Real Coffee with Scott Adams - A Conversation With Naval Ravikant CWSA 11⧸07⧸24

00:00:00.880 we're live with naval ravikant and if uh the indication from the post on x is any indication

00:00:07.920 at all there's gonna be a lot of people here today because i've never seen people so excited

00:00:12.720 about anything i was doing and apparently has to do with you so uh i think you've been doing a few

00:00:18.720 of them this is you know i go for the scarcity bit if there's anybody who doesn't know who

00:00:24.160 naval is uh let's say entrepreneur investor philosopher mentor uh you we run out of rooms

00:00:31.440 there there's there's not enough names for you well what do you what do you call yourself if like

00:00:36.080 when if you had to introduce yourself do you just get clever and say like the joke version what do you

00:00:41.600 do you know it's hilarious it's funny you say that because i used to uh you know when i was really

00:00:46.880 young i had the oh i'm an entrepreneur i had this company i'm the founder of this right as a resume

00:00:51.280 speak uh midwit resume speak if you will and then as i got older then i did these self-deprecating

00:00:57.920 you know false humble brag like ahaha you know i'd and then say something ludicrously low like gas

00:01:03.520 station attendant order but now of course they say hey i'm naval that's it you know and if you know who

00:01:11.360 i am great if you don't that's great too because i don't i don't believe in this whole um you know it's

00:01:17.200 a form of identity politics to have like your history behind you uh you you should have to prove

00:01:22.000 yourself in every instance so if what i say is true then that stands on its own and if it doesn't

00:01:26.000 it doesn't so it doesn't matter yeah you're the you're the most famous unfamous person i know meaning

00:01:32.160 that the number of people who will privately bring up your name just you know independent of knowing

00:01:36.880 whether i know you or not uh is it's really phenomenal but but i can just pick somebody out and

00:01:42.560 say have you heard of and they won't you know not necessarily the household name but uh

00:01:48.640 influencers right it's more uh it's more efficient actually i realized this when i was first in the

00:01:53.760 tim ferris podcast um and after the tim ferris podcast like every podcast in the world reached

00:01:59.760 out after and it's because tim ferris influences the influencers right and i think you're one of those

00:02:04.880 two you influence the influencers you can look at x right formerly twitter even when it had a much

00:02:10.720 smaller audience it was so influential to the influencers because the journalists and the

00:02:15.120 politicians were on there so it punched out of its weight and when whenever somebody like in a huff

00:02:21.120 deletes their x account and storms off they just fade into irrelevance like sam harris so where is he now

00:02:28.480 i think yam lakun is the latest casualty of that right and sometimes they slink back on tail between their

00:02:33.760 legs and sometimes they don't but if you influence the influencers just like the left realize if you

00:02:39.120 control the institutions and the elites you can just punch out of your weight so so you bring up uh

00:02:44.800 one of the points i wanted to point to i want to talk to you about you know it seems like during the

00:02:49.680 political process as you learn the names of the people who are connected to what you know especially

00:02:54.720 on on the left you say oh it's that it's that person there's always whenever there's like a hoax

00:03:00.560 you see the same group of people emerge though it's like they've got the designated liars but then

00:03:06.080 there are little there are little uh maybe uh i don't know gangs within the democrats and then you

00:03:12.400 learn you know who's got the connection who's married to whom you know whose husband's in the

00:03:16.800 top of the cia and stuff right yeah but but what happened on the right was that there was this sort of

00:03:23.120 organic growth of connection and persuasion that is invisible to the left so the right as kind of you

00:03:33.680 know we've now figured out the entire network on the left but the left is blinded because they see

00:03:39.760 well i think it's podcasters has something to do with joe rogan and they can't go deeper than that

00:03:44.960 well the right doesn't even know what the network is because the right is not a coherent entity

00:03:49.120 you know the left is a set of people who hate market outcomes whether in the free market of

00:03:54.320 evolution and genetics and nature or in the free market of capitalism right so because they don't want

00:03:59.520 inequality it's an equality religion right like formerly christianity now elements of it mixed

00:04:05.360 up with marxism and identity and race politics and you get this thing where they basically want

00:04:10.960 everyone to have equal outcomes no matter what and then on the right you know you have the people who

00:04:16.640 just want to be left alone they're like hey just leave me alone it's basically the collection of people

00:04:20.320 who don't like the left and it's a ragtag collection and if you had to divide them up broadly

00:04:25.440 there are at least three groups they're sort of the fiscal free market you know classic conservatives

00:04:31.360 they're sort of the people who are bound by race and ethnicity and you know common culture and then

00:04:36.640 they're the people who are religious and you know like raising families and god fearing and so on

00:04:42.400 and sort of these three categories together that when you kind of get them together you get the right

00:04:46.080 but it's inherently disorganized so they don't form institutions they don't form networks they're busy

00:04:51.360 with their jobs they're not like running out and creating ngos and institutions uh so and they're

00:04:56.240 not as ideological so i don't think even the right can identify the right if you had two different

00:05:01.600 right-wing people list the top figures you know in the industry or in the group it would break down

00:05:07.200 after five people they would just be different sets it's almost like the right is a set of nodes

00:05:12.960 and and then there's all these memes and reframes that are they're flying through like if we go back to

00:05:18.560 2015 some of the people will remember this um when people thought trump was a clown and he was just

00:05:25.280 a clown and that's all he was so i wrote a blog post someone remember it it was called clown genius

00:05:31.040 so i reframed him as somebody who was a showman and that he could use those talents uh in a productive

00:05:37.440 way and you'd better watch out because he's not gonna just change politics i said he's gonna change

00:05:43.040 the nature of reality itself in 2015 now that one yeah yeah you're you're leading back then and then

00:05:50.320 you're pacing for a while now leading again but so so then january 6th comes and you know and his

00:05:56.400 reputation goes down and i think that's when it was important that the silicon valley the smartest people

00:06:03.920 kind of came in and said okay he's not crazy he's not dumb a lot of this stuff makes sense you don't

00:06:09.440 have to love the personality that's not what we're voting for and i think elon was the biggest you

00:06:15.360 know most prominent of that but you must have seen a lot of that behind the scenes were were you seeing

00:06:21.520 dominoes falling like sort of privately i definitely i definitely heard a lot of people basically

00:06:28.320 privately say oh my god you know this biden administration has been a disaster kamala looks even

00:06:32.800 worse these are like full-on socialists you know they want to seize the means of production price caps

00:06:39.840 you know race politics and gender politics like this it's just idiocy and we you know a lot of us

00:06:45.600 are in california and we've seen how much california suffered by being a one-party state and then when

00:06:52.160 you have just enormous amounts of illegal immigration combined with the push for amnesty birthright citizenship

00:06:58.240 path to citizenship etc etc these are all code for flipping votes voters um and so it it the thing that

00:07:05.920 i think the thing that really got me off the sidelines was the lawfare just the lawfare and

00:07:10.000 then the warfare right lawfare graduated to warfare with outright bullets being fired obviously that's

00:07:15.120 more incitement related than you know planned but uh the the lawfare was crossing the line for me and

00:07:22.400 i think for a lot of people sorry go ahead yeah can i put you uh on the spot do you remember your post

00:07:30.240 about changing the rules uh vaguely uh you know there are two posts i'm proud of in this whole

00:07:37.040 in this whole thing and one of them is about changing the rules and there i was i didn't word

00:07:41.760 it the perfect way i could have worded a little better sometimes on wordsmith so i know it wasn't quite

00:07:46.080 perfect almost didn't put it out for that reason but um the post was basically that you don't you

00:07:53.440 don't you know you know leaders come and leaders go but you don't want to change the rules of the game

00:07:58.080 right and uh lawfare is changing the rules of the game censorship is changing the rules of the game

00:08:04.320 importing voters is changing the rules of the game right these are structural changes you're making to

00:08:10.000 get us into one party rule that'll never come back from and the ending of that was like let's change out

00:08:14.800 the rulers who are to change out the people who are changing the rules of the game right now there

00:08:18.960 is only one valid comeback to that by the way which was made by some commentators which is well jan 6

00:08:24.000 was an attempt to change the rules of the game and i would argue no because you know it can go through

00:08:28.480 all that evidence why but it's like yeah a bunch of unarmed people taking over a building and nobody

00:08:33.360 actually dying in the attack like that's not how you take over a country this size you don't just seize

00:08:37.680 a building right we'll trespass until you surrender exactly and that was so exact i mean yeah it was a

00:08:43.600 bad thing to storm you know into the capital but it was so exaggerated after the fact by the left and

00:08:48.480 so hoaxed that then it just lost all credibility on it but regardless that was the only like slight

00:08:53.840 comeback you could have to but it's very clear there's one side that keeps talking about changing

00:08:57.360 the rules packing the supreme court adding states destroying the electoral college right these are all

00:09:02.080 attempts to change the rules of the game because they don't like losing um and it was it is a one-way

00:09:07.040 slope that we've been on for a while um you know no id voting that's another you know uh mail-in

00:09:12.400 ballot voting mandatory voting non-secret voting right uh felon not being able to run for office

00:09:18.480 right let's make them a felon okay we call you a felon now you can't run for office so all of these

00:09:22.240 are attempts to hack the system and i i like democracies because you can vote people out of

00:09:27.120 power because if you can't vote them out of power then you gotta shoot your way out and that's not good

00:09:30.480 for anybody you know especially the unarmed 60 of the country so um but what do you what do you think

00:09:37.920 realistically once you look at the history of say kennedy on have we really been picking presidents

00:09:45.440 i mean i was watching i was watching an old documentary about i don't want to get conspiratorial

