Real Coffee with Scott Adams - Episode 1157 Scott Adams： Q＊NON, NXIVM, and BLM Cults, Fake Polls, Ridiculous Claims and Trump Optimism

00:00:00.000 Hey everybody, come on in, it's time, time for the best part of the day, yep, got a lot

00:00:21.660 of complaints about yesterday, apparently yesterday I didn't tell you what you wanted

00:00:26.340 to hear, and that was bad, apparently, but I'm glad you're here now, today will be much

00:00:34.300 better than yesterday, oh, much better, in so many ways, let me count the ways, one, two,

00:00:41.520 well, there's so many ways, I can't count them all, but how in the world, how in the world

00:00:48.280 can we enjoy this day more than we're going to enjoy it anyway?

00:00:53.000 Well, I can think of one way, and it's called the simultaneous sip, and all you need is

00:00:58.080 a cup or mug or a glass, a tank or chalice or stein, a canteen jug or flask, a vessel of

00:01:04.300 any kind, fill it with your favorite liquid, I like coffee, and join me now for the dopamine

00:01:11.040 hit of the day, the thing that makes everything better, it's called the simultaneous sip, and

00:01:17.320 it's going to happen right now, go.

00:01:23.000 Ah, I love a sip from the top third of the cup, you know, when it's sort of hasn't been

00:01:29.500 there very long, it's got that fresh, perfect warmth, oh yeah, that's how good a day today

00:01:36.860 will be.

00:01:38.180 Well, here's a management tip for you, I know that's why you come here, for the management

00:01:45.280 tip and tips, and it goes like this, you don't decide what product you're selling, the audience

00:01:53.160 tells you, or your customer, tells you what business you're in.

00:01:57.620 That was true when I started Dilbert, when I started Dilbert it was a generic comic strip,

00:02:03.260 and only now and then he would be in the office in the early years.

00:02:07.120 But people would email me and write to me, and they'd say, you know, we kind of like

00:02:12.280 your comic when Dilbert is at home, but we really like it when he's in the office.

00:02:17.980 And so many people wrote to me and said the same thing, put him in the office, put him

00:02:22.460 in the office, that I changed the comic into a workplace strip.

00:02:28.020 So that's a perfect example where I didn't decide what my product was, the customer, in

00:02:34.040 this case the audience, told me what I do.

00:02:36.980 They said, you're a workplace comic guy, make us a workplace comic.

00:02:41.740 So I did.

00:02:44.060 Likewise, when I started this periscoping stuff, I didn't really have a specific thing in mind.

00:02:50.300 I didn't know if I was going to be talking about persuasion more than politics or anything

00:02:56.200 in particular.

00:02:56.820 But the audience said, yeah, give us some more of that, you know, non-traditional look

00:03:04.300 at politics.

00:03:05.800 And so I did.

00:03:07.040 And that's why we're here.

00:03:08.580 And this brings me to yesterday.

00:03:11.600 Yesterday, I wasn't in a good mood.

00:03:14.460 Did anybody notice?

00:03:15.680 Anybody notice I wasn't in a good mood?

00:03:17.320 And part of what ticked me off was the news yesterday that's already been reversed.

00:03:25.600 But the news was that the Trump administration had declined a California request for emergency

00:03:31.840 funding to take care of some of the forest fire damage.

00:03:36.700 And my comment at the time was that it looked political because I didn't see a reason beyond

00:03:43.840 politics, and it looked like it was revenge, maybe, for California not being supportive

00:03:49.420 of the president.

00:03:51.000 And I said at the time, if we don't hear a reason for why it was turned down, you have

00:03:56.800 to assume the worst.

00:03:58.280 And so I did.

00:03:59.100 That was my starting assumption.

00:04:01.100 I said, if you don't give us good communication, we are allowed, and in fact, I would say encouraged,

00:04:08.760 to assume the worst, that it was just political, at which point it's personal, because I

00:04:13.720 live in California, and at which point I could not support a president, any president who

00:04:19.500 was behind a purely political decision to punish my state, I certainly couldn't support

00:04:25.060 that president.

00:04:26.360 But what did we learn?

00:04:29.020 Soon after I had my periscope, in my grumpy mood, we learned that the story wasn't quite

00:04:36.260 what we thought it was.

00:04:37.420 The reason given, I guess it was FEMA that actually turned down the request initially,

00:04:44.240 and FEMA's reasoning was that because the fires are still ongoing, they don't know exactly

00:04:49.340 what the right amount is, and you should wait till the end.

00:04:53.440 Now, that's not really a good decision, is it?

00:04:56.100 Because do you think California doesn't need any money until the fires are out?

00:05:02.000 That's not how it works.

00:05:03.440 You sort of need the money as soon as you can get it.

00:05:06.620 You don't wait for the fire to be out.

00:05:09.220 If it's a gigantic multi-month problem, you're not going to wait till the end before you start

00:05:14.600 fixing the things that burned two months ago.

00:05:19.180 And so none of it made sense to me, but it was a typical bureaucratic decision.

00:05:24.620 Apparently what happened is Gavin Newsom, governor of California, called President Trump and said,

00:05:29.960 what's up with this, and the president said, what do you mean they, I'm just guessing what

00:05:35.320 that conversation sounded like, and I think that the president said some version of, are

00:05:41.060 you effing kidding me?

00:05:43.000 Are you telling me FEMA turned down your money request?

00:05:47.200 Let me look at my watch.

00:05:49.540 Yeah, it's almost the election.

00:05:51.360 So let me fix that, because one thing you don't do if you're running for re-election, and it's

00:05:58.980 just a few weeks before election time, one thing you don't do is something grossly political

00:06:05.960 and stomping on the state.

00:06:08.680 You don't do that.

00:06:10.260 And so when I first heard the story that the money was denied, it didn't really make sense,

00:06:15.440 because it's not like it's Trump's personal money.

00:06:18.040 It was obviously better for Trump to give them the money, and any other state, any other

00:06:25.020 state that has a legitimate claim.

00:06:27.320 The best thing to do three weeks before election is give them the money.

00:06:33.100 That's always going to be the smart play, and sure enough, that's what Trump did, and so

00:06:38.060 I drop any prior grumpiness I had about that.

00:06:43.220 Now, that does leave the question of, I made the statement that if Trump loses the election,

00:06:52.240 and we can tell that the reason is because of healthcare and coronavirus, I would say that

00:06:57.520 I would not be diswrought by that.

00:07:01.460 It's not my first choice, because remember, we don't live in a vacuum.

00:07:06.200 It's not just Trump or no Trump.

00:07:08.320 It's Trump or Biden, right?

00:07:11.440 There's a choice, and that choice is not so hot.

00:07:15.580 So I could certainly prefer Trump, but at the same time, he knows what his weakness is.

00:07:23.320 He knows it's healthcare.

00:07:24.760 He knows he's losing women, maybe because of healthcare, and he knows the coronavirus thing

00:07:30.740 is not ideal.

00:07:32.380 So there's nothing about any of this.

00:07:34.400 I mean, he knows that if he was more pro-mask, that he'd get better treatment by the press,

00:07:39.980 et cetera.

00:07:40.900 So he's making choices, and here's the thing I would caution you.

00:07:50.460 Don't assume that if you disagree with what Trump does as a political choice, how he presents

00:07:57.700 himself, what policies he promotes, et cetera, don't assume that you and your wisdom, if you

00:08:04.960 would not have done what he did, don't assume you're the one that was right.

00:08:09.900 That's the tricky part with him, because he became president doing everything that the

00:08:14.920 experts said you shouldn't do in at least half the country, maybe three-quarters of the

00:08:20.400 country.

00:08:20.680 Because I would think all the Democrats thought he shouldn't act the way he's acting in order

00:08:25.780 to get elected, and I'll bet you at least half of Republicans probably said some version

00:08:32.880 of, eh, he shouldn't be doing all of those things.

00:08:36.200 We like, you know, the judges and the immigration stuff, but we think he should not be doing this

00:08:42.660 bunch of stuff.

00:08:44.880 Who was right?

00:08:45.980 Well, who became president of the frickin' United States?

00:08:50.860 It was the guy doing all that stuff that all the smart people said you shouldn't do, right?

00:08:57.660 Let me give you a perfect example.

00:08:59.820 So yesterday, Trump did a public appearance, a speech at a senior citizen facility in Florida.

00:09:08.820 Now, I saw the crowd picture, and it looked like they put some attention into distancing.

00:09:15.980 But not really, and I didn't see a, you know, a ton of mass compliance, and senior citizens

00:09:23.360 are the most vulnerable group.

00:09:25.740 Now, if you had asked me, and you said, Scott, I need your political advice.

00:09:32.060 Should the president, who's been, you know, viciously criticized for putting people at risk

00:09:38.300 with public events, should he have a public event with senior citizens in which they're a

00:09:44.580 little bit too close, or at least it looks like that on the camera, and may not be wearing masks?

00:09:51.580 Is that a good idea?

00:09:53.040 And I would say, oh, easy one, easy one.

00:09:56.680 It's a good thing you came to me with all of my wisdom.

00:10:00.820 Because let me just break this down for you logically.

00:10:04.560 This is exactly what he's criticized for.

00:10:07.260 It's his biggest problem.

00:10:09.880 And so you probably should not recreate your biggest problem in a gigantic visual feast for

00:10:18.900 your enemies, right?

00:10:22.140 Wouldn't, if somebody came to you, if the president or his campaign came to you and asked you the

00:10:27.920 same question, do you think you should do a rally with just senior citizens when they're

00:10:35.380 the most vulnerable, and it's exactly your biggest problem, what would you have said?

00:10:42.080 I don't think you would have said yes, would you?

00:10:45.380 Not all of you.

00:10:46.420 I know some of you would.

00:10:48.880 Would you have been right?

00:10:51.800 See, this is the tricky part.

00:10:54.160 It seems so smart to say, well, no, why would you do a big visual presentation of your biggest

00:11:01.920 problem?

00:11:03.640 That's exactly what you should be running away from.

00:11:07.900 But again, Trump became president by doing everything you thought was wrong.

00:11:14.580 It's not an accident.

00:11:16.260 That's, you know, what I write about in Winn-Bigley.

00:11:18.500 A lot of the things that you think are accidents are technique, and he knows it.

00:11:23.720 He knows how to control attention.

00:11:25.820 He knows how to match the public.

00:11:28.220 He knows how to be like the public.

00:11:30.020 He knows how to make the public like him, at least enough of the public to get elected

00:11:34.580 president, probably enough to get reelected.

00:11:37.820 So here's the thing.

00:11:39.180 Forget about the logic of it.

00:11:41.260 If you thought about the logic of having a seniors event during a coronavirus pandemic,

00:11:46.240 there's no logic that makes sense, right?

00:11:48.900 You can't logic that one out.

00:11:50.720 You just have to say, how does it feel?

00:11:53.700 That's it.

00:11:54.420 You can't go beyond that to decide if Trump made a good decision politically or a bad

00:12:01.560 decision.

00:12:02.220 You can't go beyond how did it feel?

00:12:05.980 How did it feel?

00:12:07.520 It felt like he was giving attention to seniors, right?

00:12:12.440 You could feel that.

00:12:13.780 He went there.

00:12:15.720 Okay?

00:12:16.000 So that fell right.

00:12:18.340 It looked like they all had free will.

00:12:22.180 They all had choices.

00:12:23.920 They were all, I assume, they were all well informed about what a coronavirus is.

00:12:28.480 So it was a bunch of senior citizens in one of our freest states, exercising their freedom

00:12:35.600 and their free will, taking a risk management decision, fully transparent, doing a little

00:12:43.320 bit to protect themselves.

00:12:44.800 Maybe you would say not enough, but they were happy with it.

00:12:48.240 Probably the people who were the least healthy, I'm guessing they stayed home.

00:12:53.260 Probably not all of them.

00:12:54.920 But, you know, people had a choice.

00:12:56.940 So he got energy, he got attention, he brought some love to senior citizens, a group that

00:13:04.260 he needs to boost, and he was consistent with his story, which is that this is America and

00:13:11.820 we take chances, right?

00:13:15.380 How does that feel?

00:13:16.800 If you say he's putting people at unnecessary medical risk, you're like, whoa, that's a mistake.

00:13:23.960 But if you say it's America, in America, everything we do has a risk.

00:13:32.660 You get in your car, it's a risk.

00:13:34.400 You play a sport, you get in a relationship, anything.

00:13:39.320 It's all risk.

00:13:40.840 We only live in a world where things are risky.

00:13:43.920 The food you eat, basically everything has a risk.

00:13:46.800 This is more of that.

00:13:49.720 And the president is trying to train the country into accepting that risk.

00:13:55.220 Now, if you throw a number on it and say it's 200x thousand died, it could be another 200,000,

00:14:01.300 you might say to yourself, whoa, whoa, the numbers are so big.

00:14:05.060 You know, this is different.

00:14:06.520 The numbers are big.

00:14:07.900 But we all know the numbers.

00:14:10.340 That's the thing.

00:14:11.580 We know the numbers.

00:14:12.700 And if we choose to take that risk, knowing the numbers, but also knowing that opening the economy has a benefit that has to be counted as well,

00:14:25.860 is that wrong?

00:14:27.580 Is the president wrong for giving America the choice of freedom?

00:14:34.380 How does it feel?

00:14:35.600 How does it feel being told you have to wear a mask versus being told, you know, if you elect me, you're going to have freedom?

00:14:46.580 Not even close.

00:14:48.340 It's not even close.

00:14:50.100 The way it feels is like freedom.

00:14:54.500 Right?

00:14:55.160 The way it looks is bad risk management, putting people at risk.

00:15:00.820 That's the way it looks.

00:15:01.860 That's the way you'd write the article.

00:15:05.500 That's the way the details look.

00:15:07.120 That's the way the spreadsheet looks.

00:15:09.220 But when you see all those senior citizens who said, do you mind if I swear?

00:15:16.100 Give you a little warning.

00:15:18.600 Okay?

00:15:19.440 There will be an unpleasant word coming up next.

00:15:24.420 So turn down your sound, send the kids off to Zoom school, and it goes like this.

00:15:30.460 What I saw was the president promoting freedom, standing in front of a bunch of senior citizens who earned freedom.

00:15:40.540 They earned it.

00:15:42.080 They got to this point in their life.

00:15:44.440 Productive citizens.

00:15:46.040 They earned it.

00:15:47.540 And every one of those citizens who went there knew the risk.

00:15:51.020 They knew what the benefit was.

00:15:52.640 They get to see the president.

00:15:54.200 They knew what the risk was.

00:15:55.340 And every one of them said, fuck it.

00:15:59.640 And went to see the president.

00:16:02.720 They just said, fuck it.

00:16:04.960 Who do you like?

00:16:07.040 How do you feel about a whole bunch of senior citizens who said, I hear what you're saying.

00:16:16.020 Fuck it.

00:16:17.180 I'm going to go see the president.

00:16:19.200 Makes you feel good.

00:16:21.120 Makes you feel good.

00:16:22.160 Now, if you tell me that Trump got the politics wrong, I would caution you that you've thought that before.

00:16:33.600 And he is so tuned in to the average American, if I can say that, and so not on the frequency of the pundits.

00:16:43.680 It's a very appealing package.

00:16:47.340 Because you really don't want the slick, packaged, pundit, appropriate, you know, Pete Buttigieg kind of guy.

00:16:58.480 By the way, Pete Buttigieg is a solid guy.

00:17:01.400 I kind of like him.

00:17:02.680 You know, if he had become president, I don't know.

00:17:05.180 I could live with that.

00:17:06.140 You know, he might not have the policies I prefer, but seems like a solid, rational guy with good judgment, etc.

00:17:14.860 But he's kind of like a pundit's candidate.

00:17:19.500 He's a little artificial.

00:17:21.340 Doesn't quite connect with me.

00:17:23.360 I like him intellectually.

00:17:25.040 You know, I like him being pro-science and all that.

00:17:27.520 But Trump just connects at a whole different level.

00:17:31.480 And you saw that.

00:17:32.920 All right.

00:17:34.760 So, how was that?

00:17:37.140 Do you like the optimism better?

00:17:39.680 At the moment, we have less visibility about who's going to win this than maybe any race ever.

00:17:47.680 Or it just feels like that.

00:17:49.260 It probably just feels like that.

00:17:50.480 We've had lack of transparency before.

00:17:52.740 But even last year, when Trump was behind, there wasn't really more than two weeks of the entire campaign right around the pussy-grabbing part of that that I thought, maybe he won't win.

