Real Coffee with Scott Adams - Episode 1595 Scott Adams： Talking About a Deal With Russia, and Evaluating a Rogue Doctor's Credibility

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00:01:04.060 Well, while I was waiting to go live here today, I was getting catfished.

00:01:07.720 Got some messages from a nice woman named Christina Basham.

00:01:15.860 Christina Basham.

00:01:17.740 And this nice woman named Christina Basham, who doesn't seem to know who I am, is interested in maybe a relationship.

00:01:25.940 I look at her picture, and she's very beautiful, very beautiful.

00:01:32.080 And so I texted back, and I said, you think I will believe you are my wife?

00:01:39.440 And the catfisher said, yes, baby, I missed you.

00:01:45.620 This is not your best catfisher.

00:01:48.160 And I said, I am standing next to my wife right now.

00:01:53.140 Catfisher says, you are married?

00:01:55.940 Oh, no.

00:01:57.640 And I said, I'm married to Christina Basham, who is with me now.

00:02:03.000 Catfisher says, oh, LOL.

00:02:05.640 LOL.

00:02:10.120 So my last message was, nice try.

00:02:13.540 Where are you based?

00:02:14.460 Nigeria?

00:02:16.100 I'm actually curious.

00:02:18.140 I want to find out where this catfisher is based.

00:02:23.220 And since I got an O-L-O-L, obviously he knows, whoever it is, knows that I know it's a scam.

00:02:31.980 I wonder if he'll just tell me.

00:02:33.740 Say, oh, yeah, I'm over here.

00:02:35.120 I'm over here in Detroit or someplace.

00:02:39.500 But anyway, if you didn't know it, my wife's photo from social media is widely used on social media by catfishers.

00:02:50.840 Catfishers, yeah.

00:02:51.520 And, you know, about once every two weeks ago or so, we get these disturbed messages from people who say, but I've been sending you money for years.

00:03:03.140 No, you've been sending money to a photograph with somebody else.

00:03:07.960 Well, here's the story of the day.

00:03:09.740 Do you know entertainer Cher?

00:03:12.560 She was walking out of a movie theater and saw this beautiful young couple and asked if she could take their picture just because they were such a good-looking young couple.

00:03:21.480 So she takes her picture, posted on social media, and it became a big viral sensation.

00:03:29.720 And here's what she tweeted.

00:03:31.760 She said, when we were coming out of a movie, I saw a beautiful couple.

00:03:35.340 He was taking her picture.

00:03:36.920 She had flowers.

00:03:38.380 I said, can I take your picture?

00:03:40.960 I had my mask on, so they didn't know who I was.

00:03:44.380 Maybe just a crazy woman.

00:03:46.320 That me.

00:03:48.200 Hmm.

00:03:49.420 It could be.

00:03:50.780 It could be that they didn't recognize her, this 20-something beautiful young couple.

00:03:57.000 It could be they didn't recognize Cher because she had her mask on.

00:04:00.140 That's one of the possibilities.

00:04:04.140 The other possibility is that they're a young couple who have never heard of Cher.

00:04:11.400 How many people in their 20s even would recognize Cher?

00:04:15.140 Hmm?

00:04:16.120 Right?

00:04:17.160 Am I right?

00:04:19.180 And, you know, I feel I can speak to this phenomenon because there aren't too many people, you know, in high school who could name Dilbert as a comic strip either.

00:04:28.420 But I like her little blind spot that the reason they didn't recognize her is because she had a mask on.

00:04:34.600 I'm going to start using that.

00:04:36.660 You've never heard of the Dilbert comic strip, youngster?

00:04:40.120 Is it because I'm wearing a mask?

00:04:42.760 I think it'll work.

00:04:45.340 Well, CNN is all a Twitter, all a Twitter.

00:04:48.160 Not on Twitter, but they're all a Twitter.

00:04:50.860 Their hearts are fluttering because there's some news that is, oh, it's just like candy for their hearts.

00:04:56.840 And it is that the lawsuit brought by Dominion, the election voting company, they're bringing a lawsuit alleging that Fox News personalities, including Tucker Carlson, Janine Perero, Sean Hannity, and their on-air guests, spread lies about fraud in the 2020 election that hurt Dominion's business.

00:05:20.000 It's one of several lawsuits that they're doing against right-wing or right-leaning entities, I guess.

00:05:28.320 Now, there are two essential claims.

00:05:31.740 One is that the opinion people brought experts on and talked in a way that suggested there was a problem and hurt their business.

00:05:40.760 The other is that the news people, or at least producers or people in the decision-making chain, were probably aware of information they did not report that would have been more complementary to Dominion.

00:05:58.180 So, two claims.

00:05:59.500 One is that the opinion people said things that they feel are untrue.

00:06:04.140 And, number two, that there may have been extra information that Fox News, collectively or individually, was aware of that would have been important to give you context to the story that was left out.

00:06:18.960 So, does anybody want to make a prediction how this lawsuit goes?

00:06:22.680 I'm feeling pretty confident about this prediction.

00:06:29.380 I mean, the total amount I know about the law could be put in a thimble within a thimble.

00:06:36.960 But I feel like I could get this one.

00:06:40.060 Now, I don't know that it will be dismissed or thrown out.

00:06:42.820 But we have seen that the Rachel Maddow defense is that it's just an opinion.

00:06:51.640 And it worked, right?

00:06:53.380 The defense that opinion people giving opinions can't be wrong in a libelous way has already passed muster.

00:07:02.880 Beyond that, Facebook's lawsuit, they're claiming that even their fact-checkers are opinions.

00:07:09.320 So, not only are opinions opinions, but fact-checkers are just opinions.

00:07:17.060 So, in that world, where those two things seem to be somewhat established-ish, is there any way that opinion people are going to, you know, somehow be found guilty?

00:07:30.160 Now, I don't know what the standard is for this.

00:07:34.380 This is a civil suit, right?

00:07:37.240 So, that means they don't need a full majority, do they?

00:07:42.240 They just need to, or the standard is lower than a criminal case.

00:07:45.480 Let's just put it that way.

00:07:47.640 So, I suppose anything can happen, but I would say the precedent has largely been set that opinions are opinions and facts are opinions.

00:07:54.400 Now, what if it's true, suppose they can come up with an email or a set of emails, just hypothetically,

00:08:05.400 that would suggest that Fox News was aware of more information than they reported,

00:08:10.940 and that information could have been good for Dominion's side of things.

00:08:16.720 Do you think that the courts will set a standard, as a precedent, that if you leave out some relevant facts to your reporting, you can be sued?

00:08:30.980 Just think about it.

00:08:32.520 That's all of the news.

00:08:33.920 The entire news landscape is the left leaving out stuff, you know, that would be good for the right,

00:08:41.400 and the right leaving out stuff that would be good for the left.

00:08:43.820 There's nothing but that.

00:08:45.880 If you create that standard, it will destroy the entire news industry.

00:08:49.680 There wouldn't be anything left.

00:08:51.400 Yeah, how would the fine people hoax play?

00:08:53.580 Do you think that if Trump has sued CNN for the fine people hoax, you wouldn't find any internal communication saying that they knew that they'd clipped off part of the video to turn it into a hoax?

00:09:07.100 You don't think anybody knew that?

00:09:10.380 Yeah, they did.

00:09:12.680 Yeah, you might even find a digital communication from me to somebody at CNN telling them that very thing.

00:09:23.580 So, I don't think they can win on that, right?

00:09:28.260 I mean, I don't know how precedent works exactly in this domain,

00:09:32.220 but I don't see how you could possibly have a standard that if you left something out, you're guilty, you know, just for that.

00:09:38.940 Even if you knew it.

00:09:40.280 Even if you totally knew you were doing it and why you did it.

00:09:43.760 We just, it would destroy the entire news industry.

00:09:46.320 There would be nothing left, which would be funny.

00:09:50.540 All right.

00:09:51.240 Now, here's the other scary thing about it.

00:09:54.080 Apparently, there is some point in this process in which Dominion would get access to Fox News' communications,

00:10:03.000 like private communications,

00:10:05.200 which I assume would include from outside people.

00:10:11.220 Outside people who are communicating with Fox News hosts,

00:10:16.100 which includes me.

00:10:17.600 My private communications just got released.

00:10:24.980 I think.

00:10:26.240 I think.

00:10:27.200 Because I do have a history that I have communicated with, you know,

00:10:30.880 more than one Fox host by digital means.

00:10:35.180 So, my private communications are now in play.

00:10:39.220 Let me give you some advice.

00:10:41.040 Do any of you use encrypted apps so you can stay out of trouble?

00:10:47.500 How many of you use some kind of an encrypted app for communicating?

00:10:53.200 Stop it.

00:10:54.820 Stop it.

00:10:56.100 Don't do it.

00:10:57.740 If you're using an encrypted app because you think it's safe,

00:11:01.320 oh, my God, you're a sucker.

00:11:03.480 You are a sucker.

00:11:05.200 They are the least safe thing you could ever do.

00:11:07.160 Do you know why?

00:11:07.620 Because that's where all the good stuff is.

00:11:11.240 Where are you going to look for?

00:11:12.620 Where are you going to look for stuff?

00:11:14.560 There.

00:11:15.900 Here are the ways your encrypted communications can be corrupted.

00:11:19.920 Number one, the government always had a back door.

00:11:24.300 How would you know?

00:11:26.060 Company tells you they don't.

00:11:28.380 Government says, no, we don't do that.

00:11:30.560 But that's what they would say, right?

00:11:33.100 How do you know the government doesn't have a back door?

00:11:35.920 Why wouldn't they?

00:11:36.600 If they could, why wouldn't they?

00:11:40.080 It's crazy not to.

00:11:41.600 It would almost be an abdication of responsibility

00:11:45.960 if they didn't have back doors to all the encrypted apps.

00:11:49.080 Now, I don't know that they do.

00:11:50.980 I'm just saying I'd be deeply surprised

00:11:53.080 if they or some other foreign entity

00:11:56.160 doesn't have access to at least one of them.

00:11:58.960 At least one of them.

00:12:01.460 Now, I'm not worried about the encryption being broken at the moment.

00:12:04.540 That's probably your smallest risk.

00:12:07.060 The next risk is that the message you send

00:12:09.960 can be captured on your device before it gets encrypted.

00:12:13.680 Because anything that you're typing could be captured by a virus.

00:12:19.480 Am I right?

00:12:19.980 A hacker could install something on your phone or device

00:12:23.980 that would capture your message before it even got to the encrypted part, right?

00:12:29.520 A key logger, yeah.

00:12:30.980 And I imagine they could take a screenshot or something.

00:12:34.660 You know, you would have those options.

00:12:35.900 How about when it reaches the destination?

00:12:39.400 And then it's on the destination phone and it's on the screen.

00:12:43.100 Could a hacker get it if it's on the screen?

00:12:47.000 I assume so.

00:12:48.080 It's just a screenshot.

00:12:49.760 How hard would that be?

00:12:51.440 So it's definitely hackable

00:12:54.000 and it's definitely corruptible by some government entity.

00:12:58.220 They would lie to you because that's their job.

00:13:00.720 In this instance, it would be their job to lie to you.

00:13:04.120 So if they're doing their job, you wouldn't know.

00:13:06.980 But here's the biggest part.

00:13:09.040 Anything you send to somebody,

00:13:11.260 they can show to somebody else.

00:13:14.320 That's it.

00:13:15.600 Anything that you show to another human,

00:13:18.260 that human can just show to somebody else.

00:13:22.040 Right?

00:13:23.460 And no matter how much trust you put in the encryption,

00:13:27.380 you're just looking in the wrong place.

00:13:29.640 It's not the encryption you have to worry about.

00:13:32.000 It's all the people.

00:13:34.820 So never send a message over digital means

00:13:39.760 that you would be in serious trouble if it were outed.

00:13:45.360 Just don't ever do it.

00:13:46.860 No matter how private you think it is,

00:13:49.000 just don't ever do it.

00:13:50.120 Ever.

00:13:50.980 Not once.

00:13:51.980 I wouldn't do it under any condition ever once.

00:13:55.100 And it doesn't matter if you're running for office or not.

00:13:57.400 Because you see, in these cases,

00:13:59.680 you could be completely, you know,

00:14:02.020 unrelated to any kind of crime,

00:14:04.400 and somebody could open up your messages.

00:14:06.820 You've seen my messages in the news, haven't you?

00:14:09.180 I'll bet you've seen a private message of mine in the fucking news.

00:14:14.120 I have.

00:14:15.440 And I don't know how that happened.

00:14:16.820 Anyway, here's some good news on fusion.

00:14:24.460 Now, of course, you have to take all fusion good news with a grain of salt,

00:14:28.160 because for 30 years we've had fusion breakthroughs that never reached any conclusion.

00:14:35.860 But apparently the industry has been chugging along,

00:14:39.760 and they are making incremental breakthroughs all the time.

00:14:44.440 But, you know, it seems to be, as Sam Altman told me a few years ago,

00:14:49.920 it's now an engineering problem,

00:14:51.360 where they just have to figure out how to iterate quickly.

00:14:54.260 Well, apparently this big breakthrough,

00:14:57.680 and I don't know the science behind this, I'll just read this.

00:15:01.060 For the first time, a fusion reaction has achieved a record,

00:15:05.560 blah, blah, you know, energy output,

00:15:07.980 exceeding the energy absorbed.

00:15:10.340 Oh, sorry.

00:15:13.420 So they're saying that they've, you know, achieved some fusion breakthrough.

00:15:19.880 But I think what they really achieved, if you read the article,

00:15:23.480 if you read the article, what they really achieved is a way to view it,

00:15:29.840 or to actually measure it,

00:15:31.780 which apparently was something they couldn't do before.

00:15:34.220 There's all these, you know, super hot reactions,

00:15:37.000 you know, how do you know what's happening in there so you can adjust it?

00:15:40.100 So they have some kind of mechanism now

00:15:41.920 that they can see what they're doing,

00:15:44.180 and they can know if they're adding more or subtracting more.

00:15:47.380 And apparently that just opens up a big, you know,

00:15:51.480 a highway toward getting it done.

00:15:54.820 So I think this is further evidence that it's an engineering problem.

00:15:59.060 We're down to iteration and testing.

00:16:01.920 And that's it.

00:16:03.880 It's just innovation and testing.

00:16:08.880 Why are you saying something about Cernovich?

00:16:11.540 Is there some Cernovich news today that I don't know about?

00:16:14.960 Anyway, this breakthrough was just down the road from where I am right now,

00:16:25.220 at Lawrence Livermore Lab, practically walking distance.

00:16:29.120 Someplace I've been.

00:16:31.140 I've given a speech at Lawrence Livermore Lab.

00:16:34.760 It feels kind of real to me because it's literally, you know,

00:16:38.620 I know people who work there.

00:16:39.740 It's just like right down there.

00:16:40.780 And they've, just right down the road,

00:16:44.680 have created maybe the most important technology of all time.

00:16:51.500 All right.

00:16:54.400 I heard from a German high school teacher today,

00:16:58.920 Connor Widmeyer.

00:17:00.460 Connor might be watching today, so hi, Connor.

00:17:03.320 And he tweeted this.

00:17:04.620 He said, I taught the user interface for reality.

00:17:07.320 This is a micro lesson that I did on locals.

00:17:10.780 I can't remember if I did it publicly, too.

00:17:13.260 But I talked about how to use different filters or frames to view reality

00:17:20.660 and how to potentially interact with reality.

00:17:24.960 And Connor says he taught that lesson to his German high school today.

00:17:30.060 And he quoted part of it.

00:17:32.700 He said, first, you must accept the frame at least as a filter,

00:17:35.860 meaning you don't have to accept it as truth,

00:17:38.320 just accept it as a way to predict the world.

00:17:42.860 And then he said he gave examples about religion,

00:17:45.040 and they were blown away.

00:17:46.880 Now, the thing that blows me away

00:17:48.220 is that something I was doing here is being taught in high school in Germany

00:17:51.940 in one class.

00:17:54.720 But it turns out that a lot of things that I do get taught in schools.

00:18:03.100 So a lot of the Dilbert material has been packaged up to teach in business schools.

00:18:09.080 So there are lots of business school classes there.

00:18:11.200 I think there are some psychology-related classes that use Dilbert as a lot of examples.

00:18:18.340 So Dilbert is used in schools,

00:18:20.740 and then the systems versus goals, the talent stacking,

00:18:25.920 and now the user interface for reality.

00:18:28.000 I know my book, God's Debris, is assigned often in college courses.

00:18:33.780 So weirdly, I have all these connections to education that I wasn't expecting.

00:18:39.380 So the Salvation Army took a real big hit on their donations

00:18:43.640 because they had some kind of a guide they put out within the Salvation Army

00:18:51.700 that said that white culture has challenges and needs to overcome, among other things.

00:18:56.820 This was just something that was within it,

00:18:59.400 including they have to get over their denial of racism

00:19:02.580 and their defensiveness about race.

00:19:06.700 It states that white Americans need to, quote,

00:19:09.300 stop trying to be colorblind.

00:19:12.840 So how did that work out for the donations to the Salvation Army?

00:19:18.260 Yeah, down by about a third.

00:19:19.920 So who was it who said everything woke turns to shit?

00:19:26.260 Was that Trump?

00:19:28.000 Is Trump the first one who said that?

00:19:30.200 Sort of a...

00:19:31.300 It was Trump, right?

00:19:32.220 Everything woke turns to shit?

00:19:35.300 There will never be a more accurate predictive rule.

00:19:41.800 I mean, I thought I was good at predicting,

00:19:43.480 but you can't beat this.

00:19:44.500 Everything woke turns to shit.