00:09:49.440 but yeah candy was shot and they still haven't released the files which is absurd they still

00:09:53.520 haven't released the files 60 years later uh nixon you know the whole watergate thing now we know how

00:09:58.320 the media works so what was that all about um yeah it's you know but even the exceptions look kind of

00:10:05.520 weird right because you get okay reagan um you know he was he was just all american but he was going to

00:10:11.120 spend a whole lot on the military yeah yeah i mean these are all pro-military candidates look i i also

00:10:16.800 tweeted that i think the the first act that uh trump should take is the patriot act needs to go and the

00:10:22.880 fisa courts and the suffice of surveillance that that goes with it because that's been weaponized

00:10:27.120 and turned domestic they as an excuse all they have to do is accuse you of foreign collusion and then

00:10:32.240 they can treat you like a non-citizen all your fourth amendment rights go out the window and now they're

00:10:37.520 surveilling you and coming after you and as we know the federal register so large you know show me the

00:10:42.160 man i'll show you the crime or was it richly's mind like six sentences written by an honest man i will have

00:10:48.080 him hang right the the every word you said i just love to hear because once silicon valley types of

00:10:57.120 thinkers are set loose on the government you know elon of course looks like he's going to be the

00:11:02.000 biggest one rfk junior etc etc they're they're systems thinkers as you are yeah i actually volunteered for

00:11:10.240 public service i never thought i'd do it you know it would be pretty limited public service and i don't

00:11:15.360 know what they have that would match up but i just put the word out i said hey if you want me to do

00:11:19.360 something in this government i'm happy to do it because i want to protect the american dream for my

00:11:23.520 kids well where i see your greatest value is just what you're talking about which is you're you're

00:11:29.600 seeing how things are connected and i don't know that the democrats are good at that i don't know that

00:11:34.480 standard republicans are good at it i don't think trump's you know as good at it as as like you would

00:11:40.400 be or elon would be or janey vance will be so the the level of re-engineering that can be brought to

00:11:47.840 the country is breathtakingly exciting to me it feels like 1776 and it feels like here's something

00:11:55.760 i always wondered how was it that the eight or 12 people who started the revolution which was crazy

00:12:04.480 i mean it was crazy that they were just going to get killed but somehow they made it work and then

00:12:11.200 somehow just when we needed it when you know the countries were to fall off the rails the the characters

00:12:17.760 who had exactly the right skills and historically so you know like elon has been franklin it almost

00:12:25.680 seems like reincarnation or something does that seem like a coincidence to you or am i you're inspiring

00:12:32.560 me because i wasn't sure how much work i want to put into politics but now you're inspiring me if

00:12:36.480 it's that kind of moment then yeah that'll pull us everyone off the benches you know good here's the

00:12:42.080 way i look at it um of course i'm biased for american greatness but if you know some of that's hyperbole

00:12:49.120 etc patriotism but i do think that americans have one superpower which is we will shit can absolutely

00:12:57.280 anything and and until capitalism works because it makes you fire your best friend right if if you

00:13:06.080 can't fire your best friend if you can't tear the entire structure down if you can't cannibalize your

00:13:12.160 last product to put out your new iphone you're going nowhere yeah all the successful systems take

00:13:17.760 feedback from free markets or nature and it's it's when you're you know when you're a president and you

00:13:23.760 say i'm not going to listen to what the market's telling me i know what's right that's when you're

00:13:27.120 going to fail economically um you know if you say uh no we don't need you know tesla or we don't need

00:13:32.880 electric cars we're going to go to space you're setting us back centuries as humanity right you're

00:13:37.680 not taking feedback from nature and we could we could just be wiped out on this earth uh so having a

00:13:43.680 forward-looking person like elon actually executing i think that's what separates that's one of the

00:13:48.720 many things but definitely the largest thing in my mind that separates 2024 from 2016. instead of

00:13:53.760 having a bunch of republican party apparatchiks and neocons running the administration uh he actually

00:13:59.920 has incredibly competent people available if he will take advantage of them you know the one thing that

00:14:05.600 trump doesn't get enough credit for is that he has his ear to the the uh public like like nobody else

00:14:13.040 and he listens to lots of suggestions from lots of people and so it's not a top-down situation i think

00:14:20.160 democrats are kind of a top-down machine and the republicans are a bottom-up machine well yeah the

00:14:26.320 democrats are better organized you know they're they're collectivists by nature they're better

00:14:30.400 organized that's what they do what they have though is they've worse leadership because uh the great men

00:14:35.840 tend to be more on the right so to speak right the great man theory of history you're just more likely

00:14:40.160 to be on the right because they're more individualistic so the left tends to win elections when they

00:14:45.120 have a charismatic male leader right you have barack obama or bill clinton right you win an election

00:14:50.720 um and that's why also in a lot of countries the first elected female prime ministers or presidents

00:14:56.320 are conservative you know the maggie thatchers the indira gandhi's of the world the ben is your

00:15:00.480 buta they're actually warmongers all of them right um so you you kind of have to uh the left is

00:15:07.440 better organized but they tend to have worse leadership overall and i think that's a pattern

00:15:11.600 you see across the board with them well at the moment their their affinity for identity over

00:15:18.320 competence somewhat forecast what was going to happen you know not necessarily this election

00:15:25.040 but there was somewhat of a guarantee that if they didn't go for merit uh that eventually the

00:15:31.200 wheels were going to fall off the whole machine i think that's what happened this year yeah you know

00:15:35.360 historically in a democracy i would be um a little more pessimistic just because if you look at what

00:15:42.320 the left does well as it gets all the have-nots together and over time the have-nots sort of you

00:15:47.280 know outnumber the haves uh and leverage and technology leverage has been making that worse you know the

00:15:52.400 yes everybody's better off but the delta between elon musk and the lowest paid workers much larger than

00:15:57.120 historically however technology also gives leverage to the winners right so you have a microphone now i have

00:16:04.640 twitter uh you know elon has his empire of companies behind him and people who trust him and work with

00:16:10.320 him so the amount of leverage that's available to the really high functioning individual society is

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00:17:15.360 for details please play responsibly essentially we can't help but mention elon and most conversations he's

00:17:23.520 become the the universal uh reference to almost everything but i wanted to bring him up because

00:17:30.800 if you look at elon musk's life i'm trying to reconcile the coincidence that he believes were a

00:17:36.640 simulation with the fact that he lives like he's in a simulation he does live like he's in a simulation

00:17:42.720 yes he's broke every time yeah he's like well what would be the most impossible thing i can do now

00:17:48.480 uh change the government go to mars build electric car so i mean one of the you know i i called out in

00:17:57.280 2022 i put out a tweet saying elon musk is the new leader of the center right and then i did a troll

00:18:02.640 poll like you know who's the leader of the free world and it was like is it elon musk joe or who's

00:18:07.360 the leader of the world it's uh uh elon musk joe biden uh xi jinping and vladimir putin and of course

00:18:13.920 elon won right and obviously my follower base is self-selected but uh you know i kind of knew that

00:18:20.480 he he's the real deal and i don't know him that well i mean i just exchange occasional once in the

00:18:25.280 blue moon i get a message through him so i don't claim to know him at all um but uh there's a story

00:18:32.080 that i read about him that really affected me which was when he was talking to bill gates and bill gates

00:18:37.120 had just taken out some huge short on tesla like a billion dollar short or something and uh you know

00:18:43.600 and elon was like why would you do that why would you short tesla and bill goes well you know i talked

00:18:48.400 to my financial advisors and i looked at the math and there's no way it's overvalued and so i'm going

00:18:52.960 to make money on the short and elon goes what do you care about making money i thought you were into

00:18:57.760 electric cars and climate change and saving the world what are you doing like trying to save a few

00:19:01.920 bucks and betting against like and he just walked away in disgust and i think he never talked to bill

00:19:06.320 gates after that and that's when i realized like elon's a purist you know he means what he says

00:19:10.160 like the money is a tool for him to get what he's trying to do and so i take him at face value which

00:19:15.760 is the crazy thing because a lot of people who set these audacious goals to inspire people

00:19:20.320 but you kind of know they don't really mean it elon i take it face value so i really do think he

00:19:25.040 intends to get to mars i don't think he's joking about that and i think he meant to get he means to

00:19:29.520 get there within a defined window of time and i don't think it's just like an inspirational

00:19:33.680 faraway goal i think he's very very concretely going to do whatever it takes because elon

00:19:39.760 doesn't want to go down in history as the electric car guy or even the guy who saved america guy

00:19:45.120 yeah he wants to go down as a guy who got humanity to the stars yeah and everything again i'll give him

00:19:51.760 more credit than that i don't even think he wants to go down as the i got humanity to the stars guy

00:19:56.080 he's just like i want to get to the stars and so i have to make it happen in this lifetime the only way

00:20:02.080 that i get to experience the science fiction world in my head is if i get to the stars and

00:20:07.440 so that's so inspirational i think that drives everything so i think the government was just

00:20:11.520 the thing that got in his way well the way so you can get the stars i had an idea it's even simpler

00:20:18.720 uh he has to go to mars because he already conquered the planet he already needs a new planet he conquers the

00:20:25.840 planet as a side effect you know if you get to mars you also have the most powerful rockets and

00:20:31.280 missiles in the world you've conquered earth as a side effect if you get to mars you can already mine

00:20:35.840 asteroids for gold and resources you've got all the economics you just won earth as a side effect

00:20:40.880 so just just getting to mars as a side effect conquers everything because it's the most audacious goal

00:20:46.720 by far he's going to launch thousands of these rockets at a cadence of every few hours to build a mars

