Real Coffee with Scott Adams - Episode 1146 Scott Adams： Trump Escapes From Walter Reed Hospital and Tells us to Not Fear Coronavirus. How's That Working Out？

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00:01:03.460 Well, I'm happy to announce that the air quality where I live in California is now moderate.

00:01:11.440 Moderate.

00:01:12.040 That's right.

00:01:13.620 I could walk outside for short periods.

00:01:16.500 Yeah.

00:01:17.560 Yeah.

00:01:18.260 For a little while, the weather teased us.

00:01:21.620 And for a few days, I could actually go outside.

00:01:24.660 I could leave my house safely.

00:01:27.100 Not so much today, but I'm looking forward to tomorrow.

00:01:31.080 Maybe tomorrow will be better.

00:01:32.140 So, how's everybody feeling about the country?

00:01:39.020 How are you feeling about politics?

00:01:42.440 How are you feeling about your personal situation?

00:01:45.140 How about that coronavirus?

00:01:47.320 How are you feeling about that?

00:01:49.460 What about those polls?

00:01:51.500 What about all the drama?

00:01:54.520 How are you feeling about all this?

00:01:56.080 Does it feel as though everything's going wrong and there's just, it seems all those helpless, helpless and hopeless?

00:02:05.440 Well, that, my friends, is the third act.

00:02:09.260 Yeah.

00:02:09.960 You are right in the middle of the third act.

00:02:12.580 The way it's supposed to look is like there's no way out.

00:02:17.100 If it looks to you like, oh my goodness, there are lots of ways this could go, but none of them look especially good.

00:02:25.140 You're in the third act.

00:02:29.040 How will it turn out?

00:02:30.820 Well, we don't know yet, do we?

00:02:32.900 That's what makes it the third act.

00:02:34.480 If you could see exactly how this will be resolved in a good way, it wouldn't be the third act.

00:02:42.360 It's the unknown that makes it special.

00:02:45.900 And let's talk about all of those things.

00:02:47.840 But I will tell you that I remain optimistic.

00:02:56.520 That's not to say that people won't die from the coronavirus and that will be tragic.

00:03:01.700 It's not to say that there won't be more violence in the streets.

00:03:05.620 I'm sure there will be.

00:03:06.500 And it's not to say that we won't have all kinds of surprises and shocks and punches in the stomach.

00:03:15.240 But you know what?

00:03:17.020 We're ready.

00:03:18.580 We're ready for all of that.

00:03:20.820 We are so ready.

00:03:22.860 This country and indeed the world, we will get through this.

00:03:26.520 And we will get through it better.

00:03:30.280 We'll be smarter.

00:03:32.440 We'll be stronger.

00:03:34.020 Those of us who make it through, which will be most of us.

00:03:38.200 One of the most fun stories that's happening is the Conway family.

00:03:43.680 So Kellyanne Conway has taken time off from her professional life to be with the family.

00:03:50.020 And of course, you know her husband, George Conway, is the president's, one of his biggest critics.

00:03:55.200 And I guess he stepped back from being a critic for a while, too.

00:03:59.500 And they've got a 15-year-old daughter, Claudia, who is absolutely hilarious.

00:04:07.440 I feel bad for Kellyanne and for George.

00:04:13.840 They have to deal with a teenage daughter.

00:04:16.840 But there's something about the whole story that's so completely human and relatable that it's just sort of perfect.

00:04:25.200 If you haven't seen the latest video that 15-year-old Claudia posted that her mother did not appreciate, you have to check it out.

00:04:36.720 You have to hear Kellyanne swearing at her and then finding out that she's being recorded.

00:04:42.300 Next thing you know, it's posted on social media.

00:04:45.040 I would just say I have good feelings about both daughter and mother, and I have some empathy for George as well, just that they're going through it.

00:05:02.840 None of it's terribly important.

00:05:05.060 You know, it doesn't affect you.

00:05:06.560 It doesn't affect me.

00:05:07.800 And I suppose it's a little bit embarrassing for them.

00:05:11.860 But wouldn't you watch that reality show?

00:05:16.000 If the Conways turned their situation into a reality TV show, I'd watch.

00:05:22.880 I know I'd watch.

00:05:24.740 So anyway, I'm just wishing them well.

00:05:26.440 So Joe Biden had his little town hall last night.

00:05:32.560 And how many lies do you think he told at his town hall?

00:05:37.020 A lot.

00:05:38.440 You know, Joe Pollock put them together and published them.

00:05:44.460 So it was all his biggest hits, all of his normal lies.

00:05:48.620 But he is still, in big events, he's still telling the Charlottesville fine people lie.

00:05:57.340 Now, just think about that.

00:05:59.620 Think about the fact that for two years, it has been massively debunked.

00:06:05.120 I mean, it's probably the debunking has been published more times than just about anything else in the last two years.

00:06:13.240 And still, the news silos are so tight that that message doesn't penetrate the left.

00:06:23.080 I would say, if I had to guess, I would say 90% of the people who watch CNN primarily have no idea that anybody even has tried to debunk the Charlottesville fine people hoax.

00:06:39.420 They wouldn't even be aware that there's another point of view.

00:06:43.240 And it's not even a point of view.

00:06:44.700 It's just a fact check.

00:06:46.240 Didn't happen.

00:06:47.500 You know, read the transcript.

00:06:48.700 It's obvious it didn't happen.

00:06:50.340 So his primary, really the thing that he bases his entire campaign on, objectively, easy to confirm, didn't happen.

00:07:02.680 Just never happened.

00:07:03.780 It's literally just something he made up.

00:07:05.740 Well, other people made it up as well.

00:07:08.060 But here's the amazing thing.

00:07:09.640 If you ask people what's the main reason that they don't like President Trump, the number one reason would be they'd say he doesn't tell the truth.

00:07:20.340 That would be it.

00:07:21.240 That would be the number one reason.

00:07:22.500 And the guy running against him can tell a whopper of a lie, like the biggest lie of the last 10 years, and can completely get away with it.

00:07:32.860 Now, it's just sort of amazing that we're at a point where there's just no importance to facts.

00:07:42.700 You know, the fact that this didn't happen has nothing to do with the fact that it will change the election.

00:07:49.700 Doesn't matter.

00:07:51.500 Yeah, he always tells his bulging vein story.

00:07:54.200 Let me tell you how I would love to see the third act get resolved.

00:07:59.540 I'd like to see Trump.

00:08:01.180 And by the way, I don't think this will happen.

00:08:02.960 So this is not a prediction.

00:08:05.800 And it's also not one of those annoying recommendations for what the president should say.

00:08:12.680 Do you read these article opinion pieces where people will presume to say, here's what the president should say.

00:08:21.540 He should issue a statement that says this, and then they'll write it as if it's in his voice.

00:08:27.700 All of that stuff just is so cringy to me.

00:08:32.420 And I'll tell you why.

00:08:34.300 None of the people who would like to put words into Trump's mouth could have done what he did, which is become president by saying the things he said instead of the things they think he should have said.

00:08:48.480 At what point do we say, all right, can we accept that it's not a coincidence, that he says things we wouldn't say, does things we wouldn't do, but it made him president?

00:09:01.840 So shouldn't you at least question your own judgment and say, all right, all right, maybe I'm not so smart.

00:09:10.260 Maybe I actually can't tell what is the right thing to do.

00:09:13.460 Maybe it's just the thing I would like to hear, but it wouldn't necessarily work politically.

00:09:20.460 You can't doubt the president's instincts at this point, his instincts to connect with the people as opposed to the pundits.

00:09:30.960 So here's one of the things that bugs me like crazy,

00:09:38.740 is that there's a lot of magical thinking going on when people criticize the president.

00:09:45.380 And the magical thinking goes like this,

00:09:48.620 that our other presidents were of good moral character,

00:09:53.280 and this one is not,

00:09:56.160 and therefore that's a problem.

00:09:58.260 When you say that that captures pretty much the entire Democrat problem with President Trump,

00:10:04.160 he's got a flawed moral character,

00:10:06.880 they would say,

00:10:08.160 and therefore having a president with a flawed moral character is going to get you a bad outcome.

00:10:15.420 Right?

00:10:16.140 That's their argument.

00:10:17.680 But here's the problem.

00:10:20.060 Remind me which of our presidents had good moral fiber.

00:10:26.660 You got your presidents that you think had good moral fiber,

00:10:30.080 but you don't know as much about them as perhaps I do.

00:10:33.300 I do know some things that are just not public.

00:10:39.120 What about Nixon?

00:10:41.420 What about Bill Clinton?

00:10:44.600 What about Obama?

00:10:46.800 Everything he did was honest,

00:10:48.800 never told a lie,

00:10:50.280 never did anything a little fishy.

00:10:52.560 What about Obama possibly being behind

00:10:55.640 overthrowing the next administration

00:10:58.660 and spying on the Trump campaign?

00:11:01.840 These are pretty big moral failings.

00:11:04.720 Pretty big.

00:11:05.980 What about the founders?

00:11:07.640 Literally slave owners.

00:11:10.140 Great moral character?

00:11:11.860 Not by today's standards.

00:11:14.220 I'm not even sure it was by the standards of their own time

00:11:17.460 it wasn't even great moral character necessarily.

00:11:20.300 Don't know how they thought of it,

00:11:21.480 but I don't think everybody thought it was great moral character.

00:11:24.840 So I would say that it's magical thinking to imagine

00:11:28.160 that the better your moral character,

00:11:32.040 according to outside observers,

00:11:34.220 the better your result as a president.

00:11:38.040 I would say that there's absolutely no correlation

00:11:41.500 in evidence at all.

00:11:44.340 And yet, it's the number one thing

00:11:46.980 that the president's critics obsess on

00:11:50.500 and their alternative doesn't provide it.

00:11:55.880 Biden provides nothing of the sort

00:11:58.780 if what you want is to get the president

00:12:01.260 with good moral character.

00:12:02.700 He just doesn't offer that.

00:12:04.080 Not even close.

00:12:05.340 He's not even in the general zip code

00:12:07.960 of good moral character.

00:12:10.320 Is he a nice guy?

00:12:12.100 Apparently.

00:12:12.560 I guess people like him.

00:12:14.900 In person, he's not very abrasive.

00:12:16.580 That counts a lot, right?

00:12:18.460 That we live in a world

00:12:20.520 where people appreciate that.

00:12:22.360 But does he lie like crazy?

00:12:24.640 Does he have some potential,

00:12:26.820 you know, Ukraine issues?

00:12:29.020 Yeah.

00:12:30.100 Was he maybe a little too involved

00:12:31.900 with Obama in spying on the Trump campaign?

00:12:35.480 Probably.

00:12:36.440 Has he ever told gigantic lies

00:12:38.600 that are the type that would tear the country apart?

00:12:41.360 Yes.

00:12:41.800 The fine people hoax.

00:12:44.080 So it's a deep, magical thinking

00:12:48.100 that Biden has good moral quality

00:12:50.380 or that you need it.

00:12:53.140 That it's somehow important.

00:12:54.780 It's a variable that matters.

00:12:57.180 You may have noticed that...

00:12:59.740 Oh, here's something interesting.

00:13:02.200 In 2016, I was sort of a novelty

00:13:05.880 as a pundit on politics

00:13:08.280 because I wasn't known for talking about this stuff.

00:13:11.960 And I got invited on a lot of left-leaning platforms.

00:13:15.880 Now, some of it was because I was promoting a book,

00:13:18.280 so it's easier to get invited to places

00:13:20.580 if you have a book.

00:13:21.780 But I was on...

00:13:22.560 I was invited on Morning Joe.

00:13:25.440 I've been on CNN several times in the past.

00:13:30.020 I've been on...

00:13:31.140 You know, Sam Harris had me on to...

00:13:33.260 I'm not sure what you would call him politically,

00:13:35.880 but he had me on.

00:13:36.840 I was on Bill Maher's show, Real Time.

00:13:40.520 How many of those shows, left-leaning platforms,

00:13:44.640 have invited me on this time?

00:13:48.040 Now, keep in mind

00:13:49.100 that the reason they invited me on

00:13:51.420 is that I was a weird...

00:13:52.900 I was an oddity.

00:13:54.780 And I was saying that Trump would win the election.

00:13:58.260 So that made me like a weird, crazy guy, right?

00:14:01.660 Because I was predicting the unpredictable.

00:14:04.520 But it turns out I was right.

00:14:07.240 And not only was I right,

00:14:08.700 but I turned out to be right about some other big stuff,

00:14:11.420 including Kamala Harris getting as close as she has

00:14:14.640 to the top of the ticket.

00:14:18.100 And you would think

00:14:19.380 that if you started down unusual

00:14:21.840 and you showed that you were right,

00:14:24.160 you would be invited

00:14:25.140 to all of those places that had you on before.

00:14:28.700 Because I would say that they did fine

00:14:30.620 in terms of clicks

00:14:32.080 and they did fine in terms of audience.

00:14:34.500 I don't think they lost any audience by having me on.

00:14:37.200 Probably gained a little.

00:14:39.700 So what do you make of the fact

00:14:42.240 that I am completely shut out

00:14:44.600 from the entire left silo?

00:14:47.980 It means they're afraid of me.

00:14:50.680 Now, it could be because I'm not interesting.

00:14:53.980 That's the other possibility.

00:14:56.080 But compare these two explanations

00:15:00.660 for why I'm shut out of that whole world.

00:15:04.440 One is that I suddenly became less interesting,

00:15:07.700 even though all of my traffic

00:15:09.640 is higher than it's ever been before.

00:15:11.960 So if you were to look at

00:15:13.280 every objective measure

00:15:15.020 of whether I'm interesting,

00:15:17.160 it's through the roof.

00:15:19.440 All of my numbers are way up

00:15:21.460 compared to what they were.

00:15:24.320 The other alternative is that I'm dangerous.

00:15:27.080 In other words,

00:15:27.680 I have a point of view

00:15:28.760 which would penetrate the silo.

00:15:31.960 I think that they know

00:15:33.480 which people they can bring over

00:15:35.040 and will be discounted by their audience.

00:15:37.900 There are lots of strong voices

00:15:40.080 that if you bring them over,

00:15:42.220 they're going to say stuff

00:15:44.400 that are pro-Trump,

00:15:46.600 but they won't land.

00:15:49.120 They just won't penetrate that audience.

00:15:52.440 But if you get somebody

00:15:54.620 who can penetrate the audience,

00:15:56.600 they get blackballed.

00:15:58.400 Look at Steve Cortez.

00:16:00.360 Steve Cortez used to be on contract for CNN.

00:16:04.960 But I think it was

00:16:06.200 when he debunked the fine people hoax

00:16:08.900 was probably the last time

00:16:10.580 they invited him on,

00:16:11.600 even though he was still on contract.

00:16:13.580 And then I guess the contract

00:16:14.780 probably ran out.

