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00:02:42.040 one here today we do we have a fellow missourian yeah now are you from missouri columbia yeah yeah

00:02:48.700 i thought you just had family there well i do but that's because i grew up there all right my mom's

00:02:53.240 in the same house good old missouri i felt it when he walked in yeah yeah yeah that's a little hoosier

00:02:57.900 i got a good buddy of mine on the show today uh who's come all the way from hawaii uh dr chris free

00:03:08.500 what's happening brother hey thanks for having me so chris chris has a new book and it just came out

00:03:15.920 it's called operator syndrome and uh we're going to talk a little bit about this today uh what

00:03:21.880 let everybody know kind of your background we've been friends for a while we talk frequently but uh

00:03:27.880 let's let's hear from you yeah sure where do you want to start well how'd you get to become

00:03:34.220 who you are okay well we got got to go back a long ways so um i was six years old um and uh i was in

00:03:43.480 taiwan with my mother because my dad was a vietnam veteran in saigon and my mom got got it in her head

00:03:49.260 that we should go be as close as possible so my dad was not a combatant he was a air force doc

00:03:55.460 and um so i guess what i'm saying here is i grew up kind of in the shadow of the vietnam war

00:04:01.720 and by i was time i was a teenager young teenager in the 1970s uh the vietnam war turned into a

00:04:08.240 you know pretty much a clusterfuck for uh for both our countries um and so uh my dad as a as a physician

00:04:17.500 was very you know very um he hated what he had seen and and what had been done and not that he

00:04:25.040 was you know necessarily blaming any particular government or side or you know it wasn't a

00:04:29.140 political thing it was just about the horror of war and his uh so he he took the family into the

00:04:34.900 quaker faith and a tenet of the quaker ethos is conscientious objector status and and a peaceful

00:04:42.360 sort of view of the world and approach to other people so that was you know formative experiences

00:04:49.260 from for my childhood and then as a also at the same time growing up um i had a great grandfather

00:04:55.420 my great grandfather um who i tell a little bit about his story in the book and the book is dedicated

00:05:00.560 to him and the woman who who saved him he was a veteran of the spanish-american war

00:05:06.560 so he fought at the battle san juan hill and came home and um we can go down that rabbit hole if you

00:05:13.480 want but he was one of my heroes when i was a kid and uh so i would i would interview him and talk with

00:05:20.800 him about his his experiences in cuba um he his is the salient piece or one of the salient pieces of

00:05:30.320 his experience was what happened when he came home so the can i tell the story

00:05:36.360 yeah of course yeah so um cuban um the spanish-american war in cuba lasted about three

00:05:43.040 months so it was a very short low intensity war by modern day standards you know not a lot of

00:05:49.100 american casualties but they brought back tens of thousands of troops who were all sick so they

00:05:55.800 all had mosquito you know mosquito-borne illnesses dysentery malaria you know whatever and they they put

00:06:02.320 up a few tents up at the top of of um long island at the very tip montauk point and they put up some

00:06:09.120 tents and they they started bringing these sick soldiers home and mustered them out right there

00:06:13.600 and and had them in that camp till they got better and it was just a big muddy field rows of tents not a

00:06:20.640 not a hygienic place and it was it became a national scandal a national disgrace and even the president went

00:06:28.080 up and and surveyed it there was a woman mrs bean um mrs jack bean who took her she lived in new york city

00:06:37.680 she was wealthy and again this is 1898 so she's got a butler and a carriage and and she went up there

00:06:43.760 and she took my great-grandfather and four or five or six other men and brought them to her home

00:06:50.320 and nursed them back to health in her house uh with her family there and it was a you know for me that

00:06:57.840 was a really powerful um um narrative story i'm not even quite sure what what's the right word to use

00:07:05.760 here but he and then she i think he was there for about six weeks i mean this was not you know three

00:07:12.560 days and then you're gone this was he was very very sick uh he believes she saved his life

00:07:17.680 and she gave him money to get home to michigan uh where he where he was from and for the rest of his

00:07:23.600 life he talked about her and that effort that civilian effort to save his life so when i was a

00:07:32.000 young man i wanted to after college i wanted to help veterans i wanted to i was never never served

00:07:38.240 never not a warrior never put on a uniform but i wanted to help those who did so i went got a phd in

00:07:45.600 clinical psychology and then i went my first last year of training and my very first job was charleston

00:07:51.360 va charleston south carolina va so i spent 15 years working with veterans there and that that was what

00:07:57.440 i wanted to do i wanted to um i wanted to be part of the solution and part of my perspective today is

00:08:05.520 we we do have a va and the va does some things very well and it's obviously very important and and and

00:08:11.440 meaningful to many veterans but we have a very disconnected and indifferent society so our our

00:08:20.000 soldiers our warriors our veterans uh aren't really connected very well or maybe i'll say it the other

00:08:26.160 way around our civilian society is not very well connected to the men who who who protect and serve

00:08:33.280 everybody and and i'm gonna i'm gonna lump and include not lump i'm gonna include in the the men

00:08:39.840 and women who who i try to serve and honor not just soldiers um and veterans private defense contractors

00:08:47.920 who have done quite a bit of work with but also first responders so law enforcement emt firefighters and so

00:08:54.560 on so that's what got you inspired to do the work that you're doing yep yep so when you

00:09:01.920 you when you started on your journey did you know that that you were gonna do what you're doing now

00:09:07.600 no how to start so i did 15 years at the va hot in the va system and this is after you went to school

00:09:15.440 after my PhD right okay yeah so i here i am fresh phd clinical psychology and i'm at the va in charleston

00:09:23.280 south carolina 1991 and i left in 2006 and i love the patients i worked with i really appreciate it

00:09:31.360 and enjoyed and most of the colleagues i had in the mental health service and throughout you know

00:09:36.080 all throughout all of the hospital but there were also some massive problems systemic problems uh and

00:09:42.240 that i would say are were more than anything policy not about the individuals people there but policy

00:09:48.000 that was being set by our government and the leadership of the va and by the end of by the end of

00:09:54.640 those by 2005 i was very i was demoralized because what i was seeing was we as the mental health service

00:10:02.880 and much of the va were we were doing at least as much harm as we were doing good in a lot of ways and

00:10:10.720 some of my research was was oriented and geared to pointing some of this out and it was not well

00:10:17.200 received it was not welcomed by the va so we'd have a whole conversation about the va and why

00:10:23.120 why i believe it has failed you know and not yet another generation of of our soldiers and and

00:10:28.960 warriors so you were putting out some criticism about how and from a place of we need to improve

00:10:36.000 yeah and they didn't want to hear it they didn't want to hear it and in fact i i kind of got spanked

00:10:40.720 for so i i was a i was a clinical psychologist the therapist for for full time seven for about seven

00:10:47.120 years and then i started getting federal research grants from nih national institute of health to study

00:10:53.280 veterans and other populations with ptsd and anxiety and depression depressive disorders and and

00:11:00.800 but also included in that there were some studies we did some studies related to how the system served

00:11:07.280 individuals served veterans and some of the incentives to be sick i mean essentially the va has has a

00:11:16.320 disability policy people don't know this but the va spends more money on disability payments than

00:11:24.080 they do on providing health care um it's not really even that close yeah it's a pretty significant

00:11:30.400 difference and so so they're just saying hey you're messed up we're just gonna pay you that's right

00:11:35.440 that's right and you don't even i mean and you don't even have to get treatment yeah to be able to

00:11:39.920 receive that that money many veterans do pursue treatment and do get do receive treatment but

00:11:45.600 they're not getting better at least not as far as the va can show the uh i was just reading a paper

00:11:53.120 yesterday that even even up to current day present day the number of veterans with ptsd disability who

00:12:01.280 get better and then come off ptsd come off that disability is a fraction of one percent so ninety

00:12:09.920 nine point nine nine percent of veterans don't get better from from va ptsd care that's crazy what the

00:12:17.680 hell you know what are we doing what are we doing i mean this is tragic yeah why are we why do we spend

00:12:22.400 13 billion dollars a year on mental health care that that cannot show any results i mean would you

00:12:30.320 run you you guys are you know you're you're businessmen yeah yeah so you find once one of your

00:12:36.240 business important business units isn't producing any movement of the needle at all and you're going to

00:12:41.680 keep putting money into it probably not well that probably i would just suspect that probably

00:12:47.520 becomes just like every other branch of the government the money's getting funneled into

00:12:51.520 people's pockets yes yes and so here we have big government and and we've gone right now down the

00:12:58.400 rabbit hole the va which is cool um there you know you could and you could look at many different

00:13:03.840 policies um no accountability for employees or little accountability for employees little accountability

00:13:10.800 for management uh little accountability for the veterans and and so um there's a book called wounding

00:13:18.320 warriors wounding with an ing as in it's still ongoing and the subtitle is how policy makes veterans

00:13:26.240 sicker and poorer and it's it's a really good book published in 2020 by a by a former west pointer who

00:13:33.280 lost a leg in fallujah combat and he and a wall street journal reporter analyze the va's policies

00:13:41.280 but they they put it into real human terms i mean it's a page turner it sounds boring and dry but it's

00:13:45.920 a page turner to read about how veterans lives are being affected and and in the book there is a chapter

00:13:52.480 they interviewed me and there's a chapter on some of my experiences in 2005 where we had done a study

00:13:58.480 um and this sounds so like almost obvious that that i'm almost embarrassed to kind of describe this

00:14:04.640 um but we we did a we just took a um a hundred consecutive men coming into our clinic saying they

00:14:12.720 were vietnam veterans and we evaluated them and you know we did it we did it the whole thing and then

00:14:19.600 uh about a year later we did the and i mean that wasn't part of the study that was that was just

00:14:24.240 clinical care but we we did a freedom of information act request so we wrote directly

00:14:29.360 to the st louis military personnel records and we got their dd-214s you know the one page document

00:14:34.960 that lists everything of their military career and what we and then we compared it we compared that

00:14:41.040 document to what they told us they had done during their career medals deployments training you know

00:14:48.000 all all of that kind of stuff and there was a massive discrepancy between what people reported

00:14:54.240 and what was actually true um with you know there were we i think we had five or six guys who

00:15:00.160 claimed they were navy seals or green berets they weren't they were not they were not um we also

00:15:07.280 published a series of studies showing you know just very gross malingering and over reporting of

00:15:13.120 symptoms in order to get the disability so because i know it's incentivized it's incentivized exactly

00:15:18.240 they're rational actors you know you put a great big you know pot of gold out at the end of the

00:15:22.320 rainbow and people are going to go yeah they're going to figure it out they're going to go get

00:15:26.240 it and why shouldn't they and many of these people many of these people needed help i'm not our i'm not

00:15:33.120 i'm not saying we shouldn't give help but why put it in the box of of ptsd disability first of all ptsd

00:15:40.240 is a very treatable disorder civilians get better from it um and i've treated many civilians who got

00:15:46.480 wildly better very quickly many of my many of my patients at the va got better but then they say

00:15:53.680 please don't document that because i don't want to lose my disability i understand that so what happened

00:16:00.320 at some point in 2005 we submitted this this paper you guys heard of the book stolen valor or the concept

00:16:06.720 yeah yeah so um the stolen valor act was inspired by and facilitated by a guy named jug burkett who wrote a

00:16:15.200 book called titled stolen valor in the late 90s jug was a vietnam veteran and he he noticed that just

00:16:23.280 everywhere he looked in the 1980s and 1990s there were people using the vietnam veteran uh status as a

00:16:30.640 way of getting getting things in society elected sheriff um you know advertising uh for a business and

00:16:38.160 you know just you know you name it people who are appearing in in episodes of 60 minutes and such

00:16:43.280 and he would do this freedom of information act request get the records and then document that

00:16:48.160 they were liars they weren't even veterans most of them that's crazy and he wrote a book about this

00:16:53.120 and that's a lot more common than people think it's very common yes uh and and it is it is a it is

00:16:59.040 illegal now to do that and it's illegal to wear medals you didn't earn um or to represent medals you

00:17:05.440 didn't earn but so jug burkett and i became friends and he he helped me do the study i worked

00:17:11.360 directly with jug on this study in 2000 i guess we did the study in 2004 and we published it in 05

00:17:19.120 we had initially submitted the paper to the american journal psychiatry one of the top two psychiatric

00:17:24.960 journals in america and it got rejected right away with a very short review usually you get extensive

00:17:30.400 reviews that you know in the peer review process is is the quality control but what they said was

00:17:36.560 they didn't have any criticisms of the study they just said this can't be true because if it if it is

00:17:42.160 this upends everything the va is doing so therefore it can't be true we're not going to publish it

00:17:48.880 a few days later i get a phone call from one of my mentors one of the senior people in the in the field

00:17:55.120 of ptsd who's who was one of the directors of of a one of the there's a network of ptsd centers

00:18:02.640 nationally and he was the director of one of them for the va and he called me and he said

00:18:06.400 you can't publish this paper it's too explosive if you publish it uh it risks you know congress

00:18:12.800 might cut our funding it might it will harm veterans if you do this and so he and you know and we have

00:18:19.840 a discussion but he eventually said if you if you do this it's gonna you know it'll your career as a

00:18:24.480 scientist will be over you know severely damaged and i basically thanked him and and said but i'm

00:18:32.800 going to publish it anyway and we did we submitted to the british journal of psychiatry and it got

00:18:37.760 published like they took it and they were like wow we want this not only did they publish it but they

00:18:42.400 had one of the top british um military historian psychiatrists kind of a mixture of both his history

00:18:50.400 and psychiatry wrote a really you know eloquent commentary companion piece to it uh that guy now

00:18:57.680 by the way is now has been knighted since knighted so it's sir simon wesley wrote that um and a few

00:19:04.800 months after it was published i get a phone call one night about nine o'clock saying hey uh guess what

00:19:11.520 you're being investigated by the va um i know it's nine o'clock at night but here we just sent you the

00:19:16.720 questions you need to respond to and we'll see us tomorrow morning at 7 a.m in the director of the

00:19:21.280 va's office and so i show up there and there was a we had a conference call with people at central

00:19:28.560 office in dc and they it was it was a witch hunt they were looking you know did i have irb approval

00:19:34.560 did i have r d approval did i have this document signed you know it was basically they're trying to

00:19:38.480 find a hole anywhere any technicality show me the man i'll find the crime exactly right just like

00:19:43.760 we're seeing left and right today but this was 2005. um so not that i was surprised by it i'm

00:19:50.640 going to say because i had started to see more and more of this kind of stuff coming my way

00:19:56.720 um but guess what every i had been dotted every t had been crossed and they had nothing and they said

00:20:05.440 okay we're done and that was it that was got dropped but then i'm getting phone calls and requests

00:20:12.240 for interviews bbc the economist wall street journal la times new york times washington post

00:20:19.120 and they're all calling me for interviews because people want to talk about this and so what the va

00:20:24.240 did right right right early on was i basically had a full time and not a full time but there was a pr

00:20:30.640 person who became my handler everything i every request had to go through her and not only that but

00:20:36.880 she had to um she had to be present at the interviews and she had the ability to interrupt

00:20:43.440 she had the right to interrupt the interview so a question if if a question got asked she had the

00:20:48.960 right to immediately interrupt and say nope he can't answer that question and if i did answer a question

00:20:53.680 she had the right to say strike that he's not supposed to he's not allowed to answer those questions

00:20:59.200 so uh it was it was it was that was eye-opening that's crazy like communism it it exactly it was

00:21:09.120 it was censorship now i do understand that organizations when you work for an organization

00:21:15.280 you can't just go out and say whatever you want and you know especially if it's false or something like

00:21:20.480 that but but i i was speaking truth and i had data i had empirical data that supported everything i was

00:21:26.480 saying and um and after that i was just i was just done with the va so i left the next you know a few

00:21:34.240 months later and i was like well you know i wanted to help veterans oh well so but the va is not really

00:21:43.200 wanting my thoughts my ideas so i left the va at that point i moved to the university of hawaii

00:21:49.360 thinking i was done working with veterans and i was for about for about uh eight years until kind of

00:21:55.840 this next chapter of my life developed and what happened in the next chapter so i was i had a

00:22:03.040 i had a really um kind of a weird weird job situation i had a full-time job in hawaii

00:22:09.600 but i got recruited away to baylor college of medicine in houston to be director of a research pro

00:22:16.320 director of research programs at the menninger clinic which is a very famous old psychiatric hospital

00:22:22.640 used to be in topeka kansas and had now just a couple years prior had moved to and affiliated

00:22:28.160 with baylor college of medicine so i was a tenured professor at at bcm and i was directing the research

00:22:34.800 at this hospital and and so i moved to houston worked there for six months some happened um the

00:22:41.280 economy changed the the research budget as a result changed um no harm no foul i wasn't you know

00:22:49.360 really good terms with everybody but i decided to go back to my former job at the university of hawaii

00:22:55.280 and when i did that the you know my immediate uh the chief of staff at the hospital said well

00:23:01.040 and the chair of the department so we'd like for you to continue your work here if you're willing to

00:23:06.240 do this for for a few months four or five months till we find your replacement so i said okay and we we

00:23:12.640 agreed i would come back for one week every month commute to to keep the work going and then of

00:23:18.800 course you know working doing some stuff remotely and um it was nice because it fit with my research

00:23:24.800 interests you know that that matter for my my academic career and my work at university of hawaii

00:23:29.920 but they never found my replacement so i did that job for a decade um and houston became essentially my

00:23:37.200 second home they never you know i just it worked out so well we just kept it going um so i every

00:23:42.720 month for 10 years about 10 years i was commuting so i had and then from hawaii to texas yeah from

00:23:48.000 hawaii and to houston jeez that's crazy dude man did i wish i had a private jet back there right yeah

00:23:55.600 delta southwest where yeah delta delta took good care of me yeah and so

00:24:00.720 so so i was making friends and i am a so-called ptsd expert and that was innate a little bit of

00:24:07.840 the nature of what we were doing and we were doing brain scans uh we we one of our philanthropy um

00:24:14.560 philanthropists um the mcnair foundation that that owned and on the houston texans nfl team funded a lot

00:24:20.800 of our work most of our work much of our work and so one of the things that they had bought for us was

00:24:26.000 essentially an all you can scan coupon so we had a deal at the baylor college of medicine neuroimaging

00:24:31.920 center we were sending every single patient that came into the hospital over there to be scanned as

00:24:38.080 part of clinical but also mostly research i mean this was all done under an irb um auspices and so

00:24:46.880 i started meeting people just in the community not affiliated with with with um um the hospital or

00:24:53.680 or the medical school and a lot of them you know they were just making friends with people and some

00:24:59.200 of them were um one of them was a former seal recently um separated and then there was a another

00:25:05.520 guy who was was army sf and then one of the tier units on the army side and so i kind of developed a

00:25:12.160 small group of just you know friends but part of their part of our early conversations were hey you're

00:25:20.400 you know stuff about veterans you know stuff about mental health so let's have some conversations

00:25:25.840 and that began that just began the con so it was literally just informal conversations over beer coffee

00:25:31.200 or pizza and essentially the conversations pretty much all went the same way doc chris what's wrong

00:25:39.440 with me i don't know what's wrong with me but something is different something's off i look in the

00:25:44.160 mirror and i don't look the same even my face physically doesn't look the same i don't have any

00:25:51.200 energy i don't have much motivation um it's not i don't think i'm depressed but i'm not sleeping i'm

00:25:56.880 irritable my girlfriend doesn't want me around very much drinking too much oh what's wrong okay i got

00:26:05.840 this i'm a ptsd expert i know how to help you so i thought and turns out i didn't i didn't know what i

00:26:15.360 was doing um and they didn't have ptsd not in the prototypical sense of ptsd there was not the fear

00:26:24.160 there was not the fear reactivity there was not the you know helicopter fly over overhead or fireworks

00:26:30.160 no problem that didn't that didn't spark you know that didn't get the pulse up at all so

00:26:37.680 and there was no avoidance that's the other that's one of the other key features of ptsd is avoiding

00:26:42.720 those things avoiding the things that will be reminders of military experiences and war and

00:26:48.880 training experiences so now what the hell's going on um just through trial and error we started trying

00:26:56.640 things let's get some testing done let's draw some blood let's let's get your brain scanned

00:27:01.120 so i got brain scans on a small like five five of my friends through this through this uh you know

00:27:06.960 through this deal we had um and started getting sleep studies and it turned out whoa all these things

00:27:13.920 i was not expecting to see so all of my friends now in this circle are from special operations they're

00:27:21.360 not all seals they're not all army they're from from different groups but they all have the same

00:27:25.760 pattern low testosterone clear brain injury uh the ventricles in their brain on an mri fmri were

00:27:37.920 were atrophied to the point that they looked like 80 year old men they're 35 38 low testosterone in

00:27:45.280 a brain so their libido and their testosterone and their brains are all all look like 80 year old men

00:27:51.600 and these guys are studs so what the hell is going on here um on the sleep studies it they they start

00:27:59.440 showing up as with sleep apnea obstructive sleep apnea which again i think of that as a condition that

00:28:05.600 middle-aged overweight men have so what the this is not ptsd this isn't even mental health this is

00:28:14.000 physiological problems in multiple systems in the body and you know as we figured these things out

00:28:24.000 and and and for those of you who maybe for the listeners and those of you who aren't aren't

00:28:28.400 familiar if if a man who has low testosterone the effect of that is going to look a lot like depression

00:28:35.840 that man is going to have um he's going to be irritable he's going to have insomnia he's going to

00:28:41.840 lose muscle mass he's not going to feel motivated he's going to be apathetic he's going to be down

00:28:47.680 and he's just not going to know you know what's going on you treat that testosterone and all that

00:28:53.680 stuff pretty much goes away and there's many ways to treat testosterone low testosterone so i'm not i'm

00:28:59.920 not saying everybody needs testosterone replacement therapy but you address that you address the sleep apnea

00:29:05.680 um you start doing some of the things that are good for the brain and and wow game changer so

00:29:14.480 um 2014 2015 pretty soon i have i have not just my friends but i have their friends and then their

00:29:22.400 friends so it was literally just a word of mouth snowball um if if we so we go fast forward today i've

00:29:29.760 probably consulted with about 500 operators over the last decade some just two or three four

00:29:37.520 conversations but some in dozens of conversations spread over many years um of of that whole group

00:29:45.120 of people i would say a large percent a large portion of them are have been private defense contractors

00:29:52.320 who i i do get paid for that work um i do that that work is through a through a law firm

00:29:57.760 um that's trying to help them with uh defense based act claims but same pattern same exact pattern