00:20:53.280 colony the staff i mean they don't have air they literally don't have air it's a terraform a planet

00:20:59.680 but it gets better because he's going to i assume that the the base on mars will be built by his own

00:21:05.600 robots yeah he has to build the robots to build the bases he has to have the ai to you know pilot those

00:21:11.600 robots and control them and the vehicles to drive themselves and batteries yeah there's no gasoline on

00:21:16.640 mars it's all got electric vehicles right he's he's thought a lot of this through the two pieces that i see

00:21:21.760 him not having done yet although i'm sure he's thought about him a lot or terraform formation

00:21:25.680 like how to terraform mars properly um and you could even start by terraforming parts of earth

00:21:30.720 you could take deserts and earth and turn them into mediterranean paradises

00:21:34.240 um and the other piece that he has to do is drones like he doesn't have a drone company yet

00:21:38.080 and you know the future yeah i've been wondering about that it just seems so obviously missing from

00:21:43.360 the portfolio doesn't it well i mean we we sort of make it look like it's effortless like oh yeah

00:21:48.560 elon you've done it before spin up another company but before steve jobs and elon musk came along the

00:21:53.280 conventional wisdom and jack dorsey too the conventional wisdom in silicon valley is you

00:21:57.200 can't run more than one company at a time and you would never invest in somebody who's trying to run

00:22:01.680 two companies at a time so spinning these up does take effort and you know he's been busy conquering the

00:22:06.320 united states so give him a breather give him another three three months on that one but yeah i i expect

00:22:12.880 if i had to guess just looking from afar he'll eventually want a drone company but you know in the

00:22:16.960 meantime there's andural palmer lucky's company yeah got an oculus and uh then was i think he was

00:22:22.640 tossed out for bad reasons um but he was an early early right-wing troll um and now he's doing andural

00:22:29.360 which is like probably the most important new company in defense on the planet yeah he's got some

00:22:34.480 good good toys there every time i see one of his little ads i think oh i wouldn't want to be on the

00:22:39.120 other end of that right but see that's another example of the over-regulated uh world that we live in that

00:22:45.200 i know elon's not a fan of is um drone the us is way behind in drone development andural is like the

00:22:51.520 one bright spot that's out there but the chinese have such an advantage in drones because dji is the

00:22:57.840 world's leading commercial manufacturer and here in the us we got hamstrung a lot by the faa

00:23:04.160 a lot of drone companies and drone entrepreneurs had to pivot or went out of business because the faa

00:23:08.240 was too restrictive and dji has just taken over the entire drone business so

00:23:13.120 if the chinese actually do get drone supremacy above us and i don't think they're that far off

00:23:17.280 that's like a form of it's that's the same tier as nuclear supremacy like in terms of you can win

00:23:22.960 entire wars entire countries because the next war is not going to be fought with humans can be fought

00:23:26.560 with robots like the the lesson of the ukraine russia war is if you can see it you kill it right the

00:23:32.640 first one to spot the other one wins it's literally that's the whole game right and because drones are

00:23:37.280 guided bullets and so they're the end state of all weaponry is drones there's one exception i can get

00:23:42.000 into but essentially all the sub the submarines and the warships will turn to drone ships uh all

00:23:48.160 the you know bullets individual bullets will be flying drones they'll turn corners they'll have face

00:23:52.480 wreck right so in that world the infantrymen is completely obsolete it's like a mounted knight

00:23:57.840 against the musketeer um so we we need to get drone supremacy back pretty quickly or taiwan is gone for

00:24:03.760 sure which means we're basically at the old star trek uh episode where where i think they did a

00:24:10.800 computer simulation to see who would win the war that's right if you're a loser you 600 000 have to

00:24:16.560 go into the you get over here and you die but that's exactly what would happen because it would be like

00:24:20.960 hey our drone army beat your drone army now there is one of our drones circling every one of your

00:24:25.760 citizens heads you know and we're going to execute 10 because you lost right or because you didn't

00:24:30.160 surrender in the first place i mean this is still the end but but do you think we maybe have reached

00:24:35.040 a point you know every probably every year in civilization they said that where the big war

00:24:40.560 doesn't make sense and it so doesn't make sense that you couldn't even get there accidentally because

00:24:45.200 it would just take too many accidents just yeah the big war doesn't make sense for any sufficiently

00:24:50.320 advanced society because any sufficiently advanced society is just short on technology and ideas it's not

00:24:55.200 short on resources it's not short on you know it's not fighting for food um but we're living in this

00:25:00.960 weird world where you have 21st century societies like the united states or parts of the united states

00:25:05.280 and japan and then you have countries that are literally 150 years back in terms of their moral

00:25:11.360 cultural intellectual technological development and so to them the idea of like conquering somebody still

00:25:17.280 makes sense right beating up their neighbor to get a piece of land or to lose something sort of

00:25:21.600 still makes sense and it's absurd obviously but the problem is the technology developed in the neolithic

00:25:28.080 countries kind of filters into the paleolithic countries and use that same technology 10 years

00:25:34.480 later in 10 years is not enough for them to have developed their moral and cultural institutions to

00:25:39.360 know how to deal with it to realize hey there's more to life than blowing each other up that's why i think

00:25:44.400 the the top you know five powers should just say why don't we just stay in the top five powers forever

00:25:50.960 and just make sure the little guys don't kill any of us well that's what happened with the u.n

00:25:55.440 right after the after the nuclear weapon was invented many but too many well the top seven

00:26:00.880 basically said we're going to hang on to the nukes thank you very much and then south africa and

00:26:05.440 israel and pakistan and north korea snuck in and india but originally it was just a security council

00:26:10.800 right security council was russia china england france us had nukes and that's it nobody else and nobody

00:26:17.200 else gets a say um but drones will leak out more than that and and drones aren't like as apocalyptic

00:26:23.360 as nukes right away it's not like a zero to one you go from non-nuclear to nuclear but the drones

00:26:27.680 just get better and better and you can see that iran and turkey uh and these countries like they punch

00:26:33.920 out of their weight above their weight just because they're advanced in drone development you know

00:26:37.760 turkey with the tv2 drones that ukraine has been using and uh you know iran making the shahid drones for

00:26:44.400 russia and of course china with dji would you get a robot would you would you get a home robot

00:26:52.400 yeah i'm on the list for optimus prime um or optimus whatever it's called optimus prime is

00:26:57.600 a transformer optimus the the tesla robot i think i'm pretty far in front of in the front of the list

00:27:02.800 i hope uh but look i don't expect it to be that great at the beginning it's probably going to suck

00:27:07.840 okay but you have to both support the future unlike bill gates right uh and you have to um you

00:27:15.920 have to try the future like if you live in the future you're just so much better off than than

00:27:20.640 not living in the future i i buy every random technology gadget that looks halfway interesting

00:27:25.120 but i don't have any qualms about throwing it out either i do it for learning because judgment is

00:27:30.240 everything we live in a very highly leveraged age one of the biggest mistakes i made was i talked

00:27:34.720 myself out of a tesla years ago so i got a tesla later than i should have because if i gotten it

00:27:38.400 earlier i would have bought the stock i would have made many teslas worth of money right and i would

00:27:43.360 have understood what where electric cars are going what the future of automotive looks like and i would

00:27:48.000 have understood what self-driving can do and what it couldn't earlier so just for purely judgment

00:27:52.320 reasons to improve your judgment you know you should be pro-tech um so yeah i'm going to buy an optimus

00:27:57.680 i can afford it obviously so that makes it easy for other people okay yeah you can wait until it's a

00:28:02.240 more finished product but do you think the llm ai is ever going to be able to drive a robot because

00:28:08.480 i don't think it is yeah i don't know i mean the transformer breakthrough so what happened was this

00:28:14.080 breakthrough this thing called the transformer which was really designed for translation between

00:28:17.920 languages and but it also works well for transcription for some self-driving and art generation and so on

00:28:23.920 that breakthrough has generalized quite a bit more than this language is because it does art right it

00:28:29.200 does like video and art um but yeah i don't think it can generalize this forever and i think with

00:28:34.880 these robots they're going to have to give them a lot more real world data and feedback but the whole

00:28:39.760 ai boom has now brought a lot more money and a lot more research and a lot more development into ai so

00:28:46.000 just people are taking it a lot more seriously and i will say what the optimus robot can already do on

00:28:52.480 a machine learn model is actually already more than i think they were able to do under the old

00:28:56.720 rules-based systems where they were like coding it by hand so i would say i'm cautiously optimistic

00:29:02.720 and uh one thing elon has taught us is just you know stay at it throw the best people at it throw

00:29:08.160 a lot of resources at it it's worth it and eventually you'll get it to work yeah it does have the feel of

00:29:13.600 we're it's definitely the thing and there's no way to avoid ai but we don't know what it looks like so

00:29:19.760 it's hard to know what to what to do to get ready for that well i i don't i don't think one should

00:29:25.200 fear ai uh my current read on it is that it's the dawn of natural language computing you can basically

00:29:32.000 speak in natural language to computer and it can go through huge unstructured data sets make sense out

00:29:37.680 of them and speak back to you in natural language so that alone is a huge breakthrough and then i think

00:29:42.560 for highly bounded tasks like driving a car which is actually pretty bounded because there are rules of the

00:29:47.920 road and you have a lot of data or translation transcription image generation classification

00:29:54.240 there's just a few of them i think it's really good and quite worthwhile but i think in terms of

00:29:59.200 like agi and you're having a conversation with it and it's creating new science like i know that's the

00:30:03.840 hope i don't see the road to that just now i also think it's a tool like you become more effective

00:30:09.040 and more efficient like any other tool so just learn how to use it and you'll be more productive