00:16:16.300 So anybody who can break through,

00:16:19.860 they immediately get them out of there

00:16:22.000 because that's going to ruin

00:16:23.160 the whole deal.

00:16:26.220 Now, how about the polls?

00:16:27.580 Do you believe the polls

00:16:28.580 that are coming out

00:16:29.300 that are showing

00:16:29.940 Trump is way, way behind

00:16:32.280 and falling even deeper behind?

00:16:35.040 Well, you probably saw the stories

00:16:36.800 that the Democrats

00:16:38.400 are being oversampled

00:16:39.680 in these polls.

00:16:41.020 So it looks like there's a big change,

00:16:43.180 but maybe there's not.

00:16:44.840 However,

00:16:46.160 however,

00:16:46.700 what if there is?

00:16:49.220 What if it turns out

00:16:50.400 there is a big change

00:16:52.180 in Trump's support?

00:16:54.280 Let's say it dropped.

00:16:55.880 You know,

00:16:56.160 just dropped a lot

00:16:57.360 because of the hospital stay,

00:16:59.820 the coronavirus situation.

00:17:01.840 What if it dropped?

00:17:03.120 Do you think that would be real?

00:17:05.320 I do.

00:17:06.260 I think it would be real.

00:17:08.440 But not real in the way

00:17:10.680 that normally polls are real.

00:17:14.040 Normally polls are real

00:17:15.360 in the sense that they might

00:17:16.560 predict the future.

00:17:18.460 I think these might be real,

00:17:20.500 as in there might be

00:17:21.440 a real drop off,

00:17:22.500 people being unhappy

00:17:23.520 about the way the president

00:17:25.340 handled his own infection

00:17:26.740 and others.

00:17:28.300 If they're unhappy about that,

00:17:30.500 I think people vote

00:17:32.000 in the polls.

00:17:34.260 In other words,

00:17:34.760 they show their displeasure

00:17:36.100 by expressing it to a pollster.

00:17:38.880 But when it comes to election day

00:17:40.760 and they've got to pick,

00:17:41.740 oh, okay,

00:17:43.140 now I'm not just expressing

00:17:44.560 my displeasure.

00:17:46.140 Now it's real.

00:17:48.020 So I think that people

00:17:49.500 who might end up voting

00:17:51.680 for the president

00:17:52.420 could be expressing

00:17:55.160 their displeasure

00:17:56.200 about whatever's happening

00:17:57.240 this week

00:17:57.960 by giving him,

00:17:59.580 you know,

00:17:59.900 a bad poll result

00:18:01.540 and say,

00:18:01.880 yeah,

00:18:02.080 I'm just going to vote

00:18:02.880 for Biden

00:18:03.980 or I'm not going to vote

00:18:04.940 or I'm going to vote

00:18:06.040 for Kanye or something.

00:18:07.400 I don't feel as if

00:18:09.120 when people turn

00:18:11.320 against the president

00:18:12.200 on a specific issue,

00:18:13.900 it feels more like

00:18:15.220 they're trying to guide him

00:18:16.500 because you know

00:18:17.700 he looks at the polls, right?

00:18:19.240 We all know

00:18:20.160 that he would be

00:18:21.000 absolutely influenced

00:18:22.500 by any strong poll movement.

00:18:25.280 We know that.

00:18:26.360 So I think people

00:18:27.100 are not just telling you

00:18:27.980 what they want.

00:18:28.800 I think they're trying

00:18:29.520 to influence the president.

00:18:31.480 And if you see a big move

00:18:32.820 based on a single topic,

00:18:34.320 it might be people

00:18:36.640 just sending him a message.

00:18:38.060 You know what I mean?

00:18:39.480 And that might not reflect

00:18:42.260 the final vote.

00:18:43.660 So let us go over

00:18:46.500 what he did right or wrong.

00:18:48.880 And it's an interesting one

00:18:51.080 this time.

00:18:51.740 And I guess I'll save

00:18:52.840 my summary for whether

00:18:53.980 I think it's mostly right

00:18:55.100 or mostly wrong.

00:18:56.480 But here's what he said.

00:18:58.060 So the president,

00:18:59.060 as you know,

00:18:59.540 left Walter Reed

00:19:01.560 earlier than most people

00:19:03.560 would think he should.

00:19:05.120 All right.

00:19:05.420 So the first thing

00:19:06.160 you need to know

00:19:06.800 is that he wanted,

00:19:08.360 the president obviously

00:19:09.360 wanted to manage

00:19:10.300 the situation

00:19:11.060 so he would look

00:19:12.540 a little bit superhuman.

00:19:14.640 Did he accomplish that?

00:19:16.940 I think so.

00:19:18.420 I think so.

00:19:19.440 I think he accomplished

00:19:20.880 making it look like

00:19:22.560 his stamina,

00:19:23.860 his power,

00:19:25.200 his health,

00:19:26.020 his vitality

00:19:26.900 was more than a match

00:19:28.800 for the coronavirus.

00:19:29.500 So would it have been

00:19:32.160 medically advisable

00:19:34.340 to stay a little bit longer?

00:19:36.720 Perhaps.

00:19:37.440 I'm no doctor.

00:19:38.420 What do I know?

00:19:39.140 Maybe.

00:19:41.320 But was it a good move

00:19:43.280 on the president's part

00:19:44.300 to be aggressive

00:19:45.180 on getting out there?

00:19:47.040 I'm going to say

00:19:47.880 probably yes.

00:19:49.760 I think the net of that

00:19:51.020 is slightly positive,

00:19:52.380 if not more than slightly.

00:19:54.220 I think that people need

00:19:56.260 to see their leaders

00:19:57.320 acting strong,

00:19:58.780 even when we know

00:20:00.140 they're acting.

00:20:01.480 And that's important.

00:20:03.240 When I see the president

00:20:04.820 acting like he's all healthy,

00:20:08.420 and you probably saw

00:20:09.420 there's some video

00:20:10.140 of him breathing hard

00:20:11.360 when he got back

00:20:12.060 to the White House,

00:20:12.900 climbed some stairs,

00:20:14.480 he was noticeably

00:20:15.580 struggling to breathe.

00:20:18.100 And you could tell

00:20:18.760 that he was trying

00:20:19.500 to not look like

00:20:20.540 he was struggling to breathe.

00:20:22.560 In other words,

00:20:23.360 it was obvious to anybody

00:20:24.840 that he was putting on an act

00:20:27.040 to look healthier

00:20:28.600 than he might have

00:20:30.120 actually been.

00:20:31.180 Are you bothered by that?

00:20:33.000 Are you bothered by knowing

00:20:34.400 he's putting on an act?

00:20:39.340 Probably not.

00:20:40.460 You're probably not bothered

00:20:41.420 by that.

00:20:42.060 Because that's part of the job.

00:20:43.640 Part of the job of a leader

00:20:44.900 is to look like a leader.

00:20:47.060 Are you bothered by the fact

00:20:48.300 that he wears a suit and tie

00:20:49.720 when he's in the Oval Office?

00:20:52.520 Well, you should be.

00:20:53.380 He's putting on an act, right?

00:20:55.320 He's not naturally born

00:20:56.900 in a suit and tie.

00:20:58.100 He's acting like a president

00:20:59.800 by dressing like one

00:21:01.580 when he's in the Oval Office.

00:21:03.280 So he's a big phony, right?

00:21:04.880 Because he wears a suit

00:21:05.840 in the Oval Office?

00:21:07.380 No.

00:21:08.100 No, we accept

00:21:09.020 that a president

00:21:10.540 needs to put on a show.

00:21:12.820 It's a show.

00:21:14.560 You might not want

00:21:15.540 to call it a show,

00:21:16.720 but it's a show.

00:21:18.280 And it's important

00:21:19.780 that he does the show right.

00:21:21.140 It's part of

00:21:21.700 being a good leader.

00:21:23.120 So I would say

00:21:24.380 that his instinct

00:21:26.480 to show strength

00:21:28.120 is correct.

00:21:30.580 You get a lot of pushback from it.

00:21:32.620 But I think that was

00:21:33.580 a correct instinct.

00:21:35.680 He didn't get everything right, though,

00:21:37.260 so it's not going to be

00:21:38.040 all compliments,

00:21:39.060 in case you're wondering.

00:21:41.140 Here's some things he said

00:21:42.460 in the video.

00:21:44.360 He said,

00:21:44.660 don't let it dominate you,

00:21:45.940 meaning coronavirus.

00:21:47.300 Don't be afraid of it.

00:21:49.140 You're going to beat it.

00:21:50.420 He said he feels better

00:21:51.780 than he did 20 years ago

00:21:53.100 and don't let it

00:21:54.360 take over your lives.

00:21:56.160 And then he said,

00:21:57.020 and I'm paraphrasing

00:21:57.920 a little bit,

00:21:58.520 but he says,

00:21:59.020 as your leader,

00:21:59.880 I had to do that.

00:22:01.920 I led,

00:22:03.260 and then I know

00:22:04.220 there's a risk.

00:22:05.680 So he was saying

00:22:06.680 that he had to be a leader

00:22:07.840 and basically do

00:22:10.200 the same thing

00:22:10.820 that he was asking

00:22:11.580 of the public,

00:22:12.660 which is to go

00:22:13.960 about your business

00:22:14.780 and take a chance.

00:22:15.780 Jake Tapper

00:22:18.300 interpreted that

00:22:20.080 as

00:22:20.560 he insanely

00:22:23.000 is saying

00:22:23.580 that he intentionally

00:22:24.480 got the virus

00:22:25.300 to be a good leader.

00:22:27.660 Is that exactly

00:22:28.760 what he said?

00:22:30.360 Is that a fair

00:22:31.380 characterization?

00:22:33.600 Did the president

00:22:34.440 say he intentionally

00:22:35.480 got the virus

00:22:36.400 because it would

00:22:37.240 make him

00:22:37.640 a better leader?

00:22:39.540 No.

00:22:40.660 No.

00:22:41.140 That's not exactly

00:22:42.320 what happened.

00:22:42.880 But will people

00:22:44.820 see it that way

00:22:45.740 or hear it that way?

00:22:46.800 They might.

00:22:48.380 They might.

00:22:49.540 So let's look

00:22:50.320 at his specific statements

00:22:51.660 about don't let it

00:22:52.500 dominate you,

00:22:53.280 don't be afraid of it,

00:22:54.900 et cetera.

00:22:57.120 Here's the problem.

00:23:01.800 If you thought

00:23:02.700 he was going to

00:23:03.220 come out

00:23:03.540 to the hospital

00:23:04.320 with humility,

00:23:11.840 as in,

00:23:12.620 wow,

00:23:13.060 now that I've

00:23:13.580 had the coronavirus,

00:23:15.060 I'm a changed person,

00:23:17.020 well,

00:23:17.420 you probably

00:23:17.920 haven't met

00:23:18.660 Trump.

00:23:19.940 There wasn't

00:23:20.720 much chance

00:23:21.600 he was going

00:23:22.500 to come out

00:23:22.900 of the hospital

00:23:23.520 a changed person.

00:23:24.580 I forget

00:23:24.860 which pundit it was.

00:23:26.660 I was listening to

00:23:27.800 who was just

00:23:28.240 laughing at the notion

00:23:29.220 that he would

00:23:29.680 come out

00:23:30.000 as a different person

00:23:30.880 because it is

00:23:32.160 sort of funny

00:23:32.680 when you think

00:23:33.160 about it.

00:23:33.860 He's not really

00:23:34.920 going to be

00:23:35.280 a different person.

00:23:37.540 And we should

00:23:38.500 assume that

00:23:39.140 beating coronavirus

00:23:40.240 will make him

00:23:41.340 more Trump

00:23:43.400 and not less

00:23:44.000 Trump.

00:23:46.000 All right.

00:23:47.280 So how do you

00:23:47.940 feel about the fact

00:23:48.680 that he's telling

00:23:49.080 people not to be

00:23:49.820 afraid of it,

00:23:50.820 et cetera?

00:23:51.620 Well,

00:23:52.680 I'm not sure

00:23:54.240 he's nailing the

00:23:55.240 messaging.

00:23:56.020 So I would not

00:23:56.940 give him an A plus

00:23:57.920 on the messaging

00:23:58.760 there.

00:23:59.340 I do think

00:24:00.180 that people

00:24:00.740 could take it

00:24:01.380 the wrong way

00:24:02.080 as if he's not

00:24:03.320 taking it

00:24:03.860 seriously enough.

00:24:04.800 So I think

00:24:06.500 that he may

00:24:07.140 have exacerbated

00:24:08.320 the number

00:24:09.740 of people

00:24:10.120 who say

00:24:10.420 he's not

00:24:10.780 taking it

00:24:11.240 seriously.

00:24:11.840 We'll have

00:24:12.240 even more

00:24:12.900 to yell

00:24:13.260 about

00:24:13.640 than they

00:24:14.140 had before.

00:24:14.980 So that part's

00:24:15.860 not good.

00:24:16.660 But here's

00:24:17.380 the part

00:24:17.740 that's imponderable

00:24:18.860 and really

00:24:20.520 here's the part

00:24:21.420 that matters.

00:24:23.080 Is the

00:24:23.820 president

00:24:24.240 matching

00:24:24.880 the public?

00:24:26.520 Now,

00:24:27.100 the president

00:24:27.600 is definitely

00:24:28.480 not matching

00:24:29.280 the messaging

00:24:30.520 that the experts

00:24:31.740 would want to

00:24:32.400 use,

00:24:32.800 most of the

00:24:33.380 experts.

00:24:33.700 they would

00:24:34.520 not want

00:24:34.960 him to

00:24:35.560 say what

00:24:36.000 he's saying.

00:24:37.380 Most of

00:24:38.040 the pundits,

00:24:39.460 you know,

00:24:39.640 the people

00:24:40.000 really pay

00:24:40.540 attention to

00:24:41.100 the news,

00:24:42.140 most of

00:24:43.440 them would

00:24:43.820 also say,

00:24:44.760 I don't

00:24:45.740 like the

00:24:46.060 way he

00:24:46.280 did that,

00:24:47.340 he's

00:24:47.640 underplaying

00:24:48.300 it,

00:24:48.620 etc.

00:24:49.500 But if

00:24:50.100 you added

00:24:50.540 together all

00:24:51.320 of the

00:24:51.660 experts and

00:24:52.780 all of the

00:24:53.400 pundits,

00:24:54.400 it would be

00:24:54.880 this little

00:24:55.580 sliver of

00:24:57.160 the total

00:24:57.560 population.

00:24:58.800 Tiny,

00:24:59.360 tiny,

00:24:59.740 tiny sliver

00:25:00.460 of the

00:25:00.700 population.

00:25:01.980 Do they

00:25:02.360 matter?

