Episode 1450 Scott Adams： Who is the Most Credible Voice on the Pandemic？ I Help You Sort it Out. And More Headline Fun.
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In this episode of the Coffee with Scott Adams, we discuss some mysteries which are not covered in the news, including: What happened to antifa? Why did the Olympics fail to live up to their potential? Why are the Chinese vaccines not as effective as they should be? What is happening with the coronavirus? And why is it that the Chinese vaccine is so much better than the rest of the world's?
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morning everybody what an amazing day and today will be one of the best coffees with scott adams
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ever because we have fun topics don't always sometimes the news does not cooperate but today
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yeah we got some good stuff it's worth staying around for and all you need to make this a special
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day well i think you know all you need is a cup of mugger a glass of tenker chelsea stein a canteen
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jug of flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid i like coffee and join me now
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better it's called a simultaneous sip and it's gonna happen now go
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i feel every corp bustle in my body coming alive because the corp bustles were a little bit dead
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until now well here's a here's some mysteries for you things which are unanswered in the news
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number one whatever happened to antifa did they get everything they wanted now i know they might
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be doing some stuff in portland but didn't it go from a big deal to nothing and before antifa
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what happened to occupy wall street and all the concern about the income inequality did that get
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fixed so there was no no need to protest anymore or is it possible that these are organizations that
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can be dialed up and dialed down by some hidden hands behind the scenes it feels like they only come
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out when you sort of need them politically black lives matter did they get everything they need or
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the police the police are doing a good job now right no more targeting of black motorists and
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pedestrians i don't think so so it feels as if there's somebody behind the scenes
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somebody just give me a thousand of something that looks like some other kind of money but i i read your
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comment um so is somebody is there something behind the scenes who can dial up black lives matter to
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protest or not protest because it feels like it that doesn't mean it's true but it's kind of a mystery
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everything but the news doesn't make them march so we got some mysteries here that are weirdly not being
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investigated by the news um and how about the biggest mystery of all why is it that china is not having a
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problem with the coronavirus is it because they did such a good job with masks and social distancing
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is that why because if that's why i'd like to see our scientists say yeah definitely mass and social
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distancing for some reason it works really well in china but it doesn't work in other places
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or not as well all right i think it works everywhere but not as well what would cause that is it because the
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chinese are so scared that they stay inside but correct me if i'm wrong the delta variant it's going
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to get you no matter where you are right how does china escape the delta variable
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kind of a mystery isn't it uh ian bremer mentioned on twitter that the chinese vaccination is especially
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not effective against the delta variant because other smaller countries use the chinese vaccination
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and they're not doing too well with their vaccination so on top of china not not having a problem with the
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coronavirus they also don't have an effective vaccination now i could understand why israel is doing well
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they got vaccinated although i think they're having a little setback at the moment
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so how is it that china has the worst vaccinations but the best outcomes do we have anything like a a press
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that could look into that because if the answer is they're really really good at social distancing
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shouldn't we be studying that every day to find out what they did because if they can social distance
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better we should do whatever they're doing seems to work there so i've got a feeling that there are a lot of
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mysteries that the news seems to be deeply uninterested in boy do they care about january 6 we'll get to that but
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first uh i'd like to give you an update on the olympics uh the olympics uh update is that it's still
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irrelevant and anachronistic and uh sexist that's the update simone biles injured her foot so she's out
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so the very important sport of you know jumping up and down and and uh hanging from stuff and flipping
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around sort of a an important human uh activity we won't be able to see the best in the world
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doing that and that's a tragedy and one more reason why the olympics should be discontinued
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was uh joe lockhart trying to dunk on jesse waters now here's what jesse water said that was
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the subject of a tweet um he said uh if you want to stop climate change this is what jesse water said
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i guess on the show on his show one of his shows if you want to stop climate change you don't fight
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climate change if it's getting warmer you adapt to it so the point here being that you know humans can
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adapt to a lot of stuff joe lockhart decides to mock jesse for that by saying jesse will be interviewing
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a dinosaur today to see how well they adapted to climate change you have to work hard to be this dumb
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that's right joe lockhart who might be the dumbest person in all of politics just decided to tweet in
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public that that jesse waters was dumb for saying that humans could adapt to climate changes now in