00:30:05.360 of injuries so that that's what my book so that's what operator syndrome that's what operator syndrome

00:30:10.320 is so it's tbi well before i even say that we wrote a paper in 2020 medical paper we published it

00:30:17.920 and i think it was the international journal of psychiatry and medicine and it was me and a good a

00:30:23.520 good team of people but it was a very simple paper anybody who wants to read it can find it on the

00:30:28.560 internet and just type in operator syndrome that paper is out there you can download it easily for free

00:30:34.160 um and it's just descriptive so i literally we literally wrote the paper for guys to read and for

00:30:40.560 their spouses to read so that they could start to at least begin to get a sense of

00:30:44.480 shit man this stuff is not abnormal this is this is this is normal for people who have had 10 15 20 25

00:30:53.280 years in special operations so what is operator syndrome tbi chronic pain sleep apnea insomnia low

00:31:02.480 testosterone as well as other hormonal um dysregulation estrogen levels often spike way up in fact there's a va

00:31:11.360 surgeon who who reached out to me and said that after the paper was published reached out and said

00:31:15.760 that was amazing paper because it helped her understand why she's doing so many breast reduction

00:31:21.360 surgeries in men coming out of ranger battalions or you know air force pjs gynecomastia gynecomastia yeah

00:31:31.200 and and and i mean think about that how i'm how humiliating that that must be yeah to be you know

00:31:37.840 to be a badass motherfucker and then you're grossing and then you're obese yeah man boobs um and then of

00:31:44.400 course so operator syndrome all those things which are very physiological cellular molecular injuries

00:31:52.320 at that level and then of course you do have depression and anxiety and anger a lot of anger

00:31:57.680 addiction some have ptsd most of some of the other symptoms of ptsd and and then what does that do that

00:32:05.440 just kind of goes out in a ripple effect it affects your family your marriage your sexual functioning

00:32:10.720 your emotional intimacy connection with other people and the transition out of the military

00:32:20.320 and then you've got all the existential issues the survivor's guilt the the horror of killing the thrill

00:32:27.680 and enjoyment of killing which a lot of guys have and are feel pretty pretty guilty about having because

00:32:33.680 you can't talk about that typically with most people yeah can i ask you this because i love this i love this

00:32:40.240 shit i love it um did you see a difference you know looking at like the the afghan withdrawal right

00:32:48.240 was there a difference in function or how these people you know how these veterans you know after

00:32:54.720 witnessing that did it was there a change in in mental statuses like with the guys that you were seeing

00:33:01.120 coming in well guys you see now yes so that was what 2021 right right dj thank you for asking that

00:33:08.080 question uh i don't get at ask that question often enough and i'm so i'm really happy to speak to that

00:33:14.400 so um i'll say a few words about what kind of what i saw about that in the two months prior to our

00:33:23.600 withdrawal i did i think four evaluations um via zoom via distance communication with afghani interpreters

00:33:32.640 who were in kabul so it was like this slow motion disaster that i could see coming because i was

00:33:40.320 talking to these guys who are in kabul and they're they're saying to me help us get us out of here we

00:33:46.800 are going to about to be overrun in a few weeks by the taliban and they're going to come and slaughter us and

00:33:51.200 our families um two of those guys two of those those interpreters took me around and you know and

00:33:57.520 remember this is a zoom video and they introduced me to all their family their wives their children

00:34:03.520 just trying to show how you know desperate and and and they are um i don't know what happened to them um

00:34:12.880 it it uh it you know it kind of rekindled some of my childhood experiences uh one of my favorite

00:34:19.600 babysitters uh in in as when i was about 11 was a vietnamese man studying in the u.s and in 19

00:34:29.840 i don't remember what year it was but he went home um as the country was falling to the north north

00:34:35.760 vietnamese he went home to be with his wife and his um and his uh children he was working on a

00:34:41.680 dissertation at mizzou university of missouri right right down the road and uh he went home um man is

00:34:47.760 probably mid-30s went home and was picked up and murdered you know executed by the north

00:34:51.920 vietnamese government i don't know what happened to to my guys that were that i was evaluating

00:34:57.840 um but you could see it coming they knew what was happening they knew what was coming they were

00:35:02.800 terrified they were absolutely terrified and they were um they they knew what our apparently our state

00:35:11.440 department and and leadership in the u.s claimed they didn't know we were saying oh everything will

00:35:18.640 be fine the afghan government will hold um the taliban they're not they're not gonna they're not gonna get

00:35:24.880 get in here yeah it took like a day uh yeah uh lat no not even a day yeah they were there before we got

00:35:31.440 out so then i was talking you know months later i did i was a i i did i have evaluated and talked with

00:35:39.360 extensively two different guys who were contractors who were there at the airfield uh during that

00:35:49.280 literally during that time so one they described the firefights that were going on around the perimeter

00:35:54.640 of the of the airfield the day before very intense firefights with with taliban and other insurgents

00:36:01.520 one of them was near abbey gate when it when it blew up and killed those 13 marines plus dozens maybe

00:36:07.360 hundreds of of afghanis that were packed around that and then they were a little bit later uh they were

00:36:15.920 sitting or they were guarding you know one end of the airfield when the taliban approached so they

00:36:20.400 were in an active gunfight they were they were troops in contact moment when the bodies start flying

00:36:27.040 out of falling out of the sky remember those afghans that were grabbing the wheels freaking crazy those

00:36:33.120 bodies were were landing on their position like you're you're shooting at you know you're you're

00:36:39.200 engaged with the enemy and boom thud splat

00:36:45.760 the state department guys didn't get to sit at sit at the ramp ceremony they didn't get to participate

00:36:50.560 in the ramp ceremony for those marines they were prevented pretty forcibly from from being at that

00:36:57.760 ramp ceremony so how did this affect people well one thing is i mean the story i think just kind of

00:37:04.560 telling the story a little bit here gives you some sense of what was happening on the ground the um

00:37:12.560 i know a lot of guys for months afterwards that were sleeping two three hours a night or less

00:37:20.560 because they were on the phones they were there was a very organized

00:37:25.360 effort from service members who were in the us and other places around the world trying to get

00:37:30.800 their buddies their friends the interpreters the afghani interpreters who who they had known and

00:37:36.160 trusted and work worked with and closely and viewed as brothers they were trying to get them and their

00:37:40.400 families out and many have gotten out but many you know many many didn't and we still don't know how

00:37:47.600 many i i still don't know how many americans are are or were never got out of afghan well they're

00:37:53.200 certainly not going to tell us yeah no no no they're not they uh you know they've treated those

00:38:00.800 uh families of those 13 victims like total shit yep yep yep they have it's demoralization so it's

00:38:08.560 demoralization yeah that's right i mean did that affect hormones did that affect uh mental mental health

00:38:15.680 and pain yeah probably negatively but but that demoralization was just crushing yeah and um now

00:38:24.880 you have we have a we have a generation of soldiers who are going why did we do this why these what

00:38:31.040 were these last 20 years about and um and it's not just that their sacrifice was some of them feel that

00:38:39.920 their sacrifice was wasted but also asking the question of of why did we lose so many of our

00:38:46.320 brothers both both americans and our allied forces and our local you know local uh forces so that

00:38:53.680 demoralization is something that i don't think most americans see or really have an awareness of

00:38:59.920 because our our society is just so removed from the realities of our military and the men and women

00:39:06.400 that serve considering what's going on i mean it makes sense you would demoralize the military first

00:39:11.360 or the veterans first you know when you when you create a situation let's just be real like january

00:39:18.080 6 where they say it's something that it really isn't um and then you do the afghanistan withdrawal

00:39:24.160 right after that that's that's going to be very demoralizing to any of the veterans that serve

00:39:28.800 absolutely yeah yeah for sure so dude you have a just to cap this on operator syndrome and we'll

00:39:35.200 get back we'll get into the show but you have a very interesting uh

00:39:42.240 the way you look at mental health is is much different than what most of what we see on the

00:39:48.320 internet as mental health um and you and i have talked about this before you know the therapy industry

00:39:55.760 for the most part industry is a good word yeah it's it's not really geared towards getting people

00:40:00.720 better it's geared towards propagating customers and keeping them in therapy for as long

00:40:05.120 as possible um and at some levels it's predatory you know and i'm not trying to discourage anybody

00:40:12.480 from that that's not what i'm saying but i'm saying that you know there's good and there's bad

00:40:16.960 but your your opinion on this uh or what you know operator syndrome is about and i agree with you

00:40:23.440 is that it's actually inverse of what most people think most people think that mental health and correct

00:40:29.520 me if i'm saying this wrong but most people believe it is mental but you've discovered that it's actually

00:40:34.800 a physiological thing in a lot of people that's my perspective yeah i think we put the mental illness

00:40:40.480 up front and everything else is just kind of background and i think we need to to to reverse

00:40:46.000 the foreground in the background um something that that you know that i feel terrible about when i really

00:40:52.480 kind of reflect back on my work at the va was we never checked hormones we never tested hormones

00:40:59.680 um ever that doesn't mean that they weren't getting their hormones checked if that if something was

00:41:05.760 picked up but that seems like it should be a pretty obvious process it should be a requirement i would

00:41:11.040 say it should be step one or get your that should be one of the very first things that we do and we

00:41:16.640 don't and that's that's on the the field that's on the mental health field because i like i said i've

00:41:22.480 worked now in three different psychiatry departments psychiatry departments are pretty large you know

00:41:28.080 you might we've had probably 120 150 faculty and they're multidisciplinary so psychiatrists psychologists

00:41:36.480 social workers nurses geneticists neuroimagers neuropsychologists you know and more not once

00:41:46.640 did i ever do i did i did i ever have an endocrinologist in any department i was a part of

00:41:52.320 not once that's not to say that there isn't a you know there there isn't research on hormones and

00:41:58.000 psychiatric functioning but it's that's just that's just not at all do you think that do you think the

00:42:03.840 opinion of of that kind of like i feel like society has changed their viewpoint on things like

00:42:12.960 hormone replacement therapy or just monitoring hormones over the last 20 years you know i can

00:42:18.480 remember um you know when i was younger how villainized testosterone was right and i am of

00:42:24.560 the opinion that it's villainized intentionally to keep men uh in a in a

00:42:32.160 weak state quite honestly um i think it's done for control well sorry to interrupt but let me just say

00:42:40.400 the american psychological association put out guidelines about five or six years ago guidelines

00:42:46.800 for how therapists should treat men and boys and those guidelines are an abomination those guidelines

00:42:53.840 encourage therapists essentially to feminize men yeah well that makes it goes along with what i'm saying

00:43:00.400 toxic masculinity is now considered to be part of the mental health problem okay so we gotta we gotta

00:43:06.320 somehow shake that out of them yeah while they're growing man boobs while they're while they're

00:43:10.960 growing man man boobs yeah and that's boys and men that's not just it's not just men so well big

00:43:17.200 problem with this mental health dude is that men aren't allowed to be men that's a real that's real you

00:43:22.480 know we've let we've dealt with culture so long the last 20 years that has gone along with that where

00:43:27.680 it's been villainized and now you have women getting punched in the face on the streets of new york every

00:43:32.480 single day yeah saying where's the men well fuck bro you didn't want any men you say you didn't need

00:43:37.680 men socially castrated them yeah that's what it was that's yeah socially and and now chemically yeah

