REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 568. America First Ft. Vivek Ramaswamy

00:00:00.000 What is up guys, it's Andy Fursella and this is the show for the realest, say goodbye to

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00:00:25.700 You guys today, we have an awesome show for you. It would normally be CTI, but we have

00:00:31.020 a special, special edition of, we'll call it CTI, okay? You'll find out in a second. As

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00:00:45.440 We have a special guest here today, Mr. Vivek Ramaswamy. What's up man?

00:00:51.600 How you doing man? Good to see you.

00:00:52.400 It's good to see you too. Thanks for coming through.

00:00:53.840 I love that slogan. By the way, pay the fee, don't be a hoe, share the show.

00:00:58.160 That's what it is. I like that. It lands.

00:01:02.000 But not so there wasn't a tagline of the show. I said, that's the fucking tagline.

00:01:05.340 It's a hashtag. Listen, the people, we all love the people here. The people love it.

00:01:11.420 We ain't got hoes here. No hoes over here. We're good.

00:01:15.640 As I mentioned guys, we're going to do something a little bit different today and I'll let DJ

00:01:21.520 kind of bring this up. But before we get into that, I just want to say, man, I really appreciate

00:01:28.140 you coming on the show. I think what you're doing is very important. I like the fact and

00:01:33.880 how you're doing it. You're coming around to the podcast circuit. You're speaking to the

00:01:37.480 people directly. You're having hard conversations. And whether people agree or disagree, everybody

00:01:43.860 should respect that.

00:01:44.760 I think it's the best thing that I've seen from any politician. And I know you're not

00:01:50.640 a politician. You're an entrepreneur. But I think that's the way it's going to be from

00:01:56.200 now until the future. I think we're going to have to get out here. We're going to have

00:01:59.300 to talk with the real people and answer some real questions. And I'm looking forward to having

00:02:04.620 a good conversation with you, man.

00:02:06.060 I'm pretty excited about it. I think one of the things that's worked for me is if you get

00:02:09.640 too attached to saying that, first of all, I don't relish the idea of being in the White

00:02:14.180 House. It's something I volunteered to do. But if you start fetishizing and you attach

00:02:19.020 yourself to that, then you say, OK, well, what do I say to get there? I look at it the

00:02:23.200 other way. I'm going to tell the people in this country who I am and what I stand for.

00:02:27.040 And if they like me, they can vote for me. And if they don't, I'm fine with that.

00:02:30.260 They can go with somebody else as long as they know the truth. And I'm good with that.

00:02:33.220 Isn't that the point of political office? I mean, aren't we supposed to return to

00:02:39.440 an idea that is supposed to be of service? Right. Like you had a pretty nice life,

00:02:45.380 a very nice life. You've done some pretty nice things. You're a very financially successful man.

00:02:50.460 And just like the military, when you sacrifice to join the military and you give up certain

00:02:57.440 things in certain time periods of your life, that's what we're missing in politics as well.

00:03:01.800 And I think so. And I think so. And I think that I hope that many of the people who are working

00:03:07.540 in a government bureaucracy, that that also isn't what they're doing for the rest of their life.

00:03:11.760 Right. Part of why I want eight year term limits for anybody who works in the federal government,

00:03:16.240 not just the elected people, but even the people reporting into me.

00:03:19.420 Yeah. And so anyway, that's a different vision of a culture of what the relationship is between

00:03:24.500 citizens. There's a period of time when you serve. Great. Focus on service. Get the heck out.

00:03:30.420 Don't don't turn that into a career. Yeah.

00:03:32.680 Because that then becomes about turning service into self-interest. You want to do self-interest,

00:03:37.160 do it, do it as a capitalist. Yeah. Do it the way we were made to do it. So I think that there

00:03:40.500 are phases of life. I wasn't one of those people who served in the military when I graduated from

00:03:47.000 college. That just wasn't where my headspace was. My dad grew up not with a lot of money. My mom and

00:03:52.980 dad both working class family in Southwest Ohio. He went through layoffs at GE under Jack Welch's tenure.

00:03:59.860 So my headspace when I graduated was, tell me more about that Jack Welch guy. I'm kind of

00:04:06.160 interested in seeing whether I break outside of the mold that even my parents wanted me to just

00:04:11.120 focus on a stable career. The idea of being an entrepreneur was outside of the comfort zone for

00:04:17.060 what they had envisioned for me. But for me, that was where I wanted to make it. I've done that now.

00:04:21.800 Yeah. And now I'm in a different phase of my life to say, how do we create

00:04:25.040 the American dream that you've lived? I mean, you're a young person. You've succeeded at scale,

00:04:29.960 right? How do we make that story normal for the next generation? And I think it takes somebody who's

00:04:37.080 lived a life like you or I has to be able to say, we're going to go in for a short time. God knows I

00:04:41.600 don't want to do this for long, but we'll go do it for eight years, revive the country that we grew

00:04:46.320 up in, maybe one even greater than the one we grew up in, and then pass the torch on to somebody else.

00:04:50.880 That's the way I look at it. We are perfectly aligned in that idea. I believe 100% that we

00:04:57.200 need people who have actually accomplished things, who have done things outside political office

00:05:02.480 to lend their skill set, lend their time to the country, and it's time of need. And I think that

00:05:09.320 anybody who's watching you right now, if they're honest with themselves, that's refreshing, dude.

00:05:14.740 You know, whether they like everything that you say or they have, you know, theories about this or

00:05:19.940 that, the reality is, is we live in a country with a very fat, bloated, old, entitled government

00:05:27.800 where it's become the norm for people to go to office in order to get in on the inside deal or

00:05:35.160 to make personal wealth. And what we really need is some of these other guys out here say, you know,

00:05:39.980 at least starting to speak up, at least starting to get engaged, and not just, you know, sipping

00:05:44.440 their Mai Tais on their beachfront property, right? Like we could all be doing right now.

00:05:50.060 Yeah. I mean, that gets, you know, in a certain sense, that also for me, at least,

00:05:55.980 I got restless going through that period in my life. And then you bring two sons into this world,

00:06:00.920 it changes your perspective. There's more to life than the aimless passage of time.

00:06:07.660 For sure. It sounds like misery.

00:06:10.460 That's prison. And that prison could be in a beachfront mansion. That prison could be

00:06:14.740 in, you know, in a tough, lower income, working class neighborhood in the inner city.

00:06:20.340 Yeah.

00:06:21.200 It's almost like the circumstance doesn't actually matter. It's the mentality with which

00:06:25.120 you approach your purpose, at least for me. I don't need sleep when I'm guided by my sense of

00:06:31.440 purpose, right?

00:06:32.440 And I think that that's part of what our, how old are you again? You're about similar to me.

00:06:37.500 Yeah. So we're cut from similar, you know, age vintage. I think that people our age, especially

00:06:44.560 and younger are badly in need of a cause right now. Like we have no sense of purpose and direction

00:06:54.060 and meaning. I'm saying broadly as a generation, we have a chance to revive that. And I think much of

00:07:00.680 what I'm up against, or at least much of what I've been complaining about, let's put it this way,

00:07:04.080 over the last several years, wokeism, climate ideology, gender ideology, pick your favorite

00:07:11.000 poison.

00:07:11.680 Yeah.

00:07:12.940 It's a substitute for, you know, pick your other favorites, faith, patriotism, hard work,

00:07:19.400 family. When those things disappear, we need to latch onto something. And especially young people

00:07:26.240 we're, we're latching onto whatever served to us, not because we like what they're serving us,

00:07:31.040 but because we're desperate for something. And so I think there's an opportunity. And I only got

00:07:37.460 familiar with, you know, what you're doing. Yeah. For the last 10 minutes. Yeah. Right.

00:07:41.900 But, but, but there's a sense in which even your own self-worth reviving that self-confidence

00:07:48.220 through fitness, through hard work, through achieving something in the world that you create

00:07:53.400 that didn't exist before that can fill the vacuum for somebody else, belief in God, traditional

00:07:57.980 faith, belief in this country, that there is a nation built on ideals that I pledge allegiance

00:08:03.220 to that nation, that I have two parents and, and, or children, and I'm married, that that's a stable

00:08:08.900 family foundation that guides my purpose. Whatever it is, we're going to need, you know,

00:08:13.420 the way I'll say faith, family, self worth, patriotism, right? Pick two. Yeah. But it can't

00:08:23.340 be zero or else you're lost and you're going to latch onto something without realizing that

00:08:28.420 you're subscribing to a new religion. Yeah. And that's exactly what's happening in the

00:08:32.180 countries. People think they're not religious when in fact they've just adopted these deeply

00:08:36.260 religious convictions. Yeah. And that's the most dangerous kind of religion of all is when

00:08:41.180 you're subscribing to a religion, when you don't admit to yourself that you actually are. That's

00:08:44.780 what's going on in much of our modern culture in the United States. Yeah. I think, I think you're

00:08:50.140 hitting on a very, very important point that's going on with the culture. You know, when you and

00:08:56.000 I were growing up, we had those things, right? Like we had, we were taught, you know, pledge

00:09:01.740 allegiance. We were taught the American values. We were taught things like go out and win, go out

00:09:07.100 and build things. Yes. Be of service, be useful, right? Totally. And we, we absorb these things

00:09:13.120 and we created purpose. And, you know, you and I have both executed and, and I think, you know,

00:09:19.020 we've gotten a lot, we've gotten further in a short amount of time than a lot of people get in their

00:09:22.800 whole lives at that game. Yeah. But, you know, purpose changes and purpose shifts. And for, for me,

00:09:31.100 and I think for you too, obviously with what you're doing with your actions, you know, the idea

00:09:37.120 of leading by example has to run, it runs through me, dude. Like when I look at what's going on with

00:09:45.360 our, our, I would say lost generation right now, you know, it, it definitely comes down to a lack of

00:09:54.800 pride, a lack of identity as American culture. Um, and I think that's been intentionally

00:10:02.160 installed. I think that's something that's, yeah. I mean, I think, I think it goes so, so that I kind

00:10:08.380 of view it, I've read it like 90% similarly to that. I think there definitely is an intentional

00:10:14.580 installment agenda going on in this country often comes in acronyms. You know, my general views,

00:10:20.620 if it comes in acronym, be skeptical, ESG, CBDC, UN, SEC, what's that? WHO, right? Because if it's an

00:10:30.700 acronym, it's designed to be boring for a reason. They don't want you to pay attention to it. And

00:10:36.400 I've, I've written books about this stuff. My first book, Woke Inc. is about the merger of what I call

00:10:41.000 state power and corporate power, the woke industrial complex to do what neither can on its own,

00:10:45.980 victimhood culture. My third book was about the ESG movement. We could talk about the different

00:10:51.340 top down forces, the COVID agenda, the climate agenda now in, in, I would say more nefarious

00:10:56.760 and lasting form. But here's the thing that trick only works. If you have a culture, individuals that

00:11:06.140 are lost, that are willing to buy up what they're selling, right? If you don't bend the knee to the

00:11:11.100 real thing. Yeah. You have to remove, you have to bend the knee to something. Yeah. You first have

00:11:14.520 to remove something and then replace it with something else. Right. But this removal in some

00:11:19.180 ways is the individual responsibility. Cause I've moved a little bit from where I was a couple of

00:11:23.280 years ago, just complaining about the way that they're removing it. How about taking a look in

00:11:27.400 the mirror? Right. I mean, I think that the question is if we take a long, hard look in the mirror,

00:11:33.500 I think we have to ask ourselves, what is it inside each of us that makes us want to bend the knee?

00:11:38.460 I took my son to Washington DC. He's three and a half years old. That's a good question.

00:11:42.680 It's interesting. And so we're in June, it's pride month. We're walking around Washington DC in,

00:11:47.080 in the evening. Okay. Capital of the United States. And we talked, you made the reference

00:11:53.180 to pledging allegiance. So I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. That's

00:11:56.560 what we grew up saying every morning in school. We don't do that anymore. You walk around Washington

00:12:01.780 DC in the month of June. I kid you not. We saw more trans flags, not just the

00:12:08.080 you know, rainbow gay rights flag. No, the trans, the new transgender flag

00:12:12.080 this week's flavor and Ukraine flags, right? Versus the U S flag and the United States Capitol.

00:12:18.640 Think about that. There were combined, a combined basis, more flags for the nation of Ukraine

00:12:23.040 and for the transgender movement than there were for the United States of America. So there's a very

00:12:29.380 real sense. We require these symbols, right? So if you don't pledge allegiance to that flag,

00:12:33.560 it's not some like abstract analogy. We literally pick other flags to pledge allegiance to the trans

00:12:39.660 flag. And particularly what I think is going on this weird thing in the United States. I don't

00:12:43.100 know where you are on this, but the weird religiosity around Ukraine, I think is, Oh,

00:12:48.040 we got it. I think it's fucking absurd, bro. I've been taking a lot of heat for this.

00:12:52.000 I know. I think it's absurd. We shouldn't be sick. Look, man, go to San Francisco, go to Los Angeles,

00:12:58.600 go to downtown St. Louis, go to all these cities. The fact that we're sending a fucking dollar to

00:13:06.580 anyone else is absurd right now. It is, it is, it is criminal. I think it's literally criminal

00:13:12.180 because in this particular case, I believe it is a repayment for a bribe of the son of a sitting U S

00:13:18.000 president. Absolutely. 100%. But, but the reason within that begs the question of why the

00:13:22.700 Republicans are going along with it. And it is this deeper muscle memory that we have built dating

00:13:29.340 back to the Iraq war that you make up for your own insecurity at home by projecting an artificial

00:13:36.580 strength abroad, fighting a war that you're destined to lose, but then just define it after

00:13:42.100 the fact. Do you think that's what it is? Or do you think it's that these dudes are on fucking

00:13:45.860 payroll, man? They're on, they're on, I mean, yeah, I mean, so the Democrat machine, they're not us.

00:13:49.760 Like these guys are the right machine is definitely on payroll. There's a lot on the Republican side

00:13:53.740 that are on payroll too. That's right. Actually just look at some of the other, you know, look at

00:13:57.440 some of the other candidates, how they've made money. Who's donating to their political campaigns?

00:14:00.540 Or who gets to be a military contractor after their short stint in the UN, right? And goes from being

00:14:07.040 in debt to making 8 million bucks. Yeah. Operating a military contractor and being on the board of

00:14:11.620 Boeing to Lockheed Martin to you name it. So that's like 75% of it. But I, but I believe in

00:14:16.200 getting to the truth and it is weird. I have to tell you, unless, unless there are facts, I don't

00:14:22.240 know. There are donors I've lost like potential big backers and donors. That's supposedly what you

00:14:27.660 need to win a presidential race, but it is what it is. I'm going to stick to saying what I believe

00:14:31.460 who I don't think, like I have no basis to believe, have direct financial interests that benefit

00:14:39.540 from the war. And yet the one position, the third rail that stops them from being able to support

00:14:46.300 me. They love my, you know, domestic policies and deregulation and shutting down administrative

00:14:51.380 state. They'll get me behind all that. They'll be with me on the anti-woke message. But when I tell

00:14:55.800 them we're done paying to defend an invasion across somebody else's border, when we have an invasion

00:15:02.540 across our own Southern border here at home to say that, no, no, no, no, no. This is, this is the

00:15:07.660 third rail. I can't support you with that kind of position on Ukraine. Like at first, my reaction is,

00:15:13.080 I mean, definitely the Biden family's compromised and this is a repayment of a bribe. Right. Even

00:15:16.600 many of the neocons in the Republican establishment, these are people who are looking in the name of

00:15:20.180 running for president, their next board gig on Lockheed Martin or Raytheon or whatever.

