Episode 1594 Scott Adams： Proof We Live in a Simulation, and My Interview With Dale About January 6
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Summary
75 members of Congress invested in companies that were almost guaranteed to go up because of what the government was voting on. And only 75 of them were smart enough to know it was legal to do so. What the hell is wrong with Congress?
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Well, welcome to the best thing that's ever happened to you.
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We call this Coffee with Scott Adams, in large part because I'm Scott Adams and there will be coffee.
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But, I think we'd all agree that no matter what you're drinking here, this is the best thing that's ever happened to you and anybody, really.
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I haven't done a complete survey, but it feels like common sense.
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And if you'd like to take it up a notch, then boy, do we have a show for you today.
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And to enjoy it at its maximum capacity, all you need is a cup or a mug or a glass or a tank or a chalice or a stein, a canteen jug or a flask, a vessel of any kind.
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Fill it with your favorite liquid, I like coffee.
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It's the thing that makes everything better, including the simulation.
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It's called the simultaneous sip and it happens now, go.
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Well, I don't have many rules in my household, but one of the most important rules is don't make loud noises from 7 to 8 in the morning.
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So if you could hear that shower that's running in the wall right next to me, that would be somebody in my house who's violating the cardinal rule, the prime directive.
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Well, today we learned that 75 members of Congress invested in companies that were related to the pandemic, companies that have a direct stake in the nation's response to the pandemic.
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There are 75 members of Congress who bought stock in companies that were almost guaranteed to go up because of what the government was voting on.
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Well, I'm shocked because I was hoping there were more than 75 smart people in Congress.
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My God, are you telling me that out of 400 whatever of these assholes, it was completely legal, apparently, completely legal to invest in the very companies that they were guaranteeing were going to quadruple in value.
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Let's take a list of the 75, keep them, and get rid of all the other fucking idiots.
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Because really, if it's legal, they should all be doing it, or it should not be legal.
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If it's legal, do it, document it, show it to us.
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Then I might think you have some, you know, ability to predict.
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But if you're not doing this, and it's totally legal, and it's obvious, and it's free money, and 435 members of Congress, 75 smart ones.
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Now, I'd like to think that the other members resisted for ethical reasons.
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Do you think the other members of Congress resisted for ethical reasons?
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I have a feeling they just aren't good at investing.
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Well, it's getting harder and harder to be a Democrat these days.
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Now that the Democrats have decided that the Build Back Better bill might go on the shelf.
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We tried, but we're going to have to put that back on the shelf.
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So they thought instead of that, they'll try to pivot and try to get something done.
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Does the election reform include the ability to fully audit our votes in real time, or very quickly,
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so that we can have full transparency in our elections?
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Do you know why no politician wants actual good reform?
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Because everybody who got elected, wait for it, wait for the big reveal.
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Everybody who is currently elected, got elected under the current situation.
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Why would anybody want to change the thing that got them elected?
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Nobody wants to change the thing that got them elected.
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The people who should have nothing to do with election reform are people who got elected under the current system.
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We've actually delegated the job the most, I would say, is it too far to say a sacred mission?
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I mean, the core engine of the democratic republic in which we live, the driving engine of the most important country in the world, according to Americans.
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And we've delegated it to the only people who should not be involved in that in any way.
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Yeah, we're acting like that's perfectly natural.
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That the only people who shouldn't be working on this are exactly the people we delegated it to?
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There's a shower running in the room next to me.
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And I'm disappointed in all of you for not listening to Matt.
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So I love the fact that Kyrsten Sinema is not supporting the filibuster reform.
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Under the perfectly good theory that if you do that, it's just going to rip apart the republic, basically.
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And everybody will just undo what the other party did and it'll just be a mess.
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What are the odds that one of the people involved in two movies on one screen, her last name would be?
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Well, if you didn't think we lived in a simulation, there's a story coming up that will prove that we are.
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Ways to determine if somebody is telling you the truth.
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And I saw this example in the Joe Rogan interview with Dr. McCullough.
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I'm not saying that Dr. McCullough is wrong about anything.
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I'm going to tell you that he flipped a switch that I consider a strong tell for lying or being wrong.
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Lying is imagining I could read somebody's mind.
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So, I have no information that he would be lying about anything.
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But, a strong indication that what he's saying is not necessarily true, which doesn't mean he's lying, right?
