Episode 1247 Scott Adams: You Might Have Heard Trump is Banned From Twitter. What Now?
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Summary
Trump has been banned from the social media platform for all of eternity, but what does this mean for the rest of us? Is this a good or bad thing? And what would happen if Trump was allowed back on the platform?
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Hey, everybody. Come on in. Come on in. You may have heard that there is some news. Thank
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goodness we've gotten past the holiday season and the news is plentiful and interesting and
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we can be entertained once again. I don't know how long I will be still platformed coming to
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you at the moment on both the Periscope and YouTube platform simultaneously. But how long
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will I still have the ability to be platformed? Probably not very long. But let's see if we
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can get through today. And in order to enjoy this to its maximum potential, all you need
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is a cup or mug or glass, a tanker, chalice, or stein, a canteen, jug, or plastic, a vessel
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of any kind. Fill it with your favorite liquid. And join me now for the unparalleled pleasure
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of the dopamine here in the day. I think it makes everything better. Call the silent thing
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you say. Oh, it seems that the, uh, there's some complaints from YouTube. Let's see what
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we can do about that. YouTube, are you happy? That should make it better. All right. Um,
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you know, I own some Twitter stock, full disclosure, but I don't know if it's going to go down that
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much on Monday. I hear a lot of people saying that. But what exactly is the other Twitter
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service you're going to use? Parler and Gab are probably going to be taken down by Apple and,
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uh, the Apple Store and Google Pay. I think Gab's already taken down. So let's try this again
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with sound. Okay. All you need is a cup or mug or glass, a tanker, chalice, stein, the canteen,
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jug of flask, a vessel of any kind, fill it with, I'm not picking a man. Simultaneously, set, go.
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All right. Well, the good news is I've, uh, ordered an adapter. So this problem where I can't be
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charging my iPad at the same time the microphone is plugged in should be solved by this afternoon.
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Yeah, it was the best sip ever. You're right. It was the best sip ever. Let's talk about the news,
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not coffee. Well, you all know that Twitter has banned Trump for eternity from Twitter. Now,
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it's hard to imagine what that meeting was like. I don't know if it was a physical meeting or a Zoom
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meeting, but don't you think Twitter had some kind of a management meeting to decide whether Trump
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should be banned forever? Now, I think that the, uh, the justification is that he might've been,
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in their opinion, fomenting some kind of, you know, uh, trouble.
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But how did they do the calculation? Because leaving Trump on there to say things, you could
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assess that, uh, you know, with some risk. You could say, okay, the things he says might cause more
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things like the, uh, attack on the Capitol. So you don't want to have that risk. So you can reduce
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it by taking him off the platform. But isn't there an offsetting risk? I mean, isn't there a risk of
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actual civil war? How do you weigh those? So let's say that, uh, taking Trump off the platform,
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if you were just going to go through the math of it, let's say that you believed it would be a 50%
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likelihood to reduce 20 deaths because there might be more unrest. Let's say 20 people might be killed
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by the time all the unrest is done. If Trump were allowed to stay on the platform and said things that
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got people fired up, maybe a 50% chance of 10 people dying. Now, the way you would calculate that is
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you'd say a 50% chance of 10 people dying, just for analysis purposes, you'd treat it as, uh, 10
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people. So a 50% chance of 20 people dying, you'll, you'll weigh that as the value of 10 people. It's
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not really 10 people. This is just how you do the analysis. And then you say, okay, but what about the
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other way where you take him down and you anger 71 million people who feel that they've lost
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everything that, that makes the country, the country, freedom of speech, freedom, basically the,
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the freedom to have an opinion and not be punished for it. What is the risk of that? Well, I would say
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the risk of that is full civil war. Wouldn't you like actual civil war, not the kind where some people
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are protesting and saying things and things like that. But if you shut down the ability to
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communicate, or it even feels like you did, uh, because Trump's such a big part of that communication,
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what would be the expected risk? Now, I think the risk of an actual physical civil war is low,
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but what is low? 5%? Let's put a number on it. Let's say 5%. Is that fair? Do you think that,
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uh, shutting, uh, shutting, shutting down, uh, Trump from Twitter gives you a 5% chance of civil war
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that didn't exist before? Is that too much? So let's say 5% of civil war, what is, what would be
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the expected risk or number of people who might die in an actual civil war? Let's say a million.
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I don't know, you know, you'd be guessing, right? Let's say a million people could die in a civil war.
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So you would take 5% of a million and you would compare it to 50% of 20 and you'd say, which is
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bigger? 5% of a million, it's a lot bigger. So if I were in that meeting and somebody said,
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we're trying to reduce the risk to the country. And let's say it was, let's say it was, uh,
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entirely non-political and it just had to do with safety or safety plus the, you know, the future
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of Twitter, which would be similar. You know, if they don't, if they don't protect safety,
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they're going to have to pay for that too. So if I were in the meeting, I would say it looks like
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you're taking a 50% chance of 20 people dying, 10 people comparing it to, uh, what 50,000 people
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dying the other way. So you've saved 10 at the cost of 50,000. Now remember, we're only talking
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statistics so that 50,000 is very unlikely because it's unlikely there would be a civil war. But what if
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it's a 5%, that's how you do the analysis. If it's a 5% chance more of civil war, you don't do that
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if you know how to make decisions. So I asked on Twitter, um, ironically, uh, whether this would
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be viewed as one of the biggest mistakes in American history. And it could, you know, it's in
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that 5% range, but it could be one of the biggest mistakes in American history, actually. Now we don't
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know where it's heading yet, but in terms of its potential, it's potentially one of the biggest
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mistakes in all of human, well, American history, not human history. So one wonders, were there other
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considerations? In other words, if it were just a business decision and it were just based on saving
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the most people, is that the way you'd go? Because it looks like exactly the opposite of what you would
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do if you wanted to save lives or at least reduce risk. Now it could be that if, if, you know, 10 people
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died tomorrow because of something Trump did, that would look like Twitter is directly responsible.