00:25:02.960 Well,

00:25:03.200 they matter

00:25:03.860 in terms

00:25:04.340 of influencing

00:25:05.260 other people's

00:25:05.960 opinions.

00:25:06.820 But what

00:25:07.420 about the

00:25:07.840 public in

00:25:08.480 general?

00:25:09.820 Is the

00:25:10.540 public in

00:25:11.240 general,

00:25:12.080 and let's

00:25:12.440 say Republicans

00:25:13.260 in particular,

00:25:14.700 are they

00:25:15.120 closer to

00:25:16.320 Trump's

00:25:17.900 point of

00:25:18.320 view,

00:25:18.940 or are

00:25:19.980 they closer

00:25:20.940 to the

00:25:21.420 pundits'

00:25:21.900 point of

00:25:22.200 view?

00:25:23.680 I don't

00:25:24.400 know exactly,

00:25:25.720 but my

00:25:26.380 sense of it

00:25:27.140 is,

00:25:27.440 my instinct

00:25:28.040 is,

00:25:28.740 that the

00:25:29.360 public is

00:25:30.060 right there

00:25:30.560 with him.

00:25:31.020 Do you

00:25:32.080 get that

00:25:32.420 sense?

00:25:33.600 Now,

00:25:34.100 because it's

00:25:35.160 the public,

00:25:36.000 that never

00:25:36.680 means all

00:25:37.460 of the

00:25:37.760 public,

00:25:38.180 right?

00:25:38.940 There's

00:25:39.440 always that

00:25:39.940 big solid

00:25:40.660 block of

00:25:41.340 Democrats

00:25:42.360 will hate

00:25:42.820 him no

00:25:43.080 matter what

00:25:43.440 he does,

00:25:43.960 so they'll

00:25:44.260 be against

00:25:44.700 him no

00:25:45.060 matter what.

00:25:45.920 But in

00:25:46.260 general,

00:25:47.520 wouldn't you

00:25:48.000 say that

00:25:48.420 Republicans

00:25:48.940 are more

00:25:49.880 pro-take

00:25:51.600 the risk,

00:25:52.420 get back

00:25:52.800 to work,

00:25:53.320 and might

00:25:55.900 even appreciate

00:25:56.580 the fact

00:25:57.200 that he

00:25:58.300 modeled that

00:25:58.940 behavior.

00:26:01.200 I've got a

00:26:02.060 feeling that

00:26:04.120 there are far

00:26:04.960 more people

00:26:05.700 who are a

00:26:06.720 little bit

00:26:07.040 silent,

00:26:08.020 who are on

00:26:08.560 his side

00:26:09.240 about being

00:26:10.420 a little more

00:26:10.900 aggressive and

00:26:11.520 going back to

00:26:12.100 work and

00:26:13.020 opening things

00:26:13.660 up.

00:26:14.980 I just don't

00:26:15.900 know you're

00:26:16.320 seeing that

00:26:16.900 point of view.

00:26:18.280 And here's

00:26:18.740 why you don't

00:26:19.340 see that

00:26:19.840 point of view.

00:26:21.380 Because in

00:26:22.080 order to be

00:26:22.700 honest about

00:26:23.500 it, you

00:26:23.880 would have

00:26:24.180 to say

00:26:24.520 the following.

00:26:25.800 This would

00:26:26.260 be an

00:26:26.600 honest opinion

00:26:27.400 and it's

00:26:28.180 why you

00:26:28.480 don't see

00:26:28.840 it.

00:26:29.680 It's just

00:26:30.100 too honest

00:26:30.620 and it

00:26:30.900 would go

00:26:31.140 like this.

00:26:32.360 I think

00:26:33.060 it's more

00:26:33.520 important for

00:26:34.360 young people

00:26:35.140 to live

00:26:37.660 their life

00:26:38.300 and avoid

00:26:40.140 whatever mental

00:26:41.080 health and

00:26:42.200 stunted

00:26:43.220 educational

00:26:44.440 problems

00:26:45.000 they'll have.

00:26:45.920 I think

00:26:46.340 that's more

00:26:47.040 important and

00:26:48.600 keeping the

00:26:49.360 economy strong

00:26:50.160 is more

00:26:50.580 important.

00:26:51.240 Those two

00:26:51.680 things.

00:26:52.120 the health

00:26:53.980 of the

00:26:54.320 young, the

00:26:55.580 mental health

00:26:56.060 of everybody,

00:26:56.760 but also

00:26:57.500 opening the

00:26:58.100 economy and

00:26:58.800 keeping that

00:26:59.200 strong is

00:26:59.820 more important

00:27:00.680 than the

00:27:01.960 lives of

00:27:03.660 elderly

00:27:04.180 Americans.

00:27:05.920 If you

00:27:06.680 can't say

00:27:07.220 that, you

00:27:09.600 can't be

00:27:10.020 honest.

00:27:11.020 At least in

00:27:11.980 that point of

00:27:12.700 view, you

00:27:12.940 can't be

00:27:13.240 honest.

00:27:14.040 Now, if

00:27:14.400 there's somebody

00:27:14.820 who says,

00:27:15.800 oh, you've

00:27:16.320 got to just

00:27:16.700 protect the

00:27:18.280 old people,

00:27:18.800 people, well,

00:27:20.300 they're being

00:27:20.620 liars because

00:27:22.140 one of the

00:27:22.620 ways you

00:27:22.940 protect them

00:27:23.480 is by keeping

00:27:24.060 the economy

00:27:24.680 strong.

00:27:25.680 How do

00:27:25.980 old people

00:27:26.580 get paid

00:27:27.060 their social

00:27:27.580 security?

00:27:29.760 How are

00:27:30.140 they protected?

00:27:30.960 How do they

00:27:31.300 get health

00:27:31.700 care if the

00:27:32.280 economy falls

00:27:33.000 apart?

00:27:33.800 They don't.

00:27:35.380 Old people

00:27:36.200 would be very

00:27:36.880 vulnerable to

00:27:38.040 a collapsing

00:27:38.620 economy, maybe

00:27:39.560 the most

00:27:40.480 vulnerable.

00:27:40.840 people, and

00:27:42.040 if you can't

00:27:44.840 say it as

00:27:45.280 clearly as I

00:27:46.320 can say it,

00:27:47.500 and I'm

00:27:47.820 going to say

00:27:48.140 this, this

00:27:48.580 is my

00:27:49.060 actual opinion

00:27:49.960 now, okay?

00:27:50.980 So this is

00:27:51.640 not an

00:27:52.000 example opinion.

00:27:53.420 My actual

00:27:54.100 honest opinion,

00:27:56.340 tell me how

00:27:57.000 many people

00:27:57.480 will be willing

00:27:58.120 to say this

00:27:58.740 in public.

00:28:00.000 It is my

00:28:00.760 honest opinion

00:28:01.580 that we

00:28:02.620 should set

00:28:03.120 as a

00:28:03.460 priority the

00:28:05.120 youth and

00:28:06.380 the economy

00:28:07.040 of the

00:28:07.380 country,

00:28:09.000 and we

00:28:10.520 should place

00:28:11.080 those as

00:28:11.520 higher priority

00:28:12.380 than the

00:28:13.560 lives, the

00:28:14.840 actual life,

00:28:15.700 life and

00:28:16.340 death of

00:28:17.560 senior

00:28:17.860 citizens.

00:28:20.040 That's an

00:28:20.660 honest opinion.

00:28:21.440 Now, you

00:28:21.740 could certainly

00:28:22.340 disagree with

00:28:23.140 that, but

00:28:24.340 if you're

00:28:24.660 disagreeing,

00:28:25.300 remember,

00:28:25.740 you're disagreeing

00:28:27.080 about extent

00:28:27.960 and maybe

00:28:28.460 timing, because

00:28:29.740 everybody

00:28:30.120 understands you

00:28:30.900 need a strong

00:28:31.460 economy, or

00:28:33.100 else you're

00:28:33.420 in big

00:28:33.720 trouble.

00:28:34.480 So we

00:28:34.900 know we

00:28:35.460 need to

00:28:35.740 do both,

00:28:36.420 right?

00:28:36.640 There's

00:28:36.860 nobody who's

00:28:37.380 so dumb

00:28:37.860 that we only

00:28:38.860 need to look

00:28:39.420 at health,

00:28:39.900 or we only

00:28:40.380 need to look

00:28:40.900 at the

00:28:41.140 economy.

00:28:41.680 We know

00:28:41.980 we're going

00:28:43.820 to be tweaking

00:28:44.340 those variables

00:28:45.100 the whole

00:28:45.460 time, but

00:28:46.380 I'm just

00:28:46.900 going to say

00:28:47.260 a straight

00:28:47.700 out.

00:28:48.740 How in

00:28:49.160 the world

00:28:49.640 do we

00:28:50.160 ever get

00:28:50.620 back to

00:28:51.080 work until

00:28:52.280 you can

00:28:52.740 say what

00:28:53.120 I can

00:28:53.960 say?

00:28:55.100 Now, I

00:28:55.660 have FU

00:28:57.020 money so I

00:28:57.560 can say

00:28:57.880 things in

00:28:58.340 public that

00:28:58.840 other people

00:28:59.300 can't, but

00:29:00.400 I'm just

00:29:00.720 going to say

00:29:01.080 a straight

00:29:01.500 out.

00:29:02.200 I value

00:29:02.880 youth, their

00:29:04.740 lives, and

00:29:06.060 the economy,

00:29:06.900 which supports

00:29:07.620 us all,

00:29:08.220 including senior

00:29:08.920 citizens.

00:29:09.420 I value

00:29:10.580 those higher

00:29:11.380 than I

00:29:12.500 value the

00:29:13.060 life, the

00:29:14.560 actual lives,

00:29:15.880 because people

00:29:16.380 are going to

00:29:16.780 die in big

00:29:17.520 numbers of

00:29:18.620 senior citizens.

00:29:19.860 Now, I've

00:29:21.220 got a little

00:29:21.740 bit of credibility

00:29:22.440 saying that

00:29:23.280 because I am a

00:29:24.820 senior citizen,

00:29:25.920 right?

00:29:26.180 So I'm 63 and

00:29:27.520 I've got asthma.

00:29:28.700 So I'm at

00:29:29.580 risk, very

00:29:31.020 much at risk.

00:29:31.980 So when I say

00:29:32.880 that I value the

00:29:33.820 lives of the

00:29:34.380 young and the

00:29:34.960 economy over

00:29:36.020 the older

00:29:37.400 people, I'm

00:29:38.340 saying I value

00:29:39.120 them over

00:29:39.640 myself, and

00:29:41.460 I'm saying it

00:29:42.020 clearly.

00:29:42.700 I value them

00:29:43.840 over myself.

00:29:46.680 Indeed, if you

00:29:47.480 gave me a

00:29:47.940 choice and

00:29:48.520 said, here's

00:29:49.580 the deal, tough

00:29:50.240 choice, Scott,

00:29:51.520 the only way

00:29:52.500 young people

00:29:53.640 are going to

00:29:54.060 do well is

00:29:55.840 if, I'm

00:29:56.780 sorry, but

00:29:57.340 you have to

00:29:58.400 die.

00:29:59.380 We don't have

00:30:00.140 a second way

00:30:00.720 to do this.

00:30:01.300 It's just the

00:30:01.840 only way to do

00:30:02.440 it.

00:30:03.300 Are you up

00:30:04.180 for that?

00:30:06.320 I wouldn't

00:30:07.000 like it.

00:30:08.380 Wouldn't be

00:30:08.960 very happy about

00:30:09.860 that choice, but

00:30:11.500 I know what I

00:30:12.060 choose.

00:30:13.680 I've had a

00:30:14.380 good run, and

00:30:15.540 I would make

00:30:15.960 that choice.

00:30:17.560 So, and I

00:30:18.040 think most

00:30:18.400 people would

00:30:18.900 actually, especially

00:30:19.740 if you're over

00:30:21.360 80, I think

00:30:24.120 if you did a

00:30:24.680 poll of people

00:30:25.380 over 80, and

00:30:26.420 you said, here's

00:30:26.980 the deal, you've

00:30:28.280 got a 15%

00:30:29.620 chance of going

00:30:30.620 a little bit

00:30:31.140 earlier, and

00:30:32.420 it might not

00:30:32.860 be pleasant, but

00:30:33.820 any way you

00:30:34.700 die isn't

00:30:35.120 going to be

00:30:35.400 fun.

00:30:36.300 So, what

00:30:37.320 do you do?

00:30:38.700 I think 80

00:30:39.560 year olds would

00:30:40.180 be on the

00:30:40.560 same page.

00:30:41.500 So, my

00:30:42.560 take on

00:30:43.560 Trump is

00:30:44.800 that the

00:30:45.300 pundits will

00:30:46.040 rip him

00:30:46.600 apart, the

00:30:47.500 experts will

00:30:48.360 rip him

00:30:48.900 apart, and

00:30:49.960 they'll all do

00:30:50.520 that thing where

00:30:51.080 they don't have

00:30:51.620 to talk about

00:30:52.180 trade-offs.

00:30:53.380 They'll just

00:30:53.760 talk about

00:30:54.380 health, as

00:30:56.380 if the

00:30:56.700 economy isn't

00:30:57.380 even part of

00:30:57.880 the question.

00:30:59.340 So, I

00:31:01.340 feel like the

00:31:01.900 president's in

00:31:02.580 better shape

00:31:03.240 than the

00:31:03.660 pundits

00:31:04.020 realize, because

00:31:05.180 I think he's

00:31:05.720 just way

00:31:06.260 closer to the

00:31:07.560 public on

00:31:08.080 this.

00:31:09.980 That's my

00:31:10.620 take.

00:31:12.480 So, here

00:31:13.180 are the

00:31:13.440 things which

00:31:14.040 he perhaps

00:31:16.400 did not do

00:31:17.260 in a

00:31:18.900 spectacular

00:31:19.380 way.

00:31:20.740 So, these

00:31:21.860 have some

00:31:22.240 trade-offs.

00:31:22.900 So, just

00:31:23.600 so I'm being

00:31:24.080 fair, because

00:31:25.340 I know the

00:31:25.960 biggest criticism

00:31:27.120 I get, which

00:31:27.920 is completely

00:31:28.540 inaccurate, is

00:31:30.160 that I only

00:31:30.820 say good

00:31:31.280 things about

00:31:31.780 Trump.

00:31:32.840 So, if you're

00:31:33.640 one of those

00:31:34.020 people who

00:31:34.400 thinks I only

00:31:35.120 say good

00:31:35.600 things about

00:31:36.060 Trump, stay

00:31:37.300 tuned.

00:31:38.500 You'll like

00:31:39.120 this part.

00:31:40.920 All right.

00:31:42.160 So, here's

00:31:43.080 some things

00:31:44.260 that are not

00:31:45.360 so good.

