28.180 men I know, period.

02:04:29.540 He is a fucking morally straight good man.

02:04:33.060 Bro, if he goes and he says, hey, these dudes are doing this shit, they fucking fire

02:04:37.860 him.

02:04:38.600 Come on.

02:04:39.360 You see what I'm saying?

02:04:40.220 So that's it.

02:04:41.300 Yeah.

02:04:41.840 So like, dude, the system is okay.

02:04:43.720 Hey, but that doesn't mean we fucking wipe it clean and let the wild, wild west happen.

02:04:48.600 No, that means we create a different structure.

02:04:51.700 Okay.

02:04:52.220 A different operating system.

02:04:54.140 This is a business podcast, right?

02:04:55.780 Yeah, yeah.

02:04:56.180 We create a different business structure.

02:04:58.560 Yeah, you're talking about the fucking master of systems right here.

02:05:00.680 Come on.

02:05:01.280 All right.

02:05:01.400 We create a new system.

02:05:03.400 I can do this shit.

02:05:03.780 Yeah.

02:05:04.360 Exactly.

02:05:05.280 And do away with the old.

02:05:06.680 Listen, man.

02:05:07.120 And replace the old system.

02:05:08.260 Just vote me in.

02:05:09.020 I will crack the hammer on these motherfuckers.

02:05:11.960 Well, one thing I will say, though, when it comes to law enforcement, and I told you

02:05:14.600 this earlier, too, a lot of people don't understand.

02:05:17.080 Everybody wants to eat bacon, but nobody wants to see how it's made.

02:05:20.160 And at the end of the day.

02:05:21.340 You deal with a lot of fucked up shit.

02:05:23.260 The worst.

02:05:24.740 The worst.

02:05:25.700 Right?

02:05:25.960 And so my only point is, is that at the end of the day, whenever there's good, there's

02:05:30.300 going to be evil.

02:05:31.320 Evil exists.

02:05:32.900 There are people, Hawk, white, black, yellow, whatever, that will just want to hurt you

02:05:38.160 just because.

02:05:38.460 Stop Asian hate.

02:05:39.540 They're not yellow.

02:05:40.520 They're Asian people.

02:05:42.380 But evil exists, man.

02:05:45.380 And to think.

02:05:46.640 That one didn't take off.

02:05:48.280 They tried to push that one.

02:05:50.060 Hey, bro, I thought it was funny.

02:05:51.200 People are like, people hate us?

02:05:53.680 Like, what?

02:05:54.060 No, no, no, bro.

02:05:54.820 Like, what do you mean?

02:05:55.920 Holy shit.

02:05:56.760 Let me tell you, my thing with Asian hate, they, I still get trolled by them, right?

02:06:02.280 Because they were like, stop Asian hate.

02:06:04.240 I was like, okay, if you want to talk about Asian hate, right?

02:06:08.860 Then you got to talk about Asian roles in the black community.

02:06:11.560 Wait, do people really hate the Asians?

02:06:12.880 Because I don't see that shit.

02:06:14.320 Listen, listen.

02:06:14.620 I fucking love Chinese.

02:06:16.460 No, so you sound like a fucking racist.

02:06:18.880 No, no, no.

02:06:21.160 But real shit, right?

02:06:22.360 The Wu-Tang Clan's entire whole thing was bad.

02:06:24.520 Bro, you haven't had an Asian culture.

02:06:25.740 You haven't had a crab ragoon, bro.

02:06:27.220 You're insane on here.

02:06:28.920 But no, no, no.

02:06:29.760 Let's talk about this, right?

02:06:31.660 Like, Asian people come into black communities, right?

02:06:35.060 And they make tons of money, right?

02:06:38.060 And don't give anything back.

02:06:40.120 And on top of that, you always see these videos where they're disrespecting black customers,

02:06:45.680 where they're putting their hands on black women.

02:06:47.900 And so when everybody was like, Hawk, stand up and say, stop Asian hate, I said, well,

02:06:53.680 are we going to talk about these other things in that conversation?

02:06:57.800 And all of a sudden, I was this bad person.

02:06:59.880 Well, come on, bro.

02:07:00.540 That's me with black people.

02:07:02.700 Come on, dude.

02:07:03.780 But see, here's the thing.

02:07:04.460 No, no, no.

02:07:05.260 You're talking about gotcha.

02:07:07.220 I just got you.

02:07:07.800 Not one time did you say, oh, black on black crime is a problem.

02:07:12.220 No, what you said was there are circumstances.

02:07:14.700 I've been very vocal about that.

02:07:15.920 What you said here, right, was let's talk about these issues, why people are killing

02:07:21.480 each other.

02:07:21.840 Okay.

02:07:22.360 You know what I'm saying?

02:07:22.740 Now, black on black crime is a fucking huge problem, right?

02:07:25.700 But the reason it's a problem is what you're talking about.

02:07:28.160 Yeah.

02:07:28.700 We're saying the same shit.

02:07:30.160 But white on white crime is a thing, too.

02:07:32.020 Crimes are about proximity.

02:07:33.880 You harm people who you live among.

02:07:35.460 So if it's black on black crime, there's white on white crime, it's Asian on Asian crime.

02:07:41.520 You know what I'm saying?

02:07:42.180 It's all about proximity.

02:07:43.020 No, I got him back.

02:07:43.840 He don't even know what I got him.

02:07:44.920 It's all about proximity.

02:07:47.480 Look, there's bad white people, bad black people, bad Asian people.

02:07:50.540 You just made...

02:07:51.100 All right, I got you now.

02:07:52.400 Oh.

02:07:52.660 The one thing, Hawk, that I would say, so I want to know what your take is, because

02:07:59.980 in my personal opinion, right, we can do all of this, right, or you can give all the reparations,

02:08:04.620 but at the end of the day, there is still...

02:08:06.940 Hold on, you got stats over it.

02:08:08.120 He's setting me up.

02:08:09.180 He's leading me.

02:08:10.100 He's leading me.

02:08:11.040 I want to know how much reparations, because do I get half of reparations?

02:08:16.680 Because I'm not full.

02:08:18.180 Well, what do I get?

02:08:19.360 I'm fucking Sicilian, bro.

02:08:21.100 Bro.

02:08:21.520 I'm black on the inside.

02:08:23.500 What the fuck do I get?

02:08:24.260 You get a bowl of pasta.

02:08:25.380 You got that dick, motherfucker.

02:08:27.600 Oh, God.

02:08:28.360 No, no.

02:08:28.740 I got to get out of this room, bro.

02:08:30.220 I got to get out of this room, bro.

02:08:31.760 What'd you guys say?

02:08:33.220 You get a bowl of pasta.

02:08:35.460 Oh, my God.

02:08:36.280 I got to get out of this room.

02:08:37.520 No, no.

02:08:38.200 I'm serious, though.

02:08:39.100 But, like, when you start talking about reparations...

02:08:41.540 But how...

02:08:42.020 What is it?

02:08:43.200 Let's...

02:08:43.840 What's that look like, for real?

02:08:45.000 Because we hear these...

02:08:45.780 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:08:45.900 I want to give you the platform to say that, because we hear that shit, and it sounds crazy as fuck,

02:08:51.200 and the media makes it sound crazy as fuck, so there's more division.

02:08:54.240 Let me hear what Hawking Newsome thinks about reparations.

02:08:56.240 Okay.

02:08:59.040 Black people saved this country's economy, right?

02:09:02.380 They were the ones who picked the cotton that brought us to the head of industry, right?

02:09:06.880 There are businesses.

02:09:10.180 The one that pops in mind immediately is Brown...

02:09:12.920 Well, I think you already made an argument for reparations.

02:09:14.920 Brown Brothers and Harriman, right?

02:09:17.720 Brown Brothers and Harriman, insurance company, started out selling life insurance policies on slaves.

02:09:22.860 There are a lot of people who made money back then that are still making money today that owe us.

02:09:29.560 America owes us, right?

02:09:32.860 When they ended slavery, they gave reparations to slave masters, right?

02:09:39.220 So I'm going to sit here in full confidence and say there are people far more qualified than me

02:09:46.420 that have put a lot of time and effort into detailing how reparations should be laid out.

02:09:53.240 It's descendancy.

02:09:54.900 It's who you are.

02:09:56.220 There's people out here who spent their life...

02:09:59.420 So basically, it's an individual thing, like whatever family are descended from wherever.

02:10:08.000 So basically, it's not like a black government could just be like, everyone's getting a million dollars.

02:10:13.380 No, I don't think everybody's equal in our struggle.

02:10:16.740 You know what I mean?

02:10:17.340 A lot of times...

02:10:18.060 See, I've never even heard that argument.

02:10:19.700 I say I'm a foundational black American, right?

02:10:22.980 Like my parents were my ancestors.

02:10:26.660 It's common sense, really.

02:10:28.640 My father's from North Florida.

02:10:30.900 My mother's from South Carolina.

02:10:32.120 It's safe to say our family came in through the port of Charleston, right?

02:10:35.780 And we've been here for quite some time.

02:10:38.720 So we helped build this country for free, right?

02:10:42.080 So I say that black descendants, people who are descendants of slavery should get a check.

02:10:50.660 Do I think that every black person who's on American soil should get that check?

02:10:55.460 No.

02:10:56.560 So because it's...

02:10:58.560 Because they weren't injured.

02:10:59.540 Suffering the same.

02:11:00.180 Yeah.

02:11:00.460 They weren't injured in that particular instance.

02:11:03.380 Like they weren't injured.

02:11:04.860 It's...

02:11:05.360 When I say I'm a...

02:11:06.140 Who is determined in that?

02:11:07.040 When I say I'm a FBA, when I say I'm a foundational black American, people call me divisive, right?

02:11:16.220 You want to talk about me as an American, right?

02:11:19.440 Well, let me tell you why.

02:11:20.620 Why?

02:11:20.920 You know why they do that?

02:11:22.360 Because people like me who didn't come here until after 1900, who most of the world sees

02:11:27.400 as a white dude...

02:11:28.400 Yeah.

02:11:28.820 ...are told...

02:11:29.720 Literally, I'm told fucking thousands of times in the last two years about reparations.

02:11:35.180 And then I, personally, should be writing fucking checks for reparations.

02:11:40.180 And I'm like, bro, I didn't get here until after all that shit was done.

02:11:44.020 First of all, I'm Irish, highly fucking persecuted.

02:11:47.160 I'm Sicilian, highly persecuted.

02:11:49.680 And I'm American Indian, highly persecuted.

02:11:52.260 So what the fuck do I get?

02:11:53.360 And I got to pay?

02:11:54.480 So you see what I'm saying?

02:11:55.220 Here's the thing.

02:11:55.840 Like...

02:11:56.120 So my point is...

02:11:57.100 The money should be paid out of taxes.

02:11:59.340 Because if you're reaping the benefits of this country, meaning that you are benefiting

02:12:04.380 from this economy, from this society...

02:12:06.360 But isn't everybody...

02:12:07.180 This society was built on our backs.

02:12:11.160 So if we're dipping into that tax money...

02:12:13.700 I think it's built on a lot of people's backs.

02:12:15.620 But I'd say...

02:12:17.120 I would say that your argument is valid up until the point you say that you guys are

02:12:22.580 the only people that built...

02:12:23.600 No, but a lot of people had...

02:12:25.240 What about the descendants?

02:12:26.020 A lot of people had...

02:12:27.540 A lot of people, like the indigenous people, right?

02:12:31.360 They got something.

02:12:33.540 Give me my land and tell me to get the fuck out of your face.

02:12:35.580 Have you seen what they got?

02:12:37.200 Right?

02:12:37.560 But here's the thing.

02:12:38.740 Like, when...

02:12:39.440 During the Holocaust, that money can never make up for the pain that Jewish people suffered.

02:12:45.220 But it was something.

02:12:46.640 They didn't give us anything.

02:12:48.500 It's a smack in the face, bro.

02:12:50.480 Like, it's really a smack in the face.

