REAL AF with Andy Frisella - 687. The Power Of Daily Discipline Ft. Michael Chandler

00:00:00.000 what is up guys it's andy for selling this is the show for the realists say goodbye to the lies to

00:00:21.120 fakeness and delusions of modern society and welcome to motherfucking reality guys today

00:00:28.100 instead of our uh normal cruise the internet episode we have a special guest i'm gonna get

00:00:34.460 right into it let's do it yeah michael chandler what's up bro dude living the dream dude i just

00:00:41.260 got the tour of the hq here absolutely ridiculous so pumped up to be here man thanks bro it's so

00:00:46.700 good to see you man you too man yeah it's awesome so a lot of you guys may or may not know but michael

00:00:52.040 and i grew up 10 minutes from each other and uh we've been trying to connect for years yep and uh

00:00:59.820 dude it's really cool to finally have you here especially after the big announcement this weekend

00:01:03.540 crazy 48 hours ago dude yeah what do you so i texted you right after i was like hey monday's about to be

00:01:08.340 lit yeah yeah what was the big announcement there's this there's this yeah there's this fight yeah

00:01:14.420 this is a little thing we don't worry we'll get into it later we'll gloss over it so dude um

00:01:21.640 how you feeling about everything dude honestly you know i've kind of made the joke um i really have

00:01:28.560 been in a very unique position the last it's been about 16 months really you know got done with my

00:01:34.020 last fight in november of 2022 uh january i get a phone call hey you want to do the ultimate fighter

00:01:39.680 against conor mcgregor fight it right after the season my answer of course is absolutely

00:01:44.120 we do the ultimate fighter and then since the fight the show wrapped up in august um we've kind

00:01:49.580 of just been gone back and forth so i feel like i call it mma purgatory i've kind of been i've waited

00:01:54.400 too long to not stay on the train of fighting conor i've had enough behind the scenes indications that

00:02:01.520 the fight's definitely happening even though media even though the fans even though everybody's like

00:02:05.440 this fight's never happening he's never coming back so honestly it's a huge weight lifted off my

00:02:09.800 shoulders that we can finally talk about it i've known for months that the fight was going to be

00:02:13.000 june 29th um but wasn't exactly public about it and uh now we can talk about it now the cat is out

00:02:20.060 the bag and we got 75 hard days between dude right now we were talking about this this morning so he

00:02:26.820 sends me a text at like 6 a.m and he's like bro i was going to tell you later but do you know how many

00:02:34.880 days it is until my fight and i'm like no and he's like 75 days and i'm like holy shit man yeah the fact

00:02:41.780 that i'm so crazy with the godfather of 75 hard is and now we are we're about to go into this

00:02:48.000 training i mean i've already kind of started but yeah the fact that it got announced and uh this is

00:02:52.460 the first monday uh after it gets announced 75 days man just a dream come true it's gonna be exciting

00:02:57.540 i told you bro i'm gonna go hard as hard as i can for i'm already on i'm like day 30 on 75 right now

00:03:03.620 but i'm just gonna finish that out and do phase one uh so i can be done on the same day you're done

00:03:08.380 yeah so i'll be done on fight day dude let's go yeah so i'll be doing it with you not the same

00:03:13.240 stuff obviously well i mean yeah i might have dj punch me in the face there you go you got a couple

00:03:17.380 Spartan sessions man you guys got you got a you got a full basketball quarter over there you got the

00:03:21.160 gyms i heard there were some mats but you had to clear them out for something yeah they're usually

00:03:24.420 right there next to the court yeah the guys train uh jiu-jitsu there every uh i don't know tuesday

00:03:28.960 and thursdays tuesday wednesday thursday seven yeah dude so crazy man yeah man so dude how did this all

00:03:37.260 the the the fight i mean was there a lot of negotiation or was it pretty much like okay

00:03:43.080 we could do this i uh i already kind of had my stuff set up because i i had the foresight to

00:03:48.900 negotiate with the ufc hey here's my contract but if i fight connor here's my contract and we came to

00:03:54.120 an agreement um so it's kind of already been set and i'm very happy with it and lo and behold

00:03:59.260 obviously that fight happened the ufc knew about my contract they were completely okay with it all

00:04:03.960 happening and the ufc is awesome man they they have been absolute dream to work with behind the

00:04:10.200 scenes even though there's been so much craziness going on you know i mean just for a quick timeline

00:04:15.680 of people who haven't really followed it all there was the big you know the drug testing thing because

00:04:19.300 connor was outside of usada the drug testing pool and that was a big hang up then he got into the usada

00:04:25.240 testing pool then they switched drug testing agencies now he's going to be in the new drug testing

00:04:29.020 agency for six months um so it's just been how do they test you for that is it consistently

00:04:34.900 completely random so i gotta i got my location on my phone so my location they know where my

00:04:38.740 location is technically they could call me right now and i have basically two hours is the time limit

00:04:42.980 if you don't show up to where they are or them to you in a two-hour time frame you get a whereabouts

00:04:47.740 failure um you do get three you know it's not like a one and done you get suspended but if you do

00:04:52.260 three whereabouts failures you get suspended for the minimum two years um so it's completely

00:04:57.440 random we are under we're still under wada so it's the same thing the ncaa nfl nhl mlb uses i believe

00:05:04.280 um and it's completely random and here we are dude now it's it's been cool to watch you come up and do

00:05:11.940 your thing especially being a fellow st louisian right missouri missourian you know every time we

00:05:18.340 talk it's always a conversation about two freaking redneck missouri dudes putting it together man dudes

00:05:25.640 that weren't supposed to be here and so here we are like what i guess we'll keep going and it's

00:05:29.620 been really cool bro to follow your career and see you come up and see you do what you've what you've

00:05:34.880 been doing and and what you're gonna do um i mean when you when you think back and you think like

00:05:43.240 you know growing up in in house springs and high ridge you know which isn't exactly you know for

00:05:49.300 people that don't know it's it's it's it's uh it's not poor it's just it's regular america regular

00:05:56.940 america middle class yeah middle class midwestern you know place and uh you know to be where you are

00:06:06.020 right now i mean it's fucking awesome dude and like when you think back to like all like did you

00:06:14.000 ever i think this is might be a silly question but i just got to ask it i mean did you ever think like

00:06:18.760 this is where you wanted to end up or or how did this all play out for you no i mean honestly i

00:06:23.700 didn't even know professional athletic for me to be a professional athlete never really thought about

00:06:28.440 it i don't really think i ever you know first of all i was four foot 11 100 pounds in high school

00:06:34.300 going into high school i wasn't going to be the star quarterback i wasn't going to be playing

00:06:37.780 basketball yeah um so i knew i had to wrestle wrestled 103 pounds um so i never really thought about

00:06:43.020 being a professional athlete man but so the fact that i've been a professional athlete now for 16

00:06:47.680 years and had the success i've had is just crazy um and then in the sport of wrestling there's really

00:06:52.500 no path after i mean you can maybe go to the olympics and that but that's not it's professional

00:06:57.440 or freestyle or something yeah it's professional athletics kind of but it's not a it's not a big glory

00:07:01.740 thing you know it's it's it's training for the olympics and i was never going to be able to do that

00:07:05.880 um but yeah wrestled northwest high school uh was never never a state champ um and truth be told

00:07:12.600 nobody really wanted me at the division one level um i had i had some scholarship offers from some

00:07:18.000 local schools linenwood central missouri state missouri baptist uh but for some reason something

00:07:23.300 in me said hey if i'm going to wrestle i'm going to try to wrestle at the highest level and i took a

00:07:27.920 chance and i walked on to mizzou and coach didn't know my name coach brian smith is still there you

00:07:33.020 know he didn't really look at me there for the first year um ended up after my first year i got a

00:07:38.020 starting starting spot but i went to i went to the university of missouri completely okay with

00:07:43.300 riding the bench for five years if i had to um going through all the workouts never never reaching

00:07:49.320 the pinnacle which would be becoming an all-american the division one level um but so i took that chance

00:07:55.060 on myself walked on and ended up becoming an all-american captain of the team four-year uh four-year

00:08:00.260 starter four-year national qualifier for mizzou um and then friends of ours tyron woodley ben askrin

00:08:06.580 wrestle with both of those guys they were kind of like my big brothers i'm the oldest of three boys

00:08:10.080 so i didn't have older guys to look up to a lot those are the kind of the first big brothers i had

00:08:16.280 and they started fighting and uh ended up graduating in may of 2009 fought my first fight

00:08:22.240 at lake of the ozarks at some holiday inn ballroom guy at lake of the ozarks i got paid 500 bucks

00:08:28.300 and after we paid after we paid for hotel if we paid for travel and gas and food i think i lost like

00:08:34.180 38 bucks yeah uh so i was negative for the you know but that's how you kind of get going and then

00:08:38.920 man then through bellator and now in the ufc and now fighting the biggest combat sports athlete of

00:08:44.060 all time connor dude that's crazy 75 days so so how many fights did it take you to go from like

00:08:49.840 fighting in the in the bars because dude we all know what that's like because that's like a big

00:08:54.160 thing around here man we all love to go watch the local tickets and they're fun you watch they're

00:08:58.820 they're fun and you're seeing people fighting at at kind of that that that level where it's like

00:09:04.000 dude i just want to get somewhere and i gotta fight my tail off they're fighting more than just

00:09:08.460 the opponent yeah yeah dude for sure i mean i love the local level fighters yeah no they're always fun

00:09:13.900 man fun and character filled and the crowd and it's just dude it's it's like it's the epitome of

00:09:19.640 you know kind of just at beer beer drinking parties with your buddies and then a fight breaks out

00:09:24.960 you're like let's go man yeah yeah so dude how how long did it take you to go from that to bellator

00:09:30.360 man i i got i gotta say i i have a very very fortunate path when it came to that i had that

00:09:35.400 first i only had one local show really one local show like the lake of the ozarks missouri it's still

00:09:40.640 on youtube um i fought a guy named kyle swadley who wrestled at lindenwood i think he was one to

00:09:45.500 know at the time it was first blood promotion and uh then they you know as you know you because

00:09:52.040 you've probably seen some of the strike force fights that come to town or bellator

00:09:54.720 they um partner with a local promoter and the local promoter finds local talent because how do

00:10:00.300 you sell tickets you get a guy like me who's got 200 something people from high ridge missouri i can

00:10:04.780 sell uh tickets to them and that's how you put butts in seats and sell out the arenas so i fought

00:10:09.720 strike force undercard strike force undercard one in kansas city one in st louis and then i had i had

00:10:16.040 a moment where they said i had a strike force offer and i had a bellator offer but to me strike force

00:10:21.880 was kind of just a a big wide open net of hey you're signing with the organization and then you're

00:10:26.860 going to get some fights and then eventually maybe fight for the title if you get good enough or you

00:10:30.100 are good enough but bellator had a clear path because back then they used to do a tournament

00:10:34.760 so i fought um two fights in two or three months and then i got the go ahead to say if you win these

00:10:41.940 first two fights you'll be in the tournament and i got in the tournament i fought fought march april may

00:10:45.980 so i fought three fights in three months and then i fought eddie alvarez who was the number three guy

00:10:49.900 in the world at the time so i somehow go from may of 2009 to november 2011 and i'm fighting for a

00:10:59.380 world title against the number three guy in the world so it was just a crazy crazy meteoric rise

00:11:04.560 really and i had finished most of my opponents i think i'd finished nine of my or sorry eight of my

00:11:10.260 nine fights and like seven of those in the first round and then i had a knockdown drag out

00:11:14.460 war with eddie ended up beating him and it uh so it was very very quick honestly which is which

00:11:20.280 was awesome it's a huge blessing but there was there was some growing pains that i had to go

00:11:24.240 through because i i hadn't sometimes it's the right path but it's a little bit too quick right

00:11:28.320 sometimes you're the right guy you're just not the right guy yet and i think i i use the the training

00:11:34.000 that i had all those years through fighting and i looked across the cage against eddie alvarez who had

00:11:37.560 like 30 fights at the time or 20 something fights and i'm like dude i'm gonna beat this guy i know

00:11:41.880 i'm gonna beat him and i go out there and i beat him and then you know later on i had a couple

00:11:45.840 losses and it's been little ups and downs here but it's constantly continued to grow and it's

00:11:49.800 so it's a very cool path and uh you know being outside the ufc for so long coming over to the ufc

00:11:55.800 and then getting a title shot my second fight and you know fight in the promotion um was part of kind

00:12:01.980 of that build up that led me to where we are today did you have to handle the crowd pressure during

00:12:06.840 that time like that fast track did you ever have any like self-doubt of like do i belong here or

00:12:12.640 was it did you kind of just were you able to block out the noise i'll tell you what it was

00:12:16.220 and because i i can i stand firm on knowing that i live a champion lifestyle more than anybody else

00:12:22.480 i have ever met in the sport of mixed martial arts and that's nothing against anybody else there's

00:12:26.060 other guys who do it right i just truly believe i do it better and i do it different and more

00:12:30.260 attention to detail but i was building up this body i was doing all the physical things

00:12:35.340 um but i wasn't really taking care of the mindset part of things i wasn't really i wasn't really

00:12:40.440 winning the battle between the ears and you do start to feel the pressure you do start to hear

