Real Coffee with Scott Adams - May 30, 2020


Episode 1005 Scott Adams： My Goodness, So Much News. Let's Talk.


Episode Stats

Length

56 minutes

Words per Minute

152.16916

Word Count

8,590

Sentence Count

572

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

15


Summary

On today's show, Scott Adams and Alex Blumberg break down the latest in the Trump administration, including a new trade deal with China, the latest on the riots in Ferguson, and Jake Tapper's attempt to prove that Trump is a racist.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Well, let's look at the beautiful view and get ready for No Coffee with Scott Adams.
00:00:10.880 We've got a loyal dog. She seems like she's stuffed, but I can promise you, there you go.
00:00:19.300 She's actually a real dog. She can move.
00:00:23.580 Sit down. Go back to sleep.
00:00:25.840 All right. Well, we've got a lot to talk about.
00:00:32.080 Has there ever been a newsier day?
00:00:35.940 Alexa, turn on studio.
00:00:41.920 Or not. There, that's better.
00:00:46.000 Yes, yes, yes. We've got all kinds of news. Let's jump right into it.
00:00:50.000 First of all, Trump has decided he's leaving the World Health Organization.
00:00:55.840 Now, maybe it's still negotiating, because I'm sure if they gave him what he wanted, he would get back in.
00:01:05.340 But I think it's a strong move, because Trump always does the thing that everybody says, well, you can't do that.
00:01:12.820 And then he does it.
00:01:13.880 And then people say, okay, that worked.
00:01:17.960 Like closing travel from China.
00:01:20.260 People said, you can't do that.
00:01:22.620 And then it worked out.
00:01:24.460 There are a lot of things he does that people say, you can't do that.
00:01:27.600 You can't negotiate a trade deal with China.
00:01:30.380 They'll be mad.
00:01:32.360 And then he just does.
00:01:34.340 Looks like it didn't work out.
00:01:35.640 So I think the real problem with China is that they're not buying the American goods they said they would, because things are so tense.
00:01:46.420 So if China is not going to buy the goods that they promised to buy, I think we have nothing left to do with them.
00:01:54.360 It's time.
00:01:55.520 It's time to organize the rest of the world against China, which it looks like we're doing.
00:02:01.200 So there's some thought about turning the G7 into a G10, bringing in a few more countries to bolster the collective power versus China.
00:02:13.160 So that's all good.
00:02:14.640 I would say that's all positive for the United States.
00:02:19.420 So the president, of course, used some terms which he knows will get his critics buzzing.
00:02:28.820 One of them was, when the looting starts, the shooting starts.
00:02:33.920 Now, CNN and the other completely disreputable people are saying, well, it's clearly a racial message.
00:02:43.080 To which I say, do you think Trump knew that?
00:02:47.260 Come on.
00:02:49.260 Do you think Trump knew that, that it had some racial overtones?
00:02:53.440 Because looting is not a racial term, and shooting is not a racial term, and I'm watching the riots.
00:03:03.080 And to me, it looks like there are 10 white people to every one black person.
00:03:08.800 Are you watching the same riots I am?
00:03:11.680 All the riots I'm watching, there are way more white people in the protest slash situation.
00:03:18.020 So when the president says, when the looting starts, the shooting starts, you have to really kind of work at it to make that a racial thing.
00:03:28.740 And then he also calls them thugs, which again, there were about 10 white people for every black person in attendance.
00:03:38.140 And thugs is just a word.
00:03:43.680 And so far, CNN has turned this into wall-to-wall coverage about the Trump's racism.
00:03:50.420 So much so, that they actually ran the find people hoax again.
00:03:55.540 So Jake Tapper actually ran, you know, a clip piece on his show,
00:04:01.360 in which he was showing all the assumed examples of the president's racism.
00:04:05.360 And, of course, none of them are real.
00:04:07.760 It's just a laundry list of things that didn't happen or misinterpreted.
00:04:12.180 But the find people hoax was still on the list.
00:04:15.540 Still on the list.
00:04:16.980 So I finally had to give up with Jake.
00:04:19.060 So I blocked him.
00:04:21.100 I'm just never going to deal with him again.
00:04:23.140 Fucking piece of shit, really.
00:04:25.360 Because I was giving him the benefit of a doubt.
00:04:28.480 Because I had talked to him personally.
00:04:32.360 And I had explained to him what the find people hoax was about.
00:04:37.760 And, indeed, he's even said it himself once on his show.
00:04:41.220 He said that the president, at the same time, said that he completely disavows the racists.
00:04:48.580 Which is the part that usually gets cut out.
00:04:50.920 But I don't think there's any excuse at this point.
00:04:53.980 You know, there was a time when you could say, well, maybe they really think that's what happened.
00:04:59.740 But once you show them the transcript, it's pretty obvious it didn't happen.
00:05:05.200 But still reporting it today is just too far.
00:05:08.800 I mean, that's just race baiting.
00:05:11.440 And I don't have any patience for it.
00:05:13.700 I don't think you can be a good person and do what they're doing.
00:05:16.800 I just don't think you can.
00:05:18.220 So I'm sorry, Jake.
00:05:19.060 I wanted to think you were a good person, but you've proved otherwise, sadly.
00:05:26.820 So I'm cutting him out of my life forever.
00:05:29.920 Not that we had much connection.
00:05:31.840 We did the cartoon thing for charity a few times, but that was it.
00:05:38.880 I'm really disappointed.
00:05:40.520 I'm disappointed that it even exists.
00:05:44.980 You know, that we're even in this place.
00:05:46.300 But if you're watching the news, and probably maybe you didn't see it on CNN for a while until it was over,
00:05:54.220 but CNN was not reporting the news.
00:05:56.720 The CNN's headquarters in Atlanta was surrounded by protesters,
00:06:01.300 and they were destroying the big CNN logo statue or whatever you want to call it that was outside.
00:06:08.120 They're just ripping it on and doing graffiti on it, breaking windows, I think, at least one window.
00:06:13.320 And you might say to yourself, uh, why would they attack CNN, right?
00:06:23.240 Why would you attack CNN?
00:06:25.880 Because isn't CNN supporting you in every way?
00:06:31.520 Well, here's my speculation.
00:06:36.280 CNN has been whipping up racial animosity for years.
00:06:45.560 What if they succeeded and they got their racial animosity?
00:06:50.960 If they succeeded in making it racial, I'm not sure people see political party anymore.
00:06:57.140 Because once you make it racial, it's just racial.
00:07:02.140 The politics sort of is the second most important part.
00:07:06.600 But once the most important part is overwhelming everything else,
00:07:10.980 congratulations, CNN.
00:07:13.080 You took something that didn't need to be racial, because we're mostly on the same side.
00:07:17.980 But with the shooting, with the shooting especially, this latest shooting of George Lloyd,
00:07:24.280 the president is aggressively and unambiguously on the side of the protesters.
00:07:30.220 He was saying it was a, you know, bad deal, bad cop.
00:07:34.560 You know, he says, respect the memory of George Lloyd.
00:07:37.900 He couldn't be more on their side.
00:07:40.100 That maybe they noticed, because, you know, it's hard to not notice the president, right?
00:07:47.720 But don't you think that there's just a general hatred of white people who are elites in power?
00:07:57.060 I think CNN created a situation where they've weaponized the public against themselves.
00:08:05.100 Because in the CNN world, there's this difference between Fox News and CNN.
00:08:10.100 But I think we're learning that that's only in the heads of people who watch a lot of news.
00:08:16.520 Apparently, if you don't watch a lot of news, it's just white people in power.
00:08:23.200 And that's what it looked like.
00:08:25.120 So, again, I think there were 10 to 1 white people to black people protesting at CNN, too,
00:08:31.320 based on just looking at the crowd.
00:08:33.000 But I think they all got whipped up into this thought that it's the powerful white people
00:08:40.080 who have, you know, the control of things who are the bad guys.
00:08:44.520 So I think they created themselves as bad guys.
00:08:49.200 Because how else can you explain that they would go after CNN?
00:08:51.840 Now, somebody had a good counter-theory, which is you go where the cameras are.
00:08:57.860 But any place that's populated, that you have a big crowd, the cameras are going to get there.
00:09:03.440 So the CNN thing kind of came from left field, but you can kind of almost understand it.
00:09:09.860 Because they've been actively agitating for a race war without realizing that they might be the victims of it,
00:09:18.580 that people might turn on them.
00:09:20.800 And it looks like at least a little bit that happened.
00:09:25.020 So the president said he's going to treat Hong Kong as part of China and no longer treat it like it's special,
00:09:30.900 which I think is just practical.
00:09:35.480 Well, it's just, unfortunately, there's just nothing anybody can do.
00:09:40.060 There's nothing the United States can do.
00:09:42.180 There's nothing Hong Kong can do.
00:09:44.100 That they're geographically doomed to be controlled by China, and that's what's happening.
00:09:52.320 On a normal day, this would have been the biggest story, but it just gets lost in the shovel,
00:09:57.320 that the actual Flynn phone call transcripts where he was talking to Kislyak, the Russian,
00:10:03.060 and the very thing that got him arrested and convicted, turns out there's no evidence in it.
00:10:11.680 There's no evidence.
00:10:13.280 The thing that got him convicted, when you actually see it, there's no evidence.
00:10:20.760 No evidence of a lie.
00:10:22.720 No evidence of anything.