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Scott, can you give me the evidence to support your point?
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There are thousands of citations in several books.
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Scott, give me the evidence for your point of view.
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There's so much evidence, we're swimming in evidence.
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There's like thousands of studies and citations and details and footnotes.
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They're across four different books, and you should read them all.
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I hope that you're smart enough not to believe that.
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Here's what the truth would look like, just hypothetically.
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Scott, give me the evidence supporting your point of view.
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All right, well, I'm saying there's a conspiracy.
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There's an email that shows that person one talked to person two, who was in charge of this decision.
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So we can see the email, it's been confirmed, it's real.
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And this email says, go ahead and do this bad thing.
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And then the person who did the bad thing replied to the email and said, I'm going to do the bad thing.
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And then we measured the thing to see if it was bad, and sure enough, it happened.
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I don't want to say honest, because I have no evidence that the good doctor is saying anything he doesn't believe.
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It's another thing to be lying, and nobody's accusing him of that.
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So, for all of you who are pretty sure that Dr. McCullough has the goods,
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and that Joe Rogan heard them, and you heard McCullough tell him to Joe Rogan,
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can you explain for me why it can't be summarized?
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Basically, here's the summary of this bullshit detection point.
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Ted Cruz has an anti-critical race theory e-book,
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had a fight back against teaching it in schools.
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If there are any Democrats watching, what did you just say in your head?
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How many times do we have to tell you that CRT is a college-level course?
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If that, it's based on some theories that are certainly not being taught in the K-12.
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There is no critical race theory being taught in K-12.
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Say, every Democrat who has been hypnotized by the news.
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Is it true that CRT is not being taught in K-12 schools, period?
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There's no critical race theory being taught in any K-12 school.
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The concepts that are related to or come from critical race theory
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are being taught in K-12 in a fairly widespread manner.
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Things that overlap with and are similar to and may be suggested by,
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are being taught in K-12 in a fairly widespread way.
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In one, there's no critical race theory in K-12.
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They just don't use that label because it's the wrong label.
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So the Republicans are walking directly into the trap
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This is what the Ted Cruz's of the world should do
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if it is their intention to fight against the critical race theory stuff.
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Instead of saying we want to get rid of critical race theory in schools,
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they should say we want to get rid of teachings that overlap with critical race theory
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or teachings that are inspired by or teachings that are, let's say,
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Because if you don't add modifiers, people are just talking about the word choice.
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Have I mentioned that Ron DeSantis is like a frickin' success machine Republican-wise?
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Democrats will disagree with that characterization.
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But if you're a Republican, I'm not, so I'm just speaking as an observer here.
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But if you're a Republican, Ron DeSantis is just a machine.
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He's just pumping out one perfect move after another.
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Does anybody disagree with that characterization?
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I've never seen anything like it, to be honest.
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I've never seen a politician just walk up to bat about once every two weeks
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Like, he's just hitting, sorry, this is a baseball reference.
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But it's like he's getting up to bat and he's hitting the first pitch
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And then you think to yourself, well, that's something people can do
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Then he gets up to bat and he hits another one.
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And he's up to, like, what, 14 of these in a row or something?
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Where he'll find some national topic that at least, you know, his party,
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And then just come up with the perfect response.
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And so they're going to have some legislation proposed anyway
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to make it possible for parents to sue, I think, the school
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if there's any critical race theory-related stuff there.
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Yeah, so he's hitting frozen ropes into the gap.
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The frozen rope and then it's sort of, yeah, it's a nested analogy.
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And so DeSantis is framing it as a no tax dollars to teach kids to hate each other.
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No tax dollars to teach kids to hate each other.
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It would have looked like, well, you know, there's a concept of the thing and it's in a book
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and somebody talked about it and there are 15 citations and if you have the time you should go look into it.
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He said directly, no tax dollars to teach kids to hate each other.
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It's not the only thing that it teaches, right?
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You know, let's give some credit to the intention.
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The intention, I think, is to make the world a better place.
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It just doesn't do it in a way that has greater benefits than costs, according to Republicans.
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Watching CNN spin bullshit into gold is so entertaining.
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The coverage will produce absolutely nothing and CNN will treat it like there was something.
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And I'm watching the opinion people try to, you know, try to cook this into something.
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They've got a little cup of water and they're trying to make dinner with it.
