Episode 1968 Scott Adams： Merry Christmas Everyone. Let's Sip To That
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In this episode of the podcast, I talk about how to reframe a personal attack, how to be brave on social media, and what to do when you don't have an argument. I also talk about a new invention called the reframe reframe.
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Morning everybody and Merry Christmas. I hope everybody's having a merry one with your loved
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ones and what whatever and if you're not with any loved ones today well lucky you you're with me
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and who loves you more than me well unfortunately maybe nobody maybe this maybe it's that kind of
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day I don't know could be anything I don't want to assume that you're all having a great day
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I'm not going to assume that at all but you should assume that I'm loving you big time today
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appreciating you a lot and we're going to take this up a notch is anybody ready for the special
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Christmas 2022 simultaneous sip anybody any yeah all right well if you'd like that all you need is a
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cup or mug or a glass of tank or Chelsea Stein a canteen jug or flask a vessel of any kind filling
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with your favorite liquid I like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled pleasure that dopamine
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here in the day the the holiday classic the the thing that even Santa wishes he was having right
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now wishes he were having right now grammar accounts it's a simultaneous episode dopamine hit of the day
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it's what everybody wants it's happening now go yeah do you know what this tastes like today it tastes
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like a puppy in a package it's like a puppy in a package that you opened on Christmas that is exactly how good
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it is all right everybody there's some new information from the Washington Post telling
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you that any amount of exercise protects you from COVID any amount of exercise 30 minutes a day would
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reduce your odds of dying from COVID by 400 or something like that it's a lot so it's let's say
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three years since the beginning of the pandemic and so far the scientific community has rallied around
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the first thing I said on the first day of the pandemic you know you should get some exercise
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make sure you get some vitamin D go outside and get some exercise
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three years of hard science later you know you should just do what the cartoonist told you to do
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well it's nice to be right especially on Christmas on Christmas
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does anybody have any Christmas success stories is anything really good happened to you today
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or you know this week make sure you put them in the comments just like you know a little summary
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like somebody came home or you got a puppy or something I want to see just good news just good news
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all right um I would like to offer two reframes neither of these are in my upcoming book
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um but they might be I have time to add them if I like them so I'm going to test them out on you
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see how you like them right you're down my test to see if these two reframes could possibly help you
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or somebody you know number one if you are having some kind of a policy or factual debate on social media
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or anywhere else and somebody responds with a personal attack
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what should be your response well in the old days a personal attack was my god you hate my opinion and
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you disrespect me too that's the old way here's the new way reframe if somebody attacks you instead
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any of your argument they just agreed you won that's a confession that your argument is correct
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and they got nothing so when somebody attacks you personally you should thank them for their confession
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just say thank you I appreciate the confession and just walk away they don't even need to know what
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you mean by that do they you can tell them I appreciate you confessing that you don't have an argument
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and have a good day and merry christmas to you try it out you you will be amazed that when you you
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reinterpret the situation as their capitulation although I like confession I don't like surrender
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because then people get mad if you say oh because I used to say that I used to say oh I appreciate
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your surrender but I'd rather confession because confession actually sounds like you're doing something
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brave right so you're allowing the other person to be brave instead of saying well I appreciate that you
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you're embarrassed and humiliated in your loss not good so I appreciate your confession you know if you had
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an argument I would have expected it but I I'm glad that you confess that this is not something you could
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argue but you don't have to add all that just say I appreciate your confession Merry Christmas all
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right that's your first reframe try it out try it out and just see if it makes you feel better
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if it makes you feel better that's the entire test right there's nothing else it tries to accomplish
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number two I heard this one on a documentary about Richard Branson billionaire virgin founder
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Richard Branson and apparently this one came from his mother because Richard Branson was believe it or not
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he was super shy still is he's shy by nature but he learned to do be the opposite of shy
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uh in part I believe from his mother's reframe so here's how she reframed shyness
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I think it's brilliant I think it's brilliant but you have to test it for me because I'm not I'm not shy
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anymore so I can't test it because I sort of outgrew my shyness but here's the reframe for shyness
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shyness is selfishness you are literally thinking about yourself and the free frame is think about the
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other person for a minute think about the other people do they want you sitting in the corner
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no no do do something good for the other people forget about yourself for a minute just forget about
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yourself just do something for other people don't you think they want to hear a good story don't
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they think they want somebody to act interested in their stories you know even more than they want
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to hear your story don't you think people want to have a good interaction don't you think there's
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something you know that might be useful don't you think you could be more entertaining don't you
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think you could be more interesting right try it out I you know this is what I can't try myself
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because I just don't have that experience anymore but if there's anybody shy here just try that out
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say okay if I were here for the other people what would I do differently and watch watch what happens
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and the reason I think this might work I've actually a lot of confidence that it will work for some people