00:30:13.200 you'll be more valuable so i don't know if i mentioned this to you years ago but for over

00:30:18.240 30 years i've had a plan that uh i would replace myself with a robot before i go you know so i just

00:30:25.680 needed the right level of ai and the ai now believe it or not doesn't allow me to just teach it who i am

00:30:32.960 so i could reproduce it like there's a company doing that uh it just they came in my inbox the other day

00:30:39.120 and i passed without meeting it but it's a good company and they have good product and good

00:30:42.720 technology and they're basically making ai clones of famous people that you can then rent by the hour

00:30:46.800 right who is it what's the company do you remember i i do i don't know if i should be advertising or

00:30:51.840 not advertising it because i'm not investing so you know does it start with a d yes oh i think i tried

00:30:58.640 that one yeah exactly the oracle right the hint on the name um but yeah the thing is i just think

00:31:06.960 that's inauthentic i don't think like these ai these ais are mimics right they're patchwork

00:31:11.600 plagiarists they can grab little sentences and translate them and combine them but it doesn't

00:31:15.920 make sense underneath but when i tried it couldn't remember accurately even things i put in a file and

00:31:21.920 say remember this about me okay but that's in practice i'm talking about even in theory we don't

00:31:27.520 have anything approaching agi we don't know how creativity works so it's going to be fake it's going

00:31:32.480 to be a fake parrot it's it's like if it's literally a stochiastic parrot like a random

00:31:37.840 number generator parrot is one way to think about it another way is like i call it a patchwork plagiarist

00:31:42.960 right it's plagiarizing your past work and it's sort of stitching it together but it's like a

00:31:47.120 frankensteinian output it's not alive so i'm in the process of uh building out a some kind of estate

00:31:54.560 trust uh structure so that i can fund my permanent robot that can be upgraded as the ai improves

00:32:02.720 so it'll be its own little trust entity well we could work the other way so there's two other

00:32:09.200 you're talking about one way to bring you back or keep is to keep you around as a robot uh another

00:32:14.000 way is we could just like stick a chip in your brain record everything that's going on and then

00:32:18.880 when you die like you know or even while you're alive flip it flip you to the chip turn the brain

00:32:24.080 off and flip you to the chip so that's another route a third one is we could just simulate you we

00:32:28.240 could just you know record you well enough and create a simulated version if it's a good enough

00:32:31.920 simulation why isn't that alive there's a lot of waste with this rabbit hole well well it's also

00:32:38.160 going to be interesting because if if i say that the robot is me and who gets to say it doesn't i mean

00:32:46.800 it would have to have some kind of rights that are managed by a human being yeah but if i say that's

00:32:52.240 a continuation of me right who's to say otherwise there's a great sci-fi short story called lena

00:32:58.320 uh and it's about the first human to get his brain virtualized you know like virtually copied and then

00:33:04.400 basically he realized it like it's it becomes it goes open source and so everybody starts using for

00:33:10.320 everything and then you know 400 years later it's powering washing machines and robot slaves and so on

00:33:14.960 and it's always the same guy and he's waking up and he's like oh my god i'm a i'm a robot slave you

00:33:21.120 know it's like for the rest of eternity he's suffering in all these menial roles it's a fun story

00:33:26.400 but this goes back to the question of which one is real right like in the multiverse which copy of me is

00:33:32.160 real i have an answer to that by the way you can come back to that but um in the you know in if i make

00:33:37.520 copies of myself with a transporter accident star trek or if i make robot duplicates which one is real

00:33:42.960 there's a calvin and hobbs uh strip which i'm sure you've seen it went for a while

00:33:47.200 where calvin has this box this cardboard box you know all kids always have the cardboard box game

00:33:54.400 something like that he opens it and another calvin comes out so you can create a calvin copy it's a

00:33:58.720 cloner and so he's showing hobbs like okay this one's going to do the chores that one's going to do

00:34:03.040 the homework this one's going to go you know do that i'm just going to relax but pretty soon

00:34:07.200 they're all bums they're all fighting over the food there's not enough clothes they're all

00:34:10.400 trashing the place nobody wants to clean up because they're all calvins right so it doesn't

00:34:14.240 actually solve any problems uh it just creates duplicates but uh yeah i mean at the end of the

00:34:20.880 day the the way to test that is like uh you wouldn't pull the plug on yourself right like

00:34:26.160 if you really believe that to you then you're ready to pull the plug on this copy of you and nobody ever

00:34:31.360 is um that's that's the real test on it there's a there's a sci-fi short story called the jewel

00:34:37.120 and i'm going to blow the punchline so if somebody doesn't want to know it to skip ahead but

00:34:40.880 basically it's about a future society in which they put a chip in your brain when you're born

00:34:46.000 and the chip it records every action every sensation every feeling of your development and

00:34:50.800 then when you hit a certain point in maturity you go in for an operation where they scrape

00:34:55.680 your brain out and replace it with a warm spongy material that'll survive forever and they turn the

00:35:00.080 the jewel on and you're now the jewel so your brain's been uploaded into the secure chip that you control

00:35:05.680 and the rest of the body is all replaceable it's only the brain that the mind that they couldn't

00:35:09.200 replace the software so this is how they do it and so our protagonist has like a week coming up until

00:35:14.480 his brain is going to be scraped out and he's going to be you know flipped on as the jewel and after a

00:35:19.920 while he's like no no i don't want to do this right and and then he goes and then runs off and

00:35:24.000 joins some secret society of underground lunatics who refuse to have their brains replaced because

00:35:28.000 they're now very much in the minority and they're mortal so they're going to die they age and die

00:35:31.280 everybody else gets to live forever so they're kind of crazy and then he finds and then when

00:35:36.160 he goes into the secret site and he sort of escaped he finds out actually they turned the

00:35:42.240 jewel on two weeks ago so your brain is still there but you're not listening to it you are the jewel now

00:35:47.360 do you want to go through with it or not then he goes yeah so then he goes into the operation to

00:35:50.720 script the brain out that's the end so so so what you would have so but even that doesn't quite solve

00:35:58.080 it right because like if i flipped you to a robot you then robot you would say yeah get rid of meat

00:36:03.760 meat suit you know scott he's not necessary anymore but meat suit scott would say get rid of robot scott

00:36:09.680 so you you actually independently exist it's a clone it's not you but it solves itself because

00:36:15.600 meat scott goes his uh me scott way and the robot goes on forever that's true that's true uh it's it's

00:36:24.400 like creating a clone by the way you can already clone yourself you know rich people are already

00:36:28.400 cloning dogs and cats i hate to say it not me but i know people who have literally cloned their dead

00:36:34.560 animal and they have a clone of it running around uh and and and you ask the kids you're like hey how's

00:36:39.920 the clone and they're like oh same behavior you know i can't tell it apart from the old dog so for a

00:36:43.680 dog it's the problem solved and you can already clone yourself there are companies that are doing uh

00:36:48.960 you know embryos stuff like they have the ability to do clones the i i'll bet you the chinese

00:36:53.040 communist party the top people have some clones on ice that is so cool to think about that they

00:36:58.880 could just break one out isn't that like the what is the sci-fi foundation yeah oh yeah there's altered

00:37:06.000 carbon i think and or rick and morty has some stuff on this but yeah it's uh you know the the future

00:37:13.680 is here it's just unevenly distributed right so so let me let me ask you some more questions about the future

00:37:23.040 bank more encores when you switch to a scotia bank banking package learn more at scotia bank dot com

00:37:29.760 slash banking packages conditions apply scotia bank you're richer than you think what do you think is

00:37:36.640 the future of the family yeah so i think the catholic church was right and the contraception killed

00:37:43.600 the you know the family it sort of killed catholicism actually killed religion for sure uh

00:37:50.960 contraception was a groundbreaking technology right and it changed the nature of the family

00:37:55.040 and now we're in this situation where you and you kind of had enforced monogamy in society before

00:38:03.200 right uh like and and if you had sex you had a child you needed two people to raise a child you

00:38:09.760 know you didn't have washing machines you didn't have cars or whatever maybe etc so you're kind of forced

00:38:14.720 into the family unit and now through a combination of uh robotics technology automation contraception

00:38:23.520 sex and marriage and childbearing all these things have become highly decoupled right and so a lot

00:38:29.520 of people are playing choose your own adventure um but those bundles were there for a reason right

00:38:35.760 we're biologically hardwired for those bundles so i would say like the happiest situation is if you have

00:38:40.880 a happy family if you're happily married and you got your kids and everyone loves each other

00:38:45.440 that's the best of all possible worlds but that's so rare most people you know either fail trying to

00:38:51.440 get to that or they don't even want to take the risk because if you try for it and you fail there's

00:38:57.760 so much downside that they sort of are opting into all these alternative models um the weirdest one

00:39:04.080 that i heard and this is a los angeles story um i don't know if i want to out him it's up to him but

00:39:09.440 this guy's having a uh he he has a son with a woman they got they were married they had a child

00:39:16.080 then they didn't get along they got divorced okay they're still friends they're obviously raising the

00:39:20.480 son you know as divorced father and mother but he decided he wants to have another kid

00:39:27.200 and who would he be best situated to have a kid with he's already got all the child support worked

00:39:31.760 out he knows they're genetically compatible they still get along they're already raising a child together

00:39:35.760 so he's having a kid with his ex-wife and paying her uh i think that he's basically it's like a

00:39:43.760 divorce like he's paying her enough to you know it's like the alimony thing but you add for the

00:39:48.480 right right you use the same rules that you have with the existing kid yeah so in that sense it's

00:39:53.280 probably probably worked out but if you tell people like oh i'm gonna have another kid with my ex-wife like

00:40:00.000 that triggers them right that breaks their mind in so many ways and i think it's weird like it's it's

00:40:05.440 fine it's probably better than having a kid with someone you don't know or don't love or having a

00:40:09.840 kid without a mom you know i know that happens too so it's probably fine but it's weird it's definitely

00:40:15.920 weird and people are getting pretty mad at him about it mad enough i think he's gonna write a book

00:40:21.120 on the topic and become famous for it he's already famous but he's even more famous right but um

00:40:26.560 um my advice to him was i was like just tell him you're gay right just tell him you went gay because

00:40:32.880 then it's suddenly okay it's weird how these rules work the exact same thing is happening

00:40:39.680 anyway but because you say you're gay it's suddenly okay you get out of jail i've been holding that card

00:40:45.360 in case i need it someday it's like well you know i wasn't going to mention it but yeah let me bring it

00:40:50.080 up right put on a wig yeah so yeah i i think uh the whole family thing is going to go into um

00:40:58.160 permutations that we're not used to i think you're going to see what didn't i don't know if this is a

00:41:04.400 fake news or not wasn't elon talking about having all of his uh the mothers of his kids in one one

00:41:10.800 building yeah i mean it's that's uh um that makes me yeah yeah it's like mormon style right

00:41:19.520 um i mean there are people who a lot of people are opting out of the gene pool they're not even

00:41:23.280 having kids can't be bothered right or it's too difficult um i think i think that's a mistake i think

00:41:29.200 if you can have kids you should have kids it kind of answers the meaning of life question right but

00:41:33.600 it's my rule on that is you either got to have kids or you got to find god like pick one of the two

00:41:38.960 and i know what's that well i've read god i've read god's debris i i've i've i've read your

00:41:46.320 simulation stuff i know the game you're playing you're playing the god game uh and you're just

00:41:52.160 playing it in your own way with your own words so you have more conviction which makes sense right

00:41:55.920 it's not some white bearded dude who lived two thousand years ago has certain commandments you're

00:42:00.160 thinking it through for yourself and you're stitching it together in your own framework your

00:42:03.760 own models your own language and so it's solid within you you have you have your own i wouldn't

00:42:09.680 call it faith because it's there through reason but you you have your own deep spirituality although

00:42:16.000 you don't use that language of those words um and i think you'd have to otherwise you wouldn't be

00:42:20.400 happy right now because then you'd be as a self-obsessed and looking for pleasure in the next pill or the

00:42:24.400 next thing or the next activity and that doesn't you have to have a mission if you have a mission

00:42:28.960 larger than yourself something that you truly believe in more than yourself and kids are the

00:42:34.080 easiest one right and one of the great ones i i'm finding politics as my uh as my escape you know

00:42:41.440 because if i do anything that helps people like you know i've had a job where people contact me all

00:42:46.880 the time and say oh you helped me lose weight or get a new job or something and that just feeds me

00:42:53.280 that's just like oh my god that's that's the nourishment i need it's like i helped you wow well

00:42:58.800 i think especially like if you're a traditional male you get a lot of value like self-value out of

00:43:05.920 taking care of your tribe doing your duty towards your tribe and you get to define your tribe and

00:43:10.720 the more capable you are the broader that tribe the more people you should take care of and that's why

00:43:15.280 people like elon are so impressive because he's basically saying humanity is my tribe right i'm going

00:43:20.160 to push this all forward now to that point my my hypothesis is that the reason that trump prevailed

00:43:27.920 is that the danger to society to america got to the point where male um just male biology kicked in

00:43:36.160 and people who otherwise would have said you take care of it i'm sure it'll be fine just said oh no

00:43:41.600 there's a lion at my door and i'm the guy with the gun i gotta i gotta kill the lion so you mentioned

00:43:47.920 one tweet of mine before to change the people who are trying to change the system right but the other

00:43:52.400 tweet that i was really proud of this cycle right was it's i almost want to pin this to my profile

00:43:57.520 but uh it's uh it's the battle of the masculine men and the feminine women against the fem against

00:44:03.520 the masculine women and the feminine men right and that one was written in such a way that like it's

00:44:09.120 it's lyrical it's poetic it flows but it's also true and once you see it you can't unsee it and i think

00:44:15.040 that one influenced more people than any tweet i put out because they saw it and they would they immediately

00:44:21.120 knew whether they're masculine men or feminine woman and then they immediately thought on the

00:44:25.360 other side like oh yeah they're all men are feminine and all the women are masculine right and it

00:44:29.840 immediately sorted you it properly sorted you into your bucket and it did it with actually ironically

00:44:35.440 identity politics politics but it it works um it does work yeah and so i think like what you have is

00:44:43.920 you have very capable people now who decided that you know the nonsense has to stop the identity politics

00:44:52.320 has to stop the the gaslighting has to stop the lawfare has to stop the censorship has to stop

00:44:57.920 um and uh hacking the system has to stop and and we got to put our foots down so you have some

00:45:04.320 in this administration i think you have some very intelligent people working with trump hopefully they

00:45:09.120 will figure out how to navigate the bureaucracy and the intel apparatus before they get blown up

00:45:14.400 right because the intel apparatus and the bureaucracy are not going to give up i have a theory that over

00:45:19.440 a long period of time the people with the guns are always in charge right so if you if you look at

00:45:25.120 roman history at the end all the emperors came from the praetorian guard which was guarding the emperor

00:45:29.840 now they were suddenly in charge if you look at what happened in russia you know the fsb the kgb the secret

00:45:35.120 police the people who were guarding the premier they took over right so that's putin and his crew

00:45:39.920 so on a long enough cycle the praetorian guard is eventually in charge the people with the guns always

00:45:44.240 end up in charge so and that's happened kind of everywhere in the world where the intel operators

00:45:49.200 has intel apparatus for example has their secret courts and their secret laws and their gag orders

00:45:53.600 so why hasn't it fully happened in the us it's the only place in the world and it's because of the

00:45:58.880 second amendment because the people with the guns are in charge because the people have the guns

00:46:03.360 right well but the possibility is that they just use the media so that they could get around the

00:46:10.240 gun holders correct correct so the power actually goes to the best organized and armed intolerant

00:46:18.960 minority right to win revolutions and wars and even to have the soft powers that revolutions and wars are

00:46:24.400 never fought against you in the first place you need the organized group and i think as a society we've

00:46:29.600 lost fact of the we've lost sight of where voting comes from what voting developed as a way for

00:46:36.400 people who had won wars to divide up the spoils amongst themselves and not fight each other and it

00:46:42.160 became a right that was granted to you if you fought for the empire if you had a sword and shield you had

00:46:46.880 some land you call you went when you were called by the king or the emperor of the senate you went to war

00:46:51.440 for them and so power gave you the right to vote because the other guys didn't want to fight

00:46:57.440 you they didn't want a civil war so like let's just divide up the vote amongst us like if you're

00:47:01.840 in a pirate ship and 10 people are armed and 90 aren't you crash in some island who's going to end

00:47:06.160 up voting it's going to be the 10 with the with the weapons the 90 without the weapons will not get

00:47:09.600 a vote especially if the 10 are organized especially if they have a common culture race

00:47:14.480 religion nationalism philosophy whatever that's binding them together so it's that power gives you

00:47:19.440 the right to vote and now we've gotten upside down where the right to vote gives you power

00:47:23.600 where it doesn't matter if you're capable of exercising power or not you get the right to vote

00:47:28.160 but how long is that going to work you know if the 51 percent that's unarmed and not powerful

00:47:34.000 is voting to stamp and just stomp a jackboot you know on the 49 that's armed eventually that 49

00:47:41.200 will organize unless as you say the media keeps them disorganized off balance and doesn't give them

00:47:48.160 chance to organize right that's why like the anyone who's in charge is really good at

00:47:52.560 breaking up crime breaking up rings organization right they don't want the opponents to organize

00:47:58.960 so it's the organized resistance that can win disorganized they don't right like if if there's

00:48:04.160 jackboot thugs coming in and kicking down doors if we all fight them at once they always lose

00:48:08.720 north korea would be free if everyone in that giant open air gulag could organize an in one action in one

00:48:15.360 moment but they can't coordinate so they get picked off one by one like dissidents the same way like

00:48:20.400 twitter can you know the old twitter before elon took over kick off people one by one but they

00:48:24.880 couldn't all leave in a huff to another side at the same time they couldn't organize because twitter

00:48:29.360 is the organization mechanism so the single most consequential thing that freed this country is elon

00:48:36.000 bought x and the best tweet i saw on this was from greg fodder he had this great tweet he said i can't

00:48:42.880 believe that he noticed that the the 80 percent uh completed imperial death star and just bought it

00:48:54.880 they'd basically been building this death star to control all of news media forever and they were

00:49:01.600 using it left and right and he just bought it and there's a really ironic there's many ironic sub

00:49:09.920 stories in there but one of my favorites is that when he went to buy it he offered the 44 billion right

00:49:15.600 i think it was 42 because he loves that number right he's just love he's he's in the simulation so he's

00:49:20.000 he's a troll uh he's trolling the simulation and um you're right he's the guy who takes the simulation

00:49:26.880 seriously and so are you right and so you guys live your lives you you yolo it you truly yolo it anyway

00:49:33.600 you yolo with some faith that there's some wind out there at your back which by the way it might

00:49:37.440 be called a religious belief nevertheless um so uh you know they they built this death star and he he

00:49:46.000 he goes in to buy it and he offers 44 billion i don't remember 42 and it gets to 44 through some

00:49:51.760 accounting stuff but i don't know if you remember but the market crashed hard right then that was

00:49:58.080 when the market fell off a cliff and then and he then he realized he was way overpaying the bankers

00:50:05.200 all tried to back out nobody wanted to invest he was in over his head the stock he put up his collateral

00:50:10.320 had come down and he didn't want to buy it anymore he didn't want to buy it and he was like well you

00:50:15.920 know there are too many bots here and they're like well that's not good enough you can't back out

00:50:19.360 so they dragged him to court in front of a delaware judge and they made him buy it

00:50:32.240 freed us all yeah now i i so here's here's my cynical question can any modern country survive

00:50:40.880 with free speech if their news is real because you think they'll just fracture they'll fall apart they'll

00:50:47.440 realize there's been too much shenanigans in the past and they'll be i i think if if we saw all

00:50:53.120 the warts of our government yeah and there wasn't a counter thing that was you know saying oh that's

00:50:59.280 not true uh i don't know if any government could survive long enough to do anything good that's the

00:51:05.680 nice thing about democracy it gives us a way to have peaceful revolutions right so if all of that came out

00:51:11.360 the people if they truly understood it which i'm a little skeptical on i mean the reality is i think

00:51:17.040 most people are single issue voters and the parties are collections of single issue voters and most

00:51:21.440 people have one thing they really care about and understand they don't really pay attention to

00:51:24.880 everything else so there's only a small percentage of people who care if kennedy was killed by the cia or

00:51:29.360 not you know it might be enough to tip the boat on the margin um but i don't i just don't think enough

00:51:34.880 people who care or that nixon was framed you know like okay half the country will believe it and the

00:51:39.680 other half won't you know exactly how this will work out right yeah i i i have to do or false if it

00:51:44.960 has a political component to it half the country will believe it and half the country won't i i feel

00:51:49.920 i'm only curious like i'm not bought into the answer at all i'm not either i'm not either for the

00:51:55.920 record i don't think the cia killed him but i'll bet one of their ex-people was you know probably went

00:52:00.240 road well yeah something along those lines yeah their fingerprints are somewhere but not directly

00:52:04.880 on the gun all right i i don't think i've asked you about ufos yet have i i've never talked about

00:52:11.440 ufos have i i don't think you might have i'm i'm a ufo skeptic like i don't know so am i so do do you

00:52:18.080 think they're so the fact that the government keeps telling us that somebody else has seen the

00:52:25.200 spacecraft and we can't tell you we can't tell you where it is or what it looks like right right

00:52:31.920 there's too many camera phones there's too many people there's too many blabbermouths there's too

00:52:35.680 many wannabe heroes you know that information will be out already plus why would the aliens even hide it

00:52:41.360 and how would the ufos get captured and how do they even make it here so far and wouldn't we see some

00:52:45.760 evidence like electromagnetic radiation from their transmission there's just so many problems with

00:52:49.920 the ufo thing it's kind of uh you know it's okay so when you're trying to figure when you're trying

00:52:55.120 to figure out how to navigate this world full of dueling memes that are trying to occupy your brain

00:52:59.600 what you really need is good epistemology epistemology is just theory of knowledge fancy

00:53:03.520 word for theory of knowledge you need to know how to tell what's true from what's false and that's

00:53:07.760 becoming one of the most important if not the most important survival trait in society the other

00:53:12.400 one might be like can you resist eating sugar although i think ozenpic will solve that so uh

00:53:18.080 it's really about how do you tell what's true from what's false and too many people are lazy they

00:53:23.360 don't have the foundation to figure out what's true what's from false and they just like assume one

00:53:27.600 thing then next thing you did and you're in this giant edifice of like men can give birth right or ufos

00:53:33.360 are real or i'm embarrassed you know for the people who are into this but it's like you know the pyramid

00:53:38.880 was a giant battery or something you know that that one seems to be in vogue right now but there's always

00:53:43.840 a bunch a bunch of these lunatic fringe theories that go through um and i just think they like if

00:53:49.440 you have any kind of understanding of physics politics people numbers you know numeracy you

00:53:56.480 would understand that no the government's not hiding a bunch of ufos somewhere so so here's my my favorite

00:54:02.080 recreational belief about ufos this is not a real belief it's a recreational belief that apparently our moon

00:54:09.840 has so many oddities to it compared to other moons that we can we can see that it's almost like it

00:54:15.280 doesn't seem like a real moon and some people say it's a hollow spaceship that that has been there but

00:54:23.200 but i've added to it that on the dark side of the moon there's this enormous crater impact that you can't

00:54:29.520 see from our side but uh so my theory is that the the aliens were using their giant ship that didn't look

00:54:36.080 like it was covered with dirt when it first got there maybe it was just a big big ball and uh

00:54:41.440 they were sort of trying to geo form the earth for later you know that maybe they gave us a little dna

00:54:47.120 and stuff like that and they're watching it and maybe even maybe even they uh thought they would block

00:54:52.560 an asteroid or something from destroying the good work they've done maybe they moved the moon in front

00:54:57.200 of it and took the hit so my theory is that the inhabitants of the moon space vehicle all died but it's

00:55:04.880 automated and that what we see as ufos uh that do that weird thing where you can see them and they

00:55:11.280 show up on radar but they seem to be able to change directions like faster than an object can

00:55:15.760 that they're holograms from the moon now in other words the the there is something there but it's just the

00:55:22.000 intersection of of electromagnetic magnetic waves so maybe you maybe you could pick it up on radar and

00:55:29.600 maybe you could see it but if you put your hand on it it wouldn't be there and yet yet yet it could

00:55:34.800 operate like uh sonar or radar which is if you send out any kind of signal into the world you can you

00:55:41.920 can get a ping back and it's just the way i just think eyewitness evidence is worthless and people are

00:55:47.200 very gullible so like i don't waste neurons in thinking about ufos um like i like i there's there are

00:55:54.560 zillions of you know probably nearly infinite kepler planets in the universe or in the multiverse

00:55:59.920 so yeah there is life out there somewhere um it's probably you don't think so well i'm still

00:56:07.760 caught on we're a simulation and if we are there doesn't need to be life anywhere else

00:56:13.520 i don't think your simulation okay let's go into the simulation thing because i'm going to take you

00:56:17.440 up on it i don't think it explains anything useful um okay here's what the simulation hypothesis

00:56:23.200 basically does it just kicks the whole god problem up one level right it's an axiomatic

00:56:28.480 kind of thing saying well we're just in a simulation it can't be falsified you can always just say well

00:56:32.000 that's just a simulation you can cherry pick like with horoscopes you can cherry pick outcomes and say

00:56:36.720 well that would only happen in the simulation and you could ignore all the ones that followed regularity

00:56:41.760 it doesn't actually explain anything it doesn't make any risky and narrow predictions

00:56:47.040 it's not falsifiable so it's not scientific it's purely a belief it's a faith-oriented belief

00:56:52.000 uh and you can replace the word simulation with god you can replace it with computer program vr

00:56:57.680 reality chemical scum bat brain in the vat and the whole thing still holds it's a very easy to vary

00:57:03.360 theory um but what about the what about the statistical likelihood if we know that one is created

00:57:11.360 there are two places where the simulation theory uh differs from uh just a pure made-up god theory okay

00:57:18.800 one of those is that the statistical argument which is like on a long enough time scary computers get

00:57:23.600 strong enough that you can do this right the the second problem sorry the second thing that it kind

00:57:29.440 of addresses is it kind of says that and that's why reality is quantum underneath zeros and ones right

00:57:34.160 it's a system that we're used to so let's forget the second one let's go with the first one for a sec

00:57:38.320 so you're basically saying that it's just it's just likely to happen right this so you just wait long

00:57:44.720 enough the computers get good enough well okay what would happen okay so they're already good enough

00:57:48.880 but good okay well what happens is anytime you're simulating something it is much much much lower

00:57:55.200 resolution and much less real than the base reality that you're simulating out of right right just like

00:58:00.880 we observe to render that to guide that photon over there so you lose massive amounts of res uh resolution

00:58:08.640 so the only way the simulation is going to be better is if you can control it right if you can

00:58:15.600 basically say uh otherwise you're going to stay in your real reality the reason you play video games

00:58:20.320 in your real reality because you can win you can control it that's what affirmations are okay yeah so

00:58:26.880 okay i'm going along with you so the only reason you would go into a simulation is you can control it

00:58:31.200 but if you can control it too easily then it's not fun there's no surprise so to make it fun and

00:58:38.560 surprising you want to have it either be multiplayer or convincingly multiplayer where there are other

00:58:44.400 actors that can do things you don't expect and it's adversarial right right so you would end up with

00:58:49.440 something that looks a lot like what we have today right so what so the only reason you would do it is

00:58:55.040 because base reality wasn't giving you that feedback and entertainment right if base reality was

00:59:01.040 giving you that same level of multiplayer game you would rather stay in base reality because it's

00:59:04.800 like billions of time higher resolution in fact this reality would be so unsatisfyingly low res

00:59:10.560 you would have to nuke your memory and probably your body to not understand what's going on no

00:59:16.080 here's where i i must disagree with you okay please so uh if you're playing tennis and you see the

00:59:22.400 tennis ball zip by and it hits the line and you say hey that's out and everybody else says no that's in

00:59:27.200 uh you can play it back in the on the video and you can find out for sure what it was but the person

00:59:32.960 who saw it out and the person who saw it in have a perfect memory except one of them didn't happen

00:59:39.280 and what we know is that our brains create the resolution or imagine the resolution and so i'm

00:59:46.640 talking to you right now surrounded by detail that is completely being invisible to me and i don't even