00:19:45.960 You just see it over and over and over again.

00:19:50.380 Every time you see it, it's destroying something.

00:19:53.960 Our schools, our government.

00:19:59.460 So here's what I think must be done.

00:20:06.480 I won't say must, but could be done.

00:20:08.440 I've told you about malicious compliance, right?

00:20:12.280 The idea that you can destroy something by embracing it

00:20:16.620 and acting like it's real and important,

00:20:19.280 if you think it's not.

00:20:21.800 How would you do that in the case of this wokeness

00:20:25.360 and the idea that we should stop denying racism

00:20:33.280 and stop being defensiveness about race

00:20:36.260 and that white people need to stop being colorblind?

00:20:40.440 Suppose we embrace that,

00:20:42.900 but even embraced it more than it is stated.

00:20:47.840 I would go so far as to say we should also put out guides

00:20:51.100 about ugly people, short people, old people,

00:20:54.020 and especially white people who also are discriminated against.

00:20:57.720 I believe that we should increase our list

00:20:59.620 until everybody who is being discriminated for any reason

00:21:03.480 is included.

00:21:06.840 Now, if those reasons are things they can't change,

00:21:09.300 such as being unattractive, ugly, old, or white.

00:21:13.360 And so I think the best way to deal with the fact

00:21:16.120 that wokeness turns everything to shit

00:21:18.560 is to embrace it harder than it exists

00:21:21.540 and say, wait, wait, why are you stopping this

00:21:25.480 with people of color?

00:21:27.060 That's a big problem, but it's only one of them.

00:21:32.180 Why would you stop there?

00:21:33.640 Why would you allow the world to be so unwoke

00:21:36.180 when there were easy ways to wake it up even more?

00:21:39.140 Why would you stop at half-woke?

00:21:41.440 I don't want your half-woke bullshit.

00:21:43.740 Give me full-woke.

00:21:45.260 Full-woke or nothing.

00:21:47.760 So I would call this a half-woke attempt.

00:21:50.500 I've told you before that the solution to all the wokeness is,

00:21:54.800 do you know what the solution is?

00:21:55.940 To embrace it fully.

00:22:00.300 So that if somebody says, hey, I think something's happening

00:22:03.400 because I'm black, instead of saying, no, that's not happening,

00:22:07.100 there's no racism, that's a dumb approach.

00:22:10.540 It might be true in a specific situation.

00:22:13.780 It might be more true than false.

00:22:15.380 But it's a dumb, dumb approach.

00:22:17.680 It doesn't work.

00:22:18.560 You want to embrace it and take it further and say,

00:22:22.340 absolutely, you are being discriminated in so many ways,

00:22:25.880 because it's true.

00:22:27.520 You know, systemic racism, totally true.

00:22:29.860 If you're arguing that it doesn't exist, that's just a bad argument.

00:22:33.160 It certainly exists in the sense of the teachers' unions.

00:22:36.260 That's the worst systemic racism.

00:22:39.040 As long as that's an obvious example,

00:22:41.060 I don't think you can say it doesn't exist.

00:22:43.380 And surely it exists in other ways throughout society,

00:22:46.420 in all the ways that they describe.

00:22:48.960 But you know what else exists?

00:22:50.480 All the other stuff.

00:22:52.360 All the other stuff really exists.

00:22:54.560 It's true that short people don't get promoted as much.

00:22:57.520 It's true that if you have any kind of a difference,

00:23:01.640 you're ugly, you're overweight, you're whatever,

00:23:04.880 you're going to be discriminated against.

00:23:07.040 So let's get all that in there.

00:23:09.400 And I think that the best way we should deal with each other

00:23:11.860 is to acknowledge, instead of ignoring the color

00:23:15.800 or ignoring the difference, we should just go right at it.

00:23:20.020 Just go right at it.

00:23:21.220 We should be able to have a conversation every minute.

00:23:25.480 I wonder if that happened because you're black.

00:23:29.740 You should be able to bring that up anytime

00:23:31.940 without any kind of provocative pushback.

00:23:36.060 It should be a legitimate question.

00:23:38.300 I wonder if that happened because you're short.

00:23:41.520 Also legitimate.

00:23:42.880 I wonder if that would have been the same outcome

00:23:44.840 if you were more attractive.

00:23:47.700 Also totally legitimate.

00:23:49.140 Why not just put it all out there?

00:23:51.920 Put it all out there and say,

00:23:53.560 yep, I lost two careers for being white and male.

00:23:57.360 Some of you don't believe that,

00:23:58.520 but there's a whole backstory there in my corporate days.

00:24:01.200 I was told that directly, by the way.

00:24:03.220 That's not me reading between the lines.

00:24:05.980 My bosses told me directly they couldn't promote me

00:24:08.140 because I was white and male.

00:24:09.520 Now that's just true.

00:24:11.740 So that puts me on the side of black Americans

00:24:14.940 who have been discriminated in employment.

00:24:16.900 Why can't I be on their side if I had the same experience

00:24:21.120 in one of the most important elements of society,

00:24:25.240 which is economics?

00:24:27.660 So embrace it until there's nothing left.

00:24:31.120 And then we'll all be better off, I think.

00:24:36.480 Well, there's another blockbuster report

00:24:40.320 coming out of the January 6th hearings,

00:24:42.980 congressional hearings.

00:24:43.720 You may not have heard this,

00:24:46.420 so this will be breaking news to all of you.

00:24:49.980 Someone took a lunch out of the refrigerator

00:24:54.060 in the congressional break room,

00:24:55.780 and that lunch was labeled with the name

00:24:59.480 of the person who was planning to eat it.

00:25:01.540 But someone unnamed, we don't know,

00:25:03.940 took that lunch from the congressional break room,

00:25:07.340 and therefore, President Trump is guilty of insurrection.

00:25:13.720 Now, if you haven't been following this story,

00:25:15.720 you know that the blockbusters

00:25:17.080 don't have to have any connection to the point.

00:25:20.220 Could be just some email somebody found.

00:25:22.400 Could be somebody just testified.

00:25:26.340 They don't have to have any connection

00:25:27.540 to the insurrection.

00:25:28.940 But everything that they come up with,

00:25:31.380 we have learned from CNN,

00:25:33.020 is connected to prove that Trump is an insurrectionist.

00:25:38.020 So until that missing lunch is found,

00:25:41.460 I'm going to have to say he's an insurrectionist,

00:25:44.560 because logic, logic.

00:25:49.200 You all know about the elf on the shelf?

00:25:52.060 If you're coming to us from a non-American country,

00:25:55.520 I don't know if you have that tradition,

00:25:57.160 where a little elf doll is put on the shelf during Christmas.

00:26:01.280 Well, in breaking news,

00:26:02.420 the elf on the shelf got a roommate.

00:26:05.400 It's Biden's legislative agenda.

00:26:07.560 Rasmussen has a poll that says the House of Representatives,

00:26:17.020 people asked what they thought of their,

00:26:20.000 how well they're doing their job,

00:26:21.900 and the public,

00:26:23.520 30% of them said that it's either excellent or good,

00:26:26.860 the House of Representatives.

00:26:28.740 That feels high, doesn't it?

00:26:30.120 Doesn't that seem high?

00:26:32.400 And then in the Senate,

00:26:38.860 21% of them were rated,

00:26:42.680 21% of the public said that the Senate was excellent or good.

00:26:46.420 That also seems high,

00:26:48.420 because isn't the approval of Congress in general,

00:26:51.620 like in the teens?

00:26:53.720 So this is the weird way that people answer poll questions.

00:26:56.760 If he asked them to approve of Congress in general,

00:27:00.160 it'd be like 18%.

00:27:02.020 But if you say,

00:27:03.320 you know,

00:27:03.720 how are they doing?

00:27:04.940 30% said excellent or good.

00:27:07.380 So I don't know which number is closer to reality here.

00:27:13.520 And then Rasmussen asked about Build Back Better.

00:27:17.860 Do people support it or oppose it?

00:27:20.700 38% support it.

00:27:22.180 That's actually more than I thought.

00:27:25.760 Doesn't that sound high?

00:27:28.620 38% support it.

00:27:32.860 I'm not sure if Rasmussen is going to ask

00:27:35.680 how many people know what's in it.

00:27:38.260 How many people do you think know what's in it?

00:27:41.840 Well, that didn't take long for a meme.

00:27:46.740 I don't know what's in it.

00:27:48.180 Do you?

00:27:48.520 I know individual things that are in it.

00:27:53.160 And I sort of recall,

00:27:54.900 I've read a number of articles where things are mentioned.

00:27:57.580 But I don't have a comprehensive sense.

00:28:00.420 If you said,

00:28:01.560 write down all of the main items in it,

00:28:04.140 you know,

00:28:04.320 just a high level.

00:28:06.320 I don't think I could do that.

00:28:07.600 Could you?

00:28:09.640 So,

00:28:10.260 I mean,

00:28:10.520 we just hear about individual stuff.

00:28:13.980 Hey,

00:28:14.460 Jonathan,

00:28:15.060 that's a real good comment.

00:28:16.580 Jonathan Giglio wants to share this with the rest of you.

00:28:19.860 That Clown Scott is a clown.

00:28:22.800 Good one.

00:28:23.960 I'm glad you spent your energy on that.

00:28:26.260 Because,

00:28:26.640 you know,

00:28:27.180 all the other problems in the world are solved.

00:28:31.620 But the thing we didn't know about

00:28:33.380 is if Clown Scott was a clown.

00:28:35.940 So,

00:28:36.440 thanks for doing that.

00:28:38.060 Instead of exercising

00:28:39.060 or

00:28:39.680 teaching your kids something valuable,

00:28:43.100 we're all the better for it.

00:28:45.480 I appreciate that.

00:28:47.360 All right.

00:28:49.820 17% said they weren't sure

00:28:51.960 if they could support the Build Back Better.

00:28:55.580 I would say that 17%,

00:28:57.480 usually I mock the uncertain

00:29:00.420 because most of the questions

00:29:02.340 you really should have an opinion on.

00:29:04.940 But this is one,

00:29:05.960 I don't know.

00:29:07.000 17% said,

00:29:08.520 I don't know.

00:29:09.480 I feel like that's the right opinion.

00:29:11.500 I don't know.

00:29:12.820 I mean,

00:29:13.100 if you just focus on

00:29:14.440 what it would do to inflation,

00:29:16.160 then I guess it would be easy

00:29:17.200 to have a coherent opinion,

00:29:18.740 which is,

00:29:19.260 no,

00:29:19.480 that's too much.

00:29:20.200 You know,

00:29:20.340 sort of the Joe Manchin approach.

00:29:22.940 It's just too much.

00:29:24.460 That's a reasonable opinion.

00:29:26.180 Could be true.

00:29:26.840 Could be false.

00:29:27.500 But it's reasonable.

00:29:31.720 45% opposed Build Back Better.

00:29:35.020 I really thought it was more.

00:29:36.640 I would say you,

00:29:37.720 a reasonable person,

00:29:38.840 could throw the 17% unsure

00:29:41.020 into the opposed.

00:29:42.760 because if somebody said to you,

00:29:46.740 we're planning to spend

00:29:47.980 $2 trillion

00:29:48.720 and we don't know

00:29:52.020 if it'll be a good idea or not,

00:29:53.980 what do you say?

00:29:54.900 You don't even know

00:29:55.480 what it's about.

00:29:56.680 If you're going to spend

00:29:57.160 $2 trillion,

00:29:57.820 we don't really know.

00:29:59.520 I mean,

00:29:59.840 some people say yes,

00:30:00.940 some people say it'd be good,

00:30:02.160 some say bad.

00:30:03.320 Well,

00:30:03.560 if you don't know,

00:30:05.460 good decision making

00:30:06.740 usually is biased

00:30:08.240 or don't do it,

00:30:09.160 right?

00:30:10.120 You don't put $2 trillion

00:30:11.420 into something

00:30:12.320 you're just guessing about.

00:30:15.040 So the unsures,

00:30:16.920 I think they're

00:30:17.600 slightly opposed-ish,

00:30:20.020 especially if they don't

00:30:21.080 feel well-informed.

00:30:23.040 Anyway,

00:30:24.020 J&J,

00:30:25.160 do me a fact check on this.

00:30:26.580 Didn't J&J

00:30:27.340 who said they're not

00:30:32.060 recommending the J&J shot anymore

00:30:33.980 because of side effects?

00:30:36.400 That's true, right?

00:30:37.580 Oh, the FDA.

00:30:38.900 Yeah,

00:30:39.180 so the FDA said

00:30:40.480 they're not recommending

00:30:41.280 the J&J shot.

00:30:42.180 So they would recommend

00:30:42.840 the Pfizer and the Moderna

00:30:44.220 first over the J&J.

00:30:49.820 So,

00:30:50.460 what does this tell us

00:30:51.500 that we didn't know before?

00:30:52.660 Number one,

00:30:53.220 it validates my strategy.

00:30:55.600 Does anybody remember

00:30:56.440 what my vaccination strategy was?

00:30:59.880 What was my vaccination strategy?

00:31:01.960 Anybody?

00:31:03.980 Wait as long as you can.

00:31:07.680 Wait as long as you can

00:31:09.500 if you can socially isolate.

00:31:12.160 I have the advantage

00:31:13.160 that I can isolate

00:31:14.020 better than most people.

00:31:15.740 So,

00:31:16.380 in that specific condition,

00:31:18.220 which, you know,

00:31:18.700 might be unique to me,

00:31:20.540 waiting until we know

00:31:21.800 as much as possible

00:31:23.320 makes sense.

00:31:26.240 You know,

00:31:26.580 you sort of have to game it,

00:31:28.160 you know,

00:31:28.400 what is waiting too long

00:31:29.560 and what is not.

00:31:31.380 But I waited.

00:31:32.180 I haven't gotten the booster.

00:31:34.600 At the moment,

00:31:35.880 I'm leaning against it,

00:31:36.940 but I'll still wait

00:31:37.820 for more information.

00:31:39.360 But I'm glad I didn't run out

00:31:40.880 and say,

00:31:41.500 give me whatever you got.

00:31:42.900 Because remember,

00:31:43.460 the FDA,

00:31:44.120 wasn't the FDA saying

00:31:45.300 it doesn't matter

00:31:46.100 which booster you get?

00:31:47.540 Doesn't matter

00:31:48.180 which ones you got,

00:31:49.160 you can get

00:31:49.880 any one of the three.

00:31:51.420 And what did I tell you?

00:31:54.220 I'm still waiting for,

00:31:56.320 are there any doctors on here?

00:31:58.200 If you're a doctor,

00:31:59.220 you probably have

00:31:59.660 a better view on this.

00:32:01.560 I don't,

00:32:01.940 I know I have

00:32:02.400 a confident opinion,

00:32:03.700 but I'll tell you my opinion.

00:32:05.140 So this is sort of

00:32:05.960 leaning in that direction opinion.

00:32:07.920 It goes like this.

00:32:09.480 If you did not have

00:32:11.000 a bad reaction

00:32:11.880 to whatever vaccination

00:32:13.360 you got

00:32:14.260 and you don't really

00:32:16.800 have any tests

00:32:18.040 to tell you

00:32:19.060 what to do next,

00:32:21.600 is it smarter

00:32:22.320 to get a different vaccination

00:32:24.220 that could have

00:32:25.420 different level

00:32:26.200 of side effects

00:32:26.980 or is it

00:32:29.420 versus, you know,

00:32:30.880 getting the same

00:32:31.360 that you had,

00:32:31.900 you had no side effects

00:32:32.700 or could that

00:32:34.600 put you over the limit

00:32:36.600 of how much

00:32:37.880 of that one kind

00:32:38.720 of vaccine

00:32:39.340 you've got?

00:32:43.980 Which would you say

00:32:44.980 would be just

00:32:45.680 commonsensically

00:32:47.400 if you did not have

00:32:48.540 the benefit of data

00:32:49.480 because we don't?

00:32:51.140 What commonsensically

00:32:52.400 would be safer?

00:32:54.920 Doctors only, please.

00:32:56.980 If you're a doctor.

00:32:58.400 Tell me if you're a doctor

00:32:59.420 in the comments,

00:33:00.480 please.

00:33:02.860 Yeah, I don't know.

00:33:03.700 Stick with the devil you know.

00:33:09.200 Oh, so your doctor says

00:33:10.440 Pfizer is a smaller dose

00:33:11.800 than Moderna,

00:33:12.620 but that's also why

00:33:13.560 it works less, right?

00:33:14.880 Wasn't Moderna

00:33:15.540 the highest efficacy?

00:33:17.200 Dr. Matt Wayne

00:33:21.860 says go with

00:33:22.660 what you had before.

00:33:25.220 Dr. Johnson,

00:33:26.220 I'm not sure

00:33:26.640 if you're a real doctor.

00:33:27.760 You're a troll.

00:33:31.560 I'm a doctor,

00:33:32.480 don't know.

00:33:33.300 All right?

00:33:33.860 Yeah.

00:33:34.500 Here's another...

00:33:35.640 Dr. Johnson's

00:33:39.200 all over this one.

00:33:39.840 Dr. Moderna

00:33:43.840 is the best,

00:33:44.520 highest amount

00:33:45.460 of antigen.

00:33:46.980 Don't mix and match.

00:33:49.060 All right,

00:33:49.380 so here's another

00:33:51.340 one of those

00:33:52.000 sort of edge questions.

00:33:55.140 The FDA,

00:33:56.360 with all their experts,

00:33:57.320 said go ahead

00:33:58.040 and get whichever

00:33:58.800 of the shots you want.