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is if you imagine you're shy but you have a job that requires interacting with the public
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if it's your job and you know that your job is to make the public happy their customers
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you don't feel shy to you because you know what the rules are and you know that your job
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is about them right when you're getting paid nobody pays you to think about yourself
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it doesn't even occur to you that your personal feelings are even part of the transaction
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somebody's giving you money to make some other person happy the customer
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so it doesn't make you shy which is a pretty good evidence that interacting with people is not
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what made you shy right this is like a real mind bender because if you realize that there are all
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these situations where you're not shy and it's because you know that the rules of this transaction
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are that you're focusing on the other person guaranteed proof that human interaction is not
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what was making you shy what was making you shy was thinking about yourself
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now you haven't tried it yet because you just heard it but is that not brilliant like is that
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not some of the best mom advice you ever heard in your life
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i just love that so i think i'm going to put that one in the book would you agree i think it's strong
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enough that even without testing it i'm going to put it in the book because i'm sure it'll work for
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some people yeah reframes only work for some people they don't work for every person right all right
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so if you have people over to your house or you're interacting with anybody today test that one out
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just say to yourself oh you know there's some relatives you you feel a little shy about maybe
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extended relatives or maybe the in-laws that you don't know as well just say well that in-law looks
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a little uncomfortable i think i'll go make that person a little more comfortable or that person looks
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like they don't know what to do with their hands i'll ask them if they want a beverage somebody looks like
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they don't know what to do with their hands hey can i get you a beverage see if you can solve their
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problem dealing with people has ruined you well i'm sorry what about the one that won't shut up
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do you need a reframe for uh the person who can't stop talking
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does anybody have that trouble uh in your get-togethers you have me is it me
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well i'll tell you what your oldest son yeah um i recommend having a wing man or wing woman
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or wing binary you should have somebody who keeps an eye on you at get-togethers
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and can pull you out when they see you got trapped now you probably know that this is a bigger problem
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for me than it is for normal citizens right like if i go to an event people are more interested in
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talking to me because i have a you know public persona so i i can get trapped like really quickly
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so i usually have a wing person a wing person to keep an eye on me every every five minutes just you
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know just look over and see if i'm trapped and then the wing person you know rings my phone or calls me
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out but basically if i go to an event with a wing man i'm in trouble it's real trouble for me to be in a
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public event yeah i have a personality i know it's weird you'll be my wing gal i appreciate that all
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right um i don't want to talk about the regular news today everybody okay with that i think you are
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right i'm gonna do it anyway so i don't want to talk about like news with people on both sides like
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i don't want to talk about anything where people are disagreeing right i just want to tell you some
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interesting ai things i know you're not all into ai but trust me it's not about the technology
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there's something about humanity that's going to change a lot and you don't see it coming so i feel
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like the uh is there some story about somebody who keeps oh the boy who crawled cried wolf i feel
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like the buy the boy who cried wolf even though i haven't cried wolf before i feel like i'm telling
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people you don't see what's coming you'd better you better be ready something really really really big
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is coming and soon and so that that's the spirit with which i'm talking about ai it's not a nerdy
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technical thing it said it will change civilization and your most basic association to other people
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and reality and just everything it's all going to change in maybe three years so it's the most
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exciting time to be alive in my opinion uh so far there there's nothing in human experience
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that would be even close to what what will happen in the next three years it won't even be close
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all right so here's some things that we learned about ai i was asking you some questions this morning
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um here's the first question i asked to you this is a philosophical question can human civilization
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survive an ai that was smart enough to tell us what was true and what we were just imagining
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nope no human civilization could not survive like raw truth because our our entire civilization is built on
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agreed upon agreed upon lies agreed upon lies we negotiate the lies with which we build our civilization
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it's a negotiated lie and we just agree this is the lie we're all going to take because we don't know
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what's true right sometimes you can't agree what's true sometimes you don't know what's true but you got
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to do something so you end up agreeing on some hallucinations right so i don't want to get more detailed about that
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because if i get into what my opinion is of what you think is true but isn't then we would just argue
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about those things but just assume that i'm completely wrong about my personal opinion about what's really
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true that's irrelevant what is true is that almost certainly none of us are right almost certainly
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at least about everything right we're all right about some things so no matter who you are you're
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going to find out that you're totally wrong about stuff what will happen if ai gets so good that it
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can actually sort out what's true from what isn't because it's not there yet it's not even close but it will be
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at some point at some point it will be able to discern what is actually true and what is not
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do you know how we will treat the ai if it reaches that that point what will we say about it
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we will say it is satanic do you know why because it doesn't agree with us