00:15:24.540 But there's a subset of people, very wealthy people that don't need more money. And I don't think

00:15:29.760 are directly making money off this war, but have this still imperialist bone in their body that they

00:15:36.760 just can't let go of. And I think it relates to a sort of ego deficit. Actually, when you lose your

00:15:45.140 true sense of self-worth, you start actually creating your sense of self-worth from artificial

00:15:52.980 things. And this idea that I'm at the top of the food chain in the United States of America,

00:15:57.900 it better darn well be the country that's projecting its strength through fighting foreign

00:16:03.900 wars somewhere that I'm not going to go to. Yeah. That my kids aren't going to go to. Yeah.

00:16:07.400 But that somebody else's kids are. The peasant, the peasant class kids, they're going to go

00:16:11.440 fight these wars. Exactly. To make me feel like I can flex my muscle while I'm at the beach house.

00:16:15.240 Yeah. I think that there's an element of that. Like if we're getting- I can see that.

00:16:18.760 It's not just the conspiracy, it's the psychology. Totally. Yeah. You see Lindsey Graham go there

00:16:22.660 and say the best money we ever spent- Killing a bunch of Russians. Yeah, bro. That's bullshit.

00:16:26.380 And Americans don't feel that way. Americans don't feel that way. No way. We're over here like,

00:16:30.660 fuck, you fighting this war, bro? Like, you're going to go fight this? Like, nobody wants this.

00:16:35.320 I'd send Lindsey Graham to the front lines. Yeah. They all deserve to go to the front lines,

00:16:38.880 bro. I mean, yeah. They believe in the war. Hey, listen. Let them stand for it. I totally agree

00:16:43.060 with that. All right. I'm liking you more and more. All right. Let's be real. This is the truth. I'd give

00:16:47.300 Lindsey Graham some credit if he were willing to go teach him how to go- Technically-

00:16:51.380 Yeah. Go teach him how to operate those weapons, do it on the front line. Yeah. Yeah. I'd send him for that.

00:16:55.020 He does have a commission. I think he's Air Force Reserve, Army Reserve.

00:16:59.060 He actually has one. Well, he's definitely in favor of, he said, it's the best money we've

00:17:03.180 ever spent. I think it's the best foreign trip we'll ever send a U.S. Senator on, actually.

00:17:07.040 It's the best money we ever spent. I'd pay for his flight to go out there. Yeah. This fucking

00:17:12.380 dude, look, dude, these guys are literally treating the American people as if we are the

00:17:19.400 ATM for their conquests and their bullshit deals that they're doing all over the world.

00:17:25.660 Well, we are their ATM. Yeah, I know, bro. But why are we sending, like, not only do we pay half

00:17:30.500 of our income to these people, and when we add it up, let's be real, it's more than half. All right?

00:17:34.760 That makes us slaves. These people are sending your kids and your sons and your daughters in the name

00:17:42.640 of this patriotic delusion to go die. Like, it's absurd. I just posted that video of the Gold Star

00:17:50.780 Family's on my Instagram. Dude, that was heartbreaking to watch. Like, how can you watch

00:17:56.660 that and not understand what these people think of us? Like, when I say us, dude, I come from the

00:18:03.260 same class everybody else listen here. I'm not part of their team, right? I might have a couple

00:18:08.100 dollars. You know, Vivek's got a few dollars. We, we, but like, dude, we're not part of their

00:18:14.520 crew. Yeah. And like, these people see us, the people, as their way to finance, their way to get

00:18:20.740 wealthy, and they're soldiers to fight their wars. And this is absurd, dude. This is not what we're

00:18:25.840 here to do. No. And you know, the funny thing is, there's this mythology around it too, right?

00:18:30.740 If you, if you rewind two, three years ago, even the mainstream New York Times style media was talking

00:18:37.980 about the fact that Ukraine has some serious Nazi issues. Yeah. Domestically. Okay. Right. This is

00:18:44.320 a guy, you know, this Pied Piper, a Hamlin in cargo pants that somehow has become an American God

00:18:49.560 substitute for a modern religion is we have, who needs, who needs God when you have Zelensky. Yeah.

00:18:54.320 You know, is, is a guy who has actually shut down 11 opposition parties. He is a guy who has

00:19:00.680 consolidated all media into one state media arm. And he is trying to chain gang us

00:19:07.480 into a war, right? Yeah. He's rooting for world war because, I mean, say what you will about the

00:19:13.400 guy, you know, comedian in cargo pants, he still is doing what might be in his own self-interest

00:19:18.640 and arguably what he thinks of as his job. If you chain gang these guys into war, then at least

00:19:24.420 that's good for Ukraine. But the problem is in some ways, it's not even, I mean, I could complain

00:19:29.000 about Zelensky and point all of his hypocrisies all we want. It goes back to that question. Easy to point

00:19:33.340 the finger at the other. What the heck is going on in this country that makes us fall

00:19:38.200 for this trick? Right. We say we had the nine. I don't think people fall for it, bro. I mean,

00:19:43.240 I mean, we're not, but yet we have put in class, we both parties, let's just be honest, but

00:19:47.980 dude, Democrats and Republicans, if there's one thing they agree on right now, okay, the

00:19:51.520 worst ideas are bipartisan, but that's not the people. Well, the people need to step up and

00:19:55.520 do something. I agree. I'm the only person on that debate. I agree.

00:19:58.080 I'm on there with eight Republicans and I'm one out of eight on that stage standing for what you

00:20:03.580 and I are saying. So the people better rise up and make this happen or else we have a farce of

00:20:08.540 two different political parties who we claim are vehemently disagreeing, kind of a pissing contest

00:20:13.440 on who's more anti-woke. That's a sideshow compared to where we're actually sending our actual

00:20:18.200 dollars. So yeah, better be an uprising, which is what we need in this country.

00:20:21.680 Listen, dude, you're a business guy. How many lawyers have you been around? A lot, right?

00:20:26.140 Many, many. We all know the game with lawyers and the game with lawyers is very simple. They

00:20:31.560 pretend to be enemies. They go play golf and they talk about how they're going to fuck you

00:20:34.520 out all your money. Yes, it's actually a good point. That is the whole game. It's actually

00:20:37.660 a good point. You know what they say when you get a lawsuit regular, like you got, hey,

00:20:43.340 do not call the other guy. No matter what you do, don't call him. And then you know how

00:20:47.360 you solve shit? You call the dude. I know, I know. Yeah, exactly. It saves you millions of

00:20:51.580 dollars. Because you disintermediate the middle class. You know who else is like this?

00:20:55.580 Actually, this is a new one that my eyes got open to. The world of political consultants,

00:21:00.740 actually. They like that too? Right? Oh, totally. Go talk to so-and-so. It's just mercenaries

00:21:05.840 right in the middle. Saleswords. Yeah, totally. And so the guy who are running some of the

00:21:11.260 big super packs of the other guys will be like, you know, three weeks before is like

00:21:15.120 at my house, like, you know, still have a text message relationship, you know, pass along

00:21:19.660 stuff. It's a game. It's a farce. It's a bunch of mercenaries. And they're fucking backstabbers

00:21:24.320 too, bro. Because the minute you don't go with them or the minute you don't- Totally.

00:21:27.760 All of a sudden, they're sending a press release out about- Leaks. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Exactly.

00:21:32.680 It's vicious, dude. People don't get that. It is. And so it's a good point that in a certain

00:21:36.100 way, that's kind of what's going on at the governmental level as well. But anyway, this,

00:21:42.280 I do think this will be what separates the boys from the men in the Republican Party is

00:21:45.800 our willingness to defect from the super pack puppet class on the question of Ukraine right

00:21:52.580 now. And if it's not Ukraine now, it'll be some other war. You know, it was Vitorok

00:21:56.180 before, it'll be another one tomorrow. What's that?

00:21:57.680 You know, Taiwan and China. You know- Listen-

00:21:59.240 I mean, look, I think that the things I've said, I mean, they're raining arrows on me right

00:22:04.220 now for a reason, but I'm speaking truth. And you know what? If we're- And I'm not some

00:22:08.940 just isolationist for the sake of being an isolationist. If somebody's attacking us on

00:22:12.340 our turf, you know what? I'm not okay with the Chinese spy balloon flying over half this

00:22:15.660 country. Okay. If you're going to attack the homeland, compromise our actual sovereignty

00:22:22.100 on the homeland, you better have hell to pay for it. But the irony is we look the other

00:22:26.740 way when that's happening right here at home. We're in a modern opium war, which I think

00:22:30.540 is also a big problem. That's a big part of intentionality of- It's not drug addiction.

00:22:34.220 It's fentanyl artificially laced into Percocet that gets sold via Snapchat. It's coming from

00:22:40.820 Wuhan to Mexican drug cartels. These are issues that I'm very open to talking about how we

00:22:45.240 handle, but we're deflecting that instead by focusing on two thugs fighting it out.

00:22:50.040 Well, let's be real, dude. Let's be fucking real. First of all, Zelensky is a puppet, all

00:22:55.720 right? He is the front man for the World Economic Forum, Global Communist Movement. We'll

00:23:01.280 talk about that, too. You guys are getting into it.

00:23:03.360 Yeah. Listen, he's the front man. The reason he's an actor is because he's actually an actor.

00:23:08.760 He's literally an actor. Right. Yeah.

00:23:09.960 And the reality of what's going on in the world is we have a compromised president who's taken

00:23:14.540 millions of dollars to make policy decisions that are not in the interests of the American

00:23:19.280 people. They are in the interests of China and other countries. And that's why we have

00:23:24.460 an open border. And that's why we have crime wave. And that's why we have all this crazy

00:23:28.700 shit going on. This family sold out U.S. foreign policies for them to get rich. Yes.

00:23:35.300 And that's wrong. Yeah. And they don't even. Bro, the dude smirks. He smirks when you talk

00:23:41.660 about it. Yeah. Like he smirks like it's a fucking joke, bro. People are here. Listen,

00:23:46.840 man, we're here in the Midwest, man. Most of these people I hear just hardworking, regular

00:23:51.800 Americans that are common sense that they just don't want to be fucked with, man. You

00:23:56.960 know, and these guys are laughing at us. Like that's how America feels. And dude, if you

00:24:02.980 want a political consultant, I'll give you some political consultation. Here's the reality

00:24:07.800 with you. Okay. You say all the right shit and it's great. Like, and we, dude, I'm, I'm

00:24:13.300 watching and I'm like, fuck yeah, this is right. But there's the American people and you're

00:24:19.340 noticing this on the internet. The American people have a problem trusting anybody right

00:24:24.760 now because they've been so violated. They should. And so they think everybody, including

00:24:29.460 me, they, you know, we, we, we can't tell like, is this person affiliated or is this person

00:24:35.180 a plant or is this another Zelensky puppet? And it's the, that's going to be your biggest

00:24:40.160 hurdle to overcome. I know. Totally. I mean, because we, we have a government and people have

00:24:44.720 run for government and people in power that have systematically lied. Yeah. And so if

00:24:49.320 you look like the others, how do I know that you're real? And yeah, it's the reality of

00:24:53.640 where we are. So people should be skeptical. I would say, believe nothing that anybody feeds

00:24:57.760 you, but you're going to have to make a choice about what your best chances of moving a country

00:25:02.580 forward. And that's unfortunately the best we're going to get right now.

00:25:05.960 You know where people are hitting you right now? They're hitting you on this, on this Obama

00:25:09.320 line from the debate. Oh yeah. Well, they're saying, they're saying that you're the Republican

00:25:13.660 Obama. You know what? I actually, there are elements of that that I'm actually leaning

00:25:20.160 into because you want to know what Obama's really good at? He's filling that void. So

00:25:25.380 what he did, he leaned into his race. He leaned into his identity and says, okay, now it's about

00:25:29.760 race and gender and sexuality and climate. When we conservatives, what have we been doing?

00:25:35.340 And I don't even use that word that much. We in the pro American movement, what have we

00:25:39.100 been doing? I don't see you as a conservative. I see you as a common sense dude. I'm pro American

00:25:43.380 is what I am, really. And so we in our pro American movement, what have we been doing though?

00:25:48.500 Myself included, I'm not criticizing other people. Take a look at my three books. What

00:25:52.260 have I been doing? I've been criticizing that vision. And I realized that's not good enough.

00:25:57.140 That's not going to fix the country. We have to actually play that game by offering a better

00:26:02.300 vision of our own. So if they're giving us race, gender, sexuality, and climate, I think we would

00:26:08.520 do better to talk more about the value of the individual, the family, the nation, and God.

00:26:16.380 I think individual, family, nation, God beats race, gender, sexuality, and climate. And so far

00:26:22.300 in the Republican party, we have a bunch of partisan hacks that recite slogans. They're handed

00:26:26.320 out in a binder, criticize them. What do they teach us even for the debate? What are the debate?

00:26:30.980 Standard debate, wisdom, and preparation is you look at the super PAC leak of, you know, the,

00:26:36.720 which one was it was the DeSantis camp that had their super PAC leak, their memo, criticize Biden

00:26:41.460 at least three to five times. And that's the traditional advice that all the candidates will

00:26:44.780 get. The way I look at it is, first of all, it's super robotic. But second of all, you're missing the

00:26:50.780 point if you're criticizing Biden. He's a puppet. Zelensky's a puppet. Biden's a puppet. We have to

00:26:56.360 actually have a vision of our own. And the left is actually good at this. The left will give you a

00:27:02.100 vision. They will. It's the wrong vision, but they'll give you a vision. And the alternative

00:27:06.740 side, the Republican party is so pathetic that it has not for years offered an affirmative vision.

00:27:12.340 Now, Trump actually brought a new, at least character to the Republican party. And that's

00:27:16.180 good. He still, he still fails a little bit. What do we actually stand for? What are we running

00:27:22.840 to? And so in a certain sense, yes, I think we need that to actually have an alternative vision

00:27:28.880 that dilutes the other side's poison to irrelevance. And people say, oh, are you just

00:27:32.940 eloquent talking in a nice way? Good. I want to use the gifts I have been given to stand for an

00:27:39.300 actual vision that contributes to this country. I don't think anybody's, I don't think that's

00:27:43.060 what people are afraid of. I think people love your charisma. I think people think it's amazing.

00:27:46.560 I think it's amazing. Cool. Thanks. We all have our gifts. We'll use them. Yeah,

00:27:49.860 absolutely, dude. And it's required in business. Like it makes perfect sense. Definitely

00:27:53.000 required in politics. Yeah. The, I think where they're afraid of is they think like, okay,

00:27:58.560 this guy reminds me of Obama. And when Obama got elected, and you probably remember this as well,

00:28:03.500 like I didn't really care for him, but I was hopeful. He inspired me to think, man, all right,

00:28:09.840 I didn't vote for this guy, but man, he could do this and it could work and it could be awesome.

00:28:15.520 Hope he does good things. Yes. And I think what people are afraid of- I didn't feel that way. I

00:28:19.120 actually sat it out. I voted Libertarian in 2004. Yeah. I sat it out in 08 because both him and

00:28:23.860 McCain, I said, this ain't happening. Well, that's, I don't, I think that's valid. Yeah.

