Episode 1227 Scott Adams: The Legislation no one Read, The Mysteriously Good Coronavirus Outcomes in China
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Join me for the unparalleled pleasure of the day as we talk about fake news, vaccines, and the mysterious disappearance of millions of people in Wuhan, China. Plus, a conspiracy theory about a deadly virus that could have wiped out the entire world.
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All right. Let's talk about the news. I wonder if there were, if there's any way to calculate
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how many people the fake news kills. Because in theory, you could do that, right? So take the
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vaccine situation. So you've got a very high number of African Americans who say they don't want to get
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the vaccination. And you have to think that at least some of that is because the fake news
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said that Trump was supporting neo-Nazis in Charlottesville, also known as the find people
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hoax because, in fact, he said the opposite of what was reported, and also the drinking bleach
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hoax. Imagine if those two stories didn't exist, plus, you know, the whole rest of the stories that
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Trump's a monster, racist, and anti-science. Imagine if the fake news had not been saying for four years
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that Trump was not only a racist by anti-science. What would be the difference in the vaccination rate
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of black Americans? Because I feel like it would be something, right? And I feel as if you could
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probably come up with an estimate of like, well, you know, we got 60 percent, but it would have been
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70 percent. So 10 percent didn't get vaccinated. And then you could just sort of work the math and
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see how many people they killed. Am I wrong? Wouldn't you be able to do that math and actually
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estimate how many people he literally killed? Now, the Tuskegee story, ask yourself this. Now,
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everybody knows the Tuskegee horrible story about black airmen who were, let's see, was it
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intentionally infected, right? And that story, I don't believe, would have necessarily been in the
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news if Obama were president. Because if Obama were president, the story would be, hey, everybody,
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Obama's got a vaccination. You're going to like it. I think it would have been fine. And the black
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citizens of this country probably would have said something along the lines of, all right, I'll give it
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a chance. But I do believe that the fake news has an actual death count at this point that would be
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hard to dispute. Here's my biggest question in the world right now. How does China have no infections,
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especially in Wuhan? How do you have international travel? Or is this the part I have wrong?
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Did China stop all international travel? At the moment? Like currently, is there no travel
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from outside the country into China? Because there has to be, right? And how in the world,
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if there's still international travel in China, how is it they don't have an infection problem
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during a pandemic? Doesn't it tell you that there's something really big that we don't know
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about this story? Now, you might say to yourself, yeah, Scott, what you don't know is that they,
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you know, there's some conspiracy theory story, about 20 million cell phones going dead around the time
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that Wuhan was being locked down. The implication being that they just, you know, killed 20 million
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people to stop the virus? Well, suppose they did. You know, I'm not, I don't think they did, but suppose
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they did. Or suppose that their extreme lockdown in Wuhan was like really, really extreme, like you
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heard. They were boarding people in there, you know, boarding up doorways and stuff. Suppose all of
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that happened. Let's say they murdered 20 million people. I don't think they did, but let's just say they
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did. And they boarded people and they, it was extreme, extreme, extreme lockdown. And let's say
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it worked because why wouldn't it really? I mean, it should work, right? If you nailed everybody in
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their homes for three weeks, there would be no virus. But here's the problem. Don't they still have
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international travel? Am I wrong about that? Now, I don't think that they have quite the testing that
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they could thoroughly test people getting on and off planes. So there's something else going on,
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right? Am I wrong about that? How in the world can you explain anybody controlling the virus when
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there's still international travel? How is that possible? It's only possible if there's some
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gigantic variable that we don't know about. Somebody's saying it's because the survival rate is high,
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so maybe they just don't notice. I don't think so. I think the hospitals would be impacted. We'd
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probably know by now. So you have to sort of assume that there's something bad going on, not just
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something you don't know about. But at this point, it almost seems obvious that either the virus
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doesn't have as much effect on Chinese ethnic people, or they have a treatment that works well
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and they're not sharing, which I think would be the highest probability. My guess is that they're
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using some other kind of treatment in China, and we just don't know about it. That's my guess.
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Here's an example of good persuasion in the form of good framing from Josh Hawley in Congress.
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And I just want to tell you the way he framed a topic. It was better than I've seen before. So he
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was talking about the allegations of election fraud. And most people, when they talk about election fraud,
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they say, the election was stolen. Look at my numbers. You know, lots of people voted for Trump
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and sizes of the crowds, etc. Now, you've noticed that that attack has not been extra persuasive,
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right? Everybody who says the election was stolen is met by some Democrat who says,
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there's no proof. That's it, right? The election was stolen. There's no proof. That's kind of the end
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of the conversation, isn't it? So Josh Hawley does not fall into that bad framing that is just a clear
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dead end. And he says this instead. I'm paraphrasing, but it'll get you the idea. He talks about how after
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four years of the Russia collusion hoax, that it's sort of rich that the Democrats would be
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saying that the Republicans should just accept that the election as legitimate after experiencing four
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years of the other side doing nothing like that, and it all turning into a hoax. But here's how
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Hawley, I can never pronounce his name. Here's how he sums it up. Instead of saying that election was
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stolen, he says, that Republicans are being told their concerns about the election don't matter.
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Isn't that good? Republicans are being told their concerns about the election don't matter.
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That's really strong. Because it's true. Even if you are a Democrat, and even if you think there was
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nothing wrong with the election, and you just want to move on, even if you think the Republicans are
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just crazy. It is nonetheless true, and unambiguously true, that Republicans are told their concerns about
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the election don't matter. Don't matter. Now, it would be one thing to say that the election was stolen or
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not stolen. But we don't even get to that point. We don't even get to determine whether there's any
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evidence or not, because things that were tried to get into court were rejected for standing and
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doctrinal latches and other bullshit. So we've never really had a hearing in which the evidence was
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presented with some, you know, some opportunity for counter evidence and debate. So it's never really
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happened. So since we've never had a forum in which the evidence that is, you know, still being collected
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could be presented, along with the people who have the counter evidence, never been presented.
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Wouldn't you say that perfectly, what perfectly describes the situation is that Republicans are being
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told that their concerns about the election don't matter? That's exactly what's happening. It's really
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strong persuasion to say it that way. Well, Rasmussen is saying that both the legacy media and Congress
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have approval levels below 20 percent, to which I said, below 20 percent? Are you telling me that Congress
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and the media are higher than 10 percent? Doesn't that seem wrong? Have you met anybody who approves of
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the media or Congress? Ever? If you go into a, how about this holiday season, try this experiment.
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Go around to each of your relatives that you're not supposed to be seeing because you're socially
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distancing and ask them one at a time so the others can't hear it. So what do you think of the job of
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Congress? See how many of your relatives, apparently there are 20 percent of people who will say, yeah,
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they're doing a good job. See if you can get even one of your relatives to say, you know, all things
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being equal, if I'm being fair, yeah, I think they're, you know, I think they're criticized unfairly.
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I think they're doing a pretty good job. See if you can get one relative to say that. Do you believe
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that nearly 20 percent of people said, yeah, Congress is pretty good? And by the way, the media is pretty
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accurate. I don't know about that. You might get it from the media, but I don't think anybody
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is going to say they like Congress. There's this coronavirus variant now in the UK and maybe other
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places. It's been there for a long time. And the question is whether we should close travel. And I
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guess Canada is closing travel from Great Britain and the United States is not. Now, which of those
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decisions sounds better to you? We don't quite know exactly if this is a big new threat because maybe
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the vaccines work the same. They say it might be more virulent or, you know, more transmissible.
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That would be horrible. But I don't think we'd know that. It feels like it's too early to know if
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it's more transmissible. But what should we do about it? Should we do what Canada did and say, well,
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we don't know. Could be bad. Maybe it's not. But we'll just be careful in closed travel. Or do you say like
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we did, apparently, well, we don't see the reason to close yet. So not yet. Which one of those two
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strategies is smart? And which one is really dumb? You should know the answer to this question. The smart
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one is to shut it down because you don't know how big the risk is. It's kind of a no-brainer. Are you
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telling me that there's somebody in the UK who just absolutely needs to travel to the United States?
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Now, if we have Americans who are trying to get home, there's probably a testing regimen that they
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can do. And, you know, until they have the result, they have to stay in a room or something. So, you know,
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there might be some trouble getting people back. And then, of course, there's also the problem
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that the other countries that have not closed travel, the UK people could just fly to Germany
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and then fly here or something like that. So you don't get them all. But you get a lot of them.
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It feels like it's obvious that closing travel from the UK, at least until we know more.
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It just seems obvious. You may remember I was among the first to call for a closing travel to China
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about a week before the president did. And that was right. Why would I be wrong this time?
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All right. So we got this giant relief package for the coronavirus.