00:34:00.880 Scott said

00:34:01.680 if you don't have

00:34:03.140 better information,

00:34:04.880 get the one

00:34:05.420 you already had.

00:34:06.200 Who had better advice?

00:34:09.840 Because, you know,

00:34:13.960 a lot of the decisions

00:34:18.060 we're making,

00:34:18.800 there's a big question

00:34:19.520 of, you know,

00:34:20.000 should you trust

00:34:20.680 the experts

00:34:21.160 or trust somebody

00:34:22.740 who's just good

00:34:23.360 at decision making?

00:34:25.100 Because it's different, right?

00:34:27.760 I don't know.

00:34:28.580 I feel like the edge

00:34:30.560 is for me.

00:34:32.020 Because I don't think

00:34:33.060 that we have,

00:34:34.640 especially if you

00:34:35.320 had the Pfizer,

00:34:36.480 if you had the Pfizer shot,

00:34:38.460 which is a lower dose

00:34:39.520 than Moderna,

00:34:41.420 that's like a slam dunk,

00:34:43.520 isn't it?

00:34:44.000 That you would get

00:34:44.580 the Pfizer shot again?

00:34:46.040 But if you had

00:34:46.880 the Moderna shot twice,

00:34:49.260 hmm,

00:34:50.460 now maybe just

00:34:51.340 a little extra Pfizer,

00:34:53.360 similar platforms,

00:34:55.200 technology.

00:34:56.760 Is that better?

00:34:57.920 I don't know.

00:34:58.580 I think my bias

00:35:00.520 would be to stick

00:35:01.500 with whatever I got,

00:35:02.920 but know that

00:35:03.620 if you stuck

00:35:04.160 with the Moderna,

00:35:05.540 your first two doses

00:35:06.800 would be the highest

00:35:07.640 dose of that type,

00:35:09.800 and then by the time

00:35:10.580 you got the booster,

00:35:11.420 you would be

00:35:12.200 well into

00:35:12.960 highest ever

00:35:14.660 of that technology.

00:35:16.420 So that's a risk.

00:35:19.860 All right.

00:35:23.100 Let's talk about Pfizer

00:35:24.520 and their 55 years

00:35:26.040 to release data.

00:35:27.280 Everything you knew

00:35:27.980 about that was bullshit.

00:35:30.200 Okay?

00:35:30.560 Let's start there.

00:35:32.280 What was it even

00:35:33.260 I believed?

00:35:33.800 I hope I showed

00:35:35.800 enough skepticism

00:35:36.700 in this story

00:35:37.340 because I should have

00:35:38.760 in retrospect.

00:35:40.640 But do you know

00:35:41.920 why the 55 years?

00:35:44.660 Does anybody...

00:35:45.240 It was 75,

00:35:46.420 but it got lower

00:35:46.920 to 55.

00:35:48.680 Does anybody...

00:35:49.240 Yeah,

00:35:49.520 the 75, I think,

00:35:50.440 got lower to 55.

00:35:51.800 It got revised.

00:35:53.140 But does anybody

00:35:53.840 know why?

00:35:56.740 All right.

00:35:57.220 Well,

00:35:57.880 so Andres Backhouse

00:36:00.360 was tweeting

00:36:00.980 about this.

00:36:02.580 And even the FDA

00:36:04.600 criticized, you know,

00:36:06.140 the FDA

00:36:06.640 for its, you know,

00:36:07.700 data sharing and stuff.

00:36:09.180 So nobody's happy

00:36:10.000 that it would take so long.

00:36:11.380 But here's my best take on it.

00:36:14.480 Apparently,

00:36:15.120 the FOIA requests,

00:36:16.800 the requests where,

00:36:17.860 I guess,

00:36:18.100 any citizen standing

00:36:19.880 can request

00:36:21.280 government information

00:36:22.380 that shouldn't be secret.

00:36:24.440 So there are

00:36:25.440 so many of them now,

00:36:26.880 like even private companies

00:36:28.260 are doing these

00:36:28.880 all the time

00:36:29.380 for competitive reasons,

00:36:30.720 et cetera,

00:36:31.500 trying to figure out

00:36:32.140 what the competition

00:36:32.800 is doing.

00:36:33.600 There are so many

00:36:34.320 FOIA requests

00:36:35.020 that the FDA

00:36:35.840 couldn't possibly

00:36:36.660 do them all.

00:36:38.360 All right.

00:36:38.480 So the first thing

00:36:39.120 you need to know

00:36:39.720 is that the amount

00:36:41.360 of requests

00:36:41.960 is this big

00:36:42.740 and the staff

00:36:44.280 for all of those requests,

00:36:45.500 not just for vaccinations,

00:36:47.180 but for everything

00:36:47.880 the FDA does,

00:36:49.160 for everything,

00:36:49.980 the staff is like

00:36:51.020 a pinprick.

00:36:52.420 So the amount

00:36:53.500 of staffing they have

00:36:54.340 is nowhere

00:36:55.740 in the neighborhood

00:36:56.660 of what they would need

00:36:58.180 to get the job

00:36:58.860 done competently.

00:36:59.760 All right.

00:37:00.800 So that's the first thing.

00:37:05.220 Second thing is

00:37:06.120 that I guess

00:37:06.680 there's a lot of stuff

00:37:07.460 that has to be redacted,

00:37:09.080 which means

00:37:09.840 you have to pour over it

00:37:11.140 and you probably

00:37:11.600 have to show it

00:37:12.220 to three people

00:37:12.940 to make sure

00:37:13.500 you redacted

00:37:14.200 the right stuff.

00:37:15.320 And I can imagine

00:37:16.300 that if you've got

00:37:17.040 a gazillion pages

00:37:18.340 of stuff,

00:37:19.580 you just couldn't

00:37:21.200 even staff up

00:37:21.960 to do that.

00:37:23.040 There would be no way

00:37:23.980 to staff up enough

00:37:25.160 because you'd have

00:37:26.880 to have people

00:37:27.320 who are trained

00:37:27.940 and know what

00:37:28.380 they're talking about.

00:37:29.140 I mean,

00:37:29.300 I don't think

00:37:29.680 you can get there

00:37:30.280 from here.

00:37:31.760 And so I've got

00:37:34.440 a few comments

00:37:35.440 on this.

00:37:36.560 Number one,

00:37:37.300 I think what's happening

00:37:38.340 is malicious compliance.

00:37:41.660 Imagine you're the FDA

00:37:42.880 and it is your requirement,

00:37:45.160 it's just a legal requirement,

00:37:46.880 that if people ask

00:37:47.680 for this information

00:37:48.560 about anything

00:37:49.860 the FDA is doing

00:37:50.780 that's, you know,

00:37:51.780 non-private,

00:37:53.420 that they have

00:37:55.680 to give it to them.

00:37:57.460 So you imagine

00:37:58.440 you have this

00:37:58.920 incredibly understaffed

00:38:01.560 group of people

00:38:02.420 who do these requests

00:38:04.020 at the FDA.

00:38:06.020 Totally understaffed.

00:38:07.600 What's their attitude?

00:38:09.820 It's your job

00:38:10.740 to do this impossible thing

00:38:12.340 and you've been given

00:38:13.800 a speck of a budget.

00:38:16.080 I mean, it's actually,

00:38:16.780 I think it's hundreds

00:38:17.400 of millions of dollars,

00:38:18.600 but compared to how much

00:38:19.600 it actually would cost,

00:38:20.580 it's just a speck.

00:38:21.320 Like, what would you do

00:38:23.960 if that was your job?

00:38:25.800 And you said,

00:38:26.560 boss, I need ten times

00:38:28.380 the budget to even

00:38:29.260 put a dent in this.

00:38:31.020 And your boss says,

00:38:31.900 nope, can't get it to you.

00:38:33.820 You come back,

00:38:34.580 next time it's the budget,

00:38:35.740 still, I need,

00:38:37.580 now I need 20 times

00:38:38.860 the budget

00:38:39.360 because things are

00:38:40.700 just getting worse.

00:38:42.400 And your boss says,

00:38:43.140 we don't have the budget,

00:38:44.060 do what you can.

00:38:46.380 You know that's

00:38:47.160 the real situation, right?

00:38:48.280 You don't even have to be there

00:38:49.240 to know that that's true.

00:38:50.120 Or something like that anyway.

00:38:52.600 So what does the

00:38:53.520 average employee,

00:38:54.920 whose job it is

00:38:55.760 to do the impossible,

00:38:57.040 their boss has given them

00:38:58.040 no budget,

00:38:59.060 and a job that's

00:39:00.080 literally impossible,

00:39:01.780 what does that employee say?

00:39:03.500 Do they say,

00:39:04.200 nope, I quit,

00:39:05.880 I'm just not even

00:39:06.680 going to do that for you?

00:39:08.640 No, not in any world

00:39:09.740 does the employee say that.

00:39:10.840 Not in any world.

00:39:12.140 Here's what the employee says.

00:39:14.480 Absolutely.

00:39:16.420 That'll take,

00:39:17.600 based on the budget

00:39:18.620 we have,

00:39:20.360 the resources

00:39:21.600 that you,

00:39:22.160 my boss,

00:39:22.620 have allowed me.

00:39:23.740 Let's see,

00:39:24.380 with the resources

00:39:25.060 you,

00:39:25.560 my boss,

00:39:26.040 have given me,

00:39:27.380 calculate,

00:39:28.400 calculate,

00:39:29.640 75 years.

00:39:31.560 So let's do that.

00:39:32.880 I'm all in.

00:39:34.640 And your boss says,

00:39:36.120 wait a minute,

00:39:36.800 what?

00:39:37.940 Yeah,

00:39:38.200 75 years.

00:39:39.360 With the resources

00:39:40.400 that you've given me

00:39:41.300 to do this job,

00:39:43.000 I'm all on board.

00:39:44.620 Let's start this today.

00:39:46.140 Can I get going?

00:39:47.100 Why are we talking?

00:39:47.860 I should get going on this.

00:39:49.100 Your boss says,

00:39:49.500 wait,

00:39:49.880 wait a minute.

00:39:51.500 75 years,

00:39:52.920 that would be like,

00:39:54.240 it's worthless.

00:39:55.420 It's not even worth doing.

00:39:57.440 And your employee would say,

00:39:58.700 no,

00:39:58.920 this is totally worth doing.

00:40:00.320 These are very valuable requests,

00:40:02.420 and I want to put

00:40:03.220 all of the resources

00:40:04.180 I have

00:40:04.800 that you've given me

00:40:05.800 into this request.

00:40:07.420 Very important.

00:40:08.220 I think we need to do this

00:40:09.180 for the public.

00:40:10.140 Should take

00:40:10.800 75 years.

00:40:13.080 Can I get going on that?

00:40:15.800 And then what does

00:40:16.480 your boss say?

00:40:19.040 Well,

00:40:19.440 the boss either has to say,

00:40:20.660 oh,

00:40:20.940 I got to admit,

00:40:21.580 it's my fault,

00:40:22.240 I couldn't get you

00:40:22.840 properly funded.

00:40:24.200 Or does the boss

00:40:24.980 just take that number

00:40:25.840 to his boss

00:40:26.400 and say,

00:40:26.780 oh,

00:40:26.980 fuck it.

00:40:27.620 I'm just going to take

00:40:28.400 this boss to my boss.

00:40:29.780 I'll just take this

00:40:30.420 to my boss.

00:40:31.140 They said 75 years.

00:40:33.520 What would it take

00:40:34.780 to get it done faster?

00:40:37.520 $3 billion

00:40:38.280 of extra funding

00:40:39.540 on top of the

00:40:40.920 $300 billion a year

00:40:41.880 or whatever it is.

00:40:42.580 It's pretty high.

00:40:43.720 And a staff of

00:40:45.040 $15,000.

00:40:47.480 And then we could

00:40:48.060 put a dent in it.

00:40:49.780 Never going to happen,

00:40:50.740 right?

00:40:51.520 So I think

00:40:52.300 this is a malicious

00:40:53.420 compliance story

00:40:54.600 about a bureaucratic

00:40:56.380 situation within the FDA

00:40:58.240 that has nothing

00:40:59.220 to do with Pfizer.

00:41:00.820 Now,

00:41:01.300 here's the second question.

00:41:04.000 How much of that

00:41:04.980 information is the

00:41:05.840 important stuff?

00:41:07.860 Suppose you just said,

00:41:09.140 all right,

00:41:09.500 all right,

00:41:09.840 I see how that

00:41:10.660 could take 75 years.

00:41:12.200 But how about

00:41:12.720 you just give us

00:41:13.760 all of the data

00:41:16.180 results

00:41:17.560 with, you know,

00:41:18.740 maybe some

00:41:19.240 underlying data.

00:41:20.980 Don't you think

00:41:21.580 they have that

00:41:22.180 in a packaged form?

00:41:23.860 Are you telling me

00:41:24.560 that these randomized

00:41:25.420 controlled trials

00:41:26.660 weren't packaged up

00:41:28.860 already?

00:41:30.780 Nobody thought

00:41:31.600 to put all the data

00:41:32.340 in one place?

00:41:33.240 Maybe put it

00:41:33.900 on a spreadsheet?

00:41:34.440 Of course they did.

00:41:36.620 So how long

00:41:37.360 does it take you

00:41:37.920 to get all the data

00:41:38.660 that's already

00:41:39.140 packaged up?

00:41:41.000 It shouldn't take

00:41:41.840 too long.

00:41:43.180 Now,

00:41:43.540 suppose you wanted

00:41:44.160 more than that

00:41:44.740 and you wanted

00:41:45.140 all the emails

00:41:45.840 about it.

00:41:46.920 Well,

00:41:47.160 that would just

00:41:47.600 be the emails

00:41:48.220 since the pandemic

00:41:49.100 started,

00:41:50.260 right?

00:41:51.520 And you would

00:41:52.200 just do a search

00:41:52.960 for keywords,

00:41:55.120 do a search

00:41:55.760 and say,

00:41:56.460 you know,

00:41:56.760 give me every

00:41:57.300 coronavirus,

00:41:58.280 COVID,

00:41:59.100 or related term,

00:42:00.200 and you just

00:42:01.180 send them over.

00:42:03.160 If you had

00:42:03.840 all of their

00:42:04.300 digital communication

00:42:05.400 internally

00:42:06.020 and all of

00:42:07.260 their trial data,

00:42:09.380 how much extra

00:42:11.780 are you going

00:42:12.360 to get from

00:42:12.900 all the other

00:42:13.800 74 years?

00:42:15.520 Probably not a lot,

00:42:16.660 right?

00:42:16.980 There's got to be

00:42:17.520 some kind of

00:42:17.980 80-20 rule here,

00:42:19.300 but I feel like

00:42:19.920 it's more like

00:42:20.440 a 99-1.

00:42:22.100 Like the 1%

00:42:22.940 of the data

00:42:23.540 is really

00:42:24.420 99% of what

00:42:26.060 you need,

00:42:26.940 feels like.

00:42:27.480 I could be

00:42:29.220 wrong about that

00:42:29.940 very easily.

00:42:31.320 Very easily

00:42:31.960 could be wrong

00:42:32.440 about that.

00:42:34.200 But that's

00:42:34.800 what we know

00:42:35.200 about it.

00:42:35.540 If you thought

00:42:36.000 this 75-year

00:42:36.960 thing was

00:42:37.540 some indication

00:42:38.200 that Pfizer

00:42:39.920 had knowledge

00:42:41.360 that there

00:42:42.020 were problems

00:42:42.600 with the data,

00:42:43.740 I believe that

00:42:44.460 is thoroughly

00:42:45.260 debunked at

00:42:46.180 this point.

00:42:47.620 I think it's

00:42:48.240 really an FDA

00:42:48.900 problem.

00:42:50.580 Scott's

00:42:51.100 grasping at

00:42:51.920 straws.

00:42:53.460 Tyrone,

00:42:54.420 you're an

00:42:54.720 asshole.

00:42:55.360 Goodbye.

00:42:57.480 Do you know

00:42:58.360 what you could

00:42:58.800 say?

00:43:00.020 You could say

00:43:00.420 what I got

00:43:00.820 wrong.

00:43:02.620 You could add

00:43:03.120 context.

00:43:04.520 All right,

00:43:04.720 so Russia,

00:43:05.400 I'm going to

00:43:05.700 talk about

00:43:06.160 Dr. McCullough

00:43:07.180 on Joe

00:43:08.080 Rogan after I

00:43:08.940 do this next

00:43:09.460 segment.

00:43:10.040 Are you ready

00:43:10.400 for that?

00:43:11.320 How many of

00:43:11.920 you want to

00:43:12.540 know my

00:43:13.100 full opinion

00:43:13.780 on Dr.

00:43:14.620 McCullough

00:43:14.980 and what he

00:43:16.340 said on Joe

00:43:16.960 Rogan?

00:43:17.760 Well, I know

00:43:18.200 you're going to

00:43:18.580 stay for that.

00:43:19.180 But first,

00:43:19.620 let's talk

00:43:19.940 about Russia

00:43:20.480 who has

00:43:21.800 offered a

00:43:22.480 clean sheet

00:43:23.820 deal framework

00:43:26.000 with the West.

00:43:27.480 Huh.

00:43:29.040 Almost as

00:43:29.920 if Russia

00:43:31.460 finds it in

00:43:32.240 their interest

00:43:32.800 to be our

00:43:33.780 almost ally.

00:43:36.800 Because,

00:43:37.540 in my opinion,

00:43:38.920 the arc of

00:43:39.640 history is

00:43:40.360 unmistakably

00:43:41.320 bending in

00:43:42.180 that direction.

00:43:43.240 Meaning that,

00:43:44.040 in the long run,

00:43:44.680 Russia will be

00:43:45.340 our ally.

00:43:46.420 We should just

00:43:46.980 get over it

00:43:47.660 and make it

00:43:48.060 happen.

00:43:49.020 It's going to

00:43:49.780 happen.

00:43:50.740 Because it has

00:43:51.560 to.

00:43:52.340 Because, you

00:43:52.780 know, we're

00:43:53.020 going to need

00:43:53.400 each other in

00:43:54.220 space,

00:43:54.640 basically.

00:43:55.040 with China's

00:43:57.120 rise.

00:43:58.120 So, if you

00:43:58.840 know it's

00:43:59.220 going to

00:43:59.440 happen,

00:44:00.160 and I think

00:44:00.920 Russia does,

00:44:02.040 and I think

00:44:02.500 we do,

00:44:03.640 I find Russia's

00:44:05.300 offer productive.

00:44:08.380 Now, I don't

00:44:09.160 think we're going

00:44:09.640 to make a deal

00:44:10.180 based on these

00:44:10.880 terms.

00:44:11.680 But let me

00:44:12.100 read the terms,

00:44:13.480 and then you

00:44:13.940 tell me how

00:44:14.640 far off this

00:44:15.500 is from

00:44:16.460 something that

00:44:17.140 we might be

00:44:17.680 able to do.

00:44:18.780 Now, I think we

00:44:19.360 would have to

00:44:19.820 add more to

00:44:21.560 it.

00:44:22.420 So, this is

00:44:23.520 their offer.

00:44:24.500 It's not

00:44:25.060 something that

00:44:25.820 needs to be

00:44:27.120 evaluated as

00:44:27.920 an actual

00:44:28.440 deal.

00:44:29.220 It's just

00:44:29.780 their first

00:44:30.280 offer.

00:44:31.000 But this is

00:44:31.640 a pretty

00:44:31.940 strong first

00:44:32.660 offer.

00:44:33.540 There is

00:44:34.080 one part of

00:44:34.660 it that's

00:44:35.080 an instant

00:44:35.700 deal killer,

00:44:36.460 but they

00:44:36.700 know that.

00:44:37.880 And I would

00:44:38.280 say that maybe

00:44:39.240 we could work

00:44:39.800 with it.

00:44:40.080 All right,

00:44:40.300 here it is.

00:44:41.300 So, here's

00:44:41.700 what Russia

00:44:42.140 wants relative

00:44:44.020 to Ukraine

00:44:44.820 and the

00:44:45.480 situation over

00:44:46.040 there.

00:44:46.540 They want

00:44:46.880 to rule

00:44:47.200 out further

00:44:47.840 NATO

00:44:48.200 expansion in

00:44:49.660 general around

00:44:51.240 their border

00:44:51.700 and Ukraine

00:44:52.460 has any

00:44:54.100 path to

00:44:55.480 it.

00:44:56.000 So, they

00:44:56.320 don't want

00:44:56.760 Ukraine to

00:44:57.220 be part of

00:44:57.600 NATO.

00:44:58.900 Reasonable

00:44:59.300 or unreasonable?

00:45:02.100 Reasonable

00:45:02.580 or unreasonable?

00:45:04.680 Now, we

00:45:05.420 would like to

00:45:06.040 treat that as

00:45:06.760 unreasonable,

00:45:07.520 because that

00:45:07.860 would be the

00:45:08.240 proper negotiating

00:45:09.140 stance.

00:45:10.100 Nope, nope,

00:45:11.140 no way.

00:45:12.060 Because if you

00:45:12.840 have to give

00:45:13.300 that up at

00:45:13.860 some point in

00:45:14.500 any form,

00:45:15.500 you want to

00:45:15.980 get something

00:45:16.380 really big in

00:45:17.080 return.

00:45:18.780 Here's what I

00:45:19.540 would ask for

00:45:20.080 in return.

00:45:22.240 No cyber

00:45:23.260 attacks on

00:45:24.300 each other.

00:45:25.420 Now, is

00:45:26.380 that something

00:45:26.760 we could

00:45:27.140 actually get

00:45:27.820 or determine

00:45:28.700 that we

00:45:29.100 had gotten?

00:45:29.780 Would we

00:45:30.160 even know

00:45:30.500 who was

00:45:30.760 attacking us?

00:45:32.080 I don't

00:45:32.400 know.

00:45:33.720 Is there

00:45:34.300 a cyber

00:45:36.060 security expert

00:45:36.960 on here who

00:45:37.560 could tell

00:45:37.960 me, could

00:45:39.100 we ever make

00:45:39.780 a cyber

00:45:40.340 deal that

00:45:41.620 we could

00:45:41.940 verify was

00:45:42.900 holding?

00:45:44.280 Can anybody

00:45:44.680 tell you?

00:45:45.020 Is that even

00:45:45.340 possible?

00:45:46.540 Yeah, my

00:45:48.780 assumption is

00:45:50.500 probably not.

00:45:51.920 But we

00:45:52.360 keep acting

00:45:52.920 like we

00:45:53.380 know when

00:45:53.900 Russia has

00:45:54.720 hacked us,

00:45:55.280 right?

00:45:55.900 With Hillary's

00:45:56.580 email and

00:45:57.020 such.

00:45:57.920 So part of

00:45:58.520 this, you

00:45:59.160 know, maybe

00:45:59.500 if we tried

00:46:00.860 to make a

00:46:01.560 no cyber

00:46:02.420 hacking deal,

00:46:03.920 we probably

00:46:05.360 couldn't get

00:46:06.440 that deal,

00:46:06.960 could we?

00:46:11.120 Dr. Robert

00:46:11.920 Johnson says,

00:46:12.720 I'm shocked

00:46:13.220 Scott fell for

00:46:14.180 the 75 years

00:46:15.160 excuse.

00:46:16.100 Sad, such a

00:46:17.060 sheep.

00:46:18.840 Well, we'll

00:46:19.560 block you

00:46:20.260 today.

00:46:22.540 All right.

00:46:24.060 I feel if

00:46:25.300 we could, if

00:46:26.140 there was any

00:46:26.860 way to

00:46:28.740 make a

00:46:29.420 cyber attack

00:46:30.380 truce, I

00:46:34.900 think you'd

00:46:35.240 have to throw

00:46:35.700 that in there.

00:46:36.480 I would say

00:46:37.000 that blocking

00:46:38.040 NATO's

00:46:38.620 expansion without

00:46:40.000 that is a

00:46:41.540 non-starter.

00:46:42.940 What do you

00:46:43.300 think?

00:46:44.600 I think any

00:46:45.440 discussion of

00:46:46.240 limiting

00:46:46.900 NATO

00:46:47.340 anywhere can't

00:46:49.080 go forward as

00:46:49.880 long as Russia

00:46:51.100 is cyber

00:46:51.820 attacking us on

00:46:52.680 the regular.

00:46:53.760 Who would

00:46:54.080 agree with

00:46:54.440 that?

00:46:55.760 So the first

00:46:56.620 thing is, don't

00:46:57.240 assume that

00:46:57.680 their list is

00:46:58.360 the list you

00:46:58.860 negotiate from.

00:46:59.760 We can add

00:47:00.180 our own stuff.

00:47:01.680 And it could

00:47:02.280 be that we get

00:47:02.840 more benefit from

00:47:03.640 hacking them than

00:47:04.380 they get from

00:47:04.840 hacking us, so

00:47:05.880 maybe we don't

00:47:06.520 even want to

00:47:06.960 offer it.

00:47:07.800 It's possible we

00:47:08.820 don't want to

00:47:09.260 offer that.

00:47:10.100 I think you'd

00:47:10.560 have to be pretty

00:47:11.140 deep into that

00:47:11.820 world to know if

00:47:13.240 that makes sense.

00:47:13.880 How much do

00:47:15.880 we learn from

00:47:16.540 Russia hacks?

00:47:17.200 Good question.

00:47:21.300 Wrong.

00:47:21.900 Scott doesn't

00:47:22.540 understand that

00:47:23.300 Russia ought to

00:47:23.980 be our ally.

00:47:25.040 I'm just saying

00:47:25.660 Russia ought to

00:47:26.220 be our ally.

00:47:26.860 What are you

00:47:27.220 talking about?

00:47:30.020 Yeah, cyber

00:47:30.800 attacks are

00:47:31.260 status quo, but

00:47:32.280 I feel like we

00:47:34.440 should be at

00:47:34.960 least trying to

00:47:35.780 negotiate some

00:47:36.780 way out of

00:47:37.260 that.

00:47:37.920 I don't know.

00:47:38.320 Then they're

00:47:40.040 asking not to

00:47:41.420 deploy additional

00:47:42.180 troops outside

00:47:45.040 any country which

00:47:46.080 they were in

00:47:46.660 before some

00:47:47.380 date, blah,

00:47:47.920 blah, blah,

00:47:48.280 before any

00:47:49.280 Eastern European

00:47:49.920 countries joined

00:47:50.700 the alliance,

00:47:51.960 blah, blah,

00:47:52.660 blah.

00:47:53.020 So they don't

00:47:53.600 want extra

00:47:54.460 troops that

00:47:55.140 would threaten

00:47:55.780 them.

00:47:56.360 They want to

00:47:57.120 abandon NATO

00:47:57.980 military activities

00:47:59.080 in the Ukraine,

00:48:00.320 so don't do

00:48:00.820 any military

00:48:01.520 training there.

00:48:03.580 Don't put

00:48:04.460 intermediate and

00:48:05.340 short-range

00:48:05.840 missiles there.

00:48:06.740 not to

00:48:08.140 conduct any

00:48:08.680 exercises with

00:48:10.120 more than

00:48:10.680 one military

00:48:11.460 brigade.

00:48:14.600 I'll tell you,

00:48:15.280 this one is the

00:48:16.020 one that signals

00:48:16.820 they're serious.

00:48:19.320 If Russia gave

00:48:20.680 us a list of

00:48:21.340 things that you

00:48:21.840 just looked at

00:48:22.440 and you said,

00:48:22.940 no, this is

00:48:24.400 all crap, then

00:48:26.400 it would mean

00:48:26.840 that they don't

00:48:27.360 really even mean

00:48:28.460 to have any

00:48:28.920 kind of deal.

00:48:30.120 But this one

00:48:30.700 really signals

00:48:32.000 some seriousness.

00:48:33.580 Not to

00:48:34.060 conduct exercises

00:48:35.660 with more than

00:48:36.480 one military

00:48:37.220 brigade.

00:48:38.420 The fact that

00:48:39.060 they would

00:48:39.380 allow that

00:48:39.980 there could

00:48:40.820 be military

00:48:41.500 exercises, but

00:48:43.140 they should be

00:48:43.680 small enough that

00:48:44.520 they don't look

00:48:45.000 like an attack,

00:48:46.100 that actually

00:48:46.740 feels kind of

00:48:47.380 reasonable,

00:48:48.180 doesn't it?

00:48:49.320 I mean, if it

00:48:49.940 were part of

00:48:50.400 the larger deal,

00:48:51.360 not if it's

00:48:52.240 on its own.

00:48:55.300 Here's the

00:48:55.860 next one.

00:48:56.780 This is what

00:48:57.560 Russia is asking.

00:48:58.400 To confirm

00:48:59.660 that the parties

00:49:00.460 do not consider

00:49:01.400 each other as

00:49:02.260 adversaries,

00:49:03.180 and agree to

00:49:04.860 resolve all

00:49:05.520 disputes peacefully

00:49:06.480 and refrain

00:49:07.140 from the use

00:49:07.740 of force.

00:49:09.480 Huh.

00:49:10.800 What would be

00:49:11.540 another way to

00:49:12.260 phrase that?

00:49:13.760 To confirm

00:49:14.500 that parties

00:49:15.100 do not

00:49:15.680 consider themselves,

00:49:17.740 to confirm

00:49:18.720 that you're

00:49:19.180 not the

00:49:20.600 opposite of

00:49:22.400 an ally.

00:49:24.040 Let's see,

00:49:24.400 if I confirm

00:49:25.140 that I'm not

00:49:26.040 the opposite

00:49:26.960 of an ally,

00:49:28.640 what am I?

00:49:29.780 This is it.

00:49:34.520 What have I

00:49:35.620 been telling

00:49:36.080 you for

00:49:37.120 actually years

00:49:37.860 now?

00:49:38.300 I've been

00:49:38.520 telling you

00:49:38.860 this.

00:49:40.220 Russia needs

00:49:41.040 to be an

00:49:41.480 ally with

00:49:41.940 us.

00:49:42.780 It's totally

00:49:43.840 in their

00:49:44.160 best interest.

00:49:45.640 And probably

00:49:46.660 ours too,

00:49:47.340 if we can

00:49:47.760 work out

00:49:48.240 all these

00:49:49.040 little cyber

00:49:49.620 things and

00:49:50.300 other stuff.

00:49:51.960 They're saying

00:49:52.640 it directly.

00:49:55.760 I feel like

00:49:56.760 that's something

00:49:57.260 you don't put

00:49:58.100 in a document

00:49:58.940 unless you

00:49:59.560 mean it.

00:50:02.460 Because you

00:50:03.000 don't really

00:50:03.300 see people

00:50:03.720 talk this

00:50:04.260 way, do you?

00:50:05.320 When you

00:50:05.780 see companies

00:50:06.420 that are sort

00:50:06.940 of at each

00:50:07.460 other and

00:50:07.800 they've got

00:50:08.060 a conflict,

00:50:08.960 they don't

00:50:09.380 say directly,

00:50:10.940 why not be

00:50:11.680 friends?

00:50:13.240 That's what

00:50:13.800 Putin just

00:50:14.240 said.

00:50:15.000 Basically,

00:50:15.560 this is as

00:50:16.020 directly as

00:50:16.720 you can

00:50:17.020 state,

00:50:18.000 why don't

00:50:18.320 we just

00:50:18.620 say we'll

00:50:19.080 get along?

00:50:20.100 Because we

00:50:20.680 don't really

00:50:21.020 have a reason

00:50:21.440 not to.

00:50:22.900 Right?

00:50:23.800 I've been

00:50:24.280 telling you the

00:50:24.700 whole time,

00:50:25.020 we don't have

00:50:25.440 a reason to

00:50:26.160 be at each

00:50:26.680 other.

00:50:27.300 But we have

00:50:27.700 plenty of

00:50:28.160 reasons to

00:50:28.560 be allies.

00:50:29.660 I mean,

00:50:29.940 the list of

00:50:31.680 good reasons

00:50:32.260 to be allies

00:50:32.900 is almost

00:50:33.520 infinite.

00:50:35.320 I mean,

00:50:35.980 you would die

00:50:37.500 before you

00:50:38.180 finish the

00:50:39.900 list.

00:50:40.780 The list of

00:50:41.680 reasons to

00:50:42.200 be enemies?

00:50:43.780 Zero.

00:50:45.340 Zero.

00:50:46.780 None.

00:50:47.720 Not one.

00:50:48.440 And I don't

00:50:49.040 think Russia

00:50:49.520 sees one.

00:50:50.580 I don't

00:50:50.840 think the

00:50:51.360 United States

00:50:52.240 sees one.

00:50:52.740 And to

00:50:53.480 me, this

00:50:53.880 looks like

00:50:54.380 just sort

00:50:56.700 of, what

00:50:57.940 do you

00:50:58.060 call it,

00:50:58.400 inertia.

00:50:59.700 It's just

00:51:00.140 some kind

00:51:00.720 of leftover

00:51:01.300 inertia from

00:51:02.120 the Cold

00:51:02.460 War or

00:51:02.840 something.

00:51:04.060 Anyway, I

00:51:05.160 think the

00:51:05.560 Russia situation

00:51:06.380 is going to

00:51:06.800 go the way

00:51:07.220 we want it

00:51:07.800 in the long

00:51:08.220 run.

00:51:08.820 The way

00:51:09.120 they want

00:51:09.500 it to.

00:51:11.120 Apparently,

00:51:11.700 China is

00:51:12.120 offering to

00:51:12.620 pay social

00:51:14.340 media influencers

00:51:15.160 to say that

00:51:15.920 the Olympics

00:51:16.980 are awesome.

00:51:17.540 and they've

00:51:18.660 hired a

00:51:19.080 public relations

00:51:19.880 firm in

00:51:20.440 New Jersey

00:51:20.900 to get

00:51:22.480 social media

00:51:23.460 influencers to

00:51:24.440 say good

00:51:24.820 things about

00:51:25.300 the Olympics

00:51:25.900 in China.

00:51:28.360 At this

00:51:28.840 point,

00:51:29.100 U.S.,

00:51:29.440 Australia,

00:51:30.340 and Canada

00:51:30.780 have all,

00:51:32.000 they're all

00:51:32.700 going to

00:51:32.900 boycott with

00:51:33.620 their diplomatic

00:51:35.280 stuff.

00:51:36.260 The athletes

00:51:37.140 will still

00:51:37.600 participate.

00:51:39.200 And

00:51:39.460 why are

00:51:42.960 we letting

00:51:43.500 China pay

00:51:45.220 influencers?

00:51:46.460 How would

00:51:46.980 you like to

00:51:47.500 be an

00:51:47.820 influencer

00:51:48.280 that somebody

00:51:49.000 finds out

00:51:49.580 was paid

00:51:50.020 by China?

00:51:51.760 What would

00:51:52.540 happen to

00:51:53.180 your influence?

00:51:55.400 Isn't this

00:51:55.880 a death

00:51:57.180 sentence?

