SUNDAY SERMON： Setting the Record Straight on Significance, with Andy Frisella - MFCEO268
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Summary
In this episode of the MFCEO Project, DJ God and Pastor Vaughn discuss the importance of a Sunday Sermon and reminisce about growing up in Kansas in the 60's and 70's in cars. DJ God is a DJ, Pastor Vaughn is a pastor, and they are good friends.
Transcript
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If you want to make your dream become reality, the people that are running after their dream know they're going to have hard times.
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They keep on running because they're saying within themselves, I'm the one. I'm the one.
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No matter how bad it is or how bad it gets, I'm going to make it.
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What is up, guys? You're listening to the MFCEO Project. I'm Andy. I'm your host.
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Today is Sunday Sermon. And I'm excited about Sunday Sermon because we haven't done one in a while.
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I got my man, my main source of the holiness, DJ, DJ God, Vaughn, the pastor of Disaster.
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There's no way I can compete with MC French Fries today.
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Because, you know, I don't even, dude, I bought this and I'm going to be honest.
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I don't, because, yeah, because he wishes there was a butt flap.
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I've been out of town a lot the last month or so.
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So we haven't really got down to sit down and talk about some meaningful shit.
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But before we do that, can I share something with you that I think you're going to think is kind of cool?
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Uh, so something that happened fairly recently that I actually thought was pretty cool was I found out that my neighbor, my next door neighbor that I grew up with in Hutchinson, Kansas, he actually listens to the show.
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And he reminded me, because he, you know, he's, uh, he knows you're a car guy.
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I think you got one of, you got, we got confused.
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You're speaking to me, but you were supposed to be speaking to Tyler.
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And, and I was reminded that they're talking about cocks, my fresh, my freshman and sophomore year of high school.
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If we're being honest, we drove all of us, my older brother, Brian and I, we drove Brian's car every day to school.
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And I, I knew it was an old car, but I didn't realize it was a 1964 Chevelle.
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And we, and he, I remember I like, I literally have a flashbulb memory of, um, him.
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Driving that car off his driveway for the first time after, uh, after, I don't know if his dad had helped him buy it or, you know, they worked out a deal where he paid for it.
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But they used to drive like on extremely cold days.
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I was in the back seat and they would roll down the windows and just completely freeze me out.
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So I, I have, I have associations of being very cold in a 1964 Chevelle, but yours isn't a 64, right?
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The one, the one cool thing about Chevelles is they change literally every year.
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So, um, up until 70, I'm not a, I don't like the 71s or 72s, but up until 70, they get cool.
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But it was a cool car and it was very loud car and, uh, smelled like gas, but it was a good, good times, good memories.
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You know how you're always talking about like, you have this sort of love, hate relationship with the success industry and the success and motivation space.
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Like there's a lot of it you like about it, like the, like the personal development, that sort of stuff.
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Look, I appreciate people that are genuinely trying to help people improve.
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He genuinely cares about helping people, which is why we're partners in Arate.
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But what I don't like is the fakeness of a lot of it.
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You know, a lot of it's just, you could tell it's there to be self-serving to the people putting out the content.
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It's not about, you know, truly helping someone.
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It's about making people think that you want to help them.
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And that's actually what I'm getting at because I feel like in this whole space, there's this, there's a lot of talk about significance.
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Like, dude, it's, it's, you know, people make these fucking memes that say shit like, oh, inner peace is the new success.
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That's the fuck, you know, but they, it's, it's pandering.
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It's what can I say that will appease the most amount of people, right?
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But I'm going to tell you this, inner peace and, and financial success, they don't go together until you've been doing it for a long fucking time.
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So like, and there's just all kinds of those stupid memes that I see.
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It's like really, honestly, 90% of them are bullshit.
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And you could tell whoever wrote them and whoever's posting them has never really done anything truly in business.
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A truly seasoned business person, entrepreneur wouldn't say shit like that.
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So, you know, in my mind, I see that as predatory, right?
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I see that as someone who's trying to market an idea to someone or get someone to endear them or like them or pursue them, whether they're telling the truth or not.