00:18:09.360 The whole other time, I was just sure he would win to the point where I bet my entire career on it, and that worked out.

00:18:16.820 This time, there's something really weird going on with the polls.

00:18:20.460 The polls are so wildly not believable that it's either the—I'll tell you what it is, what it feels like.

00:18:33.240 It's one thing to have shy Trump supporters.

00:18:38.040 And if people were just afraid of consequences, you would expect there would be some, you know, distortion in the polls.

00:18:45.100 But there's another effect on top of the shy Trump supporter.

00:18:49.840 Two other effects.

00:18:51.540 Maybe they're the same.

00:18:52.820 And it goes like this.

00:18:54.980 Do you like dad jokes?

00:18:57.240 You know what a dad joke is, right?

00:18:59.140 It's that sort of joke that I tell all the time.

00:19:01.580 If you're a certain age, usually you're a white guy, but I don't think that's necessary.

00:19:07.140 But, you know, there's this kind of joke that dad jokes are these sort of obvious, straightforward.

00:19:16.080 But I happen to be a big fan of dad jokes.

00:19:20.060 A good dad joke is hilarious.

00:19:22.860 And part of dad jokes are practical jokes.

00:19:28.320 What would be a better practical joke than distorting the polls so badly that every Democrat went into Election Day thinking,

00:19:39.480 we got this.

00:19:43.080 You hear me?

00:19:44.220 As funny as 2016 was, it wasn't a practical joke.

00:19:51.000 2016 just happened.

00:19:53.280 Nobody said, hey, let's play a joke and fool the pollsters.

00:19:57.960 It just happened.

00:19:58.640 But 2020, when you see the gap growing to just really a ridiculous level, sort of ridiculous, the level.

00:20:09.580 I mean, it looks so not true that it just seems like either the pollsters are playing some kind of a fundraising game.

00:20:18.980 Because there are two possibilities here, and they might actually both be true.

00:20:22.480 One is that the polls are intentionally rigging the polls.

00:20:28.320 The pollsters are rigging the polls.

00:20:30.240 Not all of them, but enough of them to change the average.

00:20:33.640 And that they're doing it specifically for fundraising.

00:20:37.040 Because if you thought Biden was going to lose, would you give money to him?

00:20:42.460 Because you'd say, yeah, it's a waste of money.

00:20:44.160 He's just going to lose anyway, right?

00:20:45.580 But if you think he's on a glide path to winning, and all he needs is a little extra money to make sure that he nails it down,

00:20:54.340 well, then your wallet gets a little looser, right?

00:20:56.720 You're like, oh, this is productive.

00:20:59.140 If I put money into this campaign, I can really, it's like insurance to ensure he makes it.

00:21:04.760 He's already ahead.

00:21:05.940 Don't want him to get behind.

00:21:07.220 We better bump up those TV ads and stuff.

00:21:09.900 And make sure that the Congress gets in there so that when he's in there, he'll have a Congress that can do what he wants.

00:21:16.460 So, yeah, this is a good time to donate.

00:21:18.780 If I had to guess, I would say that the main reason the pollsters are faking the polls,

00:21:25.760 and I feel like we can just state that as fact at this point, right?

00:21:29.760 Wouldn't you agree?

00:21:30.920 We can just state that as fact, that these are rigged polls.

00:21:34.960 Not all of them, but it looks like some number of them.

00:21:38.320 And sure enough, Biden is having the biggest fundraising bonanza of all time because people are smelling the victory.

00:21:48.100 All right, so that's one thing, and I think that's actually happening.

00:21:50.920 I feel confident that that's what's happening.

00:21:54.880 But the dad joke explanation could be happening at the same time.

00:21:59.540 And when the pollsters are calling, it might not be just people who don't want their name known to an anonymous pollster.

00:22:09.360 Because, indeed, probably, you know, as a percentage, there can't be that many people who are afraid of it.

00:22:15.760 Yeah, maybe 2%, 5%, something like that.

00:22:18.360 But how many Trump supporters, if they saw the opportunity, would go for the dad joke?

00:22:28.480 And the dad joke is lying to the pollster and say, yeah, yeah, I'm a big old Biden supporter.

00:22:35.500 Count me down for Biden.

00:22:37.440 And how about those Democrats running for Senate?

00:22:41.000 Yeah.

00:22:42.700 Love me some Democrats.

00:22:44.220 Put me down for Biden and all the Democrats.

00:22:49.920 Do you feel it?

00:22:51.820 It's the world's greatest dad joke.

00:22:56.000 And if Trump pulls this off, and at the moment, I still believe he will.

00:23:02.340 If he pulls this off, it will be, no doubt about it, the world's biggest and best dad joke.

00:23:14.780 Now, I'm not saying that moms aren't getting into the fun.

00:23:18.060 I'm just saying it has that feeling of a dad joke.

00:23:20.400 You know what I'm saying, right?

00:23:22.260 And it's irresistible.

00:23:26.560 I don't know how you could be a Republican and resist the temptation to lie to the pollster just for the dad joke.

00:23:34.920 It's irresistible.

00:23:35.820 All right.

00:23:38.660 Even Jen O'Malley, the Biden campaign manager, says that the polls are bullshit.

00:23:45.980 So even Biden's campaign says, don't believe these polls.

00:23:51.380 I don't know what's going on with these polls, but our internal polling doesn't show what they show.

00:23:57.360 Plus, you don't want to be fooled by the national numbers.

00:24:01.840 You don't want to look at the state numbers.

00:24:03.320 Let's talk about that nodding woman who was behind Trump at his town hall.

00:24:12.560 Now, I have to admit, I watched the town hall, and I never noticed the woman behind him,

00:24:16.740 because I was sort of listening, not watching.

00:24:18.440 And so it took me a while to sort of catch up to the story.

00:24:23.600 But I'll just add this in terms of persuasion.

00:24:26.940 Persuasion-wise, it is a great idea to have somebody who looks like the audience you're trying to persuade

00:24:34.240 nodding along with the president.

00:24:37.500 So if she wasn't put there as a plant, and I think she said she wasn't,

00:24:42.300 I think she says, I believe I saw a little snippet of an interview in which she believed that

00:24:49.260 because she's black, that they put her behind the president because she would not be happy with him.

00:24:55.840 But it turns out she's a supporter.

00:24:58.360 And that is a strong technique, because we're all very influenced by other people.

00:25:04.500 We're all imitators.

00:25:06.460 So if you see the president talking, and over his shoulder you see somebody that feels like you,

00:25:11.040 it's like, oh yeah, I'm sort of like that person.

00:25:14.020 And they're nodding along, oh yeah, oh yeah, uh-huh, uh-huh.

00:25:18.380 It will definitely influence you.

00:25:20.060 So persuasion-wise, it's a smart play if they can reproduce that.

00:25:25.060 All right.

00:25:27.880 Biden apparently won the TV ratings for the town hall.

00:25:31.820 But of course, I'm not sure that means a lot.

00:25:34.080 Because, number one, if you had a choice of seeing yet another minute of Trump,

00:25:41.040 versus Biden, who you don't see as much, one of them is a novelty.

00:25:46.300 And one of them, you're going to feel like you just saw three versions of him in the last 24 hours.

00:25:51.620 So some of it is, and I admit that I was feeling this at the time,

00:25:55.720 I was thinking, maybe I'll watch Biden, because I just don't see as much of him.

00:25:59.940 And there's more of a possibility of a wreck.

00:26:04.020 Some people watch car races just to watch the wrecks.

00:26:09.560 I might have watched Biden just to see if he would decompose.

00:26:13.240 Because you kind of know what Trump is going to do.

00:26:15.840 He's going to say three provocative things that make news.

00:26:19.460 But otherwise, it's going to be exactly what you think it is.

00:26:22.720 But with Biden, you've got this extra level of mystery.

00:26:26.840 Will he fall over?

00:26:27.940 Will he forget his name?

00:26:29.120 Will he have a senior moment?

00:26:30.960 So I can see why he would be more interesting in this specific case.

00:26:37.840 But I want to add this conspiracy theory to the mix.

00:26:42.400 When I turned on the TV to look for the Trump town hall,

00:26:47.680 I knew it was on NBC, and I know what number NBC is on my dial.

00:26:54.160 So I turn on Comcast.

00:26:57.480 That's my cable provider.

00:26:59.580 And does Comcast own NBC?

00:27:02.980 They might.

00:27:04.080 Anyway, so I turn on Comcast, and I go to the channel guide.

00:27:07.800 And there I see on ABC, I guess it was.

00:27:10.860 Was it?

00:27:11.520 Yeah, ABC.

00:27:12.640 I see the Joe Biden town hall, or whatever it was labeled.

00:27:17.340 Very clearly.

00:27:18.820 And it lasts for a few hours.

00:27:21.360 So it's, like, blocked off.

00:27:23.520 You can't miss it.

00:27:25.060 Joe Biden town hall.

00:27:26.820 A couple of slots above it was NBC.

00:27:31.480 NBC said local news in a tiny little slot that would be too short for a town hall,

00:27:39.340 followed by local news, followed by local news, followed by local news.

00:27:45.260 Now, I, of course, eventually, you know, just, I said, screw that.

00:27:51.400 It's probably on MSNBC, but I don't remember where that is on my cable.

00:27:55.860 And I'm not going to go looking for it, because it's already time to watch it.

00:27:59.600 So I picked up my phone, which I knew, you know, with two buttons I would be on NBC,

00:28:05.340 because I've got a phone app.

00:28:07.260 And so I watched it on my phone.

00:28:09.720 Now, here's the question.

00:28:11.020 If you were sort of ambivalent, you didn't know if you were going to watch Trump or Biden,

00:28:17.940 and you were thinking, eh, either one.

00:28:19.780 They're both interesting.

00:28:21.340 Maybe I'll tape one and watch the other.

00:28:23.320 If you only saw the Biden one, and you're a senior citizen,

00:28:27.960 and you're not going to go to your phone app,

00:28:30.780 do you pick the one that says town hall?

00:28:34.940 I think you might.

00:28:36.000 So I heard, I got some pushback when I said that on Twitter.

00:28:41.940 Somebody said, Scott, everybody knows how to find NBC.

00:28:45.940 Everybody knows it was going to be on NBC.

00:28:48.820 True.

00:28:49.920 But what have I taught you about friction?

00:28:53.320 Any friction reduces behavior.

00:28:57.300 And that was friction.

00:28:58.880 I couldn't as easily find it on my TV guide.

00:29:01.760 I think some people, maybe 2%, whatever, probably made a difference.

00:29:08.380 All right.

00:29:10.380 Have you noticed?

00:29:13.020 I'm curious about this, so I want to see your answers in the comments.

00:29:17.580 When I watch a Trump speech or town hall,

00:29:21.220 and then I watch a Biden speech in town hall,

00:29:23.900 they have one thing in common.

00:29:26.580 They don't say a frickin' true thing the entire time.

00:29:29.820 Now I'm exaggerating a little bit.

00:29:32.840 But are you aware that almost everything that Trump says is not true?

00:29:38.540 I'm just wondering.

00:29:40.100 Because most of you are Trump supporters.

00:29:42.240 But you do understand that, right?

00:29:44.140 That almost everything he claims about Biden is not true?

00:29:47.600 Now, some of them are true.

00:29:49.060 Some of them have a different context.

00:29:51.000 Some of them are over-interpreted.

00:29:53.060 Some are hyperbole, et cetera.

00:29:54.440 But when you watch Biden, it's also true that basically 100% of what he says looks like a lie.

00:30:02.460 So there's the stuff you know is a lie,

00:30:05.220 and then there's the stuff that looks like maybe he won't really do what he's saying he would do.

00:30:10.240 But do you get the impression that neither of them are doing anything even in the ballpark of truth?

00:30:17.600 They should be doing that.

00:30:21.920 So here's the part where I'll surprise you.

00:30:24.520 If they were not lying completely about everything,

00:30:28.600 they just wouldn't be a good person for the job.

00:30:33.480 If somebody tried to run against either one of those candidates by only telling the truth,

00:30:39.140 they wouldn't have a chance.

00:30:40.920 They wouldn't have a chance.

00:30:41.840 Because the lies are just more effective.

00:30:44.980 That's why they do it.

00:30:46.600 So when you see Biden, he lies at almost 100% of what he says is a lie.

00:30:54.000 And then Trump, of course, is still Trump, and he uses his hyperbole, et cetera.

00:30:59.740 Now, I have said from the beginning that somebody says no.

00:31:04.260 So seriously, there's somebody watching the Trump campaign speeches,

00:31:10.860 and you're not finding anything untrue in that?

00:31:14.200 And people are asking me, what isn't true?

00:31:16.800 You really have to check your news sources.

00:31:19.600 Because if you think it's only the people on the left that don't know what's going on,

00:31:24.200 if you're not watching both news sources,

00:31:26.960 you're just having the same problem as the left, but you're having it on the right.

00:31:30.660 For example, well, you don't need any examples.

00:31:38.200 Let me just say that the major claims by both sides are probably,

00:31:43.520 if I had to put a number on it, I'd say 75% false in both cases.

00:31:49.160 But they tend to be directionally true, at least in Trump's case.

00:31:54.480 I think in Biden's case, they are not directionally true.

00:31:57.440 For example, Trump has lots of claims about the Bidens being swampy.

00:32:03.880 Are all of the specific claims exactly true?

00:32:07.840 Probably not.

00:32:09.320 But is the general idea that the Bidens have some swampiness to explain, is that true?

00:32:16.280 I would say yes.

00:32:17.600 I would say certainly the laptop emails confirm that, yeah, there's some swampiness there.

00:32:23.960 And the president is right in theme, he's right.

00:32:29.160 Now, what about Biden's lies?

00:32:31.140 Biden does the fine people lie about Charlottesville.

00:32:35.500 Is that directionally true?

00:32:37.800 Nope.

00:32:38.540 It's directionally opposite of what's true,

00:32:41.220 because this president has been very good for the African-American community,

00:32:45.860 and there's no evidence of whatever that lie would suggest.

00:32:50.680 So, Biden is a little more likely to just plain lie,

00:32:56.500 whereas Trump is more hyperbolic,

00:32:59.360 and even if something doesn't pass the fact-checking, which happens,

00:33:03.280 it's still in the general idea of where the country would like to go,

00:33:07.220 and what we would like to think of things.

00:33:09.440 Now, you could probably come up with a counterexample to that,

00:33:12.160 but that's the pattern that I recognize.

00:33:13.880 But you really need to check yourself if you said,

00:33:18.440 I've never heard Trump say anything that wasn't true.

00:33:21.740 There really is a lot there that's not exactly true.

00:33:29.060 So just be aware of that.

00:33:30.820 That doesn't mean he isn't the best president we've ever had.

00:33:35.100 And by the way, I would say, I heard somebody say this recently.

00:33:39.620 I forget who it was.

00:33:40.360 Maybe Geraldo or somebody.

00:33:43.240 But somebody said that even if President Trump did not get re-elected,

00:33:48.320 his one term would be the greatest one term of any president.

00:33:52.500 And I think that's a completely defensible statement.

00:33:56.760 I've been saying it for a while.

00:33:58.760 What he accomplished in his first term,

00:34:00.840 I mean, even if the only accomplishment had been the judges,

00:34:04.380 the Supreme Court, that would be enormous.

00:34:06.880 But it's way more than that.

00:34:09.020 You know, beating ISIS and trade deals and, you know,

00:34:12.460 getting rid of regulations we didn't need and all kinds of stuff.

00:34:17.460 So, yeah, he's, no matter what happens,

00:34:19.640 he will go down as the most successful president.

00:34:22.740 The coronavirus will be a stain, but the rest of the stuff looks good.

00:34:25.700 All right.

00:34:30.080 I wonder if Trump will ever do a debunking speech

00:34:34.100 where he just debunks the lies that Biden tells.

00:34:38.120 I'd love to see him just do a speech where he says,

00:34:40.920 look, here's what Biden says about the fine people hoax.

00:34:44.960 Now let me read the transcript exactly as it happened and Google it.

00:34:49.500 You should go home and Google this.

00:34:50.860 And by the way, if you look at the transcript

00:34:54.360 and you found out that Biden is lying

00:34:56.660 about the central theme of his campaign,

00:35:00.340 you should assume that that's who he is.

00:35:04.240 That's who you're voting for.

00:35:05.600 You're not getting an honest candidate or even close to it.

00:35:09.820 I don't think Trump will do that.

00:35:11.360 That doesn't sound like his style,

00:35:12.640 but it'd be fascinating if he did.