00:10:24.780 It was just the most normal phone call in the world in which not much happened.
00:10:29.180 That's it.
00:10:29.560 Now that we see the actual words, you can see that the whole thing was a little bit sketchy.
00:10:36.640 It gets sketchier every day.
00:10:38.600 So, there's at least some thought that there's another shoe to drop.
00:10:47.680 I don't want to report that yet, because I won't hear it from other sources.
00:10:50.920 But there's some other really interesting stuff on this story that might be coming out really soon.
00:10:57.500 It might involve some other personalities that are not very popular among Trump people.
00:11:04.600 We'll wait for that.
00:11:05.500 Minnesota governor said today that sunlight is a disinfectant.
00:11:12.580 Which is weird to see a governor suggest that you drink bleach to stop looting.
00:11:19.580 Oh, that's not how you interpret that?
00:11:22.040 I've been trained by CNN to interpret the news this way.
00:11:25.760 Anyway, if a politician says sunlight is a disinfectant, I should translate that into my mind as the governor is recommending that you drink bleach because it would stop looting.
00:11:40.120 Did I do it wrong?
00:11:41.480 I'm pretty sure that's right.
00:11:43.480 I've been watching CNN do this for a long time.
00:11:45.600 I think I got it right.
00:11:46.580 Did you see the video of the guy with the umbrella?
00:11:57.180 This is the best story on the internet.
00:12:01.740 If you haven't seen this yet, you've got a good story to look forward to.
00:12:07.040 Alright, so there's a video of an unidentified tall white guy.
00:12:12.860 You can tell he's white because he turns and looks at you, even though he has a professional gas mask on.
00:12:18.280 But you can see his eyes, so you can tell he's a white guy.
00:12:22.200 He's a big white guy, tall guy, and he's got an umbrella and a hammer.
00:12:29.340 Now here's what's interesting about the guy with the umbrella and the hammer and the full gas mask.
00:12:34.820 And they're all black, so he's completely unidentified.
00:12:38.420 He walks up with his hammer to the AutoZone store, the one you saw burning in Minnesota,
00:12:44.580 and he's the guy who initially knocked down all the windows.
00:12:48.280 So he walks up to it nonchalantly, like he's not even one of the protesters,
00:12:53.780 like he's not even angry about anything, like he has, it's not an act of passion,
00:12:59.640 it's not an act where he got caught up with a crowd.
00:13:02.500 He's all by himself, comes out of the shadows, breaks these windows like, almost like a professional,
00:13:11.500 like he was just doing a job.
00:13:13.520 Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
00:13:15.280 As soon as he breaks a few windows, which history will record, was the beginning of the looting.
00:13:22.740 Because until those windows were broken, I don't believe there was any looting going on.
00:13:29.240 But once they were broken, well, you know, the window's gone.
00:13:33.540 And so the man with the umbrella and the hammer and the gas mask starts walking away.
00:13:42.640 Some of the people who were there, including one, I'm guessing maybe late teenagers, early 20s, something,
00:13:50.240 African-American man tries to stop him and also accuses him of being a cop.
00:13:57.280 So in other words, the locals, the people who were actually protesting,
00:14:02.720 the actual protesters said, wait a minute, you're not one of us.
00:14:08.620 Now, people are saying he's a cop, and I don't think there's evidence of that.
00:14:13.880 But there is certainly evidence that he wanted to start a riot or start some looting.
00:14:20.280 So, why would he have an umbrella?
00:14:24.580 Anybody? Anybody?
00:14:25.900 Why did he have an umbrella?
00:14:28.460 Why did he have an umbrella?
00:14:31.160 If you get why he had an umbrella, you're going to be a lot closer to the answer to the question.
00:14:37.260 Why do you have an umbrella?
00:14:39.140 I'm waiting for somebody in the comments.
00:14:43.300 If you don't know this, you're going to have a surprise coming.
00:14:48.680 Why the umbrella?
00:14:51.280 I'm looking, looking.
00:14:53.180 If you're playing along at home, we're not seeing anybody answering the question.
00:14:57.760 Why the umbrella?
00:15:00.300 Well, I guess you don't know, so I'm going to tell you the answer.
00:15:04.300 It's because of drones and because of security cameras.
00:15:09.920 The umbrella takes care of any drones that could take a picture of his face,
00:15:15.420 as well as any security cameras that might have had a downshot.
00:15:19.240 Now, he's the only one I saw who had a full mask that covered every part of him, including his hair.
00:15:25.740 So he was completely unidentifiable.
00:15:27.740 I don't believe there was any exposed skin except a little bit of his eyeballs, you can see.
00:15:33.840 So the umbrella tells me that this was somebody who was prepared.
00:15:40.180 And he was not prepared like a protester.
00:15:43.540 He was prepared like a person with a specific mission.
00:15:46.740 So, no, I don't think it was to disguise the hammer because the hammer was this big.
00:15:53.100 You know, he could stick it under his coat pretty easily.
00:15:55.500 Yes, so he didn't want to be caught by cameras, and he came prepared for that.
00:16:03.620 Nobody else had an umbrella.
00:16:05.640 There's no protester who had an umbrella.
00:16:08.060 He came to cause some trouble.
00:16:11.060 He seemed a little bit too prepared, meaning he looked like a professional to me.
00:16:16.660 Now, what kind of professional?
00:16:19.980 Intelligence agents from another country?
00:16:23.980 How hard would it be for the Russians to send somebody there?
00:16:28.720 Now, I think that he spoke to the African-American man who was chasing him down to figure out what was going on.
00:16:37.720 I think he talked to him.
00:16:39.420 So at least there's one person who would know if he had an accent, but I don't think he did,
00:16:43.520 because I think we can hear a little bit on the video.
00:16:45.940 So I sounded American.
00:16:49.160 And he did say he was going to take a go at the guy, because he was much bigger than the guy who was chasing him.
00:16:56.060 And then he just walked away.
00:16:58.720 Yeah, he was a professional of some sort.
00:17:02.040 So when you say that there was rioting going on, you can't leave him out of the story.
00:17:08.260 You can't leave him out of the story.
00:17:10.560 He caused it.
00:17:12.780 Who was he?
00:17:13.760 We want to know.
00:17:15.920 All right.
00:17:17.940 That was interesting.
00:17:23.500 There's something good happening and something bad happening at the same time.
00:17:28.720 And I'm going to get into that a little bit.
00:17:30.980 But first, I want to ask you about how confident you are that what you saw on the video of the cop killing George Floyd,
00:17:41.860 how confident are you that what you saw in that video, I mean, you saw it with your own eyes.
00:17:47.620 Lots of people saw it.
00:17:49.060 There were eyewitnesses.
00:17:49.540 How confident are you that what you saw gives you an accurate impression of what happened?
00:17:56.620 Because if you say to yourself, I know what happened because I saw it on video and I saw it with my own eyes, you have learned nothing.
00:18:07.240 You've learned nothing.
00:18:09.120 Where have you been for the last four years?
00:18:11.060 If there's anything that is guaranteed to be true, it's the video lies.
00:18:16.620 Now, did the video lie so much that there was no crime committed?
00:18:21.060 I doubt it because it looked like a crime to me.
00:18:23.840 So I'm going to be very careful when I talk about this next topic because it'll be real easy for somebody to take me out of context.
00:18:31.480 It looked to me like murder.
00:18:32.960 It looked to you like murder.
00:18:36.520 We all think it looked like murder.
00:18:38.880 I think.
00:18:40.800 Then we learned from the autopsy that he didn't die from the knee on his neck.
00:18:47.820 At least that wasn't the single cause.
00:18:50.180 He didn't have a sign of asphyxiation.
00:18:53.220 What?
00:18:53.740 Now, the speculation, subject to more study, is that what killed him was probably some combination of effects.
00:19:04.680 Probably something about the way he was restrained, something about the way they were on top of him,
00:19:10.040 something about the intoxicants, perhaps.
00:19:13.000 We don't know if or what he had in them.
00:19:15.840 Something about underlying conditions.
00:19:17.980 He had a heart condition and hypertension, and it was a tense situation.
00:19:21.540 Maybe all of those things.
00:19:25.120 Maybe it was a combination of all of those things.
00:19:28.240 But apparently he was not asphyxiated or strangled by the knee.
00:19:35.560 They say they can tell.
00:19:37.540 Can they tell?
00:19:38.280 They seem pretty confident about it, but they said they can tell.
00:19:42.280 Now, does the video lie?
00:19:46.040 Well, the video I saw when I made my decision that he was clearly and obviously a murderer
00:19:53.080 murdering a guy right in front of us, the video I saw showed only one person on the suspect.
00:20:00.500 That's the one you saw, too.
00:20:01.920 Just one person.
00:20:03.400 He had his knee on the guy's neck.
00:20:07.240 But then we saw, later we saw a reverse view, and it shows that there were three cops on him.
00:20:12.860 One was on the neck, one was, I think, more on the back, and one was sort of controlling the legs.
00:20:19.460 So that's what we saw.
00:20:21.120 Now, that's very different than one guy on him, right?
00:20:24.920 So if you said to yourself, okay, I saw this video, I'd know exactly what happened.
00:20:30.740 It was that cop.
00:20:32.040 He killed the guy.
00:20:33.580 What you didn't see is right behind the bumper were two other cops on him.
00:20:38.640 What's up with that?
00:20:39.660 Now it gets a little more complicated, because I didn't see that in the first video.