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Why didn't you do it sooner? So 10 people dying that can be blamed on you specifically,
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you might take that more seriously than 50,000 people dying that maybe doesn't get blamed on
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you specifically. You know what I mean? So it could be that it has to do with how blame would be
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attributed. And we'll talk about that a little bit more. So I asked on Twitter, everything's sort of
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meta today, but I did a Twitter poll, which of course are highly unscientific. They're just sort of
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interesting. And I asked people who do they think is most responsible for the Capitol protests. Now,
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when I said that, I think most people understood that to mean, you know, with the violence, not just
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the peaceful part. But who is most responsible for the protests, which led to violence? And the
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responders, I gave them four choices. You could argue that there should be more choices. But I said,
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would it be Trump, the fake news, social media, or Congress? Now, of course, my Twitter followers
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lean pro-Trump. But here's what they said. They said 13% said Trump is most responsible for the
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Capitol problems. 46% said the fake news. 13% said social media, about the same as Trump. And Congress
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got 29. So by far, the two entities which are blamed the most for the Capitol protests are the fake news
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and social media. And social media. And social media, of course, is a booster of fake news and a creator of
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fake news. So here's how I see the world. Yeah, there's a whiteboard. Yeah, didn't see this coming, did
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you? Bam, whiteboard time. Coming right at you. All right, here's how I see the world. There is a blame
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chain, which is to say, it's not that one person had to do what they did in order to get the result
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we got. It had to be way more than one person. You had to have everything that was part of the
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causal chain had to be just the way it was to get just the result you got. If you change any of those
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elements, you get a different outcome. But let's say you tried to apply that thinking to a murder.
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And you say, wait, wait, it's not the murderer's fault. Because all of the other things had to be
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placed before that murder could happen. The victim had to be there. Well, that's not the murderer's
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fault, right? So it doesn't make any sense for a criminal situation. Because when it comes to crime,
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you need a specific criminal to punish so that society can see people getting punished. And so
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there's a reason not to do the crime. But in the criminal situation, you're really just looking at
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stopping crime. You're not philosophically asking, well, who is really responsible? Could it be the
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parents of the criminal? Could it be society or the way they learn things? Could it be that they were
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bullied in school? Those could all be 100% true. And they could be 100% the cause. But in the legal
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world, you just say, it's just got to be the person who pulled the trigger, right? So let's agree
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that an analysis about the legal system and who's to blame would be unique and you would ignore a lot
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of reality because you have to for the legal system. But let's say you're just saying, in general,
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whose fault is it? I'm not putting anybody in jail. It's not the court. It's just we're talking. And we're
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going to say, who actually should take the blame? And here's how I see it. You've got a fake news
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business, which gave us the fine people hoax, the drinking bleak chokes and nonstop bias. You can say
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that it was on both sides. You can say that right was biased and fake news, but it's just different
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fake news. And I won't argue with you on that. My only point is, what would things look like
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if we had a reliable and credible free press? Well, when the election happened, the free press
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would have done two things if they were like a real free press. They would have dug into each of
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the allegations. They would have created a master list and said, here are the allegations. Here are
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the people debunking it. And here are the ones that were judged in court one way or the other.
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And every citizen would be able to look at that and say, oh, okay, I was quite concerned about
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the integrity of the election. But now I see that the free press has done the work for me.
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They've investigated. They got other experts. They've debunked. And maybe they debunked them all.
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What would be the outcome if a credible press, both the left and the right, looked into it,
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compiled a complete list, considered every claim, and debunked it all with experts, not themselves?
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What would have been the outcome? Well, not a riot, right? Why would you riot if you knew that your
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side lost fair and square? You wouldn't. You'd say, damn it, got to try harder next time we lost fair
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and square. So I would say that the fake news is 100% responsible for the outcome. They created this
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situation in which they took themselves out of the equation as a credible player and probably only made
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things worse. I mean, you could point to elements of the press that promoted ridiculous conspiracy
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theories on the right, primarily. So how does the press not get blamed for this outcome? Well,
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the reason is that the press's influence is harder to trace down to any individual person.
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What about social media? Social media is kind of a booster of the fake news that's full of hoaxes
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and conspiracies theories. The algorithms divide us so that there's natural division that's worse than
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it would be normally without it. So it's divided the country. Now, once you've divided the country
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and people are just going to take sides, because that's what social media did to us, what happens
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when there's any disagreement? Does the disagreement get resolved in a reasonable way where people go,
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ah, I don't love it, but I'll compromise for the good of the system and stuff like that? No. No, you can't
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get that. You can't get a negotiated agreement where everybody goes away and goes, ah, it wasn't perfect,
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but we can live with it. You can't get that if the social media is dividing the country. People just go to
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camps and they think that's where they need to be. So they've been brainwashed into this division through the
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algorithms and, um, and also the social media allows protests to organize. So if you didn't have social
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media, I doubt you could have been as organized as they were to, to get people there. So that's part of
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it. So I'd say social media, probably, uh, if you removed social media, would the, uh, riots have happened?
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I feel you could make a strong case, really strong, that without social media doing what it does
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intentionally and unintentionally, you wouldn't have the riots. So are they responsible? If,
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if they didn't do what they were doing, it wouldn't have happened. So are they to blame? Well,
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the answer is they have a hundred percent responsibility at the same time that the fake news has a hundred
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percent, because if they didn't do what they were doing, probably we wouldn't have had this outcome.
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Now let's take, uh, uh, Congress and state governments. They gave us a non-transparent
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election with lots of last minute changes and they resisted audits. Does this situation pretty much
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guarantee that sooner or later you're going to have a election related riot? It does. It guarantees it.