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And it gives a sour taste, which is why I'm starting to withdraw myself from a lot of these, these events.
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It's not, it's not, to me, it's not morally okay to charge someone a thousand dollars to come to an event just to sell them more shit.
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I, I think that if someone pays a thousand dollars, it's your obligation to give them some real fucking tools on how they can go out and get a return on that a thousand dollars.
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And it should be more of a, sort of a casual sell, not a hard sell.
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Oh, it shouldn't be this fucking, oh, right now it's 77%.
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And the reason I like Ed so much is, dude, first of all, you and I both know Ed's ridiculously fucking smart.
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And it's an overused term, like a super overused term, but he is authentic.
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And, uh, and dude, I just haven't met many people in this space that are like that.
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And it's, and so like for me, I see all the fakeness.
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And then what happens is, is I start to think of myself as part of that when I know I'm not.
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Like, but I see myself as like, all right, people must perceive me like them.
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And so I start to withdraw, I stop producing content, I stop doing things because I'm embarrassed.
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And I'm like, this is fucking, I'm not a part of this.
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And so I've decided that I'm just going, and I've talked to Ed about this a lot.
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We're just going to move away from that shit and we're going to do our own stuff.
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Like we're going to do things like, instead of going to these other fucking events, we're
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going to do things like me and Ed go around and do fireside chats with people, you know,
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And do it small, you know, two, 300 people at a time.
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And like, just keep it so we can truly provide value.
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And I love that you mentioned the politician aspect of it because, you know, you think of
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the politician who's like kissing the babies and flipping the, flipping the pancakes
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And so that's kind of where I'm going with this is because there's so much talk about
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pursuing a life of significance and doing significant things.
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And really all of it is trying to make self-aggrandizement and puffing up your ego seem morally, you
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You know, like it's basically saying, I'm going to talk about significant and making an impact,
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And so I wanted to, I really wanted to get your input on, I feel like there's a dark
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There's a dark side to pursuing a life of significance.
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Well, the problem is, dude, here's the problem, bro.
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The problem is, is that people are now totally conditioned for the like and the share and
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And so what you have is you have literally hundreds of thousands of people out there associating
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And they think significance means having a lot of followers, being popular, you know,
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And that's why you see so many people ruin their social media because they do that one
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post, they got a lot of likes and they just keep doing the same shit over and over again
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And that's how many Instagram accounts do you see like that?
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Um, but see, the thing they don't understand is that you don't become significant by pursuing
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Nobody that's been significant on the face of the earth set out to just be significant.
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Like they set out to solve a real problem, to, uh, pursue a cause, to defeat an enemy,
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But it's not just about, and that's why like, dude, people say, well, what about actors?
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Well, dude, the best actors are the ones that care the most about creating awesome movies.
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It's not about ones who are just saying, I want to be the best actor.
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They're the ones who say, dude, I am not doing that movie because it's going to be shitty.
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And they go deep into being a character and they care about their craft.
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And it's really goes, it really goes hand in hand with, with being successful in business
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because people don't make a lot of money by trying to make a lot of money.
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They make a lot of money by trying to solve a real problem.
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So you're saying that, that, that basically they're, they're making significance as they're
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making significance as the thing that they're seeking rather, rather than the by-product
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So like you said, I mean, I don't, I just restate you, you, you provide value.
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And then the by-product is you live the life of significance.
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But if you're pursuing just significance for significance sake, to me, that's, it's all
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And what you're doing when you do that is you're falling in line with the 99% that are
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It's okay to want to be significant, but just understand that if you're going to pursue
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that path for the sake of being popular, for the sake of being significant, you're going
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So if you truly want to be significant, which is great, you should want to be significant
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because that means you're being impactful in a certain way.
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But if you truly want for selfish reasons, I want to be popular.
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I'm not saying there's something wrong with that.
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But what I'm saying is understand that to get that, you have to do something else that
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Do you think the test of whether we are doing it for the right reasons is, would I do this
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if literally nobody but God and me knew I was doing it?
