Episode 1044 Scott Adams: Special Guest Carson Griffith and Lots About the Protests and Biden
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Summary
On today's episode of Coffee with Scott Adams, host Scott Adams is joined by a special guest, Carson Griffith, to talk about why she's suing the Daily Beast for defamation, and why she thinks they should have been fired.
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Hey everybody, come on in, it's time for Coffee with Scott Adams.
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The best part of the day, every single time, and this will be no exception.
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Today we've got a special guest that didn't work yesterday, but I think I have my technical
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issues worked out, and we'll bring her on in a moment.
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But first, you know what happens first, I think you do.
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So, it's called the Simultaneous Sip, what do you need to do it?
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vessel of any kind, fill it with your favorite liquid, I like, coffee.
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And join me now for the unparalleled pleasure, the dopamine hit of the day, the thing that
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makes everything better, it's called the Simultaneous Sip, and it happens now, go.
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So, well, with no further ado, let me see if I can bring on my guest, Carson, and watch
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So, this is Carson Griffith, and you've got a story that I know my audience would like
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And let me just set you up with this question, and then give us the lay of the land.
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And the question is, who are you suing, and why?
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Okay, well, this can be a long answer or a short answer, so I'll try to keep it short.
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Give us the overview first, and then we'll dig down a little bit.
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So, I'm suing the Daily Beast for defamation, specifically because they accused me of being
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And they accused you of that based on what evidence, according to them?
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So, the writer, his name's Max Baltani, his main source was a former employee of mine
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And who made the accusation, and was there any evidence that they offered?
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Yeah, so, the accusation was made by two of my former employees, and I use that word loosely
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And what evidence did they offer of your awfulness?
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They gave some slack conversations, and then also just stories that they told him.
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And were the stories or the conversations real?
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The defamation, I'm not just, this isn't a lawsuit.
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Scott, as you know, I was, I'm not quite sure if I'm saying I was a journalist or I am
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So, I definitely know ethical journalism practices.
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This isn't just me being like, hey, guys, I'm mad that they wrote a mean article about
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This is an article that is definitely not just unethical journalism practices.
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And we know that because they could have, they could have wrote a similar article, which
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has still been quite weird because I'm a private citizen, and included 50% of the information,
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So, what would, give us the example of what they said that was based on a fact that is
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For instance, one of the, one of the girls in the article said that in the interview I
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did with her, she said, I don't have it right in front of me.
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She said, oh, I, she claimed, her name's Anna Breslau, that I said during her job interview
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process, oh, I have a snack in my pocket from the office.
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That's so poor person of me, which she said, that was supposed to be an elitist, classist
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They also tried, I'm sorry, they also tried to get me on classism, which they said was,
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you know, they tried to paint a full, full rounded picture of me.
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Um, and not only did I never make that comment, they didn't have a second source for it.
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And my, my point was, you know, you never called me for comment on this article.
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And also, why would you take the job if I said that during a job interview?
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Now, the, you're talking about the, this is the Daily Beast writing about you, correct?
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So, I mean, kind of, kind of to bring it back at.
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Now, let me, let me, let me just connect a couple of dots, because my audience heard
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yesterday about, uh, Van Jones talking about the Daily Beast, writing a story about him
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meeting with the president on the, on the crime bill.
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And Van Jones said, nope, was never even in the building.
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Wasn't, it wasn't in the meetings, wasn't physically there.
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So, the Daily Beast, we do know, literally just makes stuff up.
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Now, you've got an employee who literally just made up a quote, which they ran with, right?
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Because the examples are what brings it to life.
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They provided some slack conversations for the article and said, here are some things that
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And one of those things was, I asked them if an interviewee was a girl or a boy who they
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Pilot used to be a she, but now goes by they, them pronouns.
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And I said, okay, I think you told me that, but I wasn't sure, thanks.
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And they said, because when I asked the question, I said, LOL, is Pilot a girl or a boy?
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The LOL applied to something I said previously, but because I put the LOL first, I had never
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So, the usual, the mind reader approach, which is, even though it's clear the LOL applied to the
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prior comment, which was not about this, we think that's what she was thinking.
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So, basically, the quality of the complaints, would you say those two examples are indicative?
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Either didn't happen, or they just read something out of context, that sort of thing?