00:31:46.360 Certainly, by

00:31:47.440 downplaying the

00:31:48.300 virus, even

00:31:49.000 though there's

00:31:49.440 a reason for

00:31:50.140 it, and I

00:31:50.800 understand the

00:31:51.440 reason, it

00:31:52.820 could cause

00:31:53.400 people to wear

00:31:54.520 fewer masks, and

00:31:56.300 maybe that makes

00:31:56.980 a difference.

00:31:58.200 Do I know

00:31:58.900 that masks

00:31:59.580 make a

00:32:00.060 difference?

00:32:00.640 I do not.

00:32:02.100 But I also

00:32:02.680 don't know that

00:32:03.360 they don't

00:32:03.760 make a

00:32:04.140 difference.

00:32:05.060 So, given

00:32:05.460 so many

00:32:06.040 experts being

00:32:07.440 pretty sure

00:32:08.120 that they do

00:32:08.640 make a

00:32:09.020 difference, the

00:32:10.500 risk management

00:32:11.240 suggests that

00:32:12.660 you should go

00:32:13.660 ahead and wear

00:32:14.060 them, because

00:32:15.260 they might.

00:32:16.520 And at such

00:32:17.260 high stakes, you

00:32:19.440 should do it

00:32:20.380 if it might

00:32:21.000 work.

00:32:22.400 So, I think

00:32:23.160 downplaying the

00:32:24.100 virus has a

00:32:24.720 downside.

00:32:25.380 It has an

00:32:25.800 upside as well.

00:32:26.540 if we get

00:32:27.360 back to

00:32:27.720 work and

00:32:28.080 we're not

00:32:28.380 afraid, but

00:32:29.420 definitely has

00:32:29.880 a downside.

00:32:31.600 He did go

00:32:32.560 out again and

00:32:33.440 say that the

00:32:34.300 coronavirus, he

00:32:35.960 was comparing

00:32:36.580 it to

00:32:37.560 regular flu

00:32:38.720 again.

00:32:40.680 Is it good

00:32:41.820 for the

00:32:42.180 president to

00:32:42.900 compare

00:32:43.280 coronavirus to

00:32:44.460 regular flu?

00:32:45.880 It is

00:32:46.680 terrible.

00:32:48.260 It is

00:32:48.580 terrible.

00:32:49.540 Probably one

00:32:50.720 of the worst

00:32:51.380 things you

00:32:52.980 could do,

00:32:53.420 because it's

00:32:54.880 the one

00:32:55.220 thing that

00:32:55.680 guarantees all

00:32:56.780 of the

00:32:57.060 experts and

00:32:57.720 all the

00:32:58.100 pundits will

00:32:58.720 climb on

00:32:59.440 top of

00:32:59.820 you, and

00:33:00.660 there's just

00:33:01.040 no reason

00:33:01.620 for it.

00:33:02.680 He doesn't

00:33:03.400 need to

00:33:03.820 compare it to

00:33:04.540 the regular

00:33:05.000 flu to

00:33:06.460 make his

00:33:06.960 case that

00:33:08.700 we should

00:33:09.080 still go

00:33:09.720 back to

00:33:10.120 work.

00:33:10.900 You just

00:33:11.380 don't need

00:33:11.860 that comparison

00:33:12.660 and it

00:33:13.220 works against

00:33:14.180 his credibility.

00:33:15.760 Now, the

00:33:16.000 other thing,

00:33:16.460 if you haven't

00:33:17.040 heard this

00:33:17.420 before, the

00:33:18.780 numbers of

00:33:20.000 deaths from

00:33:20.560 the regular

00:33:21.080 flu are

00:33:22.320 complete

00:33:22.780 bullshit as

00:33:23.700 far as I

00:33:24.220 can tell.

00:33:25.580 Have you

00:33:25.920 ever met

00:33:26.540 or heard

00:33:27.540 of or

00:33:28.600 know of

00:33:29.240 anyone who

00:33:30.560 ever died

00:33:31.360 of the

00:33:31.940 regular

00:33:32.300 flu?

00:33:33.380 Maybe some

00:33:34.280 of you do.

00:33:35.520 I don't.

00:33:36.820 I've been

00:33:37.180 around for

00:33:37.660 decades and

00:33:38.320 I've never

00:33:38.640 heard of

00:33:38.900 anybody dying

00:33:40.140 of a

00:33:40.440 regular flu.

00:33:41.480 If it

00:33:41.960 were anywhere

00:33:42.560 near 50,000

00:33:44.660 deaths a

00:33:45.420 year, you

00:33:46.520 would know

00:33:47.140 somebody.

00:33:47.820 50,000

00:33:50.260 deaths a

00:33:50.680 year would

00:33:51.220 be about

00:33:51.620 the number

00:33:52.340 of automobile

00:33:53.360 accidents.

00:33:55.180 Right?

00:33:55.780 Somewhere in

00:33:56.580 that range,

00:33:57.180 automobile

00:33:57.460 accidents.

00:33:58.560 Do you

00:33:58.940 know anybody

00:33:59.560 personally who

00:34:00.440 died in an

00:34:01.260 automobile

00:34:01.660 accident?

00:34:03.040 Yeah, you

00:34:03.440 do.

00:34:04.180 You do.

00:34:05.180 You probably

00:34:05.660 know several

00:34:06.580 people who

00:34:07.820 have died in

00:34:08.380 automobile

00:34:08.840 accidents.

00:34:10.320 How about

00:34:10.880 guns, gun

00:34:12.240 deaths?

00:34:12.880 There's somewhere

00:34:13.580 in the neighborhood

00:34:14.220 of automobile

00:34:15.000 accidents.

00:34:15.880 It's somewhere

00:34:16.640 in the low

00:34:17.220 tens of

00:34:17.720 thousands a

00:34:18.280 year, right?

00:34:19.440 Do you

00:34:19.700 know anybody

00:34:20.340 who ever

00:34:21.700 got killed

00:34:22.480 by a gun?

00:34:24.400 Yeah, you

00:34:24.820 do.

00:34:25.400 Probably.

00:34:26.200 I know

00:34:26.740 one, two,

00:34:28.160 three.

00:34:28.660 I know

00:34:29.180 several people

00:34:29.800 were killed

00:34:30.160 by guns.

00:34:31.780 But I

00:34:32.380 don't know

00:34:32.620 anybody who

00:34:33.140 died from

00:34:33.540 the flu,

00:34:34.440 the regular

00:34:35.000 flu.

00:34:36.280 And I

00:34:38.200 tweeted this

00:34:38.880 morning an

00:34:39.480 article maybe

00:34:40.140 you've seen

00:34:40.480 before in

00:34:41.420 which a

00:34:41.900 doctor explains

00:34:43.160 that we

00:34:43.640 don't count

00:34:44.400 regular flu

00:34:45.360 deaths.

00:34:46.680 Let me

00:34:46.980 say that

00:34:47.380 again.

00:34:48.180 We don't

00:34:48.540 count them.

00:34:50.060 So when

00:34:50.400 somebody says

00:34:50.980 there were

00:34:51.300 50,000

00:34:52.120 flu deaths,

00:34:53.300 where's that

00:34:53.720 number come

00:34:54.260 from?

00:34:55.400 Well, not

00:34:56.240 from counting.

00:34:57.900 I don't know

00:34:58.660 where it comes

00:34:59.100 from, but it

00:34:59.980 doesn't come

00:35:00.420 from anybody

00:35:00.800 counting

00:35:01.300 anything.

00:35:02.240 Apparently,

00:35:03.000 they get

00:35:03.580 lumped in

00:35:04.060 with pneumonia

00:35:05.220 deaths and

00:35:06.020 it's some

00:35:06.340 kind of

00:35:06.680 estimate based

00:35:07.700 on excess

00:35:09.100 deaths or

00:35:09.680 something.

00:35:10.280 But there

00:35:10.740 doesn't seem

00:35:11.320 to be backing

00:35:12.340 for that.

00:35:13.460 And in

00:35:13.700 fact, the

00:35:14.160 real number

00:35:14.600 of flu

00:35:14.920 deaths might

00:35:15.820 be 10%

00:35:16.620 of what's

00:35:17.080 reported.

00:35:19.020 All right.

00:35:20.360 So every

00:35:21.320 time the

00:35:21.660 president compares

00:35:22.500 coronavirus to

00:35:23.620 seasonal flu,

00:35:24.780 he looks

00:35:25.480 uninformed.

00:35:27.680 Even though

00:35:28.400 his point

00:35:29.240 about don't

00:35:30.480 be so afraid,

00:35:31.260 go back to

00:35:31.760 work, that

00:35:32.600 might still be

00:35:33.300 the right thing

00:35:33.840 to do,

00:35:34.520 leadership-wise,

00:35:35.740 I just

00:35:36.280 wouldn't use

00:35:36.800 this comparison

00:35:37.560 because it's

00:35:39.680 just asking

00:35:40.280 for trouble.

00:35:41.920 What about

00:35:42.740 him driving

00:35:43.420 around and

00:35:43.960 putting his

00:35:44.420 secret service

00:35:45.280 at risk by

00:35:46.940 having them

00:35:47.420 in the car

00:35:48.440 with him as

00:35:49.140 he drove

00:35:49.520 around to

00:35:49.960 wave to

00:35:50.340 supporters?

00:35:51.140 On the

00:35:51.800 plus side,

00:35:52.800 I think it

00:35:53.620 was valuable

00:35:54.180 because it

00:35:55.820 does show

00:35:56.680 that the

00:35:57.100 leader is

00:35:57.560 alive, he's

00:35:58.360 still making

00:35:58.800 decisions, he

00:36:00.260 can still be

00:36:00.900 mobile if he

00:36:01.600 has to be,

00:36:02.600 but he did

00:36:03.260 put the

00:36:03.960 secret service

00:36:04.700 at a little

00:36:05.680 bit of risk.

00:36:06.700 Probably not

00:36:07.420 a lot, a

00:36:08.860 little bit, but

00:36:10.100 how do you

00:36:10.400 feel about it?

00:36:11.620 You don't

00:36:12.220 feel good

00:36:12.660 about it, do

00:36:13.140 you?

00:36:13.740 I would say

00:36:14.440 that would be

00:36:15.400 a mistake.

00:36:16.840 I would say

00:36:17.320 there was

00:36:17.640 something to

00:36:18.160 gain, and

00:36:19.280 he gained

00:36:19.740 it, which

00:36:20.240 is he showed

00:36:20.820 the world

00:36:21.140 he's alive,

00:36:21.920 but there

00:36:22.440 was also

00:36:22.800 something to

00:36:23.440 lose because

00:36:24.120 it looked a

00:36:24.600 little selfish.

00:36:25.200 so I

00:36:26.680 think that was

00:36:27.660 a net

00:36:28.060 negative.

00:36:29.120 It wasn't

00:36:29.580 a complete

00:36:30.860 negative because

00:36:32.140 there was

00:36:32.480 something

00:36:32.800 gained, and

00:36:33.500 it was

00:36:33.720 real, and

00:36:34.700 it's what

00:36:35.020 he wanted

00:36:35.500 to gain.

00:36:37.300 But I'm

00:36:38.080 going to

00:36:38.300 judge that

00:36:38.720 one a

00:36:39.240 slight

00:36:39.480 negative.

00:36:42.360 All right.

00:36:44.140 Then what

00:36:44.780 about the

00:36:45.280 question of

00:36:45.960 going home

00:36:46.480 too soon,

00:36:47.900 or is it

00:36:49.040 too soon?

00:36:49.480 I would

00:36:50.240 say that's

00:36:50.840 a slight

00:36:51.660 negative,

00:36:52.520 again, because

00:36:53.540 people are

00:36:53.940 going to

00:36:54.160 criticize him

00:36:54.780 for going

00:36:55.140 home too

00:36:55.520 soon.

00:36:56.040 They might

00:36:56.560 criticize him

00:36:57.340 for exposing

00:36:58.680 more people

00:36:59.360 by going

00:36:59.920 back too

00:37:00.720 soon, but

00:37:01.640 we assume

00:37:02.140 that they'll

00:37:02.580 have at

00:37:03.220 least good

00:37:03.640 measures to

00:37:04.380 keep him

00:37:04.820 socially

00:37:05.180 distanced.

00:37:06.520 But that

00:37:08.240 part is

00:37:09.460 also a

00:37:09.880 trade-off.

00:37:10.800 I would

00:37:11.260 say that

00:37:11.820 going home

00:37:12.440 too soon,

00:37:14.560 he could

00:37:14.960 have waited

00:37:15.260 another day,

00:37:17.400 could have

00:37:17.760 waited another

00:37:18.220 two days,

00:37:18.820 would have

00:37:19.020 been fine,

00:37:19.480 I think.

00:37:21.600 But making

00:37:22.320 it look like

00:37:22.860 he's Superman

00:37:23.420 and going

00:37:23.980 home soon,

00:37:25.340 probably a

00:37:27.340 little more

00:37:27.860 benefit than

00:37:29.000 cost.

00:37:30.080 So I'm

00:37:30.400 going to

00:37:30.540 say again,

00:37:31.660 there was

00:37:31.980 a known

00:37:32.380 benefit he

00:37:33.520 was going

00:37:33.860 for.

00:37:34.320 I think

00:37:34.620 he got

00:37:35.020 it.

00:37:35.340 It makes

00:37:35.640 it look

00:37:35.960 sort of

00:37:36.520 like he's

00:37:36.960 strong and

00:37:37.540 vital.

00:37:38.280 But there's

00:37:38.920 a cost,

00:37:39.700 because it

00:37:40.040 looked like

00:37:40.380 it might

00:37:40.640 have been

00:37:40.940 a little

00:37:41.520 bad

00:37:42.700 judgment

00:37:43.120 to go

00:37:43.680 back that

00:37:44.620 soon.

00:37:45.760 I'd say

00:37:46.340 slight positive

00:37:48.060 there,

00:37:48.620 but not a

00:37:49.100 lot.

00:37:49.480 What about

00:37:52.020 all of his

00:37:53.840 tweets in

00:37:54.640 all caps

00:37:55.380 the day,

00:37:56.800 I think it

00:37:57.220 was the day

00:37:57.540 he went

00:37:57.800 back and

00:37:58.820 he started

00:37:59.200 in the

00:37:59.440 morning with

00:37:59.880 all the

00:38:00.260 tweets in

00:38:01.140 all caps?

00:38:02.380 Not good.

00:38:04.000 Not good.

00:38:05.320 If you add

00:38:06.180 up the

00:38:06.620 all caps

00:38:07.340 tweeting and

00:38:08.800 the fact that

00:38:09.440 he said he

00:38:09.900 feels better

00:38:10.660 than he did

00:38:11.680 20 years

00:38:12.300 ago,

00:38:12.680 that sort

00:38:15.220 of strongly

00:38:15.920 suggests that

00:38:17.540 the steroid

00:38:19.620 type drug

00:38:20.540 that he's

00:38:20.980 on might

00:38:21.700 have an

00:38:22.260 influence on

00:38:22.880 his

00:38:23.100 personality.

00:38:24.500 Now,

00:38:24.880 I told you

00:38:25.320 from my

00:38:25.640 experience

00:38:25.980 from

00:38:26.220 prednisone

00:38:26.980 that it

00:38:27.420 completely

00:38:27.860 changes your

00:38:28.540 personality.

00:38:29.780 You become

00:38:30.420 very aggressive

00:38:33.120 and you

00:38:34.880 think you

00:38:35.340 can conquer

00:38:35.920 the world

00:38:36.420 and you do

00:38:37.020 feel 20

00:38:37.660 years younger.

00:38:38.740 Indeed,

00:38:39.400 you might

00:38:40.020 remember that

00:38:41.340 I explained

00:38:42.600 it exactly in

00:38:43.700 the same

00:38:44.020 terms.

00:38:45.020 I said that

00:38:45.840 on prednisone,

00:38:46.900 you actually

00:38:47.500 just feel like

00:38:48.160 a young

00:38:48.500 person.

00:38:49.480 It just

00:38:49.760 completely

00:38:50.260 turns you

00:38:50.780 into a,

00:38:51.780 you know,

00:38:52.280 in my

00:38:52.860 case,

00:38:53.620 I felt

00:38:54.060 25.

00:38:55.540 You know,

00:38:55.800 I could

00:38:56.180 do any

00:38:57.260 exercise.

00:38:58.840 You know,

00:38:59.040 I could run

00:38:59.520 all day

00:38:59.920 without getting

00:39:00.460 sore.

00:39:01.220 I could do

00:39:01.680 anything.

00:39:02.280 It was like

00:39:02.620 a super

00:39:03.000 drug.

00:39:03.960 Now,

00:39:04.620 I worry

00:39:05.300 that when

00:39:06.400 you take

00:39:06.740 somebody with

00:39:07.500 Trump's

00:39:08.020 personality

00:39:08.620 and you

00:39:09.140 put them

00:39:09.540 on a

00:39:10.100 super

00:39:10.400 drug

00:39:10.780 that makes

00:39:11.620 you feel

00:39:12.060 stronger

00:39:12.640 and more

00:39:13.180 confident

00:39:13.740 and more

00:39:14.320 aggressive

00:39:14.720 than you

00:39:15.620 would have

00:39:16.020 felt

00:39:16.240 normally,

00:39:17.200 that's not

00:39:18.200 a good

00:39:18.480 situation.

00:39:19.840 And I

00:39:20.160 would go so

00:39:20.720 far as to

00:39:21.300 say,

00:39:21.560 I'm not

00:39:22.640 a doctor,

00:39:23.700 so obviously

00:39:24.400 this would be

00:39:24.940 a doctor

00:39:25.460 decision,

00:39:26.260 not a

00:39:27.320 Scott

00:39:27.640 watching

00:39:28.020 from

00:39:28.440 thousands

00:39:29.340 of miles

00:39:29.740 away

00:39:30.100 decision,

00:39:31.160 but I

00:39:32.480 would like

00:39:32.880 an answer

00:39:33.380 on whether

00:39:33.920 he should

00:39:34.380 be 25th

00:39:35.460 amendmented

00:39:36.440 and Pence

00:39:37.860 should be

00:39:38.240 in charge

00:39:38.660 while he's

00:39:39.040 on that

00:39:39.340 drug.

00:39:40.760 So,

00:39:41.320 let me say

00:39:42.040 that again

00:39:42.480 because you're

00:39:42.880 not going

00:39:43.160 to like it,

00:39:43.740 so I want

00:39:44.160 to make

00:39:44.400 sure that

00:39:44.800 when I

00:39:45.080 say something

00:39:45.520 you don't

00:39:45.920 like,

00:39:46.260 I say it

00:39:46.620 really clearly.

00:39:49.540 He's

00:39:50.020 showing some

00:39:50.600 indications

00:39:51.200 the all

00:39:52.340 caps

00:39:52.680 tweeting

00:39:53.100 being a

00:39:53.580 real tell

00:39:54.440 with the

00:39:55.760 20 years

00:39:56.360 younger,

00:39:57.000 with the

00:39:57.380 going home

00:39:58.020 a little

00:39:58.300 early,

00:39:59.260 being a

00:39:59.680 little

00:39:59.800 aggressive

00:40:00.220 on that

00:40:00.740 stuff,

00:40:01.240 and then

00:40:01.760 just the

00:40:02.140 way he's

00:40:02.580 talking about

00:40:03.320 beating the

00:40:03.900 virus and

00:40:04.540 don't be

00:40:05.360 afraid of

00:40:05.820 it.

00:40:06.660 If you put

00:40:07.420 them all

00:40:07.660 together,

00:40:09.200 and again,

00:40:09.660 I'm not a

00:40:10.140 doctor,

00:40:10.900 I'm just a

00:40:11.540 citizen who

00:40:12.680 doesn't want

00:40:13.200 the country

00:40:13.680 to blow up

00:40:14.380 in a nuclear

00:40:15.280 fireball.

00:40:16.620 That's

00:40:17.100 where I'm

00:40:18.060 coming from.

00:40:19.920 I think

00:40:20.900 the question

00:40:21.380 has to be

00:40:21.900 asked.

00:40:22.740 The question

00:40:23.260 has to be

00:40:23.880 asked if

00:40:25.060 he should

00:40:25.480 be taken

00:40:26.200 off the

00:40:26.960 field until

00:40:28.320 he's off

00:40:28.780 that drug.

00:40:30.080 I'd like to

00:40:30.640 hear his

00:40:31.480 doctor say,

00:40:32.800 no,

00:40:33.100 there's no

00:40:33.940 change in

00:40:34.400 his personality

00:40:35.080 from that

00:40:35.640 drug.

00:40:37.020 That might

00:40:37.660 be the

00:40:37.920 case.

00:40:38.960 I'd like to

00:40:39.500 hear the

00:40:39.740 doctor say,

00:40:40.560 no,

00:40:40.800 no,

00:40:40.980 no,

00:40:41.160 at the

00:40:41.520 levels we

00:40:43.000 gave it to

00:40:43.520 him,

00:40:43.820 you don't

00:40:44.200 even have to

00:40:44.660 worry about

00:40:45.060 side effects

00:40:45.660 because we

00:40:46.240 gave him

00:40:46.560 so little.

00:40:47.180 I don't

00:40:47.340 know if

00:40:47.540 that's the

00:40:47.880 case.

00:40:48.640 I'm just

00:40:48.980 saying that

00:40:49.420 if the

00:40:49.720 doctor told

00:40:50.280 me that,

00:40:50.740 I'd say,

00:40:51.120 okay,

00:40:52.400 I'm still

00:40:52.820 seeing these

00:40:53.380 signs,

00:40:54.000 but you're

00:40:54.400 the doctor.

00:40:55.900 I'd be

00:40:56.500 willing to

00:40:57.000 go with a

00:40:57.440 professional

00:40:57.920 opinion who

00:40:58.600 was close

00:40:59.160 to it,

00:41:00.320 but without

00:41:00.840 that,

00:41:02.000 without the

00:41:02.700 doctor saying,

00:41:03.360 okay,

00:41:03.720 I hear what

00:41:04.160 you're saying,

00:41:05.360 I hear what

00:41:06.240 you're saying

00:41:06.560 about his

00:41:06.960 personality

00:41:07.540 change and

00:41:08.320 that would

00:41:08.960 match the

00:41:09.600 side effects

00:41:10.100 that are

00:41:10.880 known with

00:41:11.480 this drug,

00:41:12.780 so maybe

00:41:13.260 we just,

00:41:13.800 give the

00:41:15.580 nuclear codes

00:41:16.500 to Pence

00:41:17.460 for a

00:41:17.860 week,

00:41:19.140 just maybe

00:41:20.120 that one

00:41:20.560 thing.

00:41:21.860 At the

00:41:22.520 very least,

00:41:24.280 I would

00:41:24.880 like to

00:41:25.240 speak directly

00:41:25.960 to whoever

00:41:26.560 is in the

00:41:27.100 nuclear chain

00:41:28.060 of command.

00:41:29.080 If you get

00:41:29.860 a nuclear

00:41:31.180 command from

00:41:33.220 President Trump

00:41:34.040 this week,

00:41:35.200 maybe get a

00:41:37.780 second opinion.

00:41:39.020 That's all I'm

00:41:39.580 saying.

00:41:39.800 if the word

00:41:41.360 comes down

00:41:41.880 to launch

00:41:42.440 the nuclear

00:41:43.100 arsenal this

00:41:44.080 week,

00:41:44.900 first thing

00:41:46.020 you should do

00:41:46.460 is call

00:41:46.880 Pence.

00:41:48.120 The first

00:41:48.900 thing you

00:41:49.200 should do

00:41:49.520 is not

00:41:49.980 launch.

00:41:51.800 First

00:41:52.280 thing,

00:41:53.260 call Mike

00:41:53.740 Pence.

00:41:55.020 Get a

00:41:55.280 second opinion.

00:41:56.360 That's what

00:41:56.660 I'd do.

00:41:58.040 And I'm

00:41:58.640 completely

00:41:58.960 serious about

00:41:59.680 this,

00:41:59.940 by the way,

00:42:00.640 and it's

00:42:00.940 based on my

00:42:01.540 own recent

00:42:02.060 experience with

00:42:03.000 prednisone.

00:42:04.240 It's a

00:42:04.500 different drug,

00:42:05.900 but I think

00:42:06.540 some similarities.

00:42:07.420 Reporters are

00:42:09.820 mad because

00:42:10.380 I guess the

00:42:10.880 White House

00:42:11.240 put them

00:42:11.660 at risk.

00:42:13.060 And also

00:42:13.660 there are

00:42:15.240 reports that

00:42:15.900 the White

00:42:16.220 House in

00:42:16.820 general,

00:42:17.340 the staff

00:42:17.820 was not

00:42:18.300 taking

00:42:18.660 seriously

00:42:19.260 the social

00:42:19.780 distancing,

00:42:20.860 did not

00:42:21.540 take seriously

00:42:22.280 the mask

00:42:22.900 wearing,

00:42:23.840 and got

00:42:24.320 exactly the

00:42:25.780 predicted

00:42:26.260 outcome,

00:42:27.280 a bunch of

00:42:27.760 infections,

00:42:28.680 which would

00:42:29.340 also have an

00:42:29.880 effect on

00:42:30.320 the reporters.

00:42:31.840 Do you

00:42:32.060 think the

00:42:32.380 reporters are

00:42:33.060 happy,

00:42:33.500 the ones

00:42:33.840 that cover

00:42:34.220 the White

00:42:34.580 House?

00:42:35.500 Not so

00:42:36.080 happy.

00:42:36.500 not so

00:42:37.520 happy at

00:42:37.960 all.

00:42:42.640 Somebody's

00:42:43.200 arguing with

00:42:43.860 me in the

00:42:44.200 comments,

00:42:45.240 all caps

00:42:45.820 doesn't

00:42:46.400 equal

00:42:46.880 aggression.

00:42:48.080 No.

00:42:48.940 Any one

00:42:49.560 of those

00:42:50.040 signs,

00:42:51.620 the all

00:42:52.000 caps,

00:42:53.200 the acting

00:42:54.040 strong like

00:42:54.780 a bowl,

00:42:55.600 feeling better

00:42:56.340 than 20

00:42:56.780 years ago,

00:42:57.540 all of those

00:42:58.400 things individually

00:42:59.360 are not

00:43:00.840 alarming.

00:43:02.140 If you saw

00:43:02.700 any one of

00:43:03.320 them,

00:43:03.540 you'd say,

00:43:03.880 eh,

00:43:04.160 whatever.

00:43:05.380 It's just

00:43:05.860 the collection

00:43:06.460 of them

00:43:07.080 combined with

00:43:08.620 the fact

00:43:09.000 that he's

00:43:09.420 on a drug

00:43:09.920 that would

00:43:10.440 cause you

00:43:10.940 to act

00:43:11.320 exactly like

00:43:12.080 that.

00:43:13.820 So,

00:43:14.760 the question

00:43:16.740 has to be

00:43:17.120 asked.

00:43:21.920 Now,

00:43:22.460 here's the

00:43:22.760 other question.

00:43:23.700 Do you

00:43:24.060 think that

00:43:24.600 a president

00:43:25.360 should always

00:43:26.360 give you

00:43:26.940 the truth?

00:43:28.420 Do you

00:43:28.700 think that

00:43:29.060 it's the

00:43:29.400 job of

00:43:29.760 the president

00:43:30.200 to always

00:43:31.540 give you

00:43:32.100 the accurate

00:43:33.160 story about

00:43:34.880 anything?

00:43:36.320 I would

00:43:36.940 argue,

00:43:37.700 no,

00:43:38.660 it is not

00:43:39.320 the president's

00:43:40.000 job to

00:43:40.880 give you

00:43:41.280 the truth.

00:43:42.620 And indeed,

00:43:43.240 if a president

00:43:43.940 only ever gave

00:43:44.940 you the truth,

00:43:46.200 you would want

00:43:46.940 to get rid of

00:43:47.420 that president

00:43:47.960 pretty quickly.

00:43:49.040 Let me give

00:43:49.540 you some

00:43:49.840 examples.

00:43:50.960 Should the

00:43:51.360 president tell

00:43:52.020 you what all

00:43:52.600 of their

00:43:52.920 options are

00:43:53.780 for military

00:43:54.620 responses?

00:43:56.040 No,

00:43:56.900 of course not.

00:43:57.920 You don't

00:43:58.440 want the

00:43:58.800 president

00:43:59.220 telling the

00:44:00.560 adversaries

00:44:01.160 what our

00:44:01.700 military options

00:44:02.740 are or what

00:44:03.460 we're thinking

00:44:03.940 about that or

00:44:05.100 what we know

00:44:05.720 about their

00:44:06.280 military plans.

00:44:07.960 So when it

00:44:09.000 comes to

00:44:09.320 military stuff,

00:44:10.140 you do want

00:44:11.480 the president

00:44:11.960 to lie to

00:44:12.680 the public

00:44:13.120 because it's

00:44:14.680 important.

00:44:15.680 What about

00:44:16.360 the economy?

00:44:18.420 Do you want

00:44:19.040 the president

00:44:19.540 to tell you

00:44:20.300 precisely,

00:44:21.460 exactly the

00:44:22.260 truth about

00:44:22.960 the economy

00:44:23.580 or would

00:44:24.660 you like

00:44:25.080 maybe,

00:44:25.840 let's call

00:44:26.200 it an

00:44:26.620 enhanced

00:44:27.160 version of

00:44:27.920 the truth?

00:44:29.000 Let's say

00:44:29.580 a little

00:44:30.540 extra on

00:44:31.540 top of the

00:44:32.060 truth,

00:44:32.400 which would

00:44:32.780 be better.

00:44:34.300 What would

00:44:34.960 be better

00:44:35.340 is the

00:44:35.680 extra.

00:44:37.220 Talking about

00:44:38.580 the economy

00:44:39.220 in dry,

00:44:40.460 accurate terms

00:44:41.340 is not good

00:44:42.120 for the

00:44:42.480 economy because

00:44:43.700 as I've

00:44:44.120 told you

00:44:44.400 many times,

00:44:44.940 the economy

00:44:45.340 is a

00:44:46.380 psychology

00:44:46.880 machine.

00:44:48.060 If you

00:44:48.560 get the

00:44:48.900 psychology

00:44:49.380 right,

00:44:50.460 then people

00:44:50.940 feel optimistic

00:44:51.840 and they

00:44:52.960 have confidence,

00:44:54.080 they invest,

00:44:55.280 they buy,

00:44:56.200 and that's

00:44:56.480 what drives

00:44:56.880 the economy.

00:44:57.800 So if you

00:44:58.260 don't give

00:44:58.580 the economy

00:44:59.120 confidence,

00:45:00.380 it doesn't

00:45:00.840 operate right.

00:45:01.640 So should

00:45:03.040 the president

00:45:03.500 give you

00:45:03.960 an exact

00:45:04.800 description

00:45:05.840 of the

00:45:06.200 economy

00:45:06.620 with no

00:45:07.400 hyperbole

00:45:08.120 or should

00:45:09.520 the president

00:45:10.120 be largely

00:45:12.160 true but

00:45:13.460 give you a

00:45:13.920 little extra

00:45:14.560 so that you

00:45:15.820 say to

00:45:16.080 yourself,

00:45:16.560 whoa,

00:45:16.740 that's a

00:45:17.160 little better

00:45:17.500 than I

00:45:17.840 thought it

00:45:18.120 was.

00:45:18.740 I'd better

00:45:19.320 invest.

00:45:20.360 Oh,

00:45:20.620 that sounds

00:45:20.980 pretty good.

00:45:21.700 I think I'll

00:45:22.240 spend a little

00:45:22.800 extra because

00:45:23.740 I think things

00:45:24.320 are going to

00:45:24.620 go well.

00:45:25.380 The answer

00:45:26.060 is your

00:45:26.580 president should

00:45:27.320 lie to you.

00:45:28.820 It doesn't

00:45:29.220 matter who the

00:45:29.720 president is.

00:45:30.900 They should

00:45:31.300 lie to you

00:45:32.140 a little

00:45:33.000 bit.

00:45:34.100 Maybe a

00:45:34.540 20% lie

00:45:36.220 would be

00:45:36.640 about right.

00:45:37.720 You should

00:45:38.100 talk up the

00:45:38.840 economy.

00:45:39.780 You should

00:45:40.040 say it's

00:45:40.400 better than

00:45:40.960 it is.

00:45:41.380 You should

00:45:41.620 say it's

00:45:41.960 going in the

00:45:42.460 right direction

00:45:43.020 even if it's

00:45:43.640 not quite.

00:45:45.020 The optimism

00:45:45.740 that the

00:45:46.280 president puts

00:45:46.920 on the

00:45:47.200 economy is

00:45:47.660 one of his

00:45:48.080 strongest qualities

00:45:50.240 as a

00:45:50.760 president.

00:45:51.820 Now,

00:45:52.060 what about

00:45:52.480 coronavirus?

00:45:54.620 Is

00:45:54.840 coronavirus,

00:45:55.980 and because

00:45:56.380 this is

00:45:56.780 health,

00:45:57.820 should the

00:45:58.220 president give

00:45:58.780 you an

00:45:59.200 exact,

00:46:01.060 really

00:46:01.660 accurate,

00:46:03.020 dry,

00:46:04.160 no hyperbole,

00:46:05.360 no exaggeration,

00:46:06.900 nothing left

00:46:07.940 out,

00:46:09.180 any bad

00:46:10.260 news included,

00:46:11.640 should he

00:46:12.000 give you the

00:46:12.460 most accurate

00:46:13.440 news he could

00:46:14.240 give you about

00:46:15.500 the coronavirus?

00:46:17.680 Well,

00:46:18.200 a lot of

00:46:18.460 people say

00:46:18.880 yes.

00:46:19.380 A lot of

00:46:19.780 people say

00:46:20.220 let us

00:46:20.820 decide.

00:46:22.000 Let the

00:46:22.460 citizens

00:46:22.860 decide.

00:46:23.560 We'll

00:46:23.760 decide how

00:46:25.000 afraid we

00:46:25.620 are.

00:46:26.200 We'll

00:46:26.620 decide what

00:46:27.180 to do

00:46:27.500 with it.

00:46:28.160 Just be

00:46:28.640 accurate.

00:46:29.780 Just give

00:46:30.240 us the

00:46:30.540 accurate

00:46:30.940 information.

00:46:32.060 That's

00:46:32.280 a reasonable

00:46:33.000 opinion,

00:46:33.900 I'd say.

00:46:36.780 Here's a

00:46:37.520 better

00:46:37.780 reasonable

00:46:38.420 opinion,

00:46:39.320 in my

00:46:40.000 opinion,

00:46:40.620 that he

00:46:42.420 should talk

00:46:43.020 it up a

00:46:43.640 little bit.

00:46:45.200 In other

00:46:45.600 words,

00:46:46.120 he should

00:46:46.700 try to,

00:46:48.300 if we

00:46:49.440 know that

00:46:49.960 the goal

00:46:50.480 is to

00:46:51.040 open up

00:46:51.840 because the

00:46:52.880 alternative is

00:46:53.700 worse,

00:46:54.100 so the

00:46:55.100 alternative is

00:46:55.880 staying

00:46:56.120 closed,

00:46:57.100 that's

00:46:58.040 just

00:46:58.220 worse.

00:46:59.120 We have

00:46:59.620 two bad

00:47:00.280 options.

00:47:01.480 One is

00:47:01.980 really bad,

00:47:03.200 one is

00:47:03.760 not quite

00:47:04.520 as bad,

00:47:05.080 we hope,

00:47:05.820 opening up,

00:47:06.880 but they

00:47:07.940 both have

00:47:08.360 lots of

00:47:08.760 risks.

00:47:10.220 Under those

00:47:10.860 conditions,

00:47:11.560 what do you

00:47:11.960 want your

00:47:12.340 leader to

00:47:13.000 tell the

00:47:13.420 country?

00:47:14.080 If you

00:47:14.700 know that

00:47:15.200 what's good

00:47:15.680 for the

00:47:15.980 country is

00:47:17.040 they take

00:47:17.480 on some

00:47:17.920 risk,

00:47:18.840 what is the

00:47:19.740 best way to

00:47:20.320 treat that?

00:47:20.800 probably

00:47:23.260 something

00:47:23.720 pretty close

00:47:24.600 to the

00:47:24.900 way he's

00:47:25.220 doing it,

00:47:25.920 which is

00:47:26.720 he's

00:47:27.000 underplaying

00:47:27.740 the risk

00:47:28.480 because he

00:47:30.100 wants you

00:47:30.520 to go

00:47:30.780 back to

00:47:31.200 work.

00:47:32.220 Now,

00:47:32.800 is anybody

00:47:33.620 unaware,

00:47:35.100 is there

00:47:35.440 any citizen

00:47:36.180 in the

00:47:36.480 United States

00:47:36.980 who doesn't

00:47:37.960 know they

00:47:39.360 could die

00:47:39.980 from the

00:47:40.420 coronavirus?

00:47:41.680 Nope.

00:47:42.360 There's not

00:47:42.980 one person

00:47:43.700 in the

00:47:44.040 United States,

00:47:44.780 not a

00:47:45.260 single person,

00:47:46.140 who doesn't

00:47:47.340 understand that

00:47:48.720 they personally

00:47:49.460 could die

00:47:50.460 from the

00:47:50.800 coronavirus.

00:47:52.100 They also

00:47:52.780 know that

00:47:53.900 experts have

00:47:54.960 these

00:47:55.220 recommendations

00:47:55.840 about what

00:47:56.400 to do

00:47:56.680 and what

00:47:56.980 not to

00:47:57.320 do.

00:47:57.860 People

00:47:58.340 are pretty

00:47:58.940 well informed.

00:48:00.660 So when

00:48:00.940 the president

00:48:01.380 gives you

00:48:01.860 a little

00:48:02.180 dose of,

00:48:02.900 let's say,

00:48:04.000 20%

00:48:04.880 extra

00:48:05.520 enhanced,

00:48:07.460 let's say,

00:48:08.660 messaging,

00:48:09.320 because I

00:48:10.600 don't want to

00:48:10.920 say that it's

00:48:11.540 wrong or it's

00:48:12.240 a lie,

00:48:13.200 because it's

00:48:13.680 not the

00:48:14.060 president's

00:48:15.200 job to

00:48:16.300 give you

00:48:16.660 accuracy.

00:48:17.840 It's the

00:48:18.540 president's

00:48:19.020 job to

00:48:19.540 lead.

00:48:20.460 And sometimes

00:48:21.580 the leader

00:48:22.240 needs to

00:48:23.200 paint a

00:48:23.640 picture of

00:48:24.720 where you're

00:48:25.180 heading,

00:48:25.640 and it's a

00:48:26.160 little bit

00:48:26.560 rosier than

00:48:27.900 maybe accuracy

00:48:29.080 would suggest.

00:48:30.320 If you had a

00:48:31.080 military leader,

00:48:32.260 you need them

00:48:32.900 to say,

00:48:33.320 we're going to

00:48:33.620 win this

00:48:34.020 fight, go

00:48:34.620 into battle.

00:48:35.360 You don't

00:48:36.040 want them

00:48:36.480 dwelling on

00:48:37.300 the casualties

00:48:39.060 that are

00:48:39.540 coming.

00:48:40.740 You don't

00:48:41.440 want your

00:48:41.780 general to

00:48:42.280 say, man,

00:48:43.120 there are

00:48:43.280 going to

00:48:43.380 be a lot

00:48:43.780 of people

00:48:44.080 dead in

00:48:44.520 this battle.

00:48:45.920 Two out of

00:48:46.540 three of you

00:48:47.100 are going to

00:48:47.440 be dead,

00:48:48.100 but go out

00:48:49.120 there and do

00:48:49.460 it anyway.

00:48:50.540 That's not

00:48:50.940 very motivating.

00:48:52.700 It's good that

00:48:53.540 people know

00:48:54.160 the risks,

00:48:54.920 but I think

00:48:55.320 they do from

00:48:56.220 the experts,

00:48:57.040 from the

00:48:57.360 pundits,

00:48:57.780 from the

00:48:58.060 news.

00:48:58.920 And I

00:48:59.460 don't think

00:49:00.020 it's wrong

00:49:00.440 for the

00:49:00.720 president to

00:49:01.620 put the

00:49:03.160 better spin

00:49:03.720 on it.

00:49:04.120 That's probably

00:49:04.500 the right

00:49:04.880 instinct.

00:49:08.140 What's it?

00:49:09.160 Maureen

00:49:09.560 Dowd said

00:49:10.860 in a tweet,

00:49:12.060 when Trump

00:49:12.500 walked through

00:49:12.960 the doors,

00:49:14.240 Walter Reed

00:49:15.000 had a

00:49:15.420 stellar

00:49:15.680 reputation.

00:49:17.220 As he

00:49:17.600 walks down

00:49:18.060 72 hours

00:49:18.940 later,

00:49:19.320 his reputation

00:49:20.000 is in

00:49:20.460 tatters.

00:49:21.840 There's

00:49:22.300 nothing

00:49:22.640 Trump

00:49:23.000 can't

00:49:23.480 ruin.

00:49:24.380 Well,

00:49:24.600 there's

00:49:24.780 nothing he

00:49:25.200 doesn't

00:49:25.480 change,

00:49:26.080 that's for

00:49:26.520 sure.

00:49:27.320 And I

00:49:27.960 have to

00:49:28.280 admit,

00:49:28.740 I would

00:49:29.160 agree with

00:49:29.760 her that

00:49:30.840 Walter Reed

00:49:31.600 was diminished

00:49:32.840 by this

00:49:33.500 experience.

00:49:35.040 The doctor

00:49:36.340 who came

00:49:37.120 out and

00:49:37.600 lied about

00:49:38.240 giving

00:49:38.780 Trump

00:49:39.980 oxygen,

00:49:40.960 now he

00:49:41.280 didn't

00:49:41.580 technically

00:49:42.160 lie,

00:49:42.800 right?

00:49:43.500 He

00:49:43.820 weasel

00:49:44.240 worded

00:49:44.680 it so

00:49:44.980 he didn't

00:49:45.280 have to

00:49:45.620 answer the

00:49:46.060 question the

00:49:46.660 first day.

00:49:47.640 Then later

00:49:48.220 he kind

00:49:49.260 of admitted

00:49:49.700 that he

00:49:50.060 lied,

00:49:50.580 but he

00:49:50.860 didn't say

00:49:51.320 he lied.

00:49:52.580 As soon

00:49:53.220 as that

00:49:53.540 happened,

00:49:54.600 as soon

00:49:55.020 as I

00:49:55.280 saw that

00:49:55.660 Dr.

00:49:56.140 Conley

00:49:56.520 weasel

00:49:58.100 worded,

00:49:58.460 it's like,

00:49:59.260 has the

00:50:00.240 president

00:50:00.500 received

00:50:01.020 oxygen?

00:50:02.040 He's not

00:50:02.760 on oxygen

00:50:03.480 now.

00:50:04.920 Okay,

00:50:05.440 that's not

00:50:05.820 what we

00:50:06.120 asked.

00:50:07.100 Has the

00:50:07.700 president

00:50:08.060 ever been

00:50:08.980 on oxygen

00:50:09.540 for the

00:50:10.020 coronavirus?

00:50:12.000 Going

00:50:12.480 forward,

00:50:13.700 he's not

00:50:14.180 going to

00:50:14.380 be on

00:50:14.740 oxygen.

00:50:15.500 Okay,

00:50:16.460 sounds like

00:50:17.320 you're lying

00:50:17.880 to us.

00:50:18.820 We'll try

00:50:19.220 it again.

00:50:20.680 Has the

00:50:21.200 president

00:50:21.560 ever in

00:50:22.340 the past

00:50:22.900 been on

00:50:23.980 oxygen?

00:50:24.900 Well,

00:50:25.240 he's not

00:50:25.740 on oxygen

00:50:26.440 now.

00:50:28.360 Really?