00:43:44.400 right right i want to ask you this because i think this is a cool cool uh cool thing i said i love the

00:43:48.640 the psycho uh psychological psychology that's where dj went to school for um psychology psychology and uh

00:43:55.840 you know and so there's a saying psychology you know genetics blows the gun environment pulls the trigger

00:44:00.320 right was there have you noticed any like you know are there any like genetic predispositions that

00:44:06.800 you that you guys have noticed um with operator syndrome of like okay these are some common

00:44:11.840 denominators have has that been a a focus point at all i have not studied this i don't think anybody

00:44:18.000 specifically has studied it related to special operations not that i know of but we certainly do know

00:44:24.800 that genetics plays a large role in anxiety and and depression and bipolar disorder and schizophrenia

00:44:32.080 and addictions so there's no question there is a significant role for genetics and we're starting to

00:44:37.920 kind of identify some of even some of the genetic variants that specific genetic variants that are you

00:44:44.000 know that are you're going to probably be more susceptible to getting dtsd yeah right and we've long

00:44:49.760 known that if you have a parent with depression you're more likely to have depression also you learn that

00:44:54.320 behavior too right that's the environment yeah that's the nature and nurture so the nature is the

00:44:59.360 genetics and the nurture is is what you've learned and what society has taught you and and everything

00:45:04.560 else that's that's been around you what's your opinion on victim culture oh well i mean that

00:45:13.280 that's the heart that's part of the heart of the matter right now isn't it um we are not telling

00:45:18.560 people to be resilient we're telling people you're oh you poor person you oh you need help we're going

00:45:26.400 to give you everything oh you you're downtrodden you're you're struggling we can't say to somebody

00:45:33.040 work harder that's not allowed anymore in our culture in so many ways um if if you are if you're

00:45:40.400 or push through or get a little tougher man like this is how it is yeah cowboy up right

00:45:45.520 yeah and i'm for you know we look before we get into that yeah there's situations where people

00:45:52.720 are truly fucked up absolutely that's not what we're saying absolutely yeah but you know it's

00:45:57.920 become a it's become a badge of honor dude yeah there's real trauma like going to war and and and

00:46:04.160 having to do you know things that that are necessary and then you know there's losing your stuffed animal

00:46:10.080 when you're fucking three and you're still crying about it yeah yeah you know like there's a difference

00:46:14.000 yeah yeah there's a difference there is i mean what do we what message are we sending our veterans

00:46:18.800 when we when we say to a veteran congratulations you have ptsd you're fucked for life and you're

00:46:24.240 going to get disability yeah disability go home be a psychiatric invalid forever and deal with this

00:46:30.000 shit and be miserable exactly yeah because they're not getting better yeah on the couch and i mean what's

00:46:35.840 the work what's the most important thing for for a person to feel alive and and healthy and vigorous

00:46:43.440 it is having a sense of meaning and purpose yep just to call somebody an invalid and tell them they're

00:46:49.120 they're done being productive members of society forever we've just stripped them of i mean we've

00:46:55.520 stripped them of their their manhood in a sense if they're a man um we've taken away their mission

00:47:00.560 and purpose and their structure their daily structure so yeah yeah it's that's tragic yeah huh

00:47:07.520 wonder why we have so many veteran suicides no shit or you know the biggest mental health crisis

00:47:13.520 of all time well we're enabling it because it's a massive fucking business it's a almost 400

00:47:19.520 billion dollar industry right like where do those customers come from right you know do you actually

00:47:25.920 think it's healthy to be on your cell phone nine hours a day you're a human being bro you're supposed to

00:47:31.200 go out and do shit build shit create shit have a sense of purpose be thankful for where you are

00:47:36.800 exercise some personal development some discipline these things these things create yeah be take

00:47:42.560 charge of your life yeah dude and we got all these people who are told by these therapists oh you're

00:47:47.200 broken oh man that sucks well here read these fucking passages and affirmations and maybe you'll feel

00:47:54.800 better like dude yeah yeah yeah it's it's a terrible system yeah uh real quick i wanted to bring this

00:48:01.440 up because uh right before we get into our headlines you're a metal guy oh yeah have you metal have you

00:48:07.600 seen his list yeah no okay so i have a list here i didn't know that either that's awesome you didn't know

00:48:12.480 that no oh yeah listen i didn't know you guys were stalking me that's okay so so this is uh dr chris

00:48:19.680 freeze uh top 50 i have his top 10 here of the greatest metal bands okay i just want to see if

00:48:26.960 there's a all right let's hear it any agreement in the room so you got black sabbath is at number one

00:48:32.160 no question i mean that's easy that's a no-brainer that's just like i don't even think i've heard of

00:48:37.440 some of these iron maiden you don't know iron maiden bro i'm not a big metal guy i like danzig i

00:48:43.520 fuck with danzig danzig yes yeah that's an age thing yeah that's all it is yeah yeah yeah that's

00:48:48.720 probably true yeah iron maiden kind of hit the scene in 1980 ish okay all right deep purple

00:48:55.600 early 70s slayer i think obviously i know metallica metallica top five okay is that accurate uh dude

00:49:04.480 this is a this is look there are ages of metal chris is a little bit older than me and i'm older than

00:49:11.040 you right so like all these rankings are going to be slightly different okay yeah right and and

00:49:15.680 actually this is kind of an old list okay i you know and i've moved these i've you know like every

00:49:22.080 few months i oh i listen to a motorhead now let's kick oh i got to move them up so you know this is

00:49:27.440 just this was a snapshot but yeah that that looks about right um i might push slayer up a little bit

00:49:33.440 okay slayer's good i am no doubt i am slayer blow every time i hear a slayer album i go oh my god they're

00:49:38.640 even better than i was what's your favorite slayer song song i couldn't i couldn't say that but rain

00:49:44.400 and blood rain and blood i guess the album and the song yeah yeah you got the uh you got some albums

00:49:50.880 here yeah you put what the greatest albums are too these are your top 10 yeah master of puppets

00:49:56.480 that's for sure top 10 album yeah for sure although peace sells is it's for me it's tough they're like

00:50:04.320 neck and neck yeah and they came out in 1986 so the both same year uh and of course uh

00:50:11.680 megadeth was uh dave mustaine's band after he got ejected from metallica from metallica right so

00:50:18.480 that's a cool story if people that don't know metal yeah go kind of read the original metallica and the

00:50:24.240 dave mustaine and megadeth story it's cool yeah he got it he got he got it mustaine got rejected or got

00:50:30.560 ejected from metallica right before they recorded their first album which kill them all yeah kill

00:50:36.400 them all and he wrote co-wrote several of the songs three or four of the songs on that album kill them

00:50:41.520 all is underrated dude i agree yeah yeah that's horseman man that's a great song that's the first

00:50:47.120 seek and destroy yeah that's the first italic album i listened to it was their first me too first album

00:50:52.560 yeah it was just like the sounds like it's recorded in a garage i feel like you this is just like the best

00:50:58.960 doc like you walk in his office he's playing fucking bro we talk every week great we talk

00:51:03.840 every week for at least now that's awesome i i think if you i think

00:51:09.840 this sounds funny but i listen to to heavy metal when i'm trying to to work deeply so when i'm writing

00:51:17.840 when i'm trying to think um that's this is what i go to yeah i mean sometimes jazz sometimes

00:51:23.760 sometimes classical yeah but but if i really want to get in the zone and be productive i'm i'm i'm

00:51:30.640 that means i'm putting you're the same way yeah you know why though i was just gonna say this about

00:51:35.120 chris because at his core he runs hot as calm as he is and that's the same for me when i get into that

00:51:42.560 when i get into that zone that's when i'm the most creative dude and i start feeling like a bad

00:51:47.200 motherfucker i'm like i can do this i can do anything yeah yeah yeah it's a cool feeling

00:51:51.840 that's sweet man well uh let's do it's a good list man i respect it it's solid yeah yeah like

00:51:56.560 even though i don't know most of them but i know a few of them on there well dj what so i mean set the

00:52:01.200 list aside what it would you know in the metal sphere what would you like is there other bands

00:52:05.840 you would put up there dj just started learning metal yeah i just got into it when he started working

00:52:10.320 with me four years ago yeah i just got into it you're like a men a metal mentor yeah yeah he he

00:52:17.680 it started like this we were working out together and i started playing this shit he's like what's

00:52:21.760 that what's that oh that's pretty what's that this is awesome yeah yeah so like we were listening

00:52:27.440 to a lot of rage against the machine metallica danzig guns and roses stuff that's on my workout

00:52:33.120 playlist five finger death punch yeah five fingers all right yeah so it's just all stuff like

00:52:39.440 that and you know he was i don't know what were you into before that like r b stuff and yeah you

00:52:44.240 know just dj plays the piano and sings he's really really good real good oh that's awesome yeah yeah

00:52:49.840 and just just to say this i love pretty much all you know i like all music i do too yeah r b is one

00:52:56.720 of my favorites classic rock blues i had a blues radio show when i was in college oh that's cool blues

00:53:02.560 is cool man oh it's great stuff it's great stuff a bb king radio is one of my favorites on pandora

00:53:08.320 when i'm chilling and like in the bar smoking just chill vibes yeah yeah it's good stuff is that

00:53:12.560 all bb king or is it no it's just all it's just all blues yeah yeah nice yeah i like frank sinatra

00:53:18.480 channel too that's a good channel oh yeah i can do a little dean martin yeah bro it's good stuff

00:53:22.720 i like makes you feel makes you feel classy it does yeah it tricks me i was listening to uh chet baker

00:53:30.480 this morning on the on the ride in uh he was a he's a trumpeter cool smooth cool jazz but he also he

00:53:36.880 did a little crooning so he did a little singing as well as playing yeah it i i like all music too

00:53:42.480 man there's really not much i don't like yeah so what do you play what kind of music when you when

00:53:46.560 you're when you're playing same thing a little bit of everything man i'm a self-taught but i can do

00:53:50.240 some classical um new classical more pop hits you know a little country i can do a little country yeah

00:53:56.400 hey just simple man yeah leonard skinner i mean yeah i can do a little bit of everything man

00:54:00.720 right yeah it's good it's good i had no idea we were we had the black right show we had the black

00:54:06.160 rifle coffee guys on the show and uh and they we were hanging out at the house afterwards and uh

00:54:13.680 fucking matt picked up the guitar starts playing and i'm sorry it was jt jt was it was whoever i think

00:54:20.400 one of them picked up the guitar and they started playing and i'm like watching him play i'm like this

00:54:25.760 pretty good this motherfucker starts singing and i'm like i had no idea and i'm sitting there like

00:54:31.920 what what's going on yeah i'm a good good example of inclusion yeah you know of diversity

00:54:38.160 good example of it yeah all right man well guys let's get into let's do some cruising we got we got

00:54:43.040 some stuff to cover um guys remember if you want to see any of these pictures headlines videos

00:54:48.160 articles links go to andy for seller.com you guys can find all of that stuff there

00:54:52.160 uh so with that being said let's get into our first headline um now you know we record ctis

00:54:58.880 they come out tuesdays and fridays right and so like there's going to be some gaps in coverage but

00:55:02.320 i wanted to kind of readdress this um you know of this big uh national event we just had this uh

00:55:08.480 earlier in the week um the the the ship crashed into the bridge right it's been a big story um

00:55:15.040 baltimore ship black box data recorder taken by investigators as search for missing continues