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And it's 2.3 trillion. And it looks like it's over 5,000 pages. And even AOC, apparently AOC is on the
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same team with everybody. She said that members of Congress have not read this bill. It's over 5,000
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pages, arrived at 2 p.m. today. And we're told to expect a vote on it in two hours. So Congress got two
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hours for every member of Congress to read a 5,000-page document. And what AOC says is that this
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isn't governance. It's hostage-taking, which is a pretty good analogy, as analogies go. And when I
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tweeted this, people went into the comments and they said, yeah, but you voted for it. If you don't
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like it, why'd you vote for it, AOC? You're complaining about it, but then you voted for it.
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I'm seeing it in the comments. What does hostage situation mean to you? She called it a hostage
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situation. Do you let the kidnappers kill the hostage? Is that your plan? Because I feel as though
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if you have the money, depending on the situation, you might want to pay the ransom and get your hostage
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back. I don't feel that AOC was being hypocritical, saying it's a hostage situation, and then treating
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it like a hostage situation, which is she had to vote for it because she had no choice. Now, remember
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I was telling you that the Republic is dead because we, at the very least, we can't be sure that the
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will of the people was translated into the outcome. You know, it could be. It's possible that the election
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was fair enough that the actual outcome was represented in the, you know, in the vote. But
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we don't know, and it seems highly unlikely that it was because there are so many ways it could have
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been gamed and so many people want to do it. But on top of having no idea if we're voting for our
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candidates or not, you actually don't even know if you vote made any difference. On top of that,
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once they're in office, they create legislation that even they don't read. So what you want to have
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is a Republic, right? And the Republic would be where you elect your representatives and they go make
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decisions on your behalf. Now, if that worked, you know, if that's what we were actually observing,
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I'd say to myself, on paper, on paper, that looks pretty good. Looks pretty good. Because we elect
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smart people, and they could probably make better decisions than we can. You know, they're checking in
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with us, of course. They're not ignoring the public. They're just taking the leadership. But what does it
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mean to have elected your smart representatives and give them no opportunity to look at the things
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they're voting for, the big things, right? That's not even close to a Republic. Because first of all,
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we don't know if we elected these people. And second of all, they didn't do anything like representing us.
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They didn't do anything like that. Nor did they even have the option. All they had was the option
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of a hostage situation. That's it. So we have never been further from something that looked like a,
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you know, democratic, republic, will of the people. We are a million miles from that. There's just
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nothing like representative democracy. And so, it looks like Congressman Matt Gaetz is going to join
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other Republicans in challenging the electoral college. Now, as I understand it, if you get at least
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one senator, you force a debate. Now, forcing a debate doesn't mean the outcome will change. It
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just means procedurally, I guess you have to have a debate. Now, if we have a debate in Congress,
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will that be the first trial-like thing in which there are people on both sides of the issue
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who can ask the experts about the evidence and the witnesses, etc.? This would be the first time,
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wouldn't it? Because, and I don't know exactly if Congress ended up debating the electoral college,
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do they get to bring in witnesses? And if they don't get to bring in witnesses, I would think that
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at least they can say what the witness, you know, wrote down on an affidavit. So will this not be
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the first time there's a trial on the evidence such as it is? Not proof, right? We don't know if it's
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proof, but there's plenty of evidence. It'll be the first time, right? Fact check me on that. Would it
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be a proper debate with both sides? Because it's the both sides that's important. If all you do is
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another hearing where Republicans talk to friendly witnesses, that means nothing. You got to have the
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other side in this, or you don't have anything. There have been a few before this, I'm hearing.
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I'm confusing this with Senate hearings, maybe. Now, General Flynn, and I guess some other people,
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have been involved in conversations talking about, you know, what to do about the alleged election
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irregularities. And some of the ideas that have been floated are a federal seizure of voting
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machines in the swing states. So just have the federal government through, I guess, an executive
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order, just go take control of them. And then they can be audited, etc. And then another one is
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scarier, which is the military would go into these swing states that we have some questions about,
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and they would hold a second election. That feels so impractical, I think we can rule that one out.