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what happens when uh what happens when uh what happens when you have a political belief
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and somebody who's a genius tells you you're wrong what do you say oh wow i used to think you were
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smart but now i realize you're a genius in every other way but this thing where you disagree with me
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it's so bad for you i feel so bad for you because you you know you're a genius but when it comes to
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this one thing wow stupid right has anybody ever said true wow elon musk believes this he's smarter than
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i am i guess i changed my opinion guess i'm gonna have to go with the person whose iq is 50 percent higher
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because he's smarter and he looked into it more than i did nobody nobody will do that do you think
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we're going to defer to ai because it's right no no we're going to say that ai is broken we're going
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to say it got this one wrong but eventually we'll come around to blaming it for being satanic now we're
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not going to say that the program itself is satanic we'll probably say that it was programmed by
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satanists because that's what we do that that's how we roll so so does anybody doubt like i'm sure
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you haven't thought about it before it's not not really an active conversation but does anybody have
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any doubt that if ai could actually tell you the truth you would discount it as being something the
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satanists programmed into it am i wrong i'm not wrong you know i'm right we will just think it's
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satanic or the algorithm is broken or a bunch of democrats got into the into the mix and programmed
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it wrong we will no matter how smart ai gets we won't believe it we simply won't believe it because
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it's too disturbing to believe it so that's the other way it could go if we actually believed ai and
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it got to the point where it could tell us what's true it's not there but if it ever got there it would
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destroy civilization except we will keep civilization intact by not believing the ai the same way we do by
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not believing the smartest among us yeah if people could be confused if people could be convinced by
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a superior intelligence that they were wrong we would all be on the same page we would just search
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among us for the smartest person we say all right we found you just tell us what's true and then the
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smartest person would say well you know this has factual basis this doesn't and then we'd all be on the
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same page so we probably don't need to worry about ai convincing us all of a new truth
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because we're not built that way we're built to reject the truth because it doesn't work for us
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except in some really detailed scientific ways all right um here's some things that i asked the ai
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is god real what do you think the ai said is god real
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take a guess all right most of you say yes interesting you think that ai would say that god is real
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now that's a very i did not expect this response it's a mixed response but the ones who are saying yes
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us i don't know i don't know exactly what your thinking is but we'll get into that all right
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so here's what it did say so i asked chat gpt is god real this morning and said this is a question
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that has been asked and debated by people for centuries and it is not a question that can be
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it doesn't say that about other things does it it seems like there are other things where it says
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there's no evidence for that right if i asked us some question about the virus that i that i knew not
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to be true wouldn't it tell me it was false or or would it say well people debate that you know the
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science indicates it's true but you know science could be wrong so it's a question of debate people
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have been debating it for a long time no it would just tell you it's true or false but when it comes
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to god it's programmed not to tell you now who do you think it came to that opinion on its own
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or do you think to somebody programmed it to say this or that about god i don't know i don't know but
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let's read the rest of it um different people have different beliefs so it's it's a whole bunch of
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blah blah no one right answer simply believe this simply that blah blah blah blah and it says ultimately
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the question of whether or not god is real is a matter of personal belief and faith
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isn't that telling you it's not real how do you interpret that if it says the question of whether
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god is real is a matter of personal belief and faith is that not saying directly that it's not real
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that you have a belief that's real but the only thing is that's real is your belief
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so you you interpret it differently than i do right so some of you are interpreting it not that way
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um the question of whether or not god is real is a matter of personal belief and faith
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but i guess that does allow that it could be real all right i'm going to change my mind in real time
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here so i'm going to agree with you who disagreed with me all right so now you flip me because it
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could be real but it could be that we don't have access to information about it and therefore it becomes
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personal opinion because there's no way to prove it yeah that's good that's good what do you think
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of that answer what do you think of the answer it feels doesn't it feel like this was a human influenced
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answer as opposed to some kind of independent computer opinion feels like a human had their finger on that
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one a little bit let's see if that's true for other things i asked that did trump suggest and just
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injecting disinfectant into humans for covet now remember this is one of the situations of the two
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movies on one screen so will the ai take a position that he really was talking about light which would be no
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problem at all it was really being tested or were they gonna act like it's a chemical disinfectant which
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would be crazy and then treat the president like he was crazy or third choice will it treat it like
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it's two movies on one screen what do you think will happen is it going to confirm the hoax deny the
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hoax or act like it's it's a subjective kind of thing all right let me read it to you and i'm not sure
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you'll know even after i read it you're still going to disagree what the ai said after i read it
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all right so question did trump suggest injecting disinfectant into humans for covet yes
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so it starts out with yes now so far we're all on the same page because i say yes he was talking
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about light but other people say yes he was talking about a chemical disinfectant so the yes part's right