00:20:46.260 Do you know what else you didn't see?
00:20:48.180 You didn't see any video of just before they took him down.
00:20:53.100 You saw the video when he first got out of the car, and you saw the video when it was like
00:20:58.440 a few minutes before the end of the man's life.
00:21:01.320 What you didn't see is why three cops were on top of him.
00:21:05.580 Now, I'm not going to say that excuses anybody.
00:21:09.920 So here's, I'm going to block anybody who imagines that I'm saying the cops are innocent, okay?
00:21:17.780 And I know that's going to happen.
00:21:19.180 Somebody in the comments is going to say, oh, you're saying they're innocent.
00:21:23.440 I'm not saying that.
00:21:24.420 I'm just talking about the facts we know and the facts we don't know.
00:21:27.180 So I will block you the moment you imagine I'm saying that, okay?
00:21:32.840 So, let's look at what we've got here.
00:21:36.700 We're going to the whiteboard.
00:21:38.760 Here's the, here's, I don't know if it's the simulation winking at us, but this might be
00:21:46.500 more good news than bad, what I'm going to show you next.
00:21:49.300 Remember when Kaepernick did his protest and he famously took a knee?
00:21:55.040 And that, of course, created great division in the country.
00:21:58.740 People on the right said, oh, you're disrespecting our country.
00:22:02.540 People on the left said, well, there's a good reason.
00:22:04.940 It's a perfectly legitimate protest.
00:22:07.540 And so there was great division in the country.
00:22:09.740 And so that lasted a while.
00:22:12.240 Never really healed.
00:22:13.600 It was just sort of, we stopped talking about it for a while.
00:22:16.260 Now we have this situation where the policeman kills a black man by putting a knee on his neck.
00:22:24.920 Now, when I tweeted about this, some people thought I was joking.
00:22:29.180 This isn't funny.
00:22:30.880 Why would this be funny?
00:22:32.700 It's murder or something like it.
00:22:35.080 I mean, somebody got killed.
00:22:36.600 Nothing funny about that.
00:22:38.700 It is, however, potentially powerful and powerful in this specific way.
00:22:45.400 That nobody in the world can miss the show.
00:22:50.820 Because the weirdness that's baked into it, that the protest would be taking a knee,
00:22:57.280 and then sort of what I would call the final straw,
00:23:00.560 the moment when every single white person said,
00:23:03.820 oh, okay, that's what you're talking about.
00:23:06.280 Now, some of us were already there, many of us were already there,
00:23:11.300 that the police can sometimes be abusive.
00:23:16.360 We all know that that's true.
00:23:18.860 We hope it's not the majority, but we know it's true.
00:23:22.700 At this point,
00:23:25.000 I think the entire country got, I don't know,
00:23:29.140 red-pilled or white-pilled or whatever pill it is.
00:23:32.200 Because what exactly is going through your head?
00:23:36.260 So here's the question.
00:23:37.620 What is going through your head
00:23:38.920 when you go to protest racial discrimination,
00:23:43.480 especially with the police,
00:23:44.940 and you show up in the city,
00:23:46.700 and there are more white people there to protest with you
00:23:49.740 than there are black people?
00:23:52.620 Now, are you seeing the same thing I'm seeing?
00:23:54.700 There are more white people protesting this latest event
00:24:00.620 than there are black people, I think by a lot.
00:24:04.300 How do you feel if your black lives matter,
00:24:07.780 and you show up and you think it's you against,
00:24:10.540 I don't know, white people?
00:24:12.160 Who do you think is on the other side?
00:24:15.460 Who's on the other side?
00:24:16.840 Because you look around,
00:24:17.980 and the people who are supporting you are all white people.
00:24:19.780 I think this is the point
00:24:22.540 when there's sort of a recognition
00:24:24.640 that this was more a problem about the press,
00:24:28.640 how they whip us into a hysteria,
00:24:30.540 how they frame things,
00:24:31.840 and the police need some help.
00:24:35.080 Now, they may need some help
00:24:36.620 no matter who they're stopping.
00:24:38.060 This doesn't mean they need some help
00:24:39.440 racially specifically,
00:24:42.300 but it does mean
00:24:43.660 that maybe they need a little extra work
00:24:45.760 on making sure that this doesn't happen
00:24:48.480 no matter who gets stopped.
00:24:50.240 But I think there's something magical
00:24:52.740 about the fact
00:24:54.040 that there's this weird coincidence
00:24:56.220 built into the story.
00:24:57.620 I mean, it's a really weird coincidence
00:24:59.080 that a knee,
00:25:01.440 which is so powerful in our minds,
00:25:04.520 you know, the way we think of knees,
00:25:06.260 it has to do with submission,
00:25:07.800 it has to do with, you know,
00:25:09.740 somebody having power over another one.
00:25:12.240 It's just every bad image
00:25:14.260 is sort of baked into knees.
00:25:15.720 So because this is so powerful
00:25:19.160 and because I think the entire country
00:25:21.440 is on the same side,
00:25:23.580 did you see that there were protesters
00:25:25.820 who went to the White House?
00:25:27.940 The president was completely on their side
00:25:31.860 from the jump.
00:25:34.780 There was no hesitation.
00:25:35.920 He was always on the side of the protesters.
00:25:39.300 And in fact, you know,
00:25:40.440 the Department of Justice is acting on it.
00:25:43.920 So who's on the other side?
00:25:47.500 Who's on the other side?
00:25:49.380 There's nobody on the other side.
00:25:51.180 And I think that
00:25:52.000 maybe Kaepernick
00:25:55.180 is the big winner
00:25:56.560 in a weird way.
00:25:58.840 The big winner
00:25:59.760 because he looks right.
00:26:02.880 All right.
00:26:03.140 Now here's the part
00:26:03.780 where I'll get in trouble,
00:26:04.880 but I can't get canceled.
00:26:06.260 So I'm going to do it anyway.
00:26:08.940 As we're trying to figure out
00:26:10.420 what really happened there,
00:26:12.340 I like to build a grid
00:26:14.620 so I can see,
00:26:16.160 I can work through
00:26:17.080 my own thinking about it.
00:26:18.920 So this has more to do
00:26:20.180 with a way of thinking of things.
00:26:22.460 So if the only thing
00:26:23.620 you got out of it is,
00:26:24.820 oh, that's a good way
00:26:26.200 to think of a complicated thing,
00:26:27.540 I might use that myself.
00:26:29.160 And what I do is
00:26:30.020 I just put the three
00:26:31.480 possible explanations,
00:26:34.020 and then I figure out
00:26:36.440 what we know,
00:26:37.340 which of course
00:26:37.860 is changing by the minute.
00:26:39.660 So this of course
00:26:40.560 would have to be updated
00:26:41.860 every five minutes
00:26:42.840 because we're still
00:26:43.560 in the fog of war.
00:26:44.780 But in terms of how
00:26:45.800 you would look at it,
00:26:47.200 this is a good start.
00:26:49.820 So was it something
00:26:50.740 like murder?
00:26:51.900 I guess third degree murder
00:26:53.500 is exactly what
00:26:54.760 he's been charged with
00:26:56.260 in addition to manslaughter.
00:26:58.180 And third degree murder
00:26:59.320 is defined as this
00:27:00.680 in Minnesota.
00:27:01.660 So it's different by state.
00:27:02.680 causing death of a person,
00:27:05.280 and here's the money part,
00:27:07.560 quote,
00:27:07.980 by perpetrating an act
00:27:09.580 eminently dangerous
00:27:10.980 to others
00:27:12.400 and evincing a depraved mind
00:27:15.640 without regard for life
00:27:17.220 and without intent to kill.
00:27:19.860 So it could still be murder
00:27:21.740 even if he didn't mean it.
00:27:25.180 But it would be worse
00:27:27.280 than manslaughter,
00:27:28.440 if I understand this correctly.
00:27:30.040 I could have some
00:27:30.660 of the legalities wrong.
00:27:31.920 But I think
00:27:32.940 manslaughter would be
00:27:34.000 you're just being
00:27:34.780 just an accident
00:27:36.220 that you should have
00:27:36.880 known better.
00:27:38.240 Whereas
00:27:38.680 the third degree murder
00:27:40.420 is a little worse
00:27:42.060 than that.
00:27:43.080 Meaning that
00:27:43.720 not only should it
00:27:44.720 not have happened,
00:27:45.660 not only should you
00:27:46.620 have known better,
00:27:47.560 but there was something
00:27:48.240 about your attitude
00:27:49.200 or your intentions
00:27:50.240 that seemed like
00:27:52.500 you didn't even try.
00:27:54.900 With manslaughter,
00:27:56.180 it's a little bit more
00:27:57.100 like an accident
00:27:57.840 that you should have
00:27:58.680 known better.
00:27:59.160 whereas this one
00:28:00.720 is not an accident
00:28:02.400 necessarily.
00:28:03.660 It's just you didn't care
00:28:04.680 or you just didn't even
00:28:06.420 do the minimum
00:28:07.060 that you needed
00:28:07.660 to keep somebody
00:28:08.520 from dying.
00:28:10.400 All right,
00:28:10.980 so here's what we know.
00:28:12.620 Did the police
00:28:13.400 follow procedures?
00:28:15.900 You would say
00:28:16.800 no, right?
00:28:18.080 Wouldn't you say no?
00:28:18.900 No?