00:28:28.380 They both suck. That's the way I felt about it. Yeah. But I did vote for McCain because I did what

00:28:33.520 a lot of people did this last time and voted against the guy, not for the guy. Right. And,

00:28:40.300 you know, I didn't know as much then, but what I think they're afraid of is I think they're afraid

00:28:45.740 if they get behind you. Cause when Obama went in, he didn't do any of the shit that he said he was

00:28:49.520 going to do. He did all the opposite shit. And I think that's what, I think that's a pain point

00:28:53.660 for people right now. I think it's bruising. Yeah. Yeah. The skepticism is like, there's no

00:28:57.800 track record, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, how do we trust this guy who came,

00:29:01.860 you know, in optics out of nowhere? Yep. Right. How do we, how can we trust that this person in the

00:29:06.960 most tumultuous time that we've been in as a country, right? Politically, historically,

00:29:11.640 how do we trust a person to just come in that we don't know with no proven track record? How do

00:29:17.220 we trust that? Yeah. So look, I think that here's what I'll say. The people who do have track records,

00:29:24.880 that's not the track record you want. They're shitty. Right. I mean, Mike Pence said it on the

00:29:29.100 stage. We don't have time for a rookie. We don't want someone too young. What do they call me?

00:29:33.860 I think he killed himself with that one comment. I think so. Yeah. But, but, but I'm just saying

00:29:38.440 amongst other things. That's, but that's from the Mike Pence view. But even from,

00:29:41.660 from our people point of view to say, okay, but still you're, how do you know you're not just

00:29:46.120 selling me a hope and dream? Are you actually going to hold the line when you get into office?

00:29:54.240 Look, it's not my job to persuade you. Okay. My job is, I'm just going to tell you who I am and

00:29:58.720 what I stand for. You should be skeptical. I can tell you this. If you guys, if you guys don't want

00:30:03.640 that, then, then, then go with somebody else and find better. But here's what I will say about this

00:30:07.400 though, is look at the heat I'm taking now already. Okay. It is obvious to anyone who's

00:30:15.540 watching that I have like, this should shock no one. There could be tens of millions of dollars

00:30:21.040 of backing coming into super PACs, et cetera, for me. I'm in many ways, what many in that

00:30:27.000 establishment would dream for, right? A guy with a business background, a guy who has come up through

00:30:32.640 elite educated institutions. And I know many of these people, they're ready to support me. And then

00:30:37.080 they hear the things that I'm actually saying. And they say, Oh, we can't quite get there.

00:30:41.880 So does that make sense in the sense for me to sort of say, I have all that teed up. Let's say

00:30:46.180 this is about my power, dominion and control. Okay. How do I get to the closest seat of power

00:30:51.160 that I possibly can by playing some political snakes and ladders? Well, first of all, think,

00:30:56.460 look at the stuff they're hitting me on. Now you didn't, there were many years I didn't vote in

00:30:59.740 my twenties. Well, I wasn't plotting to be president my whole life. Turns out. Okay. If I was now plotting

00:31:04.600 to do it, what would I be doing? All the people, the hedge fund Kings of New York city, many of whom,

00:31:08.840 you know, are people who I overlapped with in my prior life and otherwise,

00:31:11.520 whose support would be really meaningful for me to be buying ads in Iowa and New Hampshire and

00:31:17.480 Nevada where I don't have ads on TV because we're being smart and capital efficient, but every other

00:31:22.960 campaign with their super PAC puppets are flooding the airwaves. This would be a lot easier for me to

00:31:27.360 play that game. I'm not. And so I think that should at least cause you to think twice. You can listen

00:31:33.260 to the things that I'm saying from the truth about Saudi Arabia's involvement in nine 11 all the way

00:31:37.820 through Jeffrey Epstein's client list to the Nashville shooter manifesto. I'm talking about the things

00:31:42.600 you're not supposed to talk about. That's right. And do you think that's actually helping me right now?

00:31:46.780 Cause you could look at, I mean, in, in some sense with the people, I hope it is, I think it is, but in

00:31:51.200 the, in the money raising game or all the game that you worry about Obama or the, or the managerial

00:31:56.040 class, that's not how that game is actually played. So all I would say is be skeptical. Absolutely. And I'm

00:32:02.500 living, I mean, I've got two sons, one's three and a half years old. One's a year old. We have

00:32:08.340 reached the apex of living a great life. We fly, we, we don't have, we're not going to go to

00:32:14.520 commercial airport for the rest of our life if we don't want to, unless it's to train our kids

00:32:17.520 with the right values, which we probably will, but we can have a beach house and we can have our Ohio

00:32:22.060 house and live a good life. And I like writing books. I'd go on TV plenty if I want to, if it's supposed

00:32:27.580 I want to be famous. And that's the objective, many ways to do that. I'm just addressing some of the

00:32:31.680 things I've heard. It doesn't make sense to put yourself through this, go through the sacrifices

00:32:37.520 we are, take the arrows, make this job harder by speaking the truth about the hardest topics,

00:32:42.920 turning down tens of millions of dollars that otherwise could be in the coffers.

00:32:46.740 If this was about any game other than reviving truth in this country. And you know what? I've said

00:32:53.940 this in the beginning. I'll say it again. I would rather speak truth at every step and lose this

00:32:59.900 election. I'm totally at peace with that. Then to win by playing some carefully scripted path

00:33:05.820 to winning. And I truly don't know which is going to be the winning strategy. I really don't.

00:33:09.960 It's an interesting experiment for me, actually. At the start of this campaign,

00:33:13.020 I'm curious how the world works, how this country works. We're going to find out.

00:33:17.740 If I'm unrestrained and speak in my mind at every step and totally comfortable that that may not lead

00:33:24.360 to winning this election. If everybody in this country knows who I am and what I stand for and

00:33:29.220 they don't want to go with me and they want to go with the other guy, whoever that is.

00:33:32.380 I am totally cool with that. But all I would say is.

00:33:37.220 You have the choices you do. You can't be sure about anybody, because as much as we're going,

00:33:42.200 showing up on the ground in Iowa, New Hampshire, meeting thousands of people,

00:33:44.740 I'm not going to meet the 300 million people across this country. You didn't prescript these

00:33:48.620 questions with me. I'm doing these forms more than I am just standard cable television.

00:33:52.200 But at the end of the day, people are going to have to make a judgment.

00:33:55.480 And if you trust me, or you trust 80% of what I say, probably go with me. If not,

00:34:00.400 I'm not going to change your mind. No, I think you're making good points.

00:34:02.720 But that's up to you. We talk about it on the show. They attack who they don't want.

00:34:06.660 And you've definitely been getting it. You know what I mean?

00:34:09.160 Oh, look at this last week. That's a big indicator. I think you're making some really fair

00:34:12.260 points about that. And I also think that, and I'm just going to say this because this is real.

00:34:17.920 I'm good with people. I don't get that vibe from you. I don't get it in person. I don't get this

00:34:24.680 vibe of, I kind of get the vibe of how I feel about it, where it's like, yeah, dude, somebody's

00:34:30.020 got to do this. The sense of passion urges. Yeah. And that's, I got that vibe 30 seconds

00:34:34.800 in the meeting. I don't relish the idea of being present. That's the other thing.

00:34:37.580 It's like, you know, now we're- Why would you want to do that?

00:34:40.040 I mean, honestly, when we started in this campaign, we were playing to win my heart.

00:34:43.760 My heart was in it to win. But now it's real, right? We're on a trajectory, the same trajectory

00:34:48.820 Trump was. Honestly, I was talking to my wife two nights ago, and it's like, I think this is going

00:34:53.000 to happen. Neither of us is like looking forward to it. But by the time we get out in January 2033,

00:35:00.520 our older son, he won't even be in high school yet. I think we will feel good about what we did

00:35:05.280 for this country. And I think the way I'm looking at this as well, this is one of the mistakes that

00:35:09.560 Trump made. It's one of the mistakes that most presidents make. They actually do promise,

00:35:13.520 hopes and dreams that they think they're going to fulfill, but it requires Congress.

00:35:18.000 Repeal and replace Obamacare. You might remember that one. Well, I think it would have been nice

00:35:21.420 if it happened, but it didn't because it requires- So nothing that I'm promising requires 535 people

00:35:27.880 in Congress to line up and agree with me because I can't make that promise. But if you look at the

00:35:32.900 promises I am making, right, that we're going to have a 75% headcount reduction in the federal

00:35:38.140 bureaucracy, that the president can do. That's fucking huge, dude. And the president can do that.

00:35:41.840 I don't need Congress to do that. So every, shut down the Department of Education, shut down the

00:35:45.380 FBI. I can do that.

00:35:46.320 The president can't. So I didn't know that. Yeah. So the president has the power to make the

00:35:50.740 government smaller. Yes. And that's the executive branch of government smaller. And that's the

00:35:55.560 president runs the executive branch. And that's something that you're committed to. That's I'm

00:35:58.560 deeply committed to. In fact, that's the number one thing I'm going in to do. Yeah. If there's two

00:36:02.920 things I know I can do. Okay. It's shut down the most of the executive branch of the government

00:36:07.820 that automatically stimulates the economy. And then the second isn't even through policy,

00:36:12.400 but it's through the way you lead. Revive national pride in this country. Those two things,

00:36:18.320 without asking anybody else for permission, that much I know I can get done. Now, there will be some

00:36:23.100 legal scholars who would tell you and, you know, the people who advise Trump and otherwise, oh,

00:36:28.340 no, no, you can't do that. That requires congressional permission. And if you guys want to go into

00:36:31.380 details, I can go into details that say, no, no, no. And this is where Trump got duped, right?

00:36:36.020 They told him you can't fire federal employees because they have these so-called civil service

00:36:40.780 protections, right? Special protections that say, if you're a federal employee, you can't be fired.

00:36:44.940 You got to read the law. It doesn't apply to mass layoffs, right? The whole point is if you work

00:36:51.140 for, I don't know, the EPA. Yeah. You can't signal them out. Yeah. I can't say because you disagree

00:36:55.240 with me, but you're some environmental monitor that I can't fire you. Fine. You could disagree or not

00:36:59.680 with the policy. That's what the law says. If I'm saying that, no, no, all y'all are gone

00:37:03.080 because we're cleaning house and this stimulates the economy. And that's actually one of the

00:37:07.740 justifications in the law. If it stimulates the economy or eliminates redundant agencies,

00:37:11.520 you can shut down agencies. You can fire large numbers of people.

00:37:15.680 And that's absolutely what I'm bringing to Washington, D.C. And so it does take a pretty

00:37:20.860 rare combination of somebody coming in from the outside with complete disregard and disrespect

00:37:26.300 for that professional political class. And I didn't realize it, but apparently that disdain

00:37:30.800 came across on the debate stage last week. I didn't mean it that way, but I just do have

00:37:34.860 a natural disdain for the professional managerial political class. But you have to also know what

00:37:40.600 you're talking about when it comes to the law or else you're going to be duped by those same people

00:37:44.720 who are your advisors that tell you all the reasons you can't do it. So then we do it. And I've also

00:37:49.680 studied the current Supreme Court, which I give Trump a ton of credit for, one of the most valuable

00:37:53.900 things he did. And it's important. They agree with me six to three on this. So then we go in

00:37:59.420 there and get that done. By the time I'm leaving in January, 20, 33, the Supreme Court's already

00:38:04.540 said, no, no, this guy's right. Six to three. The next guy who takes over after me, I will be,

00:38:09.520 I will relish in handing over the keys to whoever that person is, doesn't have his hands tied

00:38:14.760 in the same way that my hands are tied nominally on day one. And so that's how I look at it. This

00:38:21.060 is eight years. You go in, parts of it are going to feel like a sharp poke in the eye. I'm sure it's

00:38:25.300 nice to ride around on Air Force One, but it's less of an upgrade for me than it is for many

00:38:30.000 people from, than it was for Barack Obama, getting into that position from community organizer.

00:38:33.820 That's not why I'm in this. I'm in this because I think that I didn't serve this country,

00:38:39.560 actually. I think there's a lot of ways to serve a country. You don't need to apologize

00:38:42.500 for being a capitalist, but I didn't, I didn't serve the country in a civic sense. I did it as a

00:38:47.600 capitalist. And this is going to be my way of doing it. And I know to a lot of people that,

00:38:51.260 and it may be in some measure, it is just ridiculous to say, yeah, I'm going to do my

00:38:55.120 national service. I'm going to do it by being U.S. president. But the honest truth is we all

00:38:59.320 have to look ourselves in the mirror and ask ourselves, how am I going to use the gifts

00:39:05.860 that God has given me, that God has given you, that God has given you to make your maximal

00:39:10.300 contribution? And I don't think being the president's the most important job in the country. I really

00:39:15.280 don't. He has, he has an important role to play, but I'm not sure if it's more important to be a

00:39:20.520 president or a pastor right now. In fact, you could make an argument that a pastor is going to

00:39:26.860 fill that vacuum with something far more meaningful than a U.S. president ever can.

00:39:32.800 It's not my job to be a pastor, but I will, I will fill it with a vacuum of national identity.

00:39:37.180 That's something the president can do. And that's something I'm confident I can.

00:39:40.940 I think you're hitting on a super important part of the puzzle here. What you just said about

00:39:46.720 it not being important, this is no different than us running our companies.

00:39:49.760 Yes. Like people will say to you, Oh, you're the CEO or you're the chairman or you're this. And

00:39:54.300 it's so such a big deal. And it's like, no, it's just a part of the, it's just part of

00:39:58.840 the requirements to do the mission. Totally. And president is just like that. That's how I look

00:40:04.540 at it as well. I see it the same way you're seeing it. And I think that actually, if we're being honest

00:40:09.820 about what's going to fix the country, it isn't going to be a president. It's going to be individuals

00:40:15.560 in their communities, deciding that they want to live a higher standard of life, meaning culturally

00:40:21.720 and then spreading that to their neighbors, to the left, to the right, to their sons and daughters,

00:40:26.720 to their cousins. And when people lift themselves up, other people start to look at them and they

00:40:31.620 say, what's, what's he doing? What are you, what are you doing, Vivek? You look great. You've been

00:40:37.200 taking care of yourself. You know, you've been working hard. I see your family. They're great.

00:40:41.220 How do you do it? And then that spreads. Totally. And that's what we're talking about

00:40:45.920 here. I feel like we have been lulled to sleep as a culture to believe that we are dependent

00:40:52.460 on somebody 2000 miles away to make the decisions for us. When in reality, the decisions they make

00:40:58.980 have very little effect on our lives. That's right. And our community and what you're talking

00:41:03.100 about, American culture, American pride, American identity, American values. These things have

00:41:09.140 to come from you guys listening. They don't come from Vivek. They don't come from Trump.

00:41:13.560 They don't come from anybody else. They don't come from Andy. They don't come from anybody.

00:41:17.660 They come from you living it. And I agree with that statement. I, that's a very, I, I think that's

00:41:24.020 the best thing you said so far, honestly. And the truth is it's, it's, it's a responsibility that

00:41:28.360 comes with part of the role of being the CEO. Then it's not that it's the most important position,

00:41:32.200 but part of the position in a company or part of the position in being the CEO of the executive

00:41:36.000 branch and leading this country is here's the standard. I want you all to hold me to. Do

00:41:41.640 you, do you have kids by the way? No. You know? Okay. You guys have two kids. I've got two sons as

00:41:47.200 well. I want to be able to have kids. So it was like, it's not that we didn't want to, it's just

00:41:52.240 to never happen for us. Okay. Well, but I have a young and I have an extreme life ahead. I have an

00:41:57.340 extreme sense of responsibility to our young, younger generation. Perfect. Um, and then, and you know what?

