478. Prerequisites For Success Ft. Tim Grover
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1 hour and 33 minutes
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195.1572
Summary
In this episode of The Realists, we have a full length episode with a special guest, Tim Grover. Tim is a man of many talents, but he's not your average guest. He's a non-binary guest, and that's a good thing.
Transcript
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What is up guys, it's Andy Priscilla and this is the show for the realists, say goodbye
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So if we do good, if it's good value, which I promise you today, you will find some great
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We have a couple of guests and one of them happens to be my brother.
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And then, no, our super special guest is the man sitting to your left, Mr. Tim Grover.
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Anytime I get a chance to come see both of you, come to this wonderful facility, sit in
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this amazing studio and listen, educate myself, get to voice my opinions.
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You know what you're educating me on right now?
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Wearing fucking suits, like getting back into that era, man.
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I don't mind the suit-wearing thing on a daily basis.
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Like, motherfuckers wearing sweatpants, like a onesie, like a matching sweatpants.
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Like, bro, some of y'all dress like fucking toddlers.
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You're wearing matching sweatpants, the same color shirt, and a fucking fanny pack like
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My dad treated us like twins, even though we weren't twins.
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So, like, my dad would buy us the same outfits, and these were not like-
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You don't understand, but Gap was the shit back then.
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So we would go through, and there'd be, like, the pile of sweatpants, and there'd be, like,
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And he'd buy fucking three pairs of red pants for Sal, three pairs for me, and three red
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And, bro, we were running around like fucking Ooppa Loopas, dude, all the time, man.
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It's a, it's a, men dressing like men is important.
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And now you got motherfuckers running around wearing balloons on their feet.
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Have you seen the, have you seen, have you guys seen that?
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There's some new boots that are apparently pretty famous.
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I mean, Dennis Rodman did wear dresses and made it popular before it was popular in 2023.
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Well, going, you know, on the dress thing, for me, it's, it's a statement.
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You know, every individual in here, in this room, they work hard.
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They take care of their, they take care of their bodies.
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They sacrifice, they sacrifice in overindulging in things.
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And I like to be able to go in my closet and not have a section that says, yeah, not too
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I can go in there and wear anything I want to wear and feel good about it and feel comfortable
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That comes from the high standards you have physically, too, though.
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And you know, listen, everything that goes on in here.
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Like, when I was, when I was fucking fat and like, I would have to wear like the same
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I remember, because it's been seven years since I really started getting, getting my shit together.
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And I used to stand in front of the mirror and like, like, try to look as like, like I was
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trying to suck in, like, like, and I'd be like, oh, you know, this makes me look less
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fat or this, this makes me look better than that.
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And I had to have this like internal debate on what's going to look okay.
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Now it's, now it's like, dude, I just go in and grab some stuff.
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If you think about it, if you want to start your day off, no, I'm assuming everyone gets
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I don't know anymore these days, but when you do put on clothes to literally to go in
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and say, Hey, not, not that can only be grab anything out of the closet, wear what you
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You know, I fly all the time and you see people when that, when they fly and I'm like, what
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And everyone says, you know, why do you, why do you dress up?
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No, you're buying, you want to travel the way you want to travel because to you, that's
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what everybody says to everybody's doing and to look that way.
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This is, this is who, this is who, this is who I am.
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And when I come in here, I feel like I'm representing not only first form, not only real AF and for
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me to show up in differently than I would to any other place.
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And it would be disrespectful to the individuals in this room.
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You know, I feel, I feel guilty here because you, safe to say you've taught me a lot of
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You said it's safe to say that everybody gets dressed in the morning.
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And I tell you, you're doing it incorrectly, but you should be trying to get undressed
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That's assuming you're wearing anything at all when you go to sleep.
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That's why I get dressed in the, that's why I get dressed, that's why I say I get dressed
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If you ain't dressed, you ain't got to get undressed, you know what I'm saying?
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What's the median age, what's the median age in this room?
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Well, I mean, right now it's probably like fucking 70.
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Trust me, when you get to that age, the time when you sleep and how often you have to get
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up to use the bathroom, if anything you'll remember from this podcast, 20 years from
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now, you're going to be like, fucking Grover was right.
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I think, I think, you know, to your point, dude, a lot of people.
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They don't know, like, like, before I really got serious about, you know, getting, getting
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And now I hover in the same, you know, 12 pound range, which really doesn't change my
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Like my suits pretty much fit the same, whether I'm at the top of that or at the bottom of
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And so it's, but before that, bro, I didn't realize that like, all your clothes are comfortable
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You know, that's something most people have never been, so they don't realize that.
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They don't, they don't realize what a luxury it is to be able to walk in and put a suit
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on and then fly on an airplane and still be comfortable.
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Because when I was fat, it was like, oh shit, dude, when did I have this suit?
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Like, oh, I got it 30 pounds ago and I'd have to wear, I'd have to wear the, dude, I went
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to many weddings and many formal events with like a piece of elastic strung between the,
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the, the clip that clips your suit pants and, and the, and the actual clip part.
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And so I would put a piece of elastic in there and you, you would never really be able to
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That just shows when individuals, Andrew, by sharing that, that just shows you're just
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You have the same issues that everybody else had, everybody else had you, but you were able
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It's, it is, it is a battle just because listen, the fat gene is in all of us.
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Which, which is, which is easy, which is easy to, which is easy to do.
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And we've all, everybody in this room at some point chose easy over winning.
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But most people, once they get to easy, they stay at easy.
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Like, dude, most people choose easy over winning many times a day.
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That's because they don't start the day off with a win.
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I used to be a guy who was not really like a morning routine.
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People, like people used to ask me, they'd be like, what's your morning routine?
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Like you and I agree on this, you know, like I don't give a fuck what I got to go through
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But then I actually started like keeping myself to a routine, just my own routine.
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And dude, it's a huge deal to start off with a win.
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Like my first thing that I like to do when I wake up is I started listening to a little
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I don't know if you have listened to him, but I don't listen to the podcast because I don't
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have time, but I've seen a couple of clips where he's talking about like early, early morning
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So like what I like to do is get out and do cardio right away, like as quickly as possible.
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And where I was doing my cardio afternoon and I was lifting in the morning, I've now switched
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where I'm doing my cardio first thing and just getting out and moving and getting that
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sun in my eyes, bro, when I'm done with that, I feel like I have all the momentum in the world
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already going, you know, and that's something that like I didn't need before, but it sure
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Well, when you talk about, when you talk about, you know, routines and so forth, I say there's
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two different types of routines and both routines create comfort.
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There's routine that creates comfort out of boredom, meaning you do the same thing every
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And it doesn't advance, it doesn't advance you and it keeps you in the same place.
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So it puts you, it's out of boredom and puts you in comfort, all right?
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Then there's a routine out of skill, you know, your workout, your sunlight, all right?
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And what that does, that also creates comfort because you do it over and over and over and
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That's, you know, it's just like when you work with an athlete or you work with an individual
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You said, you know, I don't know how many episodes of this podcast that you've done all
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together, but you said it took me 150 before I finally got this thing right.
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I said, I think I was 149, but see what I'm trying to say is that routine over and over
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and over again, all right, through skill created the comfort for you to be at this level, not
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It's a weird, it's a weird thing to try to explain to someone that, cause they, you
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Like it's like, when I try it, when I try to explain this to people, I try to talk to
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them in terms of like getting in a cold swimming pool, right?
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Like most people never really acclimate to the cold plunge.
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I'm talking about just like, you know, it's in the summertime, dude.
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And you look around and, you know, everybody's like looking at you like, fuck.
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And then three, four minutes later, you're like, I don't even notice it.
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And that's, that's what happens when you start to, and that no matter what you choose, no
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matter if you choose the easy way, that's going to lead you to losing.