02:12:52.360 Like, we built the fucking White House, right?

02:12:55.060 Like, we built this country.

02:12:57.720 Like, the economy was built on our backs.

02:13:00.400 And now, the country is where it is.

02:13:03.440 The greatest...

02:13:04.480 Man.

02:13:05.000 So what's that worth, though, bro?

02:13:06.740 So, like, okay...

02:13:07.580 This is what we do.

02:13:08.820 We have to put a bunch of smart people in the room and figure out what that number is.

02:13:14.460 Okay, and let's...

02:13:15.420 And figure out a formula.

02:13:16.580 Figure out what that number is.

02:13:17.540 Listen, bro.

02:13:17.900 I don't even...

02:13:18.300 I am anti-reparations.

02:13:19.700 That's my...

02:13:20.460 That's always been my philosophy.

02:13:21.920 Okay?

02:13:22.060 My philosophy is, hey, fucking...

02:13:24.320 We've all...

02:13:24.740 All of people have suffered at some point, and we need to move the fuck on and work together.

02:13:28.360 Okay?

02:13:28.540 That's my philosophy.

02:13:29.440 But you think it's fair that...

02:13:30.460 I'm hearing you out.

02:13:30.960 Other people...

02:13:31.480 Oh, go ahead.

02:13:31.760 Okay, I'm hearing you out.

02:13:32.340 Yeah.

02:13:32.880 All right?

02:13:33.280 And I'm talking hypotheticals.

02:13:35.480 Now, let's just say...

02:13:37.220 I say, hey, Hawk, you know what?

02:13:38.260 You're right, bro.

02:13:39.060 Let's track this down.

02:13:40.500 Here's a problem I see with that.

02:13:42.080 Okay?

02:13:43.660 If we...

02:13:44.460 Because I...

02:13:45.180 The founder of BT was like, everybody should get...

02:13:48.520 What do you say?

02:13:49.140 250 grand or some shit?

02:13:50.320 Something like that, yeah.

02:13:50.700 Okay, first of all, 250 grand ain't that much money for a fucking family.

02:13:55.500 It just isn't.

02:13:56.280 All right?

02:13:56.660 And it can change your life.

02:13:57.740 You think it will.

02:13:58.780 But here's the problem, dude.

02:14:00.280 If we hand 250 grand to a bunch of people that have never handled that kind of money for,

02:14:04.460 what are they going to do with it?

02:14:05.140 Let's do our financial...

02:14:05.960 So we got to come up with a secure way to fucking ensure the financial stability of those people.

02:14:12.120 If we were to do that.

02:14:13.480 Listen.

02:14:13.940 Listen.

02:14:14.720 You're wrong with something.

02:14:15.880 Right?

02:14:17.060 Like an annuity or something that lasts for trust funds.

02:14:19.520 When you look at how money exchanges hands, right?

02:14:24.240 Jewish people are recycles, I don't know, 20, 30 times.

02:14:27.400 Asians is like 14, 60 times.

02:14:29.740 Before it leaves their community, black people is like once.

02:14:33.340 Right.

02:14:33.580 Right?

02:14:33.780 We have a trillion dollar spending power.

02:14:38.860 Okay?

02:14:39.340 Like we have enough to build something.

02:14:42.460 Right?

02:14:43.040 But nobody is doing that.

02:14:45.480 We'd rather run around and march and fight this and fight that instead of building real infrastructures in our community.

02:14:54.220 This is why it benefits everybody.

02:14:57.780 The money is like water in our hands because it's going to everybody else.

02:15:01.600 Right?

02:15:01.780 Like everybody owns businesses.

02:15:04.240 You're from Brooklyn.

02:15:05.660 Everybody owns businesses in our communities except for us.

02:15:09.340 You know what I mean?

02:15:10.420 Like you look at the restaurants.

02:15:12.220 You look at the banks.

02:15:13.080 Like you do not.

02:15:15.520 The property.

02:15:18.060 We don't own the property we live in.

02:15:20.720 Why is that?

02:15:21.680 Why is that the case?

02:15:23.240 Like when we talk about, like when we compare the African American community to immigrants, why is it that certain immigrants can come to this country with nothing and then get into, you know, open a store or do this or do that?

02:15:44.240 Is it, does it go again?

02:15:45.620 Is it back to bank loans?

02:15:47.100 I think it's bank loans.

02:15:48.520 I also think it's a psychology.

02:15:50.820 I think that, I think that we are just in this place.

02:15:56.260 And by God.

02:15:57.800 That's what we talked about.

02:15:58.380 That's what we talked about twice already.

02:15:59.600 You want to breathe.

02:16:00.200 Like it's psychological.

02:16:01.540 It's hope.

02:16:02.180 Psychological.

02:16:02.780 It's hope.

02:16:03.560 Absolutely.

02:16:04.100 It's hope.

02:16:04.920 And a lot of people don't want to hear it.

02:16:05.800 There's an apathetic nature.

02:16:07.040 Look, dude.

02:16:07.420 There's this PTSD with being black.

02:16:09.160 I'll say it, bro.

02:16:09.940 There's an apathetic nature in the black communities that is caused by a lack of hope.

02:16:13.280 They don't see a path.

02:16:14.440 The path for them is entertainment, rap, or fucking sports.

02:16:18.480 Okay?

02:16:18.820 So there's no hope.

02:16:20.060 Why don't they see hope?

02:16:21.540 What's they dominating both?

02:16:23.740 Look, you're not going to trick me again.

02:16:24.860 No, no, no.

02:16:26.980 Look, bro.

02:16:27.520 I'm agreeing with you on this.

02:16:28.960 Yeah.

02:16:29.160 All right?

02:16:29.900 Like I'm-

02:16:30.240 Well, I see how he works now.

02:16:33.340 All right?

02:16:34.080 So that's that JD.

02:16:36.560 There it is.

02:16:37.220 I'll lead you.

02:16:38.380 I'll lead you.

02:16:38.560 Not very many people can do that to me.

02:16:40.140 So kudos to you.

02:16:41.020 Appreciate that.

02:16:42.000 But dude, but you're still wrong.

02:16:46.160 Not at all.

02:16:46.980 Not at all.

02:16:47.520 But no, what you said is right.

02:16:49.960 Like, man, me and my dad, God bless his soul, we started this organization called the

02:16:54.580 Bronx Sharks.

02:16:55.220 We helped, like, only, like, 100 kids get scholarships to-

02:17:00.140 And these kids weren't LeBron Jameses.

02:17:02.460 These were kids who had a little bit of skill, and we had sent them to, like, Western Arkansas

02:17:06.380 Swamp State.

02:17:07.700 We'll just find somewhere to send them.

02:17:12.300 Jesus Christ.

02:17:13.060 I lost my train of thought.

02:17:13.940 I was thinking about my dad.

02:17:16.340 Shit.

02:17:16.940 Where were we?

02:17:17.660 Sorry.

02:17:18.460 About building hope.

02:17:19.860 Yeah, yeah.

02:17:20.140 Hope.

02:17:20.660 Hope.

02:17:20.880 Hope, right?

02:17:21.720 Like, we got to breathe life into the people.

02:17:25.360 But it's got to be real, dude.

02:17:26.720 It cannot be this fucking Democrat bullshit where they go down there, they hold a fucking

02:17:32.160 rally, and because they're Democrat, the black community cheers for them.

02:17:36.380 That shit up.

02:17:36.860 And they don't do shit.

02:17:38.020 I mean, that's the question.

02:17:39.500 Like, how do you, what, what, how do you get who is going to be the person to stand up

02:17:46.740 and represent these people and, and make them believe that they can do anything?

02:17:50.560 I can't.

02:17:51.120 I can't.

02:17:51.940 Like, me, it's too easy to shoot holes at me, right?

02:17:55.740 So if, if, if, if I was like this-

02:17:57.080 Oh, it's got to be all of us.

02:17:58.140 Yeah.

02:17:59.060 But it has to be-

02:18:00.140 The days of fucking MLK rising up, bro.

02:18:02.800 Yeah.

02:18:02.980 I've been waiting for two years for a fucking leader to stand up.

02:18:05.900 Yeah.

02:18:06.240 And say, this is what the fuck this is about.

02:18:07.960 This is what we got to do.

02:18:09.220 It's not happening.

02:18:10.200 So the alternative is, it's got to be all of us taking interest in that.

02:18:14.860 See, the way I look at it, bro, is we're all a big, huge family here in America.

02:18:18.500 Okay?

02:18:18.860 Yeah.

02:18:19.080 And if we look at it that way, and you got, let's say, you're in a family, okay?

02:18:23.500 And you got three brothers, and you got one brother over here who's making great money.

02:18:28.000 He's good.

02:18:28.540 Yeah.

02:18:28.900 You're the second guy.

02:18:30.000 All right?

02:18:30.280 You're not making as much, but you're good.

02:18:31.880 Then you got the third guy.

02:18:33.520 He's a little bit behind.

02:18:34.560 And then you got the fourth guy who's a total wreck.

02:18:37.260 All right?

02:18:37.500 The three dudes are going to look at the fourth guy, and they're going to say, hey, we got

02:18:40.760 to fix that shit.

02:18:41.860 Yeah.

02:18:42.000 That's what a family does.

02:18:43.480 But bro, that's what this country's got to do.

02:18:45.840 We got to do it.

02:18:46.740 Actually, I don't think they have to do it.

02:18:49.080 I think black people can do it on their own.

02:18:51.200 I think that we have the talent.

02:18:53.980 We have the intellect.

02:18:56.140 Don't you want, don't you want, don't you want, don't you want our, do you not want me

02:19:00.140 to buy from your business?

02:19:01.160 Listen, yes.

02:19:02.320 Okay.

02:19:02.640 Well, then it takes all of us.

02:19:03.840 Yes.

02:19:04.320 Yes, I do.

02:19:05.280 But the Jewish company does a great job at insulating themselves and doing business with

02:19:09.060 everybody else.

02:19:09.680 But I think it has to be members of the black community who are going in block by block and

02:19:15.660 giving our people the skills.

02:19:16.860 This is why I stress empowerment.

02:19:18.540 Well, I already told you.

02:19:19.280 I'll come help teach.

02:19:20.660 Like, like, this is, like, like, this is, this is really it.

02:19:25.020 Like the time of us waiting for other people to come in and help is over.

02:19:30.620 The time of us relying on politicians to help us overcome is over.

02:19:35.560 It has to be people in the community or people who have successful and made it out of the

02:19:41.460 community going in and saying, okay, we're going to teach the least of us.

02:19:45.800 Okay.

02:19:46.080 But here, here, here's an idea I want to put in your head.

02:19:48.460 Like, what if we did that for everybody, like legitimately for everybody here?

02:19:53.560 Well, I mean, realistically, whenever, whenever I run programs, listen, bro, 40 percent of

02:19:59.180 the people in my programs are Latinx.

02:20:01.740 Okay.

02:20:02.300 You know what I'm saying?

02:20:03.100 Like, like, when you think about a Latinx.

02:20:05.840 You mean a Latino or a Latina?

02:20:07.380 Fuck out of here.

02:20:08.060 You know exactly what I mean.

02:20:09.300 Right.

02:20:10.200 Or we could say Afro Latino because a lot of Latino people are identifying with their, their

02:20:16.780 heritage.

02:20:17.520 Right.

02:20:17.900 But, um, when, when we had our, our Christmas give back, our Thanksgiving give backs, 40%,

02:20:24.180 50% of those people in, in, on the line in those communities are Latinx.

02:20:29.200 So yeah, I'm going in there black first, but everybody's getting some, I'm not going to

02:20:34.400 turn the kid away.

02:20:35.300 Get your little Spanish ass out of here, kid.

02:20:37.780 You just for black.

02:20:38.500 Like, never would I.

02:20:39.680 In a hundred million years.

02:20:41.320 Come here.

02:20:42.020 Can I tell you this?

02:20:42.980 Learn.

02:20:43.340 Let's work.