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this analysis from joe lockhart i believe he has compared the technologically proud the technology
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prowess of human beings and their ability to analyze and test and adapt with all their high technology and
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science he is comparing this to the high-tech science of dinosaurs and saying well if the
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dinosaurs with all their high-tech abilities couldn't adapt how in the world can you expect a human to do it
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if the if the dinosaurs couldn't do it how can a human do it i mean common sense just use your noggin jesse
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come on come on think a little harder if the dinosaurs couldn't pull it off
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how can humans i mean really same same thing humans dinosaurs now i think that jesse
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did make a mistake in his analysis because he's overlooking the dinosaur technology
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but i've looked into dinosaur technology and if you've ever looked at dinosaur twitter
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terrible user interface yeah the dinosaurs were terrible at the user experience and if you've
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ever seen a dinosaur iphone it's really it was hard for them to assemble them because their their
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hands are just like um you know tree trunks and so they're trying to assemble iphones and really
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it's more like a flat rock i mean you could call it an iphone but it's a dinosaur iphone it's a flat
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rock and you could try calling people on it but it's not going to work it's not going to work so
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dinosaur technology very bad just thought i'd let you know here's a good follow on twitter i like to
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recommend people who are especially interesting consistently uh raul davis ceo branding expert you
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can find him at at ceo underscore branding on twitter but uh he tweeted this he said harvard study shows up
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to 25 percent of people fear needles if vaccine were a gummy vitamin would more people get it now have you
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heard even one person say to you that they wouldn't get the vaccine because they're afraid of needles in the
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comments has anybody either made that decision themselves or have you heard anybody oh i see one
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yes i see a yes yes a friend wow holy cow maybe more than i thought so people would put their fear of the
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needle above their fear of the coronavirus okay well um three friends and a dad wow interesting now
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these would be the same people who do get vaccinations right they get the standard vaccinations for being in
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school and whatever so they must they must have a way to get past the needles if they have to uh but
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apparently if it's optional they're not going to do it so i love this question so and this is why you
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should follow uh raul davis because he he gets to the persuasion the persuasion and marketing and
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branding stuff he's real good at drilling down on that stuff so here's my question
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um and i'm going to talk about persuasion technique uh you're going to read into this more than i
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intend i'm not trying to persuade you to get vaccinated remember i think that would be unethical
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because i could do it i could persuade people to get vaccinated i do have that skill and i do have a
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voice right so i could i could convince some people if i wanted to do that but i definitely don't want to
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do that you know i see other people doing it it makes me very uncomfortable i get why they're doing
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it's they're well-intentioned but it's it just feels so unethical you know i'm not a doctor talk to your
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doctor i don't know what your risk is anyway i say that too often but i do like to talk about the
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persuasion you know dimension of how would you just for this the intellectual experiment how would you
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convince people who are hesitant the first thing you would have to know is that uh people are hesitant
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for completely different reasons and therefore your persuasion game would have to be crafted for
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each of those segments and i would say that the people who are um worried about the vaccinations
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and they're worried about the needle you would need something targeted for them i'll just i'll just
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throw out an idea because you would have to test a bunch of ideas against people to find out what
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actually worked so the best you can do as a persuader is usually just try something see what the response
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is and then try something else if that didn't work so it's usually trial and error kind of a process
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but here's one thing i would ask how many needles do you think you'll get if you get hospitalized
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and i don't know what the answer to that is can somebody give me an estimate maybe some of you
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have been hospitalized for a covet has anybody here been hospitalized for code there would be a few
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needles right um at least the iv i'm seeing some nope no but but depends if you get the uh the iv i guess
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yeah um yep no needles uh chance of dying yes but so you would you would multiply your chance of dying
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times how bad it is to get an expected value and well that didn't make sense but forget about that point
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all right so because people are irrational you know fear is largely irrational wouldn't you say
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fear of a physical needle would we all agree that's 100 percent irrational because the needle's never hurt
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anybody like the actual needle itself the physical needle i believe it's never hurt anybody
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oh interesting somebody said hypnosis to get people past needle fear you know what let me give you an
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example of an interesting hypothetical suppose i could come up with a reframing or a way to talk
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people out of fear of needles would that be ethical because i could do it generically just to make you not