00:35:15.300 I have to get back to the story

00:35:16.840 about the Mexican former defense minister

00:35:20.620 who got arrested for helping the drug cartels

00:35:24.420 when he was in office.

00:35:26.100 Now, he was in office until 2018.

00:35:29.800 This is really current events.

00:35:32.420 And I would say this is another example

00:35:34.560 of Trump building the wall.

00:35:38.240 Trump promised he'd build the wall.

00:35:41.660 And at various times, he said,

00:35:43.520 it's not just a physical wall.

00:35:45.200 It depends on the situation.

00:35:48.040 It doesn't have to be a physical wall.

00:35:49.960 But this is another case of him building the wall.

00:35:53.540 Because if you arrest the guy

00:35:56.840 who was the defense minister of Mexico

00:35:59.320 just two years ago

00:36:00.760 for working with the drug cartels,

00:36:05.860 you're kind of putting the pressure on Mexico,

00:36:09.400 which in the end, I think,

00:36:11.080 would have an effect on immigration as well.

00:36:15.840 So I think that's all, you know,

00:36:17.960 generally speaking, part of building the wall.

00:36:21.860 Bo Erickson of CBS

00:36:23.040 was asking a bunch of

00:36:25.660 Trump supporters at a rally

00:36:28.780 what they thought of

00:36:30.640 Oh, no.

00:36:35.340 So Bo Erickson asked Joe Biden,

00:36:39.140 what is your response to the New York Post story

00:36:41.520 about your son?

00:36:43.780 And Biden's response was

00:36:45.640 he called it a smear campaign.

00:36:47.680 And then he started going after

00:36:49.580 the reporter himself with insults.

00:36:52.000 Now, let me ask you this.

00:36:54.000 If I were to say to you,

00:36:56.700 have you colluded with

00:36:59.420 foreign powers to make money or something?

00:37:03.960 Or let's say, if I say,

00:37:05.960 did you do this specific kind of corruption?

00:37:09.340 What would you answer?

00:37:11.420 Would your first answer be,

00:37:13.220 this is a smear campaign?

00:37:15.120 Or would your first answer be,

00:37:17.240 no, none of that's true.

00:37:19.840 This is a smear campaign.

00:37:21.380 But if you say it's a smear campaign,

00:37:24.440 and you leave out the part about it

00:37:25.940 not being true,

00:37:27.300 it feels intentional.

00:37:30.140 I think Biden has a problem

00:37:32.640 here that's pretty big.

00:37:36.020 He can't deny that it's true.

00:37:38.060 Apparently there's one person

00:37:39.260 who has copied on the emails

00:37:40.760 who has confirmed that at least

00:37:42.680 the one he got was real.

00:37:45.100 There's more coming out about this.

00:37:47.660 And here's the funny part.

00:37:50.800 When you have to lie a little bit,

00:37:54.000 if you want to tell just a little bit

00:37:55.940 of a lie or shade the truth,

00:37:58.580 you can depend on all of the pundits

00:38:00.560 on CNN to do that work.

00:38:03.620 So if you need to make Trump look bad,

00:38:06.560 you need to take a story

00:38:07.740 and spin it a certain way,

00:38:09.540 any pundit will do.

00:38:11.160 You could just throw a dart

00:38:12.620 at a bunch of pundits

00:38:14.220 and whoever screams,

00:38:15.480 you say,

00:38:15.800 you, you're coming on TV tonight

00:38:17.820 and you're going to spin this thing

00:38:19.580 so it looks bad for Trump.

00:38:21.440 Easy stuff.

00:38:23.120 But sometimes you've got to call in

00:38:26.940 the big guns.

00:38:28.800 Sometimes your ordinary pundits

00:38:30.760 are not going to be sufficiently capable

00:38:33.520 of lying at the level

00:38:35.360 you really need to lie.

00:38:36.500 And I saw something interesting

00:38:43.640 in the comments there

00:38:44.540 about Christopher Wray,

00:38:46.360 but I'll have to read up on that

00:38:47.820 before I comment on it.

00:38:49.620 So it looks like CNN brought,

00:38:51.580 or at least the Democrats,

00:38:53.680 went to the,

00:38:55.140 they went to their A players.

00:38:57.840 So they went to David Korn,

00:38:59.620 who wrote an article in Mother Jones,

00:39:01.960 and they went to Clapper.

00:39:04.440 They had him on CNN.

00:39:06.700 Now, if you need David Korn

00:39:08.760 and Clapper

00:39:10.320 to be your designated liars,

00:39:13.740 that means you need

00:39:14.880 some nuclear level,

00:39:17.000 you know,

00:39:17.680 military quality,

00:39:20.500 no regrets,

00:39:23.300 no embarrassment.

00:39:24.480 You need the real lying.

00:39:26.900 I mean, the real good stuff.

00:39:28.600 And you have to watch

00:39:30.460 Clapper tell his lie

00:39:32.980 that this looks exactly

00:39:34.320 like Russian disinformation.

00:39:36.480 Because apparently

00:39:37.340 there were reports

00:39:38.520 that Russia was going to try

00:39:40.300 to use Rudy Giuliani

00:39:41.560 to siphon disinformation

00:39:43.300 through to get to the president.

00:39:45.520 Now, is that true?

00:39:47.320 Do we really have a report

00:39:48.920 that says Russia

00:39:49.700 was trying to do that?

00:39:51.120 I doubt it.

00:39:52.760 I doubt it.

00:39:53.840 Because I don't trust anything

00:39:55.460 out of our intelligence agencies.

00:39:57.160 Do you?

00:39:58.080 I mean, we just,

00:39:58.760 we just watched them

00:39:59.760 being completely corrupt

00:40:00.960 for, you know,

00:40:02.120 three years.

00:40:03.480 So I wouldn't trust

00:40:04.460 any report

00:40:05.260 from our intelligence agencies.

00:40:07.040 That doesn't mean

00:40:07.780 it's untrue.

00:40:09.140 But it doesn't mean

00:40:10.240 you should believe it.

00:40:11.740 They have no credibility.

00:40:13.020 And on this exact topic,

00:40:15.640 Russia disinformation,

00:40:17.240 it is their least credible thing.

00:40:20.560 Period.

00:40:20.900 There is nobody

00:40:22.340 and nothing

00:40:22.940 that's less credible

00:40:23.900 than our own intelligence

00:40:25.660 talking about

00:40:26.560 what Russia is doing.

00:40:27.580 nothing is less believable

00:40:29.640 than that.

00:40:30.580 So they send

00:40:31.100 Clapper out to do it.

00:40:33.520 And he says,

00:40:34.500 listen to this exact wording.

00:40:36.280 This is Clapper.

00:40:37.080 He goes,

00:40:37.840 to me,

00:40:38.700 this is just classic

00:40:40.220 textbook

00:40:40.920 Soviet-Russian

00:40:41.820 tradecraft at work.

00:40:45.700 And he says,

00:40:47.480 blah, blah, blah.

00:40:48.420 Now,

00:40:49.260 let me ask you this.

00:40:50.660 I'm no expert

00:40:51.720 on Soviet-Russian

00:40:54.640 tradecraft.

00:40:56.140 And I would trust

00:40:57.320 that Clapper

00:40:58.840 is a better authority

00:41:00.600 on Russian-Soviet

00:41:03.040 tradecraft.

00:41:05.560 But

00:41:06.240 I'm no

00:41:08.080 Russian disinformation

00:41:09.680 expert.

00:41:11.020 But let me tell you

00:41:12.020 how I would have played it.

00:41:13.960 If the

00:41:14.840 if the allegation is

00:41:16.220 that the three laptops

00:41:18.300 dropped off

00:41:19.120 with the

00:41:19.740 semi-blind

00:41:21.100 repairman

00:41:22.040 that

00:41:23.340 that was

00:41:24.760 Russian disinformation,

00:41:26.420 I'm just going to

00:41:27.520 suggest

00:41:27.980 the following.

00:41:30.180 One laptop

00:41:31.280 would have been

00:41:31.840 enough.

00:41:33.580 Do you feel me?

00:41:35.680 If you're

00:41:36.740 if you're

00:41:37.660 a high-level

00:41:38.420 Soviet,

00:41:39.960 not Soviet,

00:41:40.860 but Russian

00:41:41.360 disinformation

00:41:42.100 person,

00:41:43.400 would you say,

00:41:44.720 I think I'll give them

00:41:45.720 three laptops,

00:41:47.620 three broken laptops,

00:41:49.120 two of them

00:41:50.360 don't count

00:41:51.240 so that they'll find

00:41:53.100 that third one

00:41:53.820 and they'll find

00:41:54.320 this stuff on it?

00:41:55.520 Or

00:41:56.040 or

00:41:57.120 would you keep

00:41:58.320 it simple

00:41:58.860 and perhaps

00:42:00.280 only drop off

00:42:01.740 the one laptop

00:42:02.940 that's the one

00:42:03.900 you want them

00:42:04.420 to find something on?

00:42:06.120 Now

00:42:06.620 again,

00:42:08.540 I'm no

00:42:09.360 expert on

00:42:10.540 Russian

00:42:11.240 disinformation,

00:42:12.460 but I don't think

00:42:13.640 they want to

00:42:14.180 complicate it

00:42:15.000 by making it

00:42:16.220 hard to find

00:42:16.960 what's on the

00:42:17.540 one laptop

00:42:18.100 by having

00:42:18.680 three of them

00:42:19.360 and why

00:42:20.600 would you

00:42:20.920 take the

00:42:21.320 chance

00:42:21.760 that two

00:42:22.640 of the

00:42:22.900 laptops

00:42:23.340 might have

00:42:23.920 some indication

00:42:25.280 on them

00:42:25.840 that they

00:42:26.980 weren't right?

00:42:29.840 One laptop,

00:42:31.520 it's the least

00:42:32.500 amount of

00:42:32.960 information

00:42:33.480 and the least

00:42:34.300 amount of

00:42:34.740 mistakes you

00:42:35.540 could make.

00:42:36.920 Three laptops

00:42:38.000 is not

00:42:39.420 Russian

00:42:39.760 disinformation.

00:42:42.180 Right?

00:42:43.080 Would you

00:42:43.920 agree with

00:42:44.620 this basic

00:42:45.420 statement

00:42:45.900 that if

00:42:46.980 it were

00:42:47.340 Russian

00:42:47.760 disinformation,

00:42:49.500 they wouldn't

00:42:50.120 drop off

00:42:50.680 three laptops.

00:42:52.460 One maybe

00:42:53.080 and even

00:42:54.320 one stretches

00:42:55.840 credulity really

00:42:57.220 because if

00:42:58.600 it were Russian,

00:42:59.600 they would

00:43:00.060 just hack it.

00:43:01.300 Right?

00:43:01.860 If it were Russian,

00:43:02.780 you just have

00:43:03.240 the digital data.

00:43:04.740 I don't see

00:43:05.600 them bringing

00:43:08.260 in the laptop,

00:43:09.940 the fake

00:43:10.380 laptop,

00:43:11.220 that the

00:43:11.600 Bidens could

00:43:12.280 simply say,

00:43:13.040 no,

00:43:13.280 that's not

00:43:13.680 our laptop.

00:43:15.660 And indeed,

00:43:16.760 the fact that

00:43:17.460 nobody has

00:43:19.120 denied that's

00:43:19.940 a real laptop

00:43:20.880 and nobody

00:43:21.840 has denied

00:43:22.520 that the

00:43:22.900 emails are

00:43:23.480 real.

00:43:24.740 If that

00:43:25.440 were Russian

00:43:26.000 disinformation,

00:43:27.740 isn't that

00:43:28.300 the first

00:43:28.700 thing the

00:43:29.040 Biden campaign

00:43:29.780 would say?

00:43:30.680 That's not

00:43:31.160 our laptop.

00:43:32.620 That laptop

00:43:33.280 doesn't belong

00:43:33.980 to us.

00:43:34.860 Must be

00:43:35.360 Russian

00:43:35.680 disinformation.

00:43:40.080 Somebody

00:43:40.680 says that

00:43:41.680 they brought

00:43:42.560 three but

00:43:43.300 only left

00:43:43.820 one.

00:43:44.260 Why would

00:43:44.580 he do

00:43:44.820 that?

00:43:45.620 And why

00:43:46.000 would he

00:43:46.260 bring three

00:43:46.820 and leave

00:43:47.200 one?

00:43:47.820 Even that

00:43:48.420 doesn't make

00:43:48.880 sense as

00:43:49.940 Russian

00:43:50.300 disinformation.

00:43:55.260 All right.

00:43:56.920 So,

00:43:58.540 the other

00:44:00.440 thing that

00:44:00.860 you need to

00:44:01.300 know about

00:44:01.800 this Hunter

00:44:03.340 Biden story

00:44:04.300 is that

00:44:05.420 apparently,

00:44:06.220 and I don't

00:44:06.600 think the

00:44:06.980 New York

00:44:07.240 Post reported

00:44:08.180 this,

00:44:08.540 this is

00:44:08.800 something I

00:44:09.280 think David

00:44:09.800 Korn said

00:44:10.440 in Mother

00:44:11.460 Jones,

00:44:12.420 that there

00:44:13.360 was something

00:44:13.780 in there,

00:44:14.420 one of the

00:44:14.920 emails said

00:44:16.180 to one of

00:44:16.720 the foreign

00:44:17.900 people that

00:44:18.860 wanted to

00:44:19.520 get an

00:44:20.540 introduction to

00:44:21.340 the big guy,

00:44:22.620 I think.

00:44:23.500 I think there

00:44:24.400 was something

00:44:24.680 in the email

00:44:25.180 saying that

00:44:26.200 we're not

00:44:27.120 going to try

00:44:27.500 to influence

00:44:28.140 on policy.

00:44:29.920 So,

00:44:30.320 something Hunter

00:44:31.380 or his

00:44:31.960 partners wrote

00:44:32.740 said clearly,

00:44:34.400 no, we're not

00:44:34.860 going to try

00:44:35.220 to influence

00:44:35.860 the government.

00:44:37.900 But they

00:44:38.620 did in

00:44:39.160 another email

00:44:39.800 say that

00:44:40.300 introductions

00:44:40.880 were in

00:44:41.400 order.

00:44:41.980 Now, the

00:44:42.240 thing you

00:44:42.540 don't know,

00:44:43.800 maybe, is

00:44:44.780 that especially

00:44:45.400 in, let's

00:44:46.380 say, China,

00:44:47.340 it's a big,

00:44:48.360 big deal to

00:44:49.380 get a photograph

00:44:50.040 of you in

00:44:50.960 the White

00:44:51.260 House or

00:44:51.920 shaking hands

00:44:53.040 with the

00:44:53.280 president,

00:44:54.120 and a

00:44:54.600 vice president

00:44:55.180 would be

00:44:55.700 pretty good

00:44:56.380 too.

00:44:57.440 So,

00:44:58.300 there are

00:44:59.740 foreign

00:45:00.920 entities that

00:45:01.580 would pay

00:45:02.020 enormous amounts

00:45:03.120 of money

00:45:03.420 just for the

00:45:04.000 photo.

00:45:04.980 That's it,

00:45:05.440 just for the

00:45:05.920 photo.

00:45:07.800 So, there

00:45:08.620 could be a

00:45:09.060 photo element

00:45:09.800 in this that's

00:45:10.560 the big deal.

00:45:12.740 But we don't

00:45:13.480 know if Biden

00:45:14.420 met with

00:45:14.860 anybody.

00:45:15.640 I'm guessing

00:45:16.120 he did.

00:45:17.120 I noticed

00:45:17.660 that Biden

00:45:18.500 in his

00:45:19.100 campaign speech

00:45:20.340 yesterday

00:45:21.260 used the

00:45:24.400 wrong name

00:45:24.920 for his

00:45:25.340 running mate.

00:45:27.680 You know,

00:45:28.080 Trump got

00:45:28.800 criticized for

00:45:30.280 calling Matt

00:45:30.920 Gates or Rick

00:45:31.540 Gates, which

00:45:32.680 is bad

00:45:33.060 enough.

00:45:33.980 But, you

00:45:34.680 know, that's

00:45:35.020 something we've

00:45:35.580 all done.

00:45:36.720 Not exactly

00:45:37.720 shocking.

00:45:38.960 But there's

00:45:39.620 so much

00:45:40.200 attention given

00:45:41.220 to how to

00:45:42.040 pronounce

00:45:43.200 Kamala.