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Now it wouldn't necessarily guarantee it if you didn't also have social media dividing the country
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and the fake news, you know, doing the same really. So is the Congress and the state governments
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collectively, are they responsible for the riots? Yes. What percentage of responsibility would I give
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them? A hundred percent. Because if they'd done their job and given us transparent elections or let us audit
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them or not made last minute changes, which destroyed the credibility of the system, if they had not
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done these things, we wouldn't have had protests. So a hundred percent blame social media, one hundred
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percent blame fake news, one hundred percent blame. Any one of them could have done a good job
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job or a different job or a different job and gotten a different outcome, but they didn't. They didn't.
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So what about Trump's, uh, calls to protest the language he used? Was it responsible for
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the bloodshed? Yes. Yes, it was because Trump easily could have done something else. He could have said,
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look, absolutely no violence. I don't want to see anything like that. If you come to the, to DC,
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make sure you're in the, you know, you're in the safe zones. Don't bring any lead pipes. He could have
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said that, but he didn't. And so I back, um, I backed his removal from office because that was a pretty big
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mistake. But I do not back Trump's removal from office without an equal amount of punishment for the
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other entities, which have equal responsibility. Now, again, the way our legal system is organized
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and the way we're all trained is that the last person who does something is the guilty one.
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And if it were a legal case or a lawsuit, yeah, that's the way we treat it. You have to,
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because there's no practical way to treat it any other way. You wouldn't really know what to do with
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these other entities. It's too, too hard to trace the influence, but you know, it's there.
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Right. So here's my take. Should Trump be removed from office for this specific infraction,
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which probably did lead to some deaths? I'd say yes. And I think it's an easy call because he only
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has a few days left in office and what was he going to do anyway? Right. And if you're going to send a
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message to say presidents should not act this way, you know, to drum up any kind of attack on the
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Capitol, you could argue that his exact words never said anything like that. And you'd be right.
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There was nothing in his exact words that told anybody to do anything violent. But you know,
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he could have played it differently, right? It's not what he said that was a problem. In my opinion,
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he didn't say anything that was a problem. It's what he didn't say. It's what he could have said,
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easily knew that he could have said. So I think that accepting responsibility for that is fair.
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If you will also let him accept credit for things he did in his presidency, which I think were
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unparalleled and incredible. But can't you hold both thoughts? Can't you say he was really good at
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this? This part, not so good. That's fair, right? Is there anybody who can't hold those two thoughts?
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You probably shouldn't follow me if you can't. All right, so here's my take. The scariest part about
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this system I just described is that social media and the fake news, more of the fake news working
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through the social media, they're the ones who can assign blame. So we have a system that if you had
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designed the system from scratch, people would laugh at you. They would laugh at you. All right,
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let me describe the system as if I were designing it from scratch. All right, we're gonna, I'm gonna
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build a system. So we'll have something called the free press, and we'll have this thing called
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the government, and there'll be a public, and this is how they'll all work together. Now there's, there's
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one bug in the system, I gotta admit, and it is that one of the entities can cause the problems
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in society, and they're the only ones who can distribute the blame. And I'd say, hold on, I
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probably heard that wrong. Are you saying you're intentionally designing a system where the people
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who are the main cause of all of our problems are also the only ones who can assign the blame?
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And the person would say, yeah, yeah, that's, that's what we're doing. I go, well, hold on,
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wait a minute. Do you not see a problem here? You just said that the ones who cause the problems,
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let's say the fake news, you're saying they also get to blame other people for the problems that
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they caused right in front of you? Yeah, that's the system. What would you do if somebody presented
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you with that, that system? You'd laugh. You would literally laugh. He's like, well, that's not gonna
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work. Because obviously the people causing the problems are gonna blame other people, like Trump.
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Now Trump made it easy. He made it easy to blame because he didn't play it right. So that's, you know,
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that's the problem with being a politician. If you make it easy, they're gonna come, they're gonna come
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for you. So this is a completely unworkable system for the long run. I don't know exactly.
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I don't know exactly what we're going to do to fix this. But I do expect there'll be enough ingenuity
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and enough A-B testing and enough free market stuff and enough energy to probably find some
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alternatives. It's just not obvious what they're going to be. Now the, the public is quite good
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as solving things eventually. We're pretty good problem solvers. But I gotta say, it's not obvious
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to me what you do about any of this. Because right now you see Trump losing his, effectively,
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his freedom of speech by being deplatformed from Twitter. But these other entities, I don't think
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they're gonna lose their freedom of speech, are they? Because they got to blame other people.
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So as long as the fake news can just make stuff up, what are you gonna do? Let me suggest a
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possibility. I'm just gonna brainstorm right now. We watched Trump get kicked off, not just for
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inciting violence, but I think they would have kicked him off anyway for making election claims
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that social media says are not true. But you know what? Social media also needs to do a little
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better job on the fake news because, for example, these hoaxes, the fine people hoax, the drinking
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bleach hoax, those were allowed to spread. What do you think did more damage to the country? The
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fine people hoax or Trump telling people to protest in D.C., which led to the violence? Which do you
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think hurt the country more? I don't think it's close. I think the fine people hoax is one of the most
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damaging things that's ever happened. Not even close. It's maybe a thousand to one. You know,
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I wouldn't compare them. As horrible and tragic as it is for five people to die and all those people
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being injured, completely unacceptable on every level. But the fine people hoax is worse by maybe
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a thousand times worse. It's not even close to what it did to this country. But social media allows that
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to stand. Now, that's an obvious lie. You just look at the transcript. Oh, obvious lie. Why is that allowed
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to stay? Could it be that the real way to solve this is to put pressure on social media to, wait for it,
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wait for it, use their own standards? Because that's a pretty strong argument, isn't it?