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But if you put in just a little bit of time, like a little bit of time, and when I'm talking
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about a little bit of time, I don't mean a day.
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In the big scheme of things, getting uncomfortable, you will eventually find yourself in a state
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of comfort in this thing that you think is uncomfortable now, which will actually produce an entire
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And you'll be just as comfortable as you are doing nothing.
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And that's, that's like the hard thing to get people to understand is like, once you're
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acclimated, it's, it's the baseline of it is automatic, right?
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Like the true champions, and you know this way better than me, but like the true champions,
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And then they try to push, push, push, push, push, always, always pushing.
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Which keeps them at a much higher level than most people just by breathing.
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And most people will never put in the time to let themselves become comfortable with the
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What you just said, it's about the time they want things now.
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They're like, you know, you're, you come in and they're like, you know, give me a six
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That's just, that's, that's just a prerequisite.
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We give you a six week, but we give you a six week program.
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We give you whatever, but that's just a pre, that's just a prerequisite.
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You know, when people talk about this and you know, everybody in this room is gone, is
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And when we talk about different levels of winning, I talk about, you know, what's the
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When I had, when people come up to me, man, I'll do, I'll do anything until I tell them
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Or I asked them what their definition of all in and people come in and just say, you know,
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That's the price of admission to the entry level version of success.
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Well, we talk about this with our team, Andrew, you know, it takes 42 days of development
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of habit to even start to see the progress of success, whether it's in a weight loss journey,
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whether it's in success journey, and it's not making the list harder and harder.
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So if you're doing your five things, like my five things every day, I have to work out.
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I have to prioritize those things, not half in, not half out.
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No, because if you don't prioritize them, it's not happening.
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And it's on the front side of the bell curve, you know, those, and I don't have to add more
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I have to prioritize the things that get me moving in the right direction.
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And I have to use the power of compounding interest, which is daily.
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I have to stay disciplined to the process daily to get myself into a point where I can
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And it's going to take, it takes 40 days, takes 50 days.
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But what you find after that 42 days, what happens after that?
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And I think that's the piece of, you know, getting comfortable, being uncomfortable, right?
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It's just development, the discipline, and what happens when you break it.
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Now you're uncomfortable because you broke the habit, break the routine.
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I think part of the problem is too, man, is like we always heard growing up that 21 days
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for a new habit, 21 days for a new habit, 21 days, that might be true.
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And there is, but that 21 days is not like, that's not the habit is you now.
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But everybody, listen, what we forget to do is we forget to consistently work on our foundation.
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You know, those are your principles that you said, hey, this is what I do.
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So if anything else doesn't work, because anything else is not controllable, you control
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those things because the rest of the things that are going to happen in the day are uncontrollable.
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If your foundation is strong, your foundation is solid, it's something that you do every
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You can't control the uncontrollable, but what it makes the uncontrollable easier to manage
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because you always have this, you have this foundation that's, this is my principles.
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This is, this is what, this is what, this is what I do.
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But what happens is you didn't start with five.
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Everybody talks about, it's like when you had the new year's resolution come in or you
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had the workout system come in, everybody says, okay, they've been, and you talk about
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this, Andrew, all the time at the beginning of the year, you haven't worked out all, you
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You've been eating, you've been eating like shit, you've been drinking, you've been doing
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And then all of a sudden a date on a calendar switches and you says, I'm going to go work
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And if you did build a foundation, you built too much, you put too much weight on that
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Hey, this is what I'm, this is what I'm going to do.
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Then you add number two and you add number three.
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After you know the foundation could handle the first thing, then it can handle the second
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When you were talking about the, the building, the foundation, another thing too, that I could add
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to that because I, I agree with everything that you're saying.
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The, the other part of that is that when you like so many people feel so uncertain and so
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Like they feel like even successful people and dude, I know that you've probably dealt with
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They feel like their world can be crushed at any given moment, right?
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Like something could happen and it can, things do happen.
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Like, you know, sometimes your world can collapse all at once, but by building this foundation,
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you're creating a scenario where you are consistently doing these things that other people are not
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And because other people are not doing it and because this is a competition when it comes
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to terms of success, what you're doing by continuing to build on this foundation is you're actually
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creating security for your success because the uncontrollable things that come in, if your foundation
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is strong, those things are not going to likely crush you.
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And even if they do crush you and you're, and let's just say you lose your business, you
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If you continue to operate on that standard where you're, where you're building the space
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every day and continue to push, you're going to be right back where you were before you
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know it because the momentum never really slows down.
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And this is why I'm such a big proponent of looking at it as, you know, a daily, a daily
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You know, this is not so I, I feel like so many people misunderstand.
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Understand and overcomplicate how the, cause dude winning is really fucking simple.
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And we overcomplicate it by looking at it as like over the course of our life, you know,
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it's kind of like that saying, if you take care of the pennies, the dollars take care
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Well, if you take care of the days and you win the days, your, your life's going to look
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And so if we could just get people to understand, that's how it really works.
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Because before, before I had ever done anything of significance, which I still don't feel like
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I've done that much significant stuff, but like, dude, you know, we, we've done some
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Like, I always thought there was more magic to it.
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And there was more like, there were secrets that people weren't telling me.
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Like, like it can't just be do your shit today and then do your shit tomorrow and then do
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And if you do those things and you keep doing those things, your life is going to turn out
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Like, it can't be that except here I am on the other side of that thinking.
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And I'm telling you, that's exactly what it is.
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And so many people have a hard time understanding that in the beginning because winning and, and,
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and being a champion, cause like, dude, let's, let's, let's be real.
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Like you guys like me and you and you, and we, we don't, we don't exist for, for getting
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by like, like you have to be someone who has a mindset of dominating or kicking ass or winning
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at a high level to really get our content anyway.
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And so when we really break this down and we think about how it really works, you know,
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the reason it's so confusing to most people is because they never get to meet a real champion
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Like you're surrounded by these people all the time.
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Like I don't even have conversations with people that aren't doing that.
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Like everybody I know, everybody I personally text with, you know, they're either a cleaner
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They're on their way to being a cleaner, right?
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And so we, we're so immersed in it now that it's like obvious.
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It's like, oh, okay, well this makes perfect sense.
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But you know, it's hard to get someone who's never been around it at all, or never even known
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Cause I remember dude, like when, like, remember, like, dude, we didn't grow up around fucking
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Like, like we grew up around like working class electricians and construction people.
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And so like, you know, I used to be mystified when I would see like, um, somebody that had
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like, like when our buddy had that, uh, that Mosler, remember?
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And they had these exotic cars and this crazy shit.
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And then, but the reality is, is it's not crazy at all.
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It's just very simple formula that you have to repeat every single day.
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So you brought up two interesting, interesting points that I want to.
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Like, I wish I could just inject people with like some reality of that.
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Well, you have, but people aren't, people aren't that, that, that injection hurts.
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So here's the thing that you said, people are, you know, they're looking that, you know,
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they're looking for their wins, but what they forget that winning is looking back at them.
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Winning's looking at you and wants to make you blink, wants to make you turn into a different
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It's like literally a face off in an MMA fight or boxing where they're going back, they're
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And like winning, winning knows exactly what you're doing, what you're looking at.
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It wants to force you in a different direction because it wants to see how, how worthy you
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And the other thing that I want to talk about is when you talked about having that, having
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that foundation and when things do crumble, it's, it's, you can get, you can get back.
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And I always talk about, I always like to give real examples.
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So I like to give perfect examples before you actually, you didn't set it up for, for seven
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years, I was just bullshitting around and so forth.
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Then, then it got, then I got really, really serious.
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If you would have tore your shoulder up back then, it would have ruined my life.
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If you, if whatever you were just recently going through, imagine that if you didn't
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build the seven years of the foundation and things and people think, oh, I won't say things
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crumbled for you, but they got extremely difficult.
