The Morality of Money, with Andy Frisella - MFCEO47
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1 hour and 1 minute
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193.2975
Summary
In this episode of the MFCEO Project, Pastor Vaughn and I discuss the concept of financial success and how it's not about having a lot of money or having a nice car or a nice house. It's about having the ability to take walks with your grandpa.
Transcript
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Hey guys, what's up? You're listening to the MFCEO Project. I'm Andy, I'm your host, and I am the motherfucking CEO.
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I'm here with my co-host, Vaughn Kohler, the pastor of Disaster. What's up, my brother?
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I'm doing a lot of speaking right now. I'm busy with my companies right now. My voice is getting in shape.
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I wonder if you have vocal nodules. Do you know what that is?
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Yeah, I just think it's just worn out, man. I'm talking seven, eight, nine hours a day.
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So it's just, you know, it comes with the territory.
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It does. It's a good sign. It says your vocal cords are in demand.
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Yeah, yeah, man. It's, you know, it could be worse.
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So, yeah, man, you know, I don't really have a question of the day this time. I've got more of like a thought of the day.
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I read something on the internet last night, and it just pissed me off.
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I read it from a person, and I'm not going to say his name because I don't want to just blatantly call him out,
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but somebody who I know personally who's like trying to become a speaker and a motivational type speaker.
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And the post was basically geared towards criticizing people who look at success as, you know, material things,
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like as money or as cars or a big house or this or that or whatever,
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and saying, you know, that that's not success and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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It was just very, very, very critical of anybody who desires anything that's material.
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And, you know, it really irritated the shit out of me because I feel like that's the mentality that is being taught now.
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That's the cool thing that's being shown now, and I felt like it was something that, you know,
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if a 15 or 16 or 17-year-old kid reads, they're going to say, well, you know, fuck, dude.
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I guess it's bad for me to want certain things or want this or that.
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And, you know, I just wanted to come out, and I did a Snap story on this and a Periscope on this too.
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You know, there is nothing wrong with wanting material things.
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There's nothing wrong with having a big bank account.
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And what really bothers me about people that try to villainize this success, and I agree,
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Success is an all-encompassing, moving target of development and, you know, self-actualization,
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No one has ever gotten to a physical place in life that is quote-unquote success.
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And it is just an all-encompassing, moving place that you're trying to get to.
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And when people try to define it as it's not this, it's not that,
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and especially whenever they attack the material-type situations,
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it really fucking irritates me because I feel like that makes people feel bad
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And there's nothing wrong with wanting those things, you know?
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And then what these people do, too, is they villainize you for wanting those things
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and then try to attach, like, there's moral issues with you, you know, that they don't have.
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Like, this particular person was like, you know, I would rather speak to 25 people than 2,500
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You know, I would rather take walks with my grandpa than I would, you know, to make blah, blah, blah.
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Well, what makes you think that people that fucking make money don't take walks with their grandpa?
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And it irritated me that somebody who has portrayed themselves as a success guru
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is out there teaching people that, you know, it's not okay to desire whatever it is they fucking desire.
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Dude, I'm not going to tell you what your goals are, and you're not going to tell me what my goals are.
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But I know for fucking sure that one thing is for real sure.
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You can't pour anything out of an empty cup, you know?
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And if you don't take care of yourself, and you don't have money in the bank,
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and you don't have the resources yourself, how the fuck are you going to take care of anybody?
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You know, they try to like, they're trying to send the message of, it's not all about money.
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But you need to be very careful about how you relay that information,
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because a lot of people just try to attach these evil characteristics of people to that.
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And when in reality, to you 16, 17, 18-year-old guys and girls listening,
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those people are usually making excuses for the lack of progress that they have had so far.
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So instead of saying, yeah, I want to do this, this, and this,
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it's easier for them to say, you know what, I'm right where I want to be.
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And it's safe, and it's cozy, and it's something that makes them feel good.
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And I felt like it was irresponsible for that message to be put out from someone
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My take on this is that I think people make a huge illogical leap all the time.
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They look at the people in the world who are rich and abuse that
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and use it to pull people down, the Stan Kroenke's of the world,
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the corrupted capitalists of the world, and they say,
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oh, I don't want to be that guy, so I'm going to be the exact opposite.
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Instead of saying, well, that guy has a ton of money and uses it for evil.
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There's evil fucking people that are poor, and there's evil people that are rich.
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Money does not make you have certain characteristics.
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So instead of wanting to be the opposite of that guy,
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they should say, I also want to be rich and use it for good.
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I had the same conversation with a kid on Instagram last night going back and forth
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because he wrote, and this is like, I want to do a whole podcast on this,
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like the morality of money because let's be fucking real, okay?
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You, right now, listening to this, are not making money unless you're providing something
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of value that's solving a fucking problem that people have, which in case you,
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if you are making money and you're not doing that, it's going to be short-lived, okay?
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So the only way to make sustainable long-term income is to do things that are actually morally
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correct by solving people's problems, helping them find solutions, offering things that
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help people do the fucking shit they want to do.
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So when people try to attach this immoral, greedy, materialistic, selfish labels on people
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that have money, it really bothers me because the reality of making money is actually in
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Man, so how the fuck do you come up with these, like, where does this come from?
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Like, it comes from these stereotypes and everybody's always got an excuse, right?