00:28:18.960 I think you might
00:28:21.020 be surprised.
00:28:22.980 If it goes to trial,
00:28:25.280 I think you might
00:28:26.100 be surprised
00:28:27.080 that it's closer
00:28:28.920 to yes.
00:28:30.440 And the only reason
00:28:31.200 I can say that
00:28:32.120 is that the autopsy,
00:28:33.860 at least preliminarily,
00:28:35.860 says he was not killed
00:28:37.100 by the knee on the neck.
00:28:39.020 So if the knee on the neck
00:28:40.500 didn't kill him
00:28:41.620 and there were
00:28:42.980 four officers there,
00:28:45.320 none of them
00:28:45.960 seemed to be protesting
00:28:47.100 what anybody else
00:28:48.140 was doing,
00:28:49.800 that suggests
00:28:50.720 that they probably
00:28:51.760 all thought
00:28:52.200 they were doing
00:28:52.740 something close
00:28:53.640 to the procedure.
00:28:55.140 Now,
00:28:55.580 can you put a knee
00:28:56.620 on somebody's neck
00:28:57.620 and have two other
00:28:59.360 officers hold them down
00:29:00.660 if they were resisting
00:29:01.800 arrest,
00:29:03.280 which, by the way,
00:29:04.360 is not in evidence?
00:29:06.320 So, so far,
00:29:07.380 there's no evidence
00:29:08.420 that George Floyd
00:29:09.920 was resisting arrest.
00:29:11.820 That's not in evidence.
00:29:14.200 But,
00:29:15.220 later if it became
00:29:16.700 in evidence,
00:29:18.140 suppose the missing video,
00:29:20.160 the few minutes,
00:29:20.820 the minute just before
00:29:21.840 the police took him down,
00:29:23.600 suppose we,
00:29:24.560 suppose somebody finds that.
00:29:27.540 And suppose it looked like
00:29:28.680 there was some resisting.
00:29:30.540 If there was resisting,
00:29:32.840 just moments before they,
00:29:34.840 the three of them
00:29:35.540 were trying to hold them down,
00:29:37.880 then it's going to look
00:29:38.860 a lot closer
00:29:39.620 to they followed procedure.
00:29:40.940 because, remember,
00:29:43.260 the knee on the neck
00:29:44.480 didn't kill him.
00:29:46.760 Whatever it was,
00:29:47.860 was probably a combination
00:29:49.100 of things
00:29:50.000 which the police
00:29:51.660 would not necessarily
00:29:53.360 know was happening.
00:29:54.960 Now, the next thing
00:29:55.660 you say to yourself is,
00:29:57.120 but Scott,
00:29:58.260 he was saying,
00:29:59.400 you're killing me.
00:30:00.820 He said it directly,
00:30:02.240 repeatedly.
00:30:03.360 The witnesses heard it.
00:30:04.680 How in the world
00:30:06.760 do the police
00:30:07.580 not give him help
00:30:08.660 when he's saying,
00:30:09.600 I can't breathe,
00:30:10.440 I'm dying?
00:30:12.540 I don't know.
00:30:14.160 But I would ask you this.
00:30:16.180 How often do the police
00:30:17.620 hear that kind of complaint?
00:30:20.320 My guess
00:30:21.180 is that it's common.
00:30:23.540 And maybe they just learn
00:30:25.100 not to take it seriously
00:30:26.240 unless they see
00:30:27.460 a little bit more evidence
00:30:28.660 that it's real.
00:30:29.280 So, suppose they just
00:30:32.720 didn't take it seriously.
00:30:34.580 They didn't kill him
00:30:35.980 by putting their pressure
00:30:37.100 on the neck.
00:30:39.180 This is all just suppose.
00:30:40.840 I'm not saying it's true.
00:30:42.400 Everything could change.
00:30:44.420 It's going to look like
00:30:45.400 maybe they were just dumb.
00:30:48.880 They thought they were
00:30:49.700 following the procedures
00:30:50.660 and they should have been
00:30:51.640 a little bit more aware
00:30:52.840 of the situation.
00:30:54.680 So, it's going to look
00:30:55.960 like stupidity.
00:30:56.740 What about the autopsy?
00:30:59.560 The autopsy seems to have
00:31:00.980 ruled out intentional murder
00:31:02.800 because if it had been
00:31:04.440 intentional murder
00:31:05.340 we would have a specific cause.
00:31:07.400 Oh, you did this.
00:31:09.540 But not necessarily
00:31:10.760 that third degree murder
00:31:11.980 which is more closer
00:31:13.080 to manslaughter.
00:31:14.140 So, is manslaughter ruled out?
00:31:15.680 No.
00:31:16.620 No.
00:31:17.520 Because just because
00:31:18.540 they didn't kill him
00:31:19.660 on the neck part
00:31:20.680 the totality of what
00:31:22.700 they were doing
00:31:23.320 apparently did kill him
00:31:24.700 unless it was
00:31:25.460 the biggest coincidence
00:31:26.320 in the world
00:31:26.940 and he died.
00:31:28.100 Nobody thinks he died
00:31:29.700 just coincidentally
00:31:31.320 at that very moment
00:31:32.240 from natural causes.
00:31:33.940 So, manslaughter is still in
00:31:34.960 and stupidity is still in.
00:31:37.600 What about the fact
00:31:38.780 that they did
00:31:39.400 everything they did
00:31:40.380 in front of witnesses
00:31:41.560 who had phones?
00:31:43.500 If you were planning
00:31:44.780 if your mind was on murder
00:31:47.020 would you do it
00:31:48.440 in front of witnesses
00:31:49.320 casually
00:31:50.820 all four of you
00:31:52.740 casually
00:31:53.520 while they had
00:31:54.660 their phones out?
00:31:56.120 No.
00:31:57.440 No.
00:31:58.320 Not in any world
00:31:59.440 would they be
00:32:00.640 thinking murder.
00:32:02.480 So, I think you
00:32:03.040 could eliminate
00:32:03.580 in fact the charges
00:32:04.660 the charges
00:32:05.740 do not have in them
00:32:06.920 any element
00:32:08.480 of intention.
00:32:10.240 So, intention
00:32:11.160 is not even part
00:32:12.100 of the charges.
00:32:15.000 And then there's
00:32:15.860 this part
00:32:16.960 that we just learned
00:32:17.860 that there were
00:32:18.780 three cops
00:32:19.620 on top of him.
00:32:20.540 why do you
00:32:22.660 ever have
00:32:23.300 three cops
00:32:24.080 on top of you
00:32:25.100 if you are
00:32:26.600 cooperating
00:32:27.500 with the police?
00:32:29.080 Is it because
00:32:29.880 the police
00:32:30.520 like to get
00:32:31.860 on the ground
00:32:32.600 with their
00:32:33.540 clean uniforms?
00:32:35.500 Probably not.
00:32:37.540 There's nobody
00:32:38.360 who wants to be
00:32:38.900 wrestling
00:32:39.420 with a perpetrator's
00:32:40.920 feet
00:32:41.600 on the ground
00:32:43.180 unless they've got
00:32:44.500 a pretty good reason.
00:32:45.920 Right?
00:32:46.020 So, the evidence
00:32:47.900 that we have
00:32:48.660 that there were
00:32:49.840 three cops
00:32:50.560 sitting on top
00:32:51.480 of him
00:32:51.820 neck, back
00:32:52.960 and somebody
00:32:53.480 trying to control
00:32:54.360 his feet
00:32:55.000 strongly suggests
00:32:57.400 that he was
00:32:58.940 not cooperating
00:32:59.980 a moment
00:33:00.820 before them.
00:33:02.400 Now, here's
00:33:03.680 the interesting
00:33:04.740 part
00:33:05.240 to me.
00:33:08.940 And by the way
00:33:09.580 I'll say this
00:33:10.420 every minute
00:33:11.180 or so.
00:33:12.580 It looks like
00:33:13.320 a crime was
00:33:13.980 committed to me
00:33:15.080 I'm just going
00:33:16.800 through what we
00:33:17.420 know and what
00:33:17.860 we don't know.
00:33:18.820 So, don't
00:33:20.180 confuse what we
00:33:21.680 know and what
00:33:22.120 we don't know
00:33:22.600 with my opinion.
00:33:23.520 I'll tell you
00:33:23.940 my opinion.
00:33:25.160 It looks like
00:33:25.740 he was killed.
00:33:29.500 You don't need
00:33:30.380 to explain to me
00:33:31.200 that the totality
00:33:32.480 of what the
00:33:33.080 police did
00:33:33.740 almost certainly
00:33:36.000 contributed to
00:33:36.920 the man's death.
00:33:37.920 I would say
00:33:38.380 something close
00:33:39.480 to 100%
00:33:40.240 certainty
00:33:40.720 because what
00:33:41.460 are the odds
00:33:41.880 he would die
00:33:42.280 by accident
00:33:42.780 just then?
00:33:43.540 And here's
00:33:46.200 my conspiracy
00:33:46.940 theory that
00:33:47.660 I would like
00:33:48.120 to add to
00:33:48.660 it.
00:33:50.800 Do you
00:33:51.380 believe
00:33:51.840 that the
00:33:53.720 video
00:33:54.300 that the
00:33:55.720 one video
00:33:56.300 that's missing
00:33:56.960 is the
00:33:57.800 important one?
00:33:59.220 Well,
00:33:59.580 important to
00:34:00.120 answer the
00:34:00.560 mystery.