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But those seven years of constantly building that foundation, stacking that win every single
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day, stare, stare, staring it down, doing something that was honest, doing something
00:30:30.000
When that shoulder hits you and that other element hits you, like you said, if it was back
00:30:38.860
And guys, you, you guys just so you understand, Tim and I talk about this personally, like this
00:30:44.680
is, he knows about this whole scenario and everything we've talked about, but dude, you, you, I
00:30:56.420
So for those of you who don't know, I, I totally destroyed my shoulder.
00:31:05.820
I had surgery in December of 21 and it's been an entire, it took me an entire year to really
00:31:12.900
And during that time you asked like, what would have happened?
00:31:18.360
Because I was in the best shape I'd ever been when I got hurt.
00:31:23.180
I'm probably by the end of this round of 75 hard, I will have surpassed that in my opinion.
00:31:45.480
You're one of the, you're one of the two men I'll take some direction from.
00:31:50.000
So anyway, motherfuckers, I'm going to be more jacked and tan than you ever fucking saw
00:31:58.200
But what would have happened, bro, is I would have 100%.
00:32:05.380
He would have been at Billy G's, which is a local bar.
00:32:09.900
How much, how much weight do you think I would have put on?
00:32:15.540
I would have say you go from, you go from 270 to 320.
00:32:20.140
I wouldn't be full 350 Andy, but I'd be 315, 320.
00:32:24.020
And I'd be walking around being like, oh, you know, I'll just hurt my shoulder.
00:32:30.720
You'd be able to throw football over the mountain.
00:32:32.460
But the whole, the real win for me, the real win, dude, was that like, so I, the surgeon
00:32:43.440
He's like, look, it's a, this is a nine month surgery for a pro athlete.
00:32:46.560
So my goal was like, okay, I train like a pro athlete.
00:32:56.640
You remember the conversation we had when you caught, when you, when you said way harder
00:33:01.860
I said, I said, yeah, this is not, I knew his man.
00:33:06.680
Well, I was trying to do it in like five months.
00:33:09.500
And when I told him, I said, I said, Andrew, I said, listen, I don't want to, I don't want
00:33:13.880
to discourage you, but I know what you're going through.
00:33:17.440
There was silence on the phone and this motherfucker hung up the phone on me.
00:33:32.580
And, and, but that's, that's a product of the six years before that.
00:33:37.140
Because the truth is, dude, I would have given up.
00:33:41.140
And, and I don't even talk about how hard it really was.
00:33:44.460
Like, like what I say on Instagram, I almost feel like I'm annoying people with the story.
00:33:48.920
But like, if I really told people what I went through from when I had that injury till
00:33:53.540
today, like it was a constant barrage of fucking bullshit.
00:34:03.060
Then like, dude, it's been thing after thing after thing.
00:34:05.580
And the true win of it, bro, is that here I am, I'm fucking probably not even 10 pounds
00:34:15.260
And, uh, you know, I'm not 330 fucking pounds, you know?
00:34:21.220
That's a, that's a life win for me because at my age, that would, that would have changed
00:34:26.760
And you have to continue to earn that win just because you've gotten that first, just
00:34:33.060
Now, you know, the win that you had to lose all the weight, that was a win.
00:34:38.000
The win after you tore your shoulder up and to come back, that's another win.
00:34:47.300
And then coming back, coming again from, uh, from this, from this blood infection.
00:34:51.560
Now, what I'm trying to say is the same way he won, losing the weight is not going to
00:34:57.100
He's going to win from being a hundred percent back from the shoulder, being a hundred percent
00:35:02.820
You have to continue to figure out different ways to win, but that foundation never, never
00:35:17.180
They want it comfortably and they want it safely.
00:35:24.680
It's, it's, it's, it's, it's not, it's not possible.
00:35:27.600
You cannot have anything quickly, comfortably and safely.
00:35:34.320
The quick way is to understand what you just said and accept that.
00:35:37.340
Now you're on the quick path because now you've accepted that there is no quick way.
00:35:42.380
And the actual only way is actually pretty quick too.
00:35:46.880
You can do it pretty quick in the relative scheme of your entire life.
00:35:50.580
But the reason it's not happening quick for you is because you think there's a quicker
00:35:54.720
And the reason you think there's a quicker way is because people will market that shit
00:36:04.520
Seven, seven pounds of muscle in three days of taking this prop.
00:36:07.380
Like, bro, all of these, all of this stuff, you know, millionaire in 12 days, like, you
00:36:14.180
know, all this crazy shit, like people have been conditioned to believe that, you know,
00:36:20.500
And then when it doesn't work that way for them, because that's not the way it works,
00:36:27.180
Do they blame the people who told them these lies?
00:36:32.920
And they say, well, I guess I don't have what it takes to lose weight.
00:36:35.960
Or I don't get, I guess I don't have what it takes to be successful.
00:36:39.280
Or I guess I don't have what it takes to be a good athlete or whatever it is.
00:36:44.900
So we blame ourselves and we continue to look for the quick solution because these marketers
00:36:49.820
fucking understand that that's how humans think.
00:36:59.420
You can't get success comfortably being comfortable.
00:37:05.640
You can't get, you can't get success being, being easy.
00:37:15.040
Winds do not come from being, from being comfortable.
00:37:27.480
I'm just saying quick in terms of like, like, yeah, it's not 21 days, bro, but it's not
00:37:38.840
I mean, you could change your fucking life, bro.
00:37:40.840
Like, like, like we see it every day with 75 hard.
00:37:50.780
But after that, there's a lot of work to do too.
00:38:01.300
You are, it's safe from safe, meaning you got to go outside.
00:38:07.100
No, that's not, that's not, that's not part of the, that's not part of the program.
00:38:11.540
I don't want to do the second workout, ah, ah, outside.
00:38:14.440
And the one thing I get so upset, said about, and you've said this over and over and over
00:38:21.580
And this is why, one of the reasons people fail, because they're not understanding.
00:38:42.740
I believe that's what I've called it the whole time.
00:38:46.960
The whole, but for some reason, everybody just like.
00:38:51.800
You have to have the mental before the physical is real.
00:38:55.260
The physical byproducts of those 75 days are just a byproduct of your execution.
00:38:59.840
Just like Nick Saban comes out in the fucking football field and says, motherfuckers, you're
00:39:03.800
running this play until you can't get it wrong.
00:39:06.200
We're not running it until we get it right a couple of times.
00:39:10.940
When you fucking take your mentality that seriously, and you put the time into it, and you do these
00:39:16.800
habits, and you execute on a day-by-day-by-day basis, now you're in a position to where the
00:39:24.180
I just did an Andy Graham blog about this this morning.
00:39:26.900
I was talking about how champions focus on the execution of the play to perfection, understanding
00:39:35.240
that the score and the money and the shit that comes with it is automatic result of this.
00:39:40.120
And players, people who play, they think that the score, the money, is the point of the
00:39:48.300
The point of the game is perfect execution over here.
00:39:52.880
And it's the same mentality with entrepreneurs, dude.
00:39:56.560
Entrepreneurs think, like, dude, I mean, you speak as much as anybody.
00:40:00.780
You know what they say when you say, hey, what's the purpose of a business?
00:40:10.120
The purpose of the business is to serve the customer.
00:40:13.220
And the better that you serve the customer, the more consistent that you execute the play
00:40:19.120
That means taking care of their interests genuinely, solving their fucking problems,
00:40:27.980
And like, dude, this is just a perspective change that if most people would just understand.
00:40:33.480
The reason some of these people that like you, like I used to be one of these people.
00:40:40.000
Like Jerry Bond, who walks around here looking like a freaking G.I. Joe character 24 hours a day.
00:40:46.680
Like, why can he live his life normal and look like that?
