A group of doctors who are pro-hydroxychloroquine and a group of other doctors who don't like it. Also, censorship on social media, and the face mask controversy. And a call-in from Scott Adams.
00:04:37.000If they'd given us the good reason, I think maybe I could have acted appropriately and said, ah, I want to get that face mask maybe for myself.
00:04:45.000But I will, you know, allow the N95s to be more available.
00:05:35.000Because you really can't run a country where you can promote bad information to people the way it's being done.
00:05:43.000Now, I wouldn't object to Facebook tagging the arguments to it if they just said, this has been tagged as a suspicious or non-confirmed medical opinion.
00:05:57.000We're going to tag it so that you can't miss it.
00:12:31.000If you have severe COVID symptoms, where do you go?
00:12:36.000Do you go to your general practitioner or do you go to the emergency room?
00:12:40.000Because if the only people that this doctor sees are the people who had such mild symptoms they weren't even quite sure if they were sick, isn't that the group that gets better anyway?
00:12:52.000That's the group that just gets better on their own.
00:12:55.000If all the people who really felt like there was something going on, it was kind of advanced to the point where they couldn't breathe well or they had pretty bad symptoms, they might go to the hospital first.
00:13:07.000So it's not clear that what she's seeing is a broad sample, but rather the people who have self-selected for mild symptoms.
00:13:16.000If they have self-selected for mild symptoms and she gives them the mild symptom treatment and every single one of them avoids hospitalization, what have you learned?
00:15:05.000That the people who believe hydroxychloroquine has potential, they generally believe that its potential is limited to early use, as opposed to, I'm already in the hospital and I'm in bad shape.
00:15:18.000And there's a reason for that, a very specific reason, which is that by the time you get in the hospital, your medical condition has changed to this cyclotene storm or whatever.
00:16:07.000So not only did they use too much of a dose on the people who were hospitalized, a dose that we would know would have some side effects or expect.
00:16:18.000It was the wrong use and the wrong situation.
00:16:20.000And in some cases, they didn't use the three drugs.
00:16:23.000So I pointed out to Dr. Eric Feigelding that when he responds to people saying that hydroxychloroquine might be useful, that when he responds to them with showing studies of the wrong thing, it makes him look less credible, not more credible.
00:16:43.000In other words, it looks like somebody who's trying to scam you as opposed to someone who's trying to help you.
00:16:49.000And let me be very careful in my wording here.
00:16:52.000I'm not making an accusation that this doctor or any doctor is trying to scam you.
00:17:00.000If I say to you, I think hydroxychloroquine works for an outpatient and you as the doctor professional say, no, it doesn't because we tested it on a completely different set of patients with a different situation who were near death and had a different medical problem and it didn't work for them.
00:17:20.000Does your credibility go up or does it go down?
00:17:26.000Because what I hear is, how come you're not talking about the thing I'm talking about?
00:17:31.000Why are you giving me studies about the wrong thing?
00:17:35.000So I mentioned this to the doctor and he accused me of cherry picking, which was essentially correct, his accusation, because I did cherry pick out of a number of studies that he had in his thread.
00:17:48.000So I had picked one to point out, why do we keep looking at the wrong thing?
00:17:53.000And he said, but you're also not looking at the other ones I showed that were outpatient.
00:17:58.000One of them was an 800 person outpatient study.
00:18:38.000And then and then the next thing goes to is hydroxychloroquine with one of the two things, either zinc or azithromycin.
00:18:46.000You've seen the doctors say that they think it's one or the other or both that might be the key ingredient.
00:18:51.000So I don't care about a study that only has one.
00:18:55.000So what happened when I pointed out to the doctor, Eric Feigolding, I pointed out to him that the only three things that would tell us whether hydroxychloroquine in combination works for outpatient would be a study that studied it.
00:19:13.000There's no study studying the only thing that people wonder about, right?
00:19:19.000The people who think hydroxychloroquine might work.
00:19:22.000And I haven't given you my opinion on this yet.
00:19:53.000So this is the Dr. Feigolding's response was when I pointed out that the very study that we would like to either debunk or confirm this assumption doesn't exist.
00:20:06.000He didn't say it does exist because it doesn't.