00:45:45.040 And I'm

00:45:45.880 told that

00:45:46.540 if you

00:45:47.640 think of

00:45:48.200 the

00:45:48.400 comma,

00:45:48.940 like

00:45:49.140 punctuation,

00:45:49.980 a comma,

00:45:50.820 if you think

00:45:51.560 of that first,

00:45:52.380 that helps

00:45:52.800 you pronounce

00:45:53.360 it right.

00:45:53.760 So, it's

00:45:54.080 Kamala,

00:45:55.760 it's not

00:45:56.360 Kamala,

00:45:57.720 or Kamala.

00:45:59.440 It's not

00:46:00.340 Kamala.

00:46:00.760 And I

00:46:02.220 heard Biden

00:46:02.700 mispronounce

00:46:03.360 her first

00:46:03.720 name.

00:46:05.080 So, that's

00:46:06.940 not good.

00:46:07.880 All right,

00:46:08.080 there's a cool

00:46:08.500 story about

00:46:09.140 CNN and

00:46:10.580 Ice Cube.

00:46:11.960 So, Ice Cube,

00:46:13.060 the rapper,

00:46:14.960 he has this

00:46:16.200 13-part plan

00:46:17.660 for black

00:46:18.320 America,

00:46:19.580 specifically

00:46:20.140 only for

00:46:21.100 black people

00:46:22.080 in this

00:46:22.460 country who

00:46:23.040 are descended

00:46:23.600 from slaves.

00:46:24.780 He explicitly

00:46:25.860 says he's not

00:46:26.820 talking about

00:46:27.380 people of

00:46:27.900 color,

00:46:28.380 per se,

00:46:29.260 but only

00:46:29.780 black people

00:46:30.900 descended of

00:46:31.760 slaves.

00:46:32.920 And he

00:46:33.760 thinks the

00:46:34.160 problem is

00:46:34.520 that black

00:46:34.820 people don't

00:46:35.620 own enough

00:46:36.120 capital.

00:46:36.780 That's one

00:46:37.280 of the big

00:46:37.580 problems.

00:46:38.600 And he's

00:46:39.300 got this

00:46:39.680 13-part

00:46:40.480 plan.

00:46:42.480 Now, when I

00:46:42.920 heard that,

00:46:43.840 and I guess

00:46:44.240 part of the

00:46:44.660 story is that

00:46:45.420 both campaigns

00:46:46.420 contacted him.

00:46:47.920 So, the

00:46:48.720 Biden campaign

00:46:49.660 contacted him

00:46:50.520 and said,

00:46:50.820 yeah, we'll

00:46:51.140 talk to you

00:46:51.560 after the

00:46:51.980 election.

00:46:52.880 And the

00:46:53.480 Trump campaign

00:46:54.460 talked to him,

00:46:55.960 called him,

00:46:56.400 and said,

00:46:57.100 yeah, we'll

00:46:57.440 talk to you

00:46:57.800 right now.

00:46:59.120 And do you

00:46:59.740 have any

00:47:00.040 ideas?

00:47:01.020 And apparently

00:47:01.540 he had some

00:47:02.240 suggestions,

00:47:03.160 which allegedly

00:47:03.920 became part

00:47:04.780 of the

00:47:05.860 Trump campaign

00:47:07.120 platinum

00:47:07.660 plan.

00:47:10.760 You're not

00:47:11.340 hearing much

00:47:11.800 about that

00:47:12.200 story, which

00:47:13.360 is pretty big.

00:47:14.020 I'd love to

00:47:14.440 know what

00:47:14.780 exactly he

00:47:15.560 added to

00:47:16.000 the plan,

00:47:16.940 but he

00:47:17.300 says he

00:47:17.640 did.

00:47:18.620 And I'm

00:47:20.340 reading this

00:47:20.760 story on

00:47:21.240 CNN, and

00:47:22.460 it references

00:47:23.500 Ice Cube's

00:47:24.620 13-point

00:47:25.660 plan, and I

00:47:26.820 thought to

00:47:27.120 myself, whoa,

00:47:27.980 that's

00:47:28.220 productive.

00:47:30.040 That's

00:47:30.420 productive.

00:47:31.340 Finally, we're

00:47:32.720 having somebody

00:47:33.340 come out with

00:47:34.000 specific things

00:47:35.200 that we can

00:47:35.740 debate, and

00:47:37.100 that's progress.

00:47:38.240 You might not

00:47:38.780 like those

00:47:39.320 13 things, but

00:47:40.360 at least it's a

00:47:41.120 starting point.

00:47:42.540 We can have a

00:47:43.060 conversation about

00:47:43.840 that.

00:47:44.480 So I go to

00:47:45.100 click on the

00:47:45.820 13-part plan,

00:47:47.140 because obviously,

00:47:48.660 if CNN writes

00:47:49.580 a story about

00:47:50.960 Ice Cube's

00:47:51.660 13-part plan,

00:47:53.000 obviously, they're

00:47:54.780 going to link to

00:47:55.320 the plan, so I

00:47:56.160 can go look at

00:47:56.840 it.

00:47:57.800 Uh, nope.

00:48:00.300 No link.

00:48:01.820 So I said to

00:48:02.440 myself, well, no

00:48:03.300 problem.

00:48:03.920 I'm a modern

00:48:05.000 person in a

00:48:05.760 modern world.

00:48:06.780 I don't need a

00:48:07.540 link.

00:48:08.340 I know what it's

00:48:09.020 called.

00:48:09.600 It's Ice Cube's

00:48:10.660 13-part plan.

00:48:12.360 So I Google it.

00:48:14.420 Couldn't find it.

00:48:16.660 What?

00:48:17.140 Ice Cube is

00:48:19.480 apparently the

00:48:20.060 most productive

00:48:20.860 person helping

00:48:22.380 black America at

00:48:23.600 the moment, because

00:48:24.760 he's the only

00:48:25.180 person who had a

00:48:25.900 specific idea that's

00:48:27.640 already been adopted

00:48:28.480 by the administration.

00:48:29.800 He's already, you

00:48:30.980 know, of all the

00:48:31.640 people doing

00:48:32.180 anything, he's

00:48:33.360 already number one,

00:48:34.900 because he's done

00:48:35.460 more than everybody

00:48:36.300 put together, because

00:48:37.600 he did something.

00:48:38.920 Everybody else put

00:48:39.900 together didn't do

00:48:40.720 anything.

00:48:42.460 But he did one

00:48:43.180 thing, and he's got

00:48:43.860 at least 12 more

00:48:44.800 things to look at.

00:48:46.220 That's great.

00:48:47.880 You can't even find

00:48:49.160 these on a Google

00:48:49.980 search.

00:48:52.260 Now, when I say I

00:48:53.560 can't find it, I

00:48:54.380 mean it didn't come

00:48:55.080 up in the first few

00:48:55.940 pages.

00:48:56.940 I don't know if I

00:48:57.660 spent more time on

00:48:58.620 it, I could have

00:48:59.080 found it.

00:49:00.600 But shouldn't that

00:49:02.480 be a little bit

00:49:03.120 easier to find?

00:49:04.440 I'd like to talk

00:49:05.340 about that.

00:49:07.000 And Ice Cube, of

00:49:08.000 course, is getting

00:49:08.640 ripped apart for

00:49:10.780 helping the Trump

00:49:11.680 administration, which

00:49:13.360 isn't exactly what

00:49:14.780 he did.

00:49:15.380 what he did was

00:49:16.980 helped black people

00:49:18.900 in America, and he

00:49:20.940 gets attacked for

00:49:21.940 it.

00:49:22.660 What's that tell

00:49:23.540 you?

00:49:26.040 That really sort

00:49:27.100 of highlights the

00:49:28.020 problem with black

00:49:28.980 America, doesn't it?

00:49:30.400 Here's a guy who

00:49:31.440 only wants to help.

00:49:33.120 He's not being

00:49:33.840 political.

00:49:35.040 He'll work with

00:49:35.940 whoever can help

00:49:37.180 black America.

00:49:38.560 He puts the work

00:49:39.700 in.

00:49:39.960 He's not some

00:49:42.080 tourist celebrity

00:49:45.280 who came by and

00:49:46.400 says, hey, make

00:49:47.240 everything better,

00:49:48.000 Black Lives Matter,

00:49:48.820 see you later.

00:49:49.900 He's not that guy.

00:49:51.780 And I've told you

00:49:52.380 before that everybody

00:49:54.740 mocks celebrities who

00:49:56.200 get into politics,

00:49:57.240 including me, but I

00:49:58.600 don't think it's all

00:49:59.160 the same.

00:50:00.520 I think Alyssa Milano

00:50:03.060 is a serious person

00:50:04.660 who does the work and

00:50:06.500 gets into the

00:50:07.100 politics.

00:50:07.520 And while I might

00:50:08.720 not agree with her

00:50:09.580 on most things, she

00:50:11.260 should be taken

00:50:12.280 seriously.

00:50:13.040 She's putting in the

00:50:13.660 work.

00:50:14.080 She's a patriot.

00:50:15.180 She's a concerned

00:50:16.740 citizen.

00:50:17.640 She's doing what we

00:50:18.780 all should do, which

00:50:20.580 is try to be useful.

00:50:23.160 Ice Cube is like

00:50:23.920 that.

00:50:24.620 He's not a worthless

00:50:25.600 celebrity.

00:50:26.980 He's got a 13-point

00:50:28.120 plan that I'd like to

00:50:29.180 see.

00:50:29.980 He's already talked

00:50:30.940 to both campaigns.

00:50:32.900 He's made a

00:50:33.440 difference.

00:50:34.580 Let's hear some more

00:50:35.300 of that.

00:50:36.200 I might not like it,

00:50:37.520 but I'd like to

00:50:38.680 hear it.

00:50:39.620 Here's my assumption.

00:50:43.840 The assumption that

00:50:44.880 he's being disappeared

00:50:46.120 in terms of the

00:50:47.040 details of his plan

00:50:48.060 and only being

00:50:48.820 mocked, I believe

00:50:50.260 he's being

00:50:50.740 disappeared by

00:50:52.000 the Democrats

00:50:54.460 because the last

00:50:57.240 thing they need

00:50:58.140 is solutions.

00:51:00.200 It is not good

00:51:01.580 for Biden to

00:51:03.600 see that black

00:51:04.720 people have

00:51:05.720 ideas and

00:51:06.800 they're not

00:51:07.180 so bad

00:51:07.860 and that

00:51:09.180 maybe they

00:51:09.740 could even

00:51:10.080 be implemented.

00:51:11.380 That doesn't

00:51:12.180 work because

00:51:12.800 they need

00:51:13.160 the grievance.

00:51:14.320 They need

00:51:14.920 the anger.

00:51:15.540 They need

00:51:15.840 the energy

00:51:16.660 of the

00:51:17.280 problem.

00:51:18.460 They don't

00:51:18.860 need the

00:51:19.240 solution,

00:51:19.820 but they

00:51:20.780 certainly need

00:51:21.400 the problem

00:51:21.900 because the

00:51:22.300 election is

00:51:22.700 coming.

00:51:23.040 So I don't

00:51:24.260 know if

00:51:24.580 Ice Cube

00:51:25.520 has deduced

00:51:26.780 that yet,

00:51:27.600 that he's

00:51:28.200 being canceled

00:51:29.780 by his own

00:51:30.400 party because

00:51:31.880 it was never

00:51:32.660 about solutions.

00:51:33.540 If you

00:51:34.480 remember back

00:51:35.220 when Kaepernick

00:51:36.920 was initially

00:51:37.840 doing his,

00:51:38.720 when he was

00:51:39.120 still in the

00:51:39.540 league and he

00:51:39.960 was doing the

00:51:40.420 kneeling and

00:51:41.000 everybody was

00:51:41.440 complaining,

00:51:42.520 you may have

00:51:43.040 remembered that

00:51:44.940 I did the

00:51:45.520 opposite.

00:51:46.500 And I said,

00:51:47.460 hey, how

00:51:48.160 about I'll

00:51:48.660 even help

00:51:49.120 you come up

00:51:50.360 with your

00:51:50.960 plan and I'll

00:51:52.820 even help you

00:51:53.380 argue for your

00:51:54.100 plan.

00:51:54.440 I'll help you

00:51:55.000 persuade with

00:51:56.740 the best of my

00:51:57.380 ability so that

00:51:58.160 you have the

00:51:58.540 best argument for

00:52:00.300 the things you

00:52:00.940 think need to be

00:52:01.620 done.

00:52:01.900 If they don't

00:52:02.300 get past, at

00:52:04.020 least you had

00:52:04.420 the best

00:52:04.780 argument and

00:52:05.440 at least it

00:52:05.860 was a serious

00:52:06.480 thing, at

00:52:07.500 least we were

00:52:08.040 working together,

00:52:09.160 at least we're

00:52:09.760 on the same

00:52:10.220 side, at

00:52:11.560 least we were

00:52:11.980 being good

00:52:12.440 people about

00:52:13.020 it.

00:52:13.800 So that was

00:52:14.480 my initial

00:52:15.280 take.

00:52:16.360 And I

00:52:16.860 eventually

00:52:17.800 learned and

00:52:18.820 even worked

00:52:19.340 with Black

00:52:20.120 Lives Matter a

00:52:20.840 little bit

00:52:21.220 through

00:52:21.660 Hawk

00:52:22.360 Newsome,

00:52:23.180 and eventually

00:52:23.800 learned that

00:52:24.800 solutions were

00:52:25.760 not popular.

00:52:28.580 And that was

00:52:29.820 like a gigantic

00:52:30.900 red pill for

00:52:31.780 me.

00:52:32.300 Because I

00:52:32.820 kind of, at

00:52:33.480 that point, I

00:52:34.060 still thought,

00:52:34.760 well, obviously

00:52:35.380 you want to

00:52:35.920 solve the

00:52:36.380 problem.

00:52:37.620 You don't

00:52:37.980 want to just

00:52:38.380 have a

00:52:38.800 problem, you

00:52:39.180 want to

00:52:39.420 solve a

00:52:39.800 problem.

00:52:40.660 But no, there

00:52:42.040 is not energy

00:52:42.960 for solving the

00:52:43.900 problem.

00:52:44.680 There is energy

00:52:45.340 for keeping

00:52:45.880 the problem.

00:52:47.600 And I think

00:52:48.440 Ice Cube has

00:52:49.160 proved that.

00:52:50.520 Let's talk

00:52:50.980 about some

00:52:51.400 cults.

00:52:54.580 I tweeted

00:52:55.400 that if CNN

00:52:57.580 and others are

00:52:58.340 calling QAnon

00:52:59.240 a cult,

00:52:59.860 wouldn't

00:53:01.780 Black Lives

00:53:02.360 Matter be

00:53:02.820 a cult?

00:53:04.200 Because I

00:53:05.320 have trouble

00:53:05.740 finding the

00:53:06.380 difference.

00:53:07.740 So you've

00:53:08.160 got QAnon

00:53:08.980 who sees

00:53:10.260 pedophilia

00:53:11.160 everywhere,

00:53:12.580 even maybe

00:53:13.200 where it

00:53:13.560 doesn't exist.

00:53:15.220 Then you've

00:53:15.580 got Black

00:53:15.980 Lives Matter

00:53:16.480 who sees

00:53:16.940 racism

00:53:17.740 everywhere,

00:53:18.840 including

00:53:19.260 some places

00:53:20.320 that might

00:53:20.720 not exist.

00:53:21.420 In both

00:53:23.800 cases, you

00:53:24.440 can join

00:53:24.920 the

00:53:25.100 organization

00:53:25.620 and leave

00:53:26.180 the

00:53:26.340 organization.

00:53:29.280 How are

00:53:29.880 they

00:53:29.980 different?

00:53:31.500 I don't

00:53:32.020 really see a

00:53:32.500 difference there.

00:53:33.460 So what

00:53:33.840 makes one

00:53:34.300 a cult

00:53:34.740 and the

00:53:35.860 other not

00:53:36.460 a cult?

00:53:37.600 So I

00:53:38.400 ask this

00:53:38.800 question.

00:53:41.920 So QAnon

00:53:43.220 doesn't have

00:53:43.820 a leader.

00:53:44.920 Don't you

00:53:45.340 need a leader

00:53:45.900 to be a

00:53:46.400 cult?

00:53:47.200 That feels

00:53:47.680 like the

00:53:48.120 minimum

00:53:48.420 requirement of

00:53:49.220 a cult.

00:53:50.040 Now,

00:53:50.240 Black Lives

00:53:50.680 Matter has

00:53:51.280 sort of

00:53:51.780 leaders,

00:53:52.520 but they're

00:53:52.920 more like

00:53:53.360 founders.