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I mean, if you go through the whole thing, but it's, like, one situation after another.
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But to go back to, I mean, Scott, on top of it, to really frame the situation, they worked
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for me for nine days, but to build up who they are as people and their anger.
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I'm not sure if you told your audience this, but for some backstory, I was hired in November
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So, when I say the word Gawker, most people presume this means I worked at, even briefly,
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the tabloid website related to the Hulk Hogan scandal.
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That website ran into the ground, but the man who bought the bones of that site wanted
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to resurrect it into something still culturally observant and witty, but not downright vicious
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But, so I left my job at Condé Nast, but unfortunately, a lot of people weren't happy with this.
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And that I was the editorial director because, not that these are synonyms, but I wasn't
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public enough, I wasn't performatively woke enough, I wasn't mean enough, so I wasn't
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But when I worked at Gawker, right, you'd think that's what I was.
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Now, do you identify as being left or right or supporting anybody in particular?
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You know, I always say that I cherry pick my political views, you know, but the thing
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is that they got mad about was when all these people heard that I was the person who was
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supposed to run the new Gawker, they started digging in my digital trash to go find things
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that I used to say, or like, you know, my old tweets, my old, and a website called Splinter
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Dug Up, that I registered Republican in 2008, and you would have thought that I had shot
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So the real problem is they thought you were a closet Republican, and they were looking
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So you were basically, you know, excised for being potentially a little bit too open-minded
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And, I mean, if they had really dug around, they would have, you know, also seen that I
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was probably just very open-minded, which I think is a great, great quality, and a journalist
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So the Daily Beast has, what's the word you used?
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A defamation is what we're suing them for particularly.
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I'm suing the Daily Beast, their editor-in-chief, Noah Shackman, the writer, Maxwell Taney, who
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Noah Shackman is actually the one, when we were speaking about Van Jones, who Van Jones
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and Noah Shackman went at each other on Twitter the other night.
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And then I'm also suing my former employee, Maya Kosoff, who was the named source for the
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But I'm going to use that to launch into some other stuff I want to talk about that kind
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Is there anything we missed that you want to add on to this?
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No, I think it's just, you know, these people were unhappy with having me as their employer
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as, you know, and they were trying to find everything they can.
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And they then they went to the Daily Beast to use that as their advantage, their connection.
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So so even being suspected as being a Trump supporter cost you your job.
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And presumed there's there's no specific evidence of that.
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Well, I had a tweet that said I love Trump from 2010.
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So, Carson, thank you for telling us your story and good luck with your suit.
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I tweeted this morning provocatively, and I know that's why some of you are here, that
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if Joe Biden gets elected, that there's a good chance you'll be dead within a year.
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Who are you reminded of or what persuasion does it remind you of when I say that if Biden
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is elected, there's a good chance you'll be dead within a year?
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Now, when you heard AOC say you'll be dead in 12 years or some version of that, what
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And then other people, their brains caught on fire because they thought it was true.
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So the genius of what AOC said was, your brain would catch on fire if you thought it was
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true or if you thought it wasn't true, just different reasons.
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So you can't look away when somebody says something like that.
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Now, what is missing from this presidential election?
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And you don't realize it until I tell you what it is.
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When President Trump was running for office, he used a lot of fear persuasion.
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Now, you could argue that, you know, the morality of it.
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But I would say that if the fear is a real one, then it's moral to bring it up.
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It would be quite ethical to say there's a real fear and you've got to worry about this.
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It would be unethical and immoral to just invent a fear that wasn't real and try to manipulate
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But if it's real, a leader has a responsibility to address that, of course.
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So the president would talk about immigration and that was a risk and all the crime that
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But in terms of fear persuasion, it was pretty strong.
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And I don't see the president using any fear persuasion this time.
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He's really being sort of, he sort of disappeared.
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I mean, we've got basement Biden and Trump is sort of pulled back a little bit from the
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Now, how does Trump get elected if things just sort of go the way they go?
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You know, who knows how many bumps we're going to have between now and election day?
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But I would at least put these two visions of the world in your head.
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If Trump wins, things will look a lot like they look now.
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You know, you'll have the same divisions, the same enemies.
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So you kind of know what that world looks like, because it looks a lot like today, but maybe
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we get past coronavirus and the economy gets better.