00:42:04.340 Life is long and there's many ways to, you know, that's that. Well, you're raising about 400 of

00:42:08.720 them in here to see, to see how that exactly, a few on the end of this microphone too. Some of them

00:42:13.220 look pretty, you know, they, they look like they're, they're doing fine under your tutelage

00:42:17.040 here. Their dad didn't leave. I want you to be able to look at each of those people out there,

00:42:21.220 those young people on the basketball court and in the gym, you to look at your two kids. I want to

00:42:26.060 look at my two sons and tell them in good conscience that whoever that is in the white house,

00:42:32.180 I want you to grow up and be like him. That's a high standard. Yes. But I think that that's half

00:42:37.920 the, that's half the job of the next U.S. president is just lead and live your life in a way that allows

00:42:44.300 young people to say, okay, I want to grow up and be like him or a parent to want to tell their kids

00:42:49.120 that same thing. It's the revival of a kind of national character that we missed. I think we have

00:42:57.100 missed for a really long time. I think that's half the job. Half the job is getting done with the U.S.

00:43:01.220 president can get done. And if we're lucky and use that momentum, that actually puts us in a

00:43:07.220 stronger position to get a few laws passed too, or better yet a few laws repealed. And then call

00:43:12.280 that a day. That's eight years work. Keep us out of war, grow the economy, drop the mic, next guy,

00:43:16.420 take over. Yeah. That's it. Go live your life. Exactly. That's, that's what the presidency is.

00:43:20.820 And then there's, there's a job for everybody else to play from CEO to pastor, to parent,

00:43:25.480 to a school board member. There's a job for everybody else to play too. And I do think we

00:43:31.740 fall into this trap. I think the right especially does actually, but I think all of us do in some

00:43:38.160 way is expecting that there's going to be some political Messiah coming from on high to save us.

00:43:45.900 Otherwise it doesn't work that way. Yeah. It's not Andy from this show. It's not me from the

00:43:49.740 White House. Nope. If we're going to be saved, it is going to be because we save ourselves. So

00:43:54.440 I'm not letting you off the hook that easily. I'm going to do my part as the U.S. president,

00:43:58.000 but it's like, you know, back to that mentality of, well, are you going to sell me this hope and

00:44:01.660 dream? And how do I know you're going to do that for me? I'm not. I'm going to do what I'm telling

00:44:05.700 you I'm going to do, which is my part. But if we want to be saved, you better do your part to save

00:44:10.500 yourself too. It's going to require all of us to actually, what I call a great uprising in this

00:44:16.200 country, but you have to play your part too. Oh, it's a cultural revolution. The good kind.

00:44:20.100 That's what we're talking, right. We're not talking about- A cultural counterrevolution is

00:44:23.280 really what we need. Yeah, no shit. If we're being real about it, that's what we're dealing with.

00:44:27.640 But that cannot be implemented by anybody else but the individual. Yep. And that's what people are

00:44:33.260 failing. And I don't know what that is. I don't know what that savior syndrome thing is that's going on.

00:44:37.660 It's because we allow one person to take a lot of the arrows for a long time. Dude, I think a lot of it

00:44:42.200 came from- I think a lot of it comes from Trump being so different than most of the other politicians

00:44:47.600 that have been around for a long, long time that people have like attached their identity to this

00:44:54.060 man. And by the way, I voted for Trump both times and I actually like Trump. He's a great president.

00:45:02.600 I sat on the stage and wrinkled a lot of people when I said that. It is what it is. I said he's the

00:45:06.340 greatest president of the 21st century. People are like, what did he just say? Let's just go

00:45:09.400 through the list. George Bush. You can't argue with what he did. Barack Obama. Joe Biden. Yes,

00:45:13.660 he was the best president of the 21st century. We have to take all of the shit that people don't

00:45:17.000 like about him off the table because it's all surface level bullshit. All right. The guy got

00:45:22.280 more shit done than anybody else. That is it. And that's how we should be judging people. If you

00:45:26.120 and I are running a company and this is my vice president over here and I got this guy over here

00:45:31.100 that wants to be vice president and this guy's tweeting some weird shit, but he does a better

00:45:35.040 job. Guess who's getting the job? The guy that tweets the weird shit. Okay. That's what it is.

00:45:39.740 And this savior complex comes from everybody attaching their identity to him because he's

00:45:45.600 been so different than everybody else thinking that there's nobody else like him. When in reality,

00:45:50.220 if there was nobody else like him, he wouldn't draw a hundred thousand people to his freaking rallies

00:45:54.840 for 30 days in a row prior to the election, which by the way, was great optics and smart strategy.

00:45:59.120 But the point is, I agree with you. Yeah. I think we got to move. We got to graduate from that.

00:46:05.180 Right. We got to graduate from the Messiah complex. And I think it takes somebody who,

00:46:11.120 because we're human beings too. Yeah. Right. I mean, let's, let's be honest. I mean,

00:46:15.820 there'll be times where if I'm in room for a thousand people, we'll have them captive and people

00:46:22.580 standing up, cheering, chanting at the end of it. It can get to your head. Yeah. Oh yeah.

00:46:28.500 But you, but, but, but so then people, but then people there want a Messiah. And so then you sort

00:46:34.620 of dupe yourself into thinking, well, I am one. And that's, I think where, where it goes wrong,

00:46:39.380 even with the best of what we've had, right. And like in the 21st century, I think that's where we

00:46:43.260 fell short back to that question. What is it inside our heart that makes us want to bend the knee?

00:46:49.940 We're going to bend the knee to something unless you fill it with the real thing. And so I'm a vehicle

00:46:55.120 for delivering a vision of national identity. It's not about me, what it means to be an American

00:46:59.840 MAGA, which I, in some sense, consider myself part of America first. I definitely consider myself part

00:47:05.320 of that is bigger than one man. Yeah. Doesn't belong to all of us. It doesn't belong to me. It

00:47:10.360 belongs to all of us. Right. And that's the mentality of leadership to take our America first

00:47:15.120 agenda to the next level. That's what I think it's going to take. I like the America first better

00:47:19.080 than MAGA, a lot better. It just means more. What does it mean? We put America first. If we're

00:47:23.520 being real, America hasn't always been great to everybody. So when you say make America great

00:47:28.420 again, certain classes of people say, well, what the fuck does that mean? You know, but if you say

00:47:32.540 America first, America first, and that means all Americans first. I agree. South side of Chicago to

00:47:37.160 Kensington to Maui, put them first over some Ukrainian government employees. People don't really know

00:47:42.640 this. They say military equipment, the media doesn't really make this clear. We are literally spending

00:47:46.860 our taxpayer dollars, the way more taxpayer dollars going into the government that should

00:47:51.560 are literally paying the salaries of Ukrainian government officials right now. So the Ukrainian

00:47:57.260 government's pay. That's insane. Right. The HR department in Ukraine's government is literally

00:48:02.180 printing money coming. They're processing the checks person is an American. Yeah. Their spokesperson

00:48:08.260 is an American. Like it's a transgender American. Like dude to do. Yeah. Well, no, it's a whole

00:48:15.180 thing. Listen, we got a game to play guys. I love to talk with you all day, but we got

00:48:20.300 to play this game. Okay. All right. We got something for you. All right. So tell us the

00:48:24.480 game DJ. Like, listen, like we'd like to have a good time on the show. Um, first of all,

00:48:28.700 it was a great conversation. Love the intro. Oh dude, I could go on for, we could go on

00:48:32.100 for 12 hours, but we, I mean, that's what this game hopefully is going to give us the opportunity

00:48:35.620 to do. So, uh, today guys, we're going to be playing America is in jeopardy. It's a jet.

00:48:44.380 It just, it's a jet party. I like it. Listen, copyright issues. I went to public high school.

00:48:51.220 I mean, there's a couple of different reasons. We do need education reform. Yeah. Education

00:48:55.200 reform. That doesn't work in your favor though. I like that. I just didn't want to get sued.

00:48:59.800 Honestly, that's smart thing. Um, but yeah, so we're all good into this. So, uh, so how's this

00:49:04.440 going to work? So yeah, so we'll go through our categories, right? And then, you know, you guys

00:49:08.380 can pick a category, pick your dollar amount. We'll go through it and we get to talk a little

00:49:12.760 bit about those issues. So, um, let's go through our categories, shall we? Yeah. Now who gets the

00:49:18.020 first pick? I think we ought to give the guests the first pick. I think the guest gets the first one

00:49:21.100 for sure. Let's go through the categories. Let's see what we got. We got a COVID-19, the greatest

00:49:25.920 reset. See what I did there? I like it. Yeah. I mean, I like the cleverness of it. I don't

00:49:31.700 like the actual substance of it. I was about to say that's going to go viral. He said he

00:49:36.320 loved COVID. The greatest reset. I don't like the great reset. It's the greatest reset.

00:49:41.560 Uh, we got Bidenomics. We got, uh, the deep, deep state. Emigression. Crime in America.

00:49:50.680 And then our last category, Russia, Americrane war. All right. So those are our categories,

00:49:57.140 guys. Uh, if you guys are watching on YouTube, make sure you like subscribe and comment, uh,

00:50:01.040 play along with us. Let us know in the comments, how you guys are doing on these, uh, on these

00:50:04.520 categories. But, uh, so with that being said, the vague, well, let's pick your first category.

00:50:09.220 Let's go with the deep, deep state for 200 deep, deep state for 200. This I NGO is the international

00:50:17.020 organization for public private corporation and engages the foremost political business,

00:50:23.020 cultural, and other leaders of society to shape global, regional, and industry, uh, and industry

00:50:28.720 agendas. So I'm supposed to name what the, what the organization is. What is, yeah. What is the

00:50:34.760 World Economic Forum? Yes. Absolutely. There we go. Yeah. So let's talk, what's your, do you

00:50:40.840 have any, uh, like what, what's your take on the, on the WEF? Well, let's, let's, let's put

00:50:45.400 this shit to rest. First of all. I mean, I'm convinced that it is never going to be put

00:50:50.380 to rest. So I'm at peace with that because, because people should be skeptical. So I have

00:50:55.160 been probably, I'm sorry, I already know the, the whole, you know, they nominated you as a

00:50:59.880 young global leader. That's bullshit. Yeah. I've seen that. They actually did that to

00:51:03.560 Gritens too. They did. They did it to Musk. They did it to Glenn Beck. And so, and so the

00:51:07.900 people who, so I, I, I, I don't think it was innocent, but I don't, but I don't know

00:51:12.220 for sure. They named me. I was the biggest critic. Look at the, look at the person who's

00:51:16.360 been exposing their ESG agenda over the last four or five years. I don't like to pat myself

00:51:21.220 on the back, but there's probably nobody in the United States of America who has exposed

00:51:24.840 their poison more than me over the last four years, maybe save for Glenn Beck. Okay.

00:51:30.140 The real, I know another guy. Yeah. What was that guy's name? That Randy Kinsella guy. He's

00:51:34.160 got a podcast. I forgot what it's called. I've heard good things about this. So the reality

00:51:41.820 is though, it's the old world. That's what this is about. The old world monster was that

00:51:46.920 we, the people cannot be trusted to sort out our differences on climate change or racial

00:51:51.940 injustice. They think their agenda, and this is what you have to understand to get it.

00:51:55.720 If you really want to get it, like there's the superficial version that it's, these guys

00:51:59.520 are evil. They want to destroy us. They're coming after us, et cetera. But if you really want

00:52:03.060 to get it, the most frightening part of all is that they actually think they're doing

00:52:08.220 it for your good.

00:52:09.600 Oh yeah. They believe they're doing the right thing.

00:52:10.880 They believe it's not just for their good.

00:52:12.140 Yes.

00:52:12.500 They believe they care about you so much that they have to do what's right for you because

00:52:19.220 you can't be trusted to do it yourself on existential questions like systemic racism

00:52:24.080 or climate change, which is really their favorite.

00:52:25.900 Or too ignorant to know any better.

00:52:27.080 And that was the old world view because the kings in the old palaces of old world England,

00:52:30.720 they said, we love our subjects. I love my subjects like my children. They just, my children

00:52:35.340 can't be trusted to vote and actually decide how they're going to sort out their differences.

00:52:41.120 That's a funny idea. If you think about your subjects as your children. Well, the United

00:52:45.980 States of America in 1776 said hell no to that vision. That's exactly how we do it on this

00:52:50.840 side of 1776. And every so often that old world monster starts to rear its head again.

00:52:57.160 And that's what the modern world economic forum is. The mountaintops of Davos are the

00:53:01.720 palace halls in old world England. That's what it's about.

00:53:04.760 So what do we do with them?

00:53:06.840 So I think that mostly what the United States has to do is make sure that we are first building

00:53:12.360 the walls to protect our own sovereignty. Look at those multilateral institutions.

00:53:18.000 I mean, the WHO, sure, that's an easy one. Don't fund an institution that's fundamentally

00:53:22.300 hostile to our sovereignty.

00:53:23.280 I think we have to take a long, hard look at our continued involvement in the UN itself.

00:53:28.600 Oh, dude, we got to be gone out of all of them.

00:53:30.540 I mean, the UN, why on earth are we funding an institution where the Human Rights Council

00:53:36.060 is staffed by the likes of Venezuela and North Korea on the UN? This is madness. And so I think

00:53:42.540 the U.S. needs to get itself out of these multilateral institutions that are hostile to

00:53:47.500 U.S. interests. Do we need to deal with other countries, certain other countries? Sure,

00:53:50.380 we'll do it bilaterally. But get out of this multilateral globalist view that we're one

00:53:57.440 nation amongst co-equals. No, we're the greatest nation on earth. We're going to stand up for

00:54:01.940 our interests. And that's good for the rest of the world. You want to know why? Because

00:54:05.600 when the U.S. is strong at home, that's the last best hope that any other free nation has.

00:54:10.260 Correct.

00:54:10.700 That it can aspire to something.

00:54:11.620 Correct.

00:54:11.820 So that's what we need to stand up for.

00:54:12.960 I love this. I agree.

00:54:14.740 I love it, man.

00:54:15.100 Yeah. So defund institutions that are hostile.

00:54:17.440 Withdraw, defund.

00:54:18.300 Yes. And they will crumble.

00:54:19.880 NATO as well.

00:54:21.160 NATO's moment, these things should have been task forces.

00:54:24.100 We are aligned here.

00:54:25.300 Right?

00:54:25.700 Yeah.

00:54:26.080 I mean, the moment has long passed. It was to deter the USSR.

00:54:30.280 Yeah.

00:54:31.040 And the newsflash that I delivered to some of my fellow candidates on stage last week was,

00:54:34.760 the USSR doesn't exist anymore. It fell back in 1990. And now NATO's taking us closer to nuclear war

00:54:41.180 with Russia when its supposed purpose was to deter nuclear war with the USSR. Time to fold up and

00:54:46.860 move on.

00:54:47.180 Bro, for sure. It's interesting that these people continue to pretend like we're dealing with 1980s

00:54:53.940 Russia. Like-

00:54:55.260 That's right.

00:54:55.860 It's been over for 30 years, man.

00:54:58.400 Yeah, exactly.

00:54:58.940 30 years.

00:54:59.820 And the reality is, if you're still reciting slogans you memorized in 1980, you're not thinking.

00:55:05.160 Yeah, that's correct.

00:55:06.240 In fact, George Kennan-

00:55:06.720 You're not growing. You're not evolving.