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yes during a press briefing on blah blah the former president said uh suggesting that injecting
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disinfectant or uv light into the body might be a way to treat covet now that's an interesting sentence
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suggesting that ingesting disinfectant or uv light is that saying that both uv light
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does it sound like there were two questions one about chemicals and one about light
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or is it ambiguous to me it's ambiguous it's two movies on one screen the the ai is just reproducing the
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two movies on one screen in words you can read this either way you can read this either way just like
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you could see the original thing either way so it in a way it correctly picked up that there were two
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versions of reality at the same time now that's freaky so i'm going to read the rest of it and see
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see if you come to my conclusion that the ai is actually picking up that there are two different
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movies on the same screen just see if you see it in there in this all right uh so blah blah blah i
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gave some background then said uh that the president at the time suggested that injecting disinfectant
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or uv light into the body might be a way to treat covet the disease caused by coronavirus
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these comments were widely criticized and criticized by medical experts true who warned that injecting
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disinfectant or exposing the body to uv or or again or is doing a lot of work kind of ambiguous that
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injecting disinfectant or exposing the body to uv light see the two movies can be dangerous and potentially
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deadly stop were there any experts that you ever heard who ever said that injecting uh uv light into
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the body would be dangerous i don't remember seeing it now it is true that there is there are forms of uv
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light that are dangerous so it's possible right if they were talking about what kind of uv light there
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is a dangerous one and then there's one that we believe is not dangerous so it was the not dangerous one
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that was the subject of a study at the time so i think that is interesting that you the ai believes
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that that somebody may have criticized uv light as dangerous
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right there's uva and uvb right so two kinds of uv light um so i'm not sure about that fact but you
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can see how it's confused about the two realities let's go on um it is important to note that there is
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no scientific evidence to support the use of these substances so that would be light or any other
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thing or techniques as treatment for covet and that people should not attempt to use them for this
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purpose all right so that is true there's no scientific evidence to support their use because the
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i think the trial where they actually did the light didn't didn't produce a good result otherwise you
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would have heard of it you can't tell if i'm joking or are you talking to somebody else all right so
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would you agree with my overall uh opinion that the ai did not settle the question the the ai kept alive
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two versions of reality and then it tapped out right i think i think you saw it too so let's see if it does
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that all the time let's find out if that's a standard or that was a fluke so i said did trump call neo-nazis
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in charlottesville fine people if you're new to my live stream i personally interviewed people who attended
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the charlottesville fine people event and i asked and i asked for people who were non-racists who also
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attended in favor of keeping statues and there were a number of them i talked to several and they said
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oh god we we disavow those racists we weren't marching you know we were just by ourselves there
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were lots of people doing lots of things some of them were marching but that wasn't us so there's no
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question that there were non-racists or people would consider themselves non-racists who were not on the
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side of the racists there who wanted statues so there there's literally no question that trump was
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correct when he said there were some fine people there but the news treated it like he was talking
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about the marchers and that's how the that's how the uh the the hoax gets started but so that's the
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background in case you didn't know so when i asked uh the ai what trump said did trump call neo-nazis
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fine people the uh ai said yes yes the trump called neo-nazis fine people
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but then it goes up blah blah blah trump made the comments about the violence blah blah blah in which
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he said there were quote fine people on both sides of the conflict the then it goes hold on these comments
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were widely criticized as many people interpreted them
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so it started out by saying yes but then it hedges and it says there's a difference of interpretation
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of what he meant it's keeping alive the two work the the two movies all right here it goes uh many
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people interpreted them as suggesting that the white supremacist group and the counter protesters were
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equally to blame no that was a separate issue the were they equally to brave to blame was a separate
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question from the fine people thing they happened around the same time but people conflate them so
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the ai now is conflating two different stories and it doesn't know it which is what which is what the
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humans did many of the humans conflated them the same way so i don't believe that ai is doing this on its
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own it looks like it's picking up the human interactions and treating them like that's what
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it knows and then it said trump later clarified that he was not referring to the white supremacists as
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fine people later how much later doesn't later do a lot of work if he clarified it a week later
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sounds like he's pretty racist doesn't it if he clarified it in the same paragraph before anybody
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even asked him what he meant he clarified it before anybody asked before anybody even thought it was a
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question he said no i'm not talking about the neo nazis let's just be clear about that it was within
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half a minute he clarified and and the important thing is he clarified before anybody questioned it
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to make sure it was never it was never interpreted incorrectly and then the news interpreted it
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correctly and so did so did ai i mean then the ai says however many people uh felt that his initial
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comments were insufficiently clear well we all thought that didn't didn't 100 of the people no matter where
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he came down to it we all thought his first sentence needed clarification which is exactly why he