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So you've got sort of an image of what that looks like.
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Now, compare that to another view, and it looks like this.
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If you get a Joe Biden presidency, does that mean that the protesters and Antifa and Black
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Now that our people are in charge, we'll get some legislation going.
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Do you think that's what Antifa and Black Lives Matter, the leadership,
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not the individual people who support individual stuff, but the leadership?
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Do you think that they're going to say, yay, Biden presidency, we got it?
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No, no, they're not on the side of the Democrats.
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Black Lives Matter, at least in terms of the leadership,
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If the protesters wanted solutions, the protests would already be over
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because Tim Scott offered a bill with 70% of what people wanted
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with the complete invitation to bring in amendments to add or adjust,
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to add or adjust as much as made sense on that bill.
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In other words, the door was completely open to negotiate a bipartisan bill,
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So it's obvious that the Democratic leadership doesn't want to solve it.
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You know, regular people, of course, want solutions, but not the leadership.
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So they're not looking for solutions whatsoever.
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Well, the protests should be going on just the same way they are
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That just doesn't have anything to do with anything.
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Biden would still be the president of the system they need to destroy.
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Black Lives Matter wants to tear it down to build a better system from scratch.
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Antifa just wants it all torn down to do whatever.
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So if you get Biden, you still get the protests.
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The difference, of course, is that the more Democrats are in control,
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they will be pulling back from supporting the police.
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What will the police do when they have less support and more risk?
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You don't have to gas, because you can see it happening right now.
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They're stepping back from active enforcement and only doing the essentials.
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So under a Biden presidency, some things that you could be sure would happen
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would be that the protests would get out of control
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Now, if you take the police off the field, what stops the protests?
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But more importantly, I think that the Republicans
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So Carson Griffith lost her job, as she tells the story,
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entirely because somebody imagined that she was a Trump supporter
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when, in fact, she had one tweet long before he ran for president.
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and some other social media thing that was sort of ambiguous, I forget.
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that she might possibly be a little bit friendly to Trump
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without any direct evidence of that whatsoever.
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So do you think that Republicans can keep their jobs
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So I think you're going to see something like Antifa running wild.
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And you could see something closer to a revolution
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because Biden wouldn't be able to control anything.
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So I think a Biden presidency opens up the possibility
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that many of you listening to this will be dead.
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Now, I, of course, say that things are going to go toward the golden age.
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Either because she's really running the show behind the scenes
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or he actually drops out and she becomes the president.
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In my opinion, Kamala Harris is the only one who can stop this.
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Kamala Harris might be the only one who can stop the protests
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and she's got a history of being sort of a badass on crime.
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So your best case scenario might be a president Kamala Harris
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because she might be the only one who can prevent the revolution
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But it is true that all government is held together by violence
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You don't have a government unless you have the threat of violence
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So Kamala Harris has the option of using violence
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There is nothing that would stop the protests short of violence
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If they were asking for something that you could give them,
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I mean, they're not asking for anything that's practical
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that you'll be dead in 12 years for climate change.
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Today, you can't go in public wearing a Trump hat
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Because you have to have a vision of the future.
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at best of things that are going to move people.
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that the very best thing Trump could do is nothing.
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Because the more we see the CHOP or CHAS autonomous zone
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meaning that the Democrats will let things get out of control
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if you don't think this is what they're promising you,
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this is what the Democrats and CNN would like for you.
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Now, if you haven't heard the audio of the gunfire,
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bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.
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And so I don't think the Trump campaign is just moving into overdrive for some reason.
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And I don't think the polls are telling you too much right now.
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Here's another gigantic error on the Trump campaign.
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Lamar Alexander, a Republican, points this out.
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He says that Trump should sometimes wear a mask,
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But Lamar says that you're not going to get people on your team to wear them
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if you're adamantly opposed to them personally.
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Well, that's not why you should not wear a mask.
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If you're making your medical decisions based on your politics,
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that although nobody's thinking of it in those terms,
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as long as Trump becomes identified with non-mask wearing,
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who is not encouraging people to wear masks during a pandemic.
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well, I don't think he's even trying at this point.
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I think I would be perfectly happy with the president saying,
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about how you want to present yourself visually.