00:11:27.180But the thing is, is like, how are you so brilliant and you don't know that that was
00:11:33.620all BS and you didn't do any like fact checking or listening for yourself. And, you know, like
00:11:40.860Cernovich had a post about this. Well, first of all, Cernovich thinks that he, Chamath, might be
00:11:45.680wanting to run for governor of California. But then he's also like, oh, you know, then these guys like
00:11:50.740turn around and now suddenly, you know, they're Trump bros. These are my words. And, you know,
00:11:55.980now they're going to move to Texas and still complain about all the same stuff. And, you know,
00:12:00.480So they're, you know, it's kind of like, it's not that it's too little too late because it's
00:12:05.340always a great time to change your mind when you find out the new facts. But I don't know. I don't
00:12:09.400know what my take is. I don't know what my thing is with this. I generally love it. Marcella,
00:12:14.680I'm going to come to you first. I mean, just believing the news for so long and the hoaxes
00:12:20.780and I think what it is for me is that I feel like if you believed all those hoaxes and you
00:12:26.260believed the news, then you literally had to believe that anybody who was supporting our0.97
00:12:31.380president or voted for him were the scum of the earth, which is like what a lot of them had said,0.97
00:12:37.280not Shamath. But I don't know. Why am I so annoyed with this?0.99
00:12:41.760No, you know, I think Shamath, not knowing him personally, you know, I think he's being genuine.
00:12:48.640I think he sees how things have gone. I think in the past, Silicon Valley was
00:12:56.260How would you say they were sort of in their own bubble and nothing touched them because we didn't have certain governors that went in and created these, you know, the billionaire tax that they're talking about here in California.
00:13:12.360They were untouchable, basically. And so they were able to live this ideal dream of having this tech and this type of politics, and yet they didn't see the outcome of it.
00:13:29.660But, you know, as we've gone along, we've seen the Democratic Party, just like they have, turn into a very leftist, extreme, communist driven party.
00:13:42.860So I think like as they went along and realized this, although, you know, I do, Cerno is correct in his criticisms of them, but I think they are, they're very intelligent people and they're seeing the writing on the wall.
00:14:01.120they're seeing that these things are going to affect them i think the issue is it's affecting
00:14:07.640them now right um which is which is fair you know like you know when something doesn't affect you
00:14:13.120maybe you're not really involved whatever you know so i think they see that i'm i'm very positive
00:14:18.560that chamath is on president trump's side very positive of that however you know you never know
00:14:26.040where they're gonna go they they seem to with another election right the other yeah with another
00:14:31.020election with another party so you know they they're always changing uh fluctuating but i mean
00:14:38.140i guess that's the the name of the game for all of us you know well and you know my favorite um
00:14:44.120jason i mean he took off to california and it's like you know what i mean to um to austin texas
00:14:51.360yeah and it's like you know what stay there and fix it you know like don't keep complaining and
00:14:55.440just run away i don't know i wanted to um also clarify david friedberg was the one that to talk
00:15:01.980about makers and takers in the all-in pod where chamath is part of it which i'm i'm sure chamath
00:15:07.600is in agreement with but yes for sure good morning joel like hello with the guns let's go
00:15:14.340very sexy today oh and you gotta level up tomorrow
00:15:18.360it's so good to see you thank you thank you i just got off a red eye flight so everything's
00:15:27.000kind of jumbled around in my head but um i have actually a very good excuse for being late which
00:15:34.780is i was writing a page of scott's biography and i went way over time partly because i'm so tired
00:15:40.120um but uh anyway you're right and i'm dressed up as i i'm about to hopefully go for a quick run
00:15:47.500And although the oppressive heat in Washington, D.C., where I just landed is a bit of a disincentive.
00:15:53.420But can we just unpack this for a minute, you guys?
00:15:55.720Like, I cannot I have the hardest time getting like to a lunch date with friends and I have all day to do it.
00:16:01.520Joel's like, I just got off a red eye.
00:16:17.160I'm exhausted. I'm just grateful for the energy to do any of this. I mean, I usually can sleep
00:16:26.760on planes. This time I only slept for a couple of hours. I sort of have a formula for red eyes,
00:16:32.420which is kind of eat before you get to the airport. I actually usually bring sushi to the
00:16:37.580airport, eat at the airport. Then I have some... I know Scott was very anti-alcohol, but I basically
00:16:45.400have one serving of some alcoholic beverage and then i fall asleep on the flight and wake up
00:16:51.160on the other coast and i'm okay um this time it just didn't work and i don't exactly know why
00:16:58.520but i woke up in the middle of the night and then i just started working um so i haven't had as much
00:17:02.760sleep as i normally get on red eyes and you don't get that much on red eyes but at least usually i
00:17:06.520sleep the whole flight and this time i didn't and i never take any sleeping pills or anything like
00:17:10.120that i'm very uh i'm generally very wary of pills or anything so um not because i don't like
00:17:16.360swallowing pills i'm just kind of like why why put extra stuff in your body you know most most things
00:17:22.440you need a remedy for you can you can find joel's so tired he's explaining his pill popping wise
00:17:30.280joel you're a brave man eating raw fish and then getting on a plane
00:17:34.520that would be the last thing i would pick like that and a salad those are two things i would
00:17:40.420not eat before getting on a plate you know i've never really had a problem uh as far as that goes
00:17:46.460i mean i i um my wife's stomach is a lot um more sensitive than mine i i like to joke that i
00:17:55.500basically have intestines of steel like i can basically eat or drink almost anything and0.50
00:17:59.740nothing happens to me. Oh my God. You're so lucky. I'd be like, Oh no. Oh, all right. Well,
00:18:05.380that was, that was TMI. So anyway, Joel, I was telling everybody, I, you know, I love the picture
00:18:11.500of you and Joshua working on the book, on the Scott Adams biography. And, um, I'm so glad you
00:18:18.160could come on and like update us with that and whatever you want to tell us, like we want to
00:18:23.420hear it all right so um last monday i got together with josh i finished the second draft about a week
00:18:33.320before that and um he spent a week going over it and he gave me 357 notes and then another i don't
00:18:44.880know 90 something corrections so there was about 450 some odd you know things to deal with um
00:18:54.720and we sat there and we kind of went over the book and he suggested a couple of things i needed
00:19:02.460to add into the book the book right now the draft is about 100 000 words um 100 000 words i mean
00:19:10.800it's probably about 400 pages. It's a little long. So I need to trim it while also adding material.