00:12:45.160 hear the doubt or you do start to drink your own kool-aid of hey he's the next big thing because

00:12:49.660 right i i beat eddie alvarez and then immediately like well that's cool he beat eddie alvarez he's a

00:12:54.400 top five guy in the world but we want to see him fight anthony pettis in the ufc we want to see him

00:12:58.140 fight benson henderson who were the champions at the time and you start to feel this pressure and i started to

00:13:03.620 get this i started to get this so much pressure put on myself to be perfect right because you win

00:13:10.340 the world title you're you in your mind you know you earned it but you don't really know if you

00:13:15.260 deserved it maybe it was too quick so then i had my first loss to eddie uh coincidentally lost the

00:13:22.900 rematch and then i lost three fights in a row 688 days i went without winning a fight so and for those

00:13:29.400 that do follow the sport or don't follow the sport that's kind of like a career death sentence for a

00:13:33.500 fighter losing three fights in a row um so i did i started to feel that pressure i started to because

00:13:39.480 once you win a world title and everyone's looking at you now it's not just hey i'm gonna go in i'm

00:13:43.680 gonna have fun today right if you meet me and you're going i could beat you for four minutes and 50

00:13:48.240 seconds of a round but if i lose 10 seconds of a round to me that was a failure so i failed every

00:13:53.800 single day and when you when you feel like you're failing every single day when you're really not

00:13:57.700 it's all about perspective i felt like i was failing every single day every single day wasn't

00:14:02.140 a day to get better and have fun and enjoy this beautiful life that i get to live it was either

00:14:05.860 hey i'm perfect or i'm a loser i'm i'm gonna perfect i'm gonna dominate everybody or i'm a failure

00:14:11.540 and uh so i kind of fell into that trap and right now i was i back then i was sad i was depressed i

00:14:18.580 was upset i was mad i was all the emotions but now i look back at that and think man i had to go

00:14:22.600 through that i had to be forged in a major yeah yeah i had to man and and now it's made me a better

00:14:29.260 fighter it's it's it's propelled me to where i am i'm a better husband because of it a better father

00:14:34.060 because of a better businessman just a better man because of it yeah people don't stop to think

00:14:39.740 you know when you're pushing to be great or pushing to be the best at what you do you're going

00:14:48.280 to it's always it feels like you're losing it feels like you're struggling right because you're

00:14:53.040 pushing the boundaries and the boundary to push it you you have all these setbacks and all these

00:14:58.400 doubts like when you lose three fights in a row bro that's a mental that's a mental battle you know

00:15:04.320 what i'm saying and people sometimes think that like winning and moving forward feels good but it

00:15:10.200 doesn't ever feel good it always feels like a major struggle i i think of the times when i've elevated

00:15:15.640 in my life dude and they've been the hardest times of my life no doubt like no doubt but like you said

00:15:21.020 dude it's what teaches you everything you need to know yep you know yeah and when you and when you

00:15:26.440 have a a setback or a loss you know i i talk about these three big mistakes that i made too you know

00:15:31.860 right away and and it was partly because you know you kind of you start to hear hear all the chatter

00:15:37.480 and hear all the noise but but until something bad happens and you're like oh i knew it i knew what

00:15:41.700 they said there it is they were all right when really they weren't yeah right it but it was my

00:15:46.900 perception of it right so i i immediately i wanted to hide from everybody i got i got offered to come

00:15:52.340 out and present the or present an award at the world mma awards for fight of the year and all the

00:15:56.660 different stuff wasn't errands from my phone i wanted to hide from it right now man i wear my losses

00:16:01.180 on i wear my heart losses on my sleeve i'm almost proud of them i'm almost i'm almost just proud to be

00:16:07.120 in to be the man in the arena right and not almost i am proud to be that man in the arena because it

00:16:12.720 doesn't matter if i fall flat on my face my next 10 fights i'm going to pick myself up and you're

00:16:17.620 still going to see the blueprint for how a man continues to operate through the series of

00:16:22.420 vicissitudes and the ups and the downs of what we call life mine is just in a cage right and then

00:16:27.820 i forgot how good i was you know you have that first loss you're like well i just i'm just not good

00:16:33.880 anymore right you're like no dude i was just as fast just as strong just as powerful when i walked

00:16:38.200 into that cage is when i walked out of that cage it was just my perception in my mind you know and

00:16:42.620 then you kind of fall into that comfort jail cell of of of self-pity you start pointing the fingers

00:16:48.200 you know all these different mistakes that i needed to make that really were immature and i'm glad we all

00:16:53.200 have to go through those immature moments we all have those immature moments but they make you into

00:16:57.480 the mature man that you are today you know and even thinking about you know the old story about

00:17:02.320 the man pushing the rock right god comes to him in a vision says he's pushed the rock right by the

00:17:06.420 hill and he's pushing the rock and he's pushing the rock and he can't he can't move it he can't

00:17:09.860 budge it maybe it moves an inch and that comes back two inches right his shoulders are jacked up his

00:17:13.540 hands are bleeding and he finally he's just like god why would you why would you send me on this

00:17:17.640 journey if you knew i wasn't gonna push this rock up the hill and he's like dude i didn't tell you

00:17:21.720 to push the rock up the hill i just told you to push the rock just push the rock and so it's the

00:17:26.860 obedience and moving forward and like you said that visual of thinking about the hardest some of the

00:17:31.920 hardest times in your life is when you are winning right because you're always pushing and you're

00:17:35.420 always forgetting about what people are saying and continuing to move forward doesn't always feel

00:17:40.340 good yeah that's why people follow you and watch you and we don't follow you because of the virtual

00:17:44.680 certainty of your success but because of your failures that's what we love as human beings yeah

00:17:49.800 because we can all relate yeah right we've we failed eight times out of ten nine times out of ten

00:17:55.480 and that's the reality of pursuing anything worthy do you ever stop and think how fortunate you are

00:18:02.540 to have had those lessons at such a young age in life because a lot of people they don't they spend

00:18:10.020 their whole lives and they never learn what you're talking about and because of the circumstances of

00:18:14.340 your life you were able to learn these lessons as a young man not as an old man yes think about that

00:18:20.460 no i do because especially in a sport like mixed martial arts that obviously i i am so truly blessed

00:18:26.620 to be in the sport man it's it's made me who i am it's made me a beautiful life a beautiful fortune a

00:18:31.440 beautiful living and the the platform that i have everything goes back to mixed martial arts

00:18:36.720 um and i've seen so many guys who maybe had more talent than me or maybe had were even bigger than me at

00:18:42.480 one point and i've continued to gain ground and continue to pass them up and continue to grow bigger and

00:18:47.380 and and it's just but it was only because of the lessons that i had to go go through you know in

00:18:52.660 in doing it with as much humility as i possibly could and and it really does have so much to do

00:18:59.520 with how i was raised right my mom and dad went through things their entire life they went they were

00:19:03.920 working two and three jobs non-stop my dad was up every single morning putting his carpenter work boots

00:19:07.980 on every single day at five in the morning and watching the way that they operated watching the way

00:19:13.400 that they lived their lives watching the way that they always just tried their best and tried to be a

00:19:17.160 better person today than the word yesterday um it it kept it's kept me so grounded and i'm so

00:19:24.500 fortunate to have that and there was times where i would look back and be mad at the way that i was

00:19:29.640 raised or the way that i things that happened to my in my young man brain as i was growing and but

00:19:35.760 it's all kept me so it's kept my perspective so crystal clear and knowing that i was created for great

00:19:43.780 things but i ain't any i ain't greater than anybody else you know and it's and it's such a beautiful

00:19:49.900 thing and i really do feel for people who who have somehow fallen victim to the entitlements and the

00:19:59.060 oh holier than thou's and the bigger than thou when i deserve this and i deserve that when i'm like man

00:20:03.780 i don't deserve anything man i know i work hard enough to deserve it more than this guy but i'm going to

00:20:08.880 work harder than him in order to force my deservedness and continue to force more and more

00:20:14.960 accomplishment through the deservedness through the work that i do um there's nobody working harder

00:20:20.580 than you bro no i i try not try not i know i know you you you may not say that but it's the truth

00:20:27.460 there's nobody working harder than you yeah and i i my biggest thing is taking pride in the small

00:20:33.000 the small little hardware the things that nobody ever sees the little disciplines where it's just

00:20:37.420 me and my supplements or it's just me and my shopping cart and at the grocery store or it's

00:20:43.160 just me and that piece of litter right there or it's me and this little decision i can make to be

00:20:47.340 like okay this is how 90 of people would do it but i'm gonna go ahead and go the extra mile to do this

00:20:52.880 right now because we act as though are these little acts and these little thoughts that they happen in

00:20:57.680 a vacuum and they happen in private and maybe they do happen in private and people people uh they

00:21:02.620 don't see them but they do eventually manifest themselves into your circumstances right so i've

00:21:08.400 just that's the way i was raised and that's the way i operate and it doesn't matter it didn't matter

00:21:13.300 here's one thing too you know being trusted in the small things if you can be trusted in the small

00:21:18.640 things then and only then can you be trusted in the big things right so this training camp that i'm

00:21:22.560 about to put put on starting today and moving forward to fight the biggest combat sports superstar

00:21:28.580 on the planet will be no more disciplined no more hard no more extra than when i was fighting

00:21:36.860 kyle swadley my first fight ever or fighting david rickles a guy who maybe you guys have never heard

00:21:43.240 about or or derrick campos one of these guys i i was training and the doing the small things right

00:21:50.480 whether i was fighting the number 150 guy in the world or i'm fighting the biggest name on the

00:21:54.460 entire planet in the history of mixed martial arts so if i could be trusted with those small things

00:21:59.100 that's how you end up in this spot you know and it even feels uncomfortable to say because it's not

00:22:03.840 really me it's just it's the things you're doing it's a product i'm a product of my environment yeah and

00:22:08.280 how i was raised and what if you're at work watching it it is exactly it is you because it's a choice

00:22:13.620 that we all get to make we all get to make a choice about how disciplined we're going to be and we all get to

00:22:19.300 make a choice about how serious we're going to take our lives and we don't always start at the

00:22:24.620 same spot but we do have a choice with what we make of that and when i look at you i look at a regular

00:22:31.540 guy who comes from what i know very well just a very regular place you know st louis is st louis

00:22:38.440 i love it everybody here loves it but you know it's a it's a different place man it's very blue collar

00:22:45.400 it's very hard working it's not la it's not miami and i'm thankful for that people are often like

00:22:50.820 why do you still live there i'm like bro because it's not that yeah you know but you when i look at

00:22:57.040 you dude i see someone who represents those midwestern values who represents and not just in

00:23:03.100 your work ethic in your life as a man as a family man and um when i i had a very cool experience

00:23:12.980 i think you'll you'll enjoy um this weekend i had i was i was working out in the gym and this guy

00:23:21.680 comes walking into the gym holding a football and i'm like i can't see him all the way across the gym

00:23:27.500 who is that why has he got a football and he's walking right towards me and he gets closer i'm

00:23:32.520 like who is that who who's here and then he gets like from me to you away and i'm like holy shit dude

00:23:39.940 that's jerry rice that's jerry rice and he's got a football in his hand what's what's that football

00:23:45.180 for and he hands it to me i'm working out he hands it to me and he and it says to andy hold

00:23:51.200 the standard and like this a little message and sign jerry rice and he says hey i'm here with ben

00:23:56.620 newman thank you so much for allowing me to come out this place is amazing and i'm like and i don't

00:24:02.880 get starstruck but dude it's jerry rice you know what i'm saying you don't get starstruck but that's

00:24:07.100 jerry rice like very like when we talk about the greatest ever at what they did like you you've

00:24:14.760 met a lot of great people i've met a lot of great people people who were at the top of the game

00:24:20.100 but when you say jerry rice dude like it's undeniable he is the greatest nfl y receiver

00:24:26.160 ever in history and he's standing in front of me and so i'm like halfway through my workout and i'm

00:24:33.020 like all right well i'll skip the workout for this yeah you want to catch yeah yeah so so we

00:24:38.660 started talking and we hit it off immediately and i got to talk to him for about two hours just me and

00:24:43.480 him because they were running an event so i went in the locker room and i got to sit down and we had

00:24:47.800 a conversation and dude this guy he dude you remind me a ton of them like exactly the same kind of thing

00:24:54.680 normal guy comes from normal place has figured out the very same thing that you're talking about it's

00:25:01.840 about the discipline execution on a day by day basis it's not some big play it's not get lucky it's

00:25:09.740 not talent it's win the day and when you win the day you win tomorrow and when you win tomorrow you

00:25:15.740 win the next day and dude it was so cool hearing him tell me this because i thought you know yes you

00:25:26.660 can win the day and you can become very good but when you see someone who ran a 4 7 40 in the nfl

00:25:32.660 because let's be real that's not fast for a wide receiver there's guys that run four sevens on every

00:25:38.300 single high school team in this state yeah okay who became the greatest receiver ever

00:25:44.080 and you hear him talk about how hard he worked and what he did on a daily basis and how he became who

00:25:52.240 he was it just inspired me so much because i thought yes you could become very successful

00:25:59.480 winning the day but in reality like when i look at you and i look at him and i look at guys like that

00:26:06.640 there's actually no upper ceiling when it comes to that it's not talent it's not skill it really is