02:20:44.340 The language that the black community uses on the aggressive side makes it seem that

02:20:47.880 way on the outside.

02:20:48.280 Well, you know what?

02:20:49.080 And that's what I'm saying.

02:20:49.720 America has been using aggressive language with us for 400 years.

02:20:52.380 I'm not going to hear me out.

02:20:53.220 You know what, bro?

02:20:53.780 But here's the deal.

02:20:55.220 Okay.

02:20:55.500 If I, if you, if, if I come in and we, and we, and you punch me in the face, I'm going

02:21:00.240 to punch you fucking back.

02:21:01.320 Yeah.

02:21:01.600 And then guess what's going to happen?

02:21:02.660 You're going to punch me again.

02:21:03.900 Then I'm going to punch you again.

02:21:05.020 Right on.

02:21:05.460 Where the fuck do we get with that?

02:21:07.060 Right?

02:21:07.660 Like, we got to get to a point, bro.

02:21:09.100 And I know it sucks.

02:21:10.260 Why we always got to turn other people?

02:21:11.480 It's not you.

02:21:12.320 That's not what I'm saying.

02:21:13.100 I mean, like black people.

02:21:14.040 Why we always got to be the ones trying to get along?

02:21:15.620 What's the alternative?

02:21:17.020 What's the alternative?

02:21:18.040 Build black communities.

02:21:19.200 Okay.

02:21:19.480 Well, hold on.

02:21:19.820 This is not what I'm saying.

02:21:20.580 Okay.

02:21:21.160 Look, bro.

02:21:22.500 We have got to come to an understanding that we are all in the same fucking boat for real.

02:21:28.820 Yeah.

02:21:29.460 And we have to move forward together.

02:21:31.500 Yeah.

02:21:31.700 There's motherfuckers that are drilling holes and there's people that are fucking picking, the boat's taking

02:21:35.380 on water, bro.

02:21:36.420 Yeah.

02:21:36.640 And so my point in saying that for everybody is this, the idea of this country and the

02:21:43.060 idea that MLK fucking talked about too was all of us moving together as brothers and

02:21:47.980 sisters.

02:21:48.860 All right.

02:21:49.360 We have to get to that point.

02:21:50.740 However, the fuck we get to it now turning the other cheek.

02:21:54.300 That's not what I'm saying at all.

02:21:55.540 I'm not saying that like, dude, I think the black communities do have a rightful gripe to

02:21:59.900 be upset about what the fuck happens in the inner city.

02:22:02.940 Like, dude, it is not right.

02:22:04.120 It's not okay.

02:22:04.740 And it's not something that any fucking person should be okay with for any reason.

02:22:09.960 Okay.

02:22:10.220 And what the problem is, is you have a, and this is a problem.

02:22:13.160 You do have a group of people who only care about the inner city because they have to go

02:22:17.900 there once in a while, see a fucking game.

02:22:19.860 That's it.

02:22:20.620 Right.

02:22:20.960 They only give a fuck about it because it affects them.

02:22:23.300 And that is not good enough.

02:22:25.420 People have to get to an understanding that we all should be caring about each other in

02:22:30.440 equal ways.

02:22:31.280 And however we get there, it's going to not please every single human.

02:22:36.780 You know what's crazy?

02:22:38.000 I just want to like, yeah.

02:22:39.220 I used to believe in love.

02:22:45.600 Like I used to believe in love.

02:22:47.800 It was a time where I gave a speech.

02:22:51.620 It wasn't fire.

02:22:52.860 It was common sense.

02:22:53.880 It was like, we could get there, we could get there together.

02:22:58.180 Right.

02:22:58.960 But every time I look up and I see people have meaningful ways to help, they don't want to

02:23:08.120 help because it's not on their terms.

02:23:10.000 Right.

02:23:10.780 If there's someone drowning in your pool, does it matter how they ask for help?

02:23:16.180 You're going to throw them something to help them save their lives and stay afloat.

02:23:22.040 You're going to jump in and grab them.

02:23:23.640 But people just look for excuses not to help out.

02:23:27.800 Right.

02:23:28.380 So you have these.

02:23:30.300 You ask them to help in their own places.

02:23:31.840 You have these.

02:23:32.960 No, because it's been Democrats.

02:23:34.940 It's been Republicans.

02:23:36.460 It's been corporations.

02:23:37.900 It's been individuals.

02:23:39.160 Well, bro.

02:23:39.400 It's been everybody, bro.

02:23:42.140 And I'm being real.

02:23:43.020 This is heartfelt shit.

02:23:44.040 But motherfuckers only want to help on their terms.

02:23:49.300 Like, if you look at our Black Lives Matter organization, we are, we pass, we are the most

02:23:55.360 impactful.

02:23:56.160 We passed seven laws in the last five years.

02:23:59.140 We have a school.

02:24:00.780 2020, we fed 25,000 people like we do to work.

02:24:05.560 But we speak truth to power.

02:24:09.140 Right.

02:24:09.800 We are not going to tap dance for anyone.

02:24:13.000 We're going to give it to people straight.

02:24:16.100 So they say, you know what?

02:24:17.600 Because you talk the way you do.

02:24:19.340 We're not going to help you, even though you have a formula that works.

02:24:22.720 No, bro.

02:24:23.240 That's not what I'm saying.

02:24:24.320 That's not what I'm saying.

02:24:25.040 No, this is what my experience is.

02:24:26.380 He's saying his experience too in politics.

02:24:29.000 Yeah.

02:24:29.340 So, so, so, so, you know, and when, when I was talking the love thing, right, when you

02:24:35.400 would expect people to help out, it was like a little bit here, a little bit there.

02:24:41.740 So right now I'm, I'm, I'm angry.

02:24:45.220 Angry black man ain't even a term to describe me.

02:24:47.980 I'm furious, bro.

02:24:49.140 Yeah, but I actually, I'm furious.

02:24:50.480 I actually don't have a problem with that at all.

02:24:53.000 Yeah.

02:24:53.580 But what I do have a problem with is the divisive nature of how the fuck we attack, we, this

02:24:59.520 commute, these people, like, bro, listen, man, no bullshit.

02:25:03.160 I can't even take a picture with like, if I took a picture with three white dudes, I'm

02:25:06.660 going to get 30 fucking comments on my feed and say, where's the black guy?

02:25:10.040 Because that's not a good look.

02:25:11.420 Like, that's the shit on the other side of it.

02:25:13.660 Right?

02:25:13.960 Yeah.

02:25:14.340 So that makes it not like, it's like, well, what the fuck?

02:25:16.920 I can't fucking do anything.

02:25:18.100 Let me go grab a black guy to put in this picture.

02:25:19.860 And by the way, that's racist.

02:25:21.740 Right?

02:25:22.020 Like, that's a racist thing.

02:25:23.640 Like, hey, dude, I gotta, I gotta get my black friend over here and get in a picture

02:25:26.880 so I don't get fucked with.

02:25:27.960 Right.

02:25:28.240 And like, dude, that's no way to be either.

02:25:30.140 That's all I'm saying.

02:25:31.060 Yeah.

02:25:31.260 Like, bro, we gotta, we gotta identify who are the real people causing the shit.

02:25:35.760 Yeah.

02:25:36.000 And we gotta get them removed from their ability to cause the shit.

02:25:39.200 And however the fuck we do that is the way we do that.

02:25:41.820 Yeah.

02:25:41.940 After that, I think we've come to some really good conclusions here that we see.

02:25:47.160 You ever saw the last Batman when Bane and them took over the city?

02:25:50.760 Yeah.

02:25:51.320 Made everybody walk the thin ice?

02:25:53.560 That's the shit we need to get on.

02:25:55.060 We need to start snatching these fucking politicians up.

02:25:58.000 We need some pay-per-view shit.

02:25:58.740 Because we can work this shit out.

02:25:59.860 Okay, well now you're on the domestic terrorist list with us.

02:26:03.140 I'm going back to the terrorist list.

02:26:04.540 We finally got it there.

02:26:05.840 Nah, man.

02:26:06.980 I bet they, they, they, they, people were like, it was NYPD officers that wanted,

02:26:11.320 the FBI to come and get me after the thing with the mayor.

02:26:14.860 It's been going on for years, man.

02:26:16.200 Bro, you can't, they've got it now.

02:26:18.120 They have it now.

02:26:19.200 Dude, you've been watching the news.

02:26:20.960 I am a domestic terrorist because of just believing in fucking what I believe.

02:26:25.280 Man, listen.

02:26:25.980 And like, bro, that's why you don't see resistance right now to any of this shit because they

02:26:30.240 are quelling it with threats.

02:26:32.900 Bro, we live in a tyrannical fucking system.

02:26:34.980 Yeah.

02:26:35.600 They are quelling the uprising, the ability for us to unify with threats from the fucking,

02:26:41.580 our own department of justice calling us, okay, conservative.

02:26:46.720 I'm not even conservative.

02:26:47.540 I'm a fucking moderate, by the way.

02:26:50.900 They're domestic terrorists for saying, hey, our government's fucking us.

02:26:54.340 Like, bro, we live in the place that they warned us about when we were in fucking second

02:26:59.260 grade, which was this.

02:27:01.160 Hey man, you know, you're lucky to live here in America.

02:27:03.940 You can say whatever you want against the government.

02:27:05.600 Over in China, they arrest your ass.

02:27:07.040 Well, guess what?

02:27:08.540 They do that shit here now.

02:27:09.980 But it's both parties that want us.

02:27:11.380 A hundred percent.

02:27:12.440 Nobody, nobody's not.

02:27:13.460 Here's the thing, right?

02:27:14.380 Let me ask you about this.

02:27:14.880 Bro, I have a question.

02:27:15.960 The thing is, when you sat here, you sat here and you talked about systemic racism.

02:27:20.880 Yeah.

02:27:21.040 You talked about the fuckery, for lack of a better term, in policing, right?

02:27:27.040 Now, what you have to understand is there are people whose beliefs result in our oppression.

02:27:34.200 A hundred percent.

02:27:35.100 Like, there are people out there who genuinely want to keep us down, right?

02:27:41.760 If that ain't you, you're going to have to wipe that shit off.

02:27:45.420 You understand?

02:27:46.420 Like, you're going to have to wipe it off your shoulder.

02:27:48.480 You see, it's water off a duck's back.

02:27:50.240 You're going to have to get past that and keep moving.

02:27:52.660 Because everything I post, yo, you're a black racist.

02:27:56.000 You're this, you're that.

02:27:56.860 People come at me, right?

02:27:58.460 And I just keep my eye on the prize.

02:28:02.440 You understand what I'm saying?

02:28:03.860 Like, I just keep my eye on the prize just because I know the dirt that white people have

02:28:09.920 done, right?

02:28:11.120 A lot of white people have done.

02:28:12.480 I'm not shutting out other white folks who are down with me.

02:28:16.200 You understand?

02:28:17.260 Like, I don't think for one second.

02:28:19.360 That's the perception.

02:28:20.280 The perception is that, though.

02:28:21.780 Everybody think I'm a racist.

02:28:23.080 I do not know why.

02:28:24.140 Hey, welcome to the club, bro.

02:28:24.780 Like, I do not know why.

02:28:26.460 Like, like, like, like, I do not know fucking why.

02:28:31.760 Why?

02:28:32.020 You're the first time?

02:28:32.520 Yeah, because I love black people.

02:28:35.040 Like, you know what's crazy?

02:28:36.540 You know what's crazy?

02:28:37.320 Like, everybody had a problem with the name Black Lives Matter.

02:28:40.300 Why do I got to be black?

02:28:41.760 Why?

02:28:42.540 No, no, no.

02:28:42.940 You could have an Asian federation.

02:28:44.500 Bro, that problem, that problem, listen, I'm going to tell you where that problem came

02:28:47.020 from.

02:28:47.200 What?

02:28:47.700 That problem came from us here.

02:28:49.640 Okay, look, dude.