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Would I still do this literally if the only people that knew I was doing this was God and
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I think there's an integrity aspect to that and maybe an authenticity aspect to that.
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But what I truly think is that it's okay to want people to recognize you, but I think
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you just have to understand how to go about it.
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And it's the opposite of how most people go about it.
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I mean, I think there's nobility in what you just said for sure, but I don't think that
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I think it's okay for people to want recognition.
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Recognition is a pretty basic human need for a lot of people.
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You know, most people would rather be recognized than get paid.
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You know, I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
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But you just have to understand that to be recognized, you've got to be good at something.
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Or you've got to be producing something that causes that.
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There's actually two places in the Gospels where Jesus talks about this.
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And in one place, he talks about like, he actually says, do your great works so people
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can see them so that they give glory to God in heaven.
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In other words, I mean, to put that into modern translation, he's saying, yeah, be really public
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about the good things you do so that it makes people happy.
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And they end up saying, yay, God, and yay, life, you know?
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But then the flip side of it is that he takes on some of the religious people of the day
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where he says, okay, literally the only reason that you're doing this is because you want
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So I guess what you're, yeah, I mean, what you're saying, there's just two sides of it.
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It's okay to go public with things if the whole idea is that everybody benefits.
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Like, I actually, personally, I get a lot of recognition.
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And honestly, I don't, people will say this is bullshit when I say it, but it's the truth.
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But I understand that the recognition comes with some of the things that I do.
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It's just something that I don't really like about it.
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But I deal with that because I know what I'm doing is good things.
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You are, I would guess that you're probably like me.
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Like, I don't care for recognition, but when I see other people get recognized.
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But what I'm going to say is when I see people get recognized for something that I could have
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got recognized for and I didn't, like, that kind of, like, that adds a little fuel
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Uh, because, because right now you're at a stage in your life where you already have
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So maybe if it completely disappeared, you might think differently about that.
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I mean, dude, I like going to a restaurant and not having to wait for a fucking table.
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But also what I'm saying, though, is like, if there's, if there's another podcast that
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tops your business podcast, like, they're getting recognized as number one.
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But I want to win because I know, I want to know.
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Like, I haven't really ever thought about it too much.
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I would much rather give the recognition that I get to, to, to my, to you guys or my team
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or whoever, because dude, to me, it's not that big of a deal.
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And the truth is, is that I don't really do that much.
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Like, dude, I've got such good teams around me that most of the time I just have to show
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So I think, I think that's humility coming through.
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You do a, you do a whole lot more than, than your, I mean, come on, dude.
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Like if you suddenly died, heaven forbid, there'd be, I mean, could, could first form.
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Well, you know, I mean, dude, the goal is to build it so that it's not a huge loss.
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But the goal in building a company is to build it so that no matter who leaves, it's irreplaceable
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No matter if it's CEO, if your company's dependent on the CEO to win, you're not building the
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And I mean, America still went on without JFK, but you can bet that when he got shot,
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So, um, so basically bottom line is you don't achieve.
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Uh, so you don't achieve significance by pursuing it.
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It's the result of pursuing something greater, which is impacting people and really selflessly,
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I see a lot of, especially a lot of people making on social right now.
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They're just doing things for the sake of doing it.
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So you talked about the likes and the, and the comments and that sort of stuff.
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Like what's, what's dude, you know, what's funny is like, I don't, I think people forget
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that like before social media, there's tons of significant people, very significant people
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that nobody ever even knew who the fuck they were.
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Like, dude, there's people in our city right now who spend every fucking free minute of
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They have doing charitable things or doing good things for the homeless people or whatever.
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Those people are making an impact, but nobody knows who they are.
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They're super significant, especially to the people that they're helping.
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Now, are they getting recognized for that significance?
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No, but that's not the goal of what they're doing.
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So I think significance goes way beyond recognition, in my opinion.
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I just think that, you know, people have, can, can, can almost conjoin those two concepts
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Well, think about how significant all the American soldiers who have lost their lives.
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Who have delivered up their lives for freedom that we don't know.
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You know, I love, I love that we have Tomb of the Unknown Soldier because it's a recognition
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that there are people out there whose lives we don't know who have died for us.