00:55:08.620 There's this guy, Kennan. He was-

00:55:11.160 He's probably the leading architect of our Cold War deterrence strategy. So even the neocons are going to have to

00:55:18.440 respect this guy. In the late 90s, before he died, he said that NATO expansionism was our worst policy error

00:55:27.860 in the post-Cold War era. And he was right about that. And yet nobody seems to want to admit it today

00:55:32.740 because they're still addicted to their muscle memory from four years ago. So anyway.

00:55:36.500 I love it.

00:55:36.940 I love it.

00:55:37.520 Yeah. Well, let's keep this going.

00:55:39.460 The bank is $200 richer.

00:55:41.140 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:55:41.780 So far, Simon, are you tracking this?

00:55:43.480 Until you go for $400, man.

00:55:44.860 That's right.

00:55:45.460 Cool.

00:55:46.040 What do we got?

00:55:47.340 Oh, it's me, right?

00:55:48.120 Mm-hmm.

00:55:50.140 Ooh.

00:55:51.420 I think I'm going to take the COVID-19, the greatest reset, and I'm just going to go hard and go for the $1,000.

00:55:58.000 Go for $1,000?

00:55:58.620 Yeah.

00:55:58.880 All right, here we go.

00:55:59.540 So 98.2%.

00:56:02.320 What is the survival rate of COVID-19?

00:56:08.260 Yeah, that is it.

00:56:09.360 Oh, wow.

00:56:10.100 Pretty good, man.

00:56:11.460 Like I said, I thought it was actually higher than that, but maybe they're using third world stats in that too.

00:56:15.700 I think-

00:56:16.340 The American survival rate is higher.

00:56:17.680 This is the stat of people that actually get COVID with no comorbidities.

00:56:26.480 I believe that's what that is.

00:56:27.940 They're throwing all kinds of stats around.

00:56:29.620 Yeah.

00:56:30.020 No, I think actually if you include that, that survival rate I think is actually even higher.

00:56:34.080 And they just came out with something this week, right?

00:56:36.020 Yeah, they just came out with something saying that it was actually like less than, you know, 0.01% of people died of COVID.

00:56:42.500 But the problem was like, and like, listen-

00:56:44.340 This is with including every comorbidity.

00:56:46.440 This is everything.

00:56:47.220 But the thing is like even that stat, the reason, you know, we didn't put it in the show, we didn't talk about it on the last episode either, but it's like that was one week.

00:56:54.660 We're looking at one, like one seven-day period out of the last, like to me, that's just not enough weight.

00:57:00.640 Yeah.

00:57:01.060 You know, so I mean, like we try to be fair.

00:57:03.240 It's really-

00:57:03.480 That's good.

00:57:03.820 That's good.

00:57:04.080 That's what we do.

00:57:04.360 That's good.

00:57:04.760 You know, like he's called it like it is.

00:57:06.300 Good job, man.

00:57:07.620 So you're richer than I am now, so I got to go for some hard ones.

00:57:11.280 All right.

00:57:11.980 What do we got?

00:57:12.940 Let's go for Russia-Americrane war for 800, so I can go for the tie here.

00:57:18.360 All right.

00:57:18.600 Here we go.

00:57:20.040 On 26 September 2022, a series of clandestine bombings and subsequent underwater gas leaks occurred on these natural gas pipelines.

00:57:29.100 That was a very kind to the U.S. statement of that description.

00:57:32.800 The Nord Stream 1 and 2.

00:57:35.140 Absolutely.

00:57:35.920 Yeah, absolutely.

00:57:36.840 Let's just be, let's just call the fact the fact we did it.

00:57:39.180 We did it.

00:57:39.760 We did do it.

00:57:40.660 Can we all just say that on 3?

00:57:41.780 The bombings, let's just say we did it.

00:57:43.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:57:44.240 And I think it was a mistake.

00:57:45.780 Yeah.

00:57:46.200 I think we should be focusing more on-

00:57:48.920 Well, you think it was a mistake that we did it, or you think it was-

00:57:51.800 I think it was a mistake that we did it.

00:57:53.060 Oh, like, okay.

00:57:54.000 Gotcha.

00:57:54.060 Yeah, I think it was a mistake that we did.

00:57:55.160 We absolutely planned it and did it.

00:57:56.720 Yeah, it was intentional.

00:57:57.460 Yeah.

00:57:57.540 It was intentional.

00:57:58.800 I think that there's very little doubt about the fact that the U.S. and some combination

00:58:02.600 of the U.S. and Ukraine did that.

00:58:05.560 Yeah.

00:58:06.020 I think we need to be going in the other direction where we need to pull-

00:58:09.820 this is what's driving Russia further into China's arms, right?

00:58:14.220 Absolutely.

00:58:14.380 Because if Russia's not able to be integrated into the economic infrastructure of the West,

00:58:18.760 they're going to go to somebody else's infrastructure.

00:58:21.080 That's China.

00:58:22.240 Yeah, but dude, that's intentional.

00:58:24.220 Well, I mean, if you want to go to World War III, it's a great plan to get there.

00:58:28.100 Yeah, but if we have a compromised president who's calling plays like this-

00:58:31.940 Yeah, we do have a compromised president.

00:58:33.180 Yeah, and so then that's pushing Russia-

00:58:35.160 Just put yourself in Putin's shoes for a second, right?

00:58:38.760 Like, just imagine the tables are turned and forget it's not Putin because that's a bad

00:58:42.080 word that makes people stop being able to think straight, sort of like Trump, actually.

00:58:45.600 Just forget the label.

00:58:46.580 Say you're in his seat, okay?

00:58:49.860 Now you see the U.S. president-

00:58:51.840 So you're fighting a war against somebody, and the U.S. president's arming to the teeth

00:58:57.720 your enemy, and then you find out that that enemy has been funding the family, particularly

00:59:06.800 the unqualified son that couldn't get a job at-

00:59:11.120 McDonald's.

00:59:12.260 At a fast food chain or anything else.

00:59:13.660 I mean, that's generous.

00:59:14.720 I mean, McDonald's, he couldn't get a good job, period, in the United States.

00:59:18.700 Somehow finding one on the board of Burisma, a Ukrainian energy company that's affiliated

00:59:22.980 with the government-

00:59:24.000 That pays millions of dollars.

00:59:24.740 They're like, oh, this makes sense.

00:59:26.120 Like, they literally just bribed him to help them.

00:59:27.880 That's what you might say.

00:59:30.080 But the reality is, now the U.S. is going in the opposite direction, where Russia has

00:59:35.760 to turn to China, where we should be doing the opposite.

00:59:38.700 Do a deal with Russia that says we will reopen economic relations with Russia.

00:59:42.540 We will freeze the current lines of control in Ukraine.

00:59:45.920 We will make a hard commitment that NATO, which we told you, James Baker told Gorbachev in

00:59:51.960 1990, that NATO would not expand one inch, not one inch was his word, past Germany.

00:59:57.460 Well, we will stand by that commitment, at least now, even though we haven't so far.

01:00:00.780 We'll keep it now to say that Ukraine will not be admitted to NATO.

01:00:03.900 But in return, you got to get yourself out of the Chinese.

01:00:07.220 Getting out of that Russia-China partnership.

01:00:09.580 Yeah, that would make sense.

01:00:10.560 Military presence.

01:00:11.000 That would make a lot of sense.

01:00:11.880 That would make sense.

01:00:13.060 Like, it would make a lot of sense.

01:00:14.620 And yet, we're doing the exact opposite.

01:00:16.140 Yeah.

01:00:16.440 And how does that make sense?

01:00:17.940 Well, it makes sense because somebody's getting rich off of it.

01:00:20.020 That's correct.

01:00:20.580 The Biden family's getting rich off of it.

01:00:21.460 That's right.

01:00:21.780 They've sold off our foreign policy.

01:00:23.420 It's interesting how people keep saying, oh, that doesn't make sense.

01:00:26.220 Well, if you think about it just a little bit differently, it makes perfect sense.

01:00:28.640 It makes perfect sense.

01:00:29.420 Yeah.

01:00:29.820 Love it.

01:00:30.580 All right.

01:00:30.700 Andy, you're up.

01:00:32.280 We're tied right now.

01:00:33.260 A thousand, a thousand.

01:00:33.820 That's what we're trying to do.

01:00:34.840 Yeah.

01:00:35.140 All right.

01:00:36.100 Let's go for...

01:00:37.860 I want to stay on this COVID stuff because it's starting to get hot again.

01:00:41.640 Let's go for COVID for 800.

01:00:44.500 This type of medical research genetically alters an organism in a way that may enhance the biological

01:00:51.280 functions of gene products.

01:00:53.560 Oh.

01:00:54.340 What is gain-of-function research?

01:00:57.640 That's it.

01:00:58.240 Yeah.

01:00:58.540 Absolutely.

01:00:59.240 Yeah.

01:00:59.420 Gain-of-function.

01:01:00.840 So this...

01:01:01.560 That's good stuff, man.

01:01:03.240 That's sort of aligned with what you've been into, right?

01:01:06.560 Business, like biotech and things like that?

01:01:08.400 Yeah.

01:01:08.560 I mean, we weren't like creating viruses that create pandemics in the world.

01:01:11.040 No, no, no, no.

01:01:11.580 I know that.

01:01:12.580 I didn't mean it like that.

01:01:13.920 But you get what I'm saying.

01:01:14.400 But yeah, yeah.

01:01:14.900 I know this world.

01:01:15.520 Where I was going is...

01:01:16.480 I know this world.

01:01:17.200 You would have got this one.

01:01:18.300 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:18.940 And you know what?

01:01:19.600 We banned it in the United States and yet they still did it in China.

01:01:23.420 Dude.

01:01:23.760 And we funded it.

01:01:23.940 And then it comes back.

01:01:25.080 And rogue government agents, Fauci on down, funded it.

01:01:28.620 Funded it.

01:01:29.020 There's actually a good lesson to learn on AI, by the way.

01:01:31.580 So you think you banned something in the United States, if it happens in China, it's still

01:01:35.640 going to come back.

01:01:36.360 Right.

01:01:36.580 So there's an interesting parallel.

01:01:38.300 There is a hard discussion to have about AI.

01:01:40.580 Yeah.

01:01:40.880 A very difficult one.

01:01:42.000 And it's a hard problem to solve.

01:01:45.260 But let's talk about this COVID just for a second, because I want to get your take on

01:01:50.360 this.

01:01:50.760 Sure.

01:01:51.200 Now...

01:01:52.000 Undruthful.

01:01:53.400 It's my opinion...

01:01:54.200 Criminally liable.

01:01:54.760 It's my opinion that what has happened, you know, when we consider the big picture of

01:02:00.700 COVID and we look at all the things that we know now, we look at there's been gain of

01:02:06.620 function research.

01:02:07.760 We look at that, you know, they purposefully withheld effective therapeutics from being accepted

01:02:16.540 or talked about, or, you know, when they have Joe Rogan talking about ivermectin, they're

01:02:21.580 blasting him through the media.

01:02:23.000 They're not allowing people...

01:02:25.100 They're putting people in jail like America's frontline doctors for talking about hydroxychloroquine

01:02:29.520 and ivermectin.

01:02:30.780 My best friend had to watch his father die over a Zoom call.

01:02:35.420 All right?

01:02:36.120 So I feel very passionately about what's happened here.

01:02:38.940 And when I look at what's happened here, and then the transfer of wealth that was gone

01:02:45.000 gone along with it, basically the suppression of the middle class into more of a poverty

01:02:52.980 class...

01:02:53.780 Yep.

01:02:54.920 This is crimes against humanity.

01:02:56.980 All right?

01:02:57.160 I think so.

01:02:57.660 That's how I look at it.

01:02:58.840 And I think this is stuff...

01:03:00.420 There has to be accountability.

01:03:01.600 Very, very strong accountability.

01:03:03.360 And I heard you say on a show where you talked about putting down the weapons and not holding,

01:03:11.540 you know, not continuing to slit each other's throats.

01:03:14.320 If it's politicized.

01:03:15.560 Okay.

01:03:16.100 So do...

01:03:18.780 And listen, you tell me if you disagree, but I think examples need to be made.

01:03:23.840 I think that people should be held accountable in such a way that for 100, 200, 300 years,

01:03:30.960 people understand we do not do this to people.

01:03:33.460 We do not intentionally infect people with a virus.

01:03:36.740 We do not withheld or withhold their ability to treat the virus.

01:03:41.700 We do not transfer and shut down businesses from the middle class mom and pop to the biggest

01:03:47.200 companies in the world.

01:03:48.200 And I believe that everybody associated with this from the media, the key people now, the

01:03:55.420 media, Fauci, all these people who went along, the decision makers, deserve to be held accountable

01:04:03.860 and made examples of.

01:04:05.580 What's your opinion on that?

01:04:07.240 So I phrase it slightly differently.

01:04:08.820 Yeah.

01:04:09.360 I would less take the head on a stake approach because I never want to be them, right?

01:04:15.620 I just say one standard of the rule of law for everybody, no special exemptions.

01:04:21.260 And what we're seeing right now is there are special exemptions.

01:04:24.760 If anybody else did what Anthony Fauci did, literally intentionally violate a federal law

01:04:30.040 that then actually causes millions of Americans to die as a consequence of that decision,

01:04:35.680 they would be held accountable under the law.

01:04:38.040 So I think it's simpler, which is just apply one standard of the rule of law to everybody,

01:04:44.260 period.

01:04:44.740 Period.

01:04:45.300 That's it.

01:04:46.240 And if you're convicted in a court of law pursuant to that standard of law, you will

01:04:49.740 be punished to the proper full extent of that law.

01:04:52.880 So you're just saying follow the law.

01:04:54.480 Follow the law.

01:04:55.360 It's that simple.

01:04:56.280 And so I want to the thing I want us to caution against is what are they doing against Trump

01:05:01.160 right now?

01:05:01.660 Right.

01:05:01.900 It's sort of the old style.

01:05:02.920 No, I get what you're saying.

01:05:03.800 Find the man.

01:05:04.520 I'll find the offense.

01:05:05.460 You don't want the pendulum to swing back the other way.

01:05:07.540 It's not like a pendulum thing.

01:05:08.540 It's just like I will never lead a Justice Department that says, find the man, then find

01:05:14.820 the offense.

01:05:15.920 No.

01:05:16.380 But if we find an offense, then we're going to hold the man or the woman accountable

01:05:19.640 for it.

01:05:20.420 And that's what we need in this country.

01:05:21.680 So the rule of law, and that means that absolutely Anthony Fauci, I believe on the facts we currently

01:05:27.180 have, is criminally liable.

01:05:29.560 Yeah.

01:05:30.200 I'm never going to be the other side and say that's preordained, but it better be investigated,

01:05:33.260 go to a full court of law, and if he's convicted, no way he's getting a pardon on that either.

01:05:37.420 He has to serve the time for what he did for this country.

01:05:40.240 But I stand for the rule of law, and I want to make sure that we never become them.

01:05:44.280 I get that.

01:05:45.140 I think we differ there.

01:05:46.580 Do we differ, though?

01:05:47.220 Yeah, we do a little bit, because I believe this is an exceptional, extraordinary experience

01:05:53.520 that we've all been through.

01:05:54.460 You've never been through this in your entire life.

01:05:56.320 Because they broke the law.

01:05:57.420 That's my point.

01:05:58.020 Yeah, I know, and I understand that.

01:06:00.520 Yeah.

01:06:00.940 But millions of people died.

01:06:04.280 So here's where I'm at on that, though.

01:06:05.500 Millions of people lost their life's work.

01:06:08.000 Livelihoods, yep.

01:06:08.480 Right?

01:06:09.300 And I both know, how much did you pay to be where you were?