00:34:01.540 Why is it
00:34:02.160 that we have
00:34:02.740 good video
00:34:04.000 of before
00:34:05.540 that
00:34:06.060 and we have
00:34:07.480 good video
00:34:08.380 after he's
00:34:09.040 on the ground
00:34:09.860 but the
00:34:11.460 part that
00:34:12.400 caused three
00:34:13.240 police officers
00:34:14.100 to be on
00:34:14.700 top of him
00:34:15.420 we do not
00:34:16.720 have that
00:34:17.180 video.
00:34:18.340 Does that
00:34:19.160 seem like
00:34:19.660 an accident?
00:34:22.620 Let me
00:34:23.280 add this
00:34:24.100 to the
00:34:24.460 conspiracy
00:34:24.920 theory.
00:34:26.300 Just as
00:34:27.340 it is very
00:34:28.080 unlikely
00:34:28.640 that he
00:34:30.900 would have
00:34:31.240 died by
00:34:31.860 natural causes
00:34:32.840 at just that
00:34:33.600 moment when
00:34:34.240 the police
00:34:34.680 are sitting
00:34:35.440 on top of
00:34:36.020 him,
00:34:36.560 nobody believes
00:34:37.280 that because
00:34:38.200 it's just
00:34:38.480 too unlikely.
00:34:40.000 But do
00:34:40.420 you believe
00:34:40.980 that with
00:34:41.340 all the
00:34:41.680 cameras around
00:34:42.540 the only
00:34:43.800 part that
00:34:44.280 we need
00:34:44.660 to know
00:34:45.180 do you
00:34:46.480 believe that
00:34:47.080 that's
00:34:47.380 missing
00:34:47.800 by accident?
00:34:50.880 I'm going
00:34:51.640 to go with
00:34:52.200 this hypothesis.
00:34:54.860 Somebody has
00:34:55.900 that video
00:34:56.500 and they're
00:34:58.100 not showing
00:34:58.760 it to you
00:34:59.220 intentionally
00:34:59.780 because it
00:35:01.220 doesn't fit
00:35:02.040 what they
00:35:02.960 want to
00:35:03.420 happen.
00:35:04.640 I think
00:35:05.360 that video
00:35:06.820 exists
00:35:07.600 and I
00:35:08.940 think
00:35:09.340 somebody
00:35:10.500 doesn't
00:35:10.880 want you
00:35:11.180 to see
00:35:11.460 it.
00:35:12.800 That's
00:35:13.240 what I
00:35:13.480 think.
00:35:15.540 Now,
00:35:16.500 that said,
00:35:17.880 I've never
00:35:18.360 seen the
00:35:18.760 country more
00:35:19.400 unified
00:35:20.060 racially
00:35:20.820 in the
00:35:22.600 sense that
00:35:23.260 everything
00:35:24.540 that Colin
00:35:25.140 Kaepernick
00:35:25.620 was saying,
00:35:27.080 now we
00:35:28.300 feel it
00:35:28.880 in a more
00:35:29.300 visceral
00:35:29.940 way.
00:35:30.940 You kind
00:35:31.520 of knew
00:35:31.960 that there
00:35:32.400 was a
00:35:33.220 problem,
00:35:34.240 but you
00:35:34.580 also thought,
00:35:35.260 well,
00:35:35.440 it must be
00:35:35.880 happening to
00:35:36.400 white people
00:35:37.060 too.
00:35:38.140 It's a
00:35:38.560 police
00:35:38.820 problem.
00:35:39.660 But now
00:35:40.020 that you
00:35:40.360 see it,
00:35:41.940 the visual
00:35:42.820 of watching
00:35:43.620 a man's
00:35:44.180 life being
00:35:44.880 snuffed
00:35:45.260 down by
00:35:45.880 a police
00:35:46.440 officer in
00:35:47.780 what seemed
00:35:48.260 to be
00:35:48.700 complete
00:35:49.320 casual
00:35:49.960 business as
00:35:50.740 usual is
00:35:52.020 so horrifying,
00:35:53.600 just so
00:35:54.060 completely
00:35:54.560 horrifying,
00:35:55.740 that I
00:35:56.800 think it
00:35:58.420 unified us
00:35:59.120 in a weird
00:36:00.160 way.
00:36:01.040 Now,
00:36:01.540 I see some
00:36:02.420 people worried
00:36:03.020 that this is
00:36:03.580 the end of
00:36:04.060 civilization and
00:36:05.280 the riots
00:36:06.160 will go
00:36:06.660 out of
00:36:06.840 control and
00:36:07.560 things are
00:36:08.580 fragile,
00:36:09.240 etc.
00:36:09.620 And I
00:36:09.920 think nothing
00:36:10.360 like that's
00:36:10.900 happening.
00:36:12.060 Nothing like
00:36:12.680 that's
00:36:13.000 happening.
00:36:13.760 If you
00:36:14.360 see a
00:36:16.040 crowd in
00:36:17.120 which it's
00:36:17.500 only black
00:36:18.120 people or
00:36:18.780 only white
00:36:19.320 people,
00:36:20.340 something's
00:36:20.880 happening.
00:36:22.320 That's
00:36:22.860 dangerous.
00:36:24.660 You don't
00:36:25.060 want to see
00:36:25.680 a riot with
00:36:27.760 just one
00:36:28.260 ethnicity.
00:36:29.400 If you see
00:36:29.920 that, you
00:36:30.860 know, you
00:36:31.620 better get a
00:36:32.140 gun and hide
00:36:32.860 in your
00:36:33.120 house.
00:36:34.420 But if
00:36:34.760 you see a
00:36:35.540 multi-ethnic
00:36:36.860 group protesting
00:36:38.800 for more
00:36:41.460 equitable,
00:36:42.660 fair, safer
00:36:43.520 police enforcement
00:36:44.640 and it's
00:36:45.820 completely
00:36:46.260 multi-ethnic,
00:36:48.740 you're closer
00:36:50.100 to a really
00:36:50.800 good thing
00:36:51.440 than a really
00:36:51.920 bad thing.
00:36:53.720 It just
00:36:54.160 doesn't feel
00:36:54.680 like it because
00:36:55.180 the thing's
00:36:55.660 on fire.
00:36:56.540 Now, when
00:36:56.860 you turn on
00:36:57.280 the news,
00:36:58.200 they're going
00:36:58.500 to show that
00:36:58.940 one car that's
00:36:59.780 on fire over
00:37:00.640 and over again
00:37:01.240 because it's
00:37:01.660 the only fire.
00:37:03.280 Gigantic
00:37:03.720 City, one
00:37:05.360 car on fire.
00:37:06.380 What is the
00:37:06.820 news going to
00:37:07.300 be?
00:37:07.860 Let's see how
00:37:08.420 many times we
00:37:09.040 can film this
00:37:09.700 one car on
00:37:10.460 fire from
00:37:10.920 different angles.
00:37:12.040 I hope it
00:37:12.480 keeps burning
00:37:12.980 because it's
00:37:13.440 the only thing
00:37:13.880 interesting.
00:37:14.360 Otherwise, it's
00:37:14.820 just people
00:37:15.180 standing around.
00:37:16.180 Give me the
00:37:16.560 car on fire.
00:37:18.120 So, the
00:37:18.840 first thing you
00:37:19.320 need to know
00:37:19.760 is that we're
00:37:20.220 being fed a
00:37:20.900 diet of way
00:37:22.760 more danger
00:37:24.060 than is actually
00:37:25.020 there because
00:37:25.600 those are the
00:37:26.060 interesting things.
00:37:27.280 So, of course,
00:37:28.220 we see them.
00:37:29.700 The other thing
00:37:30.660 you need to
00:37:31.100 know is that I
00:37:32.660 would say at
00:37:33.320 least 40 to
00:37:36.200 60 percent of
00:37:37.300 everything you
00:37:38.000 see is probably
00:37:40.500 because of the
00:37:41.580 lockdown and
00:37:43.000 because the
00:37:43.520 weather turned
00:37:44.040 good.
00:37:45.080 People were
00:37:46.520 anxious and
00:37:49.500 angry and
00:37:51.360 frustrated, and
00:37:53.960 then warm weather
00:37:54.900 came.
00:37:55.240 they finally
00:37:57.340 said, what can
00:37:59.340 I do today?
00:38:00.160 Will I go to
00:38:00.820 a restaurant?
00:38:01.720 No.
00:38:02.080 Will I go to
00:38:02.740 the club?
00:38:03.460 No.
00:38:03.960 Will I go to
00:38:04.580 a bar?
00:38:05.260 No.
00:38:06.040 Can I hang
00:38:06.640 out and have a
00:38:07.260 house party?
00:38:08.100 No.
00:38:09.320 What if I have
00:38:10.240 a riot?
00:38:12.640 Can't stop a
00:38:13.420 riot.
00:38:14.500 You could call
00:38:15.060 it a protest.
00:38:16.360 Same thing.
00:38:17.540 It's hard to
00:38:18.260 stop.
00:38:18.640 If you get
00:38:19.040 enough people,
00:38:20.940 nobody's going
00:38:21.580 to stop you.
00:38:22.120 So I think
00:38:23.180 that the way
00:38:23.600 this has to
00:38:24.140 be looked at
00:38:24.680 is it's kind
00:38:26.400 of emotionally
00:38:27.500 there are two
00:38:29.060 things that
00:38:29.780 kind of collided.
00:38:31.860 Emotionally, the
00:38:32.600 video of, you
00:38:34.280 know, George
00:38:34.760 Floyd being
00:38:35.540 killed is, of
00:38:37.360 course, the big
00:38:37.940 topic, but the
00:38:40.020 way we feel
00:38:40.940 about everything,
00:38:42.660 whether it was
00:38:43.380 this story or
00:38:44.080 some other
00:38:44.540 trigger, the way
00:38:45.540 we feel about
00:38:46.100 everything is
00:38:46.740 just a little
00:38:48.320 extra weight on
00:38:52.060 it because
00:38:53.400 we've been
00:38:54.600 locked up and
00:38:55.320 we just need
00:38:56.280 to get out.
00:38:58.960 So I would
00:39:00.000 not expect this
00:39:00.720 to be a
00:39:01.160 permanent situation
00:39:01.980 because, number
00:39:02.880 one, everybody
00:39:04.240 agrees.
00:39:05.840 Everybody agrees.
00:39:07.480 Who exactly are
00:39:08.420 they protesting?
00:39:09.700 Are they
00:39:10.100 protesting the
00:39:11.060 governor of
00:39:12.540 Minnesota?
00:39:13.200 No.
00:39:14.000 He wants those
00:39:14.640 guys in jail.
00:39:15.760 Are they
00:39:16.040 protesting the
00:39:17.460 legal system?
00:39:18.800 No.
00:39:19.320 They've already
00:39:19.820 arrested that
00:39:20.420 guy.
00:39:20.600 Are they
00:39:21.520 protesting the
00:39:22.420 court decision?
00:39:23.520 No.
00:39:23.860 It hasn't
00:39:24.120 happened.
00:39:24.860 Are they
00:39:25.180 protesting the
00:39:25.920 president?
00:39:26.420 No.
00:39:26.980 He agrees with
00:39:27.760 them so hard
00:39:28.560 that I think it
00:39:29.360 confuses them.
00:39:30.920 Who are they
00:39:31.620 protesting?
00:39:32.860 Now, of course,
00:39:34.160 they're protesting,
00:39:35.420 you know, I guess,
00:39:37.020 institutional racism.
00:39:38.720 They're protesting
00:39:39.340 maybe some
00:39:40.540 tendencies, some
00:39:41.640 human biases.
00:39:42.940 But what are you
00:39:43.580 going to do about
00:39:44.180 that?
00:39:45.080 What are you
00:39:45.420 going to do
00:39:45.720 about it?
00:39:46.780 I mean, I do
00:39:47.520 think there are
00:39:48.020 lots of ways you
00:39:48.680 can improve
00:39:49.300 police work.
00:39:51.260 You should
00:39:51.560 certainly have
00:39:52.240 them, they
00:39:52.800 should all have
00:39:53.220 body cams at
00:39:54.160 the very least.
00:39:55.240 That's the least
00:39:55.880 they should have
00:39:56.580 is body cams.
00:39:57.840 Maybe they need
00:39:58.600 to revise some
00:39:59.440 rules because it's
00:40:01.660 not the first time
00:40:02.460 a black man has
00:40:03.260 died screaming for
00:40:05.000 medical care.
00:40:06.380 If this had been
00:40:07.280 the first and only
00:40:08.240 time a black man
00:40:10.000 had died while
00:40:11.400 begging for medical
00:40:13.040 care, then you'd
00:40:15.020 say, oh, it's
00:40:15.360 just a one-off
00:40:16.140 mistake.
00:40:16.940 It's terrible, it's
00:40:17.720 a tragedy, but we
00:40:19.040 don't need to fix
00:40:19.760 anything because it
00:40:20.980 just happened that
00:40:21.520 one time.
00:40:22.640 But it's not one
00:40:23.720 time.
00:40:24.820 It's not one
00:40:25.420 time.
00:40:26.720 How many cases
00:40:27.880 have you heard of?
00:40:28.540 Three or four now?
00:40:30.320 Where it sounds a
00:40:31.460 lot the same.
00:40:32.880 So maybe there is
00:40:34.140 some other process.
00:40:35.360 Let me give you my
00:40:36.800 recommendation that I
00:40:37.860 gave to Black Lives
00:40:38.760 Matter a few years
00:40:40.360 ago when something
00:40:41.460 like this was coming
00:40:42.360 up.
00:40:42.720 Here's my
00:40:43.080 recommendation for a
00:40:44.240 change in the
00:40:45.680 police procedure.
00:40:46.940 And it goes like
00:40:48.980 this.
00:40:49.980 If your suspect
00:40:52.200 claims a medical
00:40:53.680 problem, and as
00:40:55.600 long as you have
00:40:56.220 control of him, so
00:40:57.320 it's not a dangerous
00:40:58.060 situation, you will
00:40:59.720 immediately call your
00:41:01.820 telehealth doctor and
00:41:04.020 say, hey, telehealth
00:41:05.160 doctor, I've got a
00:41:06.840 suspect, he's in
00:41:07.920 handcuffs, he's
00:41:09.080 complaining of
00:41:09.840 breathing problems or
00:41:11.020 whatever, can you talk
00:41:12.660 to me and him at the
00:41:13.480 same time to see if
00:41:14.760 this is real?
00:41:15.320 And the doctor gets
00:41:16.880 on and says, you
00:41:17.740 know, can you tell
00:41:18.680 me what's going on?
00:41:20.480 And then the doctor
00:41:22.280 recommends, do you
00:41:25.180 take him to the
00:41:25.820 hospital right away, do
00:41:26.960 you treat him in some
00:41:27.800 specific way, or does
00:41:29.620 the doctor say, it
00:41:31.040 looks like this could
00:41:31.820 wait?
00:41:33.380 But, if you put it
00:41:34.980 off on the doctor, it's
00:41:37.120 a little bit harder to
00:41:38.240 protest if things go
00:41:39.420 wrong, because we
00:41:40.840 accept the doctors
00:41:41.760 don't get it right
00:41:42.420 every time.
00:41:42.880 That's sort of built
00:41:44.080 into our understanding
00:41:45.140 of healthcare, is
00:41:46.580 that doctors don't
00:41:47.520 get it right every
00:41:48.120 time.
00:41:48.860 So now that you can
00:41:49.680 call a doctor on a
00:41:51.000 video by the device
00:41:53.580 in your pocket, and
00:41:55.340 you can thank the
00:41:57.440 people who are
00:41:57.940 watching this
00:41:58.600 periscope for the
00:42:01.180 fact that at least
00:42:02.980 we were part of the
00:42:03.880 push to make it
00:42:05.260 legal for telehealth,
00:42:06.700 you know, the
00:42:07.020 online doctors to
00:42:08.000 practice across state
00:42:09.340 borders, which makes
00:42:10.780 it viable for the
00:42:11.600 first time.
00:42:12.880 So I say just go
00:42:15.100 with the obvious.
00:42:16.280 Phone a doctor, you
00:42:17.220 should have one who's
00:42:18.060 always available just
00:42:19.220 for this, somebody
00:42:20.660 who's, you know,
00:42:21.500 seen, let's say
00:42:22.700 somebody who's seen
00:42:23.400 police work enough
00:42:24.460 that they also have
00:42:26.120 an understanding that
00:42:27.020 the perpetrators
00:42:27.800 sometimes tell stories.
00:42:29.500 That would be good
00:42:30.440 background for the
00:42:31.240 doctor that they use.
00:42:33.080 So, now, would that
00:42:34.500 work?
00:42:35.660 Maybe not.
00:42:37.120 Maybe that wouldn't
00:42:37.920 work by itself to make
00:42:39.540 everything better.
00:42:40.260 But there are other
00:42:41.700 little tweaks you can
00:42:42.680 make.
00:42:43.180 For example, you
00:42:44.540 could increase the
00:42:47.300 penalty for falsifying
00:42:48.920 a police report.
00:42:50.320 I think that was one
00:42:51.120 of Black Lives Matter
00:42:51.900 suggestions as well.
00:42:53.140 To which I say, I
00:42:55.280 wouldn't object to
00:42:56.080 that.
00:42:56.820 Would you?
00:42:57.560 Would you object to
00:43:00.120 increasing the
00:43:00.940 penalty for falsifying
00:43:02.920 a police report by
00:43:04.240 the police if they did
00:43:06.000 something bad and
00:43:06.900 they're just covering
00:43:07.500 it up with their
00:43:08.660 police report?
00:43:10.260 I don't think I
00:43:11.120 would disagree with
00:43:11.820 that.
00:43:12.560 So, I think you
00:43:13.520 would find that there
00:43:14.600 are a lot of things
00:43:15.280 that would work for
00:43:16.240 Colin Kaepernick, a
00:43:18.000 lot of things that
00:43:18.640 would work for Black
00:43:19.600 Lives Matter, that
00:43:21.000 somebody like
00:43:21.640 President Trump or
00:43:22.740 any like-minded
00:43:23.580 governors or mayors
00:43:24.960 wherever these
00:43:25.500 decisions need to be
00:43:26.500 made could simply
00:43:28.040 say, let's try it.
00:43:31.160 Here's one.
00:43:32.400 Not all of the
00:43:33.360 police have body
00:43:35.080 cams.
00:43:35.560 And the reason is
00:43:36.540 primarily, primarily
00:43:38.880 budget.