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Everybody always has an excuse as to why they aren't where they want to be.
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And a lot of people can't admit that they aren't where they want to be because they're prideful.
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And they say, you know, instead of saying, hey, I'm not where I want to be, you know,
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I should have made these decisions when I was younger and I'm willing to make these different
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decisions now so that I can get where I want to be in 10 years from now, okay?
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Instead of doing that and being a fucking man and taking responsibility for your life,
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instead, they sit down, like I say, on the barstool on Tuesday afternoon and talk about
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how so-and-so fucked them and this opportunity fucked them and this person screwed them over
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and on and on and on and on and on about the world conspiring against them to be an average
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And they tell you that they love being average and I'm happy where I'm at and I'm happy driving
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a fucking regular car and living in a regular house and working a regular job and working
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But they forgot they were just bitching about how the world fucked them over.
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So if the world fucked you over, but you're happy where you are, it can't be both ways.
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So it's funny because these people, these young, young, the reason I want to hit this is
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because young people are so, the society is so in general right now for the last 10 years
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against people being financially successful that it's like become uncool.
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And you listening, you're 17, 18, 19, 20 years old.
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You've been raised in an era that is not America.
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People fucking immigrate here from all over the world so that they can have the opportunities
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that these motherfuckers out here in, you know, delusional fucking space are telling people
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Being cool is going out, fulfilling your potential, going out and making enough money to help your
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charity causes, going out and having enough money to help your family, going out and having
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enough money to do the things that you want to do, to go on vacations, to enjoy your life,
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to see things, you know, maybe you don't like fucking Lamborghinis.
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And the point is that nobody should be telling somebody that this goal or that goal or this
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goal is immoral or wrong because we all have different goals, but the word goals all represents
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So like your goals are different and we had this discussion, your goals are different
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But the target of my goal is still the same for both of us.
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Those principles are going to be in play and for you to get where you want to go and for
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me to get where I want to go, we're going to have to do the same shit.
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And I get so upset and irritated and frustrated with the way the society fucks with people's
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minds, you know, that like, dude, if you post a picture of a fucking Lamborghini, you know,
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like, let's say a young kid, he's 17 years old and he says, Oh fuck, dude, I want to drive
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in a Lamborghini because, you know, fucking Andy's driving one.
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And the fucking three first comments are like, they're either a, yeah, right.
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Or B it's like, why the fuck would you want that?
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Realize the reason people attack those goals is because they aren't their goals and they
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automatically, they're not thinking past their viewpoint.
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And I want you listening right now to understand, I don't care if your goal is to make a trillion
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fucking dollars and cash it all in and swim naked in it the rest of your fucking life.
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Because what it does is that there's other people out there that will either be inspired
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And even the people who hate it will benefit because they'll say this, well, you know what?
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I'm going to go out and make a bunch of fucking money and show this motherfucker how to do it
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And dude, people who villainize it and talk shit and say this fucking money is and their
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money isn't everything, but it's fucking important.
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Could you use an extra fucking million dollars, dude?
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So let me throw this out there because you obviously feel very passionate about it.
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And so I'm going to, I'm going to play my role here and I'm going to back us up a little
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Let's just start basic presuppositions because of course we have the asterisk holes out there.
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Are materialistic things really what life is all about?
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So with that said, I want to back up because I love your connection to, to popular culture
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in America right now and how it's not cool to make money.
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It's not cool to, you know, to, to want to be materially successful.
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So let me ask you this because true or false, is this, do you think this is the case?
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I mean, I don't want to get too into politics, but let's talk about the rise of Bernie Sanders.
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I don't know how much you know about him, but his, I mean, I've, I've seen, I've seen the
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jokes and you know, look, man, you know, well, let me throw this out.
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He's so far away from what I fucking even would like.
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I can't, dude, I cannot even pay attention to people like that because they make me angry.
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Well, what's interesting about his followers and they're resonating.
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There's a, there's a pretty large group of people that are resonating with him.
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I mean, he wants to throw things, you know, he wants a lot of giveaways, a lot of stuff
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for free, increased government spending, increased government programs, all that stuff.
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But ultimately what it comes down to it is my perception of his, of his followers is
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And my thing is, what is your whole take on this idea that to be kind and compassionate,
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you don't care about money, you throw things at people, but, but because, you know, and
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again, I want to be clear, our, our podcast, and I know you feel about this.
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We're not 100% endorsing Donald Trump, but the knock on Trump by people that hate him
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So, so where, I mean, what are your thoughts on that?
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Let's fucking, let's look at this from a fucking realistic standpoint.
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Look, I'm, I look, I'm not going to sit here and fucking say, Oh, Donald Trump, blah, blah,
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I think out of all the shit candidates that we have, he's the best one.
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And it's not because he's Republican or anything.
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And we're, we're in a situation where that's what we fucking need.
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So, and all you guys are going to write in and fucking tell me I'm wrong, whatever.
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Andy, you know, it's not about how much money you give away.
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I mean, you know, it's not about the fucking $500,000 that you give to your high school.
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It's about the time, you know, think about going out there and putting your hands in the
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Listen, it's a romantic idea that people fucking say when they don't have any money.
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And I love you guys who are giving, even when you don't have the money to give, because
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A lot of people are not going to hear what you just said just now.
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That you love the guys, those of you who do not have a lot of money.
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If you're that fucking stupid and you can't get that, then that's not my problem.
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But when we get down to it and we look at like, what really has an impact, let's look
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at Bernie Sanders, who I know fucking nothing about, by the way.
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So this fact, this, this little, what I'm about to say could be wrong, but I'm assuming,
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all right, I'm assuming that Bernie Sanders does not give or have access to the sort of
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Because I read somewhere that he was actually very, very middle class.
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I mean, I think it's very fair to say he does not have as much money as the Donald.
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And I'm not an expert on Bernie Sanders by any means.
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And I'm not really interested in learning about him at all because it's so far outside
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Let's just say, let's just say Bernie is a middle class dude.
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Well, depends on how you answer that question, right?
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Maybe Bernie Sanders goes down to his local food shelter every Thanksgiving and every Christmas
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A lot of the guys here at First Form, our company, donate tons and tons and tons of time
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We had Sean Montgomery, a good friend of our company, just adopted a highway in our name
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I mean, it's just there are tons of shit that we do.
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We do a lot for animal shelters because we're all animal people.
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And then let's say Donald Trump doesn't do that.
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But instead, he writes a $10 million check to whatever the same charity is that Bernie's
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And doesn't go down and feed the people himself.
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No, I don't think it's an argument at all because the argument is you're giving what
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Well, I would guess the investment of the money, which supports a lot of other things.
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And you're going to have people now say, well, it depends on how much percentage goes to administration
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Assuming that you pay attention to how the money is fucking used.
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$10 million is going to go a lot fucking further than you going down and scooping out fucking
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But people will argue that and they'll get mad about it and they'll say, well, that's
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Your ability to write that check is fucking easy.
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So let me use an example and you tell me if this is a good illustration of what you're
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Can we just say it's easy to give away something that's not yours and you don't have to pay for it?
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It's easy to look at somebody else's fucking money and say, it's easy to give that away.
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Well, and what I'm talking about is like Bernie's like, oh, this should be free.
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Like, free healthcare, free this, free that, free blah, blah, blah.
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I mean, we're getting off topic here, but motherfucker, that shit ain't free.
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So obviously it's known to the listeners of this podcast that I used to be a pastor.
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One of my favorite singers was a Christian guy named Rich Mullins.
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His brother's name is Dave Mullins, but I'm pretty sure it's not the same guy.
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And he was from a small town in Indiana, and he had a huge respect for his dad.
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So one day after he had had several years of huge success and was making pretty good money as
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a singer, he said to his dad, yeah, dad, I'm going to, for now on, I'm not going to take
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I'm going to go live on a reservation and minister to people, and it's going to be great.
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It's going to be, I'm going to be really committed to God's work and, you know, among
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And he was totally floored by his dad's response.
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His dad was this farmer, real practical and everything.
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He said, Rich, if you really want to help the poor, make all the money you can.
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Go live on that, that mission, you know, the, the reservation or whatever, but make
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all the money you can and invest that money in their lives and spreading the wealth.
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It's, it's easy to pick somebody apart when you don't like them.
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So like, that's what happens is people, people who are of average level, and this is where
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People who are of average mindset, average income, average fucking lifestyle point the
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And this has nothing to do with him being president, by the way.
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I'm using him as an example because he's rich as fuck.
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They point the finger at Donald and they say, oh, you know what?
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And they come up with all these things that they attach to him because they don't like
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And then what they say, then what it is, the backtrack to that is, well, you know, because
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I don't have money, I'm the opposite of all those core values that I just attached to
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That's an excellent point because Michael Bloomberg.
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That's how people justify Vaughn their fucking goodness.
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Well, you know, Jesus was a carpenter and he was, he was all about the poor and blah,
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How many fucking poor people have you helped making 30 fucking thousand dollars a year versus
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Because if you haven't thought about that, you ain't fucking thinking.
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So whenever you say, oh, you know, I don't want to make money because I don't want to
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Why don't you instead go out and make money and then just be a different way to set an
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If you hate it that much, if you fucking hate that that much, then go out, make your
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money because it's so easy because it was so easy and they were so lucky, right?
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So go out and do that and then give it away and show everybody how fucking great and moral
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If you don't like the way quote unquote rich people do shit, then be the guy who fucking
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But the reality is, is that rich people are already doing that shit and people just don't
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When your point about them being critical of Donald's money because they don't like
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him is huge because you have people like George Soros, you have Michael Bloomberg.
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They're committed to taking away gun rights and all that.
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It's because the people in positions of power in the media, it's not that Donald has money.
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They don't like him because they, I don't even think it's what you said.
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I think what it is is they just don't like him.
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Dude, anybody who has a voice and uses it, there's going to, like I talk about all the
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time in branding, when we talk about branding, there's going to be 50% of the people that
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Your job is to take the 50% that like you and make them love you.
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And that's why the 50% and when you make that 50% love you, that automatic that like
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And so like, you know, but this isn't just exclusive to Trump.
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This goes into anybody who makes anything and shows any kind of like fucking, you know,
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Louis that I'm great friends with that make a lot fucking more money than I do.
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Love cars, love cars, but instead of buying their own car, they come to my house and look
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And I'm like, you know, I'm not going to name the dude's name.
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He's a very good friend of mine, but I'm like, bro, what are you doing?
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And he's like, well, you know, people are going to, I'm like, why the fuck do you care
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what people are going to, you know what I mean?
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And that's why this message is important to me because material things can be very good
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You know, they can help you drive yourself to do things that you would ordinarily just
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When I was a kid, you know, and I saw my first Lamborghini, I was hooked on Lamborghinis
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And if it, if it wasn't for that, that external prize that I love and I'm passionate about,
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I don't know that I'd be here and neither would the hundred people that I employ, you
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know, neither would the 800 outside reps that we employ.
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You know, so I don't like it whenever people attack those sort of things, because I think
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it's wrong to take somebody's motivation and look, look, let's say like, dude, my, my motivation
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is to make a million dollars so I can start a fucking concentration camp.
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You know, but owning a fucking Bentley or whatever, that sounds wrong with that.
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Truly successful people root for other successful people.
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Like that post you, you posted the other day about Jason in his car.
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You know, but there, but you know, people say shit like, I mean, I had a guy, I had,
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I had the Ford GT out on Saturday and I had a guy come up.
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And like, dude, this is not an attack on people who work, you know?
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You know, you don't know what it's like to fucking get your hands dirty.
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Dude, what the fuck do you think I got the money to start this company?
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I started this company so I wouldn't have to fucking do that every day.
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It's not that I don't know how or I'm unwilling.
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Do you think it's only a matter of just everybody has a right to choose, you know, how they want to spend their money?
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Like, for instance, does the guy who wants to buy a huge – let's say there's two guys.
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One guy wants to buy a huge mansion simply because he wants to show it off.
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And the other guy wants to buy a huge mansion because he's like, dude, I really like showing hospitality to people.
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I want to have, like, parties and just celebrate friendship.
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Because the guy that says, oh, I'm just buying it because I want to be a host is fucking lying.
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At least the guy who says, oh, I bought it because I wanted to show off is fucking honest.
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The second guy's got a little more tact than the first guy, you know?
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Some kid who's fucking 17-year-old is going to see the picture of your house on Instagram and say, fuck.
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He's going to have to create a solution to some sort of problem in order to make money to get the house that he wants to get.
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So all the shit that he has to do to get that house is good, you know?
00:30:01.760
Oh, he's selling drugs or he's this or he's that.
00:30:07.240
St. Louis, Missouri is far from the fucking epicenter of success in the United States.
00:30:14.480
We could spend all day driving through the rich neighborhoods of St. Louis, couldn't we?
00:30:21.640
And, dude, what that tells me is success is in abundance.
00:30:26.780
There's a lot more people out there that are very successful than you fucking realize.
00:30:30.380
And when, you know, when you take a kid who is a middle class, lower class, you know, kid and you inspire him because your house is big to go out and do all this other shit, what is wrong with that?
00:30:48.060
And I would argue it's your fucking duty to society to inspire other people through your own success, you know?
00:30:57.040
But, dude, it's, you know, you guys who are younger, listen to this.
00:31:03.220
They're going to tell you, hey, man, you don't need that.
00:31:07.420
And it's always like, it's always the same character type of dude, too.
00:31:10.980
It's like this, or girl, it's like this, they fucking talk to you like they're enlightened.
00:31:16.460
Like, they know some shit you don't fucking know.
00:31:18.740
And it's like, you know, they probably got, like, Grateful Dead sticker on their fucking car, you know, and they smoke a lot of weed.
00:31:25.660
It's always the same type of dude, like the enlightened dude.
00:31:33.380
And then that's the same guy that once you start making it, he's fucking, you know, being like, hey, man, can I borrow 500 books?
00:31:40.680
So you shared a story, and I don't remember if it was on Periscope or it might have been on Snapchat.
00:31:49.260
You talked about, like, before you and Chris made a ton of money, somebody you knew got sick, and Chris gave them $100.
00:31:56.060
And at the time, that was, like, $10,000 for Chris.
00:31:58.700
And the point that I want to make, and I'm curious what you think about this, is that I think people are the same whether they have $100 in the bank or whether they have a million bucks.
00:32:15.320
And the fact that he was more – got a lot more money and was able to do that, I guess what I'm trying to say is I think people –
00:32:28.560
And my thought – the reason I bring that up is because I think there are people who have, like, you know, $100 in their bank account.
00:32:36.080
And they're looking at you guys saying, well, you guys should be more generous.
00:32:39.020
And my question to them is, well, how generous are you with the $100 that you have?
00:32:43.520
Like, are you just saying, well, it's the rich people that should be generous, or are you taking personal responsibility?
00:32:50.780
It's okay for me to keep my money, but, you know, but you should be giving it away because you have so much.
00:32:58.860
You know, actually, I think everybody should be giving money, and I think it should be relative.
00:33:02.900
And I think if you've got $500 and you give away $100, you know, that's fucking – that's an amazing thing for you to do.
00:33:12.380
And I think if you've got $500 million, you should give away fucking – you should give away $100 million.
00:33:23.920
It shouldn't be the government's job to fucking legislate that giving.
00:33:28.160
But, I mean, I do think – you know, and I think, dude, I think generally – and I don't know if it's just the people I know or what,
00:33:35.620
but generally the people I know who have the most money, they are far more generous, you know, than people assume.
00:33:46.760
You know, I want to tie it together, what I call the morality of money.
00:33:59.320
Making money and being successful is a great, great thing.
00:34:11.300
For the last 75 years, because the way advertising was set up and the companies with the most money could pay to sell products on the radio, on TV, on the newspaper,
00:34:31.060
And what happened was there was – during that time, there was no feedback.
00:34:35.020
There was no way for us to leave a review on Amazon and Angie's List on all these other things that we can get on social media.
00:34:41.380
And so, what happened, and this is why you're taught, why you were probably taught that money was bad,
00:34:48.400
is that these big companies got really fucking greedy and they started advertising products in an immoral way,
00:34:55.520
either advertising a product that would work a certain way that didn't work a certain way,
00:34:59.080
or advertising a product that was not what they claimed it to be.
00:35:06.900
Man, these big companies, they fuck everybody, they stick everybody, you know, in the ass and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:35:15.080
And then they're like, dude, everybody who makes money is a fucking crook.
00:35:19.480
And that's where that fucking mentality comes from.
00:35:21.980
But you have to realize that we are in a different era now.
00:35:26.060
If you're a guy that owns a business or a girl that owns a business and you're selling something that isn't what it claims to be,
00:35:35.080
You are going to get a million posts on the internet.
00:35:38.500
You're going to get raped on the fucking social media.
00:35:41.540
You're going to have zero star reviews on Amazon and Angie's list.
00:35:48.680
So in order to make money in this era, you have to have a product that solves a legitimate problem.
00:35:55.140
You have to have a product that offers a solution to these problems.
00:36:01.520
And when I say help people, I'm not talking about your grandma fucking walking across the street.
00:36:05.600
I'm talking about why do you buy a fucking product?
00:36:11.780
Oh, I don't buy fucking, what do I get out of Air Jordans?
00:36:19.500
What do I get out of fucking, you know, my whatever the fucking thing of the day is?
00:36:37.380
And if you're not doing that effectively in today's era, you cannot make money.
00:36:45.400
The morality of that is actually the opposite of what most people think about money.
00:36:57.620
But it's much harder nowadays than it was for the last 75 years pre-2000.
00:37:05.080
So when people talk about this morality of money, it's because the older generations don't understand
00:37:11.940
what's going on right now in the business world and how money is made and how you have
00:37:18.160
to legitimately be legit, you know, to solve something.
00:37:22.780
And when money is made that way and you make a lot of money, good for you.
00:37:29.100
You didn't screw anybody because if you did, you wouldn't have made the money.
00:37:32.820
I mean, dude, let me, let me ask you, you know, you're old enough to remember pre-internet
00:37:37.820
If we bought something off, uh, you know, a store or whatever, like let's say, for example,
00:37:47.820
The Yeti cooler keeps your eyes for fucking one year, whatever the fuck it is.
00:37:51.760
Like something crazy, you know, and you bought the Yeti cooler and the Yeti cooler kept your
00:37:56.780
eyes for one day instead of one year, like it claims, right?
00:38:00.120
How long would it take you 20 years ago to tell everybody you know about that?
00:38:05.580
No email, no cell phone, no text, no fucking social media, no internet.
00:38:11.480
And by, by, you're going to go on your rotary phone and fucking do, do, do, do, do, do,
00:38:16.240
do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do,
00:38:21.360
and call everybody up and say, motherfucker, this Yeti cooler, man, this shit sucks.
00:38:33.460
Yeti does fucking keep eyes for its ridiculous claim.
00:38:37.080
And now they've fucking blown up because it's incredible.
00:38:44.100
Like, dude, when I first heard the Yeti thing, Chris, my business partner here in the office
00:38:50.120
There's a dude who keeps your ice in your cup for like two days.
00:38:54.440
And dude, and I, when I fucking saw it, I was amazed.
00:39:01.220
And then, and then every single person I know knows, and then the brand grows and that's
00:39:14.480
I mean, dude, you know, you couldn't make arguments, right?
00:39:16.540
Like, oh, dude, who fucking has a porn site or dude who has, you know, uh, this or that,
00:39:23.800
It's, you know, that's, they're still solving a fucking problem.
00:39:27.580
But, but what I'm talking about here is straight up, like most, most ways to make money these
00:39:37.040
And most people who have money have made their money in a legitimate fashion of providing
00:39:41.800
value, solving problems, helping people find solutions in their problems.
00:39:46.820
So like when you fucking like criticize them, you know, and say, oh, they're evil.
00:39:52.740
Dude, those, those kinds of comments are totally off base and it makes you look stupid because
00:39:57.160
it makes you look, it makes you, it exposes how ignorant you really are about how things
00:40:05.780
So, so that's, first of all, you have to do the right thing to make money.
00:40:13.320
Second of all, if you don't do the right thing, okay, everybody's going to fucking know.
00:40:26.200
So, so the way that I would conceive of it and you and I probably have different terms that
00:40:32.900
I mean, being the former pastor, I think of the passage in the Bible that says, whatsoever
00:40:44.840
But what, to me, what the modern day world and social media and everything does is it
00:40:49.340
accelerates that, what you call the process of karma.
00:40:52.760
What used to take a lifetime to reap in terms of consequences now takes five minutes.
00:40:58.400
And that's also why, and we have a whole nother issue coming up down the pipe on social media,
00:41:02.340
but that's also why social media is such an incredible tool.