00:55:20.800 um so they recovered the black boxes there's there's multiple of them um on this uh this

00:55:26.560 massive cargo ship named dolly um and they're still doing recovery efforts trying to pull through

00:55:32.560 pull through all of this here's the video of the ship crashing this is um this has been circulated as

00:55:38.160 the like the actual video right i know there was some there's some fake ones yeah there are some fake

00:55:43.040 ones um but this is this is the official uh this was from the stream time live baltimore cameras

00:55:50.800 supposedly allegedly unedited um here's a clip what time of what time of day so this is 1 30 in the

00:55:56.560 morning yeah 1 30 eastern time yep yep there's no audio on this but you see it going um it's passing

00:56:06.000 out then it loses power oh and it's just a slow motion disaster so it's going about nine miles an

00:56:13.760 hour and i'm not sure how much how much weight that thing where did this video come from so this is

00:56:19.600 coming from stream time live baltimore because i saw okay the power comes back hours back on

00:56:26.720 then it loses power again

00:56:31.040 so they don't know why it lost power yet is that i think they know why i don't think they're saying

00:56:35.680 why okay thick smoke comes out of the uh that is smoke loses power again this is when they're

00:56:44.480 saying oh well they did send out a mayday maydays were sent out and they they recovered like you see

00:56:51.680 a truck just went across the bridge yeah so so one thing to notice here so during this whole time while

00:56:57.600 they're going um and they were able to confirm this with the black boxes that were recovered there's

00:57:02.240 some interesting things with the black box but um so the bridge was under construction so you can see

00:57:07.760 lights like right here those pillar lights and those are vehicles those are construction worker

00:57:13.360 vehicles the bridge was getting worked on so one of the lanes going they were on the bridge were on

00:57:19.600 there and so this entire time that it's losing communication um they already started the

00:57:25.600 notification process which is why there wasn't as many or more people on the bridge that went under

00:57:31.040 um because they were able to start closing down they were stopping traffic correct from going out

00:57:36.320 um yeah so these are all construction vehicles here and so during this process um you know everybody's

00:57:42.240 just running to opposite sides trying to get away from from uh each side but then it makes contact with

00:57:46.720 the bridge these are the last little few vehicles that go by now they're saying stop stop stop they're

00:57:54.080 holding the traffic

00:57:59.520 did the workers see it coming so they were scrambling but weren't able some of them then it makes contact

00:58:06.560 bridge goes down oh my god wow that was instant too yeah now do we know who filmed those this video

00:58:17.360 like yeah so that video was coming from off of uh off the dock um and one of the periods it's just like

00:58:24.640 a static camera that's okay so it was like okay yeah now so that so that's the clip of that right

00:58:32.800 now the issue is is that you know there there there was a report that was done that apparently allegedly

00:58:40.400 the the black box recorder stopped recording for there's about a two minute gap

00:58:47.440 what right and then don't take my word for it here's a clip

00:58:55.920 at 0 1 24 and 59 seconds numerous audible alarms were recorded on the ship's audio bridge audio

00:59:04.320 about the same time vdr sensor data ceased recording however the vdr audio continued to record

00:59:11.760 using the redundant power source at around 0 1 26 and 2 seconds the vdr resumed recording sensor data

00:59:22.240 and during this time there were steering commands and rudder orders recorded on the audio

00:59:27.200 at around 0 1 26 and 39 seconds the ship's pilot made a general vhf radio call for tugs in the vicinity

00:59:38.000 to assist about this time the pilot association dispatcher phoned the mdta duty officer regarding the blackout

00:59:47.200 around 0 1 27. yeah so about a two two minute gap there from when it lost power so there's two

00:59:57.920 sensors you got the audio recording that's happening there's recording people's voices and the conversations

01:00:03.120 both in the bridge room um and then in the rear of the ship as well but then there's a sensor recorder

01:00:08.880 that records all of the mechanical inputs into the ship the steering the power that went dark for

01:00:16.240 two minutes there's a two minute gap and then it cuts right back on right when they collided to the

01:00:20.000 would that be because the power went out well so here's the thing the audio recorder was on a power

01:00:24.640 backup the sensor input should have been on a power backup per the ntsb regulations so now there's

01:00:32.640 been you know there's been some talks but let's let's talk about the impact um but well i will say

01:00:37.280 this i want to say this too so i got when these things happen um i usually get some feedback from

01:00:44.800 people that were there yeah and i did get a message from a guy who was a longshoreman who worked on that

01:00:52.160 boat and he had pictures to prove it like he was in the water right after it happened take him up he sent

01:00:58.800 me a couple of the pictures where they were up on the boat from another boat like literally right

01:01:03.760 after it happened so i know it was legitimate and he said he told me that that ship on the way into

01:01:10.960 port had a power failure and he said they worked on it in port and immediately after it left port it

01:01:17.520 had another power failure so he told me that this was an accident and that it was a legit power failure

01:01:24.560 because i put a poll up in my story that said what do you guys think an accident or intentional

01:01:29.200 because a lot of people were saying it was intentional and that's how he dm me so there's

01:01:34.240 that too well yeah i mean like but the effects of it is real right yeah they're they're saying that

01:01:38.960 this is probably going to take anywhere from five to 15 years to rebuild that bridge at the cost of

01:01:45.840 over half a billion dollars um to the tune of like 600 million dollars um to repair um and of course

01:01:53.040 we're paying for it taxpayers are paying for it biden has already made that promise and how much are we

01:01:57.520 is it going to cost to have that that artery interrupted yeah during that's the real that's

01:02:02.480 the real damage because you know this this port um it's it's the ninth uh i'm sorry it's the fourth

01:02:09.120 largest port on the east coast ninth largest in the country um it's a massive input for the country

01:02:18.080 um a lot of our vehicles go through there um to the tune let me find the numbers i got in here

01:02:25.440 um it was something like almost every car i've ever ordered from europe goes into baltimore court yeah

01:02:30.080 it's like almost like 900 000 or so a year um are all coming through that that port um and uh what

01:02:38.480 they're projecting i mean we saw like this uh ryan peterson he reported on this um he says this will

01:02:43.520 surely cause even more cargo to shift to the west coast likely leading to congestion and delays

01:02:48.800 as we saw on covet even a 10 or 20 increase in volumes can lead to a compound feedback loop of

01:02:55.840 congestion and delays most ocean freight contracts are signed between march and may each year so many

01:03:02.240 companies have the flexibility right now to sign contracts to ship their containers to the west coast

01:03:06.640 to avoid likely congestion and delays on the east coast um now cnn puts this article out because

01:03:14.320 there has been a lot of a lot of theories about this like was this was this intentional was this an

01:03:18.880 actual cyber attack right which are things that you know i don't feel like you can easily just throw

01:03:25.200 off the table right um but you obviously want to make sure that you actually have some evidence or some

01:03:31.040 type something that can back up your uh your your your theory right um but cnn immediately puts this

01:03:37.680 article out um calling out all of the typical people for being conspiracy theories um and how dangerous

01:03:44.080 they are um calling them wild wild conspiracy theories about what supposedly had quote really happened

01:03:51.360 uh we're running rampant at uh running rampant online now lara logan what do you think

01:03:56.640 fucking happens when you lie to people over and over and over yeah exactly exactly exactly um you

01:04:04.240 know and and it's their same it's their same war cry all the claims they're all baseless entirely

01:04:10.240 baseless right that makes me think it was an attack which which further leads to you know it does that

01:04:15.760 doesn't help calm the people we don't trust you no we don't trust shit you're on the point where

01:04:20.640 everything the mainstream media says we've found the opposite to be true over the last four or five

01:04:26.560 years and so when they come out and say this shit it's like oh well i guess it was that yeah you

01:04:32.000 know well i was just gonna add i mean the rush to say these claims are entirely baseless yeah and then

01:04:39.360 the next sentence says officials are investigating the crash yeah how do you know how do you know it's

01:04:43.680 they're baseless if the i mean i guess they're saying there's no evidence for these at the i mean

01:04:47.760 that could be one interpretation there's also no evidence for you to say that it's not yeah right

01:04:51.680 that's right exactly you know and so like i mean i think when and again when you look at the the

01:04:55.840 history of msm even our intelligence like we don't trust you you know like there is so little trust

01:05:02.320 right now they have completely that that expectation of trust or like you know the like the reasonable

01:05:08.240 expectation that we can trust these these news outlets or trust our even our intelligence agencies

01:05:14.240 to some degree it's gone yeah it's gone and so when you come out you know two hours after this

01:05:19.280 massive incident happens and immediately can jump on and say oh there was nothing wrong here

01:05:23.040 nobody's really taking your word for that yeah yeah you know like we need a little bit more you know

01:05:28.720 and like and that's the beauty of you know the uh you know the the social world that we're in right

01:05:33.680 now is that you know people are able to put in different inputs and one thing that i've seen

01:05:38.240 consistently um from ex-members of intelligence agencies the the the consensus was that if if this

01:05:47.520 wasn't an intentional attack that's exactly how it would have been done though does that make sense

01:05:55.520 right like like if you were to try to do an intentional attack on america's infrastructure

01:06:01.120 that would have been the the the standard play to do right it was it was executed perfectly if that was

01:06:09.200 is how there is is kind of the consensus there but but here's the answer so why everything why everybody

01:06:14.160 was you know kind of looking over there there's always something else happening in the background

01:06:18.640 right um and so i was able to find the story and i thought this was very very interesting um literally

01:06:24.640 you know that same morning rush time of of news headlines and things rolling in while everybody's

01:06:29.760 focusing on the bridge um the united nations comes out and they declared that there is actual

01:06:36.960 actually a genocide going on with the conflict in the middle east um and they put in a ceasefire in

01:06:42.640 which the united states um basically sat out from voting on which passed the ceasefire 14 to 0 uh

01:06:52.480 with the u.s um abstaining from the vote um and so that's a big deal going on right now a lot of

01:06:57.520 people not really talking about it but the united nations did you know they recognized it as an

01:07:01.680 official genocide as an official i saw the clip you know and so it's like nobody's really talking about

01:07:06.720 that right and then fortunately it's the only genocide in the world right now right for now

01:07:12.160 sudan and darfur and we don't want to talk about any of that none of that none of that those don't

01:07:18.320 count that's it's just well or or that we have more slaves in in slavery now than have ever existed

01:07:25.440 in the history of the world ever and people want to talk about what happened 400 years ago

01:07:30.880 that none of us did we weren't even here for but it's happening right now yeah i'm a

01:07:35.440 fucking colonizer that caused slavery because i'm white yeah motherfucker i didn't even our

01:07:41.200 family even come here until like 19 fucking 20 right whatever yeah um but yeah so i mean that's

01:07:48.400 an interesting thing netanyahu's pissed about that he actually uh the israel delegation they had a trip

01:07:53.760 that was planned here they're supposed to be going to dc i believe in like a month or so they completely

01:07:58.320 pulled out of that um and now there may be some communication issues between our diplomats and the

01:08:03.360 diplomats of israel so and i saw a thing uh shortly after israel pulled out there was a news story about

01:08:09.440 israel pulled out and the the u.s diplomats are confused and they don't understand what's going on

01:08:14.000 right like hello yeah i mean listen i mean it's a tough ball to play because i mean one minute you

01:08:21.120 want to be on the side and one minute you know diplomatically they're on the side but then the next