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afraid of needles should you need one for your own reasons so it would be a a general thing but it would
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have the effect of getting more people vaccinated wouldn't it uh i'm saying a yes please um yeah
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um let me let me work on that i've never really put any thought in it but it's entirely possible that
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a reframe or even some some bit of exercise or something could get you past the needle thing
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you know i maybe i'll make a video on that because i feel like uh the only way to make that work
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is to make it a single point video in which somebody who's got that fear and wants to lose it
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uh can just watch that video and i'll think about that all right um here's a question given that
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a lot of the reasons for not getting vaccinated would be irrational and i think fear of needles would
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be an irrational reason other people have rational reasons and i don't deny that but some of them
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are irrational and here's a question would a monetary incentive work for people who are not yet
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vaccinated what what's your first reaction to that if i said suppose you just offered money
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you just said i'll just pay you to get vaccinated how many um well you haven't heard the amount have you
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i'll say three hundred dollars i'm just going to pick a number three hundred dollars to get
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vaccinated would anybody take it oh i say a couple of yeses so i'm going to ask only the people who are
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unvaccinated and maybe we're planning to stay that way if you're unvaccinated and you plan to stay that
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way would three hundred dollars change your mind anybody right now i'd expect mostly no right i'm
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saying just a wall of no no amount no amount because you're saying to yourself the reason i didn't do it
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the reason i didn't do it is because i've got this you know deadly risk possibly don't know how big it
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is could be tiny but it's an unknown um i see somebody who say yes for a thousand i doubt we could get to a
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thousand right all right here's here's a little persuasion tip for you all of you are answering rationally
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i believe which is to say in public if somebody says would you give up your i don't know your your
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belief about vaccines for 300 almost nobody will say yes to that in public predictably right because
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nobody's going to sell themselves out for such a small amount but suppose nobody's watching
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here's one of these things that you realize about human brains that you don't want to be true the
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next thing i say you don't want to be true but it's true privately if nobody was going to know what you
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did and you could get 300 for getting vaccinated some percentage of the people would do it they would
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because money influences everything all the time there's never an exception to it you could take
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almost any topic and offer almost any amount of money somebody is going to take it every time now
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it might be a small percentage but remember if you're trying to influence people toward vaccinations
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if you're trying to influence them everybody's a different reason maybe somebody can be bought
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one percent maybe but that helps right maybe some have a needle fear maybe you can shave a little of
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that off you know it's going to be a i think the reason that's going to it's going to be hard to get
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anybody else vaccinated is there's a whole bunch of different reasons it's not really one reason so
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you got to hit them all all right um let me ask you this would there be would it be illegal or even
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impractical for health insurance companies to start charging more for the unvaccinated i'm not
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recommending it it's not a recommendation just a question would that make a difference suppose your insurance
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and why wouldn't they really now somebody says it's illegal and i would i would uh point out that the
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government makes the laws right so let's say it's illegal congress can change that right they're
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mostly private entities can't they set their prices based on their expenses if they know that there is
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going to cost them more why not now well some of you could say oh but if you start doing that
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you have to charge more for people who are overweight you have to charge more for people who don't
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exercise what about the smokers blah blah the drinkers blah blah here's the difference you can't
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track that other stuff reliably you can't really track if somebody's drinking you can't really track
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if they're eating right because that would have to be some kind of self-reporting etc but the vaccination
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system i believe is all in a central database is it not isn't that something you get a card and you
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can kind of prove it so it's different than almost anything else because if the insurance companies
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have access to that database they just match you to the database i think you gave your social security
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number when you got vaccinated did you do that i know you gave your driver's license right just the
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driver's license i think so you probably could just match people and just give them you know
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you know just give them a higher price if they're unvaccinated if that corresponds to your actual
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expenses now who would complain about that if it was based on data you know if you wanted to be remain
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unvaccinated but you also believed that private companies can set their prices based on risk
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would you have a problem with them setting their price based on what they perceive to be the risk
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if it costs you a little more you still get you still get your preference which is you're