00:26:12.440 how long do you want to execute and how at what level do you want to execute and dude it was one of

00:26:19.220 the coolest conversations i've ever had and and bro you remind me a lot of them well it's it's

00:26:23.960 really cool too because i mean i i feel uh you know sometimes things have to get i don't know worse

00:26:30.060 before they get better right or you have to you have to kind of go the sensational route i mean i feel

00:26:34.920 like we've become very sensationalized as as a society right and we see we see all of these crazy

00:26:40.740 successes and and of course yeah there there's there's lightning striking in a bottle or whatever

00:26:47.680 you call it or yeah it does happen pans there's these things that happen dude but

00:26:51.200 as a whole the people that are at the top the people that get to to those lofty places it really

00:26:57.760 is just normal everyday people doing normal everyday things as fat or as as disciplined as possible and

00:27:05.820 and not being afraid to take the long road yeah the hard road brick by boring brick we do it every

00:27:13.140 every single day and then eventually you look around you're like i did something how did i get

00:27:17.240 here yeah right i mean and and you knew you were on your way right but it was enjoying the journey and

00:27:22.720 and and enjoying and taking pride in the small things right because once again he who can be

00:27:27.740 trusted with the small things then you can be trusted in the big things right when he ends up in the

00:27:31.460 hall of fame he wanted to get there but he's not going to get to the hall of fame unless you can be

00:27:34.880 trusted in the small things whether whether you believe in god the universe serendipity whatever it is

00:27:40.420 it's going to work out like that it's the small that's how do you eat an elephant you eat a big

00:27:45.000 old elephant one tiny little bite at a time you know but taking pride in every single one of those

00:27:50.160 little bitty bites every single one of those boring bricks doing it perfectly yeah that's what

00:27:55.380 nick saban talks about you know he talks about we're not going to run the play until we get it

00:27:59.420 right we're going to run the play until we can't get it wrong and that's what it comes down to and i

00:28:03.640 think what's important to point out about what we're talking about is that most people who have big

00:28:09.660 dreams who have big goals who have aspirations and you young guys who listen you need to really

00:28:14.460 listen to this okay you guys have to understand you may not be lebron james you may not run a 4-2-40

00:28:21.720 you might not have this exceptional talent but what michael's done and what guys like jerry rice have

00:28:27.300 done is they've taken very average upbringings and skill sets i mean you were 103 is that fair to say

00:28:35.840 103 pounds yeah i mean is it fair to say average right yeah okay very average well most people

00:28:40.720 would deem average yes most people like everybody out here starts at a place like that and they say

00:28:48.100 because they're not that gifted guy on the wrestling team or they're not that gifted guy on the football

00:28:53.720 field or they're not that gifted guy with business who happened to start something and in two years he

00:28:59.300 was worth you know 50 million dollars or whatever right or 10 million or a million right these we we

00:29:06.060 tend to like sell ourselves short and we say well dude i don't have that i don't have those parents

00:29:11.720 that lended me the money to start my business i didn't and i didn't i wasn't born with 4 5 40 speed

00:29:18.620 you know i don't have good genetics we tell ourselves all these stories and we fail to realize that there is

00:29:25.200 a way and the way is what we're talking about with michael and jerry rice these guys and by the way

00:29:32.420 that's been true for me too i don't have special talent i don't have special skill set but what i do

00:29:38.200 have is i have grit and fortitude and i'm willing to get up every day and do everything i can do to

00:29:43.440 get there yes and i appreciate the sentiment that you have thrown my direction right now but let me let

00:29:47.860 me just talk about you for a second now for for those guys listen listening i'm here at the hq

00:29:53.100 when i was i was gonna ask you if you even have a cleaning crew here but i did see someone come

00:29:58.460 around i saw no less than 10 people wash their hands and then they're cleaning down and wiping down

00:30:03.800 the countertops in the in the in the gym every single weight is lined up perfectly every single

00:30:10.880 dumbbell is is lined up perfectly the place is spick and span and it's a it's a we mentality and you

00:30:18.040 leading from the front i mean you don't you don't even have to i don't even have to know you

00:30:21.380 to walk into your establishment to see your team and see the way that these people operate and it

00:30:26.760 is the physical manifestation of the way that you do one thing is the way that you do everything and

00:30:31.760 it is the little things right first form is not going to become the one of the biggest companies

00:30:36.480 on the world because your weights are perfectly right sat right it's really not right maybe it

00:30:40.620 does maybe it doesn't matter at all but it's just it's a it's a standard that is set right and that

00:30:46.220 that's what people can really see i mean i wish people could see and and and really see it because

00:30:51.580 it is inspiring and this this place is a it's it's people here but it just the building itself if i was

00:30:57.940 walking into this building it's itself just the bricks and the mortars and the pieces of equipment

00:31:03.100 and the walls and that kind of stuff this is perfection personified right it's it's absolutely

00:31:09.820 but it's a standard that you that you set and you're leading from the front too right it's not hey

00:31:14.740 you guys all do this but really whenever you put the weights you got your butler behind you

00:31:19.120 putting them all yeah i know yeah right yeah it only works if you live it yeah man and it's but

00:31:24.520 it's it's those little bitty things done with enthusiasm and done done as if it's not even a

00:31:30.020 question there is no question it's going to get done and it's and it's going to be done well we're

00:31:34.380 very blessed to have you know because of how authentic and open i am about my feelings about the world and

00:31:40.940 my standards on the podcast we are very blessed to have high drive high standard individuals want

00:31:47.600 to come to work here very rarely do we get someone that's not like that you know and and uh i'll tell

00:31:53.500 you a little secret about that that a lot of you guys you know we have a big entrepreneurship

00:31:57.440 listenership here on the show if you want your team to do that you all you i get this this is probably

00:32:03.840 my most asked question how do you get your team to do that stuff what do you do do you find them no

00:32:09.360 dude look it's very simple and i think you'll agree with this you already said it those little

00:32:16.440 things that we do they add up into the big things how we do the big things so when you're a leader

00:32:22.840 and you're trying to get your team to execute at a high level what you have it's not hey do this

00:32:29.700 it's this is how it is hey man look when we straighten those weights you're making an investment in your

00:32:36.900 discipline and your attention to detail in your ability to recognize something that needs to be

00:32:42.460 fixed and fixing it and every time you do that you're making a deposit into your own skill set

00:32:48.160 which will translate into how you execute in your career in your life and here your goal is to make

00:32:54.700 money and build a career so if you can build that skill set better you're going to do better as a

00:32:59.020 career and and so when we teach our team that you know they're already exceptional human beings

00:33:04.660 they're already high drive they're hungry to get better they they buy into that immediately because

00:33:09.200 they're like yeah dude i'm looking to get better yeah like you said it's not the actual weight itself

00:33:13.720 yeah act of the weight but it's what it does to that's right deservedness one little that one

00:33:18.460 little penny in the bank yeah the deservedness to be like we were all created with greatness inside

00:33:23.720 of us but not everyone deserves to get to that if they don't make the requisite sacrifices or have the

00:33:28.940 requisite discipline right even and and obviously my my life is has been fitness and and and fighting

00:33:36.500 and wrestling and all these different things and every business now and now business yeah but every

00:33:40.760 single little practice i mean you don't see the results you know i'm putting dollars in the bank

00:33:45.340 in the discipline bank today that i won't see until june 29th right i'll start to get a little bit

00:33:50.580 more shredded or start to get a little bit more fast or start to get a little bit more x y and z

00:33:55.000 but it's it's doing things today and maybe not seeing results for two months but that is exactly

00:34:00.200 what you're talking about too these little things that add up to the thing when you stand at your

00:34:05.880 greatest moment of opportunity or your darkest hour you have to be able to ask answer that question

00:34:10.280 did i do enough am i enough and you are enough if you've done the little things leading up to it

00:34:15.820 and that's the thing dude the path does not get easier now so we have to build ourselves into these

00:34:21.980 people that can endure the path because you just said that hour of darkness that's coming for all

00:34:29.100 of us and it looks different in different ways and by the way it doesn't just come for us once

00:34:34.240 it comes over and over and over again it comes in the form of losing a job or it comes in the form of

00:34:42.120 getting a divorce or it comes in the form of getting an illness or a death in the family and there's all

00:34:48.280 these things that come at us for our whole lives and if we don't build ourselves into someone of

00:34:53.020 determination grit resilience discipline we're in a situation where we can't handle these things

00:34:58.500 and and and dude our families our friends our significant others they look up to us for these

00:35:05.020 things and if we're not there to handle it that's a life failure that is a life failure and people don't

00:35:11.060 realize how much these little things actually create the the character skill set because i call it a skill

00:35:17.860 set right because we're developing it it's not a trait people aren't naturally highly disciplined

00:35:23.380 i mean maybe some people are but really it's something that we build and we can all build it

00:35:28.500 and you mentioned the litter thing right that's a big deal for me like i will walk freaking half a

00:35:34.780 mile out of my way if i see a bag going because i'm like dude i can't let it go yeah i can't let it go

00:35:40.240 i'll remember that you know and when we little things like that people just don't think about and then

00:35:46.860 you think about if everybody did think about those things how much different would the world be how

00:35:53.140 much different would the world look if everybody said hey i cannot let that go i've got to fix that

00:35:59.800 you know what i mean yeah and and and dude we live in a completely different society uh in general

00:36:05.640 society of excellence high standards treating people with respect that's one of the things i love about

00:36:11.060 you most bro is as good of a fighter as you are you're a better dude you're a better man and a

00:36:16.760 better husband and a better father and it's very very admirable dude and um i really appreciate

00:36:22.420 the standard that you set as a man uh not just as a fighter it's it's it's really special bro thank

00:36:30.240 you yeah i know i just uh it was actually funny because i was just with my wife you know and we've kind

00:36:33.980 of been having these conversations because you you also well one thing going back to what you just

00:36:38.020 said too you you can be a absolute optimist and love life and full of joy and all those things

00:36:43.040 and still admit that you're going to suffer hardship you're going to get kicked in the mouth there's

00:36:47.320 going to be bad things that happen you're going to get things that you don't deserve to happen to you

00:36:52.040 but they're going to happen so you have to be built up and ready for those things and even right now

00:36:57.100 having the foresight to realize what's about to happen in my life right and it's and it's what i asked

00:37:02.400 for this i prayed for this moment i asked for this moment and even talked to my mom or my my wife

00:37:07.340 this past weekend and we're just like you know pray for continue to pray for humility pray for

00:37:12.260 wisdom man because the enemy is going to attack and this is going to be big and this is going to

00:37:16.960 be an out-of-body experience in this in my eye my the temptation for my eye to be taken off of the ball

00:37:23.300 is going to be so immense right so you you have to know that you got a big battle ahead of you and

00:37:29.960 you got some things that are going to happen to you but you can still be optimistic and know

00:37:33.680 that you're the man for the job know that you have earned it know that you're right where you're

00:37:38.420 supposed to be because the next season for me is going to be you know it's going to be i can't even

00:37:43.860 really put into words what what's going to happen i can't all i can do is ask for wisdom and know and

00:37:51.400 know and hope and pray that i'm able to operate right and that's what you got to do every single day

00:37:56.100 because life is going to continue to get thrown at you let me ask you this what so you know you mentioned

00:38:00.540 your mom your dad your your upbringing what was the support like when you decided to get into

00:38:05.340 fighting what where it was it was uh mom like no my baby like i mean did you have any of that no my

00:38:11.000 mom's my mom's pretty rough around the edges man like she's a she's a sweetheart sweet little

00:38:15.600 betty little little bitty italian lady um and she's she's an amazing soul but she's a little rough

00:38:22.160 around the edges right when it comes to like she loved wrestling man like she was getting in

00:38:26.480 oh that's all arguments and fights in the stands like you know the wrestling wrestling community is

00:38:31.000 like bro that's midwest moms yeah exactly yeah you know and but it you know but obviously for me too

00:38:37.800 i had my my big brothers right tyron and ben who we looked up to and my mom idolized them as well

00:38:43.020 she's like well tyron and ben think you'll be all right so i think you'll be good i mean

00:38:46.360 and it wasn't the way that i wrestled anyway it wasn't real slick and and fast and whatever it was

00:38:51.980 just it was basically a fight every single time i stepped on the wrestling mat anyway you know

00:38:55.700 except i wasn't allowed to punch legally or kick and that kind of stuff it was aggressive but it

00:39:00.500 was aggressive man because it really was you know hey because i started wrestling as a freshman in

00:39:04.780 high school like i i didn't really have i wrestled a couple years when i was younger like but like

00:39:08.640 five years old when you're basically running around the mats and just playing games playing tag

00:39:12.220 and i started really taking it serious and dedicated my life to the sport when i was 14 years old and i've

00:39:17.080 been doing hand-to-hand combat since so i wasn't going to be able to out slick you out technique you

00:39:22.240 out wrestle you but i could freaking out fight you i could out cardio you i could push you off

00:39:26.360 the mat run back to the center and headbutt you and get my hands make it very uncomfortable

00:39:32.000 you might beat me you might be better than me but you don't you don't want to wrestle me again

00:39:36.320 that was kind of the mentality i had and then as i got more and more skilled i've been able to

00:39:40.940 dial that back a little bit you see a lot in my fight style you know it's kind of it's kind of the