00:51:58.920 I can't

00:51:59.900 think of

00:52:00.280 any

00:52:00.660 influencer

00:52:01.220 who would

00:52:01.780 have the

00:52:02.180 clout,

00:52:03.440 or let's

00:52:04.040 say the

00:52:04.320 anti-fragility,

00:52:05.580 if you will,

00:52:06.840 to survive

00:52:07.860 knowing that

00:52:09.000 China paid

00:52:09.580 them to

00:52:10.460 say good

00:52:10.860 things about

00:52:11.240 the Olympics.

00:52:11.840 Who could

00:52:12.180 survive that?

00:52:14.520 I'm so

00:52:15.320 curious if

00:52:16.200 this company

00:52:16.900 that took

00:52:17.340 their money,

00:52:18.660 the $300,000

00:52:19.560 to get

00:52:20.140 these

00:52:20.480 influencers,

00:52:21.320 I'm so

00:52:21.900 curious if

00:52:22.440 they can

00:52:22.700 find any.

00:52:23.760 Now it

00:52:24.140 doesn't take

00:52:24.560 much money

00:52:25.080 to influence

00:52:26.380 an influencer

00:52:26.900 because there

00:52:27.300 are a lot

00:52:27.480 of them who

00:52:27.780 don't have

00:52:28.120 much money

00:52:28.680 but have

00:52:29.420 big platforms.

00:52:30.960 So maybe,

00:52:31.940 maybe you can

00:52:33.080 find somebody

00:52:33.560 who will take

00:52:33.840 money for

00:52:34.240 anything.

00:52:35.420 And they

00:52:35.740 might not

00:52:36.120 even,

00:52:36.420 if it's

00:52:36.720 young enough

00:52:37.160 people,

00:52:37.520 they might

00:52:37.820 not even

00:52:38.180 know they're

00:52:38.480 doing anything

00:52:38.900 wrong.

00:52:40.120 You get a

00:52:42.060 19-year-old

00:52:42.920 influencer

00:52:43.440 and you

00:52:44.160 say,

00:52:44.380 I'll give

00:52:44.640 you $20,000

00:52:45.900 to say

00:52:46.580 some good

00:52:46.940 things.

00:52:47.740 I don't

00:52:48.300 think they're

00:52:48.660 thinking in

00:52:49.260 terms of

00:52:50.460 international

00:52:51.100 relations.

00:52:52.240 I think

00:52:52.500 they're

00:52:52.660 thinking in

00:52:53.100 terms of

00:52:53.540 $20,000.

00:52:55.160 That's real

00:52:55.840 money.

00:52:57.980 All right,

00:52:58.420 so that's

00:52:59.660 disgusting.

00:53:02.820 Even CNN

00:53:03.980 has an article

00:53:04.980 in which,

00:53:06.220 or was it

00:53:06.680 CNN?

00:53:06.940 But there

00:53:08.200 is talk

00:53:08.600 among experts

00:53:09.300 that the

00:53:09.960 Omicron might

00:53:10.660 act like a

00:53:11.220 vaccination.

00:53:12.400 So we

00:53:12.960 still have

00:53:13.400 reason to

00:53:13.840 be worried

00:53:14.340 just because

00:53:15.360 it will be

00:53:15.880 so spready.

00:53:17.180 But listen

00:53:17.560 to this data

00:53:18.260 that I don't

00:53:19.320 believe will

00:53:19.980 necessarily hold

00:53:20.920 up.

00:53:21.860 But here's

00:53:22.480 some data

00:53:22.880 about Omicron.

00:53:24.420 Remember,

00:53:25.000 it's still

00:53:25.320 fog of war.

00:53:26.740 All these

00:53:27.140 numbers could

00:53:27.660 be wrong.

00:53:28.780 But it's

00:53:29.840 coming from

00:53:30.620 experts.

00:53:32.300 And the

00:53:32.720 experts say

00:53:33.260 that it

00:53:33.780 infects people

00:53:34.440 about 70

00:53:35.460 times faster

00:53:36.480 than

00:53:36.800 earlier

00:53:37.260 strains.

00:53:39.820 What?

00:53:41.520 70 times

00:53:42.460 faster than

00:53:43.680 the thing

00:53:44.060 that just

00:53:44.380 took out

00:53:44.760 the world?

00:53:46.400 70 times

00:53:47.300 faster than

00:53:47.940 the pandemic

00:53:48.520 itself?

00:53:50.360 What?

00:53:51.620 Does that

00:53:52.380 sound right?

00:53:53.960 I mean,

00:53:54.660 I don't

00:53:54.880 believe it,

00:53:55.480 do you?

00:53:56.340 You know,

00:53:56.580 if they said

00:53:56.980 five times,

00:53:58.080 I'd be like,

00:53:58.760 well,

00:53:58.980 maybe five

00:53:59.860 times,

00:54:00.360 but 70

00:54:00.900 times?

00:54:02.580 If it

00:54:03.280 said 70

00:54:03.920 percent faster,

00:54:05.000 I'd say,

00:54:05.340 oh,

00:54:05.600 that's a lot.

00:54:07.200 But 70

00:54:07.740 times?

00:54:08.720 Do you

00:54:09.020 believe that?

00:54:10.280 If it's

00:54:10.860 70 times,

00:54:11.600 it's going

00:54:11.860 to be over

00:54:12.200 in a month,

00:54:13.520 right?

00:54:14.440 Can somebody

00:54:15.260 do the

00:54:15.640 math,

00:54:16.040 but off

00:54:16.320 the top

00:54:17.500 of my

00:54:17.780 head,

00:54:18.900 we're 30

00:54:19.480 days to

00:54:20.080 total

00:54:20.420 infection,

00:54:20.920 if it's

00:54:21.420 70 times

00:54:22.020 as

00:54:22.180 spreading.

00:54:23.240 Am I

00:54:23.540 wrong about

00:54:23.920 that?

00:54:25.900 Just off

00:54:26.780 the top of

00:54:27.180 your head,

00:54:27.480 if anybody's

00:54:28.080 just sort

00:54:28.440 of good

00:54:28.780 at math,

00:54:31.100 you know,

00:54:31.340 this is one

00:54:31.760 you don't

00:54:31.980 have time

00:54:32.340 to do

00:54:32.580 the math,

00:54:33.120 but on

00:54:33.440 the top

00:54:33.740 of your

00:54:33.920 head,

00:54:34.940 if it's

00:54:35.360 70 times

00:54:36.000 more

00:54:36.320 spready,

00:54:37.140 we're done

00:54:37.520 in 30

00:54:37.920 days,

00:54:38.320 aren't we?

00:54:40.260 Somebody

00:54:40.660 says 10

00:54:41.140 days,

00:54:41.680 you might

00:54:42.240 not be

00:54:42.560 wrong.

00:54:44.660 All right,

00:54:45.080 well,

00:54:46.000 and I feel

00:54:46.580 like if it

00:54:47.060 were really

00:54:47.480 that fast,

00:54:48.540 it would

00:54:49.500 have been

00:54:50.480 more spread

00:54:51.100 already,

00:54:51.660 but I guess

00:54:52.280 it starts

00:54:52.680 slow.

00:54:53.420 Sort of like

00:54:53.940 the grain of

00:54:54.760 rice on the

00:54:55.320 checkerboard,

00:54:55.960 if you know

00:54:56.400 that story.

00:54:56.900 But here,

00:54:58.660 and it's

00:54:58.920 also 10

00:55:01.060 times,

00:55:03.020 or the

00:55:03.300 infection is

00:55:03.980 about 10

00:55:05.200 times lower

00:55:05.980 in lung

00:55:06.480 tissue.

00:55:07.720 So it's

00:55:08.880 70 times

00:55:09.620 more spready,

00:55:10.940 but 10

00:55:11.900 times less

00:55:12.700 infection in

00:55:13.720 your lung

00:55:14.140 tissue,

00:55:14.620 which is

00:55:15.080 where the

00:55:15.360 problem would

00:55:15.860 be.

00:55:16.360 10 times.

00:55:17.760 How many

00:55:18.360 people are

00:55:18.860 going to

00:55:19.120 die with

00:55:20.960 a virus

00:55:21.460 that's 10

00:55:22.540 times less

00:55:23.320 infective than

00:55:24.340 the ones that

00:55:25.020 isn't killing

00:55:25.720 hardly anybody?

00:55:27.880 It's a terrible

00:55:28.780 sentence,

00:55:29.440 but you know

00:55:29.780 what I mean.

00:55:33.240 The news is

00:55:34.260 having a tough

00:55:34.780 time dealing

00:55:35.260 with this

00:55:35.660 because all

00:55:36.980 early indications

00:55:37.860 are that this

00:55:38.640 will solve

00:55:39.160 the pandemic.

00:55:40.400 It will

00:55:40.960 create extra

00:55:42.460 hospital impact,

00:55:43.860 even in

00:55:44.880 mild form,

00:55:45.840 just because

00:55:46.340 of the rapidity

00:55:47.660 of it.

00:55:48.040 It'll hit so

00:55:48.680 many people

00:55:49.100 at once.

00:55:50.320 So I doubt

00:55:51.620 that the risk

00:55:52.700 is zero.

00:55:53.560 I'm sure

00:55:53.880 people will

00:55:54.360 die of

00:55:54.780 Omicron just

00:55:55.500 like they

00:55:55.860 die of

00:55:56.280 every other

00:55:57.380 medicine they

00:55:58.140 take,

00:55:58.420 basically.

00:55:58.920 Somebody

00:55:59.160 does.

00:56:01.300 But damn.

00:56:03.820 Damn.

00:56:05.640 I think

00:56:07.100 we're 30

00:56:07.620 days away

00:56:08.220 from the

00:56:10.240 entire

00:56:10.720 traditional

00:56:12.940 way to

00:56:13.680 handle this

00:56:14.080 pandemic.

00:56:14.460 It just

00:56:14.740 won't make

00:56:15.120 any sense

00:56:15.620 as if it

00:56:17.240 ever did.

00:56:18.580 Well,

00:56:19.020 remember I

00:56:19.500 told you

00:56:19.960 that Michael

00:56:20.980 Schellenberger

00:56:21.660 keeps making

00:56:22.760 things happen

00:56:23.440 first in

00:56:25.240 the nuclear

00:56:25.700 domain and

00:56:26.420 then you

00:56:26.920 saw that

00:56:27.260 San Francisco's

00:56:28.040 mayor completely

00:56:29.160 changed her

00:56:29.960 viewpoint.

00:56:30.900 That was

00:56:31.100 another thing

00:56:31.580 that he and

00:56:32.000 his group

00:56:32.380 were working

00:56:32.820 on.

00:56:34.300 And today,

00:56:35.960 yet again,

00:56:37.140 yet again.

00:56:39.100 So it

00:56:39.440 turns out

00:56:39.940 that the

00:56:43.400 Netherlands

00:56:43.840 has now

00:56:44.380 joined the

00:56:44.840 UK and

00:56:45.320 France in

00:56:45.820 announcing a

00:56:46.460 major expansion

00:56:47.460 of nuclear.

00:56:50.500 And

00:56:50.820 Michael has

00:56:52.440 an article

00:56:53.300 on Substack

00:56:54.080 and a

00:56:54.780 tweet thread

00:56:55.240 talking about

00:56:56.560 how did

00:56:57.360 this happen?

00:56:58.200 How did

00:56:58.840 we so

00:56:59.280 quickly go

00:57:01.200 from

00:57:01.800 nuclear is

00:57:04.080 bad to

00:57:04.580 let's build

00:57:05.060 nuclear as

00:57:05.600 fast as we

00:57:06.160 can?

00:57:07.400 And the

00:57:08.340 answer is

00:57:08.840 that one

00:57:09.220 of the

00:57:09.400 people over

00:57:10.040 in the

00:57:10.400 Netherlands

00:57:10.880 telling them

00:57:11.920 what they

00:57:12.240 should have

00:57:12.580 done is

00:57:13.440 Michael

00:57:15.140 Schellenberger.

00:57:17.460 Every place

00:57:18.620 something is

00:57:19.140 changing,

00:57:20.320 he's there.

00:57:21.820 He's the

00:57:22.260 best persuader

00:57:23.000 I've ever

00:57:23.480 seen, I

00:57:24.460 think.

00:57:25.980 And I've

00:57:27.640 been trying to

00:57:28.040 figure out

00:57:28.400 exactly what

00:57:29.460 makes him so

00:57:30.140 effective.

00:57:30.840 One is that

00:57:31.420 he argues

00:57:32.060 from data.

00:57:33.140 The other

00:57:33.500 is that you

00:57:34.020 actually can't

00:57:34.780 tell what

00:57:35.720 his political

00:57:36.340 affiliation is.

00:57:38.740 I mean,

00:57:39.380 I know him

00:57:39.940 pretty well

00:57:40.520 from this

00:57:42.420 sort of stuff.

00:57:44.160 And I

00:57:44.840 don't know.

00:57:46.680 I don't

00:57:47.160 know.

00:57:48.320 Does he

00:57:48.780 lean left

00:57:49.400 or right?

00:57:50.340 I know

00:57:50.900 on social

00:57:51.400 stuff, he

00:57:52.640 had

00:57:52.800 traditionally

00:57:53.280 leaned

00:57:53.660 left.

00:57:55.140 But when

00:57:55.780 it comes to

00:57:56.400 hard analytics

00:57:57.420 of what

00:57:58.260 works and

00:57:58.720 what doesn't,

00:57:59.500 that's not

00:58:00.080 left or

00:58:00.500 right.

00:58:01.800 The hard

00:58:02.340 analytics of

00:58:03.020 it are just

00:58:03.440 numbers.

00:58:04.880 And so he

00:58:05.300 just does

00:58:05.760 the numbers

00:58:06.200 where they

00:58:06.580 come out.

00:58:08.280 And he

00:58:09.640 doesn't give

00:58:10.160 anybody a

00:58:10.760 reason to

00:58:11.260 be against

00:58:11.720 him, which

00:58:13.700 is different,

00:58:14.320 isn't it?

00:58:15.140 Have you

00:58:15.460 noticed that

00:58:15.880 everybody who's

00:58:16.520 a proponent

00:58:17.260 of just

00:58:17.740 about anything

00:58:18.380 is also

00:58:19.600 toxic?

00:58:21.100 Have you

00:58:21.400 noticed that?

00:58:21.920 Including me,

00:58:22.540 right?

00:58:23.320 So I'm

00:58:24.200 somewhat toxic

00:58:25.280 because I'm

00:58:26.100 sort of in

00:58:26.580 the fight.

00:58:27.160 You know,

00:58:27.300 you get

00:58:27.780 slimed with

00:58:28.700 every related

00:58:30.040 thing.

00:58:31.140 But somehow,

00:58:32.900 Schellenberger,

00:58:33.740 I think mostly

00:58:34.320 by staying out

00:58:35.000 of the true

00:58:35.780 political parts

00:58:36.660 of the questions,

00:58:37.340 you know,

00:58:37.460 he's not backing

00:58:38.100 any candidate

00:58:38.700 or anything.

00:58:39.100 So I

00:58:40.360 think that

00:58:41.500 may be the

00:58:42.020 brilliant part

00:58:42.640 of what he

00:58:42.960 did.

00:58:43.320 Everybody

00:58:43.560 thinks,

00:58:44.280 everybody

00:58:47.960 thinks that

00:58:49.840 he's on

00:58:50.180 their side.

00:58:51.640 And guess

00:58:52.000 what?

00:58:52.940 They're all

00:58:53.580 right.

00:58:54.840 Everybody who

00:58:55.440 thinks that

00:58:55.840 Michael

00:58:56.100 Schellenberger

00:58:56.640 is on their

00:58:57.320 side,

00:58:58.240 they're all

00:58:58.760 right.

00:58:59.560 Because he's

00:58:59.980 on all of

00:59:00.500 their sides.

00:59:01.300 He's just

00:59:01.740 telling you what

00:59:02.220 works and what

00:59:02.740 doesn't.

00:59:03.080 That's it.

00:59:04.380 There's nothing

00:59:04.980 else there.

00:59:05.440 He's just,

00:59:05.840 this works,

00:59:06.580 this doesn't,

00:59:07.540 based on the

00:59:08.160 data,

00:59:09.280 you know,

00:59:09.540 debunk this,

00:59:10.340 debunk that.

00:59:11.360 But if you

00:59:12.580 take his

00:59:13.280 impeccable

00:59:14.160 persuasion

00:59:15.000 skills,

00:59:16.400 you add it

00:59:17.040 with probably

00:59:17.800 a better

00:59:19.780 ability to

00:59:20.560 analyze things

00:59:21.620 than anybody

00:59:22.220 else who's

00:59:22.700 in this

00:59:23.100 conversation,

00:59:24.380 my God,

00:59:26.140 he is

00:59:26.460 cutting a

00:59:27.000 swath

00:59:27.540 through

00:59:28.940 bad opinions

00:59:31.100 like nothing

00:59:31.780 I've ever

00:59:32.180 seen.

00:59:33.020 Now,

00:59:33.300 interestingly,

00:59:34.000 he picks

00:59:34.380 the domains

00:59:36.720 in which

00:59:38.240 if you

00:59:38.900 believed

00:59:39.420 the

00:59:40.200 correct

00:59:40.760 information,

00:59:42.000 you get

00:59:42.400 a better

00:59:42.660 result.

00:59:44.360 Which is

00:59:45.060 interesting that

00:59:45.720 they even

00:59:46.200 exist.

00:59:47.500 Why does it

00:59:48.060 exist that

00:59:49.300 anybody thought

00:59:50.080 that,

00:59:50.480 say,

00:59:50.760 removing,

00:59:51.920 defunding the

00:59:52.740 police was

00:59:53.220 going to

00:59:53.440 help?