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You know, and it's, it's sobering, but it's also like, it puts you in your place when you
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realize that there are people who have done a whole lot more than you and probably, and
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I'm not picking on her, but I'm just, I'm just using this example.
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There are everyday citizens who have made such an incredibly higher, more deeply impactful
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mark on history than like someone like Kim Kardashian, who has 120 million followers.
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I'm just saying as an example, and literally nobody knows their name.
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But we're driven, we're driven and taught right now to think that recognition and significance
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Like if you're raising your kids the right way, that's significant shit.
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Now you may never get a fucking award for being a great parent, but that's the most
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significant thing you can do in your whole entire life if you're a parent is to make
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sure that your kids grow up and they're, they're functioning, they're geared to, to do well
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They have the right integrity and they're ready to go kick ass and, and they know to do the
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A lot of people right now, you know, this is a little off topic, but I hear them complaining
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about society yet when they go home, you know, their kids, they don't fucking pay attention
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They put their kids on a fucking video game and they're drinking a martini chilling.
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And it's like, well, motherfucker, you are the problem.
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And, but they're bitching on fucking Facebook about society while their kids are sitting
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there on the video game for 12 hours playing Fortnite.
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If your kid can do the fucking Fortnite dance and every one of them perfect, you probably
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You know, like you're complaining about something while you're creating the problem and people
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True significance is making impacts on people one case at a time.
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People think, and I stress this when I talk to my companies or anybody's companies, people
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think that, that they have to become recognized and then they can be significant.
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Well, the truth is, is that if you want to be recognized, you've got to be significant
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on a million tiny little one-on-one situations.
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It's like asking for a raise before you even put in the work.
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You must have got some good deeds this morning, huh?
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No, I tell you, man, and for what it's worth, there are a number of people in the history
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of the world who became well-known and famous after they died.
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I know that you're, I might be remembering this wrong, but I thought you had told me one
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time that you were a big fan of the essay Self-Reliance by Henry David Thoreau.
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And I didn't realize this, but Thoreau was not a big deal when he was alive.
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But to my point, Emerson and Thoreau, you know, similar in their impact and kind of their
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But like, Van Gogh was not well-known when he was alive.
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And now his paintings go for like millions of dollars.
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Now, I don't really get into art or anything, but it is a perfect example.
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These people spend their whole lives like a hermit in a fucking cave, painting all these
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And they're putting their own spin on things and their own authentic style.
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Dude, if the average person could seriously just fucking develop their own authentic self,
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which most people never do their entire lives, dude, they would be...
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Those people, by default, would be successful just for being able to do that.
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One of my favorite quotes is saying Catherine of Siena says, if you are who you were meant to...
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I don't know if you'd ever trust your fucking quotes again.
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St. Catherine of Siena said, if you're who you're meant to be, you'll light the world on fire.
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You know, I'd like to get one that's candy corn.
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So you don't like whatever it is that the two share in common.
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But no, candy corn, it's like one of those, it's just, it's a whatever candy to me.
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Dude, it's one of those things where, like, if I eat one, I'll eat the whole fucking tray.
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Well, that's actually what happened to me the other day.
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It was my dad's favorite candy, so in October, I always, like, grab a bag.
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I don't normally eat it, but I literally ate the whole bag.
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I mean, I felt really good, like, in the short term.
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No, I didn't go to confession, but I went to the bathroom.
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But anyway, so basically, what we're saying is significance is not validated by names
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and numbers, by whether everybody knows your name, or whether you have a lot of followers.
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It's validated by the impact that you make, and the legacy that that impact is going to
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Dude, you know, I feel like that is such, I feel like that is not rocket science, it's
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no doubt, but I think people in today's day and age need to be reminded of that.
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Like, your social media following, it's not your impact.
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It's not rocket science, but here's the thing you have to understand is that these
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It's like, it's just, it takes awareness to not think like that because that's all we're
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Like, dude, you're getting, like, dude, I got, I get special privileges at like, like
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I said, at a restaurant or something because I got fucking followers on Instagram.