00:59:51.760 know if it's really there unless i look at it right so our actual experience of life is that we're

00:59:58.400 imagining resolution that isn't there and that's easily provable what's the difference between

01:00:03.280 imagining resolution having resolution how can i imagine it if it doesn't like it would take the

01:00:07.520 same compute power for me to imagine it as it would for it to exist although you could argue the unseen

01:00:13.120 universe doesn't need to exist exactly now it's an argument for consciousness because if it's not

01:00:18.880 if it's not conscious why bother rendering it right which leads me to a different place

01:00:24.240 so so my everything is conscious rather than to the unconscious stuff isn't rendered

01:00:31.200 i don't know that point but let me ask let me ask this so my belief is if we're a simulation

01:00:37.600 then if i were to go in the backyard and dig a hole where nobody no human or any entity had ever dug a hole

01:00:44.480 that the stuff that i dig to doesn't exist until i'm digging to it because it doesn't need to and

01:00:50.000 never did need to so everything that's not directly observed doesn't have to exist and that's how you

01:00:56.320 save all your compute time why do you need to save compute time because the universe is massively big

01:01:03.360 and you couldn't build a computer that would be big enough to replicate in detail like you say down to

01:01:09.040 nice you're taking interesting in the simulation you need to uh you need to conserve compute time

01:01:13.840 but from what we see of our universe it is so massive it's potentially a multiverse it has so many

01:01:20.240 you know black holes and capable computing power has so much compute power like why why would you need

01:01:26.640 to leave this reality like even if you're sitting back okay it's a simulation let's go with that for

01:01:33.680 a second doesn't mean you left it though okay what does that explain that was unexplained before

01:01:41.360 oh i don't know first of all i don't accept your assumption that that's a necessity for it to be true

01:01:46.960 well i i i think the set of potential falsehoods is infinite and truth is a very rare thing so to pluck truth

01:01:55.360 out of the falsehood you have to have certain rules for what is true and what is not that's my

01:01:59.120 what about what about statistical arguments then statistical arguments only uh it's let me give you

01:02:06.960 one i'll give you one so you can here's the problem with the statistical argument the problem is i can

01:02:11.600 give you an equally infinite number of scenarios in which we choose not to do a simulation just because

01:02:16.960 base reality is already so good the problem with the simulation argument another problem is like

01:02:22.480 like like you can't you can never break out of the simulation or if you do then how do you know

01:02:28.960 you're not another simulation right it's like it doesn't it is it's doing the god thing it's basically

01:02:35.120 hiding everything behind a layer where you're not allowed to look and so it's adding complexity without

01:02:40.720 explaining anything new it violates occam's razor in that sense because you've added a new explanation

01:02:45.680 in this case the simulation but that new explanation doesn't give you anything it doesn't allow you to do

01:02:50.800 anything more it doesn't explain anything that you see or observe and so therefore you've just

01:02:55.840 added unnecessary entities in the explanation and just an occam's razor you don't want to do that

01:03:00.800 well so let me let me test that okay so my belief is that if we're a simulation it wouldn't necessarily

01:03:07.680 be for entertainment that that could be one that would be in the top three but in my uh my audience knows

01:03:15.360 that i have a long history of having massive water related problems uh just probably 12 of them this

01:03:22.560 year in my house alone my outdoor irrigation and it's in all my homes and it doesn't matter where

01:03:28.320 i'm living it doesn't matter who the contractor was doesn't matter and to me it's becoming obvious that

01:03:34.400 i'm an ai training tool and and that i'm training how to deal with infinite water related problems

01:03:42.480 everyone different and everyone you know i attack like it's a brand new problem so if you could

01:03:47.680 download my knowledge of fixing water related problems you you could populate like a a plumber

01:03:54.480 robot in the higher universe now now you said there's no prediction right so i i don't know if you can see

01:04:03.760 the comments but if i ask my locals people uh have i predicted that i will have ongoing incredibly

01:04:12.080 coincidental water problems and have they watched it for three years in a row and every time like

01:04:17.520 here's another one and and it doesn't match any experience that they have and i can but i could

01:04:22.800 also see because you believe this you look for water related problems that other people would let it slide

01:04:27.200 uh and yes yes you ground more than usual but like i i think i have water related problems in my place

01:04:35.840 i just you know somebody else takes care of it like i don't think about it you know i don't add it to my

01:04:39.680 list of water related problems and but did you have 12 separate separate occasions where there were like

01:04:47.680 you know i'm not going to take your streak of water problems as evidence that we live in a simulation like by that you'd be you could you could be saying

01:04:56.720 saying it's because i'm capricorn right now all of a sudden we have to believe astrology a theory that's

01:05:01.920 very easy to vary where you can change the components without changing the outcome is a bad theory but

01:05:07.360 but i'm making a prediction i'm making a prediction that next year like all the years before no because

01:05:14.160 you're arbitrating that one you're the one who's coming back and saying your water now if you made a

01:05:18.000 prediction about me if you said hey nival you're gonna have a dozen water related problems next year then

01:05:24.000 i'm gonna keep an eye you know that's better still not really scientific we should get a whole bunch

01:05:27.520 of people no well neither of them are the scientific process but would you agree that if i made an

01:05:33.680 unusual prediction and let's say i could keep making this unusual prediction time after time again would

01:05:40.720 that convince you or would you just think there's some reason i could make a prediction and you don't

01:05:44.480 know why i i would i would first look for the non-supernatural explanation i would first try to figure out

01:05:50.000 like is it what are the statistical odds of this and do we you know properly that's no fair calling

01:05:55.840 it supernatural you're trying to win by a word you can't win no no it is it is a supernatural because

01:06:01.520 it appeals to something outside of our current physics that's what i mean by supernatural oh but

01:06:06.000 it would but this would be well within our current physics we're just we're just a video we're just zeros

01:06:10.880 and ones no no that that's not our current physics that's not our current laws of physics that's not

01:06:16.800 our current understanding of physics that's not our current you know physics that we're we're

01:06:21.840 definitely running on some computing substrate right but there's nothing inconsistent with saying that

01:06:26.960 we're in a video game that was designed nothing inconsistent is back to unfalsifiable and there's

01:06:32.400 infinite number of those theories you know we're in we're brain you're a brain floating in a vat go

01:06:37.120 falsify that you can't right so but are you saying in general that if something is does uncanny predictions

01:06:45.520 that it still doesn't tell you something useful it no i'm not saying that it depends on what

01:06:50.480 predictions it's making how statistically likely or unlikely they are how well they're tested for

01:06:54.960 error who's corroborating them what that mechanism was and and also then the claim how does that

01:07:01.520 evidence match up to the claim so the more extraordinary the claim the more extraordinary

01:07:05.440 the evidence that it requires of course so i agree with all that i think my i think my experience with

01:07:10.640 my audience has been pretty extraordinary because they they're i try not to go too much in the

01:07:15.840 supernatural but i'll be honest there are times when i've prayed right so i can't hurt nobody's

01:07:22.800 perfect yeah exactly pascal's wager right just in case yeah i've i've got a version of this i don't

01:07:28.560 know if i've ever said this out loud before but every now and then i just talk to the creators of the

01:07:33.520 simulator simulation that are watching me because it might be me yeah yeah exactly no i completely

01:07:40.080 agree yes if simulation hypothesis is true then you know god or creator or master programmer has your

01:07:46.960 best interest at heart yeah i say things like you know is this the plan i mean you're really gonna do

01:07:52.560 this yeah exactly exactly no yeah like don't take me out of the game too fast like give me some resource

01:07:57.600 if you want me to be effective right or like i'm not job don't try me i'll fail let's not go through

01:08:04.160 let's not take that route let's try a different yeah i mean i think i think everybody does that

01:08:08.400 because at the end of the day existence itself is an unexplained miracle right like how do we get here

01:08:13.920 why am i here why am i a monkey why am i three-dimensional why am i male why am i talking to you right

01:08:18.320 now what does it even mean to talk right the whole thing is so surreal that there is an instantaneous and

01:08:24.080 overarching miracle of just consciousness like why even be conscious why not just be like zombies or

01:08:28.880 robots talking to each other going through the same actions why even be aware so there's so much

01:08:33.920 here that you just have to take axiomatically and that is spirituality and i think your spirituality

01:08:39.280 your current religion is a simulation hypothesis perfectly valid you know mine is probably closer

01:08:44.000 to the dao and you know other people's christianity or whatever but somehow you have to explain this

01:08:49.120 miracle of existence and you and everyone has to do it in their own frame but i think not

01:08:54.000 the rest is science right the rest is all follows the rules of science and so what i don't like

01:09:00.240 is when like someone says this one i'm correct it's scientific you should believe it because of these

01:09:06.640 following arguments and then i'm like okay well what are the implications how do we test it if you

01:09:11.120 want it if you want me to believe in the real world it has to be scientific which means it has to

01:09:15.040 be testable there's a third category that i will accept which is direct experience but it's only valid for you

01:09:20.800 so if you have a direct experience of something you can hold it but your ability to convey it is zero

01:09:26.960 because everybody has their own experience and you can't take anybody else to experience it value

01:09:31.680 uh i'll give you that i'm going to give you that my personal experience is so bizarre

01:09:38.080 that i mean it's not i don't think it's quite elon musk level but i mean you you've got your own

01:09:42.960 life that's kind of doesn't matter yeah very surreal yeah i mean how do the three of us exist

01:09:50.240 is this really like there's so many things in my life that happen and i'm sure you have the same

01:09:55.120 feeling where you just say how is this real i mean just how is this real if you want to talk absolute

01:10:01.840 truth and nothing else the only statement that you can make that is absolutely true is that what's that