02:28:50.460 Like, BLM, the corporation, they came here to St. Louis when Michael Brown and the riots

02:28:58.680 happened here in Ferguson, okay?

02:29:00.080 And they fucking fleeced our entire community and bolted.

02:29:05.160 People didn't want to hear that when George Floyd was killed.

02:29:08.760 They didn't want to hear that shit, all right?

02:29:10.700 So I wouldn't post, I didn't post that fucking black square.

02:29:13.040 I'm not posting that shit because I know what the fuck they're doing.

02:29:15.300 See, here's the thing.

02:29:16.040 Everybody who posted that black square, what the fuck are you really doing?

02:29:19.760 That's it.

02:29:20.540 Like, show me the work.

02:29:22.020 That's it.

02:29:22.600 You know what I mean?

02:29:23.420 Like, it's so much deeper than that.

02:29:24.820 It's armchair activism.

02:29:25.680 It's virtue signaling.

02:29:27.260 Performative.

02:29:27.920 Yeah.

02:29:28.220 Well, that's why the identity is so great.

02:29:30.560 So when you talk about-

02:29:31.640 Performative.

02:29:32.720 That's 100 fucking percent.

02:29:34.700 BLM Global, right?

02:29:36.880 They don't control the streets.

02:29:38.740 Yeah.

02:29:39.220 Like, the majority of this Black Lives Matter movement is people who see something fucked up

02:29:44.740 happening, that is racist, and they pick up a sign, and they go outside, and they say

02:29:50.400 Black Lives Matter.

02:29:51.860 Right?

02:29:52.120 That's why there's a disconnect, though.

02:29:52.780 Those are the real people who carry this movement.

02:29:54.900 Yeah, but you hear what I'm saying, all right?

02:29:56.040 Yeah.

02:29:56.360 So that's why there's a disconnect.

02:29:58.080 There's a disconnect because there's a lot of people who watched that fucking happen,

02:30:01.640 and they saw it happen already.

02:30:03.260 And then when this other shit happened, they said, here the fuck it goes again.

02:30:05.640 Same shit.

02:30:06.460 Yeah.

02:30:06.840 And they're like, fuck, I'm not fucking supporting it.

02:30:08.340 Let me ask this question.

02:30:09.540 What do you feel-

02:30:10.220 They do great work.

02:30:11.400 What do you feel about-

02:30:12.300 They do great work, but the problem is-

02:30:13.880 I'm not down with that Marxist bullshit.

02:30:15.760 That's not-

02:30:16.560 See, people got their philosophies.

02:30:18.700 That's cool.

02:30:19.780 You know what I mean?

02:30:20.620 Marx isn't cool.

02:30:21.740 I mean, you're Marxist, but you support your-

02:30:23.900 Let me ask this.

02:30:25.080 Let me ask this.

02:30:26.000 Let me ask this.

02:30:26.620 Because what's your take on Antifa and their involvement, or some people say hijacking

02:30:36.080 of a movement, and their escalation of things?

02:30:38.460 Antifa ain't hijacked shit.

02:30:40.940 Antifa is a bunch of white dudes, you know what I mean, who understand what America is.

02:30:47.460 It's like, oh, you got the KKK, who just want to go out and fuck with people and fuck

02:30:51.700 people up?

02:30:52.360 Well, guess what?

02:30:53.080 We're a bunch of white dudes who are anti-racist and will fuck you up.

02:30:57.140 Nah, they ain't who they are.

02:30:58.000 No, no, no.

02:30:58.540 Listen, let me tell you something.

02:30:59.700 Let me tell you something.

02:31:00.700 Let me tell you something.

02:31:01.740 This is what started it.

02:31:03.720 This is where it was.

02:31:04.900 It was a lot of white dudes who came out who was anti-fascist, who was like, we're going

02:31:10.080 to shut them down.

02:31:11.240 Now, are black people members of Antifa?

02:31:13.280 Yes.

02:31:13.940 Am I an anti-fascist?

02:31:15.460 Yes.

02:31:16.020 Fucking, fucking AIM.

02:31:17.780 Like, do people really understand what Antifa is?

02:31:22.320 Well, the movements of Antifa, their actions-

02:31:25.040 What are their actions?

02:31:26.660 I mean, what do they do?

02:31:28.100 What are their actions, though?

02:31:29.840 They burn things down and break things and fucking make problems.

02:31:34.220 They walk around with pots and pans.

02:31:36.060 They fucking teach our kids that communism is cool.

02:31:38.400 Paying up pictures of fucking Mao Ling in the classrooms.

02:31:40.860 Hold on.

02:31:41.260 So, wait.

02:31:42.100 They walk around and they blow things up, right?

02:31:44.760 Because they're angry.

02:31:45.960 They felt disrespected.

02:31:47.100 Bro, those people-

02:31:47.620 These are the same white people you're saying that are-

02:31:49.140 They felt disrespected.

02:31:51.360 I don't think they co-opted a movement.

02:31:54.180 Because when Rodney King was killed, when Rodney King was killed, people went out and burned

02:32:00.320 shit down, right?

02:32:01.600 Yeah, of course.

02:32:01.860 During the age of Martin Luther King, when folks would get violated, they would go out

02:32:07.800 and tear shit up.

02:32:09.300 These are not behaviors that are new.

02:32:11.380 These are behaviors that was taught to us.

02:32:13.540 Because when America feels violated, it blows shit up.

02:32:17.840 So, when you got people who feel like they're being violated in this country and they go

02:32:23.460 out and do what they were taught, they're wrong.

02:32:26.340 Because they're breaking the law.

02:32:28.960 But the problem-

02:32:29.460 Now, blowing up buildings in other countries, that's not against their laws?

02:32:33.160 They don't have anything on paper that says America or other countries can't drop bombs

02:32:37.400 on us?

02:32:38.120 Sure.

02:32:38.760 Sure.

02:32:39.000 But here's the issue, Hawker.

02:32:39.740 The problem is that those white liberals that march around in Antifa, they go up and

02:32:43.840 blow up the black fucking communities and they go right back home to the white suburbs

02:32:47.860 and make sure that they stick their BLM sign in the front yard and act like they're performers,

02:32:52.260 bro.

02:32:52.380 During the George Floyd uprising, it was a concerted effort not to burn down shit in our own

02:32:59.100 communities.

02:33:00.420 Yeah, who burned it down?

02:33:01.660 This is shit.

02:33:03.080 Now, y'all want to get into something?

02:33:04.820 Y'all want to get into something real?

02:33:06.420 We were out there in Minnesota, right?

02:33:08.940 For all those listening, I was out there as a peaceful observer.

02:33:13.820 Peaceful protest.

02:33:14.460 As a peaceful observer, right?

02:33:16.520 For everybody.

02:33:17.500 All those alphabet boys who are listening, right?

02:33:20.220 Right?

02:33:20.960 Hey, guys.

02:33:21.500 Bro, the way those fires were set was too synchronized.

02:33:27.500 Synchronized.

02:33:28.160 Bro, they're dropping off pallets of bricks.

02:33:30.200 For it to be, for it to be.

02:33:32.920 Who funds Antifa?

02:33:33.540 Regular.

02:33:34.300 But here's the thing, right?

02:33:35.500 No, no, no, no, no.

02:33:36.080 Here's the thing.

02:33:37.060 Here's the thing.

02:33:37.580 Who funds them?

02:33:38.560 You talking about funding Antifa?

02:33:40.180 I don't even know if Antifa gets money like that.

02:33:42.380 Oh, they absolutely do.

02:33:43.200 You understand?

02:33:44.020 But here's the thing, right?

02:33:45.180 You also had white supremacists out there who were mixing it up, right?

02:33:50.880 You had, who was the guy that killed the cop out west?

02:33:53.560 Killed the cop in LA.

02:33:54.520 He was a white supremacist.

02:33:56.180 He was a boogaloo boy.

02:33:57.440 Tell me about the fires.

02:33:59.580 Oh, the fires, man.

02:34:00.520 That shit was weird.

02:34:01.940 So Wells Fargo burned up, right?

02:34:05.620 And this is right across the street.

02:34:07.480 I never felt, I don't care what anybody says, I never felt more free in my life than being

02:34:12.580 in the streets of Minnesota.

02:34:13.540 It was the freest I ever felt in my life because we really owned the streets.

02:34:20.240 This is, there were no fires.

02:34:22.160 There was just the people out there voicing their opinions.

02:34:25.520 It wasn't as much anger as it was joy in the fact that you were out there with people

02:34:31.420 who were saying no more, right?

02:34:33.960 So the fire started burning.

02:34:35.700 Wells Fargo right across from the prison started burning.

02:34:38.300 I could give a fuck about Wells Fargo burning.

02:34:41.080 They paid out billions of dollars for their racist ways, right?

02:34:45.960 So I could care less about that.

02:34:47.380 But as you were looking at Wells Fargo burn, a building, a block away in the other direction

02:34:53.800 to go on fire, right?

02:34:55.720 And then when you're looking at that one, another one, it was like synchronized.

02:34:59.440 Yeah.

02:34:59.940 Right?

02:35:00.260 And why?

02:35:00.880 And then you heard stories, right?

02:35:03.380 You heard stories, right?

02:35:05.220 In a roundabout way, like, oh, somebody may or may not have went in the building and saw

02:35:10.240 like, he was like, bro, the whole floor, the whole basement was on fire.

02:35:14.160 I ain't never seen no shit like that in my life.

02:35:15.900 It was people out there who owned businesses like, I'll give you a few hundred dollars

02:35:20.500 if you let this shit, you know, if, if you, um, if you burn this shit down, it was a lot

02:35:25.100 of funny stuff going down.

02:35:26.600 There was a lot of people out there who were angry, who might've damaged some property,

02:35:29.700 but it was definitely another element out there.

02:35:33.360 Definitely another.

02:35:35.260 You don't think that it's a possibility that, that maybe those were intentionally set to

02:35:41.080 create a certain optic on TV?

02:35:43.720 I believe yes.

02:35:45.580 But by whom is what we need to talk about?

02:35:48.640 We've been addressing by whom.

02:35:50.240 Can we say?

02:35:51.180 Yeah.

02:35:51.440 It ain't us.

02:35:52.760 And it ain't you.

02:35:55.160 And it ain't anybody in this room or anybody that represents that.

02:35:57.940 I think everybody needs to come to that realization of that.

02:36:01.380 Who the fuck was it?

02:36:02.300 I know that they found white supremacists.

02:36:04.720 Who did January 6th?

02:36:08.100 Crazy white people.

02:36:09.260 Yeah.

02:36:10.660 Come on, dude.

02:36:11.580 I mean, is it, is it a, I mean, is it a, I mean, is it a stretch to consider that a three

02:36:22.960 letter agency would be highly invested in making things way worse for optics?

02:36:32.360 What would they gain?

02:36:34.140 They gained a division.

02:36:35.420 They shake the jar of the ants, bro.

02:36:38.160 See what I'm saying?

02:36:39.340 No unity, no resistance.

02:36:41.420 Lots of stuff to film.

02:36:42.800 It was the same.

02:36:43.140 As soon as the riots happened, all the, all the ad space on the news skyrocketed.

02:36:48.680 They understand something very cool.

02:36:49.860 So everyone who, everyone who sold ads during that time, they were selling them off like

02:36:54.460 crazy.

02:36:54.940 It was like worse than the, it was like more expensive ad space than the Super Bowl.

02:36:59.500 And that's what people fail to realize.

02:37:01.560 Oh yeah.

02:37:02.080 Yeah.

02:37:02.320 Because when everyone's watching the TV and they can show it, everyone's glued to the

02:37:08.000 TV.

02:37:08.380 So news agencies raise the advertising rates during the riot.

02:37:12.960 Whenever there's heavy, they do the same thing during a major sporting event.

02:37:16.920 And I can say, no, I get that part, but I wouldn't imagine.

02:37:19.340 So now you have a fucking sporting event.

02:37:21.740 You know what I'm saying?

02:37:22.380 Like now you have a situation.

02:37:23.700 Freedom.

02:37:24.120 But this is, this is one of the things I talked about in the marker video, how the same

02:37:30.980 families who are financially benefit from these, the, the organizations, the companies that

02:37:40.380 are taking in money are also promoting it through the media outlets.

02:37:45.700 Here's, here's something that's really interesting.

02:37:48.120 Well, no, I just, no, I get it.

02:37:50.880 And I'm going to give you something.

02:37:52.320 Listen, the families that you're talking about, the things you said earlier, there are hardcore

02:38:00.640 black revolutionaries that believe the same thing, but because we disagree on politics

02:38:09.500 or certain elements, folks will never come together.

02:38:12.800 This goes back to what we're saying, right?

02:38:14.300 As long as people who are on the bottom of the socioeconomic scale are bickering over

02:38:22.260 whatever distances they have, instead of figuring out where they can work together, right?

02:38:28.700 Folks will never look at the folks on the top.

02:38:30.760 They'll never look at who's on top, the puppet masters.

02:38:33.440 Like, they just won't see it.

02:38:35.340 We live in.

02:38:35.980 That's all I've been trying to say for two years, dude.

02:38:37.940 And I think also, if you take into consideration the, you know, the up, the George Floyd uprising,

02:38:43.900 right?

02:38:44.300 The extensive, you know, nature of how many riots happen simultaneously.

02:38:52.780 And it's very, very strange.

02:38:56.940 I believe that the majority of it was organic.

02:39:02.920 It was organic, right?

02:39:04.620 People coming out was organic.

02:39:06.940 I also agree that the majority of January 6th was organic.

02:39:09.940 I think, yeah.

02:39:10.880 But I think a lot of the, even the destruction of property,

02:39:13.900 that's not violent, it was property, it's not violent.

02:39:16.940 The destruction of property, I believe a lot of that was organic.

02:39:19.660 But I believe that there was definitely some elements there who are trying to amplify this.

02:39:25.960 Like, for example, so I, like, I volunteered and helped clean up the Los Angeles riots, right?

02:39:31.180 Because I had, you know, I had friends who were minorities who had their stores destroyed.

02:39:36.040 Yeah.

02:39:36.440 You know, so we were out there, you know, I want-

02:39:39.560 Minorities?

02:39:40.000 What do you mean minorities?

02:39:41.120 Like, non-white business owners.

02:39:43.220 Well, here's the thing.

02:39:44.080 We are the global majority.

02:39:45.960 Well, okay.

02:39:46.500 We are not minorities, brother.

02:39:47.920 Keep that one with you.

02:39:48.880 That's a free one.

02:39:49.920 We're the global majority.

02:39:50.780 I'm going to put that in my pocket.

02:39:53.040 Anyway.

02:39:55.760 Back to what I was saying.

02:39:56.960 Yeah.

02:39:57.220 There were instances where these photo shoots and photo opportunities and video shoots

02:40:05.980 of police cars being overturned and burnt, those are not real police cars.

02:40:11.020 They were parked and abandoned, and they were Hollywood set cars, right?

02:40:16.240 There are hangers filled with vehicles.

02:40:19.160 Those were not the standard issue LAPD police.

02:40:21.100 Bro, what about them dropping off all the pallets?

02:40:23.220 What I saw, I've seen some police cars torched, right?

02:40:30.680 But I do, there's things that I've seen.

02:40:35.300 There's things that I've experienced that makes me believe that the media is out to amplify

02:40:41.380 these messages.

02:40:43.420 Now, it was like, who does it benefit, right?

02:40:47.880 Democrats are out.

02:40:49.560 Yes, we're pro-Black Lives Matter.

02:40:51.080 They're painting streets, right?

02:40:52.360 But not really giving us anything tangible.

02:40:55.940 Joe Biden just told us to kiss his behind when we asked for reparations and then the student loan debt.

02:41:02.120 He reversed the thing Trump did with the historically black colleges.

02:41:05.760 And even Donald Trump, right?

02:41:08.140 Donald Trump had me in a commercial for re-election.

02:41:11.080 It's like, the Democrats are going to let them burn down your cities.

02:41:15.480 You need law and order protection against Hawk and his friends, his amigos, right?

02:41:21.780 So, so it's like, both sides, both sides, the bad hombres, yeah.

02:41:28.520 It's like both sides benefit from it.

02:41:32.680 It's crazy.

02:41:33.740 Do I know for a fact that there are anarchists amongst us who come out and do what they do?

02:41:40.340 Yes.

02:41:41.080 Like, I, what you got to understand is, right, when there is destruction in this country, people listen quicker and more attentively than when there is peace.

02:41:57.220 Well, I don't think anybody debates that.

02:41:58.640 Yeah, there's no debate in that.

02:42:00.900 You know, I'm not a violent person, but at the end of the day, I see what's working.

02:42:06.460 Am I pushing a button and sending people out there?

02:42:08.440 No, I don't have that type of power, right?

02:42:10.540 But what I'm saying is, is that, is it possible that these things are being done in a capitalistic nature?

02:42:20.800 Of course, like, and this is, this is another reason why I think the protests, we've, we've tried a lot, right?

02:42:30.420 But if we learn to boycott industry, right?

02:42:36.140 Like, if we learn to, you know, American airlines, I have no problem with them.

02:42:41.560 I'm just using them as an example.

02:42:43.500 Well, Frontier Airlines did something really nasty to a friend.

02:42:46.360 So let's say Frontier Airlines, right?

02:42:48.200 Let's say we just stop supporting them.

02:42:50.600 We spend so much money, it would matter, right?

02:42:54.240 Like, like, if we could just take this to an economic level, like, people would be forced to help us.

02:43:02.480 What if we got everybody to agree with those things?

02:43:06.080 Yeah, that'd be beautiful.

02:43:08.200 Now we're talking about major overnight damage right away.

02:43:12.480 And I'm an anti-cancel culture dude.

02:43:14.200 I'm a pro-freedom dude, okay?

02:43:16.360 Like, people should be free to have their views, but you should also be free to reap the consequences of those views.

02:43:22.820 Listen, nobody's saying you can't say nigger, but when I punch you in your face, you know what I'm saying?

02:43:30.540 Like, hey, God, it's freedom of speech, but it's freedom for me to kick your ass.

02:43:34.120 You know what I'm saying?

02:43:35.220 You know what I said, bro?

02:43:36.300 We were in a better place 30 years ago when you could get in a little fist fight and then have a beer afterwards.

02:43:41.280 You know?

02:43:42.500 Everybody goes to grab a cell phone, bro.

02:43:44.400 Well, bro, everybody's pussy nowadays.

02:43:46.120 We grew up, you know, I mean, we're around the same age.

02:43:48.040 This is the fucking, oh, look at this.

02:43:49.680 I got to talk about Eric Adams.

02:43:52.820 Right?

02:43:53.840 It was his first day as mayor.

02:43:55.680 He was on the subway with 30 cameras around him, and you know he had his cops, his detail with him.

02:44:00.900 He sees a fight in the street.

02:44:02.760 He calls the police.

02:44:04.200 Hey, guys.

02:44:05.780 You know, we got an incident.

02:44:07.840 How are you a man of the people?

02:44:09.980 Why don't you go break it up?

02:44:11.240 Come on, Andy.

02:44:12.680 So I just got back to New York two days ago, right?

02:44:15.880 And I'm driving, and it's a food pantry.

02:44:17.660 And one guy's irate.

02:44:19.240 Bro, that's missing an opportunity.

02:44:21.320 He's a fucking idiot for doing that.

02:44:22.540 That would have been a great person.

02:44:23.740 He could have went to that motherfucker, broke them up, and then gave him a talk.

02:44:26.500 Yeah.

02:44:26.920 Bro, bro, he's not.

02:44:28.820 We have lost men.

02:44:30.320 Yeah.

02:44:31.220 We are not men on both sides of the aisle.

02:44:34.620 Men are not being allowed to be men.

02:44:37.100 Period.

02:44:38.440 Period.

02:44:38.940 I don't know if anybody can allow you to be a man.

02:44:41.280 Well, that's the thing.

02:44:42.000 It's like, you don't get air time when you're a man.

02:44:47.800 Yeah.

02:44:48.640 You're saying things.

02:44:49.440 No, they call us toxic.

02:44:50.540 You're toxic, bro.

02:44:51.400 You're toxic.

02:44:51.900 I'm toxic AF.

02:44:52.680 You know what I'm saying?

02:44:53.260 You're not adhering.

02:44:53.860 I'm toxic AF.

02:44:55.160 You're not adhering.

02:44:55.940 Yeah.

02:44:56.240 But I respect women.

02:44:57.320 I love women.

02:44:57.940 But when I got back to New York, I'm riding in my truck.

02:45:00.960 You know what's toxic, bro?

02:45:01.480 Not being a fucking man.

02:45:03.220 That's what's fucking toxic.

02:45:04.480 You want to talk about real toxic masculinity?

02:45:06.160 Oh, shit.

02:45:06.380 Toxic masculinity is being a weak fucking man who won't stand up for what's right, who

02:45:11.120 won't stand up for what they believe, who's too cowardly to make a statement because they

02:45:15.240 think someone's going to fucking cancel them.

02:45:17.640 Right.

02:45:17.820 That's some weak ass shit.

02:45:19.060 And that's the reason we are where we are.

02:45:20.880 Because everybody fucking knows, all you motherfuckers know, listen to this show, that this shit

02:45:25.600 that's going on in our country right now, and I'm not talking about just the race shit

02:45:29.320 we've been talking about, police shit.

02:45:30.720 I'm talking about fucking all of it.

02:45:32.360 It's fucking wrong.

02:45:33.480 I think people should talk about this pseudo manhood shit, though.

02:45:36.060 Right.

02:45:36.920 Like, a man can't cry.

02:45:39.620 Right.

02:45:39.980 No, you should be able to cry.

02:45:40.940 A man can't get mental health.

02:45:42.700 No, no, bro.

02:45:43.140 I mean, a man can't get therapy.

02:45:44.960 That's not.

02:45:45.280 That's not.

02:45:45.860 Like, this is, somehow, it gets mixed up.

02:45:49.260 See, I don't think, bro, I'm friends with some of the, what people would say are the

02:45:53.000 most toxically masculine dudes.

02:45:54.740 Toxically masculine, yeah.

02:45:55.560 I mean, I talk-

02:45:56.460 Bro, every fucking one of them.

02:45:57.520 Dude, I talk about this on stage.

02:45:59.020 Like, I talk about my attempted suicide.

02:46:00.840 I talk about my recovery.

02:46:02.220 I cry on stage.

02:46:03.200 Come on.

02:46:03.900 You know what I mean?

02:46:04.440 Like, that's being a man to me, too.

02:46:05.840 We have to include that book, bro.

02:46:06.980 We have to be allowed.

02:46:07.980 We have to be allowed.

02:46:09.860 We have to be allowed to have a space where we have emotion.

02:46:13.860 But we also have to, you know, we can't push our place in society as protectors and

02:46:20.700 as people of reason.

02:46:22.520 Listen, bro, you can't be a man and be a professional victim at the same fucking time.

02:46:26.360 That's the problem.

02:46:27.120 We have to also reevaluate how we look at women, right?

02:46:33.660 Yeah, yeah.

02:46:34.260 Like, we live in a sexist world.

02:46:37.140 You know what I'm saying?

02:46:38.120 Yeah.

02:46:38.540 Where women aren't taken seriously.

02:46:40.820 When we were just talking about how brilliant and smart women are.

02:46:44.840 But these things are being lost in the conversation, right?

02:46:48.660 Because, like, right now, you're either toxic or you're extremely overly sensitive.

02:46:53.840 Let's go back 50 years, bro.

02:46:56.620 And let's look at how people acted, how they behaved.

02:46:59.760 They had manners.

02:47:00.960 They opened doors.

02:47:02.320 They fucking did shit.

02:47:03.440 They had God.

02:47:04.120 That's right.

02:47:05.200 There you go, bro.

02:47:06.120 That's a big one.

02:47:06.600 They had God.

02:47:07.340 There you go.

02:47:08.180 That's when everything really starts.

02:47:10.060 Like, they had.

02:47:10.620 We're living in a situation where it's.

02:47:13.340 And, man, I just I feel for women.

02:47:16.740 I almost feel like we got to fucking just like, dude.

02:47:19.300 But it's listen.

02:47:20.700 You think about this and you think about even like we're in an economic crisis.

02:47:25.160 And it's like the normalization of hyper sexualization of women.

02:47:32.360 It's not, you know, and it's listen, dude.

02:47:34.420 I'm, you know, sex, drugs are rock and roll.

02:47:36.320 I cut the drugs out.

02:47:37.340 Yeah.

02:47:37.780 The rest of it stood.

02:47:39.940 And it's like, you know, at my age at this point now, like I joke about stuff and the

02:47:45.260 experience that I've had.

02:47:46.240 But I've known and loved some people who have suffered, suffered, you know.

02:47:52.620 And it's like a lot of it is a lack of masculinity.

02:47:57.860 It's a lack of fatherhood.

02:47:58.920 It's fatherless homes.

02:47:59.840 And then also, you know, our role is, you know, I think also supporting the hyper sexualization

02:48:08.960 of women because we also grew up in a time where.

02:48:11.260 You're saying the right shit right there.

02:48:12.880 Yeah.

02:48:13.080 There are posters on the wall like, you know, oh, this chick, like Vivica Fox.

02:48:16.300 Bitches ain't shit.

02:48:16.980 No, dude.

02:48:17.820 All the shit we used to listen to.

02:48:19.580 It makes me sad as fuck.

02:48:20.500 Rock and roll.

02:48:21.800 Like, yeah, yeah.

02:48:22.660 It makes me sad as fuck.

02:48:24.040 Like, to be completely honest, I have some friends who are beautiful women and they're

02:48:29.480 good people.

02:48:30.000 And I know they're good people.

02:48:31.120 Uh-huh.

02:48:31.360 And literally all they feel like they can show the world is their bodies.

02:48:35.100 And like, dude, I don't like that shit.

02:48:36.660 It makes me sick.

02:48:37.820 And dude, and I'm as guilty as anyone of consuming the shit.

02:48:40.940 And that's where the hypocrisy's got to end.

02:48:43.160 It's also the algorithms and social media.

02:48:45.500 Our men have to stop consuming and valuing women for their fucking looks.

02:48:49.960 That's it.

02:48:50.300 It has to stop, bro.

02:48:51.280 We got to teach men how to be men.

02:48:52.940 That's it.

02:48:53.420 Like, and a lot of it, because, you know, we have women in our lives.

02:48:56.480 My sister ran for Congress.

02:48:57.720 My sister and I founded Black Lives Matter Grave in New York together.

02:49:00.680 And my sister is my right hand as well as my left.

02:49:03.100 Yeah.

02:49:03.340 Right?

02:49:03.880 And we're in this together.

02:49:05.540 And I feel like she'd get so much more respect if she was a man.

02:49:11.480 You know what I mean?

02:49:12.300 I feel like we were going to meetings when she was running for Congress.

02:49:17.920 And the men would talk to me instead of talking to her.

02:49:22.500 And she was the candidate.

02:49:24.300 Like, the sexism is real.

02:49:26.260 And I don't think we are cognizant of how we downplay women.

02:49:31.820 Yeah, but we shouldn't overcorrect that to be where the man is the fucking passive little

02:49:36.660 weak thing.

02:49:37.440 Nah.

02:49:37.900 And the woman is the...

02:49:38.960 Like, they're trying to create...

02:49:39.820 That's not how I was raised.

02:49:41.120 I think an attribute...

02:49:43.780 They're trying to create that.

02:49:45.240 They want to remove all of...

02:49:47.240 Population control.

02:49:48.300 Yeah.

02:49:48.660 Well, yeah.

02:49:49.900 I think it has a lot...

02:49:51.440 That's a whole other thing we can do.

02:49:53.320 It's episode two, guys.

02:49:55.840 We're definitely going to do another show.

02:49:57.440 That's what we'll talk about next time.

02:49:58.760 Yeah.

02:49:59.080 Yeah.

02:49:59.260 I don't know.

02:50:00.100 I think, like, the...

02:50:03.260 You know, that's another...

02:50:04.420 That's another complete other debate.

02:50:06.040 That's another person to have on to.

02:50:07.300 Like, what do we...

02:50:08.520 Like, as men, how do we support women?

02:50:11.520 Bro.

02:50:11.820 Right?

02:50:12.240 Without...

02:50:12.960 Because I don't want to be...

02:50:15.860 Like, I'm an ally and just be, like, one of those fake...

02:50:18.740 Soar Boy Latte ponytail.

02:50:20.180 Well, a lot of those guys, all they're really doing is...

02:50:23.320 They can't compete in the sexual climate to procreate with these women.

02:50:27.700 So they feign caring about their beliefs and caring about their equality.

02:50:33.180 So they get an opportunity to make...

02:50:35.500 But to that point, women contribute to that as well.

02:50:37.580 Because they pay it out to see that, like, that's what we want.

02:50:40.280 That's right.

02:50:40.860 You know what I'm saying?

02:50:41.460 Like, we want a man that will be in your feelings.

02:50:43.920 Grow your ponytail out.

02:50:44.760 Let's go over to Starbucks.

02:50:45.900 No, it's no different than what Hawke said about violence.

02:50:47.800 Yeah, but that's...

02:50:48.400 You're taught that, shown that.

02:50:49.360 That's what the fuck you do.

02:50:49.840 That's what you do.

02:50:50.440 You know what I'm saying?

02:50:51.120 I don't think so.

02:50:51.760 I don't...

02:50:52.120 No, women contribute to that just as much as men.

02:50:54.140 So, I mean, I put it in an analogy.

02:50:56.280 Just as much.

02:50:56.860 Absolutely.

02:50:57.380 Well, no, I wouldn't say...

02:50:58.560 Because they paint the picture that that's what they want.

02:51:00.580 And so men then lower their standards, grow the ponytail, go to Starbucks, and...

02:51:05.100 Oh, that's because that's what they want.

02:51:05.480 I love Starbucks, bro.

02:51:06.940 Yeah, but I don't...

02:51:07.840 Okay.

02:51:09.580 All right, side note.

02:51:10.800 This motherfucker asked me if he had almond milk back there.

02:51:12.840 I said, bro...

02:51:13.380 Oat milk.

02:51:13.940 Oat milk.

02:51:14.620 I'm like, bro, oat milk.

02:51:16.180 Are you lactose, though?

02:51:17.380 No.

02:51:17.820 Well, I am.

02:51:18.820 But no, man, the way I see it is, I'll never forget I said something that was dumb that

02:51:24.860 I didn't know was dumb at the time.

02:51:27.280 I was like, man, if you really want to plan to work, get you a bunch of women and go to

02:51:32.720 work, right?

02:51:33.660 Because women get shit done.

02:51:35.660 Like, they organize and they really get things done.

02:51:38.200 Dudes want to procrastinate, lollygag, whatever, right?

02:51:42.020 But some woman came on and was like, how about you support the woman's vision?

02:51:47.620 And I was like, shit, that's kind of right.

02:51:51.700 You know what I mean?

02:51:52.340 A lot of times, we push down women's ideas.

02:51:55.380 They have to fight harder to get their ideas out and get the support behind them.

02:52:00.460 And I think we really have to be cognizant of that.

02:52:03.100 Because, you know, I have a daughter.

02:52:04.940 I don't know if...

02:52:05.700 You know what I mean?

02:52:06.360 Like, you have women in your lives.

02:52:07.720 And you know those women aren't idiots.

02:52:09.740 But they might be sitting in a boardroom and not being taken seriously because they're

02:52:14.480 women.

02:52:14.720 You understand?

02:52:16.120 So we've got to start tearing that stuff down.

02:52:18.220 It causes resentment.

02:52:20.440 And the accumulative resentment in the female pain body is having a similar resentment to

02:52:27.040 the African-American community and feeling not heard and not seen, right?

02:52:31.940 So then what's happening is it's going...

02:52:35.160 The demand to be seen and be equal is the actual action of demand is making it so these

02:52:43.900 people are not heard universally.

02:52:46.200 And the solution has to be to bridge that gap.

02:52:49.040 I wish I felt better about the world after this conversation.

02:52:53.760 Yeah, but it's not...

02:52:54.960 We agree.

02:52:55.920 It's the real part.

02:52:56.860 It's like, how much work do we have to do?

02:52:59.600 That's it.

02:53:00.260 You know what I mean?

02:53:00.960 It's like, it's an abundance.

02:53:02.600 Bro, it's the whole...

02:53:03.600 It's...

02:53:03.920 Listen, we all...

02:53:05.180 Every fucking human on the planet, when you're standing at the bottom of that mountain,

02:53:10.160 you start realizing how fucking hard it's going to be, it's a little demoralizing.

02:53:14.460 Yeah.

02:53:14.740 So that's what you're going through.

02:53:15.840 That's it.

02:53:16.160 You know what I'm saying?

02:53:16.680 But at least you're staring at the mountain.

02:53:18.040 That's right.

02:53:18.580 Some people are staring at their feet.

02:53:19.920 And you know how you get to the top of the fucking mountain?

02:53:21.440 There's only one way.

02:53:22.600 One step at a fucking time.

02:53:23.820 That's it.

02:53:24.320 That's it.

02:53:24.700 That's it.

02:53:25.060 Point blank period.

02:53:26.120 For me, it's like, it's one hood at a time, bro.

02:53:28.940 Yeah.

02:53:29.540 Just...

02:53:30.020 And I keep talking about it.

02:53:32.000 It's literal healing centers, like, in the hood, where people walk in and it's like this

02:53:37.740 space and you feel this energy.

02:53:39.560 Like, I told you when I walked in your factory, I felt this spirit of productivity.

02:53:45.240 I just want people to feel a spirit of empowerment.

02:53:47.320 Like, yeah, that's the world out there is gunshots, it's drugs, it's whatever.

02:53:51.540 But you walk in here, you're coming in here to become a better person who's going to meditate,

02:53:56.500 do a little yoga, feel a little better about yourself, get a little healthier.

02:53:59.700 And that's what we have to do community by community.

02:54:02.300 So let me, this all comes, this is, no matter how we cut this pie, bro, it's all going to

02:54:07.600 come down to this.

02:54:08.480 Yeah.

02:54:09.000 Okay.

02:54:09.820 We have got to encourage personal responsibility, okay, to take care of our own needs and wants

02:54:16.360 and get out there in the world and make some shit happen.

02:54:18.320 Because I'm going to tell you right now, it doesn't matter if you're black, it doesn't

02:54:21.440 matter if you're white, it doesn't matter if you're Asian, it doesn't fucking matter.

02:54:24.500 If you're going to get somewhere in this life, it is going to be fucking hard because there's

02:54:29.660 a lot of people who are going to try to stand in the way.

02:54:32.480 There's a lot of people who are going to try to discourage it for a whole bunch of reasons.

02:54:36.800 And at the end of the day, what we have to do is we've got to teach people how to persevere,

02:54:42.020 overcome, and work towards the common good together.

02:54:44.700 It's got to happen.

02:54:46.140 You know, they said, I think Dr. King said it and they were like, you know, you got to

02:54:50.680 pull yourself up by the bootstraps.

02:54:52.140 He was like, you're talking to people who don't even have boots on.

02:54:55.980 I understand.

02:54:56.280 So what we're doing is we're trying to give people boots.

02:54:59.520 I understand.

02:55:00.120 You know what I'm saying?

02:55:01.400 Like, that's what the next movement has to be.

02:55:05.180 Like, there are great organizations, you know, NAACP, they have their Legal Defense Fund.

02:55:09.920 You have a lot of organizations out there doing a lot of work.

02:55:13.560 But there isn't a national organization that is empowering black people, right?

02:55:21.460 And that's what I'm trying to create.

02:55:22.740 We have to empower everyone.

02:55:25.300 No, I get that.

02:55:26.380 We have to.

02:55:26.620 I get that, right?

02:55:27.220 Our kids right now, everybody's kids are being taught bullshit.

02:55:30.880 We're being, listen, these motherfuckers, listen, America is not intended to teach kids

02:55:35.740 this shit, okay?

02:55:36.600 I'm going to say-

02:55:37.300 It can't be everybody.

02:55:38.920 I'm talking, hold on, hold on.

02:55:39.780 Yeah.

02:55:40.840 Right now, everybody's taught to be fucking mediocre.

02:55:43.100 Yeah.

02:55:43.460 We're taught, hey, take what you can get.

02:55:45.720 Work your way through life.

02:55:46.760 Don't get too loud.

02:55:48.340 Be like everybody else and fucking take what you get and be happy with.

02:55:51.880 17th place.

02:55:52.560 That's what the fuck we're taught.

02:55:54.060 You get a, right now you get a trophy for 17th place.

02:55:56.740 You're getting told you're awesome when you fucking suck.

02:55:59.400 We're getting told all this shit.

02:56:01.680 Bro, these kids cannot hear those messages.

02:56:04.440 We have, the messaging has to change.

02:56:06.200 And if we want our country as a whole to be a safe and secure and a country that provides

02:56:15.340 opportunity for real and results for real for our own people, and that's you and me,

02:56:21.720 okay?

02:56:22.680 We have to start teaching real psychological understanding of what it takes to succeed

02:56:28.940 personally.

02:56:30.060 I get you.

02:56:30.760 Yeah.

02:56:31.140 Right?

02:56:31.860 But here's the thing, right?

02:56:32.960 I understand you're saying that there needs to be extra focus on somebody that's behind.

02:56:38.160 I got it.

02:56:38.840 I get that.

02:56:39.520 I got it.

02:56:40.240 I'm going to go and focus on these people.

02:56:41.880 Yeah.

02:56:42.220 And before there can be any true unity push, we have to heal our communities.

02:56:50.120 Because if we don't heal our communities, when everybody becomes unified and starts pushing

02:56:56.180 ahead, foraging for the new future, we're going to get left behind.

02:57:00.540 No, they get forgotten about.

02:57:01.340 So we got to be healthy.

02:57:03.360 We got to be healthy so that we could join that push.

02:57:06.940 Like, I'll never forget, I got in the war and I was up like, bro, people don't understand

02:57:12.280 how much we're missing out on by oppressing human beings.

02:57:16.980 You realize these great, how many different, how many more Steve Jobs we've had?

02:57:22.600 How many more?

02:57:23.480 They're trying to put us on a motherfucking metaverse.

02:57:26.020 They're trying to put us on a fucking metaverse with fucking bugs, sitting in a fucking room

02:57:30.640 with no possessions, no clothes, no fucking nothing.

02:57:32.960 Bro.

02:57:33.260 Bro, that's what they're trying.

02:57:34.600 They're trying to enslave the human race.

02:57:37.380 It's scary.

02:57:37.920 That's what we're up against right now.

02:57:39.200 It's scary.

02:57:39.540 And our enemy is pure evil.

02:57:48.280 And it's common.

02:57:49.680 Right?

02:57:50.100 And it's everywhere.

02:57:51.160 And what will happen is, when you get out here and you start making strides to really

02:57:57.580 wake people up, they're going to come for you.

02:58:01.360 Yeah.

02:58:01.900 You know what I'm saying?

02:58:03.240 We both felt it.

02:58:04.060 What did I say to you outside?

02:58:05.380 What did I say to you outside?

02:58:07.020 We're outside smoking.

02:58:07.700 They're going to try and kill us.

02:58:08.820 I said, you know what's going to happen, right?

02:58:10.980 They're going to come for both of us.

02:58:12.560 Right.

02:58:12.840 It is what the fuck it is, bro.

02:58:13.980 I've had a good life.

02:58:14.680 I don't give a fuck.

02:58:15.540 You ain't stopping me, motherfucker.

02:58:16.640 Psychic told me 90.

02:58:17.860 Motherfucker, you better come correct.

02:58:19.520 Yeah.

02:58:19.920 No shit.

02:58:20.280 You better come, Corrine.

02:58:21.260 You better not fucking miss.

02:58:21.780 I said a while ago, you motherfuckers better just drone strike me.

02:58:24.540 Because I ain't fucking stopping.

02:58:25.980 I ain't fucking stopping.

02:58:27.040 And I ain't afraid to eat none of you fucks.

02:58:28.460 Yeah.

02:58:28.960 No, I don't think they'll come here.

02:58:30.560 Because everybody in this whole facility is like jacked.

02:58:34.920 Everybody's doing like push-ups every 10 minutes or some shit.

02:58:37.820 Everybody in here is like swole.

02:58:40.120 I'm looking at this place.

02:58:41.620 And, you know, I just got to give you credit, you know, for this environment.

02:58:46.940 Right.

02:58:47.360 Thank you.

02:58:47.680 Because.

02:58:48.860 Well, I got to send that credit to these guys.

02:58:51.860 Yeah.

02:58:52.440 You know what I'm saying?

02:58:53.060 These are good people here.

02:58:54.160 This is dope, man.

02:58:55.300 And, you know, you always look at the workers.

02:58:57.960 People didn't look sad back there.

02:58:59.540 You know what I'm saying?

02:59:00.260 I'm not talking about the desk folks.

02:59:01.620 I'm talking about the people in the bags moving the boxes.

02:59:03.980 And you know what I mean?

02:59:05.420 There's one thing.

02:59:06.220 I know you're big.

02:59:07.080 We had perfect.

02:59:07.300 I know you're big on the American flag.

02:59:10.120 Yeah.

02:59:13.520 Our family is pro-black.

02:59:16.000 Militant as fuck.

02:59:16.780 But we were always like super proud Americans.

02:59:20.300 It was like this abusive relationship.

02:59:22.100 Like America kicked the shit out of us.

02:59:23.940 But we love America, right?

02:59:26.160 Like when the National Anthem.

02:59:27.460 We love what it can be.

02:59:28.140 The ideal of America.

02:59:30.240 100%.

02:59:30.480 I want what they sold us.

02:59:33.620 Not what they actually gave us.

02:59:35.480 That's what I want too.

02:59:37.100 That's it.

02:59:37.840 The ideal, right?

02:59:39.360 So like it was crazy because I used to watch games.

02:59:42.440 And I used to stand up in my house for the National Anthem, right?

02:59:46.520 So when the thing happened with Kaepernick,

02:59:49.660 it was really a great awakening because it was like,

02:59:53.420 damn, America's not holding up its end of the deal to us.

02:59:58.240 So why should we respect that flag?

03:00:01.740 And I made a pledge.

03:00:02.980 I said, you know, I'm not standing up for the flag

03:00:05.300 until this flag is truly honored and my people are treated fairly.

03:00:10.160 And, you know, I understand how you feel about the flag and what it represents.

03:00:14.860 And I just wanted to share that with you, bro.

03:00:16.600 Oh, bro.

03:00:17.120 Listen, dude, I appreciate that.

03:00:19.760 And I already knew that.

03:00:20.820 Yeah.

03:00:21.020 I fucking knew that.

03:00:22.020 Yeah.

03:00:22.180 Like, bro, what did I tell you about Hawk before he came down?

03:00:24.680 Before you ever talked to him.

03:00:26.360 I said, this motherfucker's cool.

03:00:27.600 He's got a good heart.

03:00:28.560 He's doing good shit.

03:00:30.040 He happens to represent what the media says is against all this other shit.

03:00:34.400 And, bro, I already, I read you a hundred percent on that.

03:00:38.180 Right on.

03:00:38.600 Yeah.

03:00:39.120 Right on.

03:00:39.620 And like, dude, one of my biggest things is like,

03:00:43.140 I want everybody in this country to feel that same way

03:00:47.840 when they see that fucking flag.

03:00:49.900 I want everybody to feel that way.

03:00:51.900 And I understand, but dude, we're on the same page.

03:00:54.920 We got to build this country up to honor that.

03:00:57.800 That dream that was America.

03:00:59.140 You know what I mean?

03:00:59.840 I think we've gotten away from that.

03:01:01.820 We're really, really, I think, unfortunately, man,

03:01:04.080 we've moved further away from what that flag is supposed to mean.

03:01:10.080 Well, like, from my experience of the, like,

03:01:13.020 what that flag means to me is, it's actually very different.

03:01:19.980 Like, to me, it represents no matter what circumstance I've been handed,

03:01:25.000 I can still make it.

03:01:26.360 And that's because that's my experience as an individual.

03:01:30.980 Right?

03:01:31.060 Same here.

03:01:31.600 And so.

03:01:33.320 Same here.

03:01:33.940 I've been, I've been to Russia.

03:01:36.660 I've been through South America.

03:01:39.220 Yeah.

03:01:39.480 I've been all over Europe.

03:01:41.300 And, you know, I've traveled a lot of places.

03:01:45.160 I don't want to live in those places because it doesn't matter.

03:01:49.780 Like, if you're in, it doesn't matter what color you are in China.

03:01:52.820 The answer is no.

03:01:54.320 No.

03:01:54.760 Can you, can, can I, oh, can I, no, no, you're not allowed.

03:01:58.440 The glass ceiling.

03:01:59.600 Well, what they do actually in China is they create all these little avenues for people to feel like.

03:02:04.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:02:04.880 And they can complain.

03:02:05.400 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

03:02:05.880 And then they answer is.

03:02:07.380 Social media is doing it now.

03:02:08.640 Yeah, bro.

03:02:09.120 As we speak.

03:02:09.600 I realized that if I was in the favelas of Brazil, I'd be taken out.

03:02:15.120 I got homies, there's activists out there.

03:02:17.200 I understand how real it would be for me in other countries.

03:02:23.000 Right?

03:02:23.940 But, um, I don't want a piece of the American dream.

03:02:29.020 I want it all.

03:02:30.740 As every American should.

03:02:32.140 I don't want a piece of my civil liberties.

03:02:34.060 I want it all.

03:02:35.300 So when you tell me life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, I want everything that's on that fucking paper.

03:02:41.640 Me too.

03:02:41.980 And anybody or any system that stands in the way of that, we have a serious problem.

03:02:48.680 You know what I'm saying?

03:02:49.960 Like, that's what it has to be.

03:02:52.460 One of the other issues with that on a personal level is, like, a lot of people, you know, are about the pursuit of happiness.

03:03:03.080 But they forget to have happiness in the pursuit.

03:03:05.660 And it's important that while as we are all in our respective fights, that when we go back to our corner, we take a moment to be grateful for the fact that we have legs to stand on and fist to fight with.

03:03:15.320 And we have the freedom to fight still, bro, because we're losing that quick.

03:03:18.900 Yeah, that's a great point.

03:03:20.260 And that's the main driving reason why we, like, it's imperative at this point that we cannot afford, no community in this nation can afford to be at odds with each other.

03:03:33.960 And we have to start forging conversations to create actual change because the same systems that are fucking oppressing the African-American community or the indigenous people or whoever want everyone fucked.

03:03:47.420 If there's a pyramid in this country, what's happening right now is they're trying to and drop everyone into the bottom level so it won't matter anymore.

03:03:57.600 And that's what it means to be in a communist country and be dependent on the state and, you know, I mean, I could go off forever and ever.

03:04:06.180 You're right.

03:04:06.860 You're right, bro.

03:04:07.440 I am, I just, you know, we have been in this situation before, right?

03:04:17.200 A lot of people might say, like, why is he so hyper-focused on just, like, you know, not true, but there's a lot of people laughing in.

03:04:25.500 It takes hyper-focused people.

03:04:27.380 Exactly, right?