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Hey, social media, we'd like you to use your own rules. Just use them consistently. And I think we
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would need to pick a few items. Let's say we being anybody who's concerned about the issue. Pick a few
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items and just die on that hill. Just say, look, as long as you're allowing people to say that the
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fine people hoax is a real thing, and that you can just say that on social media with no
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repercussions. Just pick one thing and say, you need to be regulated or shut down if you can't
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treat these the same. Right? Now, wouldn't you think, there's a question, would it be possible to do a
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lawsuit in which you just pointed out this difference and said that it's two classes of people being treated
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differently by the same company? Is that legal? One class of people being Republicans, let's say,
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the other part being non-Republicans, could a social media company treat them completely differently
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when their policy says, their own policy says, they don't? Their policy doesn't say anything about
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Republicans and Democrats. It just says, you know, information that's terribly wrong and might be
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dangerous to the country, they're going to ban. What if I agree with that? What if conservatives said,
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hey, I like this? What if conservatives embraced it and said, absolutely, here's our list of other
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things you should ban on your platform. And let's just go for it. Let's do it consistently. Let's do it
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once. Let's do it right. Let's get rid of the following lies. Now, probably it would be good to
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have a list of maybe five good lies, like the five top lies that social media allows. And you pick the
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ones that are the most damaging. The ones that literally you can say, okay, that probably killed
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somebody. For example, when the fake media said that President Trump was suggesting drinking bleach,
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which never happened, or anything like it, nothing similar, nothing in that, nothing like it. And if
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you still think that happened, you need to read up on it. But what happens when the fake media says
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your president is so unscientific and dumb that he said drink bleach, which never happened?
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What does that do to people's compliance? When the president says maybe you should wear masks?
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He was a little reluctant, but you know, well, he got there. Do people say, yeah, I'm going to listen
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to the guy who said drink bleach? No, no. They discredited Trump. So anything useful,
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he might have said, and he did eventually say wear masks, didn't have any effect, because he's the
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drink bleach guy, according to the media. So you could easily, I think, find strong arguments that say
00:27:49.400
that the two sides are being treated unequally, and maybe the Supreme Court would hear that.
00:27:56.700
Now, I'm not a lawyer. Is that a case? Can somebody who actually knows anything about the law,
00:28:01.520
which would not be me, tell me, could you bring a case about unequal treatment when it's so obvious?
00:28:07.440
This is the most obvious case you could ever see. There's no jury in the world
00:28:11.960
who would disagree that they're making up, you know, they're making up stuff and publishing it
00:28:18.200
like it's true. All right. So maybe that's the way to go. As we're learning more about the protests
00:28:26.200
themselves, and I have to admit, I was taking a little bit of a humorous approach to it because
00:28:34.200
there was a guy in a Viking helmet and blah, blah, blah. But when you hear the details,
00:28:39.260
there were apparently members of that group with lead pipes, and it was probably the lead pipes on
00:28:47.020
the head that injured the cops, and at least one died. And let me say this as clearly as possible.
00:28:54.200
Anybody who had a lead pipe and used it, in this situation, should be the death penalty.
00:29:03.720
You know, normally maybe not, if it was like a fight or something. But if you're trying to
00:29:08.100
overthrow the government, you know, if you attack the government with lead pipes, the government in
00:29:14.940
this case, including the security force, I don't even know if that's jail. That should be execution.
00:29:20.700
Shouldn't it? If you get all the way into the Capitol building and start killing people with a deadly
00:29:27.820
weapon, that should be death sentence. I'd be okay with that. As opposed to all the peaceful
00:29:35.920
protesters, of course not. There's some fake news going around on a video. I've told you that video
00:29:43.600
is the biggest liar. We used to think if you saw it on video, you saw it with your own eyes, and therefore
00:29:48.880
it's true. It's right there on video. But of course, the last couple years we've learned that video is
00:29:53.840
the biggest liar. It's the easiest way to lie. It's a misleading edit. And there's a video on the
00:30:02.920
internet that people are saying in the comments that what they're seeing in the video is that the law
00:30:08.940
enforcement opened up a door and let the protesters into the Capitol. So that's what the comment on the
00:30:15.500
video says. You can see it with your own eyes. There are police officers opening the door to let
00:30:21.760
people in. And then you watch the video, and nothing like that's on the video. You see a door open, but
00:30:27.860
there's no suggestion that the police did it. There was somebody on the inside, but probably a protester
00:30:34.980
who got in there and opened the door. So the ability of people to be fooled has gone to a whole new
00:30:44.400
level, it seems like. That you can actually look at the video that doesn't show that thing,
00:30:49.600
and then tweet it with a statement that says, look at that thing on this video, and it's just not there.
00:30:54.940
This is not there. What the hell? All right. Apparently, according to Rasmussen, Trump's approval is up
00:31:03.340
since the protests. What do you think Trump's approval is going to be after he gets kicked off of Twitter?
00:31:10.180
You know, he has been. I feel like it might go up. What happens to Trump's approval the less you can
00:31:19.520
hear about him tweeting? It goes up. But here's the interesting thing to me. So the things that
00:31:28.620
Trump got banned for, ultimately, were nothing you should get banned for in any of our opinions.
00:31:34.860
I mean, it's obviously subjective. But I don't think anybody thought there was any content that
00:31:40.400
was bannable. Even the ACLU, no friend of the president, even they're saying it went too far.
00:31:49.800
But apparently, one of the tweets just before he got banned was he was talking about starting a
00:31:54.980
competing platform to Twitter. Now, is it a coincidence,
00:31:58.960
is it a coincidence that as soon as Trump said something that was vital to the bottom line of
00:32:06.840
Twitter, that he was going to start a competing platform, that that's when he got kicked off of
00:32:12.900
the platform for something that didn't look like a big deal? Is that a total coincidence that he was
00:32:20.100
using Twitter to take down Twitter and they banned him? I don't think so. I mean,
00:32:27.600
I don't know if anybody was at the meeting and said it out loud, hey, Trump's talking about a
00:32:34.200
competition, let's use an excuse to kick him off. I doubted anybody said that out loud.