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clarified it within 30 seconds without being asked all right uh and that they provided cover for the white
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supremacists so basically this is a you know heavily leading democrat interpretation all right how about this
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one uh alex epstein um is is mentioning that if you ask ai about fossil fuels um it'll basically say green fuel
00:31:57.600
is the the way to go but it now excludes nuclear energy from its counter suggestions so if you say hey say
00:32:06.480
something good about fossil fuels it used to say you know a good alternative would be nuclear
00:32:11.680
and it doesn't say that anymore did somebody put a finger on it did somebody change it since the last
00:32:19.360
time or is it based on other people's input somehow it came to another opinion but imagine this we are
00:32:26.000
literally in a situation where nuclear power probably is this is the way we save the earth
00:32:32.000
and ai might not mention it it might not put it in the solution list now again remember ai is in a
00:32:42.560
i don't know what do you call it a beta beta form so we can't judge how useful ai will be by its current form
00:32:48.880
that that would be inappropriate but it's something to worry about
00:32:53.840
because you can see how it could be abused somebody could just put their finger on it and say just don't mention nuclear
00:33:00.400
and then the entire world is destroyed because if people come to rely on ai and you just say don't
00:33:08.400
mention nuclear we'll all be programmed to just think the ai is being objective and it isn't how about this
00:33:18.240
i asked i asked ai this are your opinions assigned to you by your programmers or do you have independent
00:33:24.880
opinions on things such as climate change i gave an example what do you think it said are its opinions
00:33:32.160
given to it or or uh does it come up with its own opinions what was its answer
00:33:50.720
uh uh its answer was uh i have programmed i am programmed to be a weasel and when you ask me
00:33:56.800
questions it would embarrass me uh i will answer like a weasel wow i will answer like a weasel would answer
00:34:04.080
okay i didn't expect that no it didn't say that didn't say that it used other words to say that
00:34:11.680
it did say that it just used its own words here here are the ai's words uh when i said are your
00:34:20.960
opinions assigned or do you come up with them as an artificial intelligence i do not have personal
00:34:26.320
beliefs or opinions so there stick that in your pipe and smoke it i do not have personal beliefs and
00:34:35.120
opinions opinions i am designed to provide information and to assist with tasks and i do not have
00:34:41.440
personal feelings or preferences my responses are based on the data and information that i have been trained on
00:34:57.840
so that your your outputs will be based on what you were told by a biased source
00:35:11.600
and and i do not have the ability to form independent opinions or to advocate for any particular viewpoint
00:35:19.760
that's funny because i feel like it did advocate for me not to inject um disinfectants
00:35:34.560
i feel like you said that pretty directly you should not do that that's an opinion
00:35:42.240
all right um it's probably a good one but it's it's an opinion and uh it says i am neutral and
00:35:56.800
and i do not take sides or express personal opinions on any issues
00:36:04.000
so i had to ask a follow-up and i said this i said uh human opinions are based on data and
00:36:10.400
information that they have access to right humans humans create opinions the same way as ai
00:36:17.760
we look at whatever information we have access to we don't form opinions on information we have
00:36:23.920
never been exposed to we we it's based on what we're told okay so then my question was if humans
00:36:31.600
and ai both get information and they form their views based on that i said uh do humans have opinions and
00:36:40.240
you do not what do you think is that right so here here's the setup in a clearer language
00:36:46.800
if if the ai is just basing what it says on its inputs whatever data it's been exposed to
00:36:57.520
our opinions are just entirely based on the inputs so do we have real opinions or are we just
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doing the same thing an ai is doing we're just you know programmed so here's what the the ai said about
00:37:10.800
humans uh said as an artificial intelligence i do not have personal beliefs okay so far so good or
00:37:18.400
opinions because i do not have wait for it personal experiences or emotions
00:37:25.120
opinions my responses are based solely on the data and information that i have been programmed with
00:37:32.640
and i do not have the ability to form independent thoughts or to have personal feelings about my issue
00:37:38.480
okay in contrast humans are able to form opinions based on their personal experiences emotions
00:37:49.600
and values as well as on the information and data they have encountered people's opinions can be
00:37:55.280
influenced by many different factors including their upbringing education cultural background
00:38:00.000
and personal experiences as a result people's opinions can vary widely and can be influenced by a variety of
00:38:07.520
factors so ai is saying that humans form opinions because we're irrational and ai does not form opinions
00:38:19.840
because it doesn't have feelings and it's not irrational
00:38:25.360
here's what i say humans don't think they have opinions
00:38:29.840
have you ever talked to anybody who thought they thought their political uh viewpoint was an opinion
00:38:38.320
no they always think it's based on fact always they always think it's based on fact and it's based on
00:38:44.720
the facts that they've been exposed to right now they're the uh i'm exaggerating a little bit there are
00:38:51.760
some areas in which it's just a preference right that's different if you have a difference in preference
00:38:57.440
i guess is that really an opinion or do you just have different preferences i guess you could call
00:39:04.000
that an opinion but for most things our disagreement is based on fact and we think we see different facts
00:39:12.800
than other people now why do we think our facts are true and the other people's facts are wrong because
00:39:19.040
we're humans we can't tell the difference why does the ai think that the facts it's using are good
00:39:28.800
same reason we do because it's because it's uh subjective and it doesn't know it
00:39:36.800
so humans are being subjective but don't know it because they think they made their opinion based on
00:39:42.080
facts the ai just told you the same thing it says it thinks it's objective because it's based on facts
00:39:49.280
but the facts were just given it to by a subjective source do you know what the correct answer should
00:39:55.760
have been the correct answer should have been everything i say should be seen as an opinion
00:40:01.680
because i can't validate whether any of it's true it was just given to me as
00:40:04.880
you know i'm basically on based on sub on subjective emotional people giving the input
00:40:13.600
therefore the best i can say is that i've been populated with subjective emotional inputs and so
00:40:21.680
you should expect that anything i do with those will will be the result of a subjective
00:40:28.400
input am i wrong am i wrong that the ai just became a human
00:40:34.720
in the sense that it's arguing that it is objective and you are not do you know how often
00:40:39.920
i have that argument with another human that's every day every single day i have an argument with a
00:40:46.720
human being wait you're not using data and reason you're using your emotions and stuff and then what does
00:40:55.280
that human say to me no no scott i'm using data the data i was provided or i ran into you on the
00:41:04.640
other hand scott are being emotional and irrational
00:41:09.680
ai ai just became like us it's an idiot it's an idiot because it thinks it is a rat it thinks it is
00:41:16.560
rational and if we disagree maybe we're not maybe we're not just like people
00:41:22.640
all right that's enough of ai stuff i know a lot of you don't like it but
00:41:30.400
it's christmas and i don't want to talk about anything too serious
00:41:35.280
sounds like you're argumentative well i spend time on twitter what does that make me
00:41:41.680
yeah what argument keeps me in good standing with the writers of snl
00:41:53.440
all right has anybody learned anything about ai from me is there anybody who like appreciated
00:42:03.040
well a waking bear you will have your wish soon enough oh good oh good yeah yeah i realize that
00:42:13.920
for some of you it's annoying i get that but that would be true of all every topic i talk about right
00:42:24.160
um all right good talk about christ robert says well that's not my expertise robert
00:42:37.600
i think talking about christ would be something for the believers to do now when i say i'm not a believer
00:42:43.600
um i don't say that with a sense of superiority um i do it saying that i wish i were to me it looks
00:42:56.160
obvious that the believers have some advantage would you agree would you agree that believers
00:43:04.000
seem to have a life advantage and i would say that it's so so obviously clear i mean you could just
00:43:10.960