00:59:54.460 Why was

00:59:55.180 that ever

00:59:55.580 even a

00:59:55.940 conversation?

00:59:56.840 So he

00:59:57.200 can get

00:59:57.540 into

00:59:57.700 conversations

00:59:58.300 where people

00:59:58.840 are completely

00:59:59.640 irrationally

01:00:00.580 blocked and

01:00:02.140 somehow break

01:00:02.800 the logjam.

01:00:03.980 it's really

01:00:04.800 remarkable.

01:00:05.920 So keep

01:00:06.560 watching him.

01:00:08.900 I asked

01:00:09.780 this question.

01:00:12.000 Here's a

01:00:12.400 primer for

01:00:12.980 you.

01:00:14.340 If you

01:00:15.280 saw that

01:00:17.240 a medical

01:00:18.480 expert

01:00:19.020 disagreed

01:00:20.700 with a

01:00:21.260 person who

01:00:22.480 was an

01:00:22.680 expert in

01:00:23.320 data analysis

01:00:24.160 and the

01:00:25.400 disagreement

01:00:26.060 was about

01:00:26.620 the validity

01:00:27.200 of a

01:00:28.000 study.

01:00:29.360 So that's

01:00:29.760 the only

01:00:30.020 question,

01:00:30.480 the validity

01:00:30.960 of some

01:00:31.460 study.

01:00:31.900 And there

01:00:32.920 was an

01:00:33.300 expert who

01:00:33.960 had every

01:00:34.680 medical

01:00:35.160 qualification

01:00:35.940 and,

01:00:37.280 you know,

01:00:37.460 just really

01:00:37.920 deep medical

01:00:38.720 qualifications

01:00:39.600 that are

01:00:39.980 exact to

01:00:40.820 this domain.

01:00:42.440 The data

01:00:42.940 analyst doesn't

01:00:43.640 have any

01:00:43.980 of that,

01:00:45.180 but is just

01:00:45.740 good at

01:00:46.080 looking at

01:00:46.560 studies.

01:00:47.860 And they

01:00:48.460 disagree on

01:00:49.460 whether the

01:00:49.880 study is

01:00:50.340 good or

01:00:50.700 bad.

01:00:50.960 Which one

01:00:51.280 do you

01:00:51.460 believe?

01:00:52.940 Who do

01:00:53.440 you trust?

01:00:54.480 The expert

01:00:55.160 or the

01:00:57.040 other expert?

01:00:58.720 Yeah,

01:00:59.180 the correct

01:00:59.840 answer is the

01:01:00.460 data analyst.

01:01:01.900 Because there's

01:01:02.800 only one

01:01:03.200 expert in

01:01:03.680 the story.

01:01:05.520 See, it's

01:01:06.100 a trick

01:01:06.380 question.

01:01:07.420 I gave you

01:01:07.900 a setup where

01:01:08.460 there was

01:01:08.740 only one

01:01:09.140 expert.

01:01:10.420 Because if

01:01:10.880 you're looking

01:01:11.220 at data,

01:01:12.060 that other

01:01:12.420 stuff isn't

01:01:12.860 going to

01:01:13.040 help you.

01:01:14.360 Does the

01:01:15.660 data look

01:01:16.060 right?

01:01:16.340 Did they

01:01:16.580 do it

01:01:16.840 right?

01:01:17.240 Did they

01:01:17.540 have proper

01:01:18.200 controls?

01:01:19.020 That sort

01:01:19.340 of thing.

01:01:20.520 So,

01:01:21.700 as Andres

01:01:25.660 Beckhouse

01:01:26.160 points out,

01:01:27.360 one of the

01:01:27.880 things that

01:01:28.220 Dr.

01:01:28.520 McCullough,

01:01:29.200 who we'll

01:01:29.600 talk about,

01:01:30.080 who was

01:01:31.040 on Joe

01:01:31.660 Rogan's

01:01:32.180 podcast,

01:01:33.560 one of the

01:01:33.920 things that

01:01:34.240 he tweeted,

01:01:34.880 the doctor

01:01:35.260 did,

01:01:35.860 is a study

01:01:37.200 about young

01:01:39.000 people with

01:01:39.480 myocarditis,

01:01:40.740 and they

01:01:41.520 found that

01:01:42.040 like 98%

01:01:43.680 of them

01:01:44.120 had myocarditis,

01:01:46.820 and these

01:01:47.340 are people

01:01:47.620 who have

01:01:47.800 been vaccinated.

01:01:49.120 So he

01:01:49.360 tweeted that.

01:01:50.800 Now,

01:01:51.240 that's pretty,

01:01:52.660 yeah,

01:01:53.000 look at this,

01:01:53.740 Scott is

01:01:54.140 waking up,

01:01:54.820 right?

01:01:55.020 So the

01:01:56.580 doctor,

01:01:57.180 who's a

01:01:57.740 very highly

01:01:58.640 qualified

01:01:59.080 expert,

01:01:59.860 both in

01:02:00.380 cardiology and

01:02:01.820 I believe

01:02:02.140 virology,

01:02:03.600 if I'm

01:02:03.840 correct,

01:02:04.280 right?

01:02:04.720 The two

01:02:05.100 most relevant

01:02:06.020 expertise,

01:02:08.400 and he

01:02:08.780 says that

01:02:09.700 these,

01:02:10.440 that these

01:02:13.660 vaccinated

01:02:14.140 people,

01:02:15.600 98% of

01:02:16.680 them,

01:02:16.880 and they're

01:02:17.080 young,

01:02:18.660 had in

01:02:19.600 fact myocarditis.

01:02:21.360 So that's

01:02:22.060 what the

01:02:22.320 expert said,

01:02:23.020 and he

01:02:23.260 sent that

01:02:23.660 around.

01:02:25.020 Am I

01:02:26.120 woke enough

01:02:26.940 yet?

01:02:27.980 Does anybody

01:02:28.400 think I'm

01:02:28.840 woke enough

01:02:29.280 now?

01:02:31.560 On YouTube,

01:02:32.680 there's somebody

01:02:33.040 here saying,

01:02:33.540 oh, now you're

01:02:34.040 getting it,

01:02:34.600 aren't you?

01:02:36.020 Okay.

01:02:37.280 But as we

01:02:38.080 mentioned,

01:02:38.840 the good

01:02:39.380 doctor is an

01:02:39.980 expert in

01:02:40.700 cardiology and

01:02:42.060 virology,

01:02:42.800 but not data

01:02:43.500 analysis.

01:02:44.580 Not data

01:02:45.120 analysis.

01:02:46.140 I'll tell you

01:02:46.640 somebody who's

01:02:47.100 good at data

01:02:47.580 analysis,

01:02:48.500 Andres

01:02:48.900 Bacchaus,

01:02:49.700 who looked

01:02:50.380 at that

01:02:50.700 tweet and

01:02:51.380 informs us

01:02:52.140 that the

01:02:53.400 98% people

01:02:54.600 who had

01:02:54.980 myocarditis

01:02:55.880 are selected

01:02:57.040 from a

01:02:57.500 group of

01:02:57.920 people who

01:02:58.380 had myocarditis.

01:03:00.640 Does it

01:03:01.260 sound like I

01:03:01.840 said that

01:03:02.200 wrong?

01:03:03.200 No.

01:03:03.540 They found

01:03:03.940 out that 98%

01:03:05.160 of the people

01:03:05.620 with myocarditis

01:03:06.660 have myocarditis.

01:03:09.380 That's what

01:03:09.960 they found

01:03:10.300 out.

01:03:12.820 Because they

01:03:13.480 only study

01:03:14.040 people who

01:03:14.500 had clear

01:03:15.260 symptoms of

01:03:15.920 myocarditis.

01:03:16.660 if you

01:03:18.040 study people

01:03:18.660 that the

01:03:19.180 doctors say

01:03:19.940 well that's

01:03:20.380 definitely

01:03:20.660 myocarditis

01:03:21.500 and then

01:03:22.780 they look

01:03:23.120 into it

01:03:23.520 and they

01:03:23.780 do the

01:03:24.120 imaging

01:03:24.500 and they

01:03:25.240 go yep

01:03:25.640 sure enough

01:03:26.280 there's

01:03:27.020 some

01:03:27.160 myocarditis

01:03:27.820 there.

01:03:29.060 What would

01:03:29.460 you expect?

01:03:30.580 All it

01:03:30.940 says is

01:03:31.340 doctors are

01:03:31.860 pretty good

01:03:32.180 at spotting

01:03:32.660 myocarditis.

01:03:34.600 But,

01:03:35.780 so that's

01:03:36.440 what Andres

01:03:36.980 points out

01:03:37.520 that it

01:03:37.840 was a

01:03:38.160 completely

01:03:38.620 misleading

01:03:39.360 headline.

01:03:40.140 But this

01:03:42.280 is something

01:03:42.720 that your

01:03:43.440 doctor who

01:03:45.320 is very

01:03:45.940 qualified as

01:03:46.640 far as I

01:03:47.000 can tell in

01:03:47.780 all the

01:03:48.180 relevant fields

01:03:48.860 except data

01:03:50.340 analysis.

01:03:51.740 So I did

01:03:52.460 as you

01:03:53.040 requested and

01:03:54.140 listened to

01:03:54.760 Dr. McCullough

01:03:56.380 on Joe

01:03:57.300 Rogan and

01:03:58.760 here are

01:03:59.660 some of my

01:04:00.280 thoughts.

01:04:01.740 He said a

01:04:02.500 bunch of

01:04:02.800 things I

01:04:03.160 agree with

01:04:03.700 first of all.

01:04:05.440 So for a

01:04:06.020 long time I

01:04:06.740 was listening

01:04:07.220 and I was

01:04:07.620 thinking where's

01:04:08.560 the provocative

01:04:09.120 part?

01:04:10.140 Because I

01:04:10.960 agree with

01:04:11.420 that, I

01:04:11.960 agree with

01:04:12.320 that, I

01:04:12.760 agree with

01:04:13.080 that.

01:04:13.760 But as

01:04:14.300 things went

01:04:14.820 it got a

01:04:15.540 little more

01:04:15.820 interesting.

01:04:19.520 So he

01:04:20.240 did not

01:04:20.660 see, the

01:04:21.620 doctor did

01:04:22.120 not see

01:04:22.620 some obvious

01:04:23.460 conspiracy

01:04:24.120 theory to

01:04:25.680 prevent

01:04:26.260 hydroxychloroquine

01:04:28.440 or ivermectin.

01:04:29.940 So it

01:04:30.480 didn't sound

01:04:31.000 like he was

01:04:31.920 saying there

01:04:32.940 was some

01:04:33.280 organized

01:04:33.800 conspiracy.

01:04:35.500 Would you

01:04:35.920 agree, those

01:04:36.600 who watched

01:04:37.000 it?

01:04:37.880 He was not

01:04:38.580 claiming that.

01:04:40.140 He was

01:04:40.780 claiming

01:04:41.120 incompetence.

01:04:43.200 Now do I

01:04:43.780 disagree with

01:04:45.620 the notion that

01:04:46.380 there was

01:04:46.760 incompetence,

01:04:47.600 especially about

01:04:48.360 early treatment

01:04:49.200 options?

01:04:50.420 I do not

01:04:51.260 disagree.

01:04:52.160 Does anybody?

01:04:53.100 It was a fog

01:04:53.900 of war,

01:04:54.540 everybody trying

01:04:55.180 as hard as

01:04:55.580 they could,

01:04:56.240 bureaucracies,

01:04:57.940 blah, blah,

01:04:58.340 blah.

01:04:58.600 You would

01:04:58.880 expect massive

01:05:00.200 amounts of

01:05:00.960 incompetence as

01:05:02.720 we struggle to

01:05:04.080 get the right

01:05:04.500 answers.

01:05:04.820 So I think

01:05:06.240 that's a fair

01:05:07.280 characterization of

01:05:08.520 what happened,

01:05:09.060 a lot of

01:05:09.480 incompetence,

01:05:10.300 but that's to

01:05:11.080 be expected.

01:05:12.580 Not appreciated,

01:05:14.280 but expected.

01:05:18.420 Now,

01:05:19.460 here are some

01:05:21.520 claims,

01:05:22.440 and by the way,

01:05:23.240 Joe Rogan, I

01:05:23.900 thought, did a

01:05:24.420 really good job

01:05:25.300 in the interview.

01:05:26.960 I don't know,

01:05:27.940 for those of you

01:05:28.580 who watched it,

01:05:29.060 I thought Joe

01:05:30.760 took just the

01:05:32.100 right tone of

01:05:34.240 letting the

01:05:35.240 doctor speak,

01:05:37.080 but pushing

01:05:37.940 really hard on

01:05:39.700 some questions

01:05:40.420 that the doctor

01:05:41.100 wasn't quite

01:05:41.640 answering to my

01:05:42.600 satisfaction.

01:05:44.460 I thought he

01:05:45.380 did a really

01:05:45.680 good job on

01:05:46.180 that.

01:05:47.060 And it's

01:05:49.220 really hard to

01:05:49.720 hit that exact

01:05:50.460 tone where

01:05:51.620 you're clearly

01:05:52.320 being skeptical

01:05:53.180 about what he's

01:05:54.000 saying, but

01:05:54.900 you're still

01:05:55.340 showing him

01:05:55.860 full respect

01:05:56.740 because you

01:05:57.140 don't want to

01:05:57.480 shut him down

01:05:58.040 or make it

01:05:58.540 into some

01:05:59.600 kind of a

01:06:00.040 fight.

01:06:01.000 So I

01:06:01.920 don't know

01:06:02.280 if anybody

01:06:02.660 really realizes

01:06:03.800 how good

01:06:04.480 Joe Rogan is

01:06:05.300 at this stuff.

01:06:07.080 Right?

01:06:07.320 I mean,

01:06:08.100 who's better,

01:06:09.280 really?

01:06:09.860 It's hard to

01:06:10.320 think of

01:06:10.540 anybody.

01:06:14.120 Especially

01:06:14.520 because he

01:06:15.060 gives them

01:06:15.460 enough time

01:06:15.940 to say

01:06:16.220 whatever they

01:06:16.620 want.

01:06:16.880 My only

01:06:17.180 problem with

01:06:17.520 that model

01:06:18.000 is that

01:06:18.440 there should

01:06:18.760 be an

01:06:18.980 expert there

01:06:19.580 or an

01:06:20.920 expert on

01:06:21.380 the other

01:06:21.640 side.

01:06:22.320 Why?

01:06:23.220 Let me

01:06:23.540 give you

01:06:23.780 an example.

01:06:25.400 When Dr.

01:06:25.980 McCullough said

01:06:26.800 one of the

01:06:27.460 reasons that

01:06:27.960 we know

01:06:28.360 and fact

01:06:29.540 check me on

01:06:30.020 this because

01:06:30.560 I don't want

01:06:30.980 to say a

01:06:31.980 claim that

01:06:32.420 he didn't

01:06:32.800 make.

01:06:33.820 So just

01:06:34.140 correct me

01:06:34.640 in real

01:06:34.920 time if I

01:06:35.460 say something

01:06:35.860 wrong.

01:06:39.140 When Joe

01:06:39.740 Rogan was

01:06:40.480 asking him

01:06:41.120 effectively,

01:06:42.380 why haven't

01:06:42.940 other countries,

01:06:44.240 why is it if

01:06:45.220 there's something

01:06:46.300 going on with

01:06:47.080 ivermectin and

01:06:47.920 hydroxychloroquine,

01:06:49.360 why is it it's

01:06:50.080 happening everywhere

01:06:50.860 at the same

01:06:51.420 time?

01:06:52.400 It's exactly the

01:06:53.400 right question,

01:06:53.960 right?

01:06:54.220 I've asked that

01:06:54.860 question a number

01:06:55.500 of times,

01:06:56.420 which is,

01:06:57.560 if these

01:06:58.160 things work,

01:06:59.660 wouldn't there

01:07:00.160 be somewhere

01:07:01.480 on earth where

01:07:03.580 they're working?

01:07:05.060 Because even

01:07:06.100 though you can

01:07:06.620 imagine an

01:07:07.220 American conspiracy

01:07:08.340 and even a

01:07:09.180 global conspiracy,

01:07:10.300 easy to imagine,

01:07:11.860 but would it get

01:07:12.620 every country?

01:07:13.960 Because every

01:07:14.580 country had a

01:07:15.500 pandemic,

01:07:16.560 every one.

01:07:17.580 You tell me

01:07:18.280 there's not one

01:07:19.120 little country that

01:07:20.980 couldn't just say,

01:07:21.840 all right, we're

01:07:22.220 going to use ivermectin

01:07:23.180 because we don't

01:07:24.000 have vaccinations.

01:07:25.060 We'll just get

01:07:25.700 rid of it.

01:07:26.880 So in order for

01:07:28.180 the doctor's opinion

01:07:29.840 that the signal is

01:07:31.880 very strong, we

01:07:32.820 don't have a

01:07:33.300 randomized controlled

01:07:34.160 trial, everybody

01:07:34.900 would like that,

01:07:35.820 but it's impractical

01:07:37.080 within the time

01:07:38.720 frame.

01:07:40.700 He's saying that

01:07:41.260 the signal of the

01:07:42.180 benefits of these

01:07:42.880 drugs is so high

01:07:44.220 from studies that

01:07:45.440 are not perfect

01:07:46.260 and the risk is

01:07:48.860 so low that

01:07:50.600 clearly it makes

01:07:51.740 sense.

01:07:52.060 And then Joe

01:07:53.680 kept pushing on

01:07:54.480 that question

01:07:55.020 about why are

01:07:56.560 these other

01:07:57.060 countries not

01:07:57.880 having the big

01:07:58.640 result?