00:50:29.900 Now,

00:50:30.680 you might

00:50:32.600 say to

00:50:32.980 yourself,

00:50:33.800 okay,

00:50:34.160 somebody

00:50:34.540 got to

00:50:35.100 the doctor

00:50:35.600 and said,

00:50:36.740 okay,

00:50:37.040 doctor,

00:50:37.880 don't mention

00:50:38.520 this initial

00:50:39.180 oxygen because

00:50:40.500 he's not

00:50:40.900 on it

00:50:41.200 now,

00:50:41.580 so it's

00:50:41.860 not that

00:50:42.200 important.

00:50:42.820 You want

00:50:43.080 to manage

00:50:43.540 what the

00:50:43.920 public

00:50:45.080 thinks.

00:50:46.700 And

00:50:47.020 somehow

00:50:47.860 they got

00:50:48.340 this poor

00:50:49.020 doctor to

00:50:49.740 lie in

00:50:50.260 public.

00:50:51.700 I'm not

00:50:52.480 happy about

00:50:53.100 that,

00:50:54.000 right?

00:50:54.400 But I

00:50:54.960 also think

00:50:55.480 it was his

00:50:55.880 own damn

00:50:56.340 fault.

00:50:57.480 Did anybody

00:50:58.080 twist the

00:50:58.780 doctor's arm

00:50:59.640 to make him

00:51:00.980 lie?

00:51:01.440 Probably.

00:51:03.080 Probably.

00:51:04.000 Don't you

00:51:04.440 think there

00:51:04.740 was a little

00:51:05.140 arm twisting

00:51:05.760 going on

00:51:06.360 behind the

00:51:06.820 scenes?

00:51:07.540 Doctor,

00:51:08.540 whatever you

00:51:09.160 do,

00:51:09.620 don't mention

00:51:10.340 that oxygen

00:51:11.060 that I

00:51:11.660 got on

00:51:12.040 day one,

00:51:13.160 it would

00:51:13.640 mean a

00:51:13.940 lot to

00:51:14.240 me.

00:51:15.640 Now,

00:51:15.980 doctor doesn't

00:51:16.600 want to

00:51:16.820 get fired,

00:51:18.000 right?

00:51:18.520 The doctor

00:51:19.200 doesn't want

00:51:19.640 to get

00:51:19.820 fired by

00:51:20.460 the president

00:51:20.980 because handling

00:51:22.480 the president

00:51:23.100 is a big

00:51:24.140 honor.

00:51:24.780 It's like a

00:51:25.320 feather in

00:51:25.740 your cap.

00:51:26.280 You don't

00:51:26.460 want to get

00:51:26.780 fired from

00:51:27.340 that.

00:51:28.040 And you

00:51:28.380 know the

00:51:28.700 president

00:51:29.000 would fire

00:51:29.620 you.

00:51:30.700 He would.

00:51:31.700 The doctor

00:51:32.340 would fire a

00:51:33.080 president in

00:51:33.720 a heartbeat if

00:51:34.620 he wasn't

00:51:34.960 getting what

00:51:35.360 he wanted.

00:51:36.300 So was

00:51:36.940 the doctor

00:51:38.020 directly or

00:51:40.400 by implication

00:51:41.280 or even

00:51:41.940 by reputation

00:51:42.780 since Trump

00:51:43.800 is a

00:51:44.140 firer?

00:51:45.580 Was he

00:51:46.120 coerced

00:51:46.760 into lying?

00:51:48.240 Probably.

00:51:49.520 Probably.

00:51:50.800 But whose

00:51:51.960 fault is it?

00:51:53.360 Still the

00:51:54.020 doctor.

00:51:56.200 You know,

00:51:56.520 nobody moved

00:51:57.340 his lips.

00:51:58.720 He had a

00:51:59.360 choice.

00:52:00.480 And I

00:52:00.740 think that

00:52:01.160 the reputation

00:52:01.860 of Walter

00:52:02.720 Reed definitely

00:52:03.600 took a hit

00:52:04.200 because of

00:52:05.580 that first

00:52:06.560 lie.

00:52:06.920 after that

00:52:07.580 you don't

00:52:08.360 believe

00:52:09.500 anything

00:52:09.880 after the

00:52:10.280 first one.

00:52:13.300 Let's see

00:52:14.040 what else

00:52:14.460 we got

00:52:14.780 going on

00:52:15.260 here.

00:52:16.480 Here's

00:52:16.980 a better

00:52:17.940 way that

00:52:18.420 I would

00:52:18.840 frame

00:52:19.880 the

00:52:20.940 president's

00:52:21.680 leadership.

00:52:22.980 As you

00:52:23.600 saw from

00:52:24.060 the Jake

00:52:24.640 Tapper

00:52:24.980 comment,

00:52:25.760 which was

00:52:26.180 you knew

00:52:28.920 that he

00:52:29.200 was vulnerable

00:52:29.700 to this

00:52:30.180 comment,

00:52:30.760 that the

00:52:31.180 president

00:52:31.500 was vulnerable.

00:52:32.620 The comment

00:52:33.220 being that

00:52:34.000 the president

00:52:35.060 blundered

00:52:35.840 into getting

00:52:37.400 the coronavirus

00:52:38.100 and now

00:52:39.040 he's trying

00:52:39.560 to act

00:52:40.100 as though

00:52:40.520 it was

00:52:40.780 part of

00:52:41.120 his leadership

00:52:41.740 to get

00:52:42.980 the virus

00:52:43.500 and show

00:52:44.000 that he

00:52:44.640 could live

00:52:45.000 through it

00:52:45.380 or something.

00:52:46.360 And of

00:52:46.620 course,

00:52:46.920 that's a

00:52:47.240 very mockable

00:52:48.000 position.

00:52:51.180 Somebody's

00:52:51.660 saying that

00:52:52.020 the HIPAA

00:52:52.460 laws or

00:52:52.960 why the

00:52:53.300 doctor

00:52:53.660 couldn't

00:52:54.200 answer that

00:52:54.680 question.

00:52:55.220 That's not

00:52:55.720 good enough.

00:52:57.000 I know

00:52:57.300 what you're

00:52:57.540 saying,

00:52:57.840 but that's

00:52:58.100 not good

00:52:58.480 enough because

00:52:59.340 the doctor

00:52:59.740 obviously could

00:53:00.500 have gotten

00:53:00.820 permission to

00:53:01.540 say anything

00:53:02.660 he wanted

00:53:03.140 or he

00:53:03.620 could have

00:53:03.940 said,

00:53:04.300 I'm just

00:53:04.560 not talking

00:53:05.080 about that

00:53:05.460 first day.

00:53:06.540 He didn't

00:53:06.880 have to

00:53:07.300 lie.

00:53:07.680 That was

00:53:07.900 a choice.

00:53:11.180 So here's

00:53:11.800 a better

00:53:12.060 framing.

00:53:12.440 Instead of

00:53:13.100 saying that

00:53:13.660 he got

00:53:16.160 it so

00:53:16.580 that,

00:53:17.040 I don't

00:53:17.320 know,

00:53:17.680 it's part

00:53:18.220 of good

00:53:18.500 leadership,

00:53:19.280 I would

00:53:19.660 say it

00:53:19.860 this way.

00:53:21.320 That the

00:53:21.800 country

00:53:22.340 values

00:53:23.480 freedom

00:53:24.120 over

00:53:25.160 absolute

00:53:25.760 safety.

00:53:27.940 Right?

00:53:28.660 The country

00:53:29.500 values

00:53:30.140 freedom

00:53:30.820 over

00:53:32.180 absolute

00:53:32.960 safety.

00:53:34.640 And that's

00:53:35.320 a really

00:53:35.560 strong

00:53:35.940 frame because

00:53:36.760 you say

00:53:37.180 that and

00:53:37.600 people,

00:53:38.860 as soon as

00:53:39.340 you hear

00:53:39.620 that,

00:53:40.540 you might

00:53:40.980 want to

00:53:41.320 argue with

00:53:41.840 it and

00:53:42.260 you say,

00:53:42.700 yes,

00:53:43.220 but,

00:53:44.760 okay,

00:53:45.240 well,

00:53:45.380 that's just

00:53:45.760 true.

00:53:47.140 The country

00:53:47.760 values

00:53:48.380 freedom

00:53:48.940 over

00:53:49.960 absolute

00:53:50.700 safety.

00:53:52.060 And that

00:53:52.740 what the

00:53:53.180 president was

00:53:53.820 doing was

00:53:54.420 modeling

00:53:54.920 exactly that.

00:53:56.500 The

00:53:56.740 president

00:53:57.140 was,

00:53:57.820 he was

00:53:59.540 experiencing

00:54:00.420 his own

00:54:01.000 freedom,

00:54:02.120 meaning he

00:54:02.660 was a

00:54:02.920 little

00:54:03.060 lax with

00:54:03.720 the masks

00:54:04.320 and social

00:54:05.180 distancing,

00:54:07.180 and that

00:54:08.320 freedom had

00:54:08.840 a price.

00:54:10.500 He paid

00:54:11.220 the price.

00:54:12.680 Right?

00:54:12.980 And he's

00:54:13.680 asking other

00:54:14.300 people to

00:54:15.120 similarly

00:54:16.100 to value

00:54:18.720 freedom first.

00:54:20.440 That's going

00:54:21.100 to get you

00:54:21.520 your economic

00:54:22.240 success.

00:54:23.020 It's going

00:54:23.280 to get you

00:54:23.640 some benefits

00:54:24.820 that way.

00:54:25.700 But value

00:54:26.260 freedom and

00:54:27.580 the economic

00:54:28.440 goodness

00:54:29.140 that comes

00:54:29.620 with it.

00:54:30.520 Just know

00:54:31.420 it's not

00:54:32.440 free.

00:54:33.920 If the

00:54:35.020 president said

00:54:35.740 to the

00:54:36.040 public,

00:54:36.800 we're going

00:54:38.300 to take

00:54:38.660 our freedom

00:54:39.180 back and

00:54:41.100 it's going

00:54:41.460 to be

00:54:41.700 expensive.

00:54:43.320 How do

00:54:43.920 you feel

00:54:44.160 about that?

00:54:45.920 Not bad,

00:54:46.840 right?

00:54:47.580 We're going

00:54:48.180 to take

00:54:48.520 our freedom

00:54:49.020 back from

00:54:50.240 the coronavirus

00:54:51.000 a little bit

00:54:52.220 at a time.

00:54:52.920 We're going

00:54:53.180 to be smart

00:54:53.740 about it.

00:54:54.780 We're going

00:54:55.120 to listen

00:54:55.440 to the

00:54:55.780 experts,

00:54:56.720 but we're

00:54:57.280 going to

00:54:57.480 take our

00:54:57.920 freedom

00:54:58.240 back.

00:54:59.640 We're going

00:55:00.160 to do

00:55:00.340 it the

00:55:00.600 right way,

00:55:01.520 but we're

00:55:02.440 going to

00:55:02.620 take our

00:55:03.000 freedom

00:55:03.220 back.

00:55:04.120 And some

00:55:04.820 people are

00:55:05.560 not going

00:55:05.920 to make

00:55:06.220 it.

00:55:07.340 Some people

00:55:08.100 are not

00:55:08.520 going to

00:55:08.760 make it.

00:55:10.280 If you

00:55:10.900 say that,

00:55:12.040 some of

00:55:12.540 you won't

00:55:12.940 make it.

00:55:13.940 We're going

00:55:14.300 to take

00:55:14.620 our freedom

00:55:15.060 back.

00:55:15.960 Be smart,

00:55:17.360 be strong,

00:55:19.300 be brave,

00:55:21.080 but just

00:55:21.840 know we're

00:55:23.060 not all

00:55:23.420 going to

00:55:23.640 make it.

00:55:25.540 How do

00:55:26.320 you feel

00:55:26.540 about that

00:55:26.920 message?

00:55:27.920 It works,

00:55:29.140 right?

00:55:29.920 Because it

00:55:30.820 suddenly puts

00:55:31.960 the entire

00:55:32.580 200,000

00:55:33.540 people who

00:55:34.100 died into

00:55:34.920 a different

00:55:35.320 frame.

00:55:36.200 If what we

00:55:37.220 were trying

00:55:37.580 to do is

00:55:38.300 save every

00:55:38.920 person,

00:55:39.840 that's pretty

00:55:41.000 bad performance.

00:55:42.600 But we

00:55:43.340 weren't.

00:55:44.440 There was

00:55:44.840 never a point

00:55:45.740 where we

00:55:46.840 said to

00:55:47.220 ourselves,

00:55:47.840 let's save

00:55:48.340 everybody.

00:55:49.320 Never said

00:55:49.940 that.

00:55:50.600 There was a

00:55:51.420 point where

00:55:52.000 we were

00:55:52.360 always consciously

00:55:53.140 saying,

00:55:53.860 really,

00:55:54.400 every point.

00:55:55.900 We're going

00:55:56.400 to trade

00:55:56.880 freedom for

00:55:58.040 safety,

00:55:59.200 and then

00:55:59.560 we're going

00:55:59.940 to tweak

00:56:01.860 it as we

00:56:02.480 go,

00:56:03.240 because we

00:56:03.600 don't know

00:56:03.980 if we gave

00:56:04.460 up too

00:56:04.820 much freedom,

00:56:05.960 didn't get

00:56:06.360 enough safety.

00:56:07.020 We're going

00:56:07.200 to have to

00:56:07.480 keep tweaking

00:56:07.940 this thing.

00:56:09.120 But it's a

00:56:09.980 freedom

00:56:10.380 versus

00:56:11.640 safety.

00:56:15.520 If you

00:56:16.160 make it

00:56:16.600 economics

00:56:17.260 versus health,

00:56:18.600 you've

00:56:19.580 already

00:56:19.860 lost.

00:56:21.480 The moment

00:56:22.640 you say,

00:56:23.160 all right,

00:56:23.360 the frame

00:56:23.780 is economics,

00:56:25.340 money,

00:56:26.400 you know,

00:56:26.700 money,

00:56:27.720 you capitalist,

00:56:28.660 greedy pigs,

00:56:30.160 you fascist,

00:56:31.500 money,

00:56:32.320 economics,

00:56:34.140 versus you're

00:56:36.520 going to let

00:56:36.760 grandma die?

00:56:38.380 Are you

00:56:38.680 serious?

00:56:40.360 Grandma's

00:56:40.880 going to die

00:56:41.440 for your

00:56:42.380 fascist,

00:56:43.160 economic,

00:56:44.360 selfish money.

00:56:46.440 So that's

00:56:46.740 a terrible

00:56:47.140 frame,

00:56:47.700 economics

00:56:48.200 versus

00:56:48.540 health.

00:56:50.760 Freedom

00:56:51.400 versus

00:56:53.420 risk,

00:56:54.640 totally

00:56:55.680 different.

00:56:57.040 We're all

00:56:58.060 designed to

00:56:59.320 understand

00:56:59.900 freedom

00:57:00.520 versus risk.