00:53:55.000 It's not

00:53:55.560 like the

00:53:55.920 people

00:53:56.180 marching

00:53:56.620 or they

00:53:58.480 don't feel

00:53:58.920 that they

00:53:59.240 report to

00:53:59.820 any leader.

00:54:01.260 There is

00:54:01.720 an organizer,

00:54:02.600 but not

00:54:03.380 really a

00:54:03.840 leader per

00:54:04.480 se,

00:54:04.680 like a

00:54:05.040 cult.

00:54:05.920 It's more

00:54:06.600 people

00:54:06.980 independently

00:54:07.620 doing what

00:54:08.100 they want

00:54:08.360 to do.

00:54:09.380 So you

00:54:09.960 don't have

00:54:10.320 a leader.

00:54:10.960 That's not

00:54:11.440 cult-like.

00:54:14.020 QAnon,

00:54:14.860 literally,

00:54:15.580 the primary

00:54:16.400 thing that

00:54:17.040 they say

00:54:17.540 is do

00:54:18.600 your own

00:54:19.020 research and

00:54:19.740 make up

00:54:20.100 your own

00:54:20.420 mind.

00:54:21.400 A cult

00:54:21.860 tries to

00:54:22.580 keep you

00:54:23.040 from the

00:54:23.400 outside world

00:54:24.280 and it

00:54:24.960 tries to

00:54:25.400 keep you

00:54:25.880 from any

00:54:26.300 information

00:54:26.820 that might

00:54:27.300 change your

00:54:28.420 mind.

00:54:29.520 QAnon does

00:54:30.180 the opposite.

00:54:31.400 They say,

00:54:32.020 go research.

00:54:33.260 Go do your

00:54:33.780 own research.

00:54:34.500 I did my

00:54:34.960 own research.

00:54:35.600 Please do

00:54:36.440 your own

00:54:36.800 research.

00:54:37.920 That is

00:54:38.640 aggressively

00:54:39.560 opposite a

00:54:40.660 cult.

00:54:41.760 That's

00:54:42.180 literally

00:54:42.620 saying that

00:54:44.100 white is

00:54:44.480 black,

00:54:45.400 zero is

00:54:46.020 one.

00:54:46.920 Those are

00:54:47.440 opposites.

00:54:48.100 do your

00:54:49.300 own

00:54:49.480 searches

00:54:49.840 opposite

00:54:50.360 of a

00:54:51.020 cult.

00:54:52.240 There's

00:54:52.680 no argument

00:54:53.160 on that.

00:54:54.820 And you

00:54:55.400 can leave

00:54:55.740 any time.

00:54:57.600 That's as

00:54:58.240 non-cult as

00:54:59.340 you can get.

00:55:00.660 Now,

00:55:01.960 is QAnon

00:55:03.000 correct in

00:55:04.480 their beliefs?

00:55:05.500 Well, you

00:55:06.200 already know I

00:55:06.800 don't believe

00:55:07.280 they are.

00:55:08.300 So I don't

00:55:08.780 believe QAnon's

00:55:10.080 claims passed

00:55:11.720 the sniff test

00:55:12.520 and I

00:55:13.420 think that's

00:55:13.820 been demonstrated

00:55:14.520 well enough.

00:55:16.200 But that

00:55:17.440 would be

00:55:17.920 more like a

00:55:18.860 conspiracy

00:55:19.340 theory,

00:55:20.440 more like

00:55:20.920 false

00:55:21.340 beliefs.

00:55:23.320 That would

00:55:23.980 be the

00:55:24.220 worst case.

00:55:25.920 And I

00:55:26.560 have to

00:55:26.880 say that

00:55:27.460 the QAnon

00:55:28.700 believers

00:55:29.260 themselves,

00:55:31.080 as I saw

00:55:32.160 some of

00:55:32.460 them being

00:55:32.760 interviewed by

00:55:33.340 CNN,

00:55:34.560 and they

00:55:35.080 were asked

00:55:35.560 about the

00:55:36.600 president

00:55:36.980 not denouncing

00:55:39.620 QAnon,

00:55:40.180 and a

00:55:41.400 number of

00:55:41.720 the people

00:55:41.980 going to

00:55:42.400 the rally

00:55:43.260 agreed with

00:55:43.960 the president

00:55:44.400 and said,

00:55:44.800 no,

00:55:45.920 let people

00:55:46.700 figure it

00:55:47.100 out themselves.

00:55:47.700 He just

00:55:47.940 wants people

00:55:48.460 to do

00:55:49.420 their own

00:55:49.780 research.

00:55:50.980 Now,

00:55:51.480 I don't

00:55:52.220 buy into

00:55:53.060 that thinking,

00:55:54.480 but I

00:55:55.420 did love

00:55:56.560 the people,

00:55:57.560 like just

00:55:57.820 watching the

00:55:58.700 people respond

00:55:59.540 to the

00:56:00.060 CNN reporter.

00:56:01.480 They're all

00:56:01.920 kind of

00:56:02.280 lovable,

00:56:03.540 meaning they

00:56:04.020 don't have

00:56:04.500 bad intentions.

00:56:05.660 They're

00:56:05.780 anti-pedophilia,

00:56:08.480 who doesn't

00:56:09.920 agree with

00:56:10.400 that.

00:56:10.740 That's

00:56:10.920 what the

00:56:11.140 president

00:56:11.420 said as

00:56:11.900 well.

00:56:12.780 So,

00:56:13.360 while I

00:56:14.260 do not

00:56:14.660 accept their

00:56:15.560 claims as

00:56:16.240 being true,

00:56:17.380 they're quite

00:56:17.820 a lovable

00:56:18.480 group,

00:56:19.160 I've got

00:56:19.540 to say.

00:56:21.640 All right,

00:56:23.460 let's talk

00:56:23.860 about,

00:56:24.260 so I

00:56:25.660 got approached,

00:56:27.520 if you can

00:56:28.000 call it that,

00:56:28.520 on Twitter,

00:56:29.440 by Steve

00:56:30.120 Hassan.

00:56:30.760 Have you ever

00:56:31.120 heard of him?

00:56:31.580 He's a cult

00:56:32.660 expert.

00:56:34.640 And he

00:56:35.280 said that,

00:56:38.140 Scott,

00:56:38.480 you have

00:56:38.780 lost any

00:56:39.380 shred of

00:56:39.860 independent

00:56:40.360 thinking,

00:56:41.580 because I

00:56:42.200 said that

00:56:43.160 QAnon is

00:56:43.740 not a

00:56:44.100 cult.

00:56:45.280 I'm sorry

00:56:46.000 to see,

00:56:47.020 from debunking

00:56:48.100 QAnon to

00:56:48.820 defending it.

00:56:49.600 So he

00:56:49.900 knows I've

00:56:50.740 debunked it

00:56:51.220 in the

00:56:51.440 past,

00:56:52.120 but now he

00:56:52.760 thinks I'm

00:56:53.220 defending it

00:56:54.020 by defining

00:56:57.500 them as

00:56:58.080 not a

00:56:58.480 cult.

00:56:59.220 Do you

00:56:59.600 see that?

00:57:00.620 Am I

00:57:01.040 defending

00:57:01.600 QAnon

00:57:02.360 by simply

00:57:03.440 saying that

00:57:04.200 all of the

00:57:04.960 definition of

00:57:05.680 a cult,

00:57:06.820 objectively

00:57:07.260 speaking,

00:57:08.060 and nobody

00:57:08.400 would disagree

00:57:09.000 with the

00:57:09.680 specifics,

00:57:10.980 none of

00:57:11.400 them fit.

00:57:12.380 Is that

00:57:12.740 defending him?

00:57:14.280 Well,

00:57:15.780 is a true

00:57:16.420 statement

00:57:16.900 defending

00:57:17.440 somebody?

00:57:18.420 If you're

00:57:20.100 stuck in

00:57:20.720 that simple

00:57:21.720 little world

00:57:22.420 where saying

00:57:23.380 something true

00:57:24.180 about somebody

00:57:25.120 you don't agree

00:57:25.760 with is

00:57:26.840 defending them,

00:57:28.520 you need to

00:57:29.460 increase your

00:57:31.340 level of

00:57:31.800 maturity.

00:57:32.840 You need to

00:57:33.460 be able to

00:57:33.960 handle that

00:57:35.280 sometimes your

00:57:35.940 enemies have

00:57:36.520 some good

00:57:36.940 qualities,

00:57:38.000 sometimes the

00:57:38.700 people you

00:57:39.060 disagree with

00:57:39.780 can be

00:57:40.120 right.

00:57:41.160 It's a

00:57:41.580 thing.

00:57:42.760 People you

00:57:43.280 don't like

00:57:43.900 sometimes can

00:57:45.400 be right.

00:57:46.780 Duh.

00:57:47.740 So I

00:57:49.760 would think

00:57:50.140 that context

00:57:51.340 would matter

00:57:52.340 and given

00:57:53.740 that Mr.

00:57:55.200 Hassan,

00:57:55.840 the cult

00:57:56.180 expert,

00:57:56.780 knows I

00:57:57.280 don't believe

00:57:58.020 what they

00:57:58.500 believe,

00:57:59.360 I would

00:57:59.940 think that I

00:58:00.500 wouldn't call

00:58:00.940 this defending.

00:58:02.900 But I

00:58:04.360 would certainly

00:58:04.900 actually maybe

00:58:06.980 you could call

00:58:07.460 it defending

00:58:07.960 in the sense

00:58:09.620 that I'm

00:58:10.040 defending them

00:58:10.740 against a

00:58:11.300 false accusation.

00:58:13.140 Is that

00:58:13.760 defending or

00:58:14.720 is that just

00:58:15.160 describing?

00:58:17.040 Well,

00:58:17.360 anyway,

00:58:18.420 this cult

00:58:19.120 expert,

00:58:19.700 Steve Hassan,

00:58:20.620 became a cult

00:58:21.660 expert because

00:58:22.400 he had been

00:58:22.880 in a cult.

00:58:23.660 He had been

00:58:24.000 a Mooney.

00:58:25.100 So I guess

00:58:25.720 when he was

00:58:26.160 younger he

00:58:26.640 grew up in

00:58:27.220 the Moonies

00:58:28.940 who are called

00:58:29.600 a cult.

00:58:30.940 And here's

00:58:31.940 a question

00:58:32.400 I would

00:58:32.880 ask you.

00:58:33.580 This is

00:58:33.900 based on

00:58:34.340 my own

00:58:34.800 understanding

00:58:35.380 of persuasion.

00:58:37.520 And this

00:58:38.240 is sort

00:58:38.620 of similar

00:58:39.140 to stalkers.

00:58:40.140 I learned

00:58:40.480 this from

00:58:41.020 an expert

00:58:41.980 on stalkers.

00:58:43.420 You can't

00:58:44.260 really make

00:58:44.760 a stalker

00:58:45.420 stop stalking

00:58:46.760 unless their

00:58:48.160 dad are in

00:58:48.940 jail or

00:58:49.300 something.

00:58:50.160 You can

00:58:50.660 convince a

00:58:51.840 stalker not

00:58:52.660 to stalk

00:58:53.240 a specific

00:58:54.060 target,

00:58:55.160 but they

00:58:55.820 will just

00:58:56.140 get interested

00:58:56.760 later in

00:58:57.460 somebody else

00:58:58.060 and just

00:58:58.380 stalk somebody

00:58:59.000 else.

00:58:59.900 So the

00:59:00.460 thinking from

00:59:01.240 an expert

00:59:01.680 on stalkers

00:59:02.480 is that

00:59:03.280 once a

00:59:03.800 stalker

00:59:04.200 always a

00:59:04.700 stalker,

00:59:05.400 you can

00:59:06.000 only change

00:59:06.520 who they

00:59:06.840 stalk.

00:59:08.560 I wonder,

00:59:10.180 I'm speculating,

00:59:11.760 that if you

00:59:12.700 are the kind

00:59:13.220 of person who

00:59:13.880 has ever been

00:59:14.600 in any cult,

00:59:16.420 aren't you

00:59:17.240 susceptible to

00:59:18.080 being in

00:59:18.460 another one?

00:59:19.540 Because whatever

00:59:20.360 it was about

00:59:22.000 you that caused

00:59:23.280 you to be a

00:59:23.900 member of one

00:59:24.780 cult, do you

00:59:26.140 grow out of

00:59:26.700 that?

00:59:27.240 Or is that

00:59:27.680 just who

00:59:28.020 you are?

00:59:29.380 Because Steve

00:59:30.660 Hassan is

00:59:31.460 quite a

00:59:33.060 Trump hater,

00:59:34.680 and it

00:59:35.280 feels to me

00:59:36.160 like cultish

00:59:37.760 behavior.

00:59:39.040 I feel as

00:59:39.940 though he

00:59:40.240 just went

00:59:40.600 from one

00:59:41.040 cult to

00:59:41.460 another,

00:59:42.380 and I

00:59:42.760 know that

00:59:43.080 he would

00:59:43.380 say the

00:59:43.780 same about

00:59:44.260 me for

00:59:45.940 the things

00:59:46.520 I say

00:59:46.900 about Trump.

00:59:48.380 But I

00:59:48.860 would refer

00:59:50.380 him to

00:59:50.920 yesterday's

00:59:51.740 periscope.

00:59:52.720 so anybody

00:59:54.280 who thinks

00:59:54.860 that I'm

00:59:55.860 brainwashed,

00:59:58.640 you have to

00:59:59.300 explain why

01:00:00.200 I can so

01:00:00.880 easily

01:00:01.300 criticize the

01:00:02.480 thing you

01:00:02.840 think I'm

01:00:03.300 brainwashed

01:00:03.840 to support,

01:00:05.020 because I

01:00:05.480 can do it

01:00:05.900 pretty easily

01:00:06.580 at great

01:00:08.080 consternation

01:00:08.880 to my

01:00:09.280 audience.

01:00:10.360 All right,

01:00:11.040 so BLM's

01:00:13.480 a cult if

01:00:14.280 QAnon's a

01:00:15.000 cult, or

01:00:16.140 neither of

01:00:16.660 them are

01:00:16.920 cults if

01:00:18.180 you want to

01:00:18.560 be more

01:00:19.560 accurate.

01:00:20.080 But I

01:00:20.280 told you I

01:00:21.560 was going to

01:00:21.840 watch this

01:00:22.240 special, or

01:00:24.320 a series, I

01:00:25.040 guess, on

01:00:25.400 HBO, called

01:00:26.260 The Vow, and

01:00:28.120 it's about a

01:00:29.000 cult, I

01:00:30.700 never know how

01:00:31.200 to pronounce

01:00:31.720 it, N-X-I-V-M,

01:00:33.800 but I think

01:00:34.140 they pronounce

01:00:34.980 it Nexivim,

01:00:38.500 Nexivim, or

01:00:39.320 something,

01:00:39.740 Nexium, and

01:00:41.440 it's this

01:00:42.420 Keith

01:00:42.760 Rainier

01:00:43.500 fellow, and

01:00:45.580 first of all,

01:00:46.480 I recommend

01:00:47.260 the content.

01:00:48.460 It's really

01:00:49.160 interesting, and

01:00:50.660 part of what

01:00:51.240 makes it

01:00:51.620 interesting,

01:00:52.240 is that one

01:00:53.060 of the cult

01:00:53.540 members was

01:00:55.860 also a very

01:00:56.780 good filmmaker,

01:00:58.280 and apparently

01:00:59.100 was taking

01:01:00.220 film and

01:01:01.160 really high

01:01:01.720 quality audio

01:01:02.520 through much

01:01:03.740 of his

01:01:04.180 experience in

01:01:05.000 the cult, and

01:01:05.620 then afterwards.

01:01:06.780 So it's not

01:01:07.900 just a documentary

01:01:09.200 where they're

01:01:10.400 talking about a

01:01:11.260 cult, and

01:01:11.780 maybe they

01:01:12.280 interview some

01:01:13.220 people, they

01:01:13.860 do some

01:01:14.180 interviews too,

01:01:15.060 but you

01:01:15.480 actually see

01:01:16.120 inside the

01:01:16.640 cult.

01:01:17.600 You actually

01:01:18.480 see the

01:01:19.200 footage of the

01:01:20.700 actual cult

01:01:21.740 leader,

01:01:22.620 alleged,

01:01:23.740 doing his

01:01:24.460 cult stuff.