00:39:45.400 way bro you're fucking bulldog man 14 yeah dude i told you that that uh remember after

00:39:52.120 the poirier fight remember me texting you and i said what you say i said bro that was even though

00:39:58.580 you lost i said that was the greatest fucking fight i'd ever seen in my life and it was because

00:40:02.800 of how tough you fought that fight bro yeah like that was i don't know how you feel about no i do

00:40:09.820 it no it's one of those that was a loss yeah that was a win yeah you know like and that's and that's

00:40:14.460 what you realize too man it is it was a loss on paper yeah absolutely you're gonna you're gonna

00:40:19.260 when i retire you're gonna look at it no that was a loss on his record but dude i won right look at

00:40:23.960 the fight i have now every single time i've lost it's been another win it's another it feels like a

00:40:28.400 demotion but it's a promotion if you've done the right things you get rewarded yeah fuck dude has

00:40:33.620 anything changed because you're because you typically you fight at lightweight right but this

00:40:36.940 is a welterweight fight yeah so so that's 170 i think no nothing's really going to change

00:40:42.140 i'll be able to eat a little bit more and eat a little bit more carbs this this you know a lot

00:40:47.080 of people i fucking love cars yeah yeah well they bring up they'll bring up michael phelps right

00:40:51.620 because everyone's heard the story like dude are you just pounding the calories with how much you're

00:40:54.780 training and you'd be flabbergasted to know like i'm usually eating between like 1200 and 1500 calories

00:41:00.600 per day and training twice a day five days a week or five days a week once on saturday and then two of

00:41:08.040 those two of those five days in between i'm hitting a third cardio session a third workout

00:41:12.480 on 1200 to 1500 calories a day shrinking my body down losing a little bit of muscle getting rid of

00:41:18.540 all the fat and then dehydrating myself at the end but so for 170 you know i'm like 185 ish right now

00:41:25.020 because i've already been training for the last four weeks um so i'll probably eat enough to keep

00:41:29.900 myself get like shred down a little bit lose a little bit of body fat get myself right where i need

00:41:33.780 to be which is going to be like that 177 mark and then just a nice little easy water cut at the end

00:41:38.800 it's going to be the best camp of my life man i can't wait to fight 170 that's awesome do you what's

00:41:44.020 the difference between your what's your normal fight weight 155 okay unfortunately do you think that

00:41:49.360 there's a a difference in the the cardio aspect of those two weights um like fighting at 155 versus

00:41:57.080 fighting at 170 yeah like in general the two weight classes yeah i think there's i mean there's a

00:42:02.120 generally i don't listen man i don't know a ton about mma i i'm a fan but i'm a casual fan yeah

00:42:08.400 but generally generally the lower the the more you get up in weight class the hot the lower the pace

00:42:13.540 right the slower the pace so yeah 155 there's there's better cardio than than at 170 you know

00:42:18.340 but for me i feel like i'm i'm gonna be just weighing in at 170 instead of dehydrating myself

00:42:22.880 to 155 and once again i'm gonna do the exact same training camp just eat a little bit more maybe

00:42:27.800 thank god you know yeah take eat drink a couple more protein shakes what kind of diet do you follow

00:42:32.520 man so since i have to get i basically have to shrink my body down i'm eating basically no carbs

00:42:39.220 like starchy carbs at all i'm basically doing protein and veggies two two meals a day with a

00:42:44.540 snack in between um and a protein shake once a day mainly um so it's really just meat and veggies

00:42:51.440 for low carbs eight eight weeks so this time i'll be able to have a yeah this this way this time

00:42:56.540 i'll have a little bit of sweet potato yeah daily yeah thank god yeah well dude listen man i i i think

00:43:06.220 it's really cool to hear you talk about you know the work ethic aspect you know out of all the guys

00:43:15.100 that you fought and trained with who who do you respect the most for their work ethic who's a who's a

00:43:21.980 guy that like you look at and you're like damn dude he gets it i think eddie alvarez yeah um and i say

00:43:28.440 that too because i have inside scoop because i now i train with i train with my coaches you know henry

00:43:34.060 hoofed who was who was eddie's coach i think for like four or five years he henry who is my my head

00:43:38.660 coach right now cornered against me whenever i when he coached eddie against me when i lost my my first

00:43:45.340 fight rematch yeah so it's you know it's kind of funny how it all came full circle but it's

00:43:49.860 numerous times he's been like you know you remind me of eddie because because i'm always like 30

00:43:54.660 minutes early to practice i'll already be rolling out by the time uh coach comes in or other guys are

00:43:59.420 coming in because i want to get there a little bit early i want to i want to be stretched i want to be

00:44:02.160 warmed up i want to be ready because when it's time to go i don't want to take me 30 minutes to get

00:44:06.000 my get the juices you want to get good work in yeah i want to get the good work in i already want to be

00:44:10.000 ready he's like you know he's always said that and i'm like yeah and the funny thing between me and eddie

00:44:14.100 is like dude you cannot try to kill somebody for 25 almost 50 minutes he and i had two of the best

00:44:20.120 fights in mma history um you cannot do that with somebody for that many minutes inside of a cage

00:44:28.060 and not have a ton of respect for each other so we have a ton of respect for each other um those were

00:44:33.360 fun fights and it's always good when you know a guy lives that life too right you know he's he he lives

00:44:40.560 the champion lifestyle he does things right he's a good dude he's a family man it's it's the kind of

00:44:45.760 guys that you're like dude this is you you deserve it i deserve it i believe i deserve it a little bit

00:44:50.560 more i want to beat you but dude this is about to be a good one you know yeah that's awesome man yeah

00:44:55.520 dude i was over here thinking too man because when you had mentioned even like you know that you went

00:44:59.740 three fights losses back to back it was like how many days you said like six hundred and eighty eight to

00:45:04.520 go that long you know work all that time for this big climax of an event to have that even just that

00:45:12.020 and then to deal with that one time how did you bounce back off of that well so there there is a

00:45:18.180 little bit of a lesson in there and there's and and it was it was the way that i was conditioned

00:45:21.820 right because the sport of wrestling the great the greatest thing about it is you're going to get 30

00:45:26.040 or 40 opportunities to wrestle per year right yeah if i lost a tough match on wednesday i'm down on

00:45:31.700 myself wednesday night i get back to practice thursday saturday i get the opportunity to right

00:45:36.540 that wrong to go from the lost column to the win column very quick you get another opportunity but

00:45:42.640 in mixed martial arts it's like dude i mean i haven't fought since november 2022 and most of the

00:45:47.220 time we're fighting when you get to the upper echelon and the higher levels you're fighting twice a year

00:45:51.940 maybe three times a year but probably usually twice a year so you got to sit on that loss for five

00:45:56.680 months six months right so the biggest thing for me was is getting back in the mistake that

00:46:01.620 i made was right away i wanted to hide from it i kind of i i didn't want to you kind of lose that

00:46:07.300 motivation to train a little bit you're like was it like an embarrassment big time embarrassment man

00:46:11.880 you know and it's in in but now not anymore no no i get it i'm glad i had to go through that to

00:46:16.580 to realize it and anybody who is listening right now and if you have that it really is ego right

00:46:21.060 people don't care that much yeah we we think people care more about us so much more about us than

00:46:26.200 that's facts right yeah and when you and almost like i said sometimes it's it's supposed to be a

00:46:32.360 part of the journey it's supposed to be a part of your journey it's i was supposed to lose those

00:46:36.800 fights or i was supposed to have this shortcoming because if a bad thing happens but a good thing

00:46:42.200 comes from it was it really a bad thing and how many times have you had that play out in your life

00:46:46.920 right and you'd ask you're like well a good thing came from it so i that thing that i thought was a

00:46:51.880 bad thing i can't really call it a bad thing anymore because it turned into a really good thing and a

00:46:55.880 god had me in the palm of his hand the entire time and then it led to this and it led to that

00:46:59.700 um but yeah the problem was losing that fight and then going in like dealing with uncharted territory

00:47:07.280 because i hadn't lost a competition since two or three years prior in wrestling and at that point

00:47:13.120 it didn't really matter because i had just become an all-american i kind of got to where i wanted to

00:47:16.520 go anyway um so i dealt with it and not in a great way not in a very mature way and uh and then i

00:47:23.920 didn't get the opportunity to right that wrong for months and months and months it was probably

00:47:28.380 six months that i had to sit out and go through a training camp figure out who's next who am i

00:47:32.120 fighting next um and uh yeah it's just i i deal with losses so much better now and so much and

00:47:40.760 maybe it's just you kind of just isn't it awesome though too i was thinking about that today just the

00:47:44.640 older you get you just don't care as much anymore when it comes to like dude i used to care so much

00:47:49.440 about what people thought and used to care so i'm like i'm so solidly standing on my own two feet

00:47:54.840 now and and the 50 if you thought 15 year old michael saw the 38 year old michael he would be

00:48:02.060 like ah how did you get there dude because i don't see how we get from here to there because we are we're

00:48:07.780 on like another planet you know but it was just the constant every single day great things in my life

00:48:14.020 and some of the tough things getting kicked right in the teeth and and this sport wants to keep you

00:48:18.340 down as long as it as long as you will let it and it's up to you to pick yourself back up and

00:48:22.480 i've been able to do it now for 16 17 years that's the key dude you know a lot of people they will they

00:48:29.560 will get in those dark times and and they don't understand that that time is meant to build a new

00:48:36.700 skill set to give you a new perspective and the only way that you can discover that is by continuing

00:48:42.320 down the path there's so many people that have the hardship happen and then they stop right

00:48:48.160 they get embarrassed they get they get because dude i'm gonna tell you this as much as you guys

00:48:53.440 think it's embarrassing to start and be bad at something it's a million times more embarrassing

00:48:58.520 to be great at something and have everybody in the world see you fucking fall on your face

00:49:02.440 that's way worse and it is ego and and i do agree with you as you get older you start to realize

00:49:08.860 it's not as big of a deal but i also think that that comes from us firmly understanding

00:49:14.940 the work that needs to be done to get past that right um i think when you're when i at least when

00:49:22.420 i was younger and i felt i felt setbacks i didn't have enough confidence in the work the work that

00:49:29.780 needed to be done to understand that i could pull myself out of it and and ignorantly but also

00:49:37.660 thankfully i just got up the next day and kept going dude like i didn't know what else to do so i would

00:49:43.300 get up and i would go and you know think dude i can't i mean most of my business life i live within

00:49:49.460 weeks of being out of business people don't think that about entrepreneurs dude like you're you're

00:49:54.520 living on the edge all the time you know until you get to a you know where we're at now it's not like

00:50:00.000 that anymore but you know most of your life as an entrepreneur the first 10 10 plus years it's

00:50:05.580 it's scary and you're going to take hits and sometimes those hits are nearly ending of your

00:50:12.780 journey but like when you don't know what else to do you wake up the next day and you just keep doing

00:50:17.680 what you've been doing um and because people don't do that and they get embarrassed and they

00:50:23.740 they get humiliated in their own mind um i can relate to that bro i can relate to the hiding and

00:50:30.800 the shame and the the embarrassment and the feeling of letting people down and uh if you guys just push

00:50:37.700 through those times and you continue down the path what you'll figure out is what michael's talking

00:50:41.760 about which is dude this is here to serve you this is here to build you this is here to give you a new

00:50:46.480 perspective and a new skill set which will eventually lead to a place like you were saying where you're

00:50:52.280 standing on your own two feet and you have total real confidence in yourself not fake confidence not

00:50:58.020 bravado beating my chest not running my mouth but knowing that if something negative comes around

00:51:05.500 or i i get a setback that it's not a total devastating loss it's exactly that it's a bump in the road it's

00:51:11.640 a setback yeah i mean and what i did what i started doing too and i forced myself to do this you know

00:51:16.880 when i take a loss i'm making sure i get on as big of a platform as i possibly can asap and talk about

00:51:24.060 it right because right ego would say well let's just hide because if you get on the microphone all

00:51:29.080 those people who doubted you and they're going to point the fingers now you're on a microphone you're

00:51:32.580 talking about this loss you're reliving this loss in real time on a microphone and i i have forced

00:51:37.200 myself to do that you know busting with the boys i don't know if you know those guys yeah yeah dude

00:51:40.620 will compton is my first guy yeah that's right yeah he's st louis guy yeah that's right so yeah so

00:51:45.160 those guys are in nashville too so i like to make it a habit it was hilarious yeah win lose or draw i mean

00:51:50.580 i'm gonna try to go on the bus on monday and i've done it with black eyes and still stitches and my

00:51:56.060 nose you know my nose is all jacked up from the the fight of the 48 hours prior because i want to do

00:52:01.640 that because and it's not for the will and taylor it's not for you it's not and i honestly love my

00:52:06.580 fans and supporters but it's not for anybody it's for me yeah so i can get on there and i can sit

00:52:11.180 right here and say yeah you know what look at me look at my scars but this reminds you that i'm still

00:52:15.560 here look at the black eyes look what i've gone through and if i can get on here and talk right

00:52:20.380 now after i just had the whole world laughing at me in my mind and i can brave that and hop on this

00:52:26.280 microphone you know it it wells something up inside of you and then once you've done it a couple times

00:52:31.180 you're like man i i got so much positive feedback from that because people want to see that they

00:52:37.040 don't because they don't expect they expect you to not go into hiding not going to hiding necessarily

00:52:41.580 but hey let's let them take some time off it's like no i'm doing this for me and i want to get on

00:52:45.320 here and i'm gonna it's kind of like writing the wrong that we just talked about it's like i'm

00:52:48.660 writing the wrong i'm taking the power away from it until you talk about it until you until you wear

00:52:54.580 it like a badge of honor you own it you're yeah you're giving it all the power until you take that

00:52:59.120 power back and say here it is it's right here you want to talk about it it's okay me and it's okay

00:53:04.240 yeah because this is what this is what what it is this is what it is and this is how it's supposed

00:53:08.620 to happen and those those areas of us right will be broken the the weakest areas of us where we need

00:53:15.700 to get better where we're falling short where we've got some ego where we've got all these

00:53:19.460 shortcomings those little areas will break and then scar tissue will be laid over top of it and

00:53:24.240 then you will be stronger in those areas where we were weak and that's it's it's life it's like it's

00:53:30.020 life revealing to you where you need to get better let's talk about the technical aspect of improving

00:53:36.340 from your losses yeah do you watch film i was just about to ask that film study yeah yeah i mean i

00:53:42.380 don't watch a ton of film i i obviously got to go back and watch my fights back um win lose or draw

00:53:47.200 obviously i love to watch the wins better than i love to watch the losses but that's another part of

00:53:51.560 the healing process too it's like hey sit down here right now and watch it you know don't watch it

00:53:55.740 too many times you don't want to sit there and have a negative mental highlight reel in my head

00:53:59.500 no just to learn yeah i could have done this better is that what you do yeah and even just

00:54:03.980 watching you know watching yourself whether it be technical whether it be spiritual because you

00:54:08.260 can see those moments where you had a momentary lapse of judgment or where you lost a little bit

00:54:12.160 of focus or maybe you got a little bit tired or maybe you made a silly decision you see that on

00:54:15.500 the film yeah and you can kind of see it because because because you start to have flashbacks a

00:54:19.200 little bit and it's not necessarily because it's a fight and you're getting punched in the head that

00:54:22.100 you don't really remember a lot of stuff you're just you're really in that kind of fight or flight

00:54:25.680 mode you're tied onto a tornado so you're you don't remember a ton of it so you need to go back

00:54:30.340 and then as you're watching it you're kind of starting to feel and see mental glimpses in of

00:54:35.080 what you remember in your mind and uh yeah just going back and seeing different areas um and then

00:54:42.760 it's also a place of gratitude win lose or draw you just go back and then then you can hear the

00:54:47.140 announcers talking you know you hear john annick and joe rogan daniel cormier whoever it might be and

00:54:51.680 you're watching it and you're just like man i'm watching this movie happen and i'm the main character

00:54:56.300 whether i win or lose it's another it's another cool way to to remind yourself man you're doing

00:55:02.040 what you were called to do win lose or draw you're not defined by your wins and losses you're defined

00:55:06.220 about by how you carry yourself and uh yeah take some notes talk to the coaches take a little bit

00:55:12.800 of time off stay in shape and stay built up and start kind of the the recovery process of the mind and

00:55:18.840 the heart after a loss especially and continuing to be out in the public and not be afraid to wear it

00:55:25.300 like a badge of honor let me ask you this because you obviously i mean the people love you right

00:55:30.100 you have a shit ton of support people absolutely love you the nfl has armchair quarterbacks what's

00:55:36.220 the ufc guy what do you what do you guys call it yeah no how do you address those those those people

00:55:40.580 you know what i'm talking about yeah no for sure um i see red bro i don't know i was in that ring

00:55:46.620 i don't know all he had to do was hit him with the overhand right you know hold my beer i'll show you

00:55:51.700 yeah exactly no i mean oh we got a lot of them man and you know you guys have a special name for

00:55:56.140 no i don't really think so i'm sure i'm sure the you know the chat might have him later you know

00:56:01.260 later on like what they call him but yeah dude i mean i actually just was talking to some guy

00:56:05.820 today um and i sent him a message and just said hey uh i hate to see her but i hate to hear about

00:56:10.660 the passing of your uh of your thread of videos that you that you've made like 10 videos talking

00:56:15.500 about how i'm an idiot and i'm waiting for connor and it's never connor's never going to come back

00:56:19.160 and fight me and fights never going to get booked and all this kind of stuff so we kind of had a

00:56:22.340 little banter back and forth and it's all fun and games because i heard it from a million people

00:56:25.940 um but yeah i mean you hear those people and it is just really funny and and and some of the

00:56:32.080 sometimes you agree with them you're like yeah dude you go back and watch this in slow motion you

00:56:36.080 reverse it and watch it five times you're like yeah that was a dumb decision why did i do that or why

00:56:40.160 didn't i do that but what they don't realize is they are they are criticizing and critiquing

00:56:46.080 something that was happening in real time making split second decisions with the information that

00:56:50.360 you have part muscle memory part instinct part training and you just hope that you zig when you

00:56:56.900 should have zagged or or vice versa or whatever and you're just in there you're in there responding

00:57:03.080 and reacting so it is uh it is really funny because yeah i mean it especially mixed martial arts

00:57:09.420 right because there's so many dudes who talk trash who would never in a million years

00:57:13.000 say anything to me to my face or and that's what i've realized moving over to the ufc i mean i went

00:57:19.880 from bellator i was i was the biggest name in bellator had the largest social media following in

00:57:24.780 bellator kind of the the biggest name there and everybody saw the writing on the wall that i was

00:57:30.240 going to test free agency the day that i signed with the ufc i got like 600 000 followers in like 24

00:57:37.600 hours right on just on instagram and that's not in that doesn't mean i'm any cooler than anybody else

00:57:44.020 but it was just it's pretty cool it was pretty cool but like how quickly how quickly it happened

00:57:48.500 right and then i was like oh shoot man most of the time people were just talking to me because they

00:57:53.320 liked me now it's like people just want to talk to me because they want to hate on me and it went

00:57:58.240 to a way different level which was so good for me because i needed it i really am i got into this

00:58:03.460 sport wanting everybody to love me and i'm like man if i just do the right things and i fight hard

00:58:08.480 and i entertain them and i and i say what i believe and i do it people are gonna love me man everyone's

00:58:13.040 gonna love me nobody's gonna dislike me oh it's like you know so i had to get over that and it was

00:58:20.520 really good it was a very immature thing i mean you you know like yeah and and even hearing you speak

00:58:26.160 and the way that you operate and and and you've unlocked things in me because it really is a

00:58:32.020 blessing to be in a in a position where people are hating on you because it means you're doing

00:58:34.940 something right yeah but i was i wasn't ready for it um and now with the whole connor thing now it's

00:58:40.080 about to go to the moon so i'm gonna have to continue to add layers to my skin when you're

00:58:47.500 authentic when you are an authentic human being you are gonna have people are gonna hate you dude

00:58:53.520 like it doesn't matter it doesn't matter what it doesn't matter if you're just for that bro

00:58:57.340 exactly yeah they're gonna hate the way that you show up that you shine bro you don't have it's not

00:59:03.500 even about being successful it's just about being authentic people do not like people with authentic

00:59:09.580 opinions they are very used to seeing people pander they are very used to seeing people go with the

00:59:15.900 flow or tiptoe around and when you show up like we do every day and we're like this is what i think

00:59:22.680 regardless of what you think people don't like that you know what i'm saying and and it doesn't

00:59:28.780 matter if you are curing cancer or if you're solving world hunger or you're creating world peace

00:59:37.160 people are still going to be pissed off about it man and so many people hide behind trying to avoid

00:59:44.160 that criticism when in reality if you are doing something of any significance at all the fact that

00:59:50.800 people are giving you that sort of attention is that is a really good sign and um what's really

00:59:57.500 cool is that at least in my case and i know this is your case too because i've seen it a lot of people

01:00:03.240 start off hating they're like god dude i can't stand that guy all he ever does all he ever does is talk

01:00:09.000 shit i can beat his ass yeah and then after six months they're like this man you know what i used to

01:00:18.460 and i like you dude but i really like you yeah that is my favorite thing because because and uh you

01:00:24.940 know who's a good example of that right now is a guy named bo nickel he was like bo nickel's the first

01:00:28.940 form oh there you go so bo is exactly like me in a lot of ways yeah he's he got booed yeah you know

01:00:35.500 he got booed at the weigh-ins or he's got a little bit of boo in the crowd for no reason just the fact

01:00:40.500 that that he's getting this this love from the ufc and he's getting he's getting pushed and he's being

01:00:44.760 promoted and and there was the same thing with me i came into the ufc and everybody's like who's

01:00:49.040 this bellator punk getting this and getting that i got a title shot on my second fight and i'm like

01:00:53.480 guys first of all i didn't choose this it wasn't like i came in and and all of a sudden i'm in charge

01:00:58.760 of dana and dana's making his decisions like this is how they're doing it and don't be mad at me right

01:01:04.280 and a year in and i talked to bo about this too man because they're gonna hate on you because

01:01:09.480 because they they see it and maybe their favorite fighter is this guy and you're getting more shine than

01:01:13.700 that guy everybody's got their reasons why they don't like you right and then but then eventually

01:01:17.460 you're just like man and i think bo said that in his post fight press conference or in his post fight

01:01:21.400 speech he was just like hey just give it time i promise you're gonna you're gonna like me yeah

01:01:24.920 and that's kind of what i said i'm like dude there's no reason why you should dislike me just give it time

01:01:29.420 and my favorite my favorite interactions are those ones where it's like dude i didn't like you when he

01:01:34.880 came into the ufc because of this because of that or whatever it might have been but dude

01:01:37.760 i've i've come around i'm like dude me winning you over is actually so much better than me

01:01:43.460 you liking me from the get yes yeah liking me from the get-go because all you can do is just

01:01:48.180 be authentically yourself yeah and i think it is it is unbecoming to so many people because

01:01:53.000 because they're living a life of they're living a life of knowing that they're not being their

01:01:58.840 authentic self and when they see somebody operating in authenticity it it feels weird to them you know

01:02:04.580 and i and i think i was somewhat like that when i was younger right well yeah bro you know and then

01:02:10.120 and i've as i've grown we all try to be what we think the success part of looks like yeah you know

01:02:17.220 and and what we don't realize brother is that it looks like us it looks like who we are yeah you know

01:02:23.640 and we live in social media where it's all marketing and it's all look at me and it's all clicks and

01:02:29.080 likes and shares and when you're an authentic person especially when you're a person who doesn't buy

01:02:34.340 into the debauchery of society it makes people feel weird you know that makes people feel like

01:02:41.740 you're being too good or you're standing on a pedestal which dude i know this in your case that

01:02:46.260 is not the case at all yeah and yeah and that's i think that's the toughest ones for me is where

01:02:51.440 people like ah i don't know there's just something about him i don't think it's i don't think it's

01:02:55.540 authentic i don't think that's really who he is and i'm just like i don't know man whatever yeah

01:02:59.360 those people save everybody like it's what it is i got some so many skeletons in my closet and i

01:03:03.780 was like i don't know dude whatever i ain't perfect i'll tell you that much show me yours first

01:03:07.160 sorry sorry if you don't like me but well i think that's where people get in trouble too is they

01:03:11.100 pretend to be perfect yeah you know they're like oh yeah i'm a perfect guy i've never made any

01:03:15.500 mistakes fuck dude i fucked it all up yeah all the shit you know what i'm saying well you know what

01:03:22.020 was funny for me too was going on to the ultimate fighter and i had this real conversation with my

01:03:25.880 wife i was just like hey babe i'm i gotta be honest with you i'm like really nervous because

01:03:31.160 you know we're on espn and it's like you're mic'd up and you know i'm something's gonna happen i'm

01:03:35.600 gonna end up mother effing connor or saying whatever and like and that ended up happening

01:03:40.120 you know it really ended up happening and i'm like and i'm like worried about my father-in-law who i

01:03:44.020 respect like like respect them so much my parents and my sons my like it lives on the internet forever

01:03:50.060 my sons will hear me you know say the f word on espn and they bleeped it out to connor when we got

01:03:55.640 gotten our little you know put pushing match but my wife who i like obviously she is my favorite

01:04:01.080 human being on the planet the one that i confide in the one that i love the most out of anybody and

01:04:06.640 she just looked at me she's like hey you're not perfect don't try to be perfect if you try to be

01:04:10.060 perfectly it's not real you're not perfect and i love you that you're not perfect i love you

01:04:14.080 through your imperfections and if you swear or you cuss or you do this or you do that or you come off

01:04:19.140 any way you come come off it doesn't matter i love you and everybody who really loves you loves you

01:04:24.320 and i'm like absolutely dang dude i'm about to cry you know she's like yeah and then it gave me

01:04:28.380 that permission because it really is a scary thing because you don't i don't want to come off

01:04:33.200 differently than than i want to be right i just want to be myself and do it and if something bad

01:04:39.000 happens or i say something i wish i would have said i might have to apologize or maybe i don't

01:04:42.720 need to apologize well bro i i think that the fact that you know how i see that i see that from a

01:04:48.440 little bit different perspective i see that as a testament to how hard you you put the effort in