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unvaccinated but you'd pay for it because it's a little more expensive over overall not for you
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specifically yeah all right i did a uh i did a very unscientific poll a series of them a competition
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with uh brackets to see who you trust the most for pandemic opinions because who you trust the
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most is therefore the person who could persuade the most effectively sort of a hypothesis the hypothesis
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is that whoever you trust the most is also the most persuasive so here's here are the names that i put in
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my highly unscientific poll and i'll tell you why it's just uh completely uh polluted with uh polling
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errors but uh i first asked people just to tell me who they who they were getting their information
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from and that seeded the actual poll itself so the names that came up the most were uh governor de
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santis tucker carlson brett weinstein dr scott atlas dr fauci alex berenson trump steve bannon dr sanjay
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gupta i threw him in there so we'd have a cnn doctor peter navarro nassim taleb and then i put myself
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there because i talk about this a lot so in the in the early rounds i actually did pretty well
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i think i won i won i won my bracket in the uh quarterfinals uh which is uh funny but here was
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the biggest surprise trump doesn't do well for pandemic opinions which means that even his supporters
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understand that you're not going to get your medical opinions from trump he is a uh unrepentant
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hyperbole machine and you don't get your medical advice from a salesman right you can love trump
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and and love his way you know in his sort of perpetual optimism and win it all costs and everything you can
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like that but it's not free right it's not free what comes with it is that he's not the best uh voice for
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medical decisions you can love trump and still say he's just not where i'm going to get my medical
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advice it's just the wrong place so i think that's consistent and i was surprised that politics and
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just you know maybe some loyalty for trump because a lot of trump supporters in in my twitter um but he
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didn't do well at all and i think that's a good thing i think that's a good thing people understand
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politics versus uh versus medicine but the winners as of last time i checked were governor de santis
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seemed to have swept through his categories and dominated against tucker carlson who was the other
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semi-finalist and uh 63 last i checked anyway were voting for the governor now uh alex berenson
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didn't do so well um i think he came down the maybe the lower half in the end something like that maybe
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in the middle somewhere and there didn't seem to be much of a correlation between uh experience and
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credibility the people who had doctor in front of their names didn't do so well not uh not dr fauci
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but also not dr scott atlas not dr sanjay gupta now in reality in reality i think you would probably
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take their advice over a journalist right wouldn't you if you if you were standing in a room next to
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an actual doctor like md and the other one was tucker carlson would you really take tucker's advice
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over the doctor like if you're in the room i don't think so i suppose it would depend you know
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maybe on something like masks you might go with tucker but um so first of all the this unscientific
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poll has no no validity unless there's some overwhelming kind of thing that comes out of it
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and i would say the overwhelming thing that comes out of it is that ron de santis uh is a real strong
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contender for president because if you can look to a politician think about this he's a governor and
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he was on the list with um three doctors and you know nassim talib who's you know famous for his
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rationality um you know alex berenson who obviously digs into this pretty deeply uh brett weinstein again
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you know brilliant guy digs into it pretty deeply and still and still a governor just swept the field
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now i think it's people sort of maybe also favoring him for president i think that's what's happening
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here so i would say at this point if trump does not decide to run for president and i think there's some
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chance he won't my guess is he's leaning toward running but if he doesn't uh i think de santis is
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just he's just going to walk into the at least into the primaries and how he does will depend entirely on
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how florida does with the coronavirus so if florida does okay with the coronavirus or at least you can
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make that case uh he would be president and if if if it's easy to make the case that florida didn't
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work the democrats will certainly try to make that case then he's going to have a tough road because
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it's all going to come down to the coronavirus uh but de santis is really he's really separated from
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the crowd right now who would you if it's not trump running as a republican in 2024 who else is
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even close to de santis right now popularity i don't think anybody all right um vaccine mandates
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looks like they're coming the other va is going to do it and 50 medical groups requiring it of the
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employees and california state employees in new york city municipal workers and and even the sfr
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san francisco bar owners were thinking about doing it for the bars so this is one of the reasons
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um that i got vaccinated again not trying to convince you to do it but it was obvious early on that you
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were going to need to show that you were vaccinated for a variety of things now is that a good enough
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reason to get vaccinated no no don't get vaccinated just so you can have some extra access that's not the