00:40:59.780
And those things, because he was willing to put in enough time being uncomfortable, are
00:41:06.700
And so he gets to walk around looking like G.I. Joe because he put the time in to be
00:41:10.940
comfortable with some habits that I didn't have.
00:41:17.140
They look at people who are winning and they say, fuck that guy.
00:41:20.400
Well, bro, if you would just remove your emotions and your self-pity for a minute and actually
00:41:24.400
look at the motherfucker winning, you would find out how to win too.
00:41:30.140
You could change your whole life by changing what you put in your fucking brain and what
00:41:36.600
But I think there's some interesting things to unpack there because, you know, this is
00:41:41.420
They think to themselves, well, I don't have that.
00:42:03.520
You know how absurd it is that I get paid all kinds of money to go tell people this?
00:42:13.020
But you have to think, you know, like, you know, people are like, oh, you're so real.
00:42:16.380
I'm like, I'm just telling you the fucking truth, dude.
00:42:19.760
But you wish it was some shiny package program.
00:42:23.780
You know, and you have to look at when you look at the deliverable.
00:42:26.440
You know, if you focus on being the best, the byproduct of that is whatever the money.
00:42:31.800
We were talking to this in my office about, you know, everybody focuses on making money.
00:42:41.760
It's the weight loss, the money, the score to basketball game, getting up, getting to be an all-star, getting in the hall of fame.
00:42:50.140
Whatever it is that you're trying to do, you have to execute in the finite, in the small things, daily, day after day after day after day.
00:42:58.200
And you have to learn to fall in love with the process.
00:43:00.140
Understanding that falling in love with the process is the key to success.
00:43:03.880
Well, and dude, you have to understand too, like something that you understand just because of your experience, I understand because of my experience, is the real fun, the real fucking fun, is the process.
00:43:16.920
Like people think it's the result because you haven't experienced it yet.
00:43:19.600
But just like you guys get a new pair of shoes and after a fucking week, it ain't cool anymore, that's the same thing for all the shit that you admire that you think is going to fix all your fucking problems.
00:43:33.740
And that's, we focus so obsessively on the end result, which is great because it produces the journey.
00:43:40.860
But in reality, the journey is the fucking jam, dude.
00:43:43.720
I think that's where a lot of the letdown is though, right?
00:43:52.880
Yeah, but like, dude, there was a time a few years ago, and you know this because you're my brother, and you know this because you're one of the only guys I actually talk to and listen to.
00:44:02.720
But like where I got, like there was a part of me, and I think I'm saying this to be transparent, so I hope some of you will listen and maybe not do what I did.
00:44:12.580
But like, it was so hard to get where we were trying to go, and I was so obsessively focused on the result that I forgot a little bit about the journey, right?
00:44:26.520
And now I look back at some of those times, like now today when I come in, I try to make it a point to enjoy the people around and like to have conversations and like get to know like what's going on.
00:44:40.520
That was, but like for a long time, dude, I was, it was so fucking hard that like I just didn't carry it by anything but producing a result.
00:44:47.140
And like now I look back at that time, and I'm like, fuck, that was some of the most fun shit we ever did.
00:44:53.140
So what, what win happened in your life for you to look at things this way now?
00:45:07.740
Dude, it was a, there was a point in time a couple years ago in this where I realized, and this is going to sound fucked up a little bit, but it's the truth.
00:45:20.380
I realized that I couldn't literally show anything of my life, any point of it, not my house, not in my house, not here, not in my garage, not anywhere without people interpreting it as a fucking brag.
00:45:34.140
Like, and I was like, damn, like when you could point a fucking camera at anything in your life and it's fucking, people see it as bragging, you're fucking, you're, you're fucking doing something, dude.
00:45:48.340
And then I thought about it and I'm like, well, if I knew I was going to be here and I was going to be at this point in time where, you know, it's undeniable, like it's undeniable.
00:45:59.420
If I would have known that I was going to be there, I would have appreciated the ride a little bit more.
00:46:04.400
And, and I would have appreciated a lot more, but it's cool.
00:46:07.520
It's also cool because now I realize it and I get to appreciate what we're doing now in a different way.
00:46:12.760
And so there's pluses and minuses because part of me thinks like it was necessary.
00:46:17.800
Part of me is like, bro, I was like required to be that way to get to the, it's like, it's like how you talk about, you know, how, how you talk about how Michael was right.
00:46:26.180
Like when, when he was like, he was so fucking, he didn't give a fuck about anything other than just that.
00:46:31.200
And like, so like when you, this is why I love your book so much because it helps me understand a part of my life.
00:46:37.960
And like, dude, when, when, um, you know, in the, in the last dance when he got emotional,
00:46:43.880
because like he realized that like some of his teammates fucking actually still didn't really like him.
00:46:49.720
When in reality, his whole fucking intent of his being was to make them better.
00:46:55.500
And like, I really resonated with that, bro, because like just over the course of time, you know, there's employees that come and go and there's, you know, I always feel bad when they don't make it because I feel responsible for them.
00:47:08.000
And I have to let, let go and realize like, dude, I'm not responsible for everybody's decisions, but it's still fucking hard.
00:47:14.240
And it's hard when you're, when you're, when you hold a high standard for people like he did, and then they fucking hate you for it.
00:47:22.260
And all you're trying to do is fucking help them.
00:47:26.380
They might hate you for that moment, but that's what they're going to, right.
00:47:30.180
They're going to love, they're going to love you long-term.
00:47:32.160
Like I tell those people in Arte, I tell, I tell, I talk about that on the show too.
00:47:35.940
You know, I'm okay with someone hating me today to thank me five years from now for saying the truth to them.
00:47:42.100
So it's funny when we wrote Relentless, when Sherry and I wrote Relentless, we had so many people that came up to us and said, that book changed my life.
00:47:55.400
That booked, that booked, that booked, say, that book saved me.
00:48:00.340
Remember we met, we met at the first 10X we met at Cardone's event.
00:48:10.620
And before, I think you recognized me before I recognized you.
00:48:14.780
Because I had been posting your book on my social and we've been driving some sales.
00:48:19.000
And I remember you looked over and you go, Andy?
00:48:20.920
And I'm like, holy shit, dude, that's Tim Grover.
00:48:27.160
Because dude, that real book, and I've told you this.
00:48:29.520
Like what I tell you about the book, I told you I wouldn't sell it ever, no matter how much money.
00:48:34.080
Not a single one of you motherfuckers out there could buy that book from me for any amount of money because it saved my fucking life.
00:48:45.880
And then when after winning came in, I mean after Relentless, Relentless was about the mindset.
00:48:53.400
And then when you guys talked about the journey, winning, if you've read Relentless, you have to read Winning.
00:48:59.200
Because Relentless is the mindset, winning is about the journey and what you're going to see, feel, taste along the journey.
00:49:11.020
You know, we talk, you guys talk a lot about the journey.
00:49:13.520
And one of the chapters that we talk about all the time that, you know, everyone talks about, it's, you know, it's not a sprint.
00:49:24.960
I said, it's, it's multiple sprints within a marathon that has no finish line because the only way, when you, Utah guys talk about the journey and all that other stuff.
00:49:36.960
So you get that journey, you go through the journey, and there has to be joy in that journey.
00:49:50.800
But to get that feeling again, the sprint starts all over again.
00:50:02.040
So that, that, that, that joy is infinite and that line continues to move all the time.
00:50:11.040
We talked about, we talked about this, or we talked about this earlier.
00:50:32.040
A sprint within a marathon with no finish line.
00:50:37.780
And the more, the, the, the, the, the line, the finish line just keeps moving, moving, and moving.
00:50:44.500
And as much doubt that you guys have, you have infinite amount of fear that pushes you towards those things.