01:01:25.940 And so I

01:01:26.380 got to watch

01:01:26.880 that and try

01:01:27.740 to pick out

01:01:28.420 his technique.

01:01:29.980 And here's

01:01:30.580 what I learned,

01:01:31.900 and I'll give

01:01:33.420 you this

01:01:33.700 background so

01:01:34.320 when you watch

01:01:34.880 it you can

01:01:35.300 look for this

01:01:36.000 stuff.

01:01:37.360 Number one,

01:01:38.160 it looks like

01:01:38.640 he modeled his

01:01:39.400 cult after

01:01:40.300 Scientology.

01:01:41.940 In other words,

01:01:42.640 he started with

01:01:43.580 the same

01:01:44.060 framework,

01:01:45.400 which is there's

01:01:46.240 this wise

01:01:47.660 leader,

01:01:48.640 instead of

01:01:49.320 L. Ron

01:01:49.700 Hubbard,

01:01:50.660 it's Keith

01:01:51.400 Rainier,

01:01:52.420 and started

01:01:54.220 with the same

01:01:54.860 Scientology idea

01:01:56.140 that your

01:01:57.700 problems in

01:01:58.400 adult life are

01:01:59.340 caused by

01:01:59.880 traumas that

01:02:00.660 you may not

01:02:01.100 be aware of

01:02:02.080 from your

01:02:02.860 early life,

01:02:03.960 and that

01:02:04.480 there's a

01:02:04.900 technique for

01:02:06.260 getting to

01:02:06.840 those traumas

01:02:07.780 and uncovering

01:02:08.660 them and

01:02:09.380 taking the

01:02:10.740 power out of

01:02:11.340 them.

01:02:12.960 Scientology has

01:02:13.940 their little

01:02:14.420 whatever it is,

01:02:15.720 the e-meter

01:02:16.340 or something

01:02:16.940 where they

01:02:17.380 do the

01:02:18.520 interviews,

01:02:19.240 is that what

01:02:19.580 it's called?

01:02:20.260 But they

01:02:20.760 have a

01:02:21.000 technique which

01:02:22.020 people say,

01:02:22.740 yes, it

01:02:23.500 made me

01:02:23.880 clear, it

01:02:24.820 got rid of

01:02:25.260 my traumas

01:02:25.940 from childhood

01:02:26.540 and now

01:02:27.000 I'm more

01:02:27.640 successful.

01:02:29.020 Now,

01:02:30.120 Scientology is

01:02:31.620 a cult,

01:02:33.900 some say,

01:02:35.260 but I

01:02:36.760 would say

01:02:37.100 this,

01:02:38.540 I'm pretty

01:02:39.400 sure the

01:02:39.880 technique works,

01:02:41.340 not every

01:02:42.260 time and

01:02:42.760 not on

01:02:43.100 every person,

01:02:44.240 but what

01:02:45.200 I've seen

01:02:45.620 of the

01:02:45.920 technique,

01:02:47.140 it would

01:02:47.740 work.

01:02:48.920 Again, not

01:02:49.600 every person.

01:02:50.820 And so when

01:02:51.440 you hear people

01:02:52.020 say, I

01:02:52.620 went through

01:02:53.280 this technique,

01:02:54.520 changed my

01:02:55.120 life, I'm

01:02:55.760 all happier,

01:02:56.640 I'm more

01:02:57.080 successful, I

01:02:58.240 think those

01:02:58.740 are mostly

01:02:59.200 true.

01:03:00.380 And my

01:03:01.740 experience with

01:03:02.480 hypnosis and

01:03:03.520 with persuasion

01:03:05.420 suggests that

01:03:06.460 there's actually

01:03:07.060 something going

01:03:07.820 on.

01:03:08.620 But it's

01:03:09.060 mostly a

01:03:11.420 hypnosis

01:03:11.940 persuasion

01:03:12.800 technique,

01:03:13.500 because if

01:03:14.460 you believe

01:03:14.960 the technique

01:03:15.560 works,

01:03:17.560 any

01:03:18.040 technique

01:03:18.380 works.

01:03:20.080 Now, that's

01:03:20.780 a bit of

01:03:21.160 an over

01:03:21.520 claim, but

01:03:22.720 believing in

01:03:23.620 the technique

01:03:24.360 gives you

01:03:26.020 what I call

01:03:26.500 the fake

01:03:27.020 because.

01:03:28.440 And

01:03:28.640 Nexfium did

01:03:30.120 this, and

01:03:30.860 Scientology does

01:03:31.920 it still,

01:03:32.900 and the fake

01:03:33.700 because goes

01:03:34.580 like this.

01:03:36.140 You may want

01:03:37.540 to become a

01:03:38.160 different person,

01:03:38.960 but you need

01:03:39.960 some reason

01:03:40.940 that you can

01:03:41.480 look to and

01:03:42.560 say, oh,

01:03:43.160 that's the

01:03:43.580 reason.

01:03:44.580 This is the

01:03:45.280 reason.

01:03:46.120 I've now

01:03:46.560 discovered this

01:03:47.420 or learned

01:03:47.880 this or felt

01:03:48.640 this, and

01:03:49.600 now I can

01:03:50.160 become this

01:03:50.760 different person.

01:03:52.200 In persuasion,

01:03:53.640 that's a thing,

01:03:54.800 giving somebody

01:03:55.420 any excuse,

01:03:57.020 and it doesn't

01:03:57.600 matter what it

01:03:58.220 is.

01:03:58.960 So you could

01:03:59.760 come up with a

01:04:00.360 technique that

01:04:00.920 says, every

01:04:01.800 time I tap you

01:04:02.820 on the head

01:04:03.160 with this pen,

01:04:03.820 you'll get

01:04:05.320 better from

01:04:05.940 your traumas,

01:04:06.860 your childhood

01:04:07.320 traumas.

01:04:08.340 You would

01:04:08.800 find people

01:04:09.480 who got

01:04:10.780 better, and

01:04:11.820 actually were

01:04:12.540 better.

01:04:13.320 Now, not all

01:04:14.060 of them, because

01:04:14.680 they wouldn't

01:04:15.060 all believe it

01:04:15.740 would work.

01:04:16.560 But if you

01:04:17.000 find somebody

01:04:17.540 who believes

01:04:17.900 it works,

01:04:19.080 it kind of

01:04:19.820 works.

01:04:20.920 It's not

01:04:21.580 quite a

01:04:22.000 placebo effect,

01:04:23.080 but it's in

01:04:23.480 that realm.

01:04:25.560 So the

01:04:25.900 first thing you

01:04:27.000 need to know

01:04:27.420 is that the

01:04:27.900 people in

01:04:28.540 the Nexfium

01:04:30.160 cult make

01:04:31.680 claims that

01:04:32.700 the technique

01:04:33.800 in this

01:04:34.300 case it was

01:04:34.760 called an

01:04:35.240 EM process

01:04:36.120 actually worked.

01:04:38.520 And in

01:04:39.320 their own

01:04:39.720 words, they're

01:04:40.240 saying, yeah,

01:04:40.880 this made

01:04:41.860 me happier,

01:04:42.960 my relationships

01:04:43.860 are better,

01:04:44.620 I'm more

01:04:44.920 successful, and

01:04:45.780 all that.

01:04:46.600 I believe

01:04:47.260 that's true.

01:04:49.300 Not every

01:04:50.000 time, wouldn't

01:04:51.520 work with

01:04:51.920 everybody, but

01:04:53.260 I do believe

01:04:54.080 that these

01:04:54.860 people were

01:04:55.280 telling the

01:04:55.720 truth that

01:04:56.280 they were

01:04:56.520 getting the

01:04:56.880 benefits.

01:04:57.620 So the

01:04:57.920 first thing

01:04:58.280 you need

01:04:58.520 to know is

01:04:58.980 that both

01:04:59.300 Scientology and

01:05:00.800 Nexfium

01:05:01.460 work.

01:05:05.480 I hate to

01:05:06.380 say that

01:05:06.940 because I

01:05:08.940 don't want to

01:05:09.340 accidentally

01:05:09.840 convince anybody

01:05:10.800 to join one

01:05:12.220 of these

01:05:12.500 groups, but

01:05:13.760 I think it

01:05:14.160 works.

01:05:15.220 And I've

01:05:15.580 seen enough

01:05:16.100 from hypnosis

01:05:18.500 to know that

01:05:19.860 it's entirely

01:05:20.500 within the

01:05:21.380 conceivable

01:05:22.200 realm.

01:05:24.340 Next thing

01:05:25.060 you need to

01:05:25.400 know is that

01:05:25.880 the leader

01:05:26.460 of Nexfium,

01:05:27.340 this Keith

01:05:27.880 Rainier

01:05:28.420 guy, I

01:05:29.280 saw enough

01:05:29.800 video of

01:05:30.640 him that

01:05:31.020 I would

01:05:31.280 make the

01:05:31.780 following

01:05:32.140 conclusions.

01:05:34.380 One, he

01:05:35.340 is a genius.

01:05:37.060 He is

01:05:37.400 really smart.

01:05:39.300 And that's

01:05:39.940 part of it

01:05:40.540 because people

01:05:41.320 can feel

01:05:41.880 that and

01:05:42.960 then they

01:05:43.360 feel he's

01:05:43.820 smart so he

01:05:44.600 has more

01:05:44.920 credibility so

01:05:45.840 it makes

01:05:46.140 him easier

01:05:47.320 to follow.

01:05:49.040 And he's

01:05:49.700 also really

01:05:50.380 interesting and

01:05:51.320 really provocative

01:05:52.180 and he does

01:05:52.940 both of those

01:05:53.840 things intentionally

01:05:54.740 and he said

01:05:55.980 as much.

01:05:56.820 He said he's

01:05:57.380 interesting and

01:05:58.100 provocative

01:05:58.520 intentionally.

01:05:59.740 Now I've

01:06:00.040 told you

01:06:00.360 that half

01:06:01.720 of persuasion

01:06:02.780 is getting

01:06:03.740 and holding

01:06:04.320 people's

01:06:04.840 attention.

01:06:05.800 So he does

01:06:06.560 that in a

01:06:07.220 Trump-like

01:06:07.860 way.

01:06:08.680 He says

01:06:09.180 and does

01:06:09.580 things that

01:06:10.300 you can't

01:06:10.740 look away

01:06:11.220 and then

01:06:12.180 suddenly he's

01:06:13.080 the important

01:06:13.540 thing in your

01:06:14.040 life and

01:06:14.620 suddenly it's

01:06:15.220 all you're

01:06:15.520 talking about

01:06:16.140 and suddenly

01:06:16.980 he has

01:06:17.260 power.

01:06:18.620 So he

01:06:19.780 does all

01:06:20.380 the getting

01:06:21.300 attention

01:06:21.780 stuff right.

01:06:24.660 Then his

01:06:25.460 EM process,

01:06:26.620 I didn't see

01:06:27.200 enough of it

01:06:27.860 to get the

01:06:28.420 full pattern

01:06:29.000 but it's

01:06:30.080 something like

01:06:30.760 this and

01:06:31.940 he could do

01:06:32.400 it with just

01:06:32.840 a word or

01:06:33.400 two and

01:06:34.180 you could see

01:06:34.660 him breaking

01:06:35.180 people down

01:06:35.860 into tears

01:06:36.660 with just

01:06:37.540 asking a

01:06:38.120 question or

01:06:38.660 two.

01:06:39.680 And when

01:06:39.920 you see

01:06:40.220 it live

01:06:40.640 you can

01:06:41.260 tell that

01:06:41.640 he can do

01:06:42.100 this,

01:06:42.620 it looks

01:06:43.060 repeatable.

01:06:44.420 So for

01:06:44.760 example,

01:06:45.300 somebody would

01:06:45.700 say I

01:06:46.260 have this

01:06:47.700 fear or

01:06:48.500 there's this

01:06:49.000 thing I can't

01:06:49.660 do or

01:06:50.020 whatever.

01:06:50.400 So they've

01:06:50.620 got some

01:06:50.960 block in

01:06:51.620 their life

01:06:52.100 and he

01:06:53.020 would ask

01:06:53.380 questions

01:06:54.080 somewhat like

01:06:55.760 this.

01:06:57.180 And I may

01:06:57.760 have the exact

01:06:58.400 form wrong

01:06:59.040 but it's

01:06:59.340 something like

01:06:59.800 this.

01:07:00.680 What fear

01:07:01.300 would you,

01:07:02.620 what are you

01:07:03.700 afraid you

01:07:04.340 would lose

01:07:04.960 if you did

01:07:06.180 this?

01:07:07.880 What are you

01:07:08.680 afraid you'd

01:07:09.420 lose if you

01:07:10.660 had this

01:07:11.080 success?

01:07:12.420 What are you

01:07:12.960 afraid you'd

01:07:13.620 lose if your

01:07:14.760 relationships were

01:07:15.620 better?

01:07:15.900 And it's

01:07:17.780 a really

01:07:18.260 good question.

01:07:19.700 And you

01:07:19.960 can see

01:07:20.320 people get

01:07:20.880 the question

01:07:21.420 and I

01:07:22.160 think he

01:07:22.460 has a few

01:07:22.840 forms of

01:07:23.460 this question.

01:07:24.820 And what

01:07:25.660 it does is

01:07:26.280 it gives

01:07:26.660 them the

01:07:27.100 fake because.

01:07:29.660 And the

01:07:30.260 fake because

01:07:30.880 is the

01:07:31.860 question allows

01:07:32.920 them to,

01:07:33.820 in a very

01:07:34.520 free-form way,

01:07:36.200 solve their

01:07:36.940 own problem

01:07:37.640 but it's a

01:07:39.000 fake because

01:07:39.740 that they

01:07:40.120 don't know

01:07:40.500 is fake.

01:07:41.340 So in

01:07:41.580 other words,

01:07:42.120 if they

01:07:42.440 immediately have

01:07:43.140 a thought,

01:07:44.080 and this is

01:07:44.620 part of what

01:07:45.060 he prompts

01:07:45.500 them for,

01:07:45.900 a thought of

01:07:46.960 some childhood

01:07:47.640 trauma, and

01:07:49.560 they connect

01:07:50.520 that childhood

01:07:51.240 trauma to

01:07:52.420 what they're

01:07:52.740 trying to

01:07:53.260 accomplish today,

01:07:54.600 an example

01:07:55.180 would be,

01:07:56.180 in my

01:07:56.580 childhood I

01:07:57.340 was abandoned

01:07:57.960 and now I'm

01:07:59.760 having trouble

01:08:00.300 making relationships

01:08:01.380 or sticking with

01:08:02.260 something today.

01:08:03.540 Now that

01:08:03.880 doesn't have to

01:08:04.660 be the actual

01:08:05.520 reason that

01:08:06.880 they're having

01:08:07.380 problem today,

01:08:08.320 and this is

01:08:08.680 the important

01:08:09.100 part.

01:08:09.740 That doesn't

01:08:10.300 have to be

01:08:10.820 real.

01:08:11.880 If in your

01:08:12.660 head you've

01:08:13.440 connected that

01:08:14.200 past trauma,

01:08:15.160 trauma to

01:08:16.000 whatever it

01:08:16.500 is that's

01:08:16.920 giving you

01:08:17.340 fear today

01:08:18.200 and stopping

01:08:18.780 you from

01:08:19.180 being your

01:08:19.600 complete self,

01:08:20.780 if you

01:08:21.620 believe that

01:08:23.380 trauma was

01:08:24.120 the problem,

01:08:25.180 and if you

01:08:25.900 believe that

01:08:27.300 this cult

01:08:27.880 leader,

01:08:28.440 Keith

01:08:28.640 Ranier,

01:08:29.280 in one

01:08:29.780 question,

01:08:30.840 connected that

01:08:32.420 fear from

01:08:33.180 your past to

01:08:34.360 your current

01:08:34.860 problem,

01:08:36.000 you break

01:08:36.540 down crying.

01:08:37.240 because it

01:08:38.940 feels like

01:08:39.840 something amazing

01:08:40.800 just happened

01:08:41.420 to you.

01:08:42.300 You just

01:08:42.820 found the

01:08:44.400 code in

01:08:46.660 the programming

01:08:47.320 of your

01:08:47.680 brain that

01:08:48.820 is all

01:08:49.200 your problem.

01:08:50.320 Yes, it

01:08:51.140 was that

01:08:51.560 trauma.

01:08:52.540 I get it

01:08:53.100 now.

01:08:53.700 That was

01:08:54.200 the trauma

01:08:54.720 that's blocking

01:08:56.320 me today.