00:20:10.000Rather, he pointed out how difficult it is to do studies.
00:20:13.000And he pointed out that this would be an exceptionally hard study because there would be three drugs involved and you'd have to follow them for a while.
00:20:36.000And then he mentioned that I don't quite understand the field, which is true, of course.
00:20:43.000Now, what does this make you feel like?
00:20:48.000If your proposition is this, that hydroxychloroquine with these two drugs might be good for outpatient only, what happens when somebody shows you the wrong study and you say that's the wrong study?
00:21:00.000And they show you another wrong study and they show you another wrong study and you say that's the wrong study because this isn't really hard to understand.
00:21:11.000Give me the three things for outpatient only.
00:21:17.000And then once these three types of studies, which are the wrong study, have been debunked as being useful in this conversation, it turns into it's hard to study things.
00:21:51.000So, given that the risks at the very small dosage that these doctors on this banned video were talking about, they're talking about a pill or two every week, something like that.
00:22:02.000I mean, a really low dosage as a prophylactic.
00:22:05.000And, again, it hasn't been studied as a prophylactic in a way that shows it works.
00:22:11.000So, I have to ask you, what is your impression of somebody who would take you through the argument in this direction by only misdirection?
00:22:24.000So, my conversation with doctors who are anti-hydroxychloroquine and others always follows the misdirection path.
00:22:33.000You can't really get them to talk about the thing that you need to talk about.
00:24:19.000Because these doctors yesterday in this banned video were claiming that it's, they even used the word cure, which is I think why they got banned.
00:24:28.000But don't you think that we could, without doing a formal study, could we not at least know that one piece of data?
00:24:39.000Is that discoverable without resort to, you know, a formal study?
00:24:47.000If we have the death certificate, do we also know how soon before the death, which would tell us if they got it early enough,
00:24:55.000do we know how soon before the death they had all three drugs in their system?
00:30:31.000And it looks like that's what's happening with the protests.
00:30:36.000I think if the protests had stayed with, you know, the George Floyd thing, stayed a black people trying to make the world better, white people helping them out, you know, supportively, that could have been a good thing.
00:30:49.000But it looks like Antifa just hollowed them out and is using them as a, you know, a disguise for whatever they're trying to do to take over the country, I guess.
00:30:59.000So, I believe that we could, we could predict at this point that the white and black protesters who believe they were on the same side are soon discovering they are not so much on the same side anymore.
00:31:14.000Somebody, somebody's asking me in the comments, will you take the vaccine?
00:31:33.000But that it has pretty, pretty hard side effects because the dosage is pretty high.
00:31:40.000Now, if the first vaccine that's available has known side effects, meaning you're definitely going to get a side effect, and it's ugly, I might wait.
00:32:07.000I'd need to know a little bit more if it's knowable.
00:32:10.000Now, the other thing that's going on with the protest slash looting slash violence is the question of whether it's violent or nonviolent.
00:32:25.000Now, you've seen probably by now the videos of Jerry Nadler being asked if the protests are violent, and he says they're not.
00:32:36.000And then they've cleverly put the scenes of all the fires and the protest stuff in the background.
00:32:42.000Now, I don't know that it's useful to argue about whether they're violent or nonviolent because it's clearly mostly nonviolent people with a core of violent people, and everybody agrees with that.
00:32:53.000So, whether you want to call that nonviolent or call it violent is really just the word you're putting on it.
00:33:00.000It's not really helping anybody's understanding.
00:33:02.000But clearly, there are people trying to overthrow the country, and they say that directly.
00:33:07.000I don't think there are many of them, and I'm not terribly worried that they will succeed in overthrowing the country.
00:33:14.000I do think that some of these cities have very weak mayors and that they just don't have a solution for what do you do about the federal courthouse, etc.
00:33:23.000But the most amazing thing that's happening about all this, if we could maybe take a moment to show appreciation for how unviolent the police and DHS have been.
00:33:41.000Because I don't know if I would have the same level of restraint as the police that we're seeing.
00:33:51.000Of course, you're going to see the video of somebody you think went a little too far.
00:33:55.000But as a rule, the law enforcement in every forum that's handling these things, they're doing a really good job, like an A-plus job, in my opinion.