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Like, that's ridiculous, but I'm still going to take it.
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And like, you have, and by the way, just to point this out, I didn't have a million followers
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I started with fucking nothing and built that shit.
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You know, it's, it's something that people just lose sight of, you know?
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I just, I'm glad we're talking about this because I just see a lot of people out there
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and they look at somebody like you and you got a million followers and then they just
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And they're like, oh, I don't know if I'm really making an impact with my life or they get
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I want to be significant, but it's so easy how our minds make that a negative thing.
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All of a sudden it becomes something to stress about instead of just this noble aspiration.
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We get worried that, you know, it's like I posted about this the other day.
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I mean, just, you start getting later in life and you're like, oh crap, I haven't done
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I haven't transformed the world and it just becomes a source of stress instead of, instead
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of this really awesome drive to, to impact people, you know?
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People are just following the lead that they have.
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They're following the fucking quote unquote do-gooder guy on Instagram who's posting this
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fucking arbitrary bullshit memes about doing the right thing and this and that.
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But really, let's be, let's be honest, you know, living a life of significance and living
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a life that I would call a good life has to do with doing the right thing, treating people,
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It's not about, you know, leaving a heart comment on somebody's picture.
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It's about giving the fucking homeless guy who's digging through the fucking trash right
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in front of your face, 20 bucks so he could fucking eat.
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And, you know, and not saying, oh, well, I'm sure he's just going to go drink and blah,
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He gets wasted and it's the best day of his life.
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So that I could walk away and say, you know, I did the right thing.
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Whether he does the right thing with that or not.
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And that's probably why he's in the situation he's in.
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But the truth is, is a clear conscience is, I think, the most important part of living
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And this chasing recognition and aligning it with significance and the way people are
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And, you know, it just, it just wears on me personally.
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Like, I enjoy doing this podcast, which, by the way, we've been number one consistently
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for, like, the last two weeks, which is fucking awesome.
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But that's been three and a half years in the fucking making.
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To where we've, you know, solidified number one business podcast in the fucking world
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But that didn't come just because I wanted to be recognized.
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It came because you and I and the three of us and a number of other people have consistently
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worked hard to put shit out that helps people, that makes people think, that makes people
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I mean, dude, how many emails do we get about people or letters do we get?
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Dude, we get so many letters here, I can't even fucking open them all.
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And I mean, I don't, you know, you're going to clown on me for saying this, but I actually
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Like, dude, I have no idea how you keep up with the DMs the way you do, because even little
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me, I'm looking at my thing going, holy cow, I really want to try to respond to these
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But I've got a ton of them that I haven't responded to, and it's what for me, and I
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know it's true for you guys, the number one ranking, here's why that's significant, is
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because it means people are getting the content.
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It's not some bullshit fucking meme out there that says, live a proper life and you'll be
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But I'm not proud of, the recognition is cool, but I didn't fucking do this just to
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We did this because, and the same reason we do the children's books, the children's
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I lose fucking a lot of money doing those children's books.
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Like, dude, we do not make, we have not made a dollar on those children's books.
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But the truth is, is I feel like that's a way for me to give back to help parents that
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don't necessarily know how to teach their kids the right shit that they, you know, cause
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Like, you know, so we give them a tool and if we lose money, we lose money.
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It's like a, you know, it's a little thing, you know, it's a little middle finger to everybody
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But you're proud of it because we did it the right way.
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A clear conscience is better than a sense of significance.
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Um, and knowing that you did the right thing and being able to live with yourself-
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I was just in Denver and I get, you know, I usually get recognized pretty regularly anywhere
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And, uh, uh, you know, not like crazy, but like I'll get, you know, all the course of
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a day in Denver, I have three or four people come up to me and be like, dude, fuck, it's
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But dude, every time I meet one of these people, they're the coolest fucking people.
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Like the guy, the people who listen to this podcast on a regular basis are the most down
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to earth, regular, awesome, cool people, you know, but, and it's cool to meet them.
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Like I met a guy who's in the oil and gas business when I was in Denver and he was telling
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me about him and his wife and how they listen to the podcast together.