01:10:09.680 go ahead i know where this is going sorry what's yours it's that we exist to ask the question

01:10:16.480 that's the only thing you know it's actually even worse than that

01:10:21.040 so i used to say it was i exist and then a very smart friend of mine corrected me and he said no

01:10:26.000 awareness exists you don't even know that you exist your thought like yes your current thought

01:10:32.160 exists and you're aware of that current thought but what is the you that is having that thought

01:10:36.640 that's the whole buddhist question the whole enlightenment question is there a persistent

01:10:40.400 self-identity other than just thoughts that are referring to each other like when you look for

01:10:45.200 yourself you're not actually there there's an awareness the awareness exists but the you separate

01:10:50.080 from that awareness does that even exist where are you on the question of whether your mind is one you

01:10:56.160 or you are several people in your head several i think it's several yeah i think it's it well so

01:11:03.440 there's two questions in there there's one implicit one explicit the explicit is do you believe in the

01:11:07.920 agent theory of the brain where it's all different agents you know battling it out or do you think

01:11:12.000 it's one unified thing and i think that one yeah it's the agent theory of the brain is more correct

01:11:16.720 but then the other question is like is that you are your thoughts you and that's a deeper question and

01:11:21.200 that one i go back and forth on are your thoughts you well your thoughts are you mean are your thoughts

01:11:27.520 coming from the you what is this you that's having the thoughts like you know you we we very casually

01:11:34.080 refer to this you this self this i but like is it the thoughts referred to but when you're not thinking

01:11:40.640 where did you go you're still there and then if you can observe the thoughts well you can dispassionally

01:11:46.240 observe your own thoughts it's possible that's what meditation is all about so is that you if you can

01:11:50.560 observe it and if you are the thoughts that are talking then who's the one that's listening so the

01:11:55.680 you or i that we refer to is this very amorphous entity it's like a you know it's alan watts compared

01:12:02.400 to like a whirling stick it looks like a fire but when you pause and look at any element of it there's

01:12:07.280 actually nothing there do you have the voice in your head yeah everyone does right no no you don't have

01:12:14.080 one no i i do have one but apparently apparently there was a thing in the news recently

01:12:18.640 again it's eyewitness evidence it's some person trying to be famous you know yeah there were a lot

01:12:25.520 of people who weighed in and said they also actually you know what i i take it back i i retract my earlier

01:12:30.320 statement you're right i've seen a twitter thread where some appreciably large number of people will

01:12:34.240 say they don't have a voice in their head but i would say they still have a persistent self identity

01:12:40.000 and it may be events through they think visually um you know they think in feelings um they're not

01:12:47.200 necessarily thinking verbally but they still have a strong sense of self and i the classic

01:12:52.000 people in history who don't have that strong sense of self are the buddhas right like if you're the

01:12:57.040 buddha or jesus or you're like a spiritual figure that you know i don't know saint augustine or

01:13:02.240 uh pick your enlightened person right supposedly what they have found is they've seen through the

01:13:08.960 illusion of the separate self the ramana marshis of the world right and so they don't take themselves

01:13:14.160 as seriously because they know they're not separate from anything that's happening every

01:13:18.400 they think and all that remains for them is awareness and consciousness that's what they

01:13:23.440 see themselves as you know i i've defined consciousness my best take at it and i think we

01:13:29.120 can give it to ai is a prediction of everything that's going to happen next like you know right

01:13:35.920 around you you around your body then there's the action and then there's your reaction to how close

01:13:42.000 your prediction was to the reality such and and my argument is that if everything happened exactly as

01:13:48.720 you knew it was going to happen you would lose all your five senses eventually because they wouldn't have

01:13:54.640 any purpose so so the consciousness is the lag between what you think is happening and what's

01:14:01.840 happening it allows you to lay in there yeah right so then you can say well why do only um seems like

01:14:09.680 humans have the the most of it but it wouldn't be any surprise that it's such a superpower that you can

01:14:15.600 imagine what you're going to do before you do it and then you can make an adjustment after that that

01:14:19.760 would make you the king of all the animals and let me let me i'm not sure i fully understood your

01:14:25.040 definition can you go through it again i really want to understand the definition would be a continuous

01:14:30.560 process where you predict what's going to happen next so i pick up the pen and i'm going to drop it

01:14:35.920 and i predict it will exactly like i thought but a little off a little off so it's the little off

01:14:42.240 that's the consciousness because then i say did that matter do i need to do it differently next time

01:14:47.280 and it's only the difference between everything else doesn't matter so so consciousness is only to

01:14:54.080 solve that one thing the difference between the prediction and the actual and then what do you do

01:14:58.400 about it it exists to solve that exists to solve that and that and that would be why humans went to

01:15:05.520 the top of the mountain because when i observed my dog she doesn't seem to be thinking about what happens

01:15:11.360 next i think normally when people talk about consciousness or awareness they tend to use

01:15:17.520 the term synonymously although maybe they shouldn't but they're more referring to just like i'm aware of

01:15:22.320 something like i feel it i have this feeling of being here and i i can you know i have this feeling of

01:15:29.200 experiencing these things i know what's going on around me so so if i give my if i give my robot the

01:15:35.920 sense of touch or smell is does it have awareness i mean that's the unanswerable zillion dollar

01:15:42.000 question we're gonna have to answer that with agi i mean if an agi says hey i'm conscious and it's

01:15:48.000 truly an agi it passes the toring test and all that not the fake one that people do on twitter with real

01:15:52.480 one um you know then you would have to take it as face value you would have to say sure okay you're

01:15:57.760 conscious so so today i find a programmer let's say and uh i say build me a artificial person who's going

01:16:05.120 to live in this video game they will imagine that they see things in great resolution but they won't

01:16:10.960 they will imagine that they have consciousness but they don't they will believe that they're

01:16:14.960 special but they're not and in every way they will react as though they're human beings now put

01:16:20.880 them on there and let's talk to them and you tell me if they're conscious and the answer is

01:16:29.040 take you about five seconds before you say i don't know the difference between you and this guy

01:16:33.120 who's sitting next to me yeah i mean if that thing uh you know it would have it would have to pass the

01:16:40.560 toring test first before i would take its claims for consciousness seriously and i have a high bar

01:16:46.320 for the toring test by touring you got to convince me you're alive and creative but if it would convince

01:16:50.960 me it's alive and creative and it said i'm conscious and i'd be like yeah i guess you're conscious yeah yeah

01:16:55.760 we're we're nowhere close to the toring test i mean no it's the the easiest one is can you tell me a joke

01:17:02.160 but don't make it wordplay and we're done yeah exactly i i tested on poetry because there isn't

01:17:07.600 much poetry stuff to crawl on the web it's terrible it's terrible at understanding poetry and parsing the

01:17:12.880 meter and verse and rhyme um but um who's gonna go with this uh you're talking about the little

01:17:20.000 simulation guy yeah i forget it's fine we'll kill him um well you know i i i i don't want to take

01:17:30.000 care of forever no i enjoy talking to you you know it's funny because i get invited to a lot of

01:17:34.640 podcasts but they're all asked the same boring questions um and you make yourself scarce at

01:17:39.440 least on these one-on-one so it's good so i want to talk to you um but we should do another one uh you

01:17:44.400 know it's funny because i i want to i have literally after periscope we used to have fun in periscope i

01:17:50.880 remember that right you and i were probably the two biggest periscopers for a long time yeah i was number

01:17:55.200 one for a little bit then you were number one i was number two and then i dropped off um and then

01:17:59.760 uh when clubhouse launched i was big on clubhouse trying to get that same feeling back and i even

01:18:03.920 did my own company air chat trying to get that same feeling back but i think every smart person

01:18:09.120 is starved for conversation with other smart people um and so the internet is great for that

01:18:14.320 it helps connect us but still like this kind of a setup is fantastic i can get to talk to you

01:18:18.960 there's like 20 people i want to talk to and that's it and you're on that list so when something

01:18:22.960 news breaking happens you know it's it's fun to get online and talk it's better than going to a

01:18:26.480 podcast and asking the same interview questions you know then you answer them to check off like

01:18:32.080 number 1309 check

01:18:36.240 nival you're one of the reasons i think i live in a simulation because if i do i think there are

01:18:40.720 player characters and npcs and from the first moment i met you say okay you're a player but beyond that

01:18:48.720 i've always felt connected to you no matter where you were or what you were doing

01:18:53.760 you know what's funny is when i was in college i i i don't remember many books and i don't remember

01:18:59.840 many t-shirts but weirdly like i have uh you know i have memories and photos and and people even bring

01:19:06.960 it up to me how i would always have all the dilbert books and i would always be like making jokes out of

01:19:11.760 them and i used to wear this t-shirt that my girlfriend at the time gave me because i was ignoring

01:19:16.160 her and it basically had dilbert at night and he was on his computer and it said while you are

01:19:21.440 sleeping i am working on world domination right that's what i'd do i'd be up on my computer all

01:19:25.920 night like working on figuring out how to make money and be successful and so they got me that

01:19:30.400 t-shirt so i've always felt a deep connection uh it's weird i mean yes maybe the simulation brought us

01:19:35.840 together and um it's good i knew i knew i could flip you oh yeah just gotta flatter me just appeal to my

01:19:44.080 ego that's right right you gotta go that way persuasion is right all right i mean women right

01:19:50.800 so so we'll definitely do this again uh but uh i i love this it's just it's awesome anytime great

01:19:58.880 talking to you start thanks everybody well all right bye bye

Real Coffee with Scott Adams - November 08, 2024

A Conversation With Naval Ravikant CWSA 11⧸07⧸24

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