03:04:28.300 So it's like, I just don't want us to get lost in that collective force, sauce.

03:04:35.600 We talk about the Democratic Party and we talk about Biden and these folks.

03:04:40.600 When it was this Haitian, the Asian-Asian hate thing, 50 million, boom, no problem, right?

03:04:48.320 When we had the, when they botched the extraction over in what country was that?

03:04:53.640 Afghanistan, right?

03:04:55.100 Oh, let's give aid to them.

03:04:57.240 Let's give, let's give money to them.

03:04:59.440 That's fucking insane.

03:05:00.220 Right?

03:05:00.640 Yeah.

03:05:00.780 But I'm still sitting here like.

03:05:02.720 I get it.

03:05:04.000 Well, that's the problem.

03:05:05.060 That's a, that's the issue with like, so when, when Trump said America first, white Americans heard us, black Americans did not hear them being included in it.

03:05:17.320 And that's what a lot of people on the conservative about don't understand.

03:05:20.380 His slogan even, make America great again, I feel like stings the black community because they hear the again.

03:05:27.240 Why couldn't it just be make America great?

03:05:29.340 Yeah.

03:05:29.780 I think Trump would have done better with make America great.

03:05:31.980 Yeah.

03:05:32.380 You know what I'm saying?

03:05:33.080 Absolutely.

03:05:33.620 So, you know, and obviously.

03:05:35.660 Yeah, bro.

03:05:36.100 And you gotta, you gotta read through the media bullshit about that, dude.

03:05:38.580 I know you do.

03:05:39.520 You know what I'm saying?

03:05:40.520 I think, um, not, I have a lot of reasons to dislike Donald Trump, right?

03:05:46.060 But, um, he could be a lot of things, but stupid is one thing he's not, right?

03:05:51.320 You had the Democrats, you had the Republicans, you had everybody against him and he figured out how to win the presidency.

03:05:58.920 You know what I mean?

03:06:00.000 Without stealing it.

03:06:01.280 Just saying.

03:06:01.720 Just saying.

03:06:06.100 Just saying.

03:06:07.180 Listen, let me tell you something.

03:06:08.380 No matter how, he's running against Hillary, like.

03:06:11.300 Yeah.

03:06:12.040 Well, hey, let me tell you how smart.

03:06:14.200 Let me tell you how fucking.

03:06:15.160 They queuing up for a rematch, bro.

03:06:16.360 Let me tell you how fucking smart these motherfuckers are.

03:06:19.780 They still want her to run again.

03:06:21.700 They think, dude, that is the best they got.

03:06:23.800 That is the best they got.

03:06:25.160 That is not the best we have in America, bro.

03:06:27.140 So, oh, that's another conversation.

03:06:31.000 It takes 600 acres to create a city in America.

03:06:33.080 Yeah.

03:06:33.540 We just need to pull some money in.

03:06:35.200 But that's it.

03:06:35.740 But this is the thing is like one of the, one of the fucking acres, a real issue.

03:06:41.180 Like, that's the big issue is that nobody really wants to talk about is that.

03:06:45.560 Why are these the people that we have to choose from?

03:06:48.240 That's it.

03:06:49.180 Yeah.

03:06:49.580 Because they're part of the fucking club and we ain't and we got to take the club back.

03:06:53.920 That's it.

03:06:54.540 Yeah.

03:06:54.800 Same club with Donald Trump and all these other motherfuckers are members.

03:06:59.560 Like, like, like, you know, Bush.

03:07:01.760 You talking about Mar-a-Lago?

03:07:02.640 Bush 2.

03:07:03.600 Nah.

03:07:04.680 Bush 2 was the worst thing ever, right?

03:07:07.120 Everybody hated Bush 2.

03:07:08.540 Oh, yeah.

03:07:09.620 And Obama came in and was like, oh, Bush 2 is the worst thing in America.

03:07:14.440 And now Bush 2 and Michelle Obama are best buddies.

03:07:18.800 Every time they're in public.

03:07:20.000 That's because that's establishment politics.

03:07:21.740 They were already, their families were already cool anyway.

03:07:26.280 It was all theatrics.

03:07:27.420 Yeah.

03:07:28.060 And like, dude, here's the great thing about the internet.

03:07:30.620 As much as I, because I hate technology, bro.

03:07:32.480 I fucking hate it.

03:07:33.940 I come from the school of doing business, the brick and mortar way, shaking hands, talking

03:07:37.640 to people.

03:07:38.440 I hate technology.

03:07:39.880 Fucking hate it.

03:07:41.120 They use that against us.

03:07:44.520 But the great thing about it is it's allowed us to see the fucking truth.

03:07:47.420 Amen.

03:07:48.680 Amen.

03:07:49.120 And now these motherfuckers don't know what to do because there's a massive amount of

03:07:53.740 people that are seeing what we're talking about.

03:07:56.100 A massive.

03:07:57.460 And new blood's coming, dude.

03:07:58.940 Mm-hmm.

03:07:59.380 New blood.

03:07:59.840 And I don't mean that in a threat.

03:08:00.920 I mean that new leadership is coming.

03:08:03.240 That's true.

03:08:03.620 The younger generation of leadership, we're coming, motherfuckers.

03:08:06.460 That's it.

03:08:06.980 We're coming.

03:08:07.620 That's it.

03:08:08.400 So.

03:08:08.940 Knock you in your head and kick you out of that throne.

03:08:10.620 That's how it has to be.

03:08:11.960 Hey, whatever the fuck it takes, man.

03:08:13.420 That's how it has to be.

03:08:14.480 So, dude, we usually do this thing, final thoughts, but I think we've been doing three

03:08:19.260 hours.

03:08:19.720 We're good.

03:08:20.460 All right?

03:08:21.180 We probably pushed 315.

03:08:22.600 Yeah.

03:08:23.080 Well, we got.

03:08:23.700 Yeah.

03:08:24.200 So, bro, Tommy, appreciate you coming out on the show, man.

03:08:27.940 Thanks for having me.

03:08:28.300 Contributed a lot.

03:08:29.280 Sorry that we talked over you a little bit.

03:08:31.260 It's okay.

03:08:32.900 I love you, bro.

03:08:33.900 I love you, too.

03:08:34.680 Yeah.

03:08:35.020 Listen.

03:08:35.700 We're just getting passionate.

03:08:37.300 No, listen.

03:08:39.480 Listen, bro.

03:08:40.160 I'm grateful to be among greatness.

03:08:42.220 Well, that's mutual.

03:08:43.660 You know what I mean?

03:08:43.960 And I mean that.

03:08:44.640 I mean that.

03:08:45.380 That's mutual.

03:08:45.920 I mean that.

03:08:46.280 I appreciate it.

03:08:46.620 You know what I mean?

03:08:47.040 Mutual.

03:08:47.460 Yeah.

03:08:48.320 That's mutual for everybody in the room.

03:08:50.000 Except DJ.

03:08:55.020 No, I'm actually really happy, Ock, because, you know, Andy and I talk about this.

03:08:58.700 Like, there's a lot.

03:09:00.740 There's just a lot you just won't.

03:09:02.460 These conversations don't happen.

03:09:03.540 Like, this conversation we just had hadn't fucking happened in two years.

03:09:07.500 Ever.

03:09:08.100 And I've actually personally, just being sitting there next to you, hearing what you, like,

03:09:12.580 I've taken a lot away from that.

03:09:14.420 Yeah.

03:09:14.660 A lot.

03:09:15.100 And I appreciate you.

03:09:16.640 Me too.

03:09:16.980 I fucking applaud you for coming down here, man, and doing this, because I think it's necessary.

03:09:21.380 And I think a lot of our listeners are going to appreciate that.

03:09:24.040 I agree 100%, bro.

03:09:27.480 100% respect, dude, for making that trip.

03:09:29.560 Not only is it inconvenient, I know you're a busy man, you have a lot going on, but to

03:09:34.500 sit down with people that don't look the same and maybe not say the same shit all the time

03:09:38.580 and come to some sort of a, like, base where we can work from.

03:09:42.220 We haven't fucking tore up the room yet.

03:09:43.280 Yeah.

03:09:43.520 No, no.

03:09:44.140 Listen, bro, it's all lies.

03:09:45.820 Yeah.

03:09:46.100 We don't fuck.

03:09:46.660 I don't have hate in my heart, and neither does he.

03:09:48.400 I can tell.

03:09:49.100 Right.

03:09:49.320 He's angry.

03:09:50.620 And the communities that you represent, that you're speaking of, have a right to be fucking

03:09:55.760 angry.

03:09:56.360 Right on.

03:09:57.000 And I think most people understand that.

03:09:58.720 Yeah.

03:09:58.880 So, I appreciate you coming down, dude, sharing some fire, sharing some love, and speaking

03:10:04.480 some truth to what's going on.

03:10:07.080 These are the kind of things that are going to fix what's happening.

03:10:10.080 We need more of this.

03:10:11.380 Yeah.

03:10:12.240 I just want to say, you know, it's a blessing coming down here, you know, kicking it with

03:10:17.960 y'all, hanging out.

03:10:21.900 I think that conversations like this will bring truths to the forefront.

03:10:28.020 Yeah.

03:10:28.200 No matter what we're doing, we should seek truth.

03:10:32.800 And no matter how we feel, we should look at the core of the other person's pain.

03:10:41.720 You understand?

03:10:42.720 Yeah.

03:10:42.840 Like, instead of discounting what somebody believes just because you might not believe

03:10:47.640 it.

03:10:47.760 Like, look to the core of their pain.

03:10:49.520 Like, look for solutions.

03:10:51.760 Look for solutions.

03:10:52.940 Not for strife.

03:10:53.800 And, you know, just do the fucking right thing.

03:10:58.720 That's it.

03:10:59.120 Do the fucking right thing.

03:11:00.840 That's it.

03:11:01.320 That really is it.

03:11:02.460 Like, the wrong thing is cool now.

03:11:04.600 Right?

03:11:05.100 Like, being a horrible person or a jerk or whatever is like the cool, like, let's just do the

03:11:10.400 right thing.

03:11:11.320 And I think we'll be good.

03:11:12.980 But I appreciate this opportunity to come on here and talk.

03:11:16.900 And...

03:11:17.300 Won't be the last time.

03:11:18.140 Right on.

03:11:18.660 No, it was good.

03:11:20.160 We got Tattoo Boy over here.

03:11:21.540 We got DJ over there.

03:11:22.660 I think you meant to say multi-platinum, internationally successful.

03:11:35.500 No, man.

03:11:36.580 But see, this is it, right?

03:11:37.660 You know what I love about this is that we've been able to do this and still have the last.

03:11:41.240 Yeah.

03:11:41.760 You know what I'm saying?

03:11:42.380 People have forgotten how to fucking have conversations that might be a little bit uncomfortable and

03:11:46.620 still love each other enough to laugh about it.

03:11:48.720 You know what I'm saying?

03:11:49.880 I appreciate you, bro.

03:11:51.180 That's the healing, bro.

03:11:52.020 Healing is in the laughter, too.

03:11:54.120 Yeah, yeah.

03:11:55.580 So, thanks for making the trip, bro.

03:11:57.280 Appreciate y'all.

03:11:58.020 All right.

03:11:58.560 That's the show, guys.

03:11:59.800 You know what to do.

03:12:00.720 Went from sleeping on the floor.

03:12:02.880 Now my jewelry box froze.

03:12:04.600 Fuck a bowl.

03:12:05.380 Fuck a stove.

03:12:06.240 Counted millions in the cold.

03:12:07.920 Bad bitch.

03:12:08.740 Booted swole.

03:12:09.580 Got her on bankroll.

03:12:11.220 Can't fold.

03:12:12.100 Doesn't know.

03:12:12.900 Headshot.

03:12:13.740 Case closed.

REAL AF with Andy Frisella - January 17, 2022

216. Moving Towards The American Dream Ft. NYC BLM Leader Hawk Newsome & Tommy Vext

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