00:50:55.780
There's a constant war that's going on in your head.
00:50:59.740
And if that war was to stop, you guys would be dead.
00:51:06.980
You guys would, you guys would literally be dead.
00:51:09.360
That's that, that's that war of that challenge to do more, not only for yourselves.
00:51:18.020
Now it's about, what can I do for everyone else?
00:51:30.020
But you have to trade one addiction for another.
00:51:32.200
You don't go from being 330 or wherever you were when you first, first going to be in that photo that you have where you're letting you, where you literally got a six pack and you got the veins sticking out of you.
00:51:49.020
So you have to trade comfort for being uncomfortable at time.
00:51:59.700
You have to trade thinking you have time, understanding your time is limited.
00:52:12.660
Can I ask you guys this, because it's almost like there's a piece of awareness that I think people are missing then, right?
00:52:20.740
Like when you, when you, when you talk about like addictions, right?
00:52:22.880
There's a high and you ask somebody who does drugs.
00:52:25.340
Why do you get, why, why, why do you take drugs the first time?
00:52:32.200
Like you got, I think people need to understand the practicality of what Tim's talking about here.
00:52:35.960
Because this is how, dude, the reason that you see so many people have a little bit of success and then fail is because they don't understand what he just described.
00:52:48.280
They, they, they, they take that first sprint and they run it.
00:52:51.460
And then they're like, well, fuck, I'm successful.
00:52:53.300
And then they create their identity as a successful human.
00:52:58.080
And don't realize you got another 60 years, bro.
00:53:03.660
But that's the, the, the winning only lasts for so long and it's so quick and it's there and it's over and it's a new thing.
00:53:13.340
So I'm going to cut you off for a quick second here.
00:53:15.380
So I, and I like the, I like to use real examples of the people that I'm taught, that I'm talking about.
00:53:34.980
We didn't have any, we didn't have any plans for the next one at that time.
00:53:38.740
We thought this was going to take like five years to fill up.
00:53:46.080
It actually took about, it actually took about a year.
00:53:49.900
So now one building, if you would have said this is success and this is it.
00:53:56.120
But I, I, that's where the point I was going is the buy-in.
00:54:03.140
Well, that's why it's, that's why it's live hard.
00:54:05.300
Well, my point being is like the people, the people get to the destination and say, well,
00:54:12.020
Well, that's why I get so pissed off when I see people go right back to their old shit.
00:54:15.880
The first fucking second they get an opportunity to.
00:54:20.860
And the reason it didn't stick, by the way, is because you weren't doing the shit the
00:54:25.740
That, that, that I am now, are there exceptions?
00:54:32.920
Cause they're like, well, I did everything and I celebrated.
00:54:42.480
And so sometimes it takes the first time going like, I can understand that.
00:54:47.480
But what I'm saying is in general, when you've made a ton of positive momentum in your
00:54:53.320
life and you go right back to the thing that created the old way, you're, you're, you're
00:54:59.440
If you really made the positive way, you should be trying to replicate that.
00:55:01.800
Well, and I, and I want to highlight a couple of things here because, you know, you talk
00:55:05.020
about, you know, you get paid a lot to do these things.
00:55:07.280
You're, you're, you're, you're teaching them perspective.
00:55:11.800
And I think about like, well, you know, it's not on our responsibility, but the coaches
00:55:16.060
you remember the most and the coaches you care about the most, the coaches that
00:55:18.920
taught you the most were also the most, you were the most accountable to.
00:55:23.860
So those are the ones that you hated the most of the times, right?
00:55:30.920
You motherfucked them to and from practice, but they're the ones that taught you the most
00:55:35.220
So it's part of our obligation as that generation of coaching, right?
00:55:39.440
We coach young people, ideally in a young audience where a young business person or an entrepreneur,
00:55:48.040
I think that's the purpose of being the leader.
00:55:50.400
And then the secondary, secondary thing is the perspective piece.
00:55:53.560
Like, you know, there's a perspective to understanding your point of, Hey, my life
00:55:58.340
looks like this, but I forgot about the journey.
00:56:03.560
You coach to saying, Hey, you need, you need to appreciate the ride.
00:56:08.500
And the things that I missed when I hit fast forward, where I didn't, you know, I weren't
00:56:11.820
taking inventory of the things that were closest to my life.
00:56:13.800
And those, those are, those are journey pieces.
00:56:16.160
And this is the struggle that we have as, uh, as leadership now, you know, you're speaking
00:56:19.640
to a 20 year old or 25 year old, they want to hit the fast forward button.
00:56:23.880
It's like, but in miss the fucking one of the, some of the most fun shit, you miss everything.
00:56:28.000
You know, some of the most fun shit in our business journey was me and Chris in the
00:56:31.740
back of that first fucking store, which I, at the time I fucking hated.
00:56:38.020
But it's a story that you hold that nobody else holds.
00:56:40.580
It's kind of like me driving around the country.
00:56:42.060
I was, you know, last week when we were on the thing, it's like, it's a story that I,
00:56:49.300
You know, so the intangible, the intangible assets, which are the ones that build you into
00:56:52.940
the character that you are today, the work is done in the dark when it's not sexy,
00:57:02.740
And so when you learn to fall in love with that dark work, you're going to start to build
00:57:06.620
the moments that really define who you are as a human.
00:57:11.180
It's a weird, it's a weird love process because you're by yourself.
00:57:14.880
You're not really proud of it, but it's the work that's got to be done in order to be
00:57:20.600
I asked people this, and maybe you guys have heard this or, or read this already.
00:57:42.900
So if a new day and new beginning starts in the dark, when you're in your darkest moment,
00:57:49.300
when you're sitting in the back of the, when you're sitting in the back of the store,
00:57:52.240
all right, when you're, whatever you're, whatever you're dealing with, that's where your new
00:58:01.980
That in the dark, that's where all your new beginnings start.
00:58:06.360
If a new day starts there, that's where your new beginnings start.
00:58:09.720
But you don't realize that until so many, how many years later?
00:58:14.440
Well, you've, you got to stop fucking feeling sorry for yourself.
00:58:17.940
You got to stop saying, oh, you know, I didn't, I, it wasn't, life wasn't fair to me.
00:58:27.720
So that you're going to waste your whole fucking life because some other motherfucker
00:58:33.800
Some, at some point you got to stop telling people about your hopes and dreams and you
00:58:38.300
got to start telling them about your decisions and actions.
00:58:45.840
I think, I think most people could do themselves a massive service by just being completely
00:58:54.380
honest with the amount of effort they're giving.
00:58:57.040
No one wants to have an honest conversation with themselves.
00:59:01.420
They, they always tell you, you know, winning requires honesty.
00:59:07.280
It requires you to look in that mirror and that when that mirror is looking back at you,
00:59:11.260
it requires you to see things that you're not willing to see because people look in
00:59:16.100
Boy, I tell you, you get some different lighting up in those things, boy, you, you can, you
00:59:21.620
I was in a hotel the, uh, I was in the bathroom.
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I did not take a, I did not take a picture, but I was like.
00:59:31.420
But you know, it's, there's a lot of, there's a lot of illusions in there that, that, that
00:59:38.340
we're not, we're not, that we're not aware of that, that we, that we, that we fall, we
00:59:48.520
It's understanding, it's understanding that focus.
00:59:51.420
It's understanding what, what, what it's going to take.
00:59:55.180
And then once you understanding actually going to do it and winning requires you, everyone
01:00:02.140
wants to add stuff at Andy, how'd you get in physically and mentally in the best condition
01:00:11.260
you were ever in, and you're going to take that to another level.
01:00:21.360
The reason you enjoy so much more of the journey and you, you can see here and you, this different
01:00:28.440
Hell, you want to, you went, when was the last time you went on a vacation before this
01:00:39.460
So Sal, I talked to Sal on probably what, Wednesday?