00:34:07.000Now, of course, you'll have individual incidents that are imperfect.
00:34:46.000They did it without causing a revolution.
00:34:49.000In other words, it would have been easy to overreact.
00:34:52.000A number of them are being blinded, intentionally blinded by lasers.
00:34:57.000If somebody intentionally blinds you, or let's say somebody intentionally blinds your partner right next to you, and you see where it came from, in my opinion, you should be able to shoot to kill.
00:35:12.000Because a laser attack on somebody's eyes, maybe not legally, is a lethal force.
00:35:20.000I don't know how you define that, but trying to blind somebody, I can get where you say it's not technically lethal, but in my opinion it should be the death sentence.
00:35:31.000Blinding somebody with lasers should be the death sentence, if you did it intentionally.
00:35:37.000So the restraint of all these people is just incredible.
00:35:40.000They're being hit in the heads with objects.
00:35:42.000Have you seen the amount of solid objects that are flying toward them?
00:37:24.000If somebody stabs you and you didn't die, you know, obviously that would be the case where you could shoot them if they were trying to stab you or already had.
00:37:34.000But that's a case where you could have died.
00:37:38.000In the case of the laser, there really isn't any chance you could die.
00:37:55.000Yeah, we don't know too much about how often they're being relieved.
00:37:59.000But I don't think you could assume that any of them are going to be mentally the same after this is over.
00:38:05.000How many days could you be outdoors at night with people throwing hard objects at you and you only have to be looking in the wrong direction to be basically have your brain scrambled?
00:40:02.000There's something about it that just doesn't feel right because Biden is so degraded.
00:40:05.000If that changes, then maybe Trump could go harder at him.
00:40:10.000But as long as he's looking feeble and hiding in his basement, Trump can't do what Trump does best, which is go hard against somebody you hate.
00:40:19.000One of the best things that Trump had going for him when he ran against Hillary Clinton was Hillary Clinton.
00:40:26.000Because no matter how excited you were about voting for Trump, weren't you also a little bit excited about voting against Hillary?
00:40:37.000You could get Trump, but you could also hurt Hillary if he didn't like Hillary.
00:40:42.000But there are any, I don't think I've heard, I can honestly say I've heard zero people searching my memory.
00:40:50.000I've heard zero Republicans say that they want to vote against Biden, meaning that there's something wrong with him in particular.
00:40:58.000Now, of course, some people don't want his mental situation in the job and some people don't want a Democrat, but you don't hear the talk like you heard about Hillary.
00:41:07.000Hillary. Hillary Clinton was hated, hated individually.
00:41:12.000Now, some are going to say it's because she was a woman and I don't think so.
00:41:43.000So that really takes the biggest club away from Trump, which is he would love to be just pounding on Biden every day and having his audience love it.
00:41:54.000Because it's like, ah, did you see what he did to Biden today?
00:41:58.000But it doesn't feel as good as when he would go after Hillary.
00:42:04.000When you heard crooked Hillary, it made you happy because you knew it made her sad.
00:42:51.000You know, I'll give you my current estimate.
00:42:53.000Based on what we know at the moment, 50% chance.
00:42:58.000Sort of a 50-50 that it would make some difference.
00:43:02.000Because as I say, the studies are not conclusive, but neither are they dismissive.
00:43:09.000So, I think Trump also has the opportunity to do a bunch of things that are, let's say, counterfactual to the rumors about him.
00:43:22.000So here are some things, and these are really important, and they're in the category of the dog not barking.
00:43:28.000So these are the things he's not doing that are important and the ones that he is doing.
00:43:34.000One of the things he's doing that's important is that he can do things like the executive orders for lowering drug costs.
00:43:41.000So Trump can go into elections saying, I just did these executive orders, and I lowered your drug costs.
00:43:48.000Now, let's say he succeeds. I don't know if he will, but it looks like it's a good shot.
00:43:52.000If he succeeds, he's going to be going into the election with healthcare success.
00:43:57.000He should claim also the telehealth across state lines, and he should take some accomplishments.
00:44:04.000Now, Biden, of course, will be fighting with his own team who says, anything short of universal healthcare, single payer is not good enough.
00:44:13.000So Biden won't even have an argument that his own side completely likes.