01:04:54.680 to not be that way yeah right like if you're just how you are where you don't really curse and you're

01:05:00.620 you're very composed and you have a good uh disposition and you're polite and respectful

01:05:06.920 sometimes when that gets out of whack a little bit it actually just is a testament to how hard someone

01:05:13.160 works to keep that in check yeah and so that's how i see those things yeah no i like that i i yeah

01:05:18.000 because it because it definitely came out you know yeah i'm like whatever but the well let's be real

01:05:22.620 dude in a fight situation there are no rules yeah yeah exactly yeah exactly and the funny thing was

01:05:28.780 was that my father-in-law was was visiting that day to vegas whenever that whole fight thing happened

01:05:34.420 and i just got done mother effing connor or whatever but it was it was funny too because

01:05:39.260 now that it's happened i'm like that was actually wasn't that bad you know it's once again and it's

01:05:45.900 weird how as a 38 years old i'm like dealing with this and i'm still learning the uncharted territory of

01:05:50.900 of that right and you're like and to people who are out there like well michael chandler looks like

01:05:55.200 he's got all figured out i'm like dude i'm trying to get this thing figured out every single day yeah bro

01:06:00.000 dude can we talk a little bit about your faith yeah yeah man so yeah dude so so was this something

01:06:07.160 that you grew up with or something that you came around or so high ridge missouri um on high ridge

01:06:13.360 boulevard there was a little catholic church up there um so we i was raised catholic we did you

01:06:18.680 know our first holy communion and we did psr which is public school religion on mondays we would go

01:06:23.200 there for hour or two on mondays uh first holy communion got confirmation and then we kind of stopped

01:06:28.600 going to church for a little while you know three boys baseball getting you know very very busy

01:06:33.760 family um and then i got invited by uh another guy from st louis who was on my wrestling team

01:06:40.160 to his name's kenny bowen to twin rivers uh church on lee may ferry tess on ferry one of the two

01:06:47.240 and uh he's like hey man we got this youth group that we got on wednesday nights you know we're

01:06:51.380 going to go after practice i'm like sure dude i don't have a car but if you want to pick me up let's

01:06:55.360 go so that was the first time that i kind of started going to like a spirit-filled non-denominational

01:07:00.560 church and then after i started going then my brother started going and then my mom and dad

01:07:05.200 started going so that was kind of our first introduction to kind of a spirit-filled church

01:07:11.200 if you will and that's where i really got saved i was 14 15 years old um and it was an invitation

01:07:17.540 started with an invitation from a guy who i looked up to he's a year older than me kenny bowen all the

01:07:22.580 girls loved him he was cute he was handsome he was an athlete like he was the guy right but he was

01:07:26.920 also a really really great dude um so that's not always the best yeah dude isn't that the best when

01:07:32.820 you meet someone who's got all the skill all the talent got all the stuff and you find out that

01:07:37.180 they're even a better dude yeah dude that's the best like it's you know and that's the guys that

01:07:41.700 i always kind of gravitated towards and then wanted to be um obviously and then um so yeah i mean

01:07:47.600 that's when i really really when i got saved and then you know it's been my guiding light

01:07:51.580 since then um and it definitely ain't all sunshine and rainbows and just because you got

01:07:57.100 you know jesus in your heart and you've accepted him that all of a sudden things are going to work

01:08:00.640 out for you you know your test is your your faith is tested every single day um but it's been the one

01:08:06.220 thing obviously that i've been able to look back on and be like man once again looking at this whole

01:08:12.160 big picture right the bad things that have happened to me that that ended up being good and how god's had

01:08:17.740 me in the palm of his hand the entire time whether it be through the right person through the wrong

01:08:22.480 person through the ups through the downs through everything it's just been um you know and then now

01:08:29.120 to have a platform where i can you know i don't talk a ton about my faith but it's it's my favorite

01:08:35.360 it shines through bro it shines through and my two favorite kind of philosophies about faith for me

01:08:40.660 and this is how i do it right is live your life with so much joy and zeal and happiness that uptight

01:08:46.820 christians question your salvation all right that's number one um and number two preach the

01:08:52.900 gospel at all times but but only use words when necessary right you are a living testimony the way

01:08:59.200 that you operate the way that you live your life the way that you love people um the way that you

01:09:03.560 compete the way that you just live life is your your your testimony and your expression of your faith

01:09:10.860 you don't i don't have to sit here and talk to you about my favorite scriptures or try to get

01:09:15.040 every single person that i talk to saved because it's not the right time for the right or it might

01:09:19.800 be the right person but at the wrong time and everybody's going through their different things

01:09:22.800 and if i can be a light in that way and uh and that's that's what feels authentic to me and that's

01:09:28.940 how i share my faith as much as possible bro i'll be honest with you uh just knowing you and observing

01:09:35.680 that part of you has inspired me in that way just so you know thank you man yeah it's it's really cool

01:09:41.200 and i recognize that you live it and um it's just what it's it's one of the things i admire most

01:09:48.880 about you bro because you're you've been at the top of the world you're one of the most famous guys

01:09:53.520 in the world um in the most famous sport in the world and you've never let that change who you are

01:10:00.720 and you've always continued to live that message and and be a good dude and uh you are that dude

01:10:06.980 you know what i'm saying you're that guy that i'm talking about when you say you meet this guy

01:10:11.080 who's got this and this and this and this and then you find out dude this guy's even a better human

01:10:16.040 and um it's one of it's my favorite thing about you bro dude thank you man that's cool i appreciate

01:10:20.940 it man yeah and i'm that's that's uh because i do hear it a lot where people i mean i really thank

01:10:27.460 you thank you for talking about your faith and to me i don't really feel like i talk about it that

01:10:31.940 much in in a very uh i think in a very uh formal way if you will right because you think like

01:10:38.260 what what does it what does it sound like to talk about your faith right do we have to talk

01:10:42.680 scripture do we have to say talk about god's perspective on every single every single thing

01:10:47.400 do we have to you know do we have to operate as jesus would do we you know how do you do it i mean

01:10:53.860 i think the biggest thing is is if the holy spirit is inside of you and you try to do your best and

01:10:59.820 you're just operating in that way he doesn't have to he doesn't necessarily want you to be talking

01:11:05.040 about him all the time he just wants you to be a shining light to live it just to just live it

01:11:09.560 that's really preaching the gospel at all times but only using words when necessary only quoting

01:11:14.620 scripture when necessary you know and and people can tell people can tell how you by how you live

01:11:21.180 your life most of the time where your faith is at and that's a lot more effective than a lot like

01:11:25.760 you said the uptight christians you know i like that one yeah make me feel uncomfortable i like

01:11:30.280 that one we well we see this we see this in society right now right because things have gotten so far

01:11:36.760 out of control that people are morality people are finding jesus again which is awesome but what we're

01:11:44.600 what i'm seeing and observing is like people are going so far to where they're standing on their little

01:11:50.060 pedestal and they're preaching at you trying to say this and then really when you look at them you're

01:11:56.160 like well bro are you actually living that or are you just good at quoting the numbers and and the

01:12:02.300 passages and this and that yeah and i personally believe in by by no means am i an expert but i

01:12:09.980 personally believe that leading the way in that and how you live how you treat people how kind you are

01:12:15.200 how graceful you are uh and that doesn't mean that sometimes you don't have to stand for yourself or

01:12:20.000 you know jesus flips some tables over once in a while you know what i mean he wasn't a pacifist

01:12:24.180 um but i think that's far more important and far more impactful than someone who just preaches all the

01:12:31.400 time yeah no one one thousand i think i think it's damaging a lot of times i think a lot of people

01:12:36.340 are so preachy that people who are kind of on their way to finding it are like oh man we all feel it

01:12:42.440 yeah we all feel that whenever you're whenever you're around somebody who you're just like dude

01:12:46.620 you you are unattainable like nobody wants somebody who's nobody wants to really be around nobody wants

01:12:52.160 would you really want to be a christian if it if it seems like the level at which you need to be to

01:12:57.480 be a good little boy and a good little christian i think it's it's unbecoming and it makes it makes

01:13:01.960 me feel uncomfortable yeah right you know like you're not good enough yeah like and that's the that is

01:13:06.580 the biggest problem right right like god doesn't call the qualified he qualifies the called

01:13:11.760 he he is qualifying you every single day whether whether you are whether you like you said know

01:13:17.500 every single chapter and verse or you're absolutely perfect or you have screwed every single thing up

01:13:23.080 but you've had a change of heart and you're trying to work your way you know back into being a man of

01:13:28.360 faith and walking in a certain direction and a lot of times man it's those who have gone through the

01:13:35.420 craziest things the most embarrassing things the most the most painful sinful down in the dumps down

01:13:42.500 in the valley things that god uses the most man those are the people who i can look at him and say

01:13:47.220 yeah but look where he came from and look what god did with his life and look at how look at the

01:13:53.100 testimony that he has you know you can't have a testimony without a without a few scars man you know

01:13:58.120 um because it is it's on it's on uh it's unattainable you know and then there's there's people who

01:14:03.620 you know like a guy like tim tebow you know he's he's very very every single thing that he talks

01:14:08.560 about is is faith driven right and that's what feels authentically to him and that's his calling

01:14:13.460 right it feels authentic from him from him yeah from him and he's got a calling on his life man

01:14:18.400 and he's that guy but but if if you were like hey man i need you to be a little bit more like tebow

01:14:23.260 i'd be like hey dude it's not you i don't know if yeah that's my thing yeah and that's does that make

01:14:28.540 him uh does that mean when we stand at the pearly gates we're not both walking waltzing right in

01:14:32.960 you know no we both are um but my testimony is different and and i actually did a podcast with

01:14:40.560 uh uh brian tome who's a pastor and we we were talking back and forth and we were kind of talking

01:14:45.620 about you know because i've i've spoken at churches before i've spoken at men's conferences i've spoken

01:14:50.260 um on you know on the at the pulpit right and and you'd be so surprised at how many people

01:14:57.780 you would think would be like well dude how can this guy be a fighter and a christian it's like well

01:15:02.700 fighting is just the shiny object right we've all got we've all got these talents and these gifts and

01:15:09.340 these shiny objects that get people to look both the followers and the non-followers and the people

01:15:13.720 who have not come to christ yet we've all got that shiny thing that we can say hey this is this is going

01:15:18.480 to get you to look now peel back the layers and now let me make you feel something right now through

01:15:22.600 our interaction mine just happens to be fighting in a cage and it's no more it's no more better or worse

01:15:28.960 than anybody else's calling on their life because you know and this pastor said this brian said he's

01:15:34.680 like man you are reaching people that i would never in a million years be able to reach right that's

01:15:39.380 right like if you look at it just straight from a faith standpoint and you say well this guy fights

01:15:45.080 in a cage and he can win this many but this guy's a preacher and he can win this many it's not crazy

01:15:51.620 to think that i have a greater crowd of witnesses and i have i have some impact that i can make that

01:15:57.340 leads maybe not that person to me to then give their life to christ but that person to the next

01:16:01.880 rung to the next rung but i was one of the catalysts that started that right that's the way that i look

01:16:06.320 at it and the way that i operate is uh just authentically to myself and speaking about it when i

01:16:13.260 want to or or me to or when i'm asked about it or when i feel led to um but that's one of the biggest

01:16:18.840 things god doesn't call the he doesn't call the qualified he qualifies the called and he will well

01:16:23.620 something up inside of you and at different times different seasons right once again the fighter

01:16:28.800 that i am today needed to go through that lost streak or needed to go through this self-doubt and

01:16:32.260 needed to go through that needed to have this upbringing that's the that's the faith journey

01:16:36.580 in a nutshell right as long as it eventually leads to this one spot you're going to go through

01:16:42.780 these different seasons and you might and it might be it might be the right path it might and

01:16:46.800 you might be the right person but it just might not be time yet it might not be the right time

01:16:50.820 i love that you know i love it i love it so what's what's so so what's after fighting

01:16:58.340 man um now i know this but yeah i want people to hear and support yeah i mean after fighting man

01:17:07.560 you know so i'm involved in a couple different companies both through investment and then uh

01:17:11.500 kind of leadership roles and uh you know i have a fitness app that i work on and we're building a

01:17:18.600 community i mean obviously fitness is always going to be a part of my life and it's and it's changed

01:17:22.400 my life it's made me a living it's made me a platform it's made me everything right if i hadn't

01:17:27.100 found the sport or sport of wrestling and then it turned me into the man that i am today um you know

01:17:32.420 i just i just owe a debt of gratitude to fitness and making people find the best versions of themselves

01:17:38.380 right um so continue to work on my businesses build that um i want to speak on stages i want to write

01:17:44.720 i want to just impact as many people as possible um both you know in front of the camera behind the

01:17:50.360 camera on the microphone behind the microphone um and just leave my mark on this planet um you know

01:17:57.780 when i get done fighting and it's really great too like hearing you know we have a lot of the same

01:18:01.320 friends who have who have kind of always said the same thing man like you're the fortune you're going

01:18:05.900 to make and the impact that you're going to make and the platform that you're going to make is going

01:18:08.720 to be tenfold after you lay the gloves down and i'm like hold on dude i don't know you know

01:18:13.620 you kind of you kind of it's gonna you know you kind of get into that mode you're like really dude

01:18:17.280 well okay well if you see if you see that man i want to i'm going to keep on working and i'm going