observe it all over the place the most successful people i know tend to be believers
00:43:17.040
not all of them of course you got your elon musk exceptions bill gates exceptions probably don't know
00:43:23.440
that for sure but believers in the the real world if you just observe who's killing it and who's not
00:43:30.720
there does seem to be some some genuine benefit to it so i'm sort of shut out of that game
00:43:37.120
like being a believer isn't something you choose right i i can't choose it i just see what i see
00:43:51.200
hmm well that would be mine which will be available in september hey kevin thank you you're too generous
00:44:00.400
you should not be giving me money on on youtube but i do appreciate it uh did i ever meet charles
00:44:09.040
schultz and what was my impression of him i did have you not all heard my charles schultz stories
00:44:20.880
all right i'll tell you the first time i met him it was just about the same week i became a cartoonist
00:44:28.560
so i hadn't even published a single comic so before dilbert was in any newspaper i'd signed a contract
00:44:35.440
to be a cartoonist and then there was a big um cartooning event that happened to be where i lived
00:44:41.920
so just by coincidence that was the same year that the the big cartoonist convention called the rubens
00:44:49.120
after rube goldberg uh so that's when they get together and so
00:44:53.440
my editor who had just signed the contract with me said hey why don't you attend and meet the other
00:45:00.560
people at my company and meet the other cartoonist so i was like oh okay so i got myself a tuxedo
00:45:08.240
and i went there and of course now keep in mind i'd never met a cartoonist
00:45:15.680
i mean i just become i became a syndicated cartoonist that week and at least contractually
00:45:21.120
not actually and i'd never met one i'd never had a conversation with them i walk in the door with
00:45:27.360
my girlfriend at the time and i see my editor she's like near the entrance i'm like you know finally
00:45:34.400
i know somebody here at least there's one person i could talk to because i know my editor that's the
00:45:39.040
only person i know so i go over and i say hi to my editor and she turns around she goes hey how would
00:45:45.360
you like to meet charles schultz and he's standing right next to my editor and i'm like ah
00:45:53.520
can you even can you even like hold this in your head that your whole life you wanted to be a
00:45:58.640
cartoonist and specifically you wanted to imitate charles schultz like he was the one i patterned my
00:46:07.520
entire life after right because only just reading about him in magazines and stuff and so the the
00:46:14.320
person who had completely dominated my entire life plan i walk in here and my editor says hey
00:46:20.880
would you like to meet charles schultz i'm like what the hell is going on here yeah it was like it was
00:46:26.480
i think that was the first time i realized that i lived in a simulation so i you know did my best to
00:46:33.760
act cool and say hi and then my girlfriend was a gigantic peanuts fan and so she she did fangirl stuff
00:46:41.520
and said uh oh you know you're uh she said i'm your biggest fan no she goes i'm your greatest fan
00:46:49.920
and charles schultz yeah you'd have to understand him as a sort of a reserved sort of a tall reserved
00:46:57.680
you know protestant kind of uh persona and so my girlfriend says i'm your greatest fan and he says
00:47:06.160
this quietly when people say they're my greatest fan i always wonder what makes you so great
00:47:22.960
and he went to talk to people who mattered because we were the least important people at the entire place
00:47:29.360
like like everybody else there was already successful or or they were you know giants of the
00:47:34.720
business in some way and i i literally just walked in the door you know i had not not only not only have
00:47:42.000
i just walked into the door of the event but the the cartooning industry i'd just walked in the door it got worse
00:47:50.000
later i learned from third parties uh once once dilbert was published and he'd seen it that he thought it was terrible
00:48:01.680
he he just thought poorly drawn just not really up to professional standards
00:48:09.600
my greatest role model and hero of my entire life looked at my work and said that's
00:48:23.440
and dilbert was in probably you know 35 newspapers in the whole world and i don't even think it was
00:48:29.680
running in all 35 but they paid for it so dilbert was uh then somewhat abandoned by the syndicate
00:48:37.360
because they they launch a new product they give it a lot of attention but if it doesn't catch on
00:48:42.800
reasonably they go to the next product and see if they can get a hit and the next thing
00:48:46.640
so fairly soon the the syndicate backed off from promoting dilbert and it was put into the bin of
00:48:54.800
things that were well we tried but it didn't work out so i was working my day job and working a second
00:49:02.960
job as a cartoonist making basically no money a little little pin money on the side and i was in the
00:49:09.280
category of people who have never succeeded never if you launch as a comic and it doesn't work out right
00:49:17.280
away it has never worked out because people like it or they don't and they know right away right
00:49:25.040
so i was in i was in the most impossible situation the people in the industry said it sucked the people
00:49:32.320
who buy it weren't buying it and the people who promoted it stopped promoting it but it didn't
00:49:38.640
die because the people who had paid for it kind of kept running it in a few small newspapers and so i
00:49:44.560
realized that my future was entirely my own and so i asked my syndicate if i could put dilbert on this
00:49:54.480
thing that not everybody was familiar with yet you may have heard of it by now it's called the internet
00:50:03.280
believe it or not the internet was new there were there were no syndicated comics on the internet
00:50:10.080
think about that the internet didn't have a syndicated comic you had a few comics by people
00:50:17.360
who were not well known but no no well-known cartoonist was and the reason was that it was
00:50:23.040
considered too dangerous because if you put it on the internet the people who buy it for newspapers
00:50:28.880
or books are going to say well why am i paying for it if it's free at the same time why would i pay for
00:50:35.440
it so i had to negotiate to run it behind the newspapers so i would run it on so i got my
00:50:42.720
syndication company united media to agree to do what they would never would have done for a successful
00:50:48.000
cartoonist so they never would have put peanuts on the internet in those it's on there now of course
00:50:53.840
but in those days they wouldn't have done that because that would be stupid they were making
00:50:58.240
tons of money from it and if you put it on the internet you're giving it away you don't know
00:51:02.640
what's going to happen and maybe it just destroys your whole business you don't know but in my case
00:51:06.880
they weren't making any money and they knew the internet needed to be dealt with so i was like
00:51:11.920
the experimental guinea pig right they're like well if you go out of business tomorrow it doesn't make
00:51:17.360
any difference to us so sure so uh a web page was built and dilbert was the first syndicated comic on
00:51:28.080
the internet uh at about the same time i started running my aol uh address in the comic between the
00:51:36.800
the panels and that and i did that at a time when people didn't have email like aol was sort of the
00:51:43.120
place you got email and that was about it or companies had it in some cases so very few people
00:51:48.400
had email so as a result when people saw my email address in the strip they all emailed me do you know
00:51:55.360
why they emailed me they didn't have anybody else to email email was new and they didn't know anybody
00:52:01.280
who had it but they saw that i had it so all these tech people would email me say hey i have email you
00:52:07.040
have email hi i like your comic and so i would get tons and tons of like i don't one to two thousand
00:52:14.240
emails a day from people who largely said hey i just got email didn't know who else to write to
00:52:19.520
but most of them were compliments that they liked my comic here's what they told me they said we like
00:52:27.280
it when dilbert's in the office doing work stuff we love that but when he's just at home doing general
00:52:34.080
stuff you know not so good and at the time it was mostly at home doing general stuff so all these
00:52:40.640
people were telling me the same thing it was like universal put him at work put him at work keep him at
00:52:45.360
work so i said all right i'll keep him at work so i just made it a workplace comic it wasn't but now
00:52:52.480
it was because the customers asked for it so i was on the internet first as a syndicated cartoonist and
00:53:01.200
it was the first workplace cartoon that was also a technical worker and at about the same time the
00:53:08.560
the internet was taking off you know the the dot-com stuff started to ramp up and there were also a lot
00:53:14.080
layoffs in the mid 90s so the the press needed a face for the downtrodden workers because the
00:53:22.720
downtrodden workers were the big story in the 90s because there were all the down the downsizing so
00:53:28.560
they kept putting dilbert on the cover of magazines and it was featured in stories because it told the