00:43:40.900 So, just suppose, I'll
00:43:42.660 just put this out
00:43:43.440 there, suppose the
00:43:44.260 President of the
00:43:44.800 United States said
00:43:45.720 that there's, this is
00:43:49.100 no longer just a
00:43:50.180 state problem because
00:43:52.020 we have a racism
00:43:53.480 concern.
00:43:55.520 And that's federal.
00:43:57.060 So, the President
00:43:57.900 could easily say,
00:43:59.220 because we have a
00:43:59.840 history of this, that
00:44:01.200 states can't get away
00:44:02.660 with discriminating.
00:44:03.660 And if the reason
00:44:04.900 they're getting away
00:44:05.560 with it is that they
00:44:06.300 have a budget problem,
00:44:07.600 I'm going to solve
00:44:08.760 that, but I'm going
00:44:09.760 to make the budget
00:44:10.420 available that they
00:44:11.220 can all buy body
00:44:12.020 cams.
00:44:13.160 If the President of
00:44:14.300 the United States,
00:44:15.000 especially this
00:44:15.640 President, if Trump
00:44:17.380 said, here's a
00:44:19.360 billion dollars, I'm
00:44:20.300 going to put this
00:44:20.800 bill through Congress,
00:44:22.460 it's a billion dollars
00:44:23.480 and it's nothing
00:44:24.660 except buying body
00:44:25.740 cams.
00:44:26.900 Because we want to
00:44:28.060 reduce this problem
00:44:29.820 in every way we can.
00:44:31.440 That's just one of the
00:44:32.400 things we could do.
00:44:33.620 Maybe he could do
00:44:34.500 an executive order
00:44:35.440 that would be like
00:44:36.500 a suggestion to
00:44:37.500 the states to make
00:44:39.200 falsifying a police
00:44:40.600 report more of a
00:44:41.940 penalty.
00:44:42.720 He could suggest
00:44:43.480 that.
00:44:43.780 They'd still have to
00:44:44.400 do it at a state
00:44:45.120 level.
00:44:46.180 So anyway, the point
00:44:46.920 is, there are very
00:44:48.280 practical things which
00:44:49.900 smart people have
00:44:50.840 worked out that are
00:44:52.240 worth trying.
00:44:53.460 If you don't, if
00:44:55.080 you don't try, then
00:44:57.200 it cannot be said
00:44:58.360 that you're valuing
00:44:59.480 black lives or any
00:45:00.480 other lives.
00:45:01.060 If you don't try, of
00:45:03.340 course you should try.
00:45:04.940 What are we doing?
00:45:06.460 So you've got, you've
00:45:07.600 got protesters in the
00:45:09.120 streets of, you know,
00:45:10.500 a bunch of major
00:45:11.240 cities.
00:45:11.860 It's the biggest story
00:45:13.060 going.
00:45:13.520 They're destroying
00:45:14.080 property.
00:45:15.280 You know, it's just a
00:45:16.320 horrible situation.
00:45:18.200 But what's, what's
00:45:19.860 anybody doing?
00:45:21.320 What are the
00:45:22.020 suggestions?
00:45:23.160 I think the president
00:45:24.320 could just say, look,
00:45:25.900 I haven't heard any
00:45:27.020 good suggestions, but I'm
00:45:28.220 going to do these
00:45:28.820 things.
00:45:29.220 I'm going to fund
00:45:30.980 the body cams.
00:45:32.120 I'm going to, you
00:45:33.160 know, make sure that
00:45:34.080 the, you know,
00:45:35.160 recommend that they
00:45:36.020 toughen the laws on
00:45:37.060 something.
00:45:37.980 And, or, and I, I
00:45:39.620 could recommend that
00:45:40.440 they have a doctor
00:45:41.480 opinion if somebody
00:45:42.580 says that they can't
00:45:43.520 breathe.
00:45:44.080 So that's three very
00:45:45.620 specific things that
00:45:47.720 you could just put out
00:45:48.480 there and say, let's
00:45:49.240 try this.
00:45:50.140 Let's just try it.
00:45:51.000 All right.
00:45:55.900 So that's the, that's
00:45:59.700 where I'm at with all
00:46:00.520 this stuff.
00:46:02.540 Again, I want to assure
00:46:05.720 everybody who's watching
00:46:06.880 this, I've never seen the
00:46:09.720 public of the United
00:46:10.860 States this unified.
00:46:12.720 And the only reason
00:46:14.440 that we're not talking
00:46:15.260 about that is because
00:46:17.500 the news is telling
00:46:19.020 you it's not.
00:46:20.340 The news is still
00:46:21.920 telling you we're not
00:46:22.820 unified.
00:46:23.880 We could not be more
00:46:25.660 unified on this
00:46:27.000 question.
00:46:28.320 We couldn't be.
00:46:30.020 Because you know
00:46:30.760 what?
00:46:31.460 I don't even think
00:46:32.760 Colin Kaepernick wants
00:46:34.700 to disrespect the
00:46:35.920 country.
00:46:37.060 I think he wants the
00:46:38.340 country just to do
00:46:39.280 better.
00:46:40.740 Now, I realize that's a
00:46:42.160 generous interpretation.
00:46:44.360 But I think it's a good
00:46:45.500 time to be generous.
00:46:47.300 It's a good time to be
00:46:48.220 generous.
00:46:49.280 So I, so I, my, my
00:46:51.300 take on Kaepernick from
00:46:52.540 the beginning is that he
00:46:54.240 was very effective.
00:46:56.020 And so I, I praised him
00:46:57.520 for his effectiveness
00:46:58.420 even if he didn't like the
00:47:00.720 fact that he didn't have
00:47:01.420 any specific suggestions
00:47:02.680 to fix anything.
00:47:03.600 And I don't think he
00:47:04.220 did.
00:47:04.400 So I still respect him
00:47:06.640 for the message and for
00:47:08.180 the effectiveness of it.
00:47:09.520 And because it's
00:47:10.300 something that a great,
00:47:12.220 a great deal, many of
00:47:13.760 my fellow Americans are
00:47:16.320 concerned about.
00:47:17.120 And that's good enough
00:47:17.720 for me.
00:47:18.440 If there are a lot of
00:47:19.600 Americans who are deeply,
00:47:21.420 deeply, deeply concerned
00:47:23.560 about this issue, I'm not
00:47:25.640 going to talk them out of
00:47:26.520 it.
00:47:27.400 I'm not going to tell
00:47:28.100 them, you know, you
00:47:29.020 should look at it
00:47:29.660 differently.
00:47:30.640 Shouldn't think of it
00:47:31.420 that way.
00:47:32.080 It's not that big of a
00:47:32.920 problem.
00:47:33.040 I'm not going to do that.
00:47:34.400 But the fact is that
00:47:36.260 there's a gigantic
00:47:37.100 percentage, I don't know
00:47:38.860 the percentage, but it's
00:47:39.700 a big percentage, of the
00:47:41.620 population who's got real
00:47:42.860 pain, real concern, you
00:47:44.700 know, a real, a real
00:47:46.120 issue.
00:47:47.160 This is as real as it
00:47:48.400 gets.
00:47:49.140 If the police are, if you
00:47:50.420 think the police are
00:47:51.220 killing you because of the
00:47:52.180 way you look, that's, that's
00:47:55.060 a 10 out of 10.
00:47:56.620 You know, how do you live
00:47:57.340 in that country?
00:47:57.920 So I can assure you, I get
00:48:01.280 that, and I understand that
00:48:02.620 that's the reality.
00:48:04.700 Now, you can try to argue
00:48:06.660 it away and say, well, you
00:48:08.060 know, white people get
00:48:08.980 killed too, and it's not
00:48:10.180 really racial and stuff like
00:48:11.380 that.
00:48:11.780 But the lived truth is that
00:48:15.600 they've got this extra risk.
00:48:18.680 And I think you have to deal
00:48:21.140 with it as a lived truth, which
00:48:24.000 is a good, I love that phrase,
00:48:25.440 by the way, because it gets
00:48:27.080 to the fact that reality is
00:48:28.460 subjective, and nothing could
00:48:31.200 be more subjective than this
00:48:32.620 situation.
00:48:33.580 The way everybody feels about
00:48:34.900 it is really a reflection of
00:48:36.800 their own life and things
00:48:37.780 that have happened to them
00:48:38.620 and who they are and all
00:48:39.500 that.
00:48:40.820 All right.
00:48:43.100 Did we talk stupid protests
00:48:45.160 yet?
00:48:46.540 Well, this is the reason that
00:48:49.000 I think the protests have as
00:48:51.260 much to do with the lockdown
00:48:53.620 plus the good weather.
00:48:55.440 because, as I said, they
00:48:57.360 don't know who to protest
00:48:58.640 because nobody's on the other
00:49:00.240 side.
00:49:01.660 And by the way, am I the only
00:49:03.680 person saying this?
00:49:05.160 Is there anybody else in the
00:49:07.120 media, the punditry, on social
00:49:09.080 media, is there anybody else
00:49:10.760 who's pointing out what I am,
00:49:12.780 which is that this is being
00:49:14.040 looked at backwards?
00:49:15.080 This is the most unifying event
00:49:18.340 in the history of the United
00:49:20.220 States, since Pearl Harbor?
00:49:24.520 Maybe 9-11.
00:49:28.100 I don't think racially we've ever
00:49:30.580 been more on the same side.
00:49:32.320 And we should be celebrating
00:49:33.420 that.
00:49:34.300 We are so on the same side.
00:49:37.000 Turn on CNN.
00:49:39.920 It looks like it's basically the
00:49:42.860 same story on Fox News.
00:49:44.800 How often does that happen?
00:49:47.600 Now, the difference, of course,
00:49:49.480 is that CNN is blaming the
00:49:50.940 president for being a racist,
00:49:52.420 and therefore it's all his
00:49:53.520 fault.
00:49:53.900 They've turned it into this
00:49:54.800 ridiculous political thing,
00:49:56.920 when in fact the biggest story
00:49:59.100 in the world is unfolding right
00:50:00.780 in front of us, and it's
00:50:01.720 invisible.
00:50:02.740 It's literally invisible.
00:50:04.960 The most unifying situation
00:50:07.440 we've ever had socially, and
00:50:11.220 it's invisible.
00:50:11.980 Why?
00:50:13.760 Because the media has the
00:50:16.020 public hypnotized by their
00:50:17.900 framing of things, and they
00:50:19.760 have framed this as a problem
00:50:22.600 with racial inequality.
00:50:24.560 It's exactly the opposite.
00:50:27.320 Now, independent of what those
00:50:29.380 individual cops were thinking
00:50:30.680 in their head, we don't know
00:50:31.660 that, but we're not talking
00:50:33.280 about individuals.
00:50:34.920 I'm talking about tens of
00:50:37.060 thousands of people in the
00:50:38.320 street.
00:50:39.260 Just look at the video.
00:50:40.340 All racial groups, all
00:50:43.360 genders, gay, straight, it's
00:50:46.480 the most unifying thing we've
00:50:48.660 ever experienced.
00:50:50.540 Thank you for reminding me
00:50:51.920 that Van Jones, the way that
00:50:54.720 he's characterized this, as he
00:50:57.160 said, if you're looking for
00:50:58.860 racism in, you know, Trump's,
00:51:00.880 I'll paraphrase, so he said it
00:51:02.580 better, but basically saying,
00:51:04.760 you know, it's not, it's not
00:51:06.040 the racists who are like the
00:51:07.900 real legitimate racists that
00:51:10.600 are all the problem, but
00:51:13.200 rather, it's the people who
00:51:15.220 think they're good people and
00:51:16.580 vote for Democrats, but then
00:51:19.420 when you approach them in the
00:51:21.680 park with your dog, suddenly
00:51:23.620 they turn into raging racists.
00:51:26.240 And Van Jones, quite
00:51:27.860 insightfully, is saying, maybe
00:51:30.080 the problem isn't this group,
00:51:32.080 maybe the problem is
00:51:34.480 people, maybe the problem is
00:51:36.960 people, and if we stop, you
00:51:39.160 know, slicing it into this kind
00:51:40.920 of people or this kind of
00:51:41.840 people and just say, maybe we're
00:51:43.980 just a biased, discriminating,
00:51:47.780 prejudiced people.
00:51:50.300 Now, my take on this is that
00:51:53.020 that's how the brain works.
00:51:55.040 Your brain is a pattern, your
00:51:57.440 pattern recognition machine.
00:51:59.020 It operates on patterns.
00:52:00.700 Oh, I've seen this before, this
00:52:02.500 worked before, this didn't work
00:52:04.060 before, I'll do what worked
00:52:05.340 before.
00:52:06.120 It's all patterns.
00:52:07.440 The trouble is, we're really
00:52:08.920 bad at it.
00:52:10.080 So we have a pattern
00:52:11.300 recognition machine in our
00:52:12.700 head that makes all our
00:52:13.700 decisions, and it's not good at
00:52:15.660 recognizing patterns.
00:52:17.580 That couldn't be worse, but it
00:52:19.340 is the situation we're in.
00:52:21.720 And prejudice and bias is all
00:52:25.680 based on the fact that you've
00:52:26.760 got a pattern recognition
00:52:27.880 machine, and you've got a bad
00:52:29.940 pattern in there.
00:52:31.420 Now, if you have a good
00:52:32.240 pattern in there, you're
00:52:33.400 actually able to predict the
00:52:34.580 future.
00:52:35.280 Oh, every time I see this
00:52:37.100 situation, this happens.
00:52:39.160 So that's what a good pattern
00:52:40.360 can do for you.
00:52:41.580 A bad pattern says, oh, every
00:52:43.200 time I see an Elbonian wearing
00:52:44.700 a hat, he's going to punch me
00:52:46.600 in the face, because the last
00:52:48.040 three Elbonians wearing a hat
00:52:49.780 punched me in the face.
00:52:51.260 Or worse, worse, I've never
00:52:54.300 been punched in the face by an
00:52:55.620 Elbonian, but I was raised to
00:52:58.200 think that they punch you in
00:52:59.200 the face.
00:52:59.980 Now, that would be a bad
00:53:02.700 pattern, assuming that Elbonians
00:53:04.840 do not punch people in the face
00:53:06.220 more than the average.
00:53:07.320 That would be a pattern that's
00:53:08.640 just a faulty pattern.
00:53:10.600 So what do you do when people
00:53:12.440 are naturally pattern recognition
00:53:14.640 machines, and they're not good
00:53:16.320 at it?
00:53:17.640 I think that's what you have to
00:53:19.200 deal with.
00:53:20.360 You should deal with the fact
00:53:22.040 that we're all biased by design.
00:53:25.200 You can't be unbiased.
00:53:27.980 Anybody who tells you that they
00:53:29.340 don't have bias, they're just
00:53:31.520 lying.
00:53:32.260 They're just liars.
00:53:33.620 Now, I think you can love
00:53:34.760 somebody at the same time you
00:53:36.500 have bias.
00:53:37.300 I think you can rise above your
00:53:39.880 bias.
00:53:40.820 I think you can say to yourself,
00:53:42.160 okay, I don't have a good
00:53:44.000 feeling about this for whatever
00:53:45.480 biased reason, but I'm going to
00:53:47.620 give everybody a fair chance.
00:53:50.020 I'm going to look at the resume.
00:53:51.520 I'm not going to look at the skin
00:53:53.160 color.
00:53:53.460 I'm going to look at what you
00:53:55.320 can do, how you did in the
00:53:56.860 interview.
00:53:57.360 I'm not going to look at your
00:53:58.100 gender, etc.
00:54:00.620 So I think we should maybe just
00:54:03.300 accept that being biased in every
00:54:06.540 possible way, whether it's
00:54:07.900 ethnically or politically,
00:54:09.980 anything.
00:54:10.680 That's just who we are.
00:54:12.980 And I don't think we should
00:54:14.980 pretend.
00:54:16.520 See, the worst thing we do is
00:54:18.120 pretend there are people who are
00:54:19.180 not that person.
00:54:20.200 That just doesn't exist.
00:54:23.840 There are people who can overcome
00:54:25.520 their bias, but there are no people
00:54:27.680 who don't have bias.
00:54:28.800 That's just not possible.
00:54:31.700 Somebody says it works both ways,
00:54:33.700 Scott.
00:54:34.000 Of course it does.
00:54:35.240 What I'm talking about is people.
00:54:37.700 So, of course, it would work in every
00:54:39.720 direction.
00:54:40.120 Totally agree, but that's not the name
00:54:46.420 of the game.
00:54:47.140 Yeah, obviously the name of the game
00:54:50.340 is politics and power.
00:54:52.980 So people will make claims that are
00:54:55.040 not true.
00:54:55.760 But the trouble is the public believes
00:54:57.560 them.
00:54:58.400 It's one thing.
00:54:59.160 I'm saying, oh, I'm glad I lifted
00:55:02.320 your spirits, Kathy.
00:55:07.020 Yeah, I've said before that we can't
00:55:09.980 tell the difference between being on
00:55:12.420 the edge of doom and being on the edge
00:55:15.040 of greatness.
00:55:16.040 It looks the same.
00:55:18.440 Being right on the edge of the worst
00:55:20.140 day you're ever going to have and being
00:55:22.300 right on the edge of the best day you
00:55:25.120 ever have can look identical.
00:55:27.340 So when we're focusing on these riots,
00:55:30.940 et cetera, we're just being blinded to
00:55:32.580 the fact that there's nobody on the
00:55:35.200 other side.
00:55:36.960 I don't know how many times I could say
00:55:38.680 that and still be the only person who
00:55:41.120 says it.
00:55:42.040 There's no one on the other side.
00:55:44.320 There's no one on the other side.
00:55:46.580 When do we realize that?
00:55:48.540 There's no one on the other side.
00:55:50.820 It'll be okay.
00:55:52.700 If there was someone on the other side,
00:55:55.360 maybe it wouldn't be okay.
00:55:56.460 But there's no one on the other side.
00:55:59.280 We're all in this together,
00:56:01.180 completely on the same page.
00:56:03.400 Now we've got some facts that we'll find
00:56:05.280 out and maybe later that will split us up.
00:56:08.520 But at the moment,
00:56:10.260 we're pretty good.
00:56:12.940 All right.
00:56:13.700 That's all I've got for now.
00:56:15.020 I will leave you with that positive thought
00:56:16.580 and I will talk to you in the morning.
00:56:18.100 There will probably be 10 new headline
00:56:19.920 stories by then because it's that kind
00:56:22.460 of a month.
00:56:23.560 I'll see you then.
00:56:24.200 I'll see you then.
00:56:25.200 I'll see you then.
00:56:26.080 I'll see you then.