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And he was telling me about how it helped this business and all this shit.
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But the point is, is that you can't get to a point like that without, you know, the
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recognition doesn't come before the significance.
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And to be completely honest, the recognition isn't even important.
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And every single person listening to this podcast right now has a circle of people that they
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influence, whether it be one other person, whether it be two, you might be sitting there
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Nobody cares about what I have to say, but that's bullshit.
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The truth is a lot of people, a lot, you have the power to do good and influence people.
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It can start off as little bitty gestures, you know, and you're going to laugh when I
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say this, but like, let's say you're a waitress at a restaurant right now.
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And everybody's like, you know, no one cares about me.
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I'm just a little waitress, but dude, you could set an example real easy and to, and
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get people's respect just by doing the little things that other people aren't willing to
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Like you see trash on the floor, you pick it up, you know, take extra pride and everything
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that's going to cause people to start respecting you.
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And that's going to influence them to do better.
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And dude, as little as that sounds, that's the first step to being significant is taking
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A hundred percent, you know, within, within the group, you know, and, and, uh,
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um, you know, people think that, uh, you know, these people who have all this recognition,
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you know, that they just got there by accident, you know, and some of them did, some of them
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did, you know, you said Kim Kardashian, Kim Kardashian made a fucking sex tape.
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You could say, Oh, they did this and they did that.
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Well, the only reason anybody knows who the fucking Kardashians are in the first place
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I don't hate, I'm not hating at all, but sometimes we aren't blessed with fucking sex
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So we got to do other things, you know, and like the other things are this, you know, set
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an example for what's good, set an example for what's right, help people where you can,
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And when you make a character trait and a habit out of doing things that are significant to
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If you guys want the recognition, I'm not hating on that, dude.
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A lot of people will say, Oh, you know, that's the same guys who fucking are out there doing
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it for themselves will be the same ones to say, never do it for the recognition.
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Look, dude, I don't care if you do it for the recognition.
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Just understand that the easiest way to get it is to do the right fucking thing and to
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be a good person and set an example and to show that in every chance that you get and
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And the recognition comes as a by-product, you know what I mean?
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If you chase the significance and think that it's the same thing as recognition, you're
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We have a lot of people who want to be fucking famous for doing fucking nothing.
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And while they might have, you know, I mean, the truth is, is if you deleted fucking Instagram
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right now, how many of those motherfuckers would even matter?
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Like if Instagram disappeared right now, social media disappeared, how many of those people
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I mean, on a day-to-day basis, they wouldn't exercise any influence over us.
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So, you know, if you want to truly become recognized, it has to, I don't think it has
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to, but I think a good way to think about it would be, would I be significant if fucking
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Honestly, the only other thing I'll add is just kind of circle back to something that
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So most people have never heard of Brother Matthias Bootlier, but Brother Matthias Bootlier
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is the priest who taught a certain George Herman Ruth Jr. how to play baseball, and nobody heard
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of Matthias, but they sure as heck heard of Babe Ruth, right?
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Mordecai Ham is a guy that nobody's ever heard of, but at least in Christian circles, you might
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have heard of the guy who became a Christian under the influence of Mordecai Ham.
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And if you know anything about Billy Graham, if you're a Christian, you might not even because
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he's been a very famous person over the last hundred years.
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Nobody preached to more people in the history of the world than Billy Graham.
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And so I would say something that a friend of mine, his dad used to say to us all the time,
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you know, because you grow up in Christian circles and you always, you get this really
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sort of romantic epic notion about going to Africa and being a missionary or going to Russia
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And he used to say, listen, if you don't love your neighbor, if you don't care about your
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neighbor, you're not going to care about anybody else over the globe, right?
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So make it your point to impact the person right in front of you, to be significant to the
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And so that's what I would say is maybe you will be a brother of Matthias.
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Think about how you'd feel going to your deathbed, knowing that you impacted somebody so much that
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You know, we meet people every day that we can impact.
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And, you know, to your point, live with a clear conscience, focus on the people who are
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around you and don't be obsessed with recognition.