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And they're thinking, all right, where's the other ingredients for my soup?
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And the network's saying, well, this time no ingredients.
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But it's your job to make people who are watching think that cup of water is full of beef.
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And so I would like to, if I may, interview my Democrat operative.
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And Dale will explain to me the breaking stories, the blockbusters that just recently came out about January 6th.
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I would like to ask you a few questions about the January 6th blockbuster reports.
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Well, I keep seeing there's some kind of blockbuster news.
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But then I read the news and I'm not actually seeing the blockbuster.
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Let me explain it to you in the simplest way so that even a Republican can understand it.
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It's now proven, and the proof positive is that there was an email from Hannity to Mark Meadows saying that the president should call off the riots and therefore insurrection.
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Okay, Hannity sent an email, but that doesn't really seem to be in any way related to your point that there was an insurrection.
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There are two facts, or there's a claim and then there's a fact.
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Can you just, like, connect the claim to the fact?
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But I don't know if I can make this any simpler.
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It's proof that President Trump is an insurrectionist because there's an email, and if one email isn't enough, there were three.
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There were three emails, and President Trump is an insurrectionist.
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My problem is that the one email didn't seem connected to the point, but having three of those emails that are also not connected to the point you're making,
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Is that because you're watching all the fake news on Fox News?
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All right, let me tell you a story that proves the simulation exists.
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Was there a topic you were expecting me to talk about this morning?
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Was there something that happened yesterday that you're thinking, I'll bet Scott's going to mention that today.
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Well, let me tell you a little story in case you missed it.
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So yesterday, I said to myself, man, I am so overstimulated.
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Talking about the news, I did two live streams yesterday, and my head was just full of stuff, and I had several issues I had to work on.
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I had a whole bunch of scheduling things, and I just said to myself, I'm going to take a day off of Twitter.
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So after I did my morning stuff, I thought, I'm going to go for a long walk.
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And for the first time, and I don't remember how long, I'm just going to not check Twitter for maybe the rest of the night.
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I can't even think of a time I've ever done that.
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And as I was walking, I was feeling great, because once the stimulation was behind me, I was just outdoors in the quiet.
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So I'm taking a nice walk to clear my mind, and I had this distinct feeling, which I've had before, that I was in a simulation,
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and that I was an avatar, and that I was being watched by perhaps the creator of the simulation, or the game player, or whatever's happening.
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And so, I talked out loud to the creators of the simulation, and I said, this is actually true, by the way.
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And I'll tell you, I'm never going to lie to you if I tell you, I'm telling you the truth.
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Like, if I say directly, you don't have to worry about it.
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So, I said to my, I actually talked out loud, and I said,
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And I said specifically, if it's really a simulation, I'm going to need to show that I can author it.
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In other words, I can make something happen that only the simulation could explain.
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So, that actually happened yesterday in the afternoon.
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And I stayed off Twitter for a few hours, and I was feeling good about it, and I got a text
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Almost never do I get a text telling me to look at Twitter.
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Because usually, I'm on Twitter, so I've already seen it.
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Somebody would just DM me on Twitter or something.
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And so, I looked at the message, and it was a message that Elon Musk had added in the string of tweets
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about Elizabeth Warren, where he was calling her Senator Karen.
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We were all having a good laugh about that yesterday.
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Somebody asked him something about, I don't know, me or Dilbert, and Elon Musk tweeted this.
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You use it all the time to illustrate that we're doing something wrong at Tesla, SpaceX.
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Now, of course, when the richest person tweets something about you, in this case about Dilbert,
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a lot of people noticed it and called it out to me.
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Now, you are aware that the person most famous for promoting the idea that we live in a simulation
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And the one day that I'm waiting for a sign that we live in a simulation,
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Now, that by itself wouldn't be the biggest coincidence in the world, right?
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Twitter user Prane Pathol, I hope I'm pronouncing that somewhere close to the name.
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He says, do you sometimes feel like you're living in a Dilbert cartoon simulation?
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So the person most famous for saying we live in a simulation
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is tweeting in front of the world that he feels like he's living in a simulation that I created.
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So after I saw Elon's tweet, I think it was like, I don't know, some, it was in the middle
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Those of you who like to sleep in, you call it night.
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But I think people like Elon Musk and people like me who hate sleep, we call that the morning.
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And so I tweeted back at Elon when he said that he does feel like he lives in a Dilbert cartoon simulation.