00:32:39.640
But if you own Twitter stock, and you see Trump talking about making your stock worth less,
00:32:48.240
which way are you going to decide? If you own Twitter stock, would you let Trump stay on there
00:32:55.180
talking about stuff that would make your stock price go down? I think you'd find a reason to
00:33:00.200
get him off, and it might not be the strongest reason, if you know what I mean, if you catch my
00:33:04.840
meaning. So I would say that everything about the way Twitter has treated that raises questions.
00:33:13.300
So Dominion Voting System is suing Sidney Powell for $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit. And I think
00:33:23.960
she's got trouble. She's got trouble because the claims that she made were really specific and
00:33:31.380
really, really debunked. So she might have a problem there. And when I saw the number suing for
00:33:39.020
$1.3 billion, I thought, well, that's like a crazy number, right? You can't sue for...
00:33:46.460
There's somebody yelling at me in all caps. Scott spelled wrong with one T in all caps.
00:33:54.260
This isn't about stocks, boomer. Did I say this was about stocks? It's one variable. It's one variable.
00:34:06.500
All caps guy. Relax. Relax. I have some advice for you. All caps guy. You'll probably see a lot of
00:34:18.120
people making comments in a public way. You know, they'll write their comment, and then it'll show up
00:34:23.000
on the screen, and then sometimes thousands or tens of thousands of people will read those comments.
00:34:27.800
That's not for you. That's not for you. You maybe should whisper to people that you know really
00:34:36.100
well. Tweeting in public? Not your strong suit. Just rethink it. That's all I'm saying. Maybe put
00:34:46.500
your energy somewhere where you're not embarrassed. Anyway, when I thought this $1.3 billion defamation
00:34:55.560
suit against Sidney Powell, that's probably not too far off from what this is going to cost them.
00:35:01.860
I wouldn't be surprised if Dominion lost over a billion dollars. I mean, that certainly seems
00:35:09.640
possible because if people believe these allegations... Now, I, of course, have said that any digital
00:35:17.080
system can be compromised. So if you believe that their digital systems are the ones that have not
00:35:23.220
been compromised, it's probably because you did a deep audit of it yourself, right? Because nobody
00:35:28.980
else did. Nobody audited that stuff. So I would say that I have no specific reason to think there's
00:35:38.560
anything wrong with this system or any other, except that 100% of the times that you have this set up,
00:35:45.120
somebody's going to hack it. Every time. You don't know if it was this year. You don't know if it's
00:35:52.420
happened in the past. You don't know if it'll happen in the future or when. But it happens every time.
00:35:58.180
It's not like this will be the one situation. There won't be a hacker. That's not a thing.
00:36:04.880
Here's some more stuff that got removed. I guess Steve Bannon's The War Room got removed from YouTube.
00:36:12.400
Google Play is getting rid of Parler and Apple might as well. Gab is already banned on Google Play
00:36:20.760
and Apple Store. So if you don't think this is serious, that's pretty serious. I went down, I thought
00:36:28.860
I went down 40,000 followers on Twitter in the last few days. And is it a coincidence that the purge
00:36:35.520
starts, that the purge began right on January 6th when Biden was sworn in? It feels as if
00:36:43.800
that date was picked because that would be the safest day to do it. So I don't know how many of
00:36:54.820
the removed users are because of bots being removed. I think that's the biggest reason. I think the main
00:37:01.880
reason was getting rid of bots. But I think the, yeah. But you also wonder how many people just left
00:37:11.940
the platform. So a lot of people left and have gone to the Locals platform. I will tell you that
00:37:18.020
if I get banned here, you could find me on a subscription platform called Locals. And the
00:37:23.980
URL would be scottadams, all one word, dot locals, with an S, dot com. So I'll be there if anything
00:37:32.600
happens to this. Lindsay Graham, he says, he tweeted, he says, I'm more determined than never to strip
00:37:41.280
Section 230 protections from big tech. Now keep in mind, Lindsay Graham, if you strip those protections
00:37:47.820
from big tech, you're also stripping it from Parler and Gab. And Parler and Gab would go on a business
00:37:54.980
pretty much the same day. Because they allow more free speech, which allows, you know, more bad
00:38:04.600
voices to be part of the system. And so if they had to start moderating all of their voices,
00:38:12.680
if Parler and Gab did, then they would just become Twitter. So the only choice they would have is to
00:38:19.620
become Twitter, at which point there's no point in having them. Or they just get sued out of business
00:38:26.340
for having, you know, Nazis on their website. So, um, Lindsay Graham, you're a little bit too late.
00:38:35.740
I don't see any way that a Section 230 thing could work, uh, in the coming administration. Do you?
00:38:42.860
I don't, I don't believe that the opportunity to regulate the social media companies exists anymore.
00:38:51.400
I think on about January 6th, the, the, even the possibility of regulating the social media companies
00:38:58.620
just went away. So, you know, Lindsay Graham can talk about it, but it's not going to happen
00:39:04.740
because the social media companies just have too much power and they're too connected with the
00:39:09.980
Democrats. It just can't happen. There's just no way that can happen. So there's no point talking
00:39:15.220
about it, actually. Um, weird story that, uh, that w there was a lot of job loss recently in December
00:39:22.120
and, but women lost jobs at a rate of 10 to one compared to, to men or nine to one or something,
00:39:29.780
something in that range, you know, like 10 to one. Now, why would that make sense in a world in which
00:39:35.480
a female employment had been zooming, uh, to the point where actually for a while it was higher.