01:18:20.840 to keep on talking and i'm going to keep on getting after it and uh you know i i just see myself in a

01:18:26.040 position to be able to use the the lessons that i've learned through the last 23 years of of 24 years

01:18:32.960 of hand-to-hand combat and it's uh it's similarities to the fights that all of us are going through in

01:18:38.720 every single aspect of our life and uh turning it into a masterpiece that's going to be able to

01:18:44.480 reach the masses yeah and you're close to some of the best entrepreneurs in the world i know you're

01:18:48.780 really good with with ed you're close to ed uh you're close to dana you know dana's people see dana

01:18:55.720 on the usc but they fail to realize how intelligent and how smart he is as a businessman so smart man bro

01:19:02.820 and and it was really revealed this weekend and i'm really really happy that it happened but you saw

01:19:08.380 there was 300 000 bonuses this weekend so max holloway won 600 000 in bonuses so there's four

01:19:13.820 bonuses one bonus each for the two guys in the in the fight of the night and then one performance of

01:19:19.260 the night and one knockout of the night um normally they're 50 000 bonuses which isn't a bad night at the

01:19:25.060 office for a bonus one of the reporters asked hey ufc 300 you should up into 300 000 and about one

01:19:32.280 second later he goes done and he just and it's badass it was very badass and i almost tweeted it

01:19:38.540 um and i talked to dana a little bit after the fights via kind of voice notes and stuff but

01:19:43.340 when i was negotiating with dana it was he and i and he made me an offer and i asked for i think it

01:19:50.540 was like 30 more you know i was like dana what's holding you back from you know 30 more he's like you

01:19:55.700 know what kid fuck it done and i was just like and that's how dana talks right yeah and uh that so

01:20:03.300 hearing the word done it just it it it made me remember if you bring enough to the table the

01:20:11.140 problem is don't out point your coverage the problem is don't don't take all the meat off the

01:20:15.600 bone man don't make it make it a win for them yeah right yeah don't yeah make it up make it a win

01:20:21.720 win man make it make it so that if you win they're like dang we got a great investment if you lose

01:20:28.160 they're like dang man well at least we didn't at least he didn't come and swing for the fence as

01:20:32.780 you know yeah so it was really cool and i what's really funny about dana and the ufc is i just don't

01:20:39.700 understand you know obviously he gets a ton of a ton of flack for not paying the fighters enough

01:20:45.980 fighter pay and this and that man but he's taking care of guys so much better than i think a lot of

01:20:50.160 people even realize well also too nobody sees the inner like people dude people think that you get

01:20:57.120 a bottle of protein here and it costs you 50 cents and you're selling it for 60 bucks that that's they

01:21:03.420 when they look at the ufc they don't think about you know all the expense all the operating costs all

01:21:10.740 the things that it takes to run a business they don't nobody thinks about those things they just

01:21:15.080 think they they do the math how many people watched yeah how much was the ticket how much was the

01:21:19.900 ticket how much are the how much are the the ad revenue they don't even think about the sponsorship

01:21:24.120 because they don't think that far ahead yeah and then they say okay well everybody should be making

01:21:28.220 a hundred million dollars and it's like everybody should have yeah dude now see the superpower that

01:21:32.820 i have and why i think why i have such a great relationship with the with the ufc and why i will

01:21:38.580 always love the ufc is i have the i have the unique perspective of the other organizations right

01:21:43.540 bellator was the number two organization in the world and i would watch how the ufc would promote

01:21:50.200 their fights and i don't think it's crazy to say that the ufc spends more money promoting

01:21:56.840 one fight than bellator spent the entire year on promotion the ufc was continuing to elevate the

01:22:04.860 game of mixed martial arts the whole sport of mixed martial arts and bellator pfl one championship all

01:22:11.420 these other organizations were just rising with the tide that the ufc was raising um and i and i

01:22:18.500 said that to dana and he actually just uh he actually just talked to me yesterday about this

01:22:22.800 sent me the voice notes we were kind of so he's like because i basically thanked him hey hey man

01:22:26.540 it's been a long journey glad we got this thing done can't wait to go out there and put on a crazy

01:22:30.780 show on june 29th and he was kind of reminiscing about my first phone call with dana basically he was

01:22:36.160 on he was on the tarmac in las vegas about to head out to somewhere we're talking for like five minutes

01:22:42.280 we're having a great back and forth conversation and i and i said this and it's 100 true it was just

01:22:47.480 just as true then as it is now and even five years prior i said dana number one i didn't know i i don't

01:22:55.200 i don't know if i would have been the man that you needed me to be a couple years ago when i had these

01:22:59.000 other opportunities these other opportunities to come over to the ufc so i'm really happy happy it's

01:23:03.360 happening right now and you have not paid me one dollar you have not signed your name on one of my

01:23:07.700 checks over the last 12 years but indirectly your name has been on every single one of my checks

01:23:13.060 because you have built and quarterbacked and championed this entire sport and then dana's like

01:23:18.640 oh my god i love it he basically hangs up hangs up on me calls hunter calls me back and he said hey

01:23:24.760 dude i know we got some sticking points but dude i don't know what you've been saying to my people but

01:23:28.360 they absolutely love you i love you i've always known we've loved you you're awesome you're

01:23:33.180 every single thing that we need and we want you to come over we're going to get you whatever we

01:23:36.880 need to get you to come over to the ufc and that's how the conversation went that's bad and then

01:23:40.460 and but it wasn't it wasn't a negotiation tactic it wasn't a ploy no it wasn't it was it was so

01:23:46.300 genuine and it is true man it's like and they get they take so much flack but of course they do

01:23:53.140 because the tallest nail is always going to get hammered you know and they're going to continue to

01:23:56.760 get hammered and they're going to continue to keep looking down while everybody else is is you know

01:24:01.880 trying to grab their ankles and pull them down instead of trying to just reach up to the next

01:24:05.420 rung they're trying instead of them reaching themselves up and trying to get themselves to

01:24:08.840 the next rung they're trying to reach up and pull the ufc down and that's just never a recipe for

01:24:13.300 success man and and the way that he operates man it's it's uh it's special man and it's it's a

01:24:18.940 blessing to be a part of it i think he sets a great example for for a lot of business owners

01:24:23.660 who are afraid to stand for what they believe in and speak for what they believe in now you don't

01:24:29.720 have to agree i happen to agree i love daniel yeah like i think i'll agree in this i got this

01:24:34.640 little i got this little note in my phone you know because dude i catch a lot of shit right like

01:24:39.200 yeah you don't say what what we say and not catch stuff a little something a couple of armchair

01:24:44.480 hey listen the best part about it is i become immune to it it does not affect me i think the

01:24:48.920 part about it i had this note what the people came back came back and they said you were right

01:24:54.440 yeah yeah oh yeah exactly no not me we yeah but but i had this note in my phone this was like i

01:25:00.080 don't know five years ago and it says like for when the when the heat would come it would always

01:25:05.860 it's it just says very simply what would dana white do what would he what would he say yeah yeah and

01:25:10.640 you know what i just follow that blue pic i'm like you know what hey fuck you this is what i do

01:25:15.160 if you don't like it turn to channel and once again like it's it's very it's it's very hard for

01:25:23.040 people to see that because they're like dude i don't like that guy because he is so confident

01:25:27.100 in himself i don't like because he really does not care like i don't like him because all the

01:25:32.520 things that i have to deal with all the things all my doubts and fears and insecurities that bother me

01:25:36.440 all the stuff that bothers me i don't like him because he doesn't have to deal with what i have

01:25:40.080 to deal with you know and it really is tough tougher in 2024 than it was in 1924 because of social

01:25:46.220 media and the world that we live in now and keeping up with the joneses and all of this stuff

01:25:49.940 i will admit and i will concede that it is tougher to live in the world that we live in

01:25:54.840 from that standpoint absolutely criticism standpoint it's easier to make yeah you didn't have to you

01:25:59.340 didn't have to see it back then yeah it's easier to make money it's easier to be successful it's

01:26:03.520 easier to do all those things because the internet and all these different things but it is very

01:26:07.080 challenging from that perspective so when we see somebody like that or a guy like yourself you're

01:26:11.600 like dang dude i don't like him it's like well do you not like him why don't you like him you just

01:26:16.040 don't like him because you wish you were more like that i mean i want to be more like that

01:26:20.000 everybody wants to be more like that that is that is freedom yeah and that really is you get this

01:26:25.620 short window of opportunity to live on this earth right and if you can operate the way that he's

01:26:31.220 operating man well you got to stand in the fire dude like that's the thing people don't understand

01:26:35.420 like when you don't stand in the fire right when you don't let the heat come and you just censor

01:26:40.500 yourself first of all you're degrading your own sense of worth you're saying i'm not being

01:26:45.380 authentic i'm not being who i am for fear of judgment for fear of criticism and that will

01:26:51.540 drive your self-esteem your self-worth your trust in yourself into the basement because you know you're

01:26:58.300 not presenting what you truly believe and if you would just stand out in the heat a little bit

01:27:03.420 it's like getting out in the sun bro the first day you get burnt you're like oh man yeah i should

01:27:08.300 have put some sunblock on right not really because i don't need it i don't need it yeah

01:27:13.440 no i don't bro i get darker than you i actually got burned the other day actually yeah but but

01:27:21.780 dude we're we're in a situation you get immune to it like you're yeah that you get conditioned to

01:27:27.200 it it's like a cold plunge yeah like you the first time you're in the cold plunge you're like

01:27:31.160 oh dude this is horrible and then you you get in it more and more and more and more and before you

01:27:37.920 know it you're in there for eight minutes at 35 degrees and you're like bro this is the best part of my

01:27:42.360 day yeah you know and and dude so when you get in that situation if people would just step out

01:27:47.920 and just allow themselves to feel it eventually you become conditioned to it and it doesn't bother

01:27:54.380 you it's just like anything else it's like when you start to go out and train the first day it's

01:27:58.860 hard second day it's hard and then it gets like kind of really hard for a minute and then all of a

01:28:04.640 sudden you acclimate and it gets easy yeah and uh and because people can't stand out there and take it

01:28:09.880 the first time or the second time or the third time they don't realize that like if you would

01:28:14.560 just stand there and and stand on your own two feet this stuff would stop stop killing you man

01:28:20.440 yeah and i think and i think you might have been the first person that ever really hear like kind

01:28:24.680 of drill it into this this idea of being able to trust yourself yeah this this idea of like self

01:28:29.000 image how do you have a high self image if you can't trust yourself i mean we've we've we've talked

01:28:32.840 about it 20 different ways about yeah doing the small things and setting a certain standard because

01:28:37.640 you know when you're that's another part of it when you when you when you cut corners are you lazy

01:28:42.320 or you you leave your shopping cart sitting over there you do litter whatever that's you know whether

01:28:47.780 you thought about it or not or you felt entitled enough to leave your hotel room a mess because

01:28:52.200 the cleaning lady's going to take care of it you're you're losing a little bit of trust with yourself

01:28:56.320 to get the job done so whether it's fighting in a cage or whether it's running a business or whether

01:29:00.640 it's running a household or whether it's being a parent how are you going to be able to trust

01:29:05.340 yourself in those moments if you know you can't get small little things done and and that's that's

01:29:11.780 something that i think you you you just spoke about but people probably just heard it and didn't they

01:29:16.160 kind of glossed over it you really are breaking a promise to yourself every single time you don't

01:29:20.740 stand up for what you believe in that's right every single time that you every single time that you

01:29:24.480 water yourself down every single time that you you copy there was i actually uh had a mindset coach

01:29:30.060 named jim hensel he called it moving the truth right it's kind of like omitting the truth but

01:29:34.140 you're moving the truth like it's not really the truth but you're moving the truth to accommodate

01:29:38.400 others yeah you make up you make up a story or you or you you say sorry for this when really you're not

01:29:43.500 sorry because you're doing what you're doing what it was authentically yourself you're breaking the

01:29:48.100 trust and promise that you have with yourself and you do it long enough before you know it you're a

01:29:52.140 shell of the man that you were called to be and you i owe it to my family i owe it to my wife i owe it to

01:29:57.280 my god my creator i owe it to society and i got i 100 honest we fail you even you you're you seem

01:30:05.280 like you're and maybe even dana every now and then there might be those moments where oh for sure you

01:30:09.560 know like okay i probably should have just said what i wanted to say there for sure but that's that

01:30:13.260 unlocks things too where you're like okay that dana's imprinted impenetrable he always says what's

01:30:17.240 on his mind i'm sure he's got those moments where yeah but when they become more and more far and few

01:30:21.500 between you're not a hundred thousand percent trustworthy but it's 99.9 percent and 99.9

01:30:28.620 is a heck of a place to be yeah dude you know i get criticized a lot for my positions on things in

01:30:34.860 the world obviously but like first of all i don't expect everybody to agree with me that's not the

01:30:39.700 purpose of me sharing them the purpose of me sharing them is to give my take on it right i feel like i have

01:30:47.140 a skill set a knowledge base i have enough life experience to give a reasonable take that should

01:30:53.920 be considered and you know people will say to me they will say why don't you just take it easy on

01:30:59.360 this or why don't you just because dude if i don't say what i believe to be true if i do not say exactly