01:00:43.120
I got there on Monday and I, I almost came home because it was very uncomfortable.
01:00:48.340
I have to, next time I have to go for like, probably like two full weeks, um, to eat.
01:00:56.120
It was very, it was, but it wasn't, you know what I'm saying?
01:00:59.900
And that's crazy for, for him, his new win was the complete is what everybody's
01:01:21.300
I was having major, like major, like, I mean, you could fucking ask Emily about it.
01:01:25.460
Like the whole time it was, it was not a, uh, it was not a mentally comfortable thing
01:01:33.660
Like maybe the last day I, I, and I think the reason I felt better was because I knew
01:01:38.720
I was going home and it wasn't that I didn't enjoy the trip.
01:01:45.880
You know, it was just, I'm well, it's uncomfortable.
01:01:52.740
Like, and if it made me realize it did make me, and that's where the eyeopening part of
01:01:57.920
it was for me was like, I realized like, bro, you need to like do a couple of things.
01:02:03.140
Cause like, you know, I, like, you know, with Kobe, right?
01:02:07.920
Like I, I look at Kobe and I'm like, fuck dude, this, here's a dude when he passed away
01:02:13.040
or roughly the exact same age who worked his whole life, worked hard his whole life.
01:02:18.460
And I know, I know what he was telling him and you, you, you know, you, you, you probably
01:02:22.920
really know this, but I already know in his head, he was probably telling himself, all
01:02:28.420
Now I'm going to, I'm going to start balancing out the other way.
01:02:37.440
So Sherry said, Sherry said, Hey, look at, uh, look at Andy's post.
01:02:49.620
She goes, no, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's on vacation.
01:02:53.540
You have no idea how proud I was of you that day.
01:02:58.060
And I wasn't going to call you or text you because I was like, no, this is not the time.
01:03:02.460
I said, when I get a chance to see him, I'm going to say, Andy, you have no idea in your
01:03:06.720
overall growth of a human, as a person, as a role model, as an example, how of a major
01:03:16.480
step that this, this was, this was as uncomfortable as it was, as comfortable as it was, uncomfortable.
01:03:29.000
No, you, I almost came back, but you did, but you, but you did, you did.
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When people go through live hard, you know, in 75 days, you know, you almost may have
01:03:48.200
You have almost may have not done the second workout, but you did.
01:03:58.300
You know, I, I, I'm going to start, I made a new rule where at least once a quarter, I'm
01:04:03.360
At this point in my life, that's realistic for me.
01:04:11.700
Listen, you know, listen, we're, we're in a room with there's minimal BS.
01:04:17.340
If, if, if none at all, you know, with how many times do I call you all the time and
01:04:23.200
I see DJ sneaking, sneaking out of here, or I'm just about to talk about him.
01:04:28.060
When I talk about him when he's not here, we all do.
01:04:32.140
When, when, when I, how, how often do I call, call or text you to make sure you're on his
01:04:38.700
Enough to get him on, to, to get him down 70 pounds, 70 pounds.
01:04:44.660
He's down about 70 pounds since we started with him.
01:04:48.840
And I'm all, I know, because you know why I said, he is a reflection of your standards.
01:04:56.860
Like you text me that you, you, you, I fucking went and showed him a text and said, Hey, look,
01:05:09.960
You know, that, that's what, that's what it is.
01:05:11.880
So what he did was he understood, he thought he raised his level of winning.
01:05:20.140
And the problem, a lot of the issues that we have is your level of winning is so much
01:05:28.360
My level of winning, Sal's level, Sal's levels of winning.
01:05:32.560
People automatically say those things are not obtainable.
01:05:42.040
We were all in the spot at the same, at the same point.
01:05:44.840
But our, for us to get that, to get that high, that only winning can give us, they, it's
01:05:56.240
a different level of a win, but it wasn't at some point it was here.
01:05:59.860
And then we always start back with a new win at the base level.
01:06:05.900
I want to give people that there's no superheroes in here.
01:06:20.740
Winning is always what winning is watching you.
01:06:22.940
It's knowing if you're telling the truth, it's no, if you, if you're, if you're lying, it does.
01:06:28.440
And all winning wants to do is to find somebody else.
01:06:30.940
Winning's job is to, it's one and only job is not to let you win.
01:06:35.700
But it's not, it's not, and I said, man, it's easy.
01:06:40.600
It's not supposed, it's not supposed to be, it's not supposed to be easy.
01:06:44.800
You're going to have to deal with, you're going to have to deal that when you start, when it
01:06:49.160
hit, and I like to use the, you know, the parallel now of live hard and winning.
01:06:58.120
And the reason you call it a mental toughness program, because what happens is before you
01:07:06.700
can start in to live hard and start to win, before you can start, before you get in that
01:07:13.160
race and start chasing what's on the other end, you better deal with what's chasing you
01:07:21.220
Winning wants you to require and deal with what's chasing you first, because you're running
01:07:27.520
from something that you need to deal with and you need to stop, have a conversation with
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You need to understand that it's a part of you.
01:07:51.000
It's a part of who you need to, who you need to be with and take that part with you
01:08:07.340
You take that, you will end up on the other side of winning every single time.
01:08:13.920
You will end up with a success of live hard every single time.
01:08:19.700
How much of your, how much do you think that people who choose not to go on the journey,
01:08:33.620
How many of those people do you think choose to not go as the way that they could go because
01:08:43.740
of their dark side and what they're afraid of they have done in the past or who they are
01:08:50.320
or the shit that people are going to find out about them or all the shit.
01:08:53.540
Like how many of the players do you think that keeps on the fucking bench?
01:09:01.920
I think people have, I think society has gotten so fucking like virtue signal washed and, and
01:09:08.920
like the appearance because of social media has to be so perfect and squeaky clean that
01:09:14.940
every single person out there, like not every single, there's people that don't give a fuck.
01:09:19.040
They're like, yeah, I'm fucking who the fuck I am.
01:09:24.560
Most people know that they've done some shit in the past, or they have a little secret
01:09:29.220
here or there, and they're afraid that if they go and people know them, that they're
01:09:33.380
going to find out and their life's going to be ruined, bro.
01:09:37.480
If you don't fucking go, your life's going to be ruined.
01:09:42.420
And every single person that you look at out there, who's successful, that you admire,
01:09:46.920
that you think like, fuck dude, that would be a cool life to have.
01:09:52.440
I promise you, whatever dark side secrets that you have about yourself, they're very
01:10:03.600
So you can't let those things and those insecurities keep you on the bench, right?
01:10:10.880
You have to let those things, like what Tim's saying is, bro, you have to accept yourself
01:10:15.760
That doesn't mean be a piece of shit, but that means to understand that you're a human
01:10:20.460
being and that you have these things about you and those things will actually fuel you
01:10:27.860
And the reason they fuel you is because it's like removing a massive weight.
01:10:36.740
Some of my favorite people, dude, are people who have really like gone through some shit.
01:10:40.340
And I have a couple of close friends who, uh, have gone to prison before.
01:10:45.780
And so they understand, you know, going through hard shit.
01:10:53.460
And, and, and, and, and I, I've had to talk to both of these people that I'm thinking about,
01:10:57.920
about like them understanding that that should be a lesson that they serve up to other people
01:11:05.800
about how to not end up there instead of something to hide and be afraid of and something to be ashamed
01:11:16.060
Like you have to allow these things to be and figure out how they're going to serve you
01:11:24.520
And so many people, because we have this, um, society that pretends to be perfect or pretends
01:11:31.280
to be polished when in reality, everybody's got bullshit below the surface, everybody,
01:11:41.360
It makes, it makes regular people with, with amazing potential and amazing, uh, potential
01:11:52.200
I think it's fucking super damaging because how many people are afraid to get in the fucking
01:11:58.160
game and contribute what they could contribute because they've got a story of some sort.