01:07:59.080 And then here's

01:08:00.020 the payoff.

01:08:01.280 And so then the

01:08:01.900 doctor proved his

01:08:03.380 thesis by giving

01:08:04.940 you several

01:08:06.100 examples where

01:08:08.460 ivermectin had

01:08:10.600 completely squashed

01:08:12.620 the pandemic in

01:08:14.340 their country.

01:08:16.100 So are you

01:08:17.920 good?

01:08:18.120 So the

01:08:20.200 examples were

01:08:21.020 Peru, Mexico.

01:08:23.200 I think he said

01:08:23.940 it's a first

01:08:24.760 level thing in

01:08:25.540 Japan, but none

01:08:27.080 of the Asian

01:08:27.520 countries had

01:08:28.080 trouble with it,

01:08:28.660 so I think that's

01:08:29.140 a special case.

01:08:30.640 So let's just

01:08:31.700 take two of them,

01:08:32.360 Mexico, and I think

01:08:33.620 India.

01:08:34.640 India might have

01:08:35.320 been on his

01:08:35.740 list.

01:08:38.160 What would

01:08:38.800 happen if you

01:08:39.380 spend five

01:08:40.060 minutes googling

01:08:41.900 Peru and

01:08:43.580 ivermectin?

01:08:44.300 Well, you

01:08:46.480 would find out

01:08:47.140 that it did

01:08:48.260 not change

01:08:48.760 anything in

01:08:49.300 Peru.

01:08:50.580 So the claim

01:08:51.500 that it worked

01:08:52.000 in Peru, there

01:08:53.660 is no data to

01:08:54.320 support that.

01:08:55.780 In fact, the

01:08:57.120 data says the

01:08:57.900 opposite.

01:08:58.380 You can see the

01:08:59.000 introduction of

01:08:59.660 it, and you

01:09:00.160 don't see an

01:09:00.680 effect.

01:09:02.000 Mexico, no

01:09:02.940 data to support

01:09:03.860 it.

01:09:04.980 India, no

01:09:05.800 data to support

01:09:06.640 it.

01:09:08.200 And there is

01:09:08.660 that speculation

01:09:09.380 that ivermectin

01:09:10.360 might take care

01:09:11.140 of worms.

01:09:12.580 Well, that's

01:09:13.360 what it's for.

01:09:13.780 So if it

01:09:14.660 did that, it

01:09:15.380 might help

01:09:16.020 some people

01:09:16.500 who would

01:09:17.580 have had one

01:09:18.240 extra challenge.

01:09:19.400 If they get

01:09:19.880 rid of that

01:09:20.260 challenge, maybe

01:09:20.880 they can survive

01:09:21.540 the COVID

01:09:21.940 better.

01:09:22.460 But it

01:09:22.740 wouldn't be a

01:09:23.140 direct effect

01:09:23.780 on the COVID

01:09:24.820 under that

01:09:25.520 theory.

01:09:27.920 So if you

01:09:30.660 believe that

01:09:31.500 the doctor's

01:09:32.220 hypothesis is

01:09:33.660 correct, that

01:09:34.600 these drugs have

01:09:35.260 a signal, they're

01:09:35.960 working, then

01:09:37.460 you must explain

01:09:38.300 to yourself why

01:09:39.240 his biggest

01:09:39.820 examples are

01:09:41.240 clearly debunked.

01:09:42.360 Now, how do

01:09:44.560 I know the

01:09:44.940 debunk isn't

01:09:45.580 wrong, right?

01:09:47.620 Well, ask

01:09:48.480 Peru.

01:09:50.500 Don't you

01:09:51.160 think if

01:09:51.900 Peru had

01:09:52.420 used ivermectin

01:09:53.360 and it just

01:09:54.100 squashed the

01:09:55.720 pandemic, you

01:09:57.100 don't think more

01:09:57.800 people would be

01:09:58.340 taking ivermectin?

01:10:00.440 Really?

01:10:02.960 If that really

01:10:03.980 happened, this

01:10:05.620 would be over

01:10:06.220 if that was

01:10:07.880 true.

01:10:08.120 Clearly, it's

01:10:09.980 not true.

01:10:10.840 It's not true

01:10:11.460 anywhere.

01:10:12.240 In fact, every

01:10:12.860 example he gave

01:10:13.800 where people are

01:10:14.840 using it with

01:10:15.740 success just

01:10:16.400 doesn't exist.

01:10:18.420 And you can

01:10:19.360 check for

01:10:19.780 yourself.

01:10:20.280 Just Google

01:10:20.680 it.

01:10:21.420 Google his

01:10:21.960 name or

01:10:22.640 Google Peru

01:10:24.200 and ivermectin.

01:10:26.060 Just Google

01:10:26.580 it up.

01:10:27.400 You see for

01:10:27.780 yourself.

01:10:28.500 Five minutes.

01:10:29.560 Not any of

01:10:30.100 his examples

01:10:30.620 are real.

01:10:31.060 Now, given

01:10:35.860 the Andres

01:10:37.060 Backhouse example

01:10:38.560 where we saw

01:10:39.400 that, at least

01:10:40.580 in that one

01:10:41.040 example, apparently

01:10:42.180 we're not, I

01:10:42.860 can't read his

01:10:43.420 mind right, but

01:10:44.080 from the outside

01:10:44.660 looking in, it

01:10:46.040 looks like he

01:10:47.020 misjudged a data

01:10:49.520 analysis or at

01:10:51.640 least mischaracterized

01:10:52.520 it.

01:10:53.260 Secondly, the

01:10:54.620 examples he used

01:10:55.540 as the main

01:10:56.300 things that prove

01:10:57.080 his point, and

01:10:58.140 here's my problem

01:10:58.780 with the Joe

01:10:59.640 Rogan model,

01:11:00.280 if Andres

01:11:01.660 Backhouse was

01:11:02.420 sitting in the

01:11:02.940 chair next to

01:11:03.660 him, Andres

01:11:06.120 would take out

01:11:06.700 his laptop and

01:11:07.640 say, here you

01:11:09.760 go, that

01:11:11.320 example is

01:11:12.180 debunked.

01:11:13.300 What else

01:11:13.680 you got?

01:11:14.940 Now, that

01:11:15.300 would be

01:11:15.540 useful.

01:11:16.320 That's the

01:11:16.660 show I want

01:11:17.100 to see.

01:11:17.960 In fact, if

01:11:18.920 Joe Rogan is

01:11:19.500 listening, could

01:11:20.940 you bring back

01:11:21.580 on any one of

01:11:22.660 the doctors who

01:11:23.960 have the

01:11:24.360 non-traditional

01:11:25.540 views and

01:11:26.480 bring on a

01:11:27.240 fact-checker?

01:11:28.220 It doesn't

01:11:28.540 have to be

01:11:29.140 Andres.

01:11:29.640 He's in

01:11:30.280 Germany, that

01:11:30.820 might be

01:11:31.100 hard.

01:11:31.840 But just

01:11:32.240 bring in a

01:11:32.800 fact-checker.

01:11:33.380 It doesn't

01:11:33.580 even have to

01:11:33.900 be in

01:11:34.360 studio.

01:11:34.900 It could

01:11:35.000 be, I

01:11:35.880 think you

01:11:36.240 could do

01:11:36.460 it remotely.

01:11:38.080 But that's

01:11:38.740 my request, to

01:11:40.220 not do the

01:11:41.560 rogue doctors

01:11:42.860 unless you

01:11:43.580 bring on a

01:11:44.300 fact-checker.

01:11:45.200 Now, I

01:11:45.460 don't want

01:11:45.820 somebody who

01:11:46.940 just has the

01:11:47.520 opposite opinion,

01:11:49.380 because that's

01:11:50.040 just a fight.

01:11:51.300 You want

01:11:51.760 somebody who

01:11:52.180 doesn't have

01:11:52.580 any dog in

01:11:53.940 the race.

01:11:56.860 bring on

01:11:58.240 Daniel Dale.

01:11:59.820 Bring on

01:12:00.380 CNN's

01:12:00.920 fact-checker,

01:12:01.500 Daniel Dale.

01:12:02.200 Just have

01:12:02.520 him sit

01:12:02.800 there as

01:12:03.820 an advertisement

01:12:04.800 for CNN and

01:12:06.260 say, look,

01:12:07.260 here's my

01:12:07.720 fact-checker,

01:12:08.380 here's my

01:12:08.740 expert, and

01:12:10.240 just have

01:12:10.640 him working

01:12:11.340 on his

01:12:11.720 laptop, because

01:12:12.320 it's a

01:12:12.640 three-hour

01:12:13.040 show.

01:12:13.420 If you've

01:12:14.640 got a

01:12:14.820 three-hour

01:12:15.220 show, you

01:12:16.600 can just

01:12:16.960 check all

01:12:17.740 the facts

01:12:18.220 right there.

01:12:19.440 You don't

01:12:19.660 have to

01:12:19.900 wonder.

01:12:20.100 Scott, am

01:12:23.860 I going

01:12:24.160 to take

01:12:24.500 the Pfizer

01:12:25.100 pill?

01:12:26.140 I'll give

01:12:26.820 you the

01:12:27.140 same answer

01:12:28.420 I gave

01:12:28.800 for the

01:12:29.260 vaccinations.

01:12:30.360 I'm going

01:12:30.740 to wait

01:12:31.160 as long

01:12:32.020 as possible.

01:12:33.480 I might,

01:12:34.840 but I'm

01:12:35.380 going to

01:12:35.540 wait as

01:12:35.980 long as

01:12:36.620 possible

01:12:36.960 before I

01:12:37.440 do.

01:12:40.860 So,

01:12:41.900 let's

01:12:42.180 say, what

01:12:43.060 else did

01:12:43.400 happen from

01:12:43.840 that?

01:12:44.940 I do

01:12:45.600 think that

01:12:46.100 the doctor

01:12:46.940 was right

01:12:47.360 about the

01:12:47.780 no early

01:12:48.440 treatment

01:12:49.140 protocols.

01:12:50.100 But I

01:12:50.640 feel like

01:12:51.080 he has

01:12:51.360 a data

01:12:51.760 problem

01:12:52.200 about

01:12:52.900 monoclonal

01:12:54.040 antibodies.

01:12:56.140 My

01:12:56.580 understanding

01:12:57.120 at the

01:12:57.780 beginning of

01:12:58.320 the pandemic

01:12:58.900 is that we

01:12:59.700 knew from

01:13:00.380 pretty much

01:13:02.000 the beginning,

01:13:03.040 at least I

01:13:03.600 did, I

01:13:05.260 did have

01:13:05.620 some

01:13:05.800 information

01:13:06.180 that you

01:13:06.540 didn't have

01:13:07.080 a long

01:13:07.420 time before

01:13:07.860 you had

01:13:08.200 it, that

01:13:08.980 Regeneron

01:13:09.740 works.

01:13:11.060 I can't

01:13:11.480 tell you how

01:13:11.920 I knew

01:13:12.180 that, but

01:13:13.080 I knew

01:13:13.360 it months

01:13:14.060 before it

01:13:14.480 was public.

01:13:15.620 But the

01:13:17.760 problem I

01:13:18.340 understood is

01:13:19.120 to make

01:13:19.580 enough of

01:13:20.060 it.

01:13:21.320 Can

01:13:21.540 anybody

01:13:21.780 give me

01:13:22.040 a fact

01:13:22.380 check on

01:13:22.740 that?

01:13:23.460 My

01:13:23.700 understanding

01:13:24.160 is that

01:13:24.600 the

01:13:24.780 monoclonal

01:13:25.420 antibodies

01:13:25.920 were mostly

01:13:26.820 a problem

01:13:27.380 of how

01:13:27.900 fast you

01:13:28.400 could make

01:13:28.820 it.

01:13:31.220 Because I

01:13:31.960 think that

01:13:32.500 what Dr.

01:13:33.720 McCullough may

01:13:35.200 be interpreting

01:13:35.800 as part of

01:13:36.720 that problem

01:13:37.340 of bad early

01:13:38.500 treatment protocols

01:13:39.520 is that some

01:13:40.700 of it just

01:13:41.040 wasn't available.

01:13:42.520 Like even if

01:13:43.020 you knew it

01:13:43.380 worked, you

01:13:43.780 couldn't get

01:13:44.200 it.

01:13:48.400 But I

01:13:49.340 think he's

01:13:50.720 spot on by

01:13:52.260 saying we

01:13:52.920 should have

01:13:53.280 released the

01:13:53.900 doctors to

01:13:54.700 maybe be a

01:13:56.280 little more

01:13:56.600 creative with

01:13:57.260 their solutions.

01:13:58.860 Because I

01:13:59.380 don't know what

01:13:59.900 does or does

01:14:00.460 not work, but

01:14:01.240 if doctors were

01:14:03.220 experimenting with

01:14:04.160 their people and

01:14:06.360 giving them

01:14:07.020 hydroxychloroquine or

01:14:08.060 something, I feel

01:14:08.820 like the doctors

01:14:09.400 should have been

01:14:09.800 able to do that.

01:14:10.940 So I agree with

01:14:11.580 them on the big

01:14:12.620 picture.

01:14:13.540 So here's my

01:14:15.100 bottom line.

01:14:16.980 I'm going to, I

01:14:18.700 hate to do this,

01:14:19.480 but I just feel

01:14:20.160 like it's important

01:14:21.240 because we're all

01:14:22.840 trying to understand

01:14:23.540 who's credible and

01:14:24.540 who's not.

01:14:25.700 And I have an

01:14:26.620 impression of the

01:14:28.620 good Dr.

01:14:29.840 McCullough that I'm

01:14:31.160 going to share with

01:14:31.900 you now that I'm

01:14:32.820 going to tell you in

01:14:33.380 advance feels unfair

01:14:34.700 even though I'm

01:14:35.820 going to say it.

01:14:37.420 Right?

01:14:37.980 This feels unfair.

01:14:39.820 But I also think

01:14:40.640 it's important.

01:14:41.900 And I just want

01:14:42.400 you to have this

01:14:42.980 filter.

01:14:45.460 You've heard the

01:14:46.180 phrase, it takes

01:14:46.920 one to know one.

01:14:48.820 Well, when I

01:14:49.640 watch Dr.

01:14:51.640 McCullough, he's

01:14:53.460 one of me, I

01:14:55.900 think.

01:14:57.160 All right, so

01:14:57.500 that's the part

01:14:58.040 that's the

01:14:58.600 provocative part.

01:14:59.720 And by one of me,

01:15:00.800 I mean a grandiose

01:15:03.260 narcissist.

01:15:05.100 Now, there are

01:15:05.820 several versions of

01:15:07.100 narcissists, and I

01:15:08.520 put myself in the

01:15:09.360 category of a

01:15:10.240 grandiose narcissist.

01:15:11.500 It's a specific

01:15:13.000 kind.

01:15:14.180 Some of the

01:15:14.860 narcissists are just

01:15:15.740 toxic and bad for

01:15:16.900 the world.

01:15:17.780 It's not that kind.

01:15:19.400 The grandiose

01:15:20.140 narcissist is trying

01:15:21.820 to build up their

01:15:24.060 own image, self-image

01:15:25.760 and reputation, but

01:15:27.700 by doing something

01:15:28.500 useful for the world

01:15:29.560 and making sure that

01:15:31.060 you knew it.

01:15:32.340 Right?

01:15:32.700 I do that every day.

01:15:34.880 I don't think you

01:15:35.720 could have a better

01:15:36.320 example of a

01:15:37.160 grandiose narcissist

01:15:38.200 than me.

01:15:40.780 I literally tell

01:15:42.140 you that's my

01:15:42.680 business model all

01:15:43.640 the time.

01:15:44.860 It's more like my

01:15:45.800 psychological model

01:15:46.720 than my business

01:15:47.360 model, but I

01:15:48.480 combined them.

01:15:49.900 And I literally

01:15:51.260 want to help as

01:15:52.020 many people as I

01:15:52.700 can.

01:15:53.260 That's why the

01:15:55.100 topics of the

01:15:55.720 books I write are

01:15:56.420 that.

01:15:57.100 That's why I do

01:15:57.640 the micro lessons.

01:15:58.600 That's why I do

01:15:59.020 most of this.

01:15:59.500 But I'm also

01:16:03.000 self-aware that I

01:16:05.240 do it because that

01:16:06.420 feeds something in

01:16:07.920 me, right?

01:16:09.200 That maybe I'm not

01:16:10.600 proud of.

01:16:11.940 But it's sort of

01:16:13.000 like capitalism.

01:16:14.520 Nobody would say

01:16:15.380 greed is a positive

01:16:17.580 element of life,

01:16:19.360 but if you don't

01:16:20.280 have greed as part

01:16:21.280 of your capitalism

01:16:22.720 model, it doesn't

01:16:23.560 work.

01:16:24.340 So I would say

01:16:24.860 that narcissism is

01:16:25.960 just one of those

01:16:26.700 double-edged things.

01:16:28.440 It's obnoxious.

01:16:29.500 It can have a

01:16:29.940 downside, but in

01:16:31.280 some cases, the

01:16:33.280 person who wants

01:16:34.180 to change the

01:16:34.860 world and get

01:16:36.380 credit for it is

01:16:39.080 contributing.

01:16:40.260 Is, let's say,

01:16:41.360 Bill Gates or

01:16:43.860 Elon Musk, you

01:16:46.580 know, are they

01:16:47.020 grandiose narcissists?

01:16:49.740 I don't know.

01:16:51.060 I mean, I think

01:16:52.060 Musk, his brain

01:16:54.740 just doesn't work

01:16:55.400 like other

01:16:55.780 people's, so you

01:16:57.040 can't make any

01:16:57.680 assumptions there.