01:06:13.520 I gave everything, dude.

01:06:14.600 I've given everything.

01:06:16.000 And it...

01:06:17.220 When I think of what's happened, I think of it no different than the accountability that

01:06:21.540 needed to be had in Nuremberg.

01:06:22.920 And a generation of kids who will never be the same.

01:06:25.480 So I think...

01:06:25.980 Oh, yeah.

01:06:26.480 I mean, that's okay.

01:06:26.980 I think, first of all, we should hold China accountable.

01:06:29.040 Yeah.

01:06:29.160 I mean, there's an intentionality of this from China's side, too.

01:06:32.160 They intentionally...

01:06:33.000 Yeah, but there's an argument that we did it.

01:06:34.120 Well, there's accountability for Fauci.

01:06:36.780 Yeah.

01:06:36.980 I think that this should be criminally investigated.

01:06:38.540 Russia...

01:06:39.260 Putin just submitted a 2,000-page document to NATO saying that the United States did it out of Ukraine,

01:06:45.820 not out of Wuhan.

01:06:47.100 Is that right?

01:06:47.660 Yeah.

01:06:48.180 Very interesting.

01:06:48.900 That's in there somewhere.

01:06:49.780 Yeah.

01:06:50.140 So we don't know yet who did it.

01:06:52.780 So...

01:06:53.140 But the reality is, get to the bottom of it.

01:06:54.600 Yeah.

01:06:54.920 Hold them accountable.

01:06:56.120 Apply the law.

01:06:56.880 Yeah.

01:06:57.120 That's what I said.

01:06:57.400 I don't want to make up the law.

01:06:58.360 Apply the law.

01:06:59.080 We have laws in this country that reckless government officials intentionally disregarded.

01:07:04.580 Now you have China.

01:07:05.240 So you believe in accountability?

01:07:06.140 I believe in accountability.

01:07:07.260 Okay.

01:07:08.000 Full accountability under the law.

01:07:09.860 I believe in heads on stakes, rotting on the White House lawn for 1,000 fucking years

01:07:14.840 for people to see and know that we do not do this to people.

01:07:18.500 And for me, being that mean in prison is good enough.

01:07:20.220 Okay.

01:07:20.420 That's what I would say.

01:07:20.960 That's cool.

01:07:21.440 Yeah.

01:07:22.160 All right.

01:07:23.380 If that happens, I'm not going to be mad about it.

01:07:26.700 Yeah.

01:07:27.040 All right.

01:07:27.300 There we go.

01:07:27.680 We'll say that.

01:07:28.420 Yeah.

01:07:28.940 Yeah.

01:07:29.180 Let's keep going.

01:07:30.060 All right.

01:07:30.900 No.

01:07:31.960 Oh, yeah.

01:07:32.200 It's my turn?

01:07:32.620 Okay.

01:07:32.780 Got it.

01:07:33.620 Let's do...

01:07:34.460 The COVID narratives are a good narrative.

01:07:35.460 I mean, there's a lot.

01:07:35.900 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:07:36.300 Let's do...

01:07:37.420 Which ones haven't we done?

01:07:39.120 Let's do Bidenomics for...

01:07:41.220 What did you just do?

01:07:41.880 800?

01:07:42.340 Yeah.

01:07:42.720 Let's do Bidenomics for 800.

01:07:45.860 This quickly erodes the real value of local currency as the prices of all goods,

01:07:51.580 increase, causing people to minimize their holdings in that currency as they usually

01:07:55.820 switch to more stable foreign currencies.

01:07:58.700 Hmm.

01:07:58.960 So, it could be a couple of different things you could say here.

01:08:00.600 You could say inflation, because that definitely is something that erodes the real value of

01:08:05.080 local currency.

01:08:06.200 Let's go with inflation.

01:08:07.500 Inflation?

01:08:08.220 Yeah.

01:08:09.540 Andy, you want to try?

01:08:16.180 Three seconds.

01:08:17.800 I'm reading it.

01:08:19.160 I mean, inflation does do that, but...

01:08:21.680 Yeah, I would say it was inflation as well.

01:08:23.920 Okay.

01:08:24.400 Well, the answer we were looking for was hyperinflation.

01:08:26.700 Okay.

01:08:27.620 Come on.

01:08:28.800 Listen.

01:08:29.240 Come on.

01:08:30.140 Hey.

01:08:31.580 All right.

01:08:32.360 I mean, just saying.

01:08:33.160 All right.

01:08:33.880 Just saying, Alex.

01:08:34.840 I mean, inflation would be a correct answer, but hyperinflation is also a correct answer.

01:08:37.500 Yeah.

01:08:37.740 I mean, yeah.

01:08:38.520 Yeah.

01:08:38.880 You know what I'm saying?

01:08:39.220 I like this guy, though.

01:08:39.800 It's a small difference.

01:08:40.680 It's a small difference.

01:08:41.540 He's all right.

01:08:43.600 Let's get back to it.

01:08:44.520 Let's try...

01:08:44.860 You want to take another shot?

01:08:46.060 Yeah, sure.

01:08:46.600 Let's do...

01:08:48.600 What should we say?

01:08:50.440 Crime in America for 800.

01:08:52.420 Okay.

01:08:52.680 Crime in America for 800.

01:08:54.920 This horrendous, violent crime happens when an attacker kills or injures multiple individuals

01:09:00.680 simultaneously while using a firearm.

01:09:03.500 Mass shooting.

01:09:04.120 Yeah, of course.

01:09:04.740 Absolutely.

01:09:05.220 Mass shooting.

01:09:05.560 Let's talk about this a little bit because we've been seeing upticks in this country.

01:09:11.480 What do we got on it?

01:09:12.440 I think we got a mental health epidemic in this country.

01:09:16.840 I mean, I think we know how to deal with this.

01:09:19.100 We have a giant wave of violent crime in this country.

01:09:23.780 Let's just confront that right now.

01:09:25.900 We know how to address it.

01:09:28.460 More cops on the streets.

01:09:30.560 Not...

01:09:31.180 I mean, I'm going to say on the streets.

01:09:31.880 I mean, like, literally walking the streets.

01:09:33.620 Able to do their jobs without looking over their shoulders for fear of getting sued for

01:09:39.960 doing their jobs.

01:09:41.500 And the second thing is bring back mental health institutions because over the same period that

01:09:47.960 we've seen the shuttering of mental health institutions, we have seen a direct rise in

01:09:51.680 violent crime.

01:09:52.780 Now, I'm not in favor of mental health institutions that drug people up.

01:09:57.400 Do lobotomies.

01:09:57.620 Do lobotomies.

01:09:58.240 Seroquel and Zoloft, and I don't want the one who flew over the cuckoo's nest kind of

01:10:02.580 stuff here.

01:10:03.760 But temporary involuntary commitments for psychiatrically ill people who pose a danger

01:10:09.380 to their communities, bringing that back with, by the way, faith-based approaches that restore

01:10:14.340 purpose.

01:10:15.040 Do this in a way that does not rely on the pharmaceutical industrial complex.

01:10:18.380 We know how to get this done.

01:10:21.400 Do we have the fortitude to do it?

01:10:23.020 Those are politically incorrect things.

01:10:25.040 Cops walking the street, ensuring law and order, making sure that they can't be sued for

01:10:30.140 just simply doing their job that easily, and bringing back mental health institutions,

01:10:34.580 including faith-based approaches, including some measure of involuntary commitment for

01:10:39.080 psychiatrically ill people who pose a physical danger to their communities.

01:10:42.200 That's how we address the problem.

01:10:43.220 We know how to do it.

01:10:44.260 We've done it before.

01:10:45.360 We've done it before.

01:10:46.320 Question is, do we have the spine to actually do it?

01:10:47.940 I do, but that's what it's going to take.

01:10:49.560 Here's another problem, though.

01:10:51.340 The Soros-funded prosecutors of-

01:10:55.800 They're not prosecuting.

01:10:56.760 Bro.

01:10:57.820 We have one here.

01:10:58.560 Yeah, we did.

01:10:59.300 Right here in St. Louis.

01:11:00.200 Really?

01:11:00.420 And they do not-

01:11:02.160 So they've demoralized the police in all of these cities because they will not prosecute

01:11:09.020 crime at all.

01:11:11.080 And dude, this is another rub for you.

01:11:13.340 You know, people talk about the Soros scholarship that you accepted.

01:11:16.800 Let's talk about that for a second.

01:11:20.120 Explain that because, dude, George Soros-

01:11:23.520 Is a disaster.

01:11:24.980 Yes.

01:11:25.560 He's a criminal, dude.

01:11:27.160 So George Soros in about 2016, that's when his, coincided with the Trump administration,

01:11:32.320 it's not a coincidence, started funding his soft-on-crime prosecutors, and I've been

01:11:35.400 a big critic of it, and we've got to put it to an end.

01:11:37.100 To be clear, George Soros has actually been, and his investment partners have been funding

01:11:42.020 people on both sides of the political aisle.

01:11:43.740 There's, I'm not going to, you know, call out individuals here, but there's another individual

01:11:48.040 in this presidential campaign who, this June, hosted a fundraiser hosted by George Soros'

01:11:52.680 investment partners.

01:11:54.020 Another candidate has received $160 million loan directly from George Soros.

01:11:58.620 So it makes me laugh when those people's opposition research operations say that I got a Soros scholarship.

01:12:05.180 Let's just set one thing straight.

01:12:07.600 Nothing to do with George Soros.

01:12:09.160 I have zero tie with George Soros other than being a critic of his.

01:12:13.600 George Soros has a relative, Paul Soros, who made his money independently, who is long

01:12:18.340 dead, who, back in 2010, was one of the funders of a generic scholarship that, at the age of 24,

01:12:26.180 I applied for and won.

01:12:28.340 Helped me pay for law school, $50,000 or whatever it was, for two semesters of law school.

01:12:33.440 Hundreds of kids win it, your 20s, and back in 2010, long before even the prosecutor wave

01:12:39.940 that we're talking about here, some guy with the same last name, Soros, who's a relative

01:12:43.800 of this other guy, George Soros, yes, was one of the funders of a generic scholarship

01:12:47.020 that I won, and I would have had to, at the age of 24, go into law school.

01:12:52.580 Like, the politics of that, it's just, like, not going through my head.

01:12:55.200 There's a merit-based scholarship.

01:12:56.720 It allows you to, in part, pay for law school.

01:13:00.780 You would have had to be a fool.

01:13:02.700 I would have had to be an idiot not to apply for and win that scholarship, and honestly,

01:13:07.980 anybody who would have done that probably has no business doing trade deals from the White

01:13:11.840 House on behalf of this country.

01:13:13.100 But the fact of the matter is, you know what, would a guy like me saying the things that

01:13:18.480 I am saying now be able to, you know, win something like that now?

01:13:21.820 No.

01:13:22.460 But who cares?

01:13:23.400 I've made it.

01:13:24.320 I understand how to get ahead in this country.

01:13:26.440 Didn't have any strings attached.

01:13:27.820 If it did, nobody's going to put a muzzle on me, tell me what I can and can't say.

01:13:31.460 I think people are afraid.

01:13:32.500 But the fact of the matter is, you know, it's a disaster.

01:13:34.500 I think this goes back to the Obama, the shit we talked about earlier.

01:13:38.200 I think people are afraid that you're going to get in there and then kind of change tune.

01:13:45.620 You know what I'm saying?

01:13:46.100 I think people, people, people are so under, for me, it is so, I mean, like, my first reaction

01:13:52.340 is to like laugh.

01:13:53.180 Hold on one second.

01:13:53.920 They're so sensitive.

01:13:54.900 But I get it.

01:13:55.520 Yeah, they're so sensitive because, dude, we've all witnessed what these people have done.

01:14:00.340 Totally.

01:14:00.740 And we're all, and it's not going under the radar anymore.

01:14:03.140 Like, people are now like, okay, anything World Economic Forum, no.

01:14:06.760 Yes, that's correct.

01:14:07.780 Anything Soros, no.

01:14:08.840 Alex Soros, no.

01:14:10.120 George Soros, Rick, fucking Soros Soros, no.

01:14:13.500 No Soros.

01:14:14.360 Like, that's where people are at.

01:14:16.340 And so-

01:14:16.820 That's where people should be at right now.

01:14:18.960 So, I'm trying to, the reason I'm asking these questions is because I want to get my-

01:14:24.140 So, Donald Trump, shortly before running for office, took a $160 million loan from George

01:14:29.400 Soros.

01:14:29.940 Should that be disqualifying of Donald Trump?

01:14:32.040 My opinion on that, no.

01:14:33.780 Because he's a businessman.

01:14:34.760 Well, no one does talk about that.

01:14:36.480 No one does talk about it.

01:14:37.260 But, just talk about facts, let's talk about facts.

01:14:39.460 Right.

01:14:39.820 Right.

01:14:40.100 Shortly before running, you know, in his adult life as a businessman, takes a $160 million

01:14:44.380 loan.

01:14:45.300 Do I hold that against him?

01:14:46.280 No.

01:14:46.520 Do I think the people should hold that against him?

01:14:47.900 No.

01:14:48.240 Because it's guided by what he's going to do.

01:14:50.440 If that came with strings attached to say what you must do in government, different story.

01:14:54.240 But we know it doesn't.

01:14:55.960 You know, Ron DeSantis, even.

01:14:57.440 You know, George Soros has been praising Ron DeSantis during this race, saying he wants to win

01:15:01.040 this primary.

01:15:02.180 Hosted, an investment partner of George Soros this June, hosted a fundraiser for Ron DeSantis.

01:15:07.680 Is that a problem?

01:15:08.400 I don't have all the answers to say whether that is or is not a problem.

01:15:11.480 I haven't been hitting him over it, but I don't have the facts to say that's a problem.

01:15:15.160 People should decide.

01:15:16.520 I've been very transparent about it.

01:15:17.920 There is a generic scholarship funded by a relative of George Soros, who is long dead

01:15:24.620 in 2010.

01:15:26.340 It's his brother, right?

01:15:27.260 Yeah.

01:15:27.480 It's his brother who made his money independently.

01:15:29.100 And so if you're 24, you're like, oh, by the way, did I know about George Soros's liberal

01:15:35.220 agendas back then?

01:15:36.040 No.

01:15:36.560 In fact, when did George Soros start funding these soft-time crime prosecutors?

01:15:39.800 2016.

01:15:40.320 So in 24, at the age of 24, if you're in 2010, saying that, hey, there's an opportunity for

01:15:46.080 you win 50,000 bucks.

01:15:47.100 And actually, I haven't told this story before.

01:15:48.620 Literally, here's how I heard about it.

01:15:50.220 There are a bunch of people in law school that first year, 1L fall, talking about it.

01:15:53.700 They're like, oh my God, the deadline's Monday for the scholarship.

01:15:55.560 I'm like, oh, what's that?

01:15:56.700 They're like, there's the scholarship.

01:15:57.600 You can win 50,000 bucks.

01:15:58.700 I said, oh, that's cool.

01:15:59.640 The deadline was on Monday.

01:16:01.040 I heard about it on Friday.

01:16:02.060 These people have been preparing for weeks.

01:16:03.700 I said, how long does it take to fill out?

01:16:04.940 They're like, oh, there's this application.

01:16:06.100 I said, I'll do it on that Sunday.

01:16:07.940 It turned it in.

01:16:09.340 Win the scholarship for 50,000 bucks at the age of 24?

01:16:12.260 Yeah, you take it.

01:16:12.960 Like, that's the answer.