00:44:18.000At the same time that Trump is going to say, well, you guys keep arguing. I just lowered your drug costs.
00:44:24.000It's going to be a pretty strong argument.
00:45:28.000So the group that will be most concerned about this lack of law and order should be the very group that he wants to attract.
00:45:36.000I would be surprised if the president doesn't take advantage of packaging up all the hoaxes and trying to convince Democrats that their view of the world is hoax determined.
00:45:50.000In other words, he talks about the Russia collusion hoax a lot, but I think it's powerful when you put them together.
00:45:58.000So he could say, look, you believe the Russia collusion hoax, you believe, it's hard for him to say this because it would cause more trouble, but I can say it.
00:46:08.000You believe the ingesting disinfectants hoax, and you can go right down the line of all the hoaxes.
00:46:18.000And I think that the more it's pointed out how many hoaxes have defined the Democrat point of view, that you can at least give them some uncertainty about their news sources, which might help a little bit.
00:46:30.000So I think he'll be good enough on the economy compared to Biden, good enough on health care compared to Biden, who won't have a good coherent plan that everybody likes.
00:46:41.000I think he'll be good enough on race, weirdly, because I think all this, the race riot stuff backfired.
00:46:51.000And I think that whenever Biden gets a vice president, he will be weakened by it, because there'll be somebody who doesn't like that vice president on his own team.
00:47:01.500So, and everybody will think the vice president is going to be the president anyway, so that won't matter.
00:48:08.380I don't know if people are ready to understand that the thing they thought was the news is not the news.
00:48:14.900I've had this conversation with one of my smartest and most well-informed friends who buys into completely the New York Times, CNN, NPR view of the world.
00:48:25.660And I tried to explain to him that he's living in the past, a past when those news sources could be trusted to give you something closer to an objective view of the world.
00:48:39.260But he doesn't understand that we don't live in that world anymore, and that the news is literally just propaganda at this point.
00:48:48.700And he's believing the propaganda just the way he believed the news back when it was something like news.
00:48:56.200Somebody says, my liberal boyfriend is coming around to the hoaxes.
00:49:00.120You know, the hoaxes are the most, I think the hoaxes are the most brittle part of the left's bubble.
00:49:12.880Once you point out how many hoaxes have informed their entire worldview, it's got to start to chip away a little bit, just a little bit.
00:49:48.420Well, I guess we'll have to find out about that.
00:49:52.060Tariffs against China for climate justice.
00:49:54.340Well, you know, I think the China situation is also incredibly good for Trump right now, because I can't think of a better contrast.
00:50:04.800If you looked at, you've got Joe Biden, who you think is a little too close to China, right?
00:50:10.620At the same time that China has gone from a friendly adversary, if I could say that, a frenemy, if you will, somebody that we want to do business with, to somebody that we can't trust whatsoever and are going to try to do less business with and are intentionally entering a Cold War with.
00:50:29.920I think the country's mood either is or will be so anti-China, partly because of the coronavirus, so anti-China that the anti-China candidate is going to look like the right choice.
00:50:45.880Now, when I say anti-China, it's the best possible situation because Trump was so pro-Xi and pro-Trade Deal.
00:50:57.540So, in a sense, Trump became Nixon goes to China, if you will, sort of the reverse of that.
00:51:05.180So, Nixon, you know the famous Nixon went to China story?
00:51:08.820He was the hardest voice against China, so if he could go and be their friends, that meant it was okay, because he was the hardest voice against them.
00:51:17.580So, his team would say, all right, all right, if you're okay with them, I guess we can at least talk to them.
00:51:26.220Trump went in with the, I'll be your friend, I'll show you full respect, we can both get rich, this will be great, let's work together, hand in hand.
00:51:45.540He proved it by giving them every benefit of the doubt, working with them legitimately, seriously, trying to really make something work, and then finding out it doesn't.
00:51:56.040And that they were wildly stealing our intellectual property, even right now.
00:52:01.000That's why the Houston consulate got closed, the Chinese consulate, because they had stolen so much intellectual property, allegedly.
00:52:08.720So, Trump is just 100% right on China, it looks like it.
00:52:15.500He was right to try it the way he did, and he was right to find out for sure if that could work or not, and he does now.