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You aren't scheduled to become self-aware until after I finished drawing the Mars colony.
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I don't even know what to say about this story.
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You know, this is one of those stories where you just put it out there and you just have
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Anyway, that was the favorite story of the day.
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Now, if it's a graph and it's on Twitter, what do you know about it?
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It's information about the pandemic and it's a graph and it's on Twitter.
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I don't know if I mentioned it's on Twitter, but it's not just a graph.
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And this graph was something I'd been wanting to see for a long time, which is the difference
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in the death rates from COVID between Republicans and Democrats.
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And somebody found a way to do that, actually, which was to use the voting records of different
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counties as the proxy and then look at the infection rates in those counties versus
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And it showed that most recently, the Republican line of COVID deaths is way above, way above
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So I hope you're not doubting the credibility of it.
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Did I tell you it's a graph and it's on Twitter?
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I mean, if you hear those two things, we should be done here.
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If they see it's a graph on Twitter, they're, oh, that's true.
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Well, here are a few things that might be wrong with that graph on Twitter.
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Number one, if you monkey with the y-axis, you can make small differences look like really
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Do you remember the Democrats telling us that the gas prices have dropped precipitously?
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Well, if you monkey with the y-axis, it looks like that.
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You know, only went down, I guess, a dime so far.
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Second thing you need to know is they didn't adjust for age.
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But let's say this isn't too far from the rest of the world.
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The Republican voters are close to eight years older on average than Democrat voters.
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Would eight years, if that were the only difference, eight years of difference, would that explain
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Well, eight years wouldn't be the biggest difference, would it?
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You know, 20 years would be pretty noticeable for sure.
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But eight years would be a smaller difference, you would predict.
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But you could make that look pretty big, couldn't you?
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Somebody said nine out of ten of the red states are, you know, the fattest in the country.
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If the only thing you were measuring was how people did by weight, would that graph look
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It might, especially if you play with the y-axis, right?
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So, I would love to see, and then I asked, in response to that tweet, I asked, I'd like
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Suppose they did the same thing except by race, and do it the same way, you know, use
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representative voting clusters or something, or just, I guess, census data, to find out
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if the areas with the most black population have higher infections or lower.
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Now, if I'm right about this, and I believe you get kicked off of Twitter if you say this
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wrong, so if I say something that's not true here, my understanding is that I could get
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And one of the things that I think is not allowed is to suggest that any ethnic groups have a different
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outcome, which I don't entirely understand because I need a fact check on this, but my understanding
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is that it was mainstream understanding that there was a different outcome, and that black
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I thought that was just well understood, but give me a fact check, so I have to act like
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I don't know that's true, or else I'll get bumped off of Twitter, I think, according to the
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So, what would happen if you saw two graphs, hypothetically, they're graphs on Twitter,
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they're both graphs on Twitter, one of them is just the one you saw, the Republicans versus
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Democrats, showing that Republicans have worse outcomes, according to that graph.
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That's a graph on Twitter, so you know it's very, very credible.
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But suppose you did that side-by-side with one by race, and specifically compared just black
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and white, just to keep it simple, and suppose it showed a similarly appalling difference,
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like an alarming difference in outcome, where the black Americans were dying at, you know,
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How would the news interpret those two outcomes?
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Well, let me tell you, they would look at the Republicans versus Democrat, and they'd
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say, well, that's proof that Republicans are stupid, because they're not getting the vaccine.
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Well, all those Republicans are dying, because they're not getting the vaccination, because
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How would they spin the one that showed that the black Americans are less vaccinated than
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Why is it so racist that we can't get more vaccinations to black Americans?
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Those two things would just be interpreted completely differently.
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I don't know that either of them would be right, but you know that that's the way it
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All right, that is all the excitement that I had planned for today.
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I feel like there was one other thing that was happening that I'm forgetting about.
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How many of you think ivermectin works against COVID?
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And how many of you have heard the hypothesis from pretty smart people that it may look like
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it worked because of a combination of some large studies that were actually fraudulent or
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didn't exist, plus the experience with countries where they had some internal worms?
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So I guess if you've got a parasite in your stomach and you've got COVID, you're more likely
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So the people who took the ivermectin probably were getting rid of a comorbidity, if that's
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the right word for it, instead of getting rid of the virus.