01:12:05.220
I think there's a lot of things in humanity that are suppressed that, that could be out
01:12:12.500
If people would just like realize like, Hey, uh, of course you have some secrets or you have
01:12:22.980
And what I do, listen, where people go, when you open up, when you get up and I'm going
01:12:30.520
back to, back to the morning routine about putting on, putting on your clothes, you choose
01:12:40.400
Every single morning while you're choosing your clothes, your, your choice after that should
01:12:46.780
You get to choose your thoughts every single, every single, every single morning.
01:12:51.740
You get to choose, you get to choose your thoughts.
01:12:53.800
Now, when you get other people start choosing your thoughts, now you're in a complete, now
01:13:02.120
And then after you do that, when you, everybody in here, I'm assuming you keep your clothes
01:13:11.680
So where do people always want to put their skeletons in a closet?
01:13:15.820
You open up that closet and you get to choose your clothes.
01:13:19.980
Your skeletons are sitting right there looking at you.
01:13:29.540
That's it right there because not a single individual in this room right now, if you want
01:13:33.380
to win, if I took your skeletal system away, what would happen?
01:13:43.580
Your skeletons are the ones that, man, in the journey, in that journey to those wins
01:13:55.860
They're the ones that you can have, they're the ones that can have conversations with.
01:13:59.340
They're the individuals I sit down with and open up a bottle of tequila and have a conversation,
01:14:08.240
Because they know me better than anybody else and they're nonjudgmental.
01:14:14.180
Yeah, we were there fucking with you when you did that.
01:14:23.380
And I, I mean, for, for me, like when what I, it's consequently, the thing I'm most insecure
01:14:27.960
about is my physicality, my body, which is kind of funny, right?
01:14:32.540
But when I realized that my insecurity was also my story and also my strength to be able
01:14:39.040
to communicate to other individuals, it became my superpower because I tell people all the
01:14:46.200
Bro, not only that, you battle it every single day.
01:14:56.700
But I mean, you have to learn to embrace that because there's a story behind that.
01:14:59.960
Well, that will encourage and inspire and help other people through that journey.
01:15:02.620
And I think when you can learn to embody your struggle as a part of your success, it becomes
01:15:09.180
It's a, it's a language that nobody else speaks except the people that struggle with the same
01:15:13.280
thing that you do, which allows you to speak to them, you know?
01:15:16.180
And that's the part, like you're, you're holding all this shit back, but the truth of the
01:15:19.060
matter is that's where all the success fucking lies.
01:15:21.760
So one thing I understand better than anything, bro, not only that.
01:15:29.000
Let them say what the fuck they're going to say, bro.
01:15:37.800
There are people who'd be like, oh, you know, how do you guys help people lose weight?
01:15:44.820
Do you think a lot of it is also people giving them the, giving themselves, I guess,
01:15:50.180
Like you got to understand like that, like that is who you were.
01:15:57.060
I think that's a fucking super important point because people are going to hear it.
01:16:07.820
It's also important to recognize that those things that you are not proud of are also the
01:16:14.440
things that have gotten you to a point where you recognize that you're not proud of those
01:16:28.640
They also remind you what you're capable of doing and why you should be careful and why
01:16:33.800
you should work to move to be better consistently.
01:16:36.940
Because if you were capable then, you're likely capable now if you change your behavior and
01:16:46.800
Like, they like to say, like, you know, you guys, most of you guys have seen the pictures
01:16:51.280
of when I was big and fat as fuck and when I'm in shape.
01:16:58.080
It wasn't just a, just a thing you getting out of, getting out of bed, rolling out, sitting
01:17:01.880
at that, sitting at the edge of the bed and everything.
01:17:18.260
People see that and they don't like, they like to say to me, they like to say, well, bro,
01:17:28.200
You want to see motherfucker put on some hundred pounds where I do it faster than anybody.
01:17:33.180
And like, dude, that's, that's the thing that you got to remember when you look at the
01:17:38.100
shit that you've done in the past that you're not proud of, that makes you feel guilty
01:17:41.980
You have to accept, okay, that these have served you, right?
01:17:45.720
We talked about this on the episode we did with Lewis.
01:17:47.980
Um, where you have to accept that these things, you need to forgive yourself for these things
01:17:54.920
and accept that this is what's got you on a new course of behavior.
01:17:57.900
But you also need to remember that you could very easily be that again, if you don't fucking
01:18:08.140
They also serve in ways that like people don't even talk about.
01:18:15.820
Like when you can figure out, when you can figure out, um, you know, this is, this is
01:18:22.040
one of the most amazing motivators, actually, when you can figure out how you've disrespected
01:18:26.300
yourself, you want to, you want to fucking, you want to get on a quick path to fucking
01:18:30.820
be in real grid and a lot of shit in your life, figure out all the ways you've been
01:18:34.500
disrespecting yourself and get pissed about it.
01:18:38.920
You know, it's just, you get, obviously you get way many more comments on your social
01:18:50.040
Well, I'm talking about all your, all your, uh, out of volume media.
01:18:58.620
I'm like, somebody actually took the time out of their day to say something negative about
01:19:05.220
something they, I read your comments and I think your comments that you get are negative
01:19:11.740
Because, because it's people like you're there.
01:19:14.640
It's usually on the relentless book that people make comments about because it's so
01:19:19.280
far above their level of fucking understanding what winning is about that they can't comprehend
01:19:26.020
Like, and I'm like, I read a couple of negative comments one time on your shit and I'm like,
01:19:33.020
Like they, like, but we talked about this today.
01:19:35.540
I was talking about, you know, not everybody was raised with a dad like we had, right?
01:19:40.480
This is the power of information that, you know, and so we, you mean a dad that made us
01:19:45.420
I mean, Hey, took us to Sam's, taught us some values and along the way we were listening
01:19:48.940
to Zig Ziglar, but I mean, there's a lot of truth to it, you know, that open your mindset
01:19:53.340
to winning thing, you know, the, the viewpoint, the perspective, you know, saying that you
01:19:58.800
can do all these things in life that you want, as long as you're willing to work for
01:20:03.260
If you can dream it, you can do it, but you're gonna have to work for it.
01:20:05.980
He hits his head when negative thoughts come in, thought of dad, you know, I will literally
01:20:10.360
I literally like, I will, if I'm walking and somebody's behind me, you're going to bump
01:20:14.300
into me because if I have something to come, I will literally stop him and keep, push the
01:20:21.240
And you know, that relentless attitude, that mindset, that's, that's foreign to some people.
01:20:25.460
You know, if you have two parents who have never won and don't aspire to win and couldn't
01:20:29.820
care about winning, it's probably a foreign fucking language for that person to try to
01:20:34.860
So it's hard, you know, to digest that somebody can't, how do you not understand the simple
01:20:45.180
I mean, I understand why people don't understand it, but like the level at which some people
01:20:52.500
You want, listen, like I'm far away from that fucking line of thinking.
01:20:56.080
And so it's just like, you know, no, I could understand why when you look at it, you would
01:20:59.960
I just, I just, I just laugh, you know, and I tell them if you don't, if you had a hard
01:21:04.940
time understanding relentless, you have no shot at winning.
01:21:11.300
It's, it is such a higher, it's just a higher level thought process that you have, that you
01:21:16.020
are, you, you're not, you're not, you're not, you're not real though, dude, real shit.
01:21:19.060
Like I, cause I, I just read and you know this, I just read relentless and winning back to
01:21:29.880
I started, uh, at the end of November, I got 51 days in, uh, and I got a, I got a blood
01:21:35.820
infection that really fucked me up and it took me like five weeks to get over.
01:21:40.300
Um, and the first post was, I can no longer continue.