00:41:05.660
And if you do the right thing and you have an amazing product and you have something that
00:41:10.480
really makes people say, wow, you could really cut most of that time off the, off the success
00:41:16.600
curve because of the tools that we have available.
00:41:20.840
So when, you know, people, you know, attack money, you know, what they're really attacking
00:41:29.820
is people who have identified solutions to problems and put them in play and execute
00:41:34.200
them and their little attacks make no fucking sense.
00:41:38.060
You know, so if you're fucking 17, 18, 19 years old and you say you want a fucking Lamborghini,
00:41:43.700
you know, you're going to have to do a lot of good to fucking afford that.
00:41:51.640
Like, so, so to me, like when I see fucking successful things or material things, I don't
00:41:57.280
look at them as, as, you know, a indicator or a representation of evil.
00:42:04.680
I look at them as an indicator or a representation of somebody who has dedicated a lot of their
00:42:12.860
You know, and I, how many people, I mean, how many people honestly look at that stuff like
00:42:16.420
I don't think most do probably not a lot because we're always, I think we're always, particularly
00:42:22.680
in our culture and with our media, we're always being shown the bad examples, right?
00:42:28.580
We're being shown the guys who, you know, are driving their employees into ground and
00:42:33.160
they're, they're out driving their yacht and whatever.
00:42:40.960
So that's a bad example of how not to use your money.
00:42:42.840
I don't think that happens as near as much as what people think, because here's the fucking
00:42:47.660
If you drive your employees into the ground and you pay them shit and you don't do anything
00:42:51.160
for them, you're not going to be able to get them to produce the amount of shit that
00:43:01.220
They're not going to be the driving force behind your sales that, that you need them
00:43:10.880
So, you know, I, I would say, are there examples?
00:43:15.000
But those examples, the examples that you're saying, those guys are, unless, you know,
00:43:20.420
unless they're like having like little kids do labor in fucking Asia.
00:43:24.540
Those people are going to have issues move, keeping that system going forward because there's
00:43:30.500
too many companies out there that value their employees, pay their employees a fair wage
00:43:34.560
and offer the growth that people are looking for.
00:43:37.480
But in some ways, even bringing those, I mean, I'm going to catch myself here.
00:43:40.940
In some ways, even bring the, bringing up those examples of people who, who may or may
00:43:50.260
You can take personal responsibility, earn all the money you can possibly earn and use it.
00:43:57.940
If you're that guy, people are going to say the same shit about you.
00:44:01.480
They're going to say, oh, he's fucking blah, blah, blah.
00:44:04.240
Oh, he's a, this, that, and the other, you know, they're going to say the same shit.
00:44:08.720
It's just the way people are about money and they don't look at it the right way, which
00:44:16.880
You know, you know, so I keep saying this, if you're a young man, a young woman and you've
00:44:21.740
got goals good for you, you know what I'm saying?
00:44:25.400
Don't let anybody ever fucking tell you ever there's something wrong with any of your goals.
00:44:31.040
Just because your goals aren't their goals doesn't mean they're wrong.
00:44:34.080
And what you'll find, and what I think is very interesting is that when people try to like
00:44:39.700
put their arm around these young people and like tell them like, oh, you know, you need
00:44:47.100
Look at the advice they're giving and then look at their life.
00:44:50.160
And what you'll find is that they're actually giving you advice to make you more like them.
00:44:56.940
And that's people generally think the way that they live is the quote unquote right way.
00:45:03.400
And so they put their arm around people and they say, you know, Hey, be like me.
00:45:09.000
And unless you want to be like them, when you look at their life, don't fucking take their
00:45:15.000
You know, um, I had a guidance counselor in high school that was not very supportive of my
00:45:23.100
And, uh, I fucking, you know, I, I knew I wanted to be an entrepreneur, you know, and
00:45:28.860
I knew I wanted to make a lot of fucking money.
00:45:30.180
And when you told him that at a Christian high school, um, it wasn't received very well.
00:45:34.900
It was like, oh, you know, that's kind of for other people, you know, like that's, you
00:45:38.800
know, that's for like, that's for like people that go to like Duke and people, that's exact
00:45:43.580
That's for people that go to like Duke and like Harvard.
00:45:46.380
And I'm like, and now I'm like, dude, people that go to fucking Duke and Harvard end up
00:45:52.760
Like, dude, you're a high paid something, but you're not working for yourself.
00:45:56.580
You know, the reality is, is most entrepreneurs I know are fucking C students that barely
00:46:01.340
could make it through school because all they dreamed about was other shit.
00:46:05.080
You know, I mean, they dream about doing this or that or this, and they're breaking the
00:46:10.280
rules and they have this certain thing about them that like, you know, they want to deconstruct
00:46:15.520
Like they take apart their parents' tools, you see how they work and piss their dad off.
00:46:25.620
You know, I think there's, I think the morality issue when it comes to money is very skewed in
00:46:33.700
Um, I think that most people don't understand it.
00:46:36.140
I think that most people don't want to understand it because they want to justify their place
00:46:40.040
in this world as an average earning human being.
00:46:43.880
You know, when, when you could justify where you are, it's very easy to say, you know what?
00:46:50.680
You know, I don't have to worry about blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:46:53.860
Like I said, just like they can't tell you your goal, we shouldn't tell them their goals.
00:46:59.100
I put this information out here, not because I'm trying to convince everybody that they
00:47:04.080
I put this information out for the motherfuckers that want to be right.
00:47:06.820
You know, I don't drive a Lamborghini to like, or a Rolls Royce or whatever the fuck I'm
00:47:12.040
driving to convince people that's the right thing.
00:47:16.420
But for the people that want to do that shit, I'm probably a good guy to fucking keep an
00:47:23.520
So, you know, just because somebody has different goals than you, no matter what, no matter if
00:47:28.460
it's to make a trillion dollars and no matter if it's to make 30,000 or fucking no money,
00:47:32.400
maybe their dream is to live off the grid with no fucking money.
00:47:36.260
And I know people who've done that and I think it's badass.
00:47:45.520
And this goes for you motherfuckers to listen to this that have high ambitions and high goals
00:47:51.640
Don't judge these other people for the goals they have, because that makes you just as
00:47:59.280
So I get defensive a little bit because I feel like we're always attacked.
00:48:03.980
People that have high ambitions for, like, money because they have big plans for what
00:48:08.300
they want to do with it are attacked by the other people.
00:48:13.440
And as much as that annoys me, it's still not right to attack them back.
00:48:19.760
I will say that the reality of it from the thousands and thousands and thousands of emails
00:48:25.960
that I've gotten over the years is that most of the people I've dealt with that have emailed
00:48:42.300
And I'm going to say, well, you don't think money is important?
00:48:46.380
And those people almost always, I come to find out that they have limited themselves
00:48:56.580
So that's why I say, like, when I say quote unquote average, I'm not attacking them.
00:49:01.760
I'm just saying the truth from what my experience has been.
00:49:05.800
You know, these people are unhappy with where they are, which is why they fucking attack
00:49:12.800
One is, and I don't know how directly relevant, but I think it applies.
00:49:16.700
So I just finished helping another client complete a book project.
00:49:22.440
And he's the president of a local healthcare system.
00:49:27.140
And in the course of doing that book, I had to research the founders of the healthcare
00:49:32.240
And it was started originally by a woman who was a nun, basically.
00:49:35.400
And I mean, if you would look at this woman, she, you know, she's the stereotypical, and I
00:49:39.520
mean this in a positive way, she's the sweet little lady who cares about people.
00:50:13.580
That's the one thing about working with Gary I picked up on about not editing it.
00:50:19.780
I had to fucking get my, I had to get my fat burners in, man.
00:50:29.880
I'm fucking doing a first form transformation challenge.
00:50:39.540
So anyway, this, this, this woman is, you know, the stereotypical, sweet, nice, none committed
00:50:47.260
But as, but as, but as, but as, as I was reading over her original writings, it was amazing
00:50:53.580
to me and Tyler's bringing in the commanders right now.
00:50:58.120
It was amazing to me how many things that she said about, listen, if this ministry is going
00:51:03.020
to go anywhere, if it's going to really help people, we have to be practically minded.
00:51:07.740
We have to encourage all of our rich friends to give their money generously and to do everything
00:51:18.460
Well, and my answer to this, and I, and I know, I know Mr. Aster Cole out there is going
00:51:22.360
to, going to take issue with, well, yeah, but you don't know how they use this and this
00:51:26.740
The point is that that ministry, which is still regarded as a ministry now is a billion
00:51:31.660
dollar company that serves thousands and thousands of people every day.
00:51:40.140
So it's, it's, it's what I, for me, I mean, you can drive home whatever point you want.
00:51:44.720
For me, the point that I want people to take out of this is it's not an either or guys.
00:51:51.760
You can be good and you can make money and you can use it for good purposes.
00:51:55.260
The other thing I want to do is just throw this out for people to think.
00:51:59.120
So Jesus told the parable of three people who all were given a certain amount of money
00:52:05.320
And at the end, the person that Jesus said was the guy that actually was the good, good
00:52:10.380
guy in the story was the guy that had, was given the most money and then made the most
00:52:17.280
In other words, the person who was the best steward and made the highest possible revenue.
00:52:23.060
The bad guy was the guy who was given the money and just sat on it and did nothing.
00:52:26.980
So literally for those people who think they're all spiritual, you literally have Jesus Christ
00:52:32.500
himself who has told the story basically saying, if you want to be good, be a good steward of
00:52:36.720
your money, your talents, all that you've been given, make more of it.
00:52:43.640
It's a social obligation that you have, not just to yourself, but to your wife or your
00:52:51.000
husband or your kids or your neighbor's kids or everybody you have and come in contact with
00:52:57.420
for them to be inspired by the amount of success that you've created so that they could go out
00:53:08.660
So not only do you have to fucking make money the moral way by doing the right thing, but
00:53:16.200
This is why I call it the morality of money is that you're obligated to do that, you know?
00:53:23.560
And if you want to argue that all you want, how about this?
00:53:26.320
How about you, um, let's take, if a deceased soldier could come back to life and look you
00:53:32.240
in the eye and say, Hey, what are you doing with your life?
00:53:35.720
Would you feel proud or ashamed with what you told them?
00:53:39.480
That's a very tough question for everybody to ask.
00:53:43.100
And like, do people don't think about it like that?