01:08:57.860 It doesn't

01:08:58.540 need to be

01:08:59.000 real.

01:09:00.020 It doesn't

01:09:00.460 need to be

01:09:01.020 true.

01:09:01.500 It could be

01:09:01.860 true, but it

01:09:02.820 doesn't need

01:09:03.380 to be.

01:09:03.700 If you

01:09:04.480 convince

01:09:04.900 yourself that

01:09:05.740 you've

01:09:06.020 identified the

01:09:06.920 source of

01:09:07.420 your fear,

01:09:08.260 and you

01:09:08.920 now know

01:09:09.460 that it's

01:09:09.820 irrational,

01:09:10.520 and you

01:09:10.760 talk through

01:09:11.220 it, oh

01:09:11.820 yeah, I

01:09:12.780 don't have

01:09:13.140 to be

01:09:13.420 bothered by

01:09:13.960 my childhood

01:09:14.600 trauma.

01:09:15.500 That's

01:09:16.060 artificial.

01:09:16.980 It's an

01:09:17.500 illusion.

01:09:18.440 Now I

01:09:18.860 can be

01:09:19.220 free.

01:09:21.900 You're

01:09:22.460 free.

01:09:23.940 So when

01:09:26.160 I say

01:09:26.520 that Ranier

01:09:27.460 is a

01:09:28.440 genius,

01:09:29.660 watching him

01:09:30.560 do this in

01:09:31.260 real time,

01:09:32.540 it is

01:09:33.120 hypnosis,

01:09:33.700 I don't

01:09:35.160 know if

01:09:35.460 he's

01:09:35.680 formally

01:09:36.080 studied

01:09:36.520 hypnosis,

01:09:37.400 but it

01:09:37.920 looks like

01:09:38.380 it.

01:09:38.660 It looks

01:09:39.020 like he's

01:09:39.400 at least

01:09:39.640 read up

01:09:40.060 on it,

01:09:40.780 because he's

01:09:41.780 just too

01:09:42.500 skilled.

01:09:44.800 I think

01:09:45.680 that was

01:09:45.980 the real

01:09:46.340 deal.

01:09:47.420 I think

01:09:47.780 that was

01:09:48.100 the real

01:09:48.520 deal.

01:09:49.200 It's based

01:09:49.780 on maybe

01:09:50.280 an illusion,

01:09:51.560 but not

01:09:52.040 the solution.

01:09:53.100 The solution

01:09:53.600 is that people

01:09:54.680 were clear.

01:09:56.200 They didn't

01:09:57.440 have fear.

01:09:59.600 So here's

01:10:00.320 some more

01:10:00.640 of his

01:10:01.080 technique.

01:10:02.420 That's the

01:10:03.040 biggest one.

01:10:04.260 He started

01:10:05.060 gradual.

01:10:05.760 I guess he

01:10:06.100 was doing

01:10:06.460 some small

01:10:07.260 group self-improvement

01:10:08.820 kind of stuff,

01:10:09.820 and his

01:10:11.000 self-improvement

01:10:12.200 worked,

01:10:12.920 like I just

01:10:13.580 described.

01:10:14.500 So the people

01:10:15.120 who experienced

01:10:16.120 his self-improvement

01:10:17.600 said,

01:10:18.620 hey, this is

01:10:19.060 great,

01:10:19.460 and they would

01:10:19.720 tell other

01:10:20.140 people,

01:10:20.880 and the other

01:10:21.280 people would

01:10:21.660 go,

01:10:21.980 and his

01:10:22.280 movement

01:10:22.880 would grow.

01:10:24.040 But as

01:10:24.840 soon as it

01:10:25.260 started growing

01:10:26.080 and it reached

01:10:26.760 a certain

01:10:27.260 size,

01:10:28.160 he gained

01:10:28.720 a new

01:10:29.120 level of

01:10:29.700 power,

01:10:30.160 power.

01:10:30.980 And that

01:10:31.220 has to do

01:10:32.040 with the

01:10:32.400 setting,

01:10:33.060 or setting

01:10:33.500 the table,

01:10:34.140 as we say

01:10:34.580 in persuasion.

01:10:35.740 Trump does

01:10:36.240 this too.

01:10:37.000 The reason

01:10:37.400 that Trump

01:10:37.740 always wears

01:10:38.300 a suit,

01:10:39.400 always wears

01:10:39.860 a tie,

01:10:40.620 unless he's

01:10:41.240 making a

01:10:41.600 big deal

01:10:41.940 about taking

01:10:42.420 it off

01:10:42.780 or something,

01:10:43.160 is that

01:10:44.680 the look,

01:10:45.640 the feel,

01:10:46.780 the fact

01:10:47.620 that if

01:10:48.480 you go to

01:10:48.900 visit him

01:10:49.360 before he

01:10:49.860 was president,

01:10:50.500 you'd be in

01:10:50.900 these opulent

01:10:51.780 billionaire

01:10:52.860 surroundings,

01:10:54.140 you feel that

01:10:55.360 people are

01:10:55.760 credible based

01:10:56.920 on literally

01:10:57.700 the environment.

01:10:59.440 So if you

01:10:59.980 were to go

01:11:00.320 to see a

01:11:00.980 CEO of a

01:11:02.300 corporation,

01:11:03.300 and the

01:11:03.900 CEO was

01:11:04.400 sitting in

01:11:04.800 a cubicle,

01:11:06.040 you'd say

01:11:06.460 to yourself,

01:11:07.100 not so

01:11:07.980 impressive.

01:11:09.200 Maybe,

01:11:09.780 you know,

01:11:10.080 I see why

01:11:10.880 you're doing

01:11:11.280 it,

01:11:11.500 you're trying

01:11:11.780 to be one

01:11:12.180 of the

01:11:12.400 staff,

01:11:13.160 but they'd

01:11:14.220 lose all

01:11:14.660 their power

01:11:15.220 because they

01:11:16.560 would seem

01:11:16.940 too ordinary.

01:11:18.400 But if you

01:11:19.160 went into

01:11:19.520 the top

01:11:20.720 floor of

01:11:21.340 this giant

01:11:21.920 skyscraper,

01:11:23.360 and you

01:11:23.560 have to go

01:11:24.020 through three

01:11:24.600 layers of

01:11:25.460 gatekeepers,

01:11:28.820 and you

01:11:29.220 have to wait

01:11:29.720 20 minutes,

01:11:30.600 and there's

01:11:30.880 a giant

01:11:31.300 door,

01:11:32.000 and the

01:11:32.260 giant door

01:11:32.900 opens,

01:11:33.460 and you

01:11:33.620 go inside,

01:11:34.460 and it's

01:11:35.320 golden and

01:11:36.080 opulent,

01:11:37.080 what do you

01:11:37.500 think of the

01:11:37.940 person?

01:11:39.160 Immediately,

01:11:39.900 you think that

01:11:40.320 person has

01:11:40.820 magical powers

01:11:41.760 because somehow

01:11:43.020 they got in

01:11:43.680 this situation

01:11:44.380 and you

01:11:44.780 didn't.

01:11:45.980 So after

01:11:47.060 Rainier was

01:11:48.080 successful,

01:11:48.920 I guess he

01:11:49.880 had a

01:11:50.100 building,

01:11:50.800 a compound

01:11:51.360 where a

01:11:51.780 number of

01:11:52.080 them stayed,

01:11:52.600 but not

01:11:52.860 all of them,

01:11:53.900 and the

01:11:55.560 other people

01:11:56.220 would do

01:11:56.700 the recruiting.

01:11:58.040 So they

01:11:58.400 would find

01:11:58.840 somebody and

01:11:59.420 they would

01:11:59.620 bring him

01:11:59.940 in and

01:12:00.140 they'd say,

01:12:00.480 oh,

01:12:00.760 Keith,

01:12:01.320 you've

01:12:01.720 got to be

01:12:02.060 Keith.

01:12:02.820 Keith is

01:12:03.280 amazing.

01:12:04.420 He's

01:12:04.660 like incredible.

01:12:06.380 And then you

01:12:07.000 see all the

01:12:07.460 people that he's

01:12:08.280 brought in,

01:12:08.740 and you say,

01:12:09.040 wow,

01:12:09.780 I haven't even

01:12:10.460 met Keith yet,

01:12:11.160 but look at

01:12:11.520 all this stuff,

01:12:12.180 all these

01:12:12.460 people,

01:12:12.900 the way they

01:12:13.260 talk,

01:12:13.920 there's so

01:12:14.320 many of

01:12:14.720 them,

01:12:14.960 and he's

01:12:15.160 growing,

01:12:15.680 and he's

01:12:15.860 making money,

01:12:16.500 and he's

01:12:16.700 building,

01:12:17.580 and they're

01:12:17.880 playing volleyball,

01:12:18.780 and they're

01:12:18.940 doing cool

01:12:19.420 things,

01:12:19.820 and they're

01:12:20.040 all so

01:12:20.340 happy.

01:12:21.260 I've got to

01:12:21.860 meet this

01:12:22.260 Keith.

01:12:23.260 So by the

01:12:23.960 time they

01:12:24.360 met him,

01:12:25.260 they had

01:12:25.680 been primed,

01:12:27.320 so that the

01:12:28.280 people who

01:12:28.920 came in after

01:12:29.760 he had gained

01:12:30.440 some status,

01:12:32.880 they were

01:12:33.380 easier to

01:12:35.280 hypnotize.

01:12:36.220 Yes, he

01:12:36.600 also had one

01:12:37.340 celebrity,

01:12:38.620 and he also

01:12:39.360 had a number of

01:12:40.240 women who

01:12:40.760 had leadership

01:12:41.320 positions,

01:12:42.580 and women

01:12:43.260 can talk

01:12:44.000 men into

01:12:45.100 anything,

01:12:45.980 you may have

01:12:47.100 noticed,

01:12:47.880 and women

01:12:48.380 can talk

01:12:48.840 women into

01:12:49.340 things better

01:12:50.260 than men

01:12:50.820 can talk

01:12:51.260 women into

01:12:51.740 things.

01:12:52.400 So he had

01:12:52.900 these lieutenants,

01:12:54.380 mostly women,

01:12:55.960 and one man

01:12:57.220 who described

01:12:58.440 himself as

01:12:59.100 feminine,

01:12:59.740 interestingly,

01:13:00.620 and they

01:13:01.560 became the

01:13:02.360 salespeople,

01:13:03.460 because it was

01:13:04.460 more effective

01:13:05.020 that way.

01:13:05.720 He also

01:13:06.240 recruited a

01:13:06.960 billionaire,

01:13:07.620 or at least

01:13:08.040 one billionaire,

01:13:08.840 maybe more,

01:13:09.400 so he had

01:13:10.400 finances and

01:13:11.600 resources and

01:13:12.420 connections to

01:13:13.100 other billionaires

01:13:13.740 and stuff.

01:13:14.680 So it started

01:13:15.180 small and got

01:13:16.000 gradual, and

01:13:16.940 the gradual part

01:13:18.200 of it is what's

01:13:19.120 powerful, because

01:13:20.280 people would

01:13:20.820 gain, if you

01:13:23.300 gradually ease

01:13:24.860 somebody into

01:13:25.500 something, sort

01:13:26.720 of like boiling

01:13:27.720 the frog, they

01:13:28.580 don't notice it

01:13:29.320 if it's gradual,

01:13:30.860 and that's

01:13:31.640 actually a

01:13:32.100 technique.

01:13:33.140 A salesperson

01:13:34.000 will do a

01:13:34.540 technique where

01:13:35.620 they'll get you

01:13:36.180 to do something

01:13:36.860 small, and

01:13:38.340 you'd say,

01:13:38.980 can you hand

01:13:39.900 me that?

01:13:40.320 Oh, sure.

01:13:40.940 Yeah, yeah.

01:13:41.560 Oh, can you

01:13:42.320 get back to me

01:13:44.000 with that

01:13:44.420 information you

01:13:45.160 were talking

01:13:45.540 about?

01:13:46.420 Yeah, sure.

01:13:47.780 I'll just send

01:13:48.940 you a link.

01:13:50.120 So a salesperson

01:13:51.180 asks the person

01:13:52.200 they're trying to

01:13:52.740 sell to, to do

01:13:54.040 small things, and

01:13:55.700 if you can get

01:13:56.220 that person to

01:13:56.860 do any small

01:13:57.880 things, it

01:13:59.040 primes them for

01:13:59.920 larger requests.

01:14:01.500 So the cult was

01:14:03.140 nothing but that.

01:14:04.220 It was a whole

01:14:04.880 bunch of small

01:14:05.640 things that people

01:14:06.440 were being asked

01:14:07.080 to do, reasonable,

01:14:08.840 and it made

01:14:09.420 them happier.

01:14:10.600 Why wouldn't

01:14:11.140 you do a small

01:14:11.820 thing that makes

01:14:12.400 you happier?

01:14:13.420 And then the

01:14:14.380 ask would get

01:14:15.780 gradually bigger

01:14:16.880 until it

01:14:18.480 ended when

01:14:19.400 a subgroup

01:14:25.100 of the cult,

01:14:25.940 I guess there

01:14:26.340 were several

01:14:26.820 subgroups that

01:14:27.740 people formed

01:14:28.440 to do their

01:14:29.100 own thing, and

01:14:30.320 one of the

01:14:30.700 subgroups was

01:14:31.480 a dominant

01:14:32.140 submission subgroup

01:14:33.900 in which they

01:14:34.940 were organizing

01:14:36.300 as slaves, as

01:14:37.460 masters, with a

01:14:38.960 hierarchy, and

01:14:40.420 even that was

01:14:42.000 working, that

01:14:43.160 was even, people

01:14:44.600 were okay with

01:14:45.340 that, so they

01:14:46.340 got talked into

01:14:47.100 being slaves to

01:14:48.620 other masters

01:14:49.500 within the

01:14:50.120 organization, but

01:14:51.580 then one of the

01:14:52.940 women came up

01:14:53.660 with the idea of

01:14:54.480 branding the

01:14:55.400 other women with

01:14:56.860 the initials of

01:14:57.700 Keith Rainier, but

01:14:59.100 not telling people

01:15:00.140 that it was Keith

01:15:01.640 Rainier's initials,

01:15:02.800 because they were

01:15:04.240 sort of combined

01:15:05.080 so you couldn't

01:15:05.600 tell easily, and

01:15:07.160 they actually got

01:15:08.760 literally branded,

01:15:10.960 you know, hugely

01:15:11.780 painful.

01:15:13.520 Now, you might

01:15:14.960 say to yourself,

01:15:15.800 Scott, if you say

01:15:18.100 you're going to

01:15:18.540 brand me, that

01:15:19.780 would be the time

01:15:20.480 I quit the cult,

01:15:21.920 but they didn't.

01:15:24.200 Why?

01:15:25.440 How can you get

01:15:26.440 people who are

01:15:27.980 seemingly intelligent,

01:15:29.460 successful people,

01:15:30.360 how can you get

01:15:31.720 them to agree to

01:15:33.540 be branded?

01:15:34.640 It gets better.

01:15:36.660 Most, if not, I

01:15:37.840 think some, if not

01:15:39.160 all, of the women

01:15:39.840 who got branded, and

01:15:42.120 again, it wasn't the

01:15:42.960 whole cult getting

01:15:43.780 branded, it was only

01:15:44.620 this subgroup, some

01:15:47.080 of them were

01:15:47.500 married and didn't

01:15:49.360 ask their husband

01:15:50.300 about it before they

01:15:51.260 got branded, and the

01:15:52.760 brand was sort of

01:15:53.680 down in the crotch

01:15:54.540 area.

01:15:57.280 I mean, just

01:15:58.000 imagine how

01:15:59.620 impossible this is

01:16:00.920 to imagine that

01:16:01.700 you could be in

01:16:02.280 that position, and

01:16:03.520 you would have

01:16:03.940 made those same

01:16:04.640 choices.

01:16:06.120 But, the first

01:16:07.960 thing you need to

01:16:08.500 know is that you

01:16:09.280 wouldn't get in the

01:16:10.040 cult unless you

01:16:11.100 were in the small

01:16:12.140 group of people who

01:16:13.080 could be convinced

01:16:13.820 of anything.

01:16:15.660 Right?