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But what about the federal seizure of voting machines? I can't think of any reason not to do
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that. Can you? Because whether or not there's anything on these voting machines that's a problem,
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do we all agree that we as citizens would like to know? And we'd like to know if there's a problem
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on there. I don't want to just guess. And if the only way you can do that is to have the feds seize
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those machines, is there even any argument against that? You know, I get that you don't want the feds
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to step on the states, and it's the state's responsibility. But in a situation in which
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there is extreme doubt about the outcome of the election and the viability of our system,
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that seems perfectly appropriate. Why wouldn't you? Have you heard any argument against that? Why
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wouldn't you? Somebody says the logs have been wiped. If the logs have been wiped,
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then that's reason enough for Congress not to certify anything, because that would be evidence of
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bad stuff, I would think. Well, the CEO of FireEye, a cybersecurity company,
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so they're involved in looking at who was involved in the massive cyber attack that is being blamed on
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Russia. But apparently this fellow who is an expert in a company that's an expert at this and is
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involved in this very situation, they're not so sure it was Russia. So Pompeo says it's pretty clear it was
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Russia. And this expert also agrees that it fits the Russian profile, and it's very consistent with
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the Russia attack. But he's not willing to say it's definitely Russia. However, here's the interesting
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part. He says that with time and enough effort, you could actually know for sure. Do you think that's
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true? Do you think that with some amount of time and effort, that somehow we have not had enough time
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and effort yet? We've known about this hack for, I guess, months now. But with additional time,
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we would figure out who it was, and we haven't done it so far? It feels like if we haven't done it so far,
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there wouldn't be much of a trail there, at least digitally. So maybe they have other assets or other
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ways to find out with human intel. But I'm a little suspicious that if you wait longer,
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you could be sure where the attack came from. That just feels like something that's not a thing
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if we don't already know. If we knew already, then I'd say, oh yeah, I guess we found out.
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So there's some talk that the Moderna vaccine, vaccination, and maybe the other ones too,
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would work against this variant in Great Britain. And that would be good news. I don't know if it's
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good enough news to continue the way we're going, but yeah, good news. And that is just about all
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that's happening, because it's the week of Christmas. And it's a slow news time. Have you
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looked at poor CNN lately? Look at their news page? It's a little sad, actually. It's a little sad
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because they don't have enough Trump news, because Trump just sort of went undercover,
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and all he talks about is the election stuff. Here's somebody saying something about Tesla.
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Is there something happened with the Tesla stock today that I need to know about?
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Not really. Down a little bit, no big deal. All right. Yeah, no Trump, no drama. So apparently
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Biden's plan of starving the news business of anything interesting is working really well.
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And he is so far successfully starving the news industry of everything.
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Okay. Oh, somebody's saying Tesla's moving to Texas, and Tesla's put in the S&P 500.
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If you're not familiar with Q, look it up. I don't think I'll be looking for Q. I see you're asking
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for a WenHub update. I'll give you the brief thing is that the coronavirus, the pandemic,
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pretty much put us on a business. But the tokens, the Wen, still exist because they live forever on
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the blockchain. So we are looking for other uses for a token that exists and could be used for
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anything. So if there's anybody who's thinking of starting any kind of a business that would require
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a token, we could potentially fund you with some of the tokens for free if what you're doing creates
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a demand for other tokens. So if there's anybody out there who has a business that they don't want
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to start their own tokens and get them listed, which is kind of hard. It's really hard. If you
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just want to use ones that exist, we could set you up on that and it would make the Wen token
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If your business model was remote experts, why would COVID kill the business? It had more to do with
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the team and where our efforts were and my own efforts being entirely this stuff.
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Newsom recall. You know, I know the Newsom recall petitions and stuff are going on, but I don't
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really have a big opinion on that. Apparently he has 60% approval rating in California. I don't know
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if that's true. Somebody says to check my thyroid because you think I have a goiter. Why do you
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think I have a goiter? Oh, are you seeing this? This is a, if you're seeing my neck, this is a scar
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from voice surgery. So my vocal cords. So if it looks like there's some irregularity on my neck,
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that's what that's from. Just a scar. Yeah. Somebody on Twitter suggested it was time for me to make my
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move to take over the world. And I've been thinking the same thing, really. I think it's just time for
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me to take over the world. Now, I don't mean in a dictator kind of a way, but I feel as if all the
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people are in charge are not believable anymore. And that the real government will, you know, there's
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a good chance it will migrate to simply smart people that you don't think are lying. They might
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be wrong. They might be right. They might have a different bias than you have. But if you're not
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getting your leadership from people that you at least know aren't lying, you're not really getting
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leadership, right? So do you think that Biden will always tell you the truth? Did the Democrats think
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that Trump was always telling the truth? No. But let me ask you this. Do you think you pick
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pick anyone from Twitter who you follow that you think is honest? Do you think that they'll lie to
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you intentionally? No, no, they will not lie to you intentionally. There's lots of people you could
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identify who are not in politics. So I'll just pick one name, Tim Pool. If you watch, you know,
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independent journalist Tim Pool, do you think that Tim Pool will ever just lie? No, there's almost no
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chance of that, right? I mean, you can say anybody can lie, I suppose, in some generic way. But no,
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no, you know that he might be right, he might be wrong, he might agree with you, he might disagree
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with you. But you don't really have any doubt that he's telling you the truth. Take Joe Rogan.