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reason but it's our reason and uh and in my case which doesn't need to be your case again not trying
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to talk into anything um it mattered because i was sort of desperate to get back to something that looked
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like real life i wanted to live my life with as many lack of restrictions as i could if that doesn't mean as
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much to you then um by all means choose differently um oh back to desantis here's his problem florida
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counts for one in five new infections at the moment and uh it had uh i think it's like second only to
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louisiana a number of cases and so they're they're having a real problem there and desantis is hanging
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tough with no no masks in schools when schools reopen and i feel like he can't win either way sort
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of a trap because if if the infections are high which they're going to be and he doesn't clamp down
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then all the moderates are going to say ah you know he should have clamped down he's just being
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political you know holding out as long as he can for republicans but now it's so bad maybe he should
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have clamped down now i'm not saying those people would be right or wrong but they might not vote for
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him if they think they're not he's not doing his job so almost no matter what he does if he requires
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masks um republicans won't like him if he doesn't require masks in the face of uh having one of the
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worst infection rates which is where he's heading or is um he's losing other people so he's got two
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ways to lose on this and the only way he could win is if the virus itself went into remission
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i don't know he's gonna i don't think he's gonna get enough vaccinations for that to happen
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all right let's talk about the so-called house select committee sounds pretty important doesn't it
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this is the people looking into the january 6th thing uh which the republicans describe as a
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partisan sham so is it the house select committee or is it the partisan sham committee i think we should
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brand this the partisan sham committee two republicans that uh nancy pelosi put on it are the two most
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anti-republican republicans anti-republican republicans liz cheney and adam kinzinger guaranteeing
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that whatever result will not be credible now why would you put together such a you know high
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visibility thing uh the pelosi select committee yes that's what it is pelosi selected um how can you do
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such a high visibility thing that's just guaranteed to be a bullshit partisan sham how does that help
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democrats the answer is a lot because the more they can make the news about their partisan sham which
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is you know they're going to focus on the violence of the republicans etc it's great for politics so it
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has nothing to do with the good of the country i think at this point but great for politics so i would
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say persuasion wise pelosi gets a a plus for persuasion she just has to keep it in the news that's all
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and she's doing it um is it ethical no no not even close it's nowhere near an ethical but it's effective
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so if you want to be an unethical persuader there's a good example how to do it here's the dog that wasn't
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barking and i thought it was interesting at the same time that the uh partisan sham committee is
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looking into january 6 there was an article about uh the same topic on cnn what word do you expect them
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to use when they're talking about the january 6 events insurrection right can you imagine that there
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would ever be a you know a lengthy article about january 6 on cnn with cnn contributors that would
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never mention the word insurrection it happened it happened today zachary cohen and marshall cohen
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um they wrote an article on cnn and it's a lengthy article talking about a number of issues and never once
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did they call it an insurrection did they call it an insurrection why well i think the fact that nobody
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got charged with anything related to insurrection may have something to do with it maybe the fact that no
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court has found any insurrection just the way no court has found any massive voter fraud no court has found
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any insurrection i don't think anybody's been charged with insurrection so i think at some point cnn had
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to drop that and maybe these two writers are to their credit credible and ethical i mean i don't know them
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but i would just judge based on the fact that they wrote an article on cnn without using the word
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insurrection i would give them some credibility for that i would say that that's probably an ethical stand
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and i would be really curious if the cnn editors ever asked them to use it do you think do you think
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there was ever a conversation they turned in their piece do you think the editor who decides whether it
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goes on to the site or not do you think the editor read it and said you know you know what would make
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this better one word can you just slip that in there i don't know if that happened of course but
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if it did happen these two writers must have held out so i'm guessing they deserve some credit but i
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don't know that for sure so pop star pink made a great persuasion play today so there's this uh
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olympic uh controversy because there was a i guess one of the beach volleyball teams wanted to wear shorts
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instead of uh bikini bottoms and i guess the olympics was rejecting that and wanted them to
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wear the traditional bikini bottoms because i think you all know that um the sport of beach volleyball
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isn't nearly as good unless you can see as much of the female participants buttocks as possible