01:16:14.900 And so, like I said, people, my job is to tell you who I am and what I stand for.

01:16:18.520 We have a country to save.

01:16:20.680 And so, if that is really going to hold you up, like on that set of facts, when we got

01:16:25.980 it, we have a serious job to do.

01:16:27.160 Pick who's going to lead this country next.

01:16:28.660 It probably would also have hold you up from picking Donald Trump for taking $160 million

01:16:32.240 loan from George.

01:16:33.460 Yeah, it's interesting.

01:16:33.920 Probably hold you up from Ron DeSantis.

01:16:35.000 I've never actually heard that.

01:16:35.700 But, facts.

01:16:37.640 I've seen it, but I was never able to verify it.

01:16:40.180 It's interesting.

01:16:41.000 Yeah, it's facts.

01:16:41.380 It's interesting that no one talks about that.

01:16:43.220 But my point is, have all the facts and then make a decision.

01:16:46.460 Yeah.

01:16:47.040 I think it's a fair answer.

01:16:48.480 Yeah.

01:16:49.860 Well, who's trying to say?

01:16:50.880 I mean, it's just the truth.

01:16:51.700 Hey, look, dude.

01:16:52.280 It's on you.

01:16:52.720 I'm going to ask questions.

01:16:54.140 You know what I'm saying?

01:16:54.240 Yeah, you should, man.

01:16:54.900 Yeah.

01:16:55.500 And everybody should.

01:16:56.640 And I've probably answered this one 20 some odd times.

01:17:00.140 But that's okay, because not everybody hears it every time we have a website that we

01:17:03.260 just put up.

01:17:03.700 It was a good suggestion somebody gave us.

01:17:05.020 I just think we're dealing with a very-

01:17:06.380 So, he said, all right, here's all the-

01:17:08.220 And people should ask the questions.

01:17:10.060 Yeah.

01:17:10.520 But read it for yourself.

01:17:11.500 Decide for yourself.

01:17:12.240 Our trust has been violated.

01:17:13.520 Our trust and belief-

01:17:15.380 Repeatedly.

01:17:15.640 Repeatedly.

01:17:16.000 Yeah, dude.

01:17:16.780 And we've been-

01:17:18.240 We see the people come on TV every day and fucking lie to us, dude.

01:17:24.600 Straight to our face.

01:17:25.080 Look at the White House spokespeople the entire time Biden's been in office.

01:17:29.860 Look at the media.

01:17:31.000 Look at these fucking people.

01:17:32.140 These people go on TV and they fucking lie to our faces every single day.

01:17:37.620 And so people-

01:17:38.720 Like, we're at the point now where everybody's like, we're living in a true banana republic.

01:17:43.780 This is total lies.

01:17:44.920 It's Orwell's 1984.

01:17:47.080 And their trust for anything is just none.

01:17:50.960 So, and I appreciate the fact that you say so openly, like, they should be skeptical.

01:17:55.560 They should.

01:17:56.140 Because that is true.

01:17:56.960 Let's just go through the list because I grew up in this, right?

01:17:59.040 Lied about Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11.

01:18:01.040 Yeah.

01:18:01.560 Lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

01:18:03.820 Lied about the 2008 financial crisis bailout justification.

01:18:06.820 Lied about who killed Kennedy.

01:18:08.240 You just keep going down there.

01:18:10.640 The Hunter Biden laptop story.

01:18:12.440 The Trump-Russia collusion hoax.

01:18:13.800 The origin of COVID.

01:18:14.920 Yeah.

01:18:15.180 I mean, you just keep going down those hours.

01:18:17.180 Yeah, dude.

01:18:17.260 Our money's being spent in Ukraine.

01:18:18.600 So, I get it.

01:18:20.140 I mean, my best advice is be skeptical about everybody.

01:18:22.880 Be skeptical about me.

01:18:24.020 We've got to.

01:18:24.520 It's the only way forward as a country.

01:18:26.220 But we've got to place our bets on how we're going to do this.

01:18:28.620 And I think I know where I'm at.

01:18:30.700 Yeah.

01:18:30.900 And even if I was in the shoes of somebody else looking at the outside and at me, would I be a little skeptical at first?

01:18:36.540 Maybe I'd be skeptical of everybody.

01:18:38.120 But I think I'm the best bet we've got.

01:18:40.140 And that's why I'm in this race.

01:18:41.060 I think you are saying, I think what you're saying for most people is exactly what they want to hear.

01:18:47.660 I think that's super refreshing.

01:18:49.200 Dude, listen.

01:18:49.780 When I saw you raise your hand on TV about the Ukraine thing or when I saw you say, hey, we shouldn't be giving money to other countries.

01:18:57.380 And then you have people saying, oh, well, you know, Israel's our biggest ally.

01:19:01.640 We need Israel.

01:19:02.500 No, we're America, dude.

01:19:04.000 We are Americans.

01:19:05.360 We are taking care of Americans.

01:19:07.320 We have bad American problems right now.

01:19:09.820 And until those are fixed, we shouldn't be doing anything with anybody else.

01:19:14.100 Like, I don't know if anybody's noticed, and probably not, because 98% of Americans haven't ever traveled to Europe or anywhere else.

01:19:21.460 But when you go into the cities of this country versus the cities of other countries, guess who the third world country is?

01:19:29.620 It's not them.

01:19:30.880 It's us.

01:19:31.420 Go to Kensington in the middle of Philadelphia, right?

01:19:34.000 I've gone to India growing up.

01:19:35.780 We've seen, I mean, we didn't have toilets.

01:19:37.640 We'd squat on the ground.

01:19:38.580 We'd get sick every time where we go.

01:19:40.260 Like, that's what that looked like.

01:19:41.100 I have not seen a place worse.

01:19:42.900 And that was India in the 90s.

01:19:43.980 It's not even India today.

01:19:45.440 I've been to Kensington two months ago.

01:19:47.360 I haven't seen a third world nation as bad as Kensington in the middle of Philadelphia today in the United States.

01:19:53.740 And so that's just, you know what?

01:19:56.500 What I raised my hand for saying that I would support.

01:19:58.080 These people are Americans.

01:19:59.060 These are Americans.

01:20:00.040 Where I would pardon Trump or whether what I would do in Ukraine, I mean, I've lost serious potential backing over it.

01:20:06.580 Yeah.

01:20:07.000 So, you know, think about that when you think about whether I mean what I'm saying.

01:20:11.000 Yeah, look, dude.

01:20:11.540 It's like over the context of, you know, people say, well, are you just saying that to get, look, I'm not losing serious money in terms of potential donations over this.

01:20:19.200 But you be the judge.

01:20:20.260 And that's the judge of who you want as your next president.

01:20:22.600 Do you want someone who's saying the wrong things or somebody who's saying the right things?

01:20:25.200 Someone who's saying the right things is your best darn bet of who's actually going to get it done.

01:20:27.580 I don't even think it's the right things.

01:20:28.220 I think it's what the truth is.

01:20:29.580 It's the truth.

01:20:30.180 And sometimes people aren't going to like the truth.

01:20:31.560 Totally.

01:20:31.880 And that's reality.

01:20:33.100 You know, I can appreciate the candor very much.

01:20:36.340 That's what we're founded on.

01:20:37.220 Is it your turn?

01:20:37.840 Yeah.

01:20:37.920 Sandy's turn.

01:20:38.360 Is it my turn?

01:20:38.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:20:39.460 Let's go with deep, deep state for a thousand.

01:20:44.340 Deep, deep state for a thousand.

01:20:46.800 This man allegedly ran an underground CIA operation that used blackmail and pedophilia to influence and affect change.

01:20:55.540 Who is Jeffrey Epstein?

01:20:58.200 No.

01:20:58.680 What?

01:20:59.460 No, yeah, it's just Jeffrey Epstein.

01:21:00.300 Hey, you fuckers.

01:21:02.480 What?

01:21:03.200 Dude, for heart's sake.

01:21:04.980 Listen, man, I'm a fucking winner.

01:21:06.820 You can't do that shit to me.

01:21:09.420 Yeah, it's Jeffrey Epstein, man.

01:21:12.300 Yeah, I mean, listen.

01:21:15.940 What do you really think the whole Epstein Island thing?

01:21:18.940 Like, I mean, we can do tinfoils if we need to.

01:21:21.820 I don't know if they're necessary at this point.

01:21:23.540 But, like.

01:21:24.420 I don't think it's tinfoil anymore.

01:21:26.100 That's what I'm saying.

01:21:26.780 Enough shit is out.

01:21:27.560 Enough shit is real, yeah.

01:21:28.100 Enough stuff is out.

01:21:28.820 What is your genuine take on the Epstein Island situation?

01:21:32.780 So, I think that there, it's kind of what it looks like.

01:21:37.280 You think it's what it looks like?

01:21:38.460 It's what it looks like, which is that he was the dealer for a lot of men to do what they could afford to pay for.

01:21:49.140 And it was just a quiet understanding that this is how the game works.

01:21:54.020 It's people on both sides of the political aisle, people across the business world.

01:21:58.840 And they knew that if he was in prison and he had a chance to get out, that that was a serious risk.

01:22:06.360 I mean, if you think about, like, Bill Gates, it looks like he got divorced over it, right?

01:22:10.360 I mean, look, they're sweeping under the rug for that.

01:22:12.260 Allegedly, yeah.

01:22:12.760 Right?

01:22:13.120 And so, no, I mean, they're not allegedly on that.

01:22:14.900 I mean, his wife has been very clear.

01:22:17.020 So, she said straight up.

01:22:18.160 She said.

01:22:18.520 She said straight up that was his relationship with Epstein.

01:22:20.520 Now, she didn't say it was going to the islands or anything.

01:22:22.360 Yeah.

01:22:22.500 But she said, Bill Gates' like, bizarrely allegiant relationship to Jeffrey Epstein was part of what drove his divorce.

01:22:31.180 So, this is like nobody in, I mean, not nobody, but the.

01:22:35.560 There are a lot of people ensnared at the highest levels of business and politics and international governance in what is really just a base human instinct that Jeffrey Epstein was peddling to me, which was sex.

01:22:50.480 Now, about the, you know, the underage elements of this or whatever, I mean, I haven't dived deep into the ugly, sordid nature of this.

01:22:57.400 I started watching the documentary.

01:22:58.440 I just couldn't take it.

01:22:59.120 It didn't make me, made me feel god-awful.

01:23:01.160 And so, I just said, turn it off.

01:23:01.980 I'm going to watch something else.

01:23:03.320 But it is what meets the eye.

01:23:04.760 Now, that guy dies.

01:23:07.120 It's interesting that he tells, supposedly, his brother, who comes out and says that they were describing him as suicidal, but in fact, his brother's telling him that he's not suicidal.

01:23:17.940 This is before he dies.

01:23:18.880 And then the guy turns up dead.

01:23:21.440 Oh, and then the cameras are out.

01:23:22.920 The cameras are out at subway shooting.

01:23:24.860 The cameras are out at Uvalde.

01:23:26.260 I actually think, you know who I think did a pretty good segment on this, which I thought was interesting and asked the right questions?

01:23:31.120 Because there's always, like, you can make up, like, a lot of narratives, but I prefer to stay grounded to fact.

01:23:37.040 Tucker Carlson actually did a pretty good job of this.

01:23:39.520 I want to say it was earlier this year before he, you know, before his TV show ended.

01:23:43.960 Before he met Fox, yeah.

01:23:44.400 It was a pretty good evidence-based segment that pointed to the fact that the supposed investigation never really investigated the possibility that it was somebody on the floor, right?

01:23:58.280 It's somebody else, a different person, or potentially even prisoner or guard on the same floor that did the deed, right?

01:24:05.620 The investigation found that nobody came into the prison, okay, but then you create enough of a smoke screen that attracts the lightning rod.

01:24:11.680 You haven't just eliminated every possibility, but you use that possibility to create a deflection.

01:24:16.720 It's kind of what they're doing with the Hunter Biden gun charges, right?

01:24:19.160 The unlawful possession charges.

01:24:20.480 We're going after him.

01:24:21.820 Maybe he was a cocaine user, and he didn't write that as an application for the firearm.

01:24:25.360 What do they know?

01:24:25.900 There's a bunch of public anger at this situation.

01:24:28.860 It's like lightning in the air.

01:24:29.980 It needs a lightning rod.

01:24:31.440 Make that the lightning rod, and then hopefully the real thing goes away.

01:24:35.260 Yeah, because nobody else even-

01:24:36.120 That's the trick they use repeatedly, so I think they use that trick here with the supposed investigation of whether somebody came in through the front door.

01:24:41.640 They said, no, we have security footage around the perimeter, and nobody came in or out.

01:24:45.240 Well, that doesn't eliminate the possibility that there's still somebody-

01:24:48.920 Because there's a lot of people inside.

01:24:50.300 Right.

01:24:50.960 And so to deduce from that that he killed himself is a big leap to ask people to believe, and especially against the circumstances.

01:24:56.680 I just think that one of the things I've said is, look, when I'm U.S. president, we will release the client list.

01:25:02.160 I don't care who's on there.

01:25:03.780 Republican, Democrat, doesn't matter.

01:25:05.660 We've got to roll that log over.

01:25:07.280 Every log that has been festering with something underneath it, roll the log over, see what crawls out.

01:25:12.020 That is the only way we're going to rebuild public trust in this country.

01:25:14.740 Yeah, I believe-

01:25:15.500 Gotta see it.

01:25:16.080 My opinion on this Epstein stuff is, and I've talked to, listen, there's a lot of, you've talked to some of these guys too, who have spent time in these agencies, who understand what Epstein was really about.

01:25:29.740 And the reason that they are not throwing a lot of these people under the bus is because they are actually using these people to leverage public opinion through their influence.

01:25:41.520 And so you have people who own major social media platforms implicated in this.

01:25:46.500 You have people who own media outlets-

01:25:48.480 Totally.

01:25:48.820 Implicated in this.

01:25:49.700 And they are using the blackmail to steer the public narrative and the public marketing and make trends.

01:25:59.620 And then they're using, like in big tech, you know, bot networks and fake profiles and censorship and then limitation of reach to create these.

01:26:09.860 This is why I said earlier, I don't think the people are with any of this stuff.

01:26:13.380 No.

01:26:13.720 It's nonsense.

01:26:13.920 Like when you were talking about the Ukraine flags and the trans flags.

01:26:17.640 It's like, dude, they make it appear that people are with it.

01:26:21.860 But the reality is, is when we go out here in the real world, who's really with it?

01:26:25.800 There's a tiny little percentage of people that show up.

01:26:28.480 And that percentage is getting less and less and less by the day.

01:26:32.200 You know, it's not 2020 where hundreds of millions of people fell for one of these psyop operas.

01:26:38.280 Totally.

01:26:38.780 Right.

01:26:39.420 Now people are starting to wake up.

01:26:41.080 And that's a good thing.

01:26:42.280 Absolutely, bro.

01:26:42.960 Yeah, that's a good thing.

01:26:43.620 Absolutely.

01:26:43.880 And that's, I think that's one of the great services of, you know, the Trump years expose the corruption of the media, expose the corruption of an establishment that now we know, at least we're not going to just be blind parrots that parrot out whatever we're fed.

01:27:00.900 Now the next frontier is don't be anybody's blind parrot, because it's not just going to be the mainstream media that feeds you those lies.

01:27:07.380 And one of the things I've learned is when you're in that situation where you have lost your trust in, say, mainstream media or mainstream politicians, it goes back to that void, right?

01:27:19.000 You still have a void.