00:39:40.940
There were more women working than men. I mean, that's how good female employment was. It just
00:39:45.560
dipped below that number. But why would it be that women would lose jobs 10 to one or something in that
00:39:53.060
range? And the, the answer that I saw, I don't know if it's true, is the teachers unions. Is there
00:40:02.220
anything that the teachers unions haven't broken? Because the teachers unions are keeping the schools
00:40:07.820
closed. They have the power to, you know, influence that. And because we live in a sexist, gender sexist
00:40:15.160
country, uh, more women are staying home because the kids have to stay home from school than the men.
00:40:20.960
Now, who saw that coming? So I don't think there's anything that you can't blame on teachers unions at
00:40:31.280
this point. So teachers unions are, you know, brainwashing people that, you know, gets you this
00:40:36.340
kind of situation. They're, uh, preventing school choice, which is the fundamental cause of, uh,
00:40:44.400
structural racism. Because if you can't get a good education, you're not going to get ahead.
00:40:50.960
So as long as the teachers unions are destroying the country from the, from the bottom up by
00:40:56.660
destroying education and the opportunity to have competition and education, we would make it good
00:41:02.100
as opposed to what it is now. Um, teachers unions are now invulnerable because of the Biden
00:41:09.680
administration. So now teachers unions, the most malign influence in the country are now completely
00:41:15.760
safe. The second most malign influence, which also has lots of benefits, right? There, there aren't
00:41:21.660
anything that's completely bad or completely good would be social media and social media now is
00:41:28.200
completely invulnerable under a Biden administration. So the two most negative forces in the country just
00:41:35.840
became invulnerable under, under Biden. Am I wrong? Is that, is that hyperbole? The two most destructive
00:41:43.720
forces just became invulnerable. I think that's true. I don't think that's an exaggeration.
00:41:51.580
All right. Um, how long do you think Republicans will be allowed to use banking?
00:41:57.640
You know, when we had lots of, uh, non-digital systems and people could be anonymous and, you
00:42:06.060
know, you could use your little bank and it's not connected to anything else. Everybody could
00:42:11.800
make mistakes or be unpopular and they can still live a life. But what happens when, what happens
00:42:19.240
when you, you get to the point where you say something in a tweet and all of your banking gets
00:42:24.660
turned off? You know, that's a thing, right? That's a thing already that if you say something
00:42:31.760
in public that, uh, is not popular that you can't bank. Now, what can you do in this world if you
00:42:39.780
can't bank? Well, you could try to get by with crypto, but it's not much of a life, right? At the
00:42:44.860
moment that'll probably correct itself in a few short years, but at the moment you wouldn't be able to
00:42:50.320
start a business, get a loan, anything. So the ability of the fake news to just cancel you
00:42:59.080
is reaching, you know, higher and higher levels to the point where once the government gets this
00:43:05.620
power, and it will, of course, the government will be able to just turn off any critic. So let's take
00:43:14.460
me, for example. Have I done anything that would, in your opinion, earn me a ban or get me kicked off
00:43:23.460
of banking? I think the answer is no. And I, I try really, really hard to make sure I know where that
00:43:30.580
line is. And I don't say anything that would, um, cause trouble. And if there's a story in the news that
00:43:37.580
turns out to be not true, I think I'm pretty consistent in saying, oh, I was wrong, not true,
00:43:44.700
as soon as I know. I think you would find that I've probably debunked more conspiracy theories than
00:43:50.460
anybody. So I'm not really in the business of promoting them as much as debunking them.
00:43:55.560
So if you were to look at, you know, my body of work, you'd say, no, he's okay. He'll be okay.
00:44:01.700
But here's the thing. There's a lot of subjectivity involved in that, isn't there?
00:44:08.160
How much subjectivity would it take to take me from my safe little content to just stretch that
00:44:15.460
over the line a little bit to where I'm bannable, just because of somebody's opinion of what I said,
00:44:21.560
maybe not even because of what I said. Now, am I vulnerable to being banned because someone else
00:44:28.560
has an incorrect opinion of what I said? The answer is yes. Our current system allows somebody
00:44:36.860
else to say, you know, in my opinion, Scott, you've crossed the line, even if I haven't,
00:44:44.980
even if I haven't. And they can just turn me off. Now, the banks can do the same thing.
00:44:53.480
How long do you think it'll take before they figure that out? So here's, here's the play.
00:44:57.500
You might see people like me targeted for destruction. I would expect that. You're
00:45:02.740
seeing it already, by the way. If you're following me on social media, you know that they are coming
00:45:08.000
for me. And there will always be a reason that's not the real reason. So the reason will be somebody
00:45:15.920
else's opinion turned into fake news of what I did or did not say. The fake news will become
00:45:23.500
what I have to explain, but I can't. Do you know why I won't be able to explain it away?
00:45:30.000
Because it's on social media and fake news. And they control who sees what. I don't have a chance.
00:45:36.540
I mean, I can say what I can say, but they could just suppress it. So let's say this scenario.
00:45:43.740
Let's say there's somebody who's got a strong association with Jack Dorsey. Or let's just say
00:45:51.180
somebody at Twitter. Let's take Jack out of it. It doesn't have to be his personality because that
00:45:55.280
that just makes everything confusing. Let's just say it's Twitter. And there's some executives there
00:46:00.700
who could push the button and erase me. All right. And if some politician knows this person at Twitter
00:46:08.460
and says, you know, it would really be good for the cause to get rid of a guy who talks about persuasion
00:46:18.440
and is maybe helping the other team. Wouldn't it be good if there were less of him?
00:46:25.620
And now the person at Twitter, hypothetically, this is just a speculative kind of thing,
00:46:30.920
says to themselves, well, I'll take a look at him. And if he's done anything to violate our guidelines,
00:46:36.120
then we'd have cause. But I'm not aware of anything. So then he starts looking at my Twitter
00:46:41.340
feed. Do you think somebody who's looking for a problem could find one? Every time, yeah. There
00:46:49.380
would be no chance that they couldn't find one. And yet, there's nothing there. As far as I know,
00:46:55.780
I've never done anything that would be even really close to that line that I know of. I mean,
00:47:02.120
I'm not aware of anything that's even close to the line. But so easily it could be interpreted as
00:47:07.500
something that I didn't say, meaning more than it meant, wrong context, leave out something, etc.