01:08:25.120 minute they're abstaining from votes they could have easily voted an abstain vote is a yes vote the

01:08:30.240 tensions are definitely rising between the us and israel well because biden and harris have both

01:08:35.600 come out because dude the left has you know completely turned on them yeah they both come

01:08:40.640 out and said hey we've warned them we've told them uh biden got caught on a hot mic saying i told bb

01:08:47.040 he better stop this shit like you see that and so like now and and uh netanyahu's like yeah you know

01:08:54.640 what fuck you so now we have a situation where israel's telling the us to fuck off and the united

01:09:01.360 nations has figured has decided it's a genocide it's going to get interesting be real interesting

01:09:06.560 because i don't see israel backing off at all no no they have no intentions to no i don't think they

01:09:11.440 will um but yeah so i mean like i said the surge operation is still going on i believe they're still

01:09:15.360 looking for six people there's six six missing uh citizens right now and could i could i just uh

01:09:21.040 i'm looking at my phone because this story's been up all day on cnn the lead story on the mobile cnn

01:09:26.240 says headline deadly bridge collapse reveals a truth about immigration oh that's interesting so

01:09:33.920 now we've changed the story it's not about the bridge it's not about the the ship it's about all

01:09:40.000 of the people who remain missing and i'm reading here all of the people who remain missing were

01:09:43.520 immigrants outsiders who had come to the u.s from central america for a better life

01:09:47.600 uh fair enough but this is a truth well that's because you let in 20 million of them and you say

01:09:54.080 it's 12 but uh yeah and then also this if that's true chris you know what this really was this was

01:10:01.680 white supremacy exactly terror attack that's the this was a domestic terrorist attack that's the

01:10:07.120 implication yeah and the win because of the climate change we did it that's the implication white people

01:10:11.760 fucking white people white people fucking white people ruining everything can't make

01:10:16.880 fucking chicken right it doesn't make sense man fucking racist white people tearing down the bridge

01:10:21.600 to get six immigrants dude these people think we're fucking idiots yeah they do well there are a

01:10:28.560 bunch of idiots they probably believe that to be fair yeah nobody listen you guys uh the the

01:10:33.920 term influence operation or do do you think americans understand that term no do you think americans

01:10:41.280 understand the concept of an influence operation i don't think they understand that or propaganda

01:10:48.000 yeah or they don't understand that obama wrote out of the law that propaganda was illegal when he was in

01:10:52.880 office right and we're being propagated at 100 propaganda since fucking covet started full steam yeah

01:11:00.320 full steam ahead their their job the the goal here is to make people lose faith in the government

01:11:08.080 so it will destroy their national pride they don't want the american men to have anything to fight for

01:11:13.600 they don't want american men to have anything to stand for and if they can demoralize them enough

01:11:18.800 by lying and you know propaganda and doing things like the withdrawal from afghanistan or letting in 20

01:11:27.360 million illegals uh you know putting people like daniel penny in prison while all these fucking criminals that

01:11:34.320 are punching people in the face and killing people are getting out the next day this is the demoralization

01:11:40.320 of the american uh man for the intention to avoid some sort of revolution yeah that's what that's

01:11:47.200 about combine that with you know you talk about it with which i actually think is just fueling that

01:11:51.200 yeah you know but like low testosterone that's not just you know that's not unique to the everybody

01:11:55.760 should be on testosterone right like a fucking im drip yeah two thousand milligrams a week drink it

01:12:02.320 yeah you know i'm saying breakfast lunch and dinner don't take my advice so i'm not a doctor

01:12:10.240 i'm joking i'm joking but that's a real crisis maybe half that though you know a lot of the men

01:12:14.000 this is not just you know military or veterans like i mean well right i mean we have a crisis of

01:12:17.600 men and boys on our hands 100 what are young men doing right now and i'm i know we've got more

01:12:22.640 headlines cutting off their dicks well some of that yeah but but i think the bigger issue is they're

01:12:28.800 not in the workforce they're not in college colleges are 40 percent male 60 percent females

01:12:35.680 undergraduates that'd be good enough reason to go absolutely that's enough for yeah like one and a

01:12:43.200 half one and a half bro you can't even handle one you shut up over there but but that's the thing where

01:12:50.000 are they they're in there i mean you know this is you know this is obviously a stereotype and a big

01:12:55.360 generalization but they're in their parents basement yeah playing video games that's right

01:12:59.520 playing video games give me another hot pocket and then they're on the internet being like

01:13:05.600 fuck andy and dj hey bro they don't even wait for the shit to cool down they eat it when it's hot

01:13:10.240 you know what i'm saying i can see it what was that is that is that how you know hot pockets

01:13:18.800 cool down bro they just no i let mine cool down bro when i do eat them there's a good medium

01:13:23.360 temperature yeah yeah no if you follow directions it has to like rest for like two minutes before you

01:13:28.000 at least two at least two minutes yeah yeah anyway yeah let's get on that you you mentioned the

01:13:34.320 influencer uh campaign yeah let's talk about that influence operation influence operation what's that

01:13:40.160 just so everybody knows well influence operation is when the kgb decides we're going to undermine

01:13:45.280 american society and it's well it could be ccp too right yeah i'm just as an example just for an

01:13:50.400 example kgb says you know what it's 1960 and america's our greatest enemy let's undermine their

01:13:56.080 entire society how do we do that well let's let's go let's put some things into the educational system

01:14:02.560 let's let's fund greenpeace to to stir up concerns about the climate change so they got they got i mean in

01:14:09.840 the 60s we had books about how overpopulation was going to destroy the world now we're on the verge of

01:14:15.600 a population collapse that's coming so quite the opposite of what was predicted by so many people in

01:14:20.800 the 1960s but the idea of the influence operation is let's destroy america from the inside by by creating

01:14:29.280 you know havoc you already said it it's like let's convince americans that their country is evil

01:14:35.280 let's convince americans that that one group is better than another group and they should hate

01:14:40.640 each other and fight each other and what what what better ways to do that than to create uh than to

01:14:46.160 undermine the idea of what we were doing during the civil rights era right work that's already been done

01:14:52.800 right yeah we undid it and hey and we so i think it started in the universities i think they got into the

01:15:00.400 universities and they and essentially um influence operation you start changing the minds of some

01:15:06.800 influential people who who go out and they become act activists no longer scientists but activists

01:15:12.880 who are who are spreading what is essentially a virus uh you know when they say a mind virus

01:15:20.000 a mind virus yeah exactly it's ideology man dude i've watched it happen in my life dude like when i when

01:15:26.320 i graduated high school which was 97 damn yeah i'm 44 years old bro what the that's the math

01:15:36.240 that's why i'm silver silverish and good looking you still look like a little boy that's what it is

01:15:40.880 yeah so it is what it is man get the up put your hat back on it's an improvement so so dude i watched

01:15:51.840 this right like when i went through school there was no such thing as a participation trophy there

01:15:58.640 we we we pledged allegiance all the way through high school at the beginning of school every single

01:16:03.040 day um competition was taught it was encouraged achievements were encouraged they were celebrated

01:16:10.480 uh desegregation programs were in the schools all the schools uh so that it taught you know inner city

01:16:17.520 culture black culture and white culture to to go together and everybody was getting along for the

01:16:22.480 most part bullying was okay yeah huh bullying i said bring yeah yeah bro like real talk um there was

01:16:30.160 it was okay to have physical fist fights now you got suspended for like a day and that was it and then

01:16:36.080 you shook hands and it was over there's now now they've right after i graduated they changed a lot of

01:16:41.520 shit they they stopped deseg okay and what's the product what's the product of stopping desegregation

01:16:46.640 after 20 years you have a black community and a white community that do not know how to relate

01:16:51.360 they don't know all these white kids that you see on the internet posting blm

01:16:56.640 shit they don't they're doing that because they think that's what they should do right if they actually

01:17:01.280 understood they wouldn't be it wouldn't be the way that they that's what makes them feel guilty it's

01:17:06.320 the white guilt all that shit comes from the end of desegregation and then they removed competition

01:17:12.000 and then they started villainizing capitalism and achievement and the rich man and all this

01:17:16.960 shit and now we have a generation of complete fucking pussies with that don't know how to operate in

01:17:22.800 the real world uh for the most part now there are some really good ones there's the kids whose parents

01:17:28.080 taught them right but they're the minority now and um and those parents are vilified for being

01:17:34.240 too hard and too hard irresponsible because they're not watching their child every moment

01:17:39.120 yeah it's crazy let it let their kid cut their penis off and and they're praised listen dude that's

01:17:45.360 going to go down in history no different this has already happened in history bro this happened

01:17:50.640 fucking jill biden said it yesterday it's she's like berlin was the capital of progressive is no

01:17:56.560 shit that's what the fuck the problem was that's what caused that all the shit fucking people were doing

01:18:02.960 all this crazy shit they were doing all they were cutting off their dicks they were doing

01:18:07.520 fucking there was mother-daughter prostitution kid prostitution and pedophilia was normal no

01:18:14.640 shit that wasn't the height that's not a good thing jill no like we don't want that here and uh

01:18:20.800 she she's this has already happened and so this era where parents are allowing themselves to

01:18:27.760 uh bend the knee to this ideology and letting their kids make irreversible like dude those parents

01:18:36.240 like 20 years from now are going to be like completely first of all they're going to be

01:18:40.800 complete failures as parents but second of all they're going to they're going to be vilified and

01:18:45.600 looked at like what the fuck were you doing your kid cut off his genitalia you allowed him to do that

01:18:50.800 you see what i'm saying the good news is is that now it's been banned in like 30 states a lot of states

01:18:56.080 but i mean dude it's it's crazy shit and this has already happened and it's destroying lives uh

01:19:03.200 it's not just the parents it's organized teachers yeah these teachers it's organized medicine dude i

01:19:08.800 think these people that do this shit like legit the the medical doctors that do these things should go to

01:19:14.560 jail that's my personal that's my personal opinion they should go to jail they that's bare minimum

01:19:20.400 they're fucking doing it for money bro they're not doing it for the kids if you listen to these

01:19:24.800 de-transitioners they they will tell them like bro they put me on hormones after one

01:19:30.160 fucking zoom call my surgery was scheduled for two weeks after that yeah not like well not that's

01:19:36.240 that's a little exaggeration but yeah dude i mean they're putting them on puberty blockers and hormones

01:19:41.120 and shit off one consultation like and they're shaming parents yeah don't play along dude some of them

01:19:47.840 are legally removing the kids from the home yeah yeah you lose your child this is crazy

01:19:52.560 shit dude and it's going to go down in history as a one of the more one of the biggest moral

01:19:57.440 corruptions and tragedies that's ever happened in human history no sacramento california i think just

01:20:03.680 declared itself a sanctuary city for children who want to transition didn't they haven't they learned

01:20:10.080 not to call themselves sanctuary cities for other reasons no apparently they want that yeah they

01:20:18.320 want that it's insane it's insane um yeah it's insane what's headline two yeah hello no two let's

01:20:24.800 talk about well like i said you brought up the influencer operation let's talk about influencers

01:20:29.520 we also said something about immigration illegal immigrants so let's just combine the two uh venezuelan

01:20:36.320 tick tocker lionel marino grimaces in his mugshot after being nabbed by ice for crossing into the

01:20:42.720 united states illegally then telling others how to on social media um so you we remember this guy yeah