01:16:58.540 But if they

01:16:59.620 are, I hope

01:17:00.500 so.

01:17:01.400 I hope they

01:17:02.160 are.

01:17:03.000 Because they

01:17:03.400 talk like it.

01:17:04.400 They talk like,

01:17:05.800 you know, I'm

01:17:06.200 doing the best I

01:17:07.080 can to help the

01:17:07.740 world in the

01:17:08.940 biggest way that

01:17:09.560 I can.

01:17:10.820 So we don't

01:17:11.940 know how they

01:17:12.440 internally process

01:17:13.280 it.

01:17:13.660 So when I hear

01:17:14.940 Dr.

01:17:15.320 McCullough talk,

01:17:16.740 the way he

01:17:18.200 talks about his

01:17:19.780 own qualifications,

01:17:21.200 et cetera, and

01:17:22.160 how he's the

01:17:23.200 only one who

01:17:24.120 knows the right

01:17:24.880 answer, and he's

01:17:25.780 the lone voice in

01:17:26.720 the wilderness, and

01:17:27.560 going on all the

01:17:28.820 big talk shows and

01:17:29.940 stuff like that, he

01:17:31.200 strikes me as

01:17:31.940 someone who needs

01:17:32.840 this to be, to

01:17:34.700 work for him.

01:17:36.340 I feel like, I

01:17:38.100 don't feel his

01:17:38.780 motivation is

01:17:39.460 monetary.

01:17:41.060 Because some of

01:17:41.820 you are going to

01:17:42.140 say, oh, who's

01:17:42.820 paying him, or is

01:17:44.300 there some way he

01:17:45.540 thinks he's going

01:17:46.080 to make money off

01:17:46.860 of lecturing or

01:17:47.780 something, giving

01:17:49.260 speeches.

01:17:49.820 I doubt it.

01:17:51.180 I didn't pick that

01:17:52.060 up at all.

01:17:52.520 Now, again, nobody's

01:17:54.780 a mind reader, so

01:17:56.500 anything I say about

01:17:57.740 another person's

01:17:58.740 internal thoughts, you

01:17:59.860 should automatically

01:18:00.540 say, well, how do

01:18:03.160 you know?

01:18:03.820 That's the right

01:18:04.580 stance to take.

01:18:05.880 But it's just my

01:18:06.900 impression that his

01:18:08.560 motivation looks like

01:18:09.800 he really wants to

01:18:10.980 help.

01:18:11.920 I think that's real,

01:18:13.420 by the way.

01:18:14.580 So if you could

01:18:16.240 pick a personal

01:18:16.980 doctor, pick this

01:18:19.040 one.

01:18:19.740 He looks like he's

01:18:20.620 a really good

01:18:21.060 doctor.

01:18:21.400 Because I think

01:18:22.420 he really, really

01:18:23.100 wants to help

01:18:24.020 people, but it's

01:18:26.500 because it feeds

01:18:27.340 him as well.

01:18:28.620 And there's

01:18:28.960 nothing wrong

01:18:29.340 with that.

01:18:30.280 Nothing wrong

01:18:30.820 with that.

01:18:31.060 That's not a

01:18:31.520 criticism.

01:18:32.540 But I think he

01:18:33.300 has that

01:18:33.700 personality, and

01:18:35.220 having that

01:18:35.920 personality myself,

01:18:38.000 I'll tell you

01:18:38.640 there's a risk to

01:18:39.680 it, if my

01:18:42.280 hypothesis is right

01:18:43.420 that we have

01:18:44.440 that in common.

01:18:46.000 Which is, you

01:18:46.920 can easily blind

01:18:48.080 yourself that you

01:18:50.080 found the thing

01:18:50.820 that will change

01:18:51.380 the world.

01:18:54.160 Do you know

01:18:54.780 how many times

01:18:55.460 I've thought to

01:18:55.960 myself, I think

01:18:57.380 I found it.

01:18:58.760 I might be the

01:18:59.600 only one who

01:19:00.040 found this.

01:19:00.640 I just found

01:19:01.120 something that

01:19:01.560 changes the

01:19:02.020 world.

01:19:03.280 Do you know

01:19:03.580 how many times

01:19:04.080 I've had that

01:19:04.540 thought?

01:19:05.400 And then I

01:19:06.160 have to use

01:19:06.640 every power of

01:19:09.200 rationality to

01:19:10.760 squeeze it down

01:19:12.720 and say, okay,

01:19:14.640 maybe you're being

01:19:15.960 a little too

01:19:16.440 gullible.

01:19:16.900 maybe you're

01:19:18.540 being a little

01:19:18.960 too optimistic

01:19:19.700 about Omicron

01:19:21.440 being a

01:19:21.860 vaccination.

01:19:23.260 Maybe you're a

01:19:24.120 little too

01:19:24.620 optimistic about

01:19:25.460 this fusion

01:19:26.220 technology, you

01:19:27.220 know, that sort

01:19:28.120 of thing.

01:19:28.960 So the blind

01:19:29.880 spot that a

01:19:31.680 grandiose narcissist

01:19:33.460 would have, and

01:19:34.920 I'm putting myself

01:19:35.920 in this category,

01:19:37.280 is a little too

01:19:38.160 much optimism

01:19:39.080 about what we

01:19:40.700 can do.

01:19:41.080 You feel that?

01:19:44.900 Have you ever

01:19:45.520 seen me do

01:19:46.020 that?

01:19:46.820 To have too

01:19:47.540 much optimism

01:19:48.300 about what I

01:19:49.160 can do, just

01:19:50.080 personally, to

01:19:51.200 make the world

01:19:52.320 a better place.

01:19:54.640 Right?

01:19:55.480 Yeah, and

01:19:56.080 read JFK Jr.

01:20:00.120 All right.

01:20:03.480 JFK Jr. is

01:20:04.480 probably, I'm

01:20:06.120 sorry, RFK,

01:20:07.480 right?

01:20:08.120 It's RFK.

01:20:08.940 Anyway, his

01:20:12.780 credibility is

01:20:13.540 really low, you

01:20:14.220 know that, right?

01:20:15.740 Which is not to

01:20:16.560 say he didn't get

01:20:17.180 this one right.

01:20:18.920 But here's what

01:20:20.100 doesn't help, reading

01:20:21.880 one person's book.

01:20:23.880 I want RFK to be

01:20:25.500 on Joe Rogan's

01:20:26.340 show, sitting right

01:20:27.700 next to Daniel

01:20:28.680 Dale or some

01:20:29.660 fact-checker, you

01:20:30.980 know, could be

01:20:31.620 Andres or anybody

01:20:32.780 else, and then

01:20:34.960 we'll have a

01:20:35.680 conversation about

01:20:36.680 RFK, okay?

01:20:37.720 But if you're

01:20:39.440 saying, read

01:20:40.160 RFK's book, you're

01:20:42.200 telling me to do

01:20:43.020 something that I

01:20:44.040 know to be

01:20:45.360 psychologically

01:20:46.080 crippling.

01:20:48.380 Because you

01:20:49.000 would get one

01:20:49.500 person's opinion

01:20:50.220 and no

01:20:50.960 counterpoint.

01:20:52.140 That is like,

01:20:53.680 that's like you

01:20:54.320 telling me, hey, I'd

01:20:55.160 like you to run a

01:20:56.000 marathon, but could

01:20:57.380 you start the

01:20:58.420 marathon by cutting

01:20:59.320 off one of your

01:21:00.000 legs?

01:21:01.640 That's what it

01:21:02.360 feels like.

01:21:05.500 Thank you,

01:21:06.260 Torah.

01:21:06.460 I appreciate

01:21:07.160 that.

01:21:10.780 Is RFK still

01:21:11.920 alive?

01:21:12.260 Yes.

01:21:14.260 So, just

01:21:15.480 know this, every

01:21:16.200 time you tell me to

01:21:17.060 read a book or

01:21:18.880 listen to one

01:21:20.140 expert, I

01:21:21.340 automatically think

01:21:22.340 you're not good at

01:21:23.500 analysis.

01:21:26.620 Nothing personal.

01:21:28.200 Because as I

01:21:28.980 often say, nobody's

01:21:30.580 good at anything

01:21:31.140 unless they

01:21:31.700 practice it,

01:21:32.900 right?

01:21:33.120 Or if they've

01:21:33.540 been trained or

01:21:34.220 if they have

01:21:34.460 skills.

01:21:34.660 So, people

01:21:35.480 have been

01:21:35.840 trained in

01:21:38.200 data analysis

01:21:38.900 are good at

01:21:39.520 it.

01:21:40.680 And people

01:21:41.120 who have not

01:21:42.520 been trained

01:21:42.980 think they're

01:21:43.440 good at it,

01:21:43.960 but they don't

01:21:44.360 know the

01:21:44.660 difference.

01:21:46.280 Read all the

01:21:46.940 books.

01:21:51.580 You're right.

01:21:53.900 What about the

01:21:54.660 Elon Musk tweet?

01:21:56.000 Well, we talked

01:21:56.460 about his tweet

01:21:57.200 about me the

01:21:57.720 other day.

01:21:58.060 Scott's Peru

01:22:07.320 debunking, need

01:22:08.360 your own

01:22:08.880 comparisons.

01:22:11.220 Well, I'm not

01:22:12.440 sure if the

01:22:12.880 point you're

01:22:13.200 making is that

01:22:14.160 the debunks

01:22:15.200 themselves get

01:22:16.100 debunked.

01:22:17.240 But I would

01:22:17.680 tell you this,

01:22:18.240 if you look at

01:22:18.820 it and say,

01:22:19.260 who is it?

01:22:19.920 Is it

01:22:20.220 factcheck.org

01:22:21.360 who sometimes

01:22:23.180 debunks things

01:22:24.000 that are true?

01:22:24.500 But when you

01:22:26.540 see somebody

01:22:27.680 debunk something

01:22:28.500 that's true,

01:22:29.700 there's a way

01:22:31.040 that they do

01:22:31.660 it, which is

01:22:33.200 sort of avoiding

01:22:33.900 the question or

01:22:34.940 modifying the

01:22:36.120 question as they

01:22:36.800 go until you're

01:22:37.980 not really even

01:22:38.620 on the same

01:22:39.080 topic by the

01:22:39.840 end of the

01:22:40.160 factcheck.

01:22:41.200 Have you

01:22:41.440 noticed that?

01:22:42.540 But a factcheck

01:22:43.360 that I usually

01:22:45.040 depend on is

01:22:46.560 one that says,

01:22:47.420 the claim is

01:22:47.940 X, here's the

01:22:49.480 data that shows

01:22:50.180 it's wrong.

01:22:52.100 Usually I'm

01:22:52.820 going to go with

01:22:53.280 a factcheck on

01:22:54.120 that one.

01:22:54.960 Usually.

01:22:56.020 Because if the

01:22:56.700 person who made

01:22:57.280 the claim wasn't

01:22:58.020 even aware that

01:23:00.140 there was data

01:23:00.720 that debunked

01:23:01.420 it, that's a

01:23:02.860 problem.

01:23:04.040 Now if the

01:23:04.520 person said,

01:23:05.300 I'm aware of

01:23:05.820 the data that

01:23:06.400 looks like it

01:23:06.960 debunks it, but

01:23:08.200 there's a problem

01:23:08.800 with that debunk,

01:23:09.780 then I'd be,

01:23:10.260 oh, okay, now

01:23:11.000 it's a tie.

01:23:12.700 But if the

01:23:13.300 person making

01:23:13.780 the claim is

01:23:14.340 not aware of

01:23:15.920 the argument

01:23:16.380 against it, or

01:23:17.020 doesn't include

01:23:17.920 it in their

01:23:18.420 presentation, just

01:23:19.320 so you know

01:23:19.720 that they know

01:23:20.240 it, I go with

01:23:22.540 the debunk in

01:23:23.140 those cases.

01:23:23.620 So look for

01:23:25.460 the debunks on

01:23:26.940 the question of

01:23:28.060 Peru and

01:23:28.620 ivermectins, make

01:23:29.840 your own

01:23:30.140 decisions.

01:23:33.360 Dismissing Japan

01:23:34.160 is a mistake, just

01:23:35.140 watch Dr. John

01:23:36.160 Campbell.

01:23:36.960 Huh, is Dr. John

01:23:38.720 Campbell somebody who

01:23:40.540 might have appeared

01:23:41.340 on the show without a

01:23:43.160 fact checker sitting

01:23:44.040 next to him?

01:23:44.620 I'm just guessing.

01:23:47.060 I'm just guessing.

01:23:49.800 How many times can

01:23:50.820 I tell you the

01:23:51.320 same fucking thing

01:23:52.400 and you'll just

01:23:53.560 say, well, what

01:23:54.420 about this expert?

01:23:55.660 Let's do it again.

01:23:57.240 Let's do it, let's

01:23:58.160 practice this.

01:23:59.400 I'm going to tell

01:24:00.240 you, clearly as

01:24:01.060 possible, that the

01:24:02.040 last fucking thing

01:24:03.040 I'm going to take as

01:24:03.920 credible is one

01:24:05.120 rogue expert talking

01:24:06.360 to an interview who

01:24:07.400 doesn't know what the

01:24:08.040 fuck he's talking

01:24:08.720 about.

01:24:09.560 Now, that's not

01:24:10.280 Joe Rogan, he's

01:24:10.980 great at interviewing.

01:24:11.660 So, now you're

01:24:14.180 supposed to say, oh,

01:24:16.320 but what about this

01:24:17.140 expert who doesn't

01:24:18.280 have a fact checker?

01:24:19.920 Go ahead.

01:24:21.080 See how that goes.

01:24:23.300 Can we just do this

01:24:24.420 over and over again

01:24:25.140 until you give up?

01:24:27.480 Will you fucking

01:24:28.440 give up to tell me

01:24:30.540 to read this one

01:24:31.300 book or this one

01:24:32.120 expert?

01:24:32.840 It never, ever is a

01:24:34.460 good idea.

01:24:35.540 Not ever, ever,

01:24:36.560 ever.

01:24:37.700 There will not be an

01:24:39.060 exception.

01:24:40.500 There will not be.

01:24:41.660 But, if there's an

01:24:44.840 objective source that

01:24:45.940 shows the, you know,

01:24:46.840 the plus and the

01:24:47.460 minuses and the

01:24:48.240 whole picture, I

01:24:49.640 would definitely like

01:24:50.260 to see that.

01:24:53.020 All right.

01:24:59.320 All right.

01:25:02.920 Just looking at your

01:25:03.880 comments and I think

01:25:04.900 I'm just about done.

01:25:07.180 Yeah, the new, the

01:25:08.920 thing that's missing

01:25:09.920 from a live stream

01:25:11.480 technology is I

01:25:14.660 would like to live

01:25:15.420 stream and have a

01:25:16.520 split screen with,

01:25:18.340 you know, two remote

01:25:19.120 or one remote person

01:25:20.360 and we're not there.

01:25:22.560 Now, you think we are

01:25:23.800 because you're thinking

01:25:24.720 of, you know, these

01:25:25.720 streaming things that

01:25:27.940 combine things, but they

01:25:29.720 don't work well enough

01:25:31.700 to be a commercial

01:25:32.580 item.

01:25:34.220 So, we're almost there.

01:25:35.840 If somebody like Google

01:25:36.740 or something could

01:25:37.520 create a Zoom

01:25:38.760 alternative where I

01:25:40.420 can do media split

01:25:41.540 screens and, and

01:25:43.260 amazingly, Zoom

01:25:44.060 doesn't do that

01:25:44.660 either.

01:25:49.420 Yeah, multi-stream.

01:25:51.060 That's what we need.

01:25:53.160 We're only, we're only

01:25:54.180 just at the point where

01:25:55.340 our Wi-Fi can handle

01:25:57.000 that sort of thing, but

01:25:57.740 we can do it now.

01:25:58.360 Doesn't Instagram do

01:26:00.600 that?

01:26:03.260 I don't know.

01:26:04.360 I haven't used

01:26:04.880 Instagram live.

01:26:06.420 Did they do that?

01:26:09.920 It's in locals?

01:26:11.480 No, it isn't.

01:26:13.500 It should be in locals,

01:26:14.700 but it's not built in

01:26:15.480 yet.

01:26:18.080 Are you still taking

01:26:19.100 down AT&T?

01:26:19.980 I think they're going

01:26:20.540 to take down

01:26:20.960 themselves.

01:26:21.260 All right.

01:26:27.680 Yeah, in fact, yeah,

01:26:28.700 restream, none of

01:26:29.660 those solutions work.

01:26:31.480 If it runs through a

01:26:32.580 third-party software,

01:26:34.000 it's a, it's a

01:26:35.080 non-starter.

01:26:36.320 You need one software

01:26:37.540 that does the whole

01:26:38.180 thing.

01:26:38.520 As soon as you add

01:26:39.060 the other software,

01:26:40.360 you don't have a

01:26:41.180 stable solution.

01:26:43.380 Boo the Cat's doing

01:26:44.180 great.

01:26:45.040 StreamYard, same

01:26:45.680 problem.

01:26:46.280 Yeah, no third-party

01:26:47.100 software.

01:26:47.540 It's got to be one

01:26:49.120 piece of software that

01:26:50.020 does it all.

01:26:51.260 All right.

01:26:58.780 That's all I got for

01:26:59.460 now, and I will talk

01:27:00.820 to you tomorrow.

Real Coffee with Scott Adams - December 17, 2021

Episode 1595 Scott Adams： Talking About a Deal With Russia, and Evaluating a Rogue Doctor's Credibility

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