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i think that's the argument the olympics is making that you have to see as much buttocks as possible
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or the sport doesn't work is that their argument because they don't have a good argument let's put it that
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way and um pink pop star pink has offered to pay the fines handed to the norwegian women's beach team
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for not wearing the bikini bottles bottoms now i don't know how much the fines will be it can't be
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that much i would imagine but what a smart play for pink puts her in the news in a positive light
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she is she's not just bitching about it she's like doing something you know pay the fine which
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is actually a very practical thing to do because it allows other people to do the same thing gives
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them freedom to do that so good play pink i give you an a plus for persuasion she saw an opening and she
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took it now let's talk about the topic um has anybody ever had this experience do any of you have
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daughters who participated in volleyball in high school have any of you gone to a volleyball tournament
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of young girls and were you as uncomfortable there as i was because i've been through that experience
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it's really uncomfortable because the girls there are very young you know 14 to 17 or whatever is the
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tournaments and they wear these um inexplicably tight short shorts the volleyball players wear for no no
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functional reason it's not like they need you know extra uh you know extra wind resistance or something
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there's just no reason and it's it looks totally sexualized like and it's just really creepy and
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the volleyball thing in the olympics is exactly the same thing beach volleyball was a tv sport because the
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women were scantily dressed i mean that was certainly part of the sport 60 let's be honest
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beach volleyball is only a sport because the players look good in bikinis right i mean that was the sport
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basically it's a it's a spectator sport so um i agree with pink and um i think it's i think it should
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change i i think that athletes should dress like athletes i don't think athletes should dress like
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strippers like what the hell somebody says men's swimmers suits swimming is the one thing and maybe
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running if there's a speed element skiing you know you can see that they need tight clothes because
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they got some wind resistance and stuff but i don't know that your whole body needs to be hanging out
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does it now i'm far from a prude but you know especially in the case of high school you're
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talking about young girls so all right different topic uh famous critic of uh
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covid related uh policies alex berenson tweeted today a question i don't know if it makes any sense
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i'll just run it by you uh he said hold on here folks what if they're not vaccines i don't mean in
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the conspiracy sense i mean legally if they're therapeutics no one can be forced to take them
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not without an individual core order and finding of incompetency is that true that doesn't really
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connect to anything i'm aware of but i but the problem might be just what i'm aware of i don't
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know that it doesn't make sense i just don't understand it is there some kind of law that says
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the government can force you to take something called a vaccination but they can't force you to take
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something called a therapeutic is there anything to that and uh would it matter because you know congress
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can change the law and the courts can interpret it to be anything they want so i would think that a
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court could just say i see your point but i'm just going to call it a vaccine because it gives you
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some lasting immunity not complete so i'll just put a question mark on this because i don't think
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it'll matter in the long run we'll just redefine them as vaccines if they're not if the if there's a
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practical reason to do that so i got into a little conversation on twitter with paul graham you might
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know paul graham a famous venture capitalist co-founder of y combinator writer one of the more productive
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thinkers i would say in the country um and always has good opinions i would say so we got into a little
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bit of a opinion disagreement here um i think i i tweeted something about how people don't trust scientists
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that's and other and politicians and social media etc and that's why they don't get vaccines they
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don't trust the scientists or don't trust science um and paul graham tweeted this he says if if you
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think you don't trust scientists you're mistaken you trust scientists in a million different ways
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every time you step on a plane or for that matter turn on your tap or open a can of beans
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the fact that you're unaware of this doesn't mean it's not so so do he and i really have a disagreement
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not really we're sort of sort of into you know word thinking here but i said i trust engineers
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because an engineer needs to keep that that airplane in the air every time right the engineer has to get
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it right every time and so they don't do anything unless it's been tested to death right that's that's
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what engineers do so by the time an engineer tells you something works it works i mean not every time but
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pretty close and that's that's what engineering is but scientists by their nature are flailing around
00:41:05.640
with hypotheses and testing things and 50 of the uh of the peer-reviewed studies end up to be
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bullshit right so science science is working in the speculative just guessing hey this looks like a
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good trial let's try this kind of realm of course they're going to make more mistakes and even when