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Do you wonder if Joe Rogan is telling you the truth? No, no, he earned that. He earned it through,
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you know, lots of public stuff that makes it very clear that he can be right, he can be wrong. But
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he's always telling you what he thinks is true, even if it's wrong. Yeah, Cernovich is another one,
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etc. So there are people who could be wrong, but they're not going to lie to you. And we probably need
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to start moving a little bit of the power or the influence of this country over to the people who
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aren't trying to screw you. So maybe there's some kind of a hybrid system that would compensate for
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the fact that the republic is over. You know, we're sort of running on fumes, it's just inertia right
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now. But the system, the republic, truly doesn't exist. We're like the homeopathy version of the
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republic, you know, where you keep diluting the water until there's only the memory of the drug,
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but the drug isn't there anymore. I don't think it's real, by the way, but that's what homeopathy is
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about. All right. It's called free enterprise. What are the Yeah, I'm seeing you making a Eric
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Swalwell joke, because his last name has a sexual connotation. And sure enough, he found himself in
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that situation. Why do I blink like that? So I've often been told that I get blinky, I think it's when
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I'm tired or nervous or something. I mean, I don't feel especially nervous. But I'm, I'm a serial
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blinker. And I don't know it when I'm doing it. I only know it when I watch it on playback.
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Your sinuses are acting up. They feel pretty good at the moment. Pretty good. All right.
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Is locals the best way to contact you about business? No, use LinkedIn. So just use LinkedIn.
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LinkedIn. I do. I see all the messages in LinkedIn. I don't respond to them all. But if it's a business
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thing, I'll see it. So you can guarantee I'll see it sometime in the next week or so. And that
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is all I have for you today, unfortunately. Unless you have some amazing questions that I see in the
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next five seconds, we'll make this a short one. Why only one sip of coffee? Because that's all you
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need. That's all you need is one. Am I leaving California? As of today, I'm probably going to
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think about it. If you asked me yesterday, I would have said no. But things move fast.
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Thanks for Doonesbury. Thanks a lot. Your head is blocking your books? Well, there you go. There
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you go. There's those books. By the way, my book, How to Fail at Almost Everything and Still
00:31:28.260
Went Big, came out in 2013. And when it did, my publisher told me that it would be an evergreen.
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An evergreen is a book that doesn't just sell well for a year and then disappear. But rather,
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it becomes one that just sort of lives forever and sells well for year after year after year.
00:31:46.020
And sure enough, the How to Fail book, actually, the oldest of my books is selling the most briskly
00:31:52.740
and actually picking up steam years later because there's so much buzz about it now. So I don't know
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if you've noticed how many things that book influenced. So anywhere you see anybody talking
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about something that sounds like a talent stack, that was from that book. Anytime you see somebody
00:32:10.820
talking about systems being better than goals, almost certainly they read that book before they
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did their own thing. Please fill your shelves. Does it bother you that the shelves are not filled?
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Your wife is reading How to Fail right now, and I'll bet she'll like it. Oh, you bought two copies?
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Yeah, the most common thing I hear about that book is people buying multiple copies and buying it all
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the time. THC today? As soon as we're done here. I haven't started, but today's the day I'm going
00:32:49.040
to need to dig in pretty hard. Haven't heard much about Christina's pilot license. Well, that's on hold at
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the moment. And all right. How was The Expanse? Oh yeah, I started watching The Expanse. It's good.
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I mean, the sci-fi shows, I don't watch the same way as I watch other stuff. The sci-fi stuff, I want
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to feel like I'm in a world. You know, it creates a world and you know those people and you go live
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with them. So I watch the sci-fi less for the plot and more for the absorbing atmosphere. All right.
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Why not Russia as a new U.S. state? Okay. Who will be president at the end of January? I would expect
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Biden will get in because as Josh Hawley said, people don't care that Republicans don't like it. It's just
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going to happen. All right. How are your sinuses? Very good. So I have the sinus surgery. Unfortunately,
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I have a marker that suggests my sinus problems will reemerge, but it won't happen right away.
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And that's all I got for now. Don't want to bore you to death. I'll let you go. Bye for now.
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All right. We're done with Periscope. How was your week after you said last week was the worst week
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ever? It's about the same. Honestly, about the same. I can honestly say that this month would be one of
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the two or three worst times of my life, probably. But I'm perfectly healthy and still rich. So I'm very
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resilient. I've had my entire life destroyed a number of times. So it's nothing new. All right.
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That's all for now. I will talk to you tomorrow.