01:20:50.080 remember this guy oh yeah he's the guy who's who's like holding money and waving money on tick tock

01:20:55.840 and telling people how to be school how to take advantage of squatter how to invade the united states

01:21:01.200 legally how to invade the yeah yeah he was real tough on that first video real tough real

01:21:06.000 i mean look at his fucking face real tough i would give a larger amount of money to punch that

01:21:11.520 guy right in the fucking face yeah just being honest well you know and so this is him uh you

01:21:16.160 know this is the money video you were referencing chris um you know he's talking about how good he's

01:21:20.480 doing he's received so much heat online people have been doxing him put out his address good

01:21:26.640 there's been pictures of his house that got put up um and this so this is him now yeah with snot

01:21:32.080 boogers going that's right saying pussy coming after me and uh talk that quote can you go back

01:21:37.680 to the prior photograph yeah yeah because the child looks different too doesn't he

01:21:44.080 not so much okay yeah no actually the child looks happier let's go let's go

01:21:49.440 see go go to the one where he's got snot because that makes me happy that makes me happy to look at

01:21:56.000 after his cocky fucking shit the other day that's what you get dude no you this is our country it's

01:22:01.120 not your country you're not going to come here and around with everybody and dude it's only a matter

01:22:05.520 of time before the american citizen does something to people like you who are doing this shit yeah

01:22:11.120 so like i'm glad that people are going after him that's what needs to happen the law's not doing

01:22:16.240 their job and people need to start standing up for themselves 100 so i mean in that video uh the one

01:22:21.920 with the snot uh one of the the lines he said he says quote my people they have gotten what they

01:22:26.880 wanted uh the envy has reached my family everything that's happening is because of your evilness they

01:22:32.400 want to silence me um he also said something about um no they don't want to silence you dude

01:22:38.720 he says i am in danger of death in the united states i need protection correct i'm being persecuted

01:22:43.760 my account has been blocked um because tiktok shut his account down also yeah well um because they uh

01:22:49.600 and they're in their you come here and you talk about taking people's homes dude that's what

01:22:53.760 they're gonna do yeah tiktok a spokesman from tiktok told david mail the platform doesn't allow users to

01:22:58.400 promote criminal activities which is exactly what he was doing um now to your point andy about american

01:23:04.080 standing up uh this is his mugshot by the way from from 2022 that doesn't even look like him no it's

01:23:08.960 definitely changed i guess that's just how good america can do for somebody um but to your point

01:23:15.760 though andy about you know america sticking together um this video that uh has been circulating

01:23:20.320 um that i saw you shared it to me actually um it's it's freaking amazing let's check this oh yeah

01:23:27.440 this is a good video

01:23:30.240 what's wrong so you got two two illegal immigrants

01:23:34.240 it's america it's america it's a free country guys it's a free country we can film in america so

01:23:44.800 this is this is interesting so they don't want you filming their stuff in america they're here

01:23:48.080 illegally no no mexico or venezuela

01:23:58.240 no okay so they're selling drugs out here doing drugs out here this is the america this is america

01:24:02.720 the democrats won there you go there you go okay say it again again that's what that's what they

01:24:11.200 think of you america that's what they're watching this these guys over here what did you say they're

01:24:15.680 they're throwing gang signs up man as if they own the country but you know just like i'm sitting here

01:24:20.000 we're not worried about that okay we're just gonna deal with what we got to whatever happens

01:24:24.400 happens but i'm gonna make sure that you all right and that we're okay as well yeah that's it

01:24:28.720 american people got to rise up man we got to get trump in 2024 it's unquestionably that's all the

01:24:33.600 democratic party stuff man this is what they brought our country to and we got to stop it

01:24:38.400 soon as trump get in it needs to be a mass deportation and watch them head for the board

01:24:42.640 hey we got a listener he must listen to the show we got a listener

01:24:48.160 no dude the temperature's changing man the temperature's changing people i mean because

01:24:52.240 because we're seeing it all over you got you got you got these illegal immigrants we should not be

01:24:56.000 here new york uh city just passed a bill where they're giving them almost like fifteen hundred

01:25:00.480 dollars a month yeah what are they giving our american citizens if they're promising to only

01:25:04.480 spend it on necessity like like essential items like okay um you know but but americans promise

01:25:11.040 yeah they promise promise they promised you know but americans are sick of it man look at this

01:25:16.320 picture this makes me so happy what a you're gonna get on the internet and talk all this

01:25:21.920 shit and then you're gonna show yourself crying with snot coming down your face

01:25:25.280 off dude yeah i'm yeah 100 i love that video of those guys for those of you that can't see the

01:25:31.920 video because we're still most of our listeners on audio it's it's two white dudes talking to two

01:25:38.000 venezuelans they're flipping them off they're saying fuck you they make a shape of a gun and then point

01:25:43.040 at the guy like the venezuelans do yeah and the white guys are like no dude we're we can film you we're

01:25:48.720 not doing anything and then they turn the camera and there's these two black guys sitting in the

01:25:53.360 car older dudes and those are the guys that said hey man we need mass deportation so if you didn't

01:25:58.640 see we're sitting there watching making sure nothing happens yeah that's right and they're

01:26:01.600 protecting them yeah and dude and this is what we need we need black people and we need white people

01:26:06.880 who are american citizens to understand what's happening here and start standing together that is

01:26:12.080 what and hispanic yeah for sure citizens and asian citizens yeah everybody the main divide that they

01:26:19.920 try to create is between white and black but yes we need all americans to stand together this is a

01:26:25.840 message that we've been saying on this show for years these people are going to try and take your

01:26:32.320 shit and if we don't stand together and we don't look out for each other there's going to be major

01:26:37.120 problems it's 100 man guys jumping on this conversation down in the comments let us know

01:26:42.080 what you guys think with that being said uh let's get over to our third and final headline headline

01:26:46.160 number three headline number three reads sam bankman freed sentenced to 25 years in prison

01:26:54.800 for orchestrating ftx fraud this just came out today it's a big topic i don't know if you call this a

01:27:00.880 win but let's dive into it uh sbf was sentenced thursday to 25 years in prison for his

01:27:06.960 role in defrauding users of the collapsed cryptocurrency exchange ftx in a federal

01:27:12.480 courtroom in lower manhattan us district judge lewis caplan called the defense argument misleading

01:27:18.240 logically flawed and speculative he said bankman freed had obstructed justice and tampered with

01:27:24.560 witnesses in mounting his defense something caplan said he weighed uh weighed in in his sentencing

01:27:30.960 decision uh bankman free wearing a beige jailhouse jumpsuit uh struck an apologetic tone saying he had

01:27:39.600 made a series of selfish decisions while leading ftx and quote threw it all away uh quote it haunts me

01:27:46.000 every day he said in his statement prosecutors have sought as much as 50 years while bankman freed's

01:27:51.040 legal team argued for no more than six and a half years he was convicted on seven criminal counts in

01:27:55.280 november and have been held at the metropolitan detention center in brooklyn uh since um in a

01:28:01.520 statement following thursday's sentencing damian williams united states attorney for the southern

01:28:06.080 district of new york said bankman freed had orchestrated one of the largest frauds in financial

01:28:11.600 history quote today's sentence will prevent the defendant from ever again committing fraud

01:28:16.720 and is an important message to others who might be tempted to engage in financial crimes that justice

01:28:21.920 will be swift and the consequences will be severe uh bankman freed uh plans to appeal both this

01:28:28.880 convention and sentence a spokesperson for his parents issued a statement um on their behalf

01:28:33.600 quote we are heartbroken and will continue to fight for our son um i just want to know this is my

01:28:41.440 only burning question okay because we're talking i believe it was something to the tune of like eight

01:28:46.000 billion dollars yeah eight billion dollars the company at one point was valued at like 30 billion

01:28:52.320 right but eight billion dollars of people's hard-earned money was given to this man it all went to the

01:28:59.520 democratic platform or a large majority of it did where's that money at where does it is it gonna go

01:29:07.200 like what's the actual restitution on the people's part like sure he's going to jail you know i might get

01:29:11.760 a salad tossed a few times but like where's the money well let's remember that jislaine maxwell went to

01:29:18.400 prison for trafficking minors to nobody right all right right well no this is no this is no different

01:29:29.680 this is the same thing that i believe that this dude was placed in a position to do this guy's an

01:29:37.760 idiot he's a patsy yeah for sure yeah this guy's an idiot he's a useful idiot they played to his ego

01:29:44.560 they got him tons of money he got to be around celebrities bro he was so smug hit that troll of

01:29:51.920 a girlfriend he had to oh fuck yeah fucking thought she was hot shit they were on the internet on podcasts

01:29:58.000 talking about all this money they made and how rich they were and how they had this alternative

01:30:03.040 lifestyle with like 40 people living in a house and they're all having orgies every night and

01:30:07.600 they were like so smug about it all the hot pockets yeah possible they didn't earn a fucking

01:30:11.520 single penny and they took everybody's money and then they gave it to the democrat who very likely

01:30:19.120 the intelligence agencies are the democrat on speculating placed this man in this position to

01:30:24.000 to do this to do that and i don't think he's saying it because dude they know that he'll get killed

01:30:28.240 immediately well his butthole is definitely bro i had the craziest conversation last night i i didn't even

01:30:34.160 get to tell you about this so there's this guy with this diddy this puff daddy shit oh man that

01:30:40.800 shit's our listen i'm not going to say this guy's name but this guy was very close to diddy very close

01:30:48.400 and if i said who he was you probably recognize his name i spent two hours on the phone with him last

01:30:53.040 night okay this dude went from a to z all the these people do like and it was insane like and i even

01:31:04.480 told him i'm like bro i don't know that you should come on the show and talk about this because like it

01:31:11.840 it's a lot of the that people speculate about like dude like satanic codes and freemasonry and like all

01:31:20.720 this crazy shit he's like dude he's like look man he's like they fucking kill people all the time

01:31:25.760 they don't even fucking think twice about it he's any dude dude it was my understanding of the diddy

01:31:32.080 situation is that diddy was essentially epstein for the rap industry that's pretty much what yeah but

01:31:37.600 there's these people everywhere yeah that's the thing in all different industries this is how they

01:31:41.040 control all the right dude we've said this on the show a hundred times and this this guy who i was

01:31:47.280 talking to confirmed all of those things and it like dude it was it was crazy dude like i mean

01:31:53.760 and he wasn't it wasn't bullshit i mean he was crying and like it was you know you could tell when

01:32:00.080 people are full of this guy wasn't full of he was scared as and he's like bro i'm

01:32:04.480 afraid they're listening to me right now and i said well if you're talking to me they definitely are

01:32:08.000 yeah so you know uh but dude it was crazy he went through like this isaac cappy

01:32:15.200 shit you know who that is that guy that got killed after he started talking about all the

01:32:19.120 people on epstein's island he apparently committed suicide off the bridge oh yeah just dude it was

01:32:25.680 it was crazy and like he wants to come on the show i think but like i don't know like how this

01:32:32.400 i don't know yeah and plus dude i want to vet the i don't want him coming on

01:32:38.000 just saying all this without proof we gotta have some evidence yeah i mean there's ways to do it we

01:32:42.560 could put a voice changer on him and you know dim the lights on him give him a kanye mask yeah give

01:32:46.480 him a kanye mask and deep in his voice well anyway bro it was so crazy i walked in the house and i had