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But that would give you the same improvement in life expectancy.
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So how many of you knew that, that there is an explanation of why it would appear that
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I'm saying that's the official take on it right now.
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In the comments, how many of you had heard that ivermectin might look like it works and
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It's a couple of big fake studies that are skewing the rest, along with the ivermectin
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cleaning up the comorbidity of the parasites in the stomachs.
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So I think Scott Alexander apparently was talking about it.
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He's one of the smartest people on the internet.
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I'm saying that now we have a pretty reasonable-sounding hypothesis for why it could look like it's
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The longer we go without even one city or municipality completely getting rid of COVID
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with either hydroxychloroquine, with some other stuff, or with ivermectin,
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the longer we go without even one example of a city, a county, somebody just squashing it.
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And the odds of it really being effective against COVID, specifically, are pretty low.
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I would say I'd put the odds of both of them at 10%.
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But I'd say the odds that either hydroxychloroquine or, in any confrontation with anything else,
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or ivermectin works against coronavirus, I started down at well over 50% when we were first hearing about it.
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When I heard that there were lots of studies and that the meta-analysis would make it look good,
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I said, you know, I don't really trust meta-analysis.
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You know, if I'd gotten COVID when Joe Rogan got COVID, oh, I'd take the ivermectin.
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But it was the right decision, you know, from the perspective of looking back.
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and I'd heard this stuff about, well, it doesn't look like the indications of it working are true,
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would I take it today if there's only a 10% chance?
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So if there's almost zero side effects and 10% chance it might work,
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and I'm not saying it would work 10%, like it would work a little bit.
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I'm saying there's only a 10% chance it has any effect that you'd notice.
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You know, at 10%, I guess maybe if my doctor said so, I'd probably try it,
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But I wouldn't be counting on it, that's for sure.
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I definitely wouldn't be putting the Regeneron off.
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Oh, by the way, an update on my friend who had a bad turn with COVID.
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He was denied Regeneron until about 10 days into it
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because there was some guideline about when you can give it early and when you can't.
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But they bent the rules, and he got the Regeneron.
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And I don't know if it was the Regeneron that regenerated him,
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but that was about the turning point, and now he's on the mend.
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You know, he got a little lingering symptoms, but I think the virus is cleared.
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Well, I am aware, we talked about this extensively in the beginning,
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that it looked like the studies were intentionally done to fail.
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And you can imagine if you were a big vaccine company
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you would actually fund tests that you knew would fail.
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So you'd look for somebody who had a test structure
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that by its nature it was going to show it didn't work,
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If I were a dirty trickster, you know, pharma, big pharma company,
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would big pharma do a horrible, horrible thing,
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about the Sackler family and Purdue and OxyContin.
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If you think there's anything they wouldn't do,
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I'll tell you my current best opinion about the vaccinations.
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So this is a modified sort of evolving opinion.
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and there seemed to be, you know, a binary going on here,
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one that the risks of the vaccines are not worth it,
00:42:24.380
or it's pretty great even though it's not a true vaccine.
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I think it might be the most dangerous vaccine we've ever had,
00:42:43.420
I think that the actual scientists who did the studies
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meaning that the benefit was far greater than the risk.
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that the pharma companies would or have underplayed the risk?
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because that would be every company acting exactly like every company acts.
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It's not even an indictment of the pharma industry.
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That would just be a statement of what companies do.
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They minimize their problems and they exaggerate their benefits.
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I don't think it could be that different with pharma.
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They must be exaggerating their benefits and hiding to some extent.
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You know, there's a limit beyond which it becomes purely criminal.
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so they do things that are not good for themselves.
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Generally speaking, when somebody does something underhanded,
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they at least do things that they think they can get away with.
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that at least if you're talking about not career criminals
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but I'm talking about people who wear science jackets and neckties,
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if they're going to do something that's a huge crime,
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At the very least, you're going to try pretty hard
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not to do a crime that you know you're going to get caught for.
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Do you think that they could have made their billions of dollars,
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because even the employees are making, you know,
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that there was somebody who would do that kind of crime
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But what are the odds that they could go five years
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I feel like there would be too many people involved,
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So I don't think anybody would steal a billion dollars
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You know, you'd find lots of volunteers for that.
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if we ever find out that anybody in the, you know,
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The odds that all of these big pharma companies
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you know, even if they didn't go to jail for it,