01:21:48.060
I remember your post said, listen, I can, I can no longer continue.
01:21:53.780
Yeah, that's that, but there, there, there was nothing I could do about it, but no, but
01:21:57.880
I'm just saying, you're saying that, Hey, even shit even happens to me.
01:22:03.180
Even though I was on, that wasn't a fucking hangnail.
01:22:07.580
I was like, I was on a journey to this win that I've, that I've, this destination that
01:22:19.960
Uh, I read your books back to back at the beginning of that round.
01:22:25.000
So, so basically in December, the end of November, most of December, I was reading both the books
01:22:33.180
and what I can tell, cause I've read relentless, I think probably four, four or five times front
01:22:43.680
I read parts of it, but I hadn't read it front to back.
01:22:49.480
And I can tell you, and this is what's great about the, the both, this is both the books
01:22:57.920
What's great about them is that we're, when you're at a different point on the journey,
01:23:02.760
it will, they will mean different things to you.
01:23:05.040
And so like when I read that book for the first time, way back when I first met you,
01:23:09.980
I don't remember what, what year that was, but like that, it meant something to me.
01:23:16.220
What I realized was, if you remember, I think I told you, I realized what it, what I got
01:23:22.200
out of it the first time was that I wasn't alone because I felt fucking crazy.
01:23:26.360
Like I felt like I was one of the only, I felt, cause dude, everybody, when you're, when
01:23:31.400
you're, when you're a highly competitive, highly driven person, bro, everybody around
01:23:36.440
Everybody around you tells you that you're obsessed.
01:23:46.140
And all that advice is wrong, by the way, just so you know, it's very, very fucking wrong.
01:23:50.980
But I was at a point in my life where I was 10 plus years into my, into retail.
01:23:56.020
We had just started first form when I read relentless and what it taught me because I
01:24:01.100
was fucking in a bad place mentally because I'm relentlessly being told all of the things
01:24:07.180
I just said by everybody I know they're like, bro, you're fucking crazy.
01:24:10.860
And so that after a while, when every single person around you is saying that there's something
01:24:27.980
And, and, and, uh, I read the book relentless and I was like, fuck dude.
01:24:33.660
There's a whole bunch of people out here like this that are, that are like this.
01:24:37.880
And, and, but then when I read, you know, I've read it a number of times across the journey
01:24:41.700
and now what it reminds me of is different than what it taught me the first time.
01:24:49.260
It's almost like a, like where I'm at now versus then, which is a drastic difference in,
01:24:54.860
you know, the 10 years, I guess, or so since I first read it to now.
01:25:00.540
But now what I remember, it's almost like a checklist now.
01:25:03.580
It's almost like, like I'm reading it and I'm like, yes, I'm, I'm seeing it that way.
01:25:07.500
This is, this is, this validates what I feel over here.
01:25:12.340
So it's like, it's, you understand what I'm saying?
01:25:15.840
Like what I think is cool because like most books don't have that value, um, where they
01:25:22.540
can totally teach you completely different things depending on where you are.
01:25:25.500
You know, if you read a lot of books, you know, like there's certain books, right?
01:25:36.580
I've probably read that book five or six times over the course of the last, uh,
01:25:40.220
you know, it's a great book, but when I read it, it's still the same book and Seth
01:25:46.660
Godin's brilliant, but when, and this is no disrespect to him, I think he's one of
01:25:51.940
But when I read it, it's, it's still a marketing book and it's still like just reminding me
01:26:00.620
And what I love about your books, dude, is that they truly do mean different things at
01:26:08.440
I recommend that if you're starting 75 hard, I think starting with relentless and winning
01:26:14.660
back to back is a great place to start with your reading.
01:26:18.720
Um, the first time I read relentless, it was a little bit confusing cause I didn't, I could
01:26:23.780
see why people don't, some people don't connect with it because it's, it's, you have to think
01:26:29.220
when you're reading it, you have to like think and people aren't used to thinking right now.
01:26:33.340
But exactly, you know what we used to get people all the time, the, the negative comments
01:26:47.460
And I think, I really think bro, like, and I mean this shit, I think I don't, I mean,
01:26:52.260
I've read fuck, I don't know, thousands of books in my life.
01:26:58.200
I, I, I think your books will go down in history as two of the most important books.
01:27:03.340
It's for people truly understanding not only the process of winning, but themselves on
01:27:19.380
And that's, that's not, you know, I've read a lot of good books, bro, but like, and I
01:27:25.000
I read over and over again because I know there's one or two, because dude, you know, winners
01:27:31.400
When I, when I, when I read a book, I'm not reading it for the book.
01:27:35.760
I'm reading it for that one paragraph or that one sentence that out of the, you know, 250,
01:27:44.620
300 pages that, you know, I'm going to read, I'm going to get one thing out of it.
01:27:51.140
You know, people, people who win from what my experience champion people, these people
01:27:58.020
look at information and value it differently than what people do who don't win, you know,
01:28:03.040
like, like people, people who don't win, we'll read a whole book and they'll say, well,
01:28:08.140
Well, bro, there's, there's really not a book on this fucking planet that you can't read
01:28:14.180
You know, and, and, and what I think makes your books unique and what I value about them
01:28:18.800
the most is that literally every part of the book, if you, if you actually use your brain
01:28:26.040
and think like you're supposed to, will, will mean real shit to you.
01:28:32.980
And it will mean real shit in a different way every single time.
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With relentless, relentless, it makes you form a partnership with your decisions and
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Winning makes you form a partnership with your actions and your success.
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And you need all four, and you need all four, you need, you need all four.
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DJ, before when we were out, when you stepped out, uh, whatever you, whatever you, I was.
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You also flicked me off before we even started.
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I've been like, listen, dude, this is like, he's a reflect.
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I said, I, you know, I, I see one individual getting the results and I see the other one
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But he's told me where you, he's told me where you, where you, now your job, job,
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You still got a long, you still got a long way to go.
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And we'll stay on, you know, I'll please do those great people in your life.
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Well, Hey brother, look, man, um, I really appreciate you coming in on the show, sitting
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Uh, you know, you're doing, I hope you realize the impact that you're making on people, especially
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in today's day and age where like, they're trying to demoralize population and make people
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think that winning doesn't matter and everything's beautiful and it's just going to be fun.
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Like what you're about and what you do is desperately needed in society.
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And so I hope you realize that like what you're doing, I believe will, I don't think people
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will, I don't think people realize the impact of what you're doing right now.
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I don't even think that they might even understand it the whole time you're alive.
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I think, but I do think that people are going to remember you for being one of the key figures
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during a time where everybody was being told that winning was bad, actually helping reverse
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And I think that's something that, you know, I think about that a lot and I'm sure you
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probably feel sometimes like, and you know, I don't, I don't know, you may not feel this
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way, but like for me, I feel sometimes like nothing, none of the shit that I'm doing really
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matters, but like for me to you, I'm telling you, dude, it fucking matters.
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If it wasn't for your shit, I wouldn't do the shit that I do.
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And I see all these motherfuckers that get, I get to, that's one of the best things about
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what we do here at first form 75 hard, the transformation content.
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Like, dude, I get to be blasted with people changing their lives.
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And that's one of the things I'm most grateful for in my life is because like, dude, if I
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And, uh, but like, dude, if it wasn't for you, that shit would, that you're a part of
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And what I've always told you guys, I'm very, I say this to very few individuals and both
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of you, both of you, both of you know this, you know, Sal, Andrew have always said this
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And thanks for everything else that you do for us and for everybody else, man.
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Like I, you deserve a lot more credit than what you get.
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It's, it's, it's great to be in a room and be able to share content with other people
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that believe in greatness, that believe in winning, that believe in the relentless,
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that believe in the relentless mindset, not only believe it, but actually live it, experience