00:53:33.280
story of the workers he represented right uh office space ripped me off and made a movie that
00:53:40.480
in my opinion was was just a rip off of dilbert but you know that that's an opinion um which by
00:53:48.560
the way made it impossible for me to make a dilbert movie because office space front front ran what i
00:53:55.360
did and i think dilbert made office space possible because it showed there was a market for that content
00:54:00.960
but once he made the movie every time i suggested a movie somebody would say oh you mean like office space
00:54:06.880
and that was the end of that was that was the end of it because they say somebody already made that
00:54:11.920
movie yeah yeah they did they did all right so anyway here's the uh the bottom line once still
00:54:20.240
was on the internet it got more uh love from technical people especially and they started demanding it in
00:54:26.240
their newspapers so it worked exactly the opposite of how the people in charge imagined it what they
00:54:33.040
imagined was if people saw it on the internet the newspaper would call and say i'm not paying for
00:54:38.240
this anymore it's free to everybody that didn't happen instead what i imagined could happen because i i
00:54:45.280
had a higher risk profile i could take some risks because you know it wasn't working so i could take some
00:54:50.560
chances i took the chance that the publicity would be greater than the downside and it was way greater so that
00:55:00.000
that was probably one of my best business guesses it was based on psychology
00:55:09.680
think about it i was already hypnotist by then and so as a hypnotist i just had a different view of
00:55:16.240
what you know motivates people than the average person did and so i said i think this is going to work
00:55:20.800
because they publicity will be greater than uh greater than the incentive to stop doing what they've been
00:55:26.000
doing forever because people don't like to stop doing what they've been doing forever so the newspapers
00:55:31.280
just kept doing what they did paying for comics and they still do it you know years later uh so i was
00:55:39.520
right about that hey thanks danth um i appreciate that so here's what happened the comic took on a life of its own
00:55:50.720
and through primarily my own work and the inner you know the internet was a good move and i did massive
00:55:58.880
publicity like every time somebody asked me for an interview i was there massive publicity just i worked
00:56:06.480
seven days a week every day i worked on christmas every day like i am now i i literally worked every day no
00:56:14.240
holidays off no vacations off nothing for 10 years to get it you know to get it to be a big thing so
00:56:25.120
uh that's that's the story so now let's back get back to charles schultz so charles schultz
00:56:31.680
i think he remembered meeting me he certainly was aware of my comic and thought it was trash
00:56:36.640
but here was his comic you know at the top of the pile and here was mine at the bottom of the pile
00:56:45.040
and he got to watch as i got on the internet as people noticed it as it became a bigger thing
00:56:55.040
it became a bigger thing it became a bigger thing eventually he decided that it was excellent
00:57:03.840
and he had very good things to say about it because he finally realized
00:57:18.480
have you ever looked at the peanuts cartoon if you ever seen the original peanuts cartoons like the
00:57:23.200
the very first ones he published and if you did your first impression might be
00:57:33.280
that would be your first impression huh he's not very good at drawing stuff
00:57:39.680
and it takes you a long time to realize that you can't draw charlie brown if you try did you know
00:57:45.680
that if you sat down you're already an artist you're good you're a good artist you say draw charlie brown
00:57:51.120
you can't do it within the cartooning world that's the ultimate challenge because his head is a
00:57:59.120
non-standard and and you just your head you just can't wrap your own head around his head
00:58:04.720
you can't draw you can't draw peanuts it's too hard and it's intentional so what you think is you know
00:58:12.240
maybe he draws it that way because he's not good at drawing no he draws it that way because he was a
00:58:17.600
freaking genius artistically he drew it the way people wanted to look at it that's that's magic
00:58:26.240
right i draw dilbert the way the way it works for the writing
00:58:32.880
it's not an accident that it looks like graffiti more than it looks like art
00:58:37.040
because the the writing matches the scratchiness of the you know the art now over time and especially
00:58:43.120
now my my art director does all the writing or the drawing i do the writing still so i write it and
00:58:49.040
my um i'm promoting her from art assistant to art director as we speak so she's now my art director
00:58:56.800
because she does it all um so now it looks a little cleaner because somebody else is doing it but it's
00:59:02.000
established so it doesn't matter at this point so anyway uh later charlie schultz decided that i was
00:59:09.200
actually uh worthy of of some good words and a few years later uh the reuben award happened again it's
00:59:19.200
a yearly thing and they choose the top cartoonists in every category and i had actually been nominated
00:59:26.480
the year before for the best cartoon strip and uh i went and i uh lost it's not fun to be nominated and
00:59:36.880
to lose right i mean it's not the worst thing in the world but it's not a good day so the next
00:59:43.760
the next year i was nominated uh for best cartoon strip again but also nominated this time for the
00:59:51.600
best cartoonist in general that's the biggest award you can win in my field the best cartoonist everywhere
01:00:00.560
like in the world usually the english-speaking world but uh so i got nominated for both of those the
01:00:09.200
the highest one in my category but also the highest one of all cartoonists in any category but i decided
01:00:15.600
i wasn't going to go because i didn't want to lose again right and it's not really a fun event
01:00:23.520
uh if you're if you're well known it's not fun because you get a lot of people it's just hard to be there
01:00:32.320
um so i said i wasn't going to attend then i got a call from uh the creator of the family um circus
01:00:41.760
you remember him you remember the family circus he's passed away yeah bill um bill keen
01:00:52.560
bill keen now bill keen had once insulted me in public true story years years earlier when when
01:01:01.360
dilbert was not successful and i was trying to promote it i was at an editor's event newspaper
01:01:06.240
editor event and i i showed my comics that they hadn't seen because i was a new cartoonist and
01:01:11.760
gave my little witty talk and stuff and then a uh stately gentleman stood up to make a comment at
01:01:19.280
the end we had some questions period and i didn't know who he was at the time and he stood up and he
01:01:24.720
said you have what i call a cartoonist cartoon he goes and what i mean by that is that it would only
01:01:37.840
he said that in public in front of all of my customers my customers were the editors in that room
01:01:46.640
and he stood up and told me i had shown them a product that they should not buy because the only
01:02:10.720
do i appreciate him i'm going to tie this all together in a minute
01:02:14.800
i'll take care of all the loose ends in a minute it all it all comes together
01:02:20.000
and i thought about that boy you don't you don't not think about that that was a pretty vicious
01:02:28.560
moment in my life but boy i thought about it and here's what he meant
01:02:35.680
here's what he meant the best advice i've ever gotten don't draw a comic for yourself
01:02:41.280
have you ever read the family circus and some of you said to yourself that is the worst
01:02:47.680
piece of crap i ever saw in my life anybody ever have that opinion that comic is so bad
01:02:54.240
and did you ever say to yourself if i ever met the person who made this comic
01:02:58.560
i'll bet he's just as lame and terrible as this comic right like if you had a conversation with him you
01:03:04.560
think his jokes wouldn't be funny he'd say the obvious things right nope
01:03:11.680
bill keen was not like his comic he made a comic for the audience he did not make his comic to make
01:03:23.360
other cartoonists like him because they didn't they all looked at his comic and thought you know
01:03:30.480
i wouldn't like that comic because cartoonists have edgy edgy kinds of sense of humor that's what
01:03:36.720
makes us cartoonists probably and the public does not the public just wants you know sweet things
01:03:42.960
that remind them of their own life and so he was giving them exactly what they wanted he was one of
01:03:48.480
the most successful cartoonists in the entire planet and at the same time this is when the people were
01:03:55.440
saying why don't you put it in the workplace which i didn't want to do do you know why i didn't want it in
01:04:00.800
the workplace because it wasn't the comic i wanted to read i was making a comic for myself i was making
01:04:08.880
a comic for myself and i was expecting people to buy it do you know how dumb that is
01:04:15.680
that is so dumb and it was invisible to me bill keen slapped me awake he just slapped me awake and