00:53:44.820
How many millions of people have fucking sacrificed for you to have the opportunity that you choose
00:53:50.780
to spend instead of, you know, doing the best you can and making the most money that you
00:53:57.100
choose to spend hiding in a fucking turtle shell, pointing the finger at everybody else
00:54:02.560
When in reality, you're the one that's not out there doing the shit and honoring those
00:54:09.020
So, I mean, dude, we could pick this apart, right?
00:54:12.840
And people who are listening to this, who believe that money is bad, I'm sure they're going to
00:54:17.780
But, you know, you're also never going to have any money thinking that, you know, people
00:54:23.120
because I had this kid yesterday, he was telling me about how, you know, he loves, uh, you know,
00:54:29.560
he wants to make millions of dollars so that he could help blah, blah, blah.
00:54:33.700
But most people that make money are shitty and evil and blah, blah.
00:54:36.800
I'm like, dude, if that's what you think, you're not going to attract money into your life.
00:54:43.180
Because for you to make money, you're going to have to also associate with some of these people
00:54:47.160
that you think are pieces of shit and they're not going to fucking help you.
00:54:50.460
They're not going to, they're not going to boost you up.
00:54:52.500
They're not going to, you know, go out on a limb to make a phone call for you or do whatever,
00:54:59.280
For me, it comes down to something you say all the time.
00:55:04.020
It is success is realizing your own true potential.
00:55:07.400
And for me, I, the reason I'm 100% in favor of what you're saying is that you're not over
00:55:15.960
No, what you're saying, it's all about being who you were supposed to be, who you were meant
00:55:25.020
And what's even worse than not doing that is pointing at somebody who's 14, 15, 16, 17,
00:55:30.380
18 years old and wants certain things out of life and telling them that they're fucking
00:55:47.940
Something that you said earlier was, uh, you know, people don't realize how much wealth
00:55:55.140
No, they assume that because, because this dude's making money, that means that they can't.
00:55:59.240
They, they don't think that there's room at the top.
00:56:01.480
You know, everybody has that potential, but what you just said with the guy yesterday is that he
00:56:08.820
You know, I'd like to know how many rich people he knows.
00:56:17.900
And dude, that's, you know, I mean, it's all started with, with companies legitimately
00:56:21.860
doing the wrong thing over the last however many years.
00:56:24.360
Our parents grew up, you know, seeing this and they spread that message.
00:56:31.940
You know, making money, being successful is, is, is a good thing.
00:56:40.980
It takes, it takes a person who is willing to go through a billion tons of bullshit for
00:56:53.780
You know, there's just, there's no end to it, man.
00:56:56.420
You know, there's biblical implications that we can tie in there.
00:56:59.660
I mean, it's just, it's, you have the opportunity and if you don't execute on the opportunity,
00:57:05.900
that's on you, that's not somebody else's fault because they went out and did it.
00:57:09.540
And my whole purpose of talking to this, I mean, this is a lot of people who are like
00:57:15.560
They're like, dude, fuck, I don't care what anybody thinks.
00:57:19.680
But when you're 15 to fucking 20 or 25, you know, you're, you're listening to people
00:57:27.200
And they're telling you that you, you shouldn't own a fucking nice car, nice house, because
00:57:37.620
Those goals one day, and here's the truth of it.
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You hang on to them long enough and work hard enough.
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You'll achieve those goals and realize that they didn't represent everything that you thought
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they did, which you will grow from and then become a more, you know, a better functioning,
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Dude, I used to think that living in a 10,000 square foot house and fucking driving Lamborghinis
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But the point was doing, getting to that point, like you could take all that shit away from
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me right now and it would make no difference at all.
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But for me to get to this point, I held on to those dreams and I got to those dreams and
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now I have a hundred plus people that make a living off of the dreams that I had.
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So you have to have those dreams and there's nothing wrong.
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It's just, I just want these younger people to realize like, look, people are going to
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criticize you, but you, if you understand where that criticism coming from and why it's
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happening, it's a lot easier for you to say, well, you know, I'm not going to listen to
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And when people are criticizing you and you know what's driving that and you know it,
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Like if you really understand how money's made, if you really understand what it takes
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and what good comes of it and how much good is done by it, you should never have a negative
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viewpoint of money and you should never feel negative about making money.
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You should never apologize for making money and you should never apologize for, you know,
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And like society has mind fucked a big, a big group of people into thinking that they
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were meant to be broke as fuck and live paycheck to paycheck and barely able to get by.
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It's, it's not, you know, one of my favorite lines from the Wolf of Wall Street, there's no
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You know, there's nobility, there's nobility in humbleness.
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I'm a humble person, two different fucking things, motherfuckers.
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You don't have to be broke to have those character traits, you know?
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So, my final thought is simply that, unfortunately, in our culture, greed and capitalism have become
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synonymous, especially with younger people, and they're not the same.
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Greed is bad, but capitalism is very, very good, in my humble opinion.
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Like, my final thought would be, if you're a young man or young woman, and you have high
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fucking hopes and high goals and high ambitions, hang on to those, protect those, never let
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anybody talk you out of them, never let anybody change your focus, never let anybody make you
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feel like you're wrong, and stick with your plan until it becomes a reality, and then if
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you decide it's not for you, then make your own fucking decisions about it.
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But anybody who comes and tells you you're wrong for wanting what you want, I would give
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them the middle finger and walk the other direction.