01:16:16.460 So part of the

01:16:17.500 trick that a

01:16:19.480 stage hypnotist

01:16:20.480 does is that it

01:16:21.980 looks like people

01:16:23.020 are being brainwashed

01:16:24.520 right on stage, but

01:16:26.120 the trick is that

01:16:27.100 80% of people

01:16:28.100 would not do

01:16:28.840 that, but it's

01:16:30.140 a big crowd

01:16:30.880 watching the

01:16:31.740 show, so the

01:16:32.720 hypnotist learns

01:16:33.560 how to pick out

01:16:34.200 the 20%, and

01:16:35.700 then you win

01:16:36.240 them out further

01:16:37.160 until you've

01:16:38.060 got the few

01:16:38.720 people who

01:16:40.000 don't mind

01:16:40.580 doing weird

01:16:41.200 things in front

01:16:41.820 of a crowd.

01:16:43.660 So you say

01:16:44.480 to yourself, I

01:16:45.120 wouldn't do

01:16:45.540 that, so there

01:16:46.940 must be something

01:16:47.560 profound going

01:16:48.480 on here, but

01:16:49.420 really it's a

01:16:49.980 trick because it's

01:16:51.080 somebody who

01:16:51.540 doesn't mind.

01:16:52.920 They are

01:16:53.360 hypnotized also,

01:16:55.140 but it's no big

01:16:56.080 deal to them.

01:16:56.600 So when you

01:16:58.520 look at a

01:16:58.940 cult, the

01:17:00.400 wrong way to

01:17:01.300 look at it is

01:17:01.920 normal people

01:17:03.440 wouldn't do

01:17:04.000 this, I

01:17:04.580 wouldn't do

01:17:05.000 this, so I

01:17:06.240 don't understand

01:17:06.840 this.

01:17:07.840 What you have to

01:17:08.440 understand is they

01:17:09.200 wouldn't be in a

01:17:09.840 cult in the first

01:17:10.960 place unless they

01:17:12.620 were that small

01:17:13.280 group of people

01:17:14.060 who could be

01:17:15.280 talked into just

01:17:17.180 about anything.

01:17:18.700 Now, I'm not

01:17:21.680 done with the

01:17:22.300 series because I

01:17:23.100 guess they got to

01:17:23.680 the point where

01:17:24.180 the cult got

01:17:25.140 busted and then

01:17:26.600 it's going to

01:17:26.860 be a legal

01:17:27.340 process, but

01:17:28.440 weirdly, I

01:17:29.160 didn't see

01:17:29.540 anything illegal

01:17:30.500 in the entire

01:17:32.240 episode up till

01:17:33.240 now.

01:17:34.000 There were things

01:17:34.640 that were lies

01:17:35.560 because the

01:17:36.620 people didn't

01:17:37.080 know they were

01:17:37.500 getting, they

01:17:38.420 didn't know that

01:17:39.080 Keith Raniere was

01:17:40.060 actually the head

01:17:40.700 of this dominant

01:17:41.920 submissive branding

01:17:43.120 thing because he

01:17:44.240 kept it a secret

01:17:45.020 and people thought it

01:17:46.480 was being run by a

01:17:47.320 woman in the

01:17:48.340 organization.

01:17:49.580 So that part was

01:17:50.660 devious and

01:17:51.600 horrible and

01:17:52.440 everything he did

01:17:53.060 was terrible, but

01:17:54.880 100% of what the

01:17:56.420 people did was

01:17:58.020 voluntary.

01:18:00.220 It was all

01:18:00.880 voluntary.

01:18:02.040 And the people

01:18:03.260 who got the

01:18:03.860 brands, what do

01:18:04.680 you think they

01:18:05.100 thought immediately

01:18:06.540 after getting the

01:18:07.600 brand?

01:18:08.500 What do you think

01:18:09.180 their mental

01:18:10.220 process was?

01:18:11.880 If I've taught

01:18:12.760 you anything, you

01:18:14.400 should say this,

01:18:16.020 cognitive dissonance.

01:18:18.160 Because if somebody,

01:18:19.460 if you join an

01:18:20.140 organization and you

01:18:21.220 let them brand

01:18:22.220 you, what's

01:18:24.560 that do to your

01:18:25.020 brain?

01:18:26.320 Because your

01:18:26.920 brain has to

01:18:27.540 explain this to

01:18:28.400 yourself.

01:18:29.300 That's how

01:18:29.660 cognitive dissonance

01:18:30.760 happens.

01:18:31.400 If you can't

01:18:32.280 explain it to

01:18:33.020 yourself, you

01:18:34.620 are triggered into

01:18:35.600 cognitive dissonance

01:18:36.820 where you make up

01:18:37.940 some weird world

01:18:39.380 to make it make

01:18:40.680 sense.

01:18:41.720 Now since it

01:18:42.320 doesn't make sense

01:18:43.200 on the logical

01:18:43.980 world, what

01:18:45.160 happens is as soon

01:18:46.120 as you're branded

01:18:46.780 and the pain wears

01:18:48.400 off, you imagine

01:18:49.880 it was awesome and

01:18:51.660 that it was all

01:18:52.160 good and you're

01:18:53.240 glad it happened

01:18:54.040 because then you

01:18:55.180 can have a story

01:18:55.920 that doesn't make

01:18:56.680 you look like

01:18:57.480 you're crazy.

01:18:58.700 Oh yeah, you

01:18:59.840 know, I

01:19:00.860 conquered my

01:19:01.580 fear, I

01:19:03.300 showed my

01:19:03.900 commitment, yeah

01:19:05.540 it's all good,

01:19:06.200 I'm certainly

01:19:06.720 glad I made that

01:19:07.520 choice.

01:19:09.060 And a little

01:19:11.220 bit of that

01:19:11.620 happened.

01:19:12.060 The people who

01:19:12.520 had been branded,

01:19:13.940 at least initially,

01:19:15.720 actually had a

01:19:16.420 positive experience,

01:19:18.220 if you can believe

01:19:19.300 that, I mean,

01:19:19.940 after the pain

01:19:20.620 wore off, it

01:19:21.180 was a positive

01:19:21.700 experience.

01:19:22.680 Now of course

01:19:23.160 they got

01:19:23.920 unhypnotized and

01:19:25.060 that became the

01:19:25.720 problem.

01:19:28.720 The other thing

01:19:29.760 that this cult

01:19:31.800 was teaching,

01:19:32.780 and this came

01:19:33.280 toward the end,

01:19:34.460 so I think he

01:19:35.320 started out with

01:19:36.080 innocent self-help

01:19:37.160 stuff and then

01:19:37.700 got into more

01:19:39.060 provocative,

01:19:39.780 dangerous stuff,

01:19:40.560 and they showed

01:19:41.060 the actual video

01:19:41.980 of Keith Rainier

01:19:43.300 explaining to his

01:19:45.800 cult members the

01:19:46.840 following.

01:19:47.240 Now this is him

01:19:49.040 talking, not me,

01:19:50.080 okay?

01:19:50.920 So don't blame me,

01:19:52.020 I'm just the

01:19:52.840 messenger.

01:19:54.060 I know you're

01:19:54.980 going to want to

01:19:55.500 blame me for this,

01:19:57.020 you can't.

01:19:58.340 Nothing I say next

01:19:59.800 is my opinion,

01:20:01.780 this is just the

01:20:02.740 cult leader, okay?

01:20:03.780 Are we clear on

01:20:04.440 that?

01:20:04.840 It's not coming

01:20:05.500 from me.

01:20:06.920 He said that the

01:20:08.940 reason that women

01:20:09.920 are unhappy is

01:20:11.940 because they get

01:20:13.740 away with too

01:20:14.420 much because they're

01:20:15.440 women, and it

01:20:16.740 starts when they're

01:20:17.540 young.

01:20:18.160 Again, this isn't

01:20:18.860 me.

01:20:19.700 I'm not saying

01:20:20.520 this.

01:20:21.240 This is somebody

01:20:22.080 else.

01:20:23.300 Keith Rainier.

01:20:24.620 And he said that

01:20:25.620 women are unhappy

01:20:26.560 because they don't

01:20:27.240 have essentially

01:20:28.280 controls on their

01:20:29.740 behavior, and that

01:20:31.040 to be happy you

01:20:31.800 need boundaries.

01:20:33.280 Now, I buy the

01:20:34.500 part about people

01:20:35.800 need boundaries to

01:20:36.740 be happy.

01:20:37.300 There's lots of

01:20:37.920 evidence of that.

01:20:40.140 But where he took

01:20:41.380 this was that the

01:20:42.620 men need to be the

01:20:43.620 protectors and

01:20:44.600 essentially need to

01:20:45.500 be in charge,

01:20:46.620 although his

01:20:47.640 dominant and

01:20:48.500 submission thing

01:20:49.200 that he built was

01:20:50.360 mostly women in

01:20:51.320 charge of other

01:20:51.880 women.

01:20:52.760 So I guess it

01:20:53.400 didn't matter who's

01:20:54.040 in charge as long

01:20:55.000 as somebody was in

01:20:55.860 charge and somebody

01:20:57.440 was being told what

01:20:58.480 to do.

01:20:59.740 And if the men

01:21:01.160 were, and I guess

01:21:02.980 he said that the

01:21:03.600 men were miserable,

01:21:04.720 again, this is his

01:21:05.600 opinion, not mine,

01:21:07.040 he said the men

01:21:07.760 were miserable

01:21:08.400 since early

01:21:09.420 childhood because

01:21:10.760 they're treated as

01:21:12.160 second-class

01:21:12.940 kids, which is

01:21:14.840 true.

01:21:16.060 So even though

01:21:16.960 boys have lots of

01:21:17.880 advantages in life

01:21:18.980 as well as men,

01:21:20.580 the feeling that

01:21:21.920 boys have when

01:21:23.100 they're young is

01:21:24.240 that girls are

01:21:24.920 getting away with

01:21:25.520 murder, and

01:21:26.680 they're not.

01:21:28.300 Right?

01:21:29.100 You probably have

01:21:30.000 that feeling if

01:21:30.640 you're a boy.

01:21:32.060 Now, I'm not

01:21:32.740 saying that's

01:21:34.000 proper, right, or

01:21:35.440 anything like that.

01:21:36.180 I'm just saying

01:21:36.680 that that's his

01:21:37.840 claim, that boys

01:21:39.860 feel like they're

01:21:41.400 angry and they

01:21:42.180 hate women all

01:21:43.420 their life, according

01:21:44.220 to Keith Rainier,

01:21:45.260 because they think

01:21:46.500 women are getting

01:21:47.080 away with too

01:21:47.620 much, and then

01:21:48.200 later in life,

01:21:49.300 women can just

01:21:50.100 cry and act

01:21:50.880 irrational, and

01:21:51.680 men will just

01:21:53.020 say, whatever you

01:21:53.600 want, whatever you

01:21:54.200 want, because they've

01:21:55.600 been trained from

01:21:56.420 early childhood to

01:21:57.620 give women what

01:21:58.360 they want and not

01:21:59.820 put controls on

01:22:01.640 them.

01:22:02.920 Again, if you're

01:22:03.920 just joining, none

01:22:05.060 of this is my

01:22:05.700 opinion, just

01:22:07.160 passing it along.

01:22:09.120 But that was about

01:22:10.000 the time that the

01:22:10.820 cult got busted, so

01:22:12.500 we don't know too

01:22:13.940 much about that.

01:22:15.140 All right.

01:22:16.780 That, I'm looking

01:22:19.360 at your comments,

01:22:20.460 somebody says, it's

01:22:21.360 not far off.

01:22:22.760 Somebody says, that

01:22:23.720 is true.

01:22:25.160 So see how many

01:22:26.200 of you would have

01:22:27.040 agreed with the

01:22:28.260 cult leader, right?

01:22:31.640 Somebody says, wow,

01:22:32.980 do boys think that?

01:22:34.200 Well, let me ask

01:22:34.740 this.

01:22:35.780 Let me ask the men

01:22:37.200 who are here.

01:22:37.880 here, when you

01:22:39.140 were a boy, did

01:22:41.320 you think that

01:22:41.960 women were getting

01:22:43.500 away with murder

01:22:44.420 because, not

01:22:45.780 women, but girls,

01:22:46.820 did you think that

01:22:47.500 girls were getting

01:22:48.280 away with more

01:22:49.040 than you could

01:22:49.660 because they were

01:22:51.080 girls?

01:22:52.240 Because you were

01:22:53.080 taught to open

01:22:53.900 doors for girls?

01:22:55.380 You were taught

01:22:56.140 that if they hit

01:22:57.000 you, that's fine,

01:22:58.200 but if you hit

01:22:58.860 them, you're going

01:22:59.920 to jail.

01:23:01.100 And all of that

01:23:02.520 makes sense, right?

01:23:04.520 As an adult, you

01:23:06.220 say to yourself, of

01:23:07.180 course it makes

01:23:07.880 sense that if a

01:23:08.940 woman hits me, it

01:23:09.720 doesn't hurt me, but

01:23:10.980 if I hit her, I

01:23:12.140 could hurt her, so

01:23:13.040 yeah, these are not

01:23:14.820 supposed to be

01:23:15.380 equal, right?

01:23:16.440 So your adult brain

01:23:17.440 can process this.

01:23:19.660 But can a child, can

01:23:22.120 an eight-year-old

01:23:23.120 boy understand that

01:23:24.700 there's a reason that

01:23:26.380 he can be hit, but

01:23:27.700 he can't hit back?

01:23:29.300 Not so easily.

01:23:30.760 If you're eight

01:23:31.440 years old, not so

01:23:32.360 easily.

01:23:32.600 So look at the

01:23:33.840 comments.

01:23:34.660 You're saying some

01:23:35.200 no's, you're saying

01:23:35.980 some yeses, no, no,

01:23:38.020 no, you're saying

01:23:38.620 absolutely, yes, I'm

01:23:40.220 fine with it, yes,

01:23:42.240 because they cry, yes,

01:23:44.800 that's not an opinion,

01:23:45.780 it's fact.

01:23:46.900 So here's my point

01:23:47.840 about Keith Rainier.

01:23:50.320 He is a genius.

01:23:52.640 I'm quite certain of

01:23:54.180 that.

01:23:54.900 And his insights

01:23:55.960 about humans is

01:23:58.300 really, really good.

01:24:00.720 I mean, kind of

01:24:01.660 crazy good.

01:24:02.320 And his understanding

01:24:03.760 of how to, you

01:24:04.780 know, create this

01:24:05.960 situation.

01:24:07.180 But I, I would

01:24:08.880 imagine that what

01:24:09.820 happened was, you

01:24:11.760 know, how power

01:24:12.440 corrupts.

01:24:13.380 When he reached a

01:24:14.640 certain amount of

01:24:15.280 power, he became

01:24:16.460 completely corrupt.

01:24:18.180 And that's probably

01:24:18.780 what happened.

01:24:21.440 Somebody says, as a

01:24:22.600 girl, I thought the

01:24:23.480 boys got away with

01:24:24.620 everything.

01:24:25.300 That may be true.

01:24:27.140 That may be true.

01:24:28.240 But it probably

01:24:29.460 didn't damage you.

01:24:31.220 Did it?

01:24:32.340 Maybe it did.

01:24:34.800 So I think that

01:24:35.900 Rainier certainly

01:24:38.540 took things in a

01:24:40.000 bad place.

01:24:41.120 No doubt about

01:24:41.820 that.

01:24:42.400 But he had some

01:24:43.200 insights that I

01:24:45.080 wish, I wish he

01:24:46.880 had been a, let's

01:24:49.500 say, a more

01:24:50.640 positive force for

01:24:52.280 the world.

01:24:52.660 because he

01:24:53.020 actually had some

01:24:53.720 good stuff.

01:24:54.700 It was just

01:24:55.180 buried by the

01:24:55.800 evil stuff.

01:24:56.720 So it's dead

01:24:58.580 forever, I think.

01:25:00.500 All right.

01:25:01.120 That's it for now.

01:25:02.480 I will talk to you

01:25:03.600 tomorrow.

01:25:04.540 All right.

01:25:10.960 Thank you for all

01:25:12.560 of your super

01:25:13.340 chats.

01:25:13.940 I appreciate it.

01:25:14.760 I try to read

01:25:15.300 them as they go

01:25:15.900 by, but I can't

01:25:16.940 always speak to

01:25:17.780 them.

01:25:18.900 And do you have

01:25:21.900 more on Black

01:25:23.700 Lives Matter?

01:25:24.320 No, that's it for

01:25:25.120 today.

01:25:27.460 And I will talk

01:25:28.400 to you tomorrow.

Real Coffee with Scott Adams - October 17, 2020

Episode 1157 Scott Adams： Q＊NON, NXIVM, and BLM Cults, Fake Polls, Ridiculous Claims and Trump Optimism

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