01:31:08.160 what i believe to be true i am lowering all of the qualities that i need to operate as a human being

01:31:15.200 and if we would just look at it instead of saying oh just let people do whatever they want and let

01:31:21.580 dude there's limits to that there's limits to this because eventually when we're pacifying other people

01:31:27.620 and moving the truth to your point we we do become we lose our confidence we lose our swagger we lose our

01:31:35.000 belief and self that we need to be us like you can't walk out in the middle of a ring in front of

01:31:42.040 a hundred million people on television or whatever it is right and not think you're the man bro like

01:31:50.240 you have to and it has to be real it has to be real dude and that requires being authentic to self

01:31:57.960 as a baseline foundation and um you know i think if people would consider what

01:32:05.340 not being authentic does to their character and does to their belief in themselves they would be

01:32:12.300 a lot more likely to do so yeah and i think it's kind of what i what i said earlier because i was

01:32:16.500 just thinking about it how the older you get you just start caring less and less yeah and is it that

01:32:21.540 you care less and less or is it that you know what it feels like to move the truth and not be

01:32:26.920 authentically yourself that eventually you just start to be like no wait why have i done that for so long

01:32:32.560 and then and then obviously there's usually the older you get there's more success or the older

01:32:37.100 you get now maybe you've got a wife and kids you got people or you got your company has now tripled

01:32:41.720 quadrupled 10x in time in size right so it doesn't matter you you've just got more and more life

01:32:47.200 experience and you care less also because you know you used to care and you used to move the truth and

01:32:52.280 you used to pander and you used to water yourself down and it really was just so inauthentic yeah and

01:32:57.080 it bothered me like like anytime i've ever done that in my life i i like dude i'll remember it

01:33:02.840 forever for like years yeah i'm like fuck i can't wait till i see that guy again because i'm gonna

01:33:08.120 tell him the truth this time that's what i think that's i think when i get the maddest yeah it's

01:33:12.680 really hard for somebody else to steal my joy and make me mad at them yeah and it's funny too because

01:33:18.100 me and my wife are very similar right like and that's how it is when she gets her most upset it's

01:33:23.340 never at anybody else because it's like dude someone can't do that someone can't do enough

01:33:28.160 to you to make you as mad as you could probably get at yourself when you know you've made a mistake

01:33:32.680 or pandered or man this is not who i am why did i do this why did i just tell him this is what i want

01:33:37.980 this is how i want it to be this is how it should be and i deserve it not in a cocky uh entitled way but

01:33:44.000 like this is what we got to do right you know and and that's when you get really mad at yourself right

01:33:48.420 and it's and it's uh that's when i get and i will remember it right but it also sometimes you need

01:33:54.400 to go through that also too to finally put you back in line yeah yeah put you back in line but

01:33:59.020 also i feel like sometimes that's a little bit of a an inadvertent like you probably shouldn't let it

01:34:04.660 happen but each time it does happen you're getting closer and closer to that person who just doesn't

01:34:08.580 give a heck yeah you're like i don't give a rip dude yeah you know and it helps you and it doesn't

01:34:12.940 mean you got to be it doesn't mean you're gonna take advantage of people be a bad person not a person of

01:34:17.300 integrity do bad things you're doing really really good things but i'm just not going to

01:34:22.160 sacrifice who i am and how i do things that's right yeah you know i want to ask you this man

01:34:27.040 like like give me give me a straight fucking answer the first time that bruce announced you

01:34:32.080 how was that dude my my first experience of fighting in the ufc was i've had some really really

01:34:40.400 really great moments in my entire career but that one was extra extra special so i mean yeah i get

01:34:46.880 getting chills thinking about it because yeah when it happened because it's one of those deals

01:34:51.640 where i've watched the ufc from afar from so long and i've got to be honest with you i've done

01:34:56.080 interviews where i'm like yeah i deserve to be in the ufc but i didn't really truly believe it you

01:34:59.860 know when i was a little bit younger and then i needed to get to the point where i finally believed

01:35:03.940 it and i deserved it and i knew i i almost forced the door to open about four or five years ago because

01:35:10.980 i went through three different contract renewals or four different contract renewals with ufc or with

01:35:15.280 bellator each time i was going to have the opportunity to become a free agent take a chance

01:35:20.100 and go to the ufc and each time it just never felt like the right time until it felt like the exact

01:35:25.360 right time which was you know 2020 when it happened and i was taking a chance on myself i was leaving

01:35:32.160 relative i was leaving relative security bellator loved me they were paying me very well i was going

01:35:37.180 to come over to the ufc i thought i was going to take a pay cut turns out i did not take a pay cut

01:35:41.040 and i was very pleasantly surprised um but i was still taking a chance i still there's a lot of

01:35:47.020 people who were like i mean you know and even my wife you know for for years it's like well we got

01:35:51.720 a great thing going but i want you to do what you want to do and i was like yeah babe but if i go there

01:35:56.540 if i go to a barbecue it's over i'm getting cut she's like is that what you want to do i'm like yeah

01:36:00.940 that's what i want to do because i wasn't going to be able to lay my i pictured the 40 year old me

01:36:05.280 the 42 year old me retired laying in bed at night and i just cannot get comfortable because my head

01:36:11.020 is laying on this 40 pound cinder block of why did you not go test yourself against the best guys the

01:36:17.560 biggest the baddest the best guys in the world why did you not take a chance on yourself you walked on

01:36:21.500 to mizzou nobody knew who you were everyone from high ridge missouri was like hey dude why don't you

01:36:26.840 just go to missouri baptist or why don't you just go to cmsu they're offering you scholarship you did it

01:36:32.220 back then how could how could 18 year old michael make that choice but 34 year old michael can't make

01:36:36.760 that choice after all of god's faithfulness after all the things that you've done right

01:36:41.640 but that moment when i was walking out there to that first fight in the ufc man you can just see

01:36:47.900 the joy like it was it was i knew i was right where i was supposed to be i would and i had zero

01:36:53.660 doubts whatsoever which most of the time i do luckily walking into the cage but that was it was a special

01:36:59.700 special night and dan hooker's number five in the world knock him out in the first two and a half

01:37:03.280 minutes he had just went 25 minutes with dustin poirier the number two guy in the world at that

01:37:07.360 point and yeah bruce announcing the name and finally watching the ufc from afar hearing bruce

01:37:12.580 buffer from afar all those years and now he's saying iron michael chandler man it's uh it's pretty crazy

01:37:18.580 dude we're gonna wrap it up because i i uh we got some other stuff to do too yeah we got some other

01:37:25.500 stuff yeah but s'mores party s'mores we got s'mores to eat some of this guy so dude let me

01:37:32.720 before we go i'd like i'd like to close with with just one thing um what's what's your message to

01:37:40.880 connor i'm just kidding no let's go you know actually i would actually like to clear something

01:37:48.400 up so i actually uh i gotta ask this uh a little while back before the fight was announced and whatever

01:37:53.780 like what's the message to connor you know ed and i have been talking about this a lot and he's like

01:37:58.440 the thing we're gonna hammer home michael is that you have earned this you really really have and i

01:38:02.900 know there's got to be a tiny little part of you that little guy from that little town it was taught

01:38:06.440 to do little things that i always talk about he's still in there and there's a part of you that's

01:38:10.180 like hey man yeah you're here but you haven't earned it you don't deserve it right and i'm like

01:38:14.660 yeah no there's there's that there's always that little inkling in all of us right he's like but

01:38:17.720 we got a hammer home that you earned this right you have yeah and i and i and i and i answered this

01:38:23.060 question um a couple weeks ago and i was getting a little bit of hate for it because it kind of came

01:38:27.800 off like hey connor hasn't earned it and i have earned it we must be very clear connor mcgregor

01:38:32.760 was the best thing for mixed martial arts ever ever in the history of the sport he has built the sport

01:38:39.180 he he i'm making more money because of him the next fighter's making more money because of him

01:38:44.020 more people know us because of him he's elevated the sport the ufc has done a lot of that as well

01:38:49.700 connor mcgregor has earned every single thing that he's ever gotten he's probably earned more

01:38:54.500 he probably could have made more had there not been some other things decisions that he has made he

01:38:58.480 has done every single thing that he needs to do to be exactly where he is at but when it comes to

01:39:03.380 the last couple years when it comes to who's going to put more work in who has been putting

01:39:08.540 more work in who has been more steadfast more immovable more disciplined i'm the guy who has earned

01:39:13.980 it right i'm the guy who stepping into that cage when i do finish him and his eyes roll back in the

01:39:20.240 back of his head i'm not going to feel anything but i am very very blessed man and i earned this

01:39:27.720 and i deserve this and i think i finish him in the second round let's go all right one thing this is

01:39:34.060 what i was really gonna ask sorry i love it i just hijacked i just hijacked you no no no i loved it

01:39:40.000 but what i really want to ask because i think it's important because we have a lot of young

01:39:45.700 hungry ambitious people that listen to the show if you could go back from where you are now and you

01:39:53.740 said earlier you couldn't see that 15 year old connecting the dots to be where you are now what

01:39:59.760 would your message be to the young men and the young women and that 15 year old michael chandler

01:40:05.360 who is filled with uncertainty and uncertain about the path and really can't connect the dots

01:40:13.820 they know they want to get somewhere but they're not sure how to do it what would that message be

01:40:19.380 man i think the message is going to be it's all going to work out and never ever ever grow weary in

01:40:27.460 doing good people are going to try to put you into a box people are going to tell you

01:40:32.820 that you have to live your life this way you have to talk like this you have to walk like this

01:40:37.840 you have to do this you have to act like this these are the things this is what society says

01:40:42.840 that you have to do this is what we say you need to do this is what your parents say you need to do

01:40:49.720 this is what your friends say you need to do there's going to be all of these conflicting

01:40:52.880 things and then you're going to get into your path and then there's going to be even more people

01:40:58.300 talking and and and the road to wherever way you're going to go and there's going to be so

01:41:03.640 much uncertainty because you're you're not quite sure how to build it if you step on that square

01:41:09.860 right there is it a foothold is it going to fall out underneath you or is it going to take you to

01:41:13.500 the next step you're not quite sure all you can do is boil it all the way back down distill it

01:41:19.960 all the way back down to just operating with integrity and doing the best becoming the best

01:41:24.840 version of yourself brick by boring brick and doing the small little things because yeah when

01:41:29.520 I was younger um if if you would have told me that I was going to be sitting here on the cusp of 75

01:41:35.480 days away from the pinnacle of what mixed martial arts is um I would have thought you were absolutely

01:41:42.880 crazy I would have I would have told you right there don't you bring don't you bring that energy

01:41:47.560 toward me right now because I feel like you're lying to me there is no way that that is going to

01:41:50.800 happen and then eventually you get to the point where you look back at that 15 year old boy and

01:41:55.820 you think man I'm so proud of you for never giving up and I'm proud of you for making those decisions

01:42:01.660 I'm proud of you for walking on I'm proud of you in the face of adversity you pulled yourself back up

01:42:08.060 I'm proud of you for the way that you've operated and I'm proud of you for never ever wavering

01:42:15.840 because it's going to be the things that kept you small the things that suppressed you it's going

01:42:22.800 to be the things that held you down that will eventually springboard you into something that

01:42:27.460 is so much bigger than you ever thought could ever ever be possible you're going to get the

01:42:32.380 opportunities for the big big things because of the things that kept you small because of the things

01:42:40.700 that held you down because of the things that you hated yourself for and the way that you did

01:42:45.700 operate and how you were afraid and the fear and the doubt and all of that all of that stuff is the

01:42:51.920 reason you're going to get this opportunity so just stay steadfast in that and as long as you're doing

01:42:57.160 what you can do as long as you're doing the best that you can do it might not be tomorrow it might not

01:43:02.540 be next week but eventually the hard work will pay off but you still have to be standing there

01:43:06.300 to receive it when it does bro I love that man dude thank you so much man this has been an

01:43:14.460 awesome conversation uh this has been an amazing show it's one of my favorite conversations we've

01:43:18.820 ever had thank you and uh 75 days bro 75 days I give you my word I'm going to go as hard as I can go

01:43:26.280 for the next 75 days just just to support that's going to be my way to support all right and I know

01:43:33.360 there's going to be a lot of people listening that will do the same we're going to get behind

01:43:36.520 you in this fight so um I would say good luck but I don't think you need it I know you're going to

01:43:41.860 show up every day and I know you're going to do the work um brother I'm proud to be your friend

01:43:47.060 I'm proud to have you as part of first form I'm proud of who you are as a man and uh you're a great

01:43:53.060 example for for everybody listening including myself and bro I just appreciate you man thank you bro

01:43:58.120 it's an honor honor to be here thank you for this and I'm proud to be part of first form and what you

01:44:02.500 have created here because I am extremely extremely proud of it well it's day one bro day one baby

01:44:07.420 that's right day one all right guys that's the show uh I appreciate you guys I love you guys

01:44:13.940 and uh don't be a hoe for the show

01:44:16.540 went from sleeping on the floor now my jewelry box froze fuck a pole fuck a stole counted millions in

01:44:24.140 the cold bad bitch booted swole got her on bankroll can't fold doesn't know headshot case close

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REAL AF with Andy Frisella - April 16, 2024

687. The Power Of Daily Discipline Ft. Michael Chandler

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