00:47:14.940
So then what happens if that Twitter executive does a favor for his friend, the Democratic senator?
00:47:21.340
This is all just made up. None of this is happening. And they take me off. What do I do?
00:47:27.200
What's my recourse? My recourse is nothing. Nothing. There's no recourse. Twitter was talking
00:47:37.720
at one point about having some kind of independent mechanism for judging who gets kicked off. But
00:47:44.160
that's not happened. And I think that enough time has gone by that you should assume it won't.
00:47:49.780
I don't think there's much chance that's going to happen. So if there's no process for getting
00:47:55.160
kicked off, and you can get kicked off because of an opinion, somebody else's opinion, not your own,
00:48:01.520
why wouldn't they come for me? Really? Right? Why wouldn't they try to get rid of me?
00:48:08.580
It would be the smart play. So I think people like me will be targeted for destruction. And if you said,
00:48:17.500
well, Scott, you can go to one of those other platforms, no, you can't. No, you can't.
00:48:23.780
You could try. But not many people would see you there. And you wouldn't be interacting with the
00:48:29.580
other side, which is the whole fun of it anyway. But what happens if they turn off my banking?
00:48:37.740
That could happen. How hard would it be for somebody to get to somebody in one of the
00:48:42.100
payment processing companies, Stripe or something like that, and just say, you know,
00:48:46.840
you've got standards, Stripe, and this guy. And then Stripe would say, well, what did he say?
00:48:54.000
You know, we need some information. We can't just ban somebody because you want them.
00:48:58.080
I go, well, look at the news. Look what it says on social media that this guy did.
00:49:02.680
He's already been banned by Twitter, already got kicked off of YouTube. So why are you giving him
00:49:10.560
banking? See what happens? You don't need any new rules. You don't need any new laws. You don't
00:49:19.440
need anything to change. And people like me can be kicked off of both social media and banking
00:49:25.100
with no recourse. No recourse. And that's our current situation. That's right now. Now,
00:49:34.420
you don't think that's dangerous? The only thing that I would add to that,
00:49:46.660
I might get kicked off social media right now. Let's see if I can word this in a way that keeps
00:49:54.000
me here for another day. All right. Yeah, Stripe did it to Gavin McGinnis, somebody saying in the
00:50:00.880
comments. So this is real, by the way, what I'm describing is something that already happens.
00:50:08.000
I'm not talking about something that might happen. You get that, right? This is happening now. I'm just
00:50:13.720
saying that they could just do more of it and it could pick me up easily. It would be easy to
00:50:18.600
disappear me if they want to. But here's the part, though. I got to say this really carefully.
00:50:26.520
Let me say it generally. I'm going to say it in the most general way. And then you can fill in
00:50:34.800
with your own mind what I mean. And it goes like this. I'm probably the last person you want to fuck
00:50:42.340
with. I'll just say that. Probably just about the last person in the world you want to fuck with.
00:50:50.500
Because I am really, really flexible about most things. I'm really, really flexible. If somebody
00:50:59.920
makes a mistake or they criticize me, yeah, no big deal. I mean, I tend to respond to criticisms,
00:51:07.840
but that's just for fun. But if I got taken out just to take me out, that might put me in a whole
00:51:21.200
different mood. Whole different mood. And I'm just saying, I'm the last person you want to fuck with.
00:51:30.440
So we'll see what happens there. The FBI released a poster of 10 of the Capitol rioters who they have
00:51:41.820
good pictures of their faces. And they're publishing the 10 faces because they're looking for the public
00:51:48.360
to help them identify them. What's wrong with this story? Before I tell you what's wrong with the story,
00:51:55.260
this is being reported. I think it's a real thing, that the FBI has 10 faces they're asking the public
00:52:02.480
to help them identify. What's wrong with that story? See if you know. And remember that the faces are
00:52:11.500
really clear. You can see them really well. What's wrong with the story that they're asking the public
00:52:16.340
to identify them? Here's what's wrong with the story. They don't need the public to identify them.
00:52:23.400
They know who they are. So why are they asking the public? When I say they know who they are,
00:52:29.440
have you heard that there is facial identification applications? You don't think the FBI has facial
00:52:35.760
identification such as, I don't know which one they use, but Clearview AI is the leader in the field.
00:52:42.620
You think there's nobody in the FBI who has the app that thousands of law enforcement agencies use
00:52:51.620
routinely? Nobody at the FBI knows that there's a facial recognition app that they can have in,
00:52:58.660
I don't know, 30 minutes. It would take them to, you know, buy a license for it.
00:53:06.220
What's wrong with the story? The FBI publishing these faces, I don't know what the purpose is,
00:53:14.280
but it's certainly not identification, because they know who they are. You could call somebody today.
00:53:21.580
I could literally do this. I could literally, personally, get their identities probably in half
00:53:28.480
an hour, you know, if I had access to the app, but you have to be law enforcement to do it.