01:32:52.160 to put the put it on speakerphone so that emily could hear what what was being said because i was like i've

01:32:57.120 never done that in my life ever i'm like i just gotta have someone hear this so that they know they

01:33:01.760 know i'm not just making it up it was fucking insane that's crazy yeah yes i mean that's my biggest

01:33:07.600 question like because they know he stole the money they knew it was stolen money before he

01:33:12.240 they even pressed submit on the fucking transactions do those will the people get their money back no

01:33:19.680 fuck no yeah i think i think where is the money that's my question that's the question you asked

01:33:25.840 that and that's the right question i think in 25 years i i was looking at a chart i think it was in

01:33:34.240 today's journal wall street journal that he i think 25 years for a financial crime is either

01:33:39.920 number two or number three in terms of the longest length of a sentence and they have to serve 80

01:33:45.440 i think is that correct that's typical uh bernie madoff was given 150 years that was his sentence

01:33:52.960 did he steal as much as sam make me free that i don't know i don't think so i don't think so i mean

01:33:57.280 this was let's pull it up how much did bernie bernie madoff uh bernie madoff steal elizabeth

01:34:03.200 theranos was pretty far down the list she i think she got 11 or 12 years yeah dude i think this guy's

01:34:09.120 just an idiot and he he he got placed in the situation oh yeah no bernie madoff was way more

01:34:15.840 yeah 20 billion oh okay but this is second he died right yeah he died in prison yeah right don't

01:34:22.000 steal people's money this looks like a um like a porn hub thumbnail doesn't it he's gonna have

01:34:30.160 problems in prison he's gonna have problems he's gonna have this ain't shawshank redemption bro you

01:34:34.560 going down yeah there's no chance this guy knows how to fight or anything look at him they forced him

01:34:40.640 to take the picture yeah yeah he's gonna have problems oh man i don't feel bad for well i don't

01:34:46.480 either oh okay why is the guy standing next to him why is there not a black dot over his face i

01:34:52.000 don't know who is he because they don't like it's weird there's four guys with black dots covering

01:34:57.360 their face so you don't know who they are but there's that one one guy who doesn't look very

01:35:00.880 friendly no he doesn't look friendly at all maybe that's his boyfriend he's taking all the cornbread

01:35:05.840 maybe they're a couple it's possible yeah he's taking all the cornbread for sure i mean it does

01:35:09.760 sam does look like a little woman next to him like whatever you want baby he's gonna have to

01:35:18.160 stock up on that syrup and jelly bro and that kool-aid packs man they wear that shit is lipstick in

01:35:23.280 there oh that's real shit how do you know bro like you ever seen 60 days in or like scared straight

01:35:30.320 bro like that's real shit they make you take the take the kool-aid packet you know you lick and you

01:35:35.440 dip your your finger there and you like put it on your lips it makes it like lipstick

01:35:39.760 it's real shit

01:35:41.840 you learn something every day well hey moving on i don't know what to say to that guys jump in on

01:35:51.680 this conversation down in the comments let us know what you guys think uh with that being said we got

01:35:55.860 to uh our final segment of the show we got thumbs up or dumb as fuck now chris this is what we bring

01:35:59.680 as a headline and we talk about it and we'll get one of those two options um but i figured since we

01:36:04.340 have a guess to let you guys choose which uh which topic you want to do so what i'm going to do is i'm

01:36:10.340 going to just show a picture of two different articles um and then you guys can make the decision

01:36:15.620 of uh of what we're going to go what rabbit hole we want to go down on okay um so the first picture

01:36:22.900 first article here's your choice okay oh man all right so there's your first article ouch okay

01:36:29.540 and then your second article is this

01:36:33.860 one or two one yeah i agree one yeah damn two was really good was it two's good but uh

01:36:41.060 all right let's go to one well what's going on in this two i listen all right we're going we're going

01:36:46.900 with two right no we're going with this one oh you want the you want the twins yeah well it looks

01:36:52.340 like a woman has two heads with what's going on yeah so you oh so this is where we're going yeah

01:36:57.060 oh this is great it's perfect oh this is the one you thought was good this is about yeah this is

01:37:00.500 yeah they're both good this is what this was the one i was okay you want they want this one yeah

01:37:04.740 all right let's dive into it our thumbs up or dumb as fuck headline reads abby hensel is married

01:37:12.580 conjoined twin who rose to fame and reality show abby and britney secretly tied the knot with an army

01:37:18.660 veteran in 2021 um so these these twins they are conjoined right at the upper thoracic cavity but they

01:37:25.540 share everything else okay everything else they got it they got they got two heads but one body

01:37:31.220 one vagina right yeah i get it yeah one one whole body though yeah right okay there's not like

01:37:37.380 multiple right just one vagina that's what one body means okay i got it yep yeah

01:37:42.420 two heads up um but yeah so they were on a reality show i mean they're probably lucky to

01:37:47.620 still be alive yeah it's possible yeah i mean i mean surgery is not an option you can't really remove

01:37:54.820 that um oh how you split a vagina yeah all right come on let's go

01:38:01.700 what'd he say what'd he say he said you split an adam not a eve oh man all right so an american

01:38:17.780 teacher who shot to fame on a reality tv series with her conjoined twin quietly married three years ago

01:38:24.180 uh 28 years after captivating the world with an appearance on oprah abby hensel now 34 from minnesota

01:38:29.860 to tie the knot with josh bowling 33 a nurse an army veteran in 2021 according to public records

01:38:36.420 obtained by today um abby and her sister britney only uh one of only a few sets of disyphilis

01:38:43.700 twins in history to survive infancy rose to fame on their eponymous tlc show which chronicled their

01:38:49.380 major life events including their high school graduation and job hunting the pair share a single

01:38:55.620 body and from the waist down all of their organs including the intestine bladder and reproductive

01:39:00.740 organs are shared in a documentary filmed when the girls were teenagers their mother said they were

01:39:06.340 keen to have children of their own one day explaining quote that is probably something that could work

01:39:12.180 because those organs do work for them um quote yeah we're going to be moms britney agreed in another

01:39:17.780 interview britney reiterated their desire to have their own family um to have their own saying quote

01:39:22.980 the whole world doesn't need to know who we are seeing um and what we are doing and when we are

01:39:28.660 going to do it but believe me we are totally different people abby added quote yeah we are

01:39:34.340 going to be moms one day but we don't want to talk about how it's going to work yet abby's relationship

01:39:39.620 with josh who is a father of one has gone under the radar until now with the twins leading a quieter

01:39:45.780 life out of the spotlight in the last 10 years but here's a video from the wedding day

01:39:52.980 i don't think that's a deal

01:40:15.940 i don't think that's a good deal i mean okay so he so the one reason i say that is not because

01:40:23.700 like they're weird or anything but like you got to listen to two sets of two mouths yeah

01:40:29.060 you know what i'm saying like you got two complaints two two sets of rules two people

01:40:32.980 telling you to take out the trash yeah so doc

01:40:36.580 so you see we marry the one on the left um so what's the other one she's yeah voyaging

01:40:46.340 does the other one get a husband or a partner as well that would be really awkward and matt oh you

01:40:54.340 know the the original famous siamese twins who lived in the 1800s were were two men that i think they were

01:41:03.460 they they they were a little i don't remember the details but they were i think it was their

01:41:09.220 torsos were connected and they each had their own wives and they had children and and very

01:41:17.300 very sick they were financially successful and i mean they were i think siamese they think they were

01:41:22.820 from siam what the country of what was then siam i read about all this in the guinness book of world

01:41:28.980 records back when i was a child but like like they had phenomenal lives yeah oh they had children

01:41:34.820 and families and and happy marriages and and amazing i mean look dude my take on it is everybody's got

01:41:43.780 a right to be happy you know what i'm saying absolutely yeah and like dude you know can't help

01:41:49.220 that you're born and different and you know even if you're not born that way when you can be different

01:41:54.420 i learned a lot of that when i got stabbed like when i got stabbed and my face was disfigured real

01:41:58.820 bad for about a year and a half my face was swollen up like like this big like the size of a grapefruit

01:42:04.900 outside of my head and uh it never went down so like i had not just scars but i had like an actual

01:42:12.580 fucking grapefruit stuck to the side of my face for a year and like everybody treats you weird

01:42:18.500 nobody would look you in the face everybody looked away nobody would make eye contact and it and it taught me

01:42:24.660 uh a very important lesson about people who have differences or physical disfigurements or

01:42:32.500 like bro those are people too like and they have hearts and they have brains and

01:42:36.820 they're they deal with this every day so like i mean as is you know like you can make little jokes

01:42:44.100 about it or whatever right yeah it's probably awkward that they gotta like

01:42:47.700 fuck the same dude and shit right like yeah but like at the same time

01:42:52.740 you know it's it is what it is and they're figuring out a way to make it work and i think

01:42:56.820 that's cool absolutely yeah i agree so yeah i don't you know who are we to judge they look happy

01:43:03.940 yeah they do look happy yeah and i think that's cool i think he looks happy yeah he does he looks

01:43:09.940 like he loves it yeah and i'm i'm it's all good man it's all good with me yep huh did you say they

01:43:19.780 got they them pronouns is that the fuck you said bro you're going to hell you're going to hell oh

01:43:27.300 fuck you're going to hell it ain't even me man i know

01:43:32.820 it's my dot i'm not and fucking joe i'm trying to be cool hey i think it's cool bro i give it

01:43:39.860 thumbs up yeah thumbs up thumbs up all right thumbs up i think it's all right andy doctor free that's

01:43:45.940 all i got chris thanks so much for coming on the show man this was blast yeah it's awesome having me

01:43:51.780 dj andy dude you guys if you guys want to know more about his book check it out it's available

01:43:57.860 on amazon it's available in bookstores it's called operator syndrome uh i think it'd be very helpful

01:44:03.300 for a lot of you guys who are struggling um maybe not just with ptsd but just trying to figure yourselves

01:44:09.940 out things that you can do uh try to get to the root cause of the problem and um i think you'll get

01:44:16.420 a lot of benefit out of it so give it a try operator syndrome uh dude thanks for writing

01:44:21.700 this book too um i think it's awesome what you're doing it's awesome work what you're doing

01:44:26.100 i think it's innovating how people are fixing themselves and getting better and

01:44:30.500 uh i just appreciate your friendship bro thank you yeah i appreciate yours andy and i would just say

01:44:36.660 you know part of the idea of the book is it's it's a book written it's a practical book it's written

01:44:41.940 for the community but it's not just for operators and their families it's also you know i think highly

01:44:47.860 relevant to responders law enforcement firefighters soldiers or people who have dealt with chronic

01:44:53.460 stress for a long period of time yeah yeah i mean even ceos that have built things and done things

01:44:58.740 their whole lives you know like it's hard man if you're a warrior yeah it's the book may be for you

01:45:04.180 that yeah that was my that was my intent yeah yeah check it out guys for sure and uh don't be a ho

01:45:10.660 show the show yeah went from sleeping on the floor now my jewelry box froze

01:45:15.780 fuck a pole fucker stole counted millions in the code bad bitch booted slow got her on bankroll can't fold

01:45:23.300 just a no head shot case close close

REAL AF with Andy Frisella - March 29, 2024

677. Andy, Chris Frueh & DJ CTI： Baltimore Ship, Venezuelan TikToker Caught By ICE & Sam Bankman-Fried Sentenced To 25 Years

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