01:27:20.420 Don't let something else fill that void either.

01:27:22.860 So I'm not, people call us a conspiracy theorist.

01:27:25.480 No, I'm not actually a conspiracy theorist.

01:27:26.760 I'm driven by facts and data.

01:27:28.600 And if those facts and data defect from what the traditional orthodoxy is, great.

01:27:34.560 But if those facts and actual details lead me away from whatever a tantalizing conspiracy narrative would be that might be more fun to pursue, no, I'm still going to stay tethered to what's true.

01:27:45.180 And the Epstein case, it's not that they engineered the cameras from the outside.

01:27:48.800 I mean, I don't have any evidence to suggest that.

01:27:50.920 But it might not have come from the outside.

01:27:54.940 And the fact that they deflected all of the attention over there says that you still got to ask the basic questions that haven't been asked.

01:28:01.720 And I think the public at this point deserves to know who's on that client list.

01:28:04.920 I'll publish it when I'm president.

01:28:06.640 I love it.

01:28:07.640 The DOJ has it.

01:28:08.320 What's your opinion on declassification of intelligence?

01:28:11.520 I think it should be much more quick than it is today.

01:28:13.100 The 20-year justification is just made up.

01:28:16.720 I mean, if you look at the declassification of those documents around what we knew about Saudi Arabia's involvement in 9-11, it came 20 years later.

01:28:25.760 Yeah.

01:28:26.200 20 years too late after the government already lied about it.

01:28:29.320 It's almost like that Pfizer thing where they try to hold that report for 70 years.

01:28:34.800 It's just they're trying to stonewall you into saying that nobody's going to care and filibuster it.

01:28:39.620 In some sense, they're right.

01:28:40.660 It works.

01:28:41.340 I think the declassification regime needs to change dramatically.

01:28:46.160 I also think this entire invocation of national security as a justification for more or less doing anything is god-awful.

01:28:54.020 I think the FISA is a Section 7 of the Act that allows wiretapping on any conversation that you have with somebody who isn't a U.S. citizen without a warrant is a bastardization of the Fourth Amendment in the Constitution of the United States.

01:29:09.220 And so I have pretty strong, when it comes to the national security establishment's overreach, pretty strong libertarian instincts that I'm going to abide by in the way I lead this country.

01:29:18.920 When we keep coming back to trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, trust, that's a big problem for American people right now.

01:29:26.580 I truly believe that one of the only ways that we can get trust back is through accountability and declassification of information in real time.

01:29:35.400 The truth.

01:29:36.200 Just get to the truth.

01:29:37.240 So one thing I've said that I would do in my first month in office is any time a government official has pressured a private actor to do something that the government official couldn't do directly, we will publish it for the world to see.

01:29:52.120 That's what Elon did with the Twitter files.

01:29:53.840 That's one company.

01:29:55.760 Right.

01:29:56.340 And we saw how ugly that was.

01:29:59.000 I actually wrote about this in January of 2021.

01:30:02.880 I wrote an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal with a former law professor of mine saying that what's really happening is the government is using a combination of carrots and sticks, threats and inducements to get social media companies to silence content that otherwise would have been constitutionally permissible.

01:30:19.160 For sure.

01:30:19.380 They said at the time that's a conspiracy theory.

01:30:20.800 The reality is far worse than we ever imagined.

01:30:25.220 Even the politicians are missing the point, bro.

01:30:27.420 The politicians are missing the point completely.

01:30:29.380 So one of the things, principle number one is transparency and we don't need Congress to do it.

01:30:33.480 So we will just instruct every government agency on pain of penalty that they have to at least publish, roll the log over, see what crawls out, bring the pesticide.

01:30:44.220 And I think that's the way we need the next president to act.

01:30:46.000 Yeah, there needs to be real regulation around the censorship issues that come from social media.

01:30:52.940 Senator Eric Schmidt from Missouri was on the show a few weeks ago.

01:30:56.040 Good guy.

01:30:56.580 Oh, great guy.

01:30:57.860 Real guy.

01:30:59.240 A real guy that really cares.

01:31:00.720 And Eric has been fighting against big tech.

01:31:05.460 As you know, he's been filing the lawsuits.

01:31:07.060 Now, one of the things that nobody talks about is how they actually censor.

01:31:13.440 They talk about how they just put a warning label or they remove platform or de-platform, right?

01:31:19.900 Like how they did to Trump.

01:31:21.460 But that's not really how they censor.

01:31:23.480 Oh, yeah.

01:31:23.840 It's all invisible.

01:31:25.600 It's the freedom of reach that they talk about.

01:31:28.700 Freedom of speech is not freedom of reach.

01:31:29.960 Yeah, and that's bullshit.

01:31:31.120 That's censorship.

01:31:31.900 Total BS.

01:31:32.260 And that's how they craft the narratives.

01:31:34.040 And so you might say something, but it's purposefully buried by algorithms.

01:31:37.440 The other thing is they've kicked it down the chain.

01:31:39.940 So it's not the top executives anymore.

01:31:41.420 It's not just just it's first it was distributed people, little minions working through the companies.

01:31:45.480 So they had plausible deniability.

01:31:48.060 Right.

01:31:48.220 Oh, no, it was just a minion.

01:31:49.320 Now they go from the minion to actually making it AI.

01:31:52.140 So here's a dirty little secret within Silicon Valley, OK?

01:31:56.440 The way the AI works is it's a trained algorithm, right?

01:31:59.540 They train the algorithm to sort of spot who's likely to be suspicious or not.

01:32:03.800 I kid you not.

01:32:05.120 If you have an American flag on your profile, your speech is more likely to be flagged for review.

01:32:14.860 So think about how dystopian that is right now.

01:32:18.220 It's like straight out of Orwell.

01:32:19.900 We're living in it.

01:32:20.620 We're in the United States.

01:32:21.680 And if you have a U.S. flag, that means that what you say is more likely to be algorithmically suppressed.

01:32:27.440 It's insane.

01:32:27.920 It's insane.

01:32:28.660 Yeah.

01:32:29.240 Yeah.

01:32:29.600 Insane.

01:32:30.760 But I want to ask you, because, you know, so you're running for president.

01:32:35.580 The deep, deep, the deep state is an issue.

01:32:38.040 Yes.

01:32:38.480 How do you combat it?

01:32:40.040 So I think the way our system works is actually on pretty solid footing.

01:32:43.660 OK, the U.S. president is empowered by Article 2 of the Constitution to run the executive branch of the government.

01:32:52.920 Who would have ever thought that there's one executive branch and the U.S. president is actually empowered to use it?

01:32:58.840 So read the law.

01:33:00.780 There's the 1977 Presidential Reorganization Act that says that if there are redundant government agencies or if there are actual agencies that would the shutdown of which would stimulate the economy, then the U.S. president already has the authority from Congress to do it.

01:33:16.760 But those provisions of the 1977 Act are unexpired.

01:33:20.180 Read the civil service protection rules.

01:33:21.800 Like I said earlier, they don't apply to mass layoffs.

01:33:24.400 That's why mass layoffs are absolutely what we want to bring to the table.

01:33:27.900 You know, and, you know, probably bore your audience here, but 5 U.S.C. 3302.

01:33:32.340 It's a law that gives the U.S. president the sole authority to set the regulations governing the Office of Personnel Management.

01:33:39.440 That's the HR department of the executive branch of the federal government.

01:33:42.480 But what we have missed is a combination of, yes, someone who understands all of that is usually going to be some legal scholar or somebody who's an academic or somebody who understands it but doesn't want to use that authority because they're part of the system.

01:33:55.560 But you need somebody who has an understanding of the laws in the Constitution combined with somebody who has complete and total disregard for the norms in the administrative state in Washington, D.C.

01:34:07.120 And so I think that that's a rare combination, right?

01:34:09.820 Those qualities don't go together.

01:34:11.140 Yes, but that's why I say I look myself in the mirror.

01:34:14.020 We each ask ourselves, how are we going to play our part?

01:34:17.180 And all it takes, this is good news.

01:34:19.280 We don't need Congress for this, right?

01:34:21.620 Congress is in some ways, many senses bought into the system by the same special interests that control Congress also want that administrative regulatory state to keep pushing the regulations that protect the people who are in charge in the private sector.

01:34:33.200 There's a reason why big companies want to self-regulate because it creates barriers for smaller companies from competing against them.

01:34:39.020 So it's that rare combination.

01:34:41.520 An outsider who comes in willing to break glass but who also understands the toolkit that the U.S. president can actually wield, not just relying on advisors because advisors are still swamp creatures most of the time.

01:34:53.580 They were in Trump's administration for sure.

01:34:55.220 That's a rare combination.

01:34:57.200 So I can get this job done.

01:34:58.440 By the end of my first term, 75% headcount reduction in the U.S. federal bureaucracy, no problem.

01:35:03.580 Shutting down multiple government agencies, no problem.

01:35:06.680 It just takes the 2024 election landing in the right person's unique hands to be able to see that through.

01:35:13.260 And that's the one thing I know I can get done.

01:35:14.700 So he promised us an hour and a half.

01:35:16.800 We're past an hour and a half.

01:35:17.960 Let me ask the last thing.

01:35:20.340 Taxes.

01:35:21.060 Yes.

01:35:21.540 All right.

01:35:21.820 12% flat tax.

01:35:23.080 All right.

01:35:24.400 Across the board.

01:35:25.840 And by the way, eliminate the broken-

01:35:27.220 Bro, we're very aligned.

01:35:28.460 I mean, we just-

01:35:29.120 Yeah.

01:35:29.320 Equality of opportunity.

01:35:30.180 It was harder for me to-

01:35:31.540 I mean, I didn't grow up in wealth.

01:35:32.900 Why do we want to create a treadmill that makes it harder for people to live the American dream?

01:35:36.020 People don't understand the financial oppression that occurs.

01:35:38.500 You understand as a business owner.

01:35:40.320 12%.

01:35:40.720 Corporate, capital gain, ordinary income, I don't care.

01:35:43.940 All these are artificial distinctions.

01:35:45.440 12% flat tax.

01:35:46.000 How many more careers could you create with a 12% tax?

01:35:50.020 Tons.

01:35:50.460 Tons, actually.

01:35:51.360 I mean, it'd be a revival, economic revival in this country.

01:35:53.980 That's what the American dream's founded on.

01:35:55.500 We're very aligned.

01:35:56.780 I'm still for heads on stakes.

01:35:58.900 Yeah, well, you know what?

01:36:01.580 I'm for people behind bars using the judicial system to do it and hold them accountable.

01:36:05.100 I'm with you, bro.

01:36:06.020 But if the death penalty is the consequence, it is what it is.

01:36:10.000 Yeah.

01:36:10.320 So be it.

01:36:10.880 Hey, listen.

01:36:11.700 I just want to-

01:36:12.700 Real talk.

01:36:13.280 I want to be respectful of your time.

01:36:15.500 Just, I want to say, hey, thank you so much for coming in.

01:36:18.060 Thank you, man.

01:36:18.480 Uh, I've, I've really enjoyed the conversation.

01:36:22.240 Um, I, I get a really good feeling from you.

01:36:25.280 I'm pretty good with people.

01:36:26.820 Um, I'm, I appreciate you addressing some of the more, you know, difficult issues that

01:36:32.920 you're getting hammered with right now.

01:36:34.120 I think these are important issues to address and I respect the way that you've addressed

01:36:37.160 them.

01:36:37.500 So, um, let's do it again.

01:36:42.040 Yeah, man.

01:36:42.460 I would enjoy this anytime, man.

01:36:44.720 This is fun.

01:36:45.440 Yeah.

01:36:45.540 I enjoyed this.

01:36:46.240 As, as the campaign unfolds and as some more things, let's try to set something up again.

01:36:50.420 That'd be fun.

01:36:50.760 As you go across the country, you stop in here and we'll hit something.

01:36:53.780 I'd love that.

01:36:54.220 But, um, but I just want to say, man, I think what you're doing is important.

01:36:57.640 Uh, I respect that you're doing it as a 38 year old man.

01:37:00.460 That's, that takes a lot of courage and a lot of, a lot of balls.

01:37:03.920 And, um, I, I think, I think it's fucking awesome, man.

01:37:07.780 Thanks, man.

01:37:08.580 We'll keep at it.

01:37:09.620 Yeah.

01:37:09.820 Now, now, you know, we're going to see what happens in the primaries.

01:37:13.380 That would be my last question.

01:37:14.700 If you aren't selected as the candidate, how do you see yourself moving from there?

01:37:20.480 I'm not a plan B kind of guy.

01:37:22.300 I understand.

01:37:22.760 This is not how I'm wired.

01:37:24.100 And so, uh, you know, you, you take this undertaking on laser focused on what you set out to do.

01:37:30.060 I can respect that.

01:37:30.940 And for me, my destination isn't even January, 2025, when we take office, it's January, 2033,

01:37:37.680 when we leave office.

01:37:38.960 Yeah.

01:37:39.400 I'm laser focused on that.

01:37:41.380 I haven't made a lot of promises, but there are a few promises I've made.

01:37:44.000 I intend to keep when we leave office, we'll drop the mic and then move on to the next

01:37:47.880 phase of life from there.

01:37:49.680 And, you know, I didn't get to where I am.

01:37:50.960 And I suspect you didn't get to where you are either by being plan B kind of people.

01:37:54.020 No.

01:37:54.500 You know, you, you map it.

01:37:55.440 I've got an entire podcast about not having a plan B.

01:37:58.240 Oh, you do?

01:37:58.700 Oh, seriously.

01:37:59.180 Well, I'm not a plan B guy.

01:38:00.360 So, so that's just the answer.

01:38:01.460 Total commitment.

01:38:02.160 And even, even at earlier stages in my life.

01:38:03.980 And when you, when you sort of try to map it out in a paper, well, if this, then this,

01:38:08.540 your plans are stupid.

01:38:09.540 Yeah.

01:38:10.300 And my plans are stupid.

01:38:11.380 It's not about my plans.

01:38:12.320 It's about a vision for the country.

01:38:13.500 We've committed ourselves to it.

01:38:14.680 That's right.

01:38:14.940 We're not stopping until we're done.

01:38:16.520 Anything great requires that level of commitment.

01:38:19.120 That's something that we talk about on the show all the time.

01:38:21.280 That's my experience in life.

01:38:22.300 Dude, you cannot do it.

01:38:23.460 You can't do it.

01:38:24.020 If you're thinking about other things, it's going to get too hard and you're going to

01:38:26.080 think, okay, what about this?

01:38:27.520 So, yeah, that's, that's the answer.

01:38:29.680 All right, man.

01:38:30.400 Well, hey, listen, I appreciate it.

01:38:31.840 Yeah.

01:38:32.000 Thanks for coming on guys.

01:38:33.300 Listen, that's the show.

01:38:36.220 Don't be a hoe.

01:38:37.220 Share the show.

01:38:37.760 Yeah.

01:38:38.760 Went from sleeping on the floor.

01:38:40.540 Now my jewelry box froze.

01:38:42.240 Fuck a pole.

01:38:43.060 Fuck a stove.

01:38:43.920 Counted millions in the cold.

01:38:45.580 Bad bitch.

01:38:46.420 Booted swole.

01:38:47.240 Got her on bankroll.

01:38:48.880 Can't fold.

01:38:49.780 Doesn't know.

01:38:50.580 Headshot.

01:38:51.420 Case closed.

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REAL AF with Andy Frisella - September 01, 2023

568. America First Ft. Vivek Ramaswamy

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