00:57:01.600 You make

00:57:02.180 that decision

00:57:02.740 every time

00:57:03.180 you get in

00:57:03.520 a car.

00:57:04.600 Every time

00:57:05.240 you get

00:57:05.600 in your

00:57:05.840 car,

00:57:06.480 you're not

00:57:07.080 making an

00:57:07.680 economics

00:57:08.300 versus health

00:57:09.260 decision,

00:57:09.900 are you?

00:57:10.780 You're making

00:57:11.560 a freedom

00:57:12.120 versus risk.

00:57:14.100 Ends up

00:57:14.860 being similar,

00:57:16.020 but sounds

00:57:17.160 better that way.

00:57:17.740 That's

00:57:18.400 the way

00:57:18.580 I'd

00:57:18.800 go.

00:57:21.700 And that

00:57:22.640 is what I

00:57:23.480 wanted to

00:57:23.840 talk about

00:57:24.260 today.

00:57:25.220 So I'm

00:57:26.240 going to

00:57:26.660 sign off

00:57:27.400 from Periscope,

00:57:29.020 you YouTube

00:57:29.840 people.

00:57:30.400 I'll be here

00:57:30.920 for another

00:57:31.320 minute.

00:57:32.020 So I'll

00:57:32.860 talk to

00:57:33.340 you later.

00:57:34.540 All right,

00:57:37.620 YouTubers,

00:57:38.620 it's just

00:57:39.260 us now.

00:57:43.460 Yes,

00:57:44.060 Franklin

00:57:44.400 said,

00:57:44.740 those who

00:57:45.060 love safety

00:57:45.700 over freedom

00:57:46.700 will have

00:57:47.360 neither.

00:57:53.200 I'll just

00:57:53.940 go look at

00:57:54.340 your comments

00:57:54.900 here as we

00:57:55.580 get ready to

00:57:56.880 wind down.

00:57:58.360 What's my

00:57:59.120 election prediction?

00:58:00.000 You know,

00:58:01.920 I would say

00:58:02.660 that the

00:58:03.260 slaughter meter,

00:58:04.660 as I like

00:58:05.140 to call it,

00:58:06.060 had been

00:58:06.820 pinned at

00:58:07.320 100%,

00:58:08.080 but we

00:58:09.220 are right

00:58:09.640 in the

00:58:10.340 middle of

00:58:11.160 the third

00:58:11.640 act right

00:58:12.240 now.

00:58:12.660 So this

00:58:13.340 is the

00:58:13.700 point when

00:58:15.220 the slaughter

00:58:16.060 meter should

00:58:16.660 be the

00:58:17.040 lowest if

00:58:18.300 everything is

00:58:18.920 on plan.

00:58:19.940 I would

00:58:20.520 say the

00:58:20.860 slaughter meter

00:58:21.420 today is

00:58:22.120 probably at

00:58:22.980 30%,

00:58:25.380 probably 30%.

00:58:27.340 Now,

00:58:28.020 don't panic

00:58:28.680 because the

00:58:29.660 slaughter meter

00:58:30.180 does not

00:58:30.780 predict the

00:58:31.480 election.

00:58:32.020 That's not

00:58:32.360 what it's

00:58:32.660 for.

00:58:33.360 It predicts

00:58:34.000 how things

00:58:34.440 are going

00:58:34.720 today.

00:58:36.300 So every

00:58:36.840 day is

00:58:37.220 different.

00:58:37.940 Today it

00:58:38.540 could be

00:58:38.780 200% of

00:58:39.700 the slaughter

00:58:40.080 meter very

00:58:40.680 easily.

00:58:41.480 Just any

00:58:42.160 event happens.

00:58:45.520 So keep

00:58:47.040 it in mind.

00:58:47.640 I would say

00:58:48.320 that this

00:58:49.140 should be

00:58:49.620 the lowest

00:58:50.400 point for

00:58:51.180 the slaughter

00:58:51.640 meter and

00:58:53.160 that you

00:58:53.640 should see

00:58:54.200 some big

00:58:55.640 changes.

00:58:56.520 Now, if

00:58:57.540 the president

00:58:58.080 takes the

00:58:58.740 framing that

00:58:59.360 I suggested

00:58:59.960 of freedom

00:59:01.760 versus risk,

00:59:04.240 he could

00:59:05.840 recover quite

00:59:06.580 quickly.

00:59:07.760 If he

00:59:08.000 keeps it

00:59:08.400 as economics

00:59:09.360 versus life

00:59:11.020 and death

00:59:11.480 and tries

00:59:12.420 to minimize

00:59:14.740 the life

00:59:15.400 and death

00:59:15.740 part while

00:59:16.980 maximizing the

00:59:17.940 economic

00:59:18.380 part, it's

00:59:20.260 not as

00:59:20.660 strong.

00:59:21.660 So we'll

00:59:22.020 see.

00:59:24.200 Yeah, you

00:59:26.740 know, the

00:59:26.940 whole story

00:59:27.460 about the

00:59:28.000 extra

00:59:28.860 documents that

00:59:30.160 Gina Haskell

00:59:31.720 has over

00:59:32.320 at the CIA

00:59:32.960 and there's

00:59:34.560 some reported,

00:59:37.360 I don't believe

00:59:38.240 it, but there's

00:59:39.100 some reports

00:59:39.720 that Gina

00:59:40.220 Haskell might

00:59:42.100 be trying to

00:59:42.680 slow walk the

00:59:43.680 release of some

00:59:44.540 documents because

00:59:45.440 she could

00:59:46.360 personally be

00:59:47.040 embarrassed in

00:59:47.680 some way.

00:59:48.580 Maybe.

00:59:50.020 Maybe.

00:59:50.620 But I'll

00:59:51.520 tell you one

00:59:51.920 thing, if

00:59:52.380 Trump does

00:59:53.180 not win

00:59:53.700 re-election,

00:59:54.840 all of

00:59:55.180 that, all

00:59:57.940 of the

00:59:58.820 plotters

00:59:59.820 behind the

01:00:01.020 Russia

01:00:01.260 collusion

01:00:01.800 hoax, they'll

01:00:03.220 all go

01:00:03.600 free.

01:00:04.760 If Trump

01:00:05.620 doesn't win,

01:00:06.700 all of that

01:00:07.340 will just go

01:00:07.880 away.

01:00:08.280 John Brennan

01:00:08.860 will be

01:00:10.340 completely off

01:00:12.240 the hook.

01:00:13.640 So there's a

01:00:14.600 lot at stake.

01:00:15.220 All right.

01:00:21.820 Just looking at

01:00:22.620 your comments

01:00:23.180 now.

01:00:25.980 Somebody says

01:00:26.940 if Trump

01:00:27.500 doesn't win,

01:00:28.300 enjoy civil

01:00:29.100 war.

01:00:29.940 Here's what I

01:00:30.720 think.

01:00:31.760 I think that

01:00:33.060 there's basically

01:00:34.100 no chance of

01:00:35.040 a civil war.

01:00:36.440 There's a

01:00:37.120 100% chance

01:00:38.100 that there'll

01:00:38.500 be violence

01:00:39.080 in the streets

01:00:39.760 if Trump

01:00:40.840 wins.

01:00:41.860 But it's not

01:00:42.440 going to be the

01:00:42.860 kind of violence

01:00:43.600 that is a

01:00:44.960 whole, you

01:00:45.720 know, a

01:00:46.680 whole different

01:00:47.300 standard than

01:00:48.080 what we've

01:00:48.520 seen for the

01:00:49.040 last several

01:00:49.480 months.

01:00:50.080 I think it'll

01:00:50.500 just be more

01:00:51.080 of that.

01:00:52.020 And there'll

01:00:52.220 be, you

01:00:52.780 know, it

01:00:53.000 might be a

01:00:53.800 lot more

01:00:54.220 of that in

01:00:55.280 the beginning,

01:00:56.000 but I don't

01:00:56.820 think it

01:00:57.120 lasts.

01:00:58.060 I think people

01:00:58.740 will just get

01:00:59.380 used to it.

01:01:02.340 Somebody says

01:01:03.060 I'm wrong on

01:01:03.720 civil war.

01:01:04.440 So there's

01:01:05.000 somebody here

01:01:05.420 who wants to

01:01:05.860 take a bet

01:01:06.360 on civil war.

01:01:09.200 I'll make

01:01:09.860 a bet against

01:01:10.740 civil war.

01:01:12.640 And here

01:01:13.900 are the

01:01:14.220 factors I

01:01:14.940 look at.

01:01:15.840 How many

01:01:16.520 people in

01:01:17.140 your

01:01:17.420 neighborhood

01:01:17.840 are in

01:01:18.760 favor of

01:01:19.260 civil war?

01:01:21.940 In my

01:01:22.640 neighborhood, I

01:01:24.080 think the

01:01:24.640 number might

01:01:25.160 be zero.

01:01:26.760 I don't

01:01:27.120 think there's

01:01:27.520 anybody in

01:01:28.000 my neighborhood

01:01:28.480 who wants

01:01:28.920 a civil war.

01:01:30.300 Probably the

01:01:31.120 total number

01:01:31.820 of people in

01:01:32.340 this country

01:01:32.820 who want a

01:01:33.380 civil war is

01:01:35.100 like 0.001%.

01:01:37.300 Now, what

01:01:38.480 would keep

01:01:38.980 those people

01:01:39.780 from being

01:01:40.800 enough?

01:01:41.220 Because it

01:01:41.540 doesn't take

01:01:42.000 many people

01:01:42.740 to topple

01:01:43.700 a country

01:01:44.160 if they

01:01:44.860 do it

01:01:45.180 right.

01:01:45.940 I would

01:01:46.600 argue that

01:01:47.320 we have a

01:01:48.360 superpower in

01:01:49.100 this country

01:01:49.600 and it's

01:01:50.720 called gun

01:01:51.360 ownership.

01:01:52.560 Have you

01:01:52.880 noticed that

01:01:53.540 all of the

01:01:54.720 protests,

01:01:55.900 they're staying

01:01:56.760 within a

01:01:57.400 certain level

01:01:58.060 of violence,

01:01:59.380 meaning that

01:02:00.060 it's mostly

01:02:00.920 clubs and

01:02:02.520 umbrellas and

01:02:03.820 pepper spray

01:02:05.960 and bottles of

01:02:07.700 water and

01:02:08.220 stuff, the

01:02:09.760 reason it

01:02:10.240 doesn't

01:02:10.520 escalate to

01:02:11.360 actual guns

01:02:12.520 is that

01:02:14.140 they're out

01:02:14.900 gunned.

01:02:16.180 The minute

01:02:17.000 that the

01:02:17.420 protesters went

01:02:18.580 to the next

01:02:19.120 level, where

01:02:20.140 they started

01:02:20.840 shooting at

01:02:21.760 every event,

01:02:23.400 it would get

01:02:23.860 closed down.

01:02:25.000 So the

01:02:25.260 government would

01:02:25.880 close it down

01:02:26.500 if it became

01:02:27.180 guns.

01:02:28.020 If the

01:02:28.400 government

01:02:28.720 didn't close

01:02:29.540 it down and

01:02:31.120 it started

01:02:31.800 spreading into

01:02:32.480 the suburbs and

01:02:33.320 there was real

01:02:33.800 gunfire every

01:02:34.680 time, the

01:02:36.880 armed Americans

01:02:38.180 would just

01:02:38.700 snuff them

01:02:39.740 out in

01:02:40.100 about a

01:02:41.140 weekend.

01:02:42.640 There are so

01:02:43.460 many guns in

01:02:44.240 this country,

01:02:45.060 I don't know

01:02:46.820 if a civil

01:02:48.040 war could

01:02:48.520 happen unless

01:02:49.760 you actually

01:02:50.280 had something

01:02:50.760 like 30% of

01:02:52.560 the country

01:02:52.900 wanted to do

01:02:53.580 it.

01:02:54.200 You don't

01:02:54.740 get a civil

01:02:55.300 war.

01:02:56.200 Let me

01:02:56.720 summarize.

01:02:58.520 The situation

01:02:59.300 in which you

01:03:00.120 will not have

01:03:00.780 a civil war

01:03:01.540 is if the

01:03:02.660 only people

01:03:03.140 who want

01:03:03.580 it are

01:03:03.900 .0001%

01:03:05.420 of the

01:03:05.660 public and

01:03:06.860 and the

01:03:07.980 and is

01:03:08.460 important and

01:03:10.040 we are

01:03:10.420 armed to

01:03:11.360 the teeth

01:03:11.900 in every

01:03:13.320 household.

01:03:14.580 Because it's

01:03:15.460 armed to

01:03:15.980 the teeth

01:03:16.500 that makes

01:03:17.400 it impossible

01:03:18.020 for the

01:03:18.540 small numbers

01:03:19.260 to become

01:03:20.840 bigger and

01:03:21.980 to take

01:03:22.320 over.

01:03:23.020 A small

01:03:23.500 number could

01:03:24.140 bully people,

01:03:25.960 just bully

01:03:26.580 them if they

01:03:27.080 didn't have

01:03:27.440 guns.

01:03:28.360 If you

01:03:28.720 could just

01:03:29.140 go to

01:03:29.460 somebody's

01:03:29.860 house,

01:03:31.100 push in

01:03:31.480 their door

01:03:31.920 and bully

01:03:32.660 them into

01:03:33.320 doing whatever

01:03:33.920 you wanted,

01:03:34.440 you probably

01:03:37.520 could have

01:03:37.940 a pretty

01:03:38.260 big revolution

01:03:38.960 with a

01:03:39.360 very small

01:03:39.860 number of

01:03:40.280 people who

01:03:40.900 were

01:03:40.960 revolutionaries.

01:03:42.880 But when

01:03:43.560 they're

01:03:43.800 armed,

01:03:44.580 the only

01:03:45.700 way you're

01:03:46.140 going to

01:03:46.280 take over

01:03:46.640 the suburbs

01:03:47.160 is with

01:03:47.740 more power

01:03:48.520 and you

01:03:49.740 don't have

01:03:50.100 more power

01:03:50.680 because the

01:03:51.340 suburbs are

01:03:52.020 just bristling

01:03:52.620 with weapons.

01:03:54.080 So I'm not

01:03:54.880 worried at all

01:03:55.460 about a

01:03:56.240 revolution.

01:03:56.880 We will

01:03:57.220 work it out.

01:03:58.240 That's the

01:03:58.640 good news.

01:03:59.560 I'll talk to

01:04:00.060 you tomorrow.

01:04:01.120 I'll talk to

01:04:19.240 you tomorrow.

Real Coffee with Scott Adams - October 06, 2020

Episode 1146 Scott Adams： Trump Escapes From Walter Reed Hospital and Tells us to Not Fear Coronavirus. How's That Working Out？

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