00:53:34.220
So you could pretty much find somebody in law enforcement who has the app, and without,
00:53:39.320
you know, any violation of any licenses or privacy say, hey, do you have the app? And the, let's say,
00:53:47.080
some police officer somewhere says, yeah, we use this all the time. And they say, did you see this
00:53:51.920
tweet? Here's 10 faces. Point your app at the tweet and tell me who they are. And this is how hard it
00:54:00.040
would be. Here's the tweet. And then you take your other phone with the app, and you just point it at
00:54:09.280
it. And you identify them instantly. Now, you're telling me the FBI doesn't know that? What is the
00:54:17.440
FBI doing? Is it part of demonizing Trump supporters? Is that what's happening? Because I can't think of a
00:54:27.060
reason they do it, unless it's just some automatic process. And, you know, maybe it's just the process
00:54:32.500
that they always publish them or something. I don't know. But I got a question, because they
00:54:38.440
certainly don't need to do it. By the time that was tweeted, they had all those names. You know,
00:54:43.620
long before somebody could have done a Photoshop to put the 10 faces onto a page, the time it would
00:54:50.620
take you to Photoshop the page of the 10 faces is way longer than it took to identify them.
00:54:56.780
Literally, this is them, identify them. Snap. And there's the name. That's literally it. If you
00:55:06.980
haven't seen it done, it's shocking. It's shocking that it works, and it basically works every time
00:55:13.400
for all practical purposes. Have I considered starting my own bank? Well, I do have a crypto,
00:55:23.020
the when. So I have my own currency. That's a start. Oh, yeah. And somebody's saying it's the FBI
00:55:34.700
thing is training people to snitch. Maybe. I don't have a better theory. And I don't know that
00:55:44.400
that's true. But why else would you put down a list and ask for help on something you don't need help
00:55:50.560
on? There's some other reason. It's definitely not identification. Why limit it to law enforcement?
00:55:59.200
Well, you don't want your stalker to have it. You know, there are reasons that facial recognition
00:56:06.260
probably needs to be limited. If you were to fast forward 20 years from now, yeah, it'll be ubiquitous
00:56:12.800
in 20 years. But at the moment, while we're feeling our way through the market,
00:56:17.280
I think limiting it to law enforcement makes sense. That's just a good guardrail for now.
00:56:28.740
Treating them like outlaws? Well, that's the point, is that they were breaking some laws.
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What is the freest place on earth? I don't know. Good question.
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Was there a poster of Antifa and BLM rioters? Probably. I mean, I wouldn't say there wasn't.
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That's why I'm saying the FBI just might have a process where it doesn't even matter if they've
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already been identified. There's just somebody's job it is to put things on posters. So maybe it's
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the person whose job it was to put things on a poster just went ahead and did it, even though
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it didn't have to happen. Treason needs to be dealt with. Well, here's the problem with treason.
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Treason would be helping China take over the United States. Unambiguous. And we'd all agree,
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well, there's some treason right there. There's a traitor. But what if there's a genuine and legitimate
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disagreement about who won the election and who is the one doing the coup? So if you're
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trying to take over the Capitol because you're trying to stop a coup, is that the same as taking
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over the Capitol because you are a coup? Because who was it who got to decide that the protesters were
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a coup versus people trying to stop a coup? Who got to decide? Well, social media, fake news.
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They get to decide. Now, you can say to me, but Scott, Scott, Scott, the protesters were operating under
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bad information. Bad information about the election having problems. And since there was no court case or
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official ruling that there was any problem, that therefore they're the treasonous ones. Now,
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wait a minute. That doesn't make any sense. If they were just mistaken, it's not treason.
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They were just mistaken. If they thought they were doing a counter coup to a coup that just took over
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the United States. They are patriots. They are misguided patriots. And the ones with the pipes
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broke the law and they will have to pay for that. But why were they doing it? Were they doing it
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because they thought they were overthrowing a legitimate government? Or did they do it because
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they thought they were stopping a coup, which would have been cheating in the election to get the wrong
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people elected? I think the minimum requirement to call somebody treasonous or a traitor is that
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they have to, in their own mind, be working against the best interests of the country. They would have
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to be working against our Constitution. In their minds, they were working for it. I won't say that's
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true of every single person with a pipe in their hand. But in general, they were working for the
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benefit of the country to keep the United States strong and to make sure that it had not fallen to
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a coup. That is literally the opposite of treason. That is opposite. Because the only thing that
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mattered is what they thought when they were doing it, in terms of how you label it. Now, in terms of
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what they were thinking when they did it, doesn't make any difference to the criminality of it.
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And unfortunately, we all have to accept that. Because you can't have a system where somebody with a pipe
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can get away with it because they had bad information. Right? If you kill your neighbor with a pipe and then
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later say, ah, I had bad information. I thought my lawyer, my neighbor did something bad. Turns out
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he didn't. But, you know, you can't convict me because in my mind, I thought I was actually doing
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a good thing. That doesn't work. You can't use that with the legal system. You just sort of have to
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blame the person who had the pipe in their hand or the whole system falls apart. But treason?
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Treason? Treason's an opinion and it's not based on any observation. Do you think there was anybody
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in that crowd who would have said to you, yeah, we do think Biden won fair and square, but still,
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we don't like it. So we're going to try to overthrow the government because even though the election was
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fair, we don't like the outcome. Do you think you could get even one person to say that? Literally
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one. Could you get one person to say that in that crowd? I'll bet not. I'll bet there wouldn't be
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one person who in their minds thought they were doing anything remotely like treason.
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They thought they were protecting the country. Now, why is it that somebody could be so uninformed
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according to other people? How could they be so uninformed according to social media and fake news?
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Well, could it be the information comes from the sources that don't give good information?
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fake news and social media. I would think they would be to blame. So that's enough for today.
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Nobody knows exactly where all this is going, but there is a breaking point. Nobody knows where it is,
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but there is a breaking point. Trump, I think, is a special case in every way. He's a special case.
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And he certainly was intentionally pushing, you know, pushing the boundary. He knew he was doing it. He
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knew the odds of him being banned were really high. So I'm not sure we can count him like everything else.
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But if you see me disappear, and I think that's at least a 50-50 chance, at least, maybe higher. If you
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see me disappear, that's the beginning, not the end. That's all I'm going to say. If I disappear,
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that's the beginning. And you'll know what to do at the time. All right, that's all for now.