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they've done something like create a vaccine yeah they still don't disagree they don't still agree on
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everything right there are always going to be some scientists on the other side um you know
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i would say there's more likelihood of a vaccine having a side effect than there is of an engineer
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building a bridge that falls down so i tend to trust engineers but not so much science or scientists
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although science as a process is the best one we have right you don't have to trust something
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you can still say it's the best you have if it's the best you have and science is the best we have
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it just has lots of you know inefficiencies like lots of things so uh claire layman weighed in and
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on the side of well i don't know maybe just making your own point and said that science technology and
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engineering and mathematics stem are grouped together for a reason to which i said the reason is not
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based on their similar levels of credibility yeah there's a reason but it's not relevant to the discussion
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anyway i think this was just word thinking i don't think any of us would disagree if we're
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standing in the same room talking about it michael schellenberger points out there's a there's a
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forbes article that germany's renewable experiment is over he says in the tweet uh so michael says that
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by 2025 uh germany will have spent 580 billion dollars to make electricity nearly two times more expensive
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and ten times more carbon intensive than france's we're not so good now i would say that germany has one
00:43:14.840
gigantic management problem i don't think germans are irrational but they're kind of caught in this
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whole uh holocaust legacy where if you're germany i think you have to be better than good people
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like i think you have to be the greenest of the green the the most anti-racist of any anti-racist
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the most progressive in in whatever ways makes sense i feel as if they got trapped by their own
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history that you know they can't tiptoe into renewables they've got to be like oh we're so
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green we're the greenest of green we'll save the world yeah we tried to destroy the world but we're
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saving the world now gonna save the world and i feel like that skews their decision making
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and if you say to me hey i want you know germany to have a bunch of nuclear power plants
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it just sounds a little scary doesn't it if you've got the you know the specter of world war ii is
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still in your mind i don't know how much nuclear anything i want them to have but i assume they have
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nuclear power but um yeah there there's a there's a guilt issue that i think is affecting their decision
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making don't know for sure but i would speculate that to be the case seems reasonable all right
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have i covered everything uh why did the germans import muslims by the millions
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if they care about anti-semitism obviously they don't want to be racist
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was that a hard question i think you overpaid for that um
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oops wow these comments are flinging by uh yeah germany does have nuclear power but they're going
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as green as they can go i think they were looking to close their nuclear plants if they could do it
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need to call it new generation nuclear or something that improves the framing
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there's nothing green about wind turbines and solar panels
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um your response to anti-semitism and muslims did not make sense could you clarify
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in what way do importing racists into your society well muslims are not presumed to be racist
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that's it why would you presume anybody's racist
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just because some members of a group are clearly racist that's every group
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so and here i'm being devil's advocate you know you're i'm taking germany's point of view
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if you're germany you have to be the the wokest you can be which means that you don't judge anybody
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based on the fact that some of them might be bad
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but if you're telling me statistically is it a good play
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uh we don't use statistics to make those decisions
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see farina says i still love you but the muslims hate the jews in their bible
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love you well there there's certainly a reason to believe that uh
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many muslims have bad feelings about many jews so nobody's arguing that but the point is if you
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make decisions like that you're a racist and germany doesn't want to be a racist so they have two bad
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choices and they picked the one that looks the least bad to them it's best you can do i'm not
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defending it i'm just saying that they're they're in a position where they have to be the the least
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racist looking they could possibly be and they decided that's what that's what looks the least
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racist they've decided you could argue that i think um
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all right it's their doctrine well here's the thing
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i i get the i get the idea that especially in other countries you know muslims have an attitude
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about jews that's just not going to go away and it's not good but unless they all have it
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you're being a racist if you don't let them in for that reason all right
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it's a slippery slope i'm not saying it's not dangerous you know there's a certain risk that
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you take on with any mass immigration and they've decided to take that risk all right that's about all
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i got for today i'm going to go do some other stuff and i will talk to you tomorrow