00:19:19.860So that's going to be challenging. I've interviewed over 30 people already for the book.
00:19:27.320So I've got to integrate that now. And I'm still interviewing people. I'm still asking people for
00:19:31.880interviews and i'm going to add some structure into the book that i think will make it uh even
00:19:41.620more interesting and i have to tell you i've discovered things even in the last week or so
00:19:47.080of sitting with uh with josh and just talking about scott that i didn't know and so i think
00:19:54.560it's going to blow people's minds actually i i think i i've i've spent a week sort of with my
00:20:00.800with my head having exploded and sort of trying to put it back together again um but josh yeah
00:20:05.820josh and i basically we you know he's from um cincinnati or cincinnati area so i flew to
00:20:12.340cincinnati we rented a hotel room for the day a nice room near the airport with a desk and a couch
00:20:21.100and just sat there and we worked and i still have my regular work to do for my regular job
00:20:26.880So I did that also and then got back on a flight and came back.
00:20:32.420And it wasn't so simple because I had to, in both ends, both going to Cincinnati and coming from Cincinnati, I had flights that had stops in Nashville.
00:20:43.000So, you know, connecting to Nashville, luckily the weather was OK.
00:34:08.820Scott had a constant back and forth with his brother.
00:34:14.680And Dave, Scott used to say whenever he wanted to think of whether something was funny or not, he would think about whether his brother would laugh at it.
00:34:21.880And if his brother would laugh at it, then it was funny.
00:34:24.040um so so in a sense dave was scott's comic muse and and in a way the black character is a tribute
00:34:30.960to his brother i love that it's perfect his brother is not african-american by the way but
00:34:36.560it's just it's just it's part of the gag you know like this is my brother dave it's it's it's almost
00:34:42.720a wink to to his brother and yeah you know so um the brother dave but as long as they're all
00:34:49.560identifying as black i guess it doesn't matter yeah i don't know if you know this joel but when
00:34:55.720when scott was becoming famous there was actually a scott adams who was african-american that worked
00:35:02.600somewhere in pleasanton and they actually were thinking that he was the one that was doing this
00:35:08.860dilbert cartoon so that kind of implicitly goes with the whole dave character like maybe there
00:35:14.180could be something i might have to use that yeah um there's also a scott adams who played college
00:35:19.060football and initially if you if you googled scott adams i don't know why but for a while it would
00:35:24.920bring up the college football player maybe because scott was so canceled that they kind of had
00:35:28.820stopped linking the traffic about the cartoonist and political commentator scott adams and they
00:35:35.320were linking to this football player but you know this is the problem with ai the ai slop would put
00:35:40.080it all together so they'd be like scott adams famous cartoonist and college football star
00:35:44.760I mean, Scott would found that hilarious, but anyway.0.99
00:59:54.000You're not really a logical person, we're pattern recognition machines, pattern recognition machines, your patterns are all you have, you're not really a logical person.
01:00:24.000And then, of course, understanding the brain as a visualization machine is very, very important.
01:00:48.120because visualization is the biggest most powerful part of your brain
01:00:54.080it's the part that influences you most
01:00:56.260understanding the brain as a visualization machine is very very important
01:01:03.260because visualization is the biggest most powerful part of your brain
01:01:09.180it's the part that influences you most
01:01:18.120obsessed. I could listen to that beat all night. All right. Now, oh, suddenly I'm feeling like a
01:01:27.640DJ. If I could just take over Stern's show and get that $500 million contract. Oh, you guys are the
01:01:37.700best. Thank you, Samar. You guys have a great, great rest of your day. I cannot wait to see
01:01:43.660you guys tomorrow morning right marcella you too yes yep can't wait look forward to it every day
01:01:49.700all right you guys love you so much have a great great day marcella have the best day
01:01:53.800ever kick some attorney butt out there for us argentina game watch the argentina versus england
01:01:59.860and we want argentina right well oh yes there's no way that england can win but then again france0.92
01:02:07.780lost yesterday. So. All right, Marcella. So I'll root for Argentina. Tough day for me today,
01:02:14.280you guys. Oh, gosh. God bless. Root for me. I'm sending prayers your way. Thank you.
01:02:18.940Thoughts and prayers. Okay. Thoughts and prayers for Marcella. Let's go Argentina.
01:02:23.000And we'll see you guys in the morning. Take care. Bye, guys. Love you.