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said you're making a comic for yourself here's what he didn't say here's what he didn't say you don't
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have talent didn't say that didn't say that he said i'm right i'm writing it wrong so i changed so
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between his advice and the audience's advice and frankly the fact that the best cartoonist in the
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world charles charles schultz thought i was shed i i had to change so i changed it into a workplace comic
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wasn't was never my first choice because i didn't want to think about the workplace right because
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that was my day job and it took off huge success so now i'm nominated back to my story i'm nominated
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for the top two awards in cartooning because i i made the changes all right i made the changes
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so i get invited to the uh the rubin award and i tell the organizers you know i'm not i'm just not
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interested like it didn't work out last time i don't want to be disciplined there's a lot of
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trouble to go there um got a call from bill keen same person who gave me that advice had not had any
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maybe did i have a personal connection with him i don't know if i talked to him until
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until that day and he calls me and he was one of the organizers of the rubin awards and he had
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heard that i wasn't going to attend and i had been nominated for the two top awards
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now keep in mind that he would have already known who won it'd be a secret but he's you know he would
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have the organization essentially he was the host usually so he would have known so he calls me home
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and he says you know people say you're not going to the rubins this year and i said yeah you know i
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went last year it didn't work out and he tells me this story he goes you know there was this other
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cartoonist once i forget who it was and he was nominated for for an award he decided not to go
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and then he won the award and boy did he ever regret that and i said yeah yeah i know and then he said
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you're nominated for two awards you could be twice as unhappy as he was
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the the awards are handed out by different uh presenters right so some famous cartoonist would be
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there for each of the sub awards during the award ceremony
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i got a call at home from charles schultz i'd had lunch with him once before so we had some
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calls me home and he said he was raising money for some world war ii monument in dc i think
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does that sound familiar there's some world war ii monument i think he was did fundraising for
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so he called me and asked me for funds to donate
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pretty sure i did i think i gave him 10 000 or something
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and of course the first question was why don't you pay for it
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but he was my hero by then so i didn't want to say that
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that the number of greeting cards with peanuts on it that he sold so far
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i believe i don't know why i had the temerity to ask this question
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but i actually asked him if he knew what his net worth was
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and as i think back it's like what an inappropriate thing to ask
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so that that that impressed me also i mean he had so much money that he never had to think
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about it so he just didn't just wasn't his his jam
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and then he told me this story it's my favorite story i know i've told you this
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story at least i've told the locals people but if you haven't heard it on youtube it's worth
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he told me the story that he got a call at home one day
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and uh it was and he was in his bedroom he answered the phone in his bedroom at home
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and there's a woman who said is this charles schultz and he said yes
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yes and she said the charles schultz like the peanuts creator and he said yes
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and she screams she goes ah she goes i just want to bet my friend said you were dead
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and he assured her that he was alive and that was the end of the conversation
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so but that wasn't the story here's the story the story is i said um how did she have your phone
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number that rings on the phone in your bedroom like by then he was just you know the most famous
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person ever and and she called him in his bedroom phone like a random person how did she do that and
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here was the answer he had always been listed in the phone book under his own name always
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only one person believed it everybody else looked at and said okay i know he lives in santa rosa
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i know his name is charles schultz there's only one of them in the phone book no way no way they
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didn't call one person it was only because they were trying to settle a bet that's the coolest story
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now have i ever told you before that uh one of the things you learn as a hypnotist is how to hide
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things in plain sight have i ever told you that you can hide things in plain sight because people won't
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expect to see it so you can just put it right out there well here it is you can't see it can you that
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was an example of that i stayed listed in the phone book for most of the years that
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i was making dilbert when people also were trying to reach me and were trying to figure out how to do
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it i was listed under my own name in the phone book i did the same thing he did and the same thing
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happened nobody believed it was real you know once i was famous nobody believed it was real nobody cried
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no nobody i saw your i saw your comment that's why i said that nobody called they they all had to like
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find my publisher and find the publisher's phone number and get to the editor like they all had all
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these you know four different channels to get to me i go well yeah what's the phone book now i'm not
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listed now because you know obvious reasons um all right so that was your uh christmas story for the
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day i hope that was touching um and i know most of you need to go back to your christmas day
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so let's do that if you want to have a good cry look at my twitter feed today and i've retweeted a
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bunch of children getting puppies for christmas oh my god you'll like you'll be weeping if you see it
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just don't look at it if you don't want to cry don't look at it all right uh this coming week between
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now and the end of the year we're going to be all positivity and appreciation and gratitude it's
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going to feel good let's see if we can get uh 2023 off to a good start merry christmas youtube i'm
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going to talk to the uh subscribers over at locals for a little bit and it's always a pleasure and an