Episode 1996 Scott Adams： Why Do The Most Educated People Keep Getting All The Wrong Answers？
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1 hour and 17 minutes
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164.94913
Summary
In this episode of Real Coffee with Scott Adams, I explain why the unvaccinated are the winners, and why the educated are the losers. Also, why do so many intelligent people fall for the "anti-vaxxers"?
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All right. Well, apparently I caused a little kerfluffle.
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Kerfuffle on the Internet with a video that I put out yesterday in which I said the...
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I made the mistake of calling them anti-vaxxers.
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But let's say the purebloods, the people who are unvaccinated,
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Because we've reached Omicron and whatever vaccination you got probably didn't help you at this point.
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And so, if you're young and don't have lots of comorbidities but you've got a vaccination in your blood
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you've got an extra risk that it would be great if you didn't have.
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So I'd say the people who got to this point with nothing in their blood that's out of the ordinary
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So I sent that in the video and I sent that around and it's got about half a million views
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I'll give you some of the hot takes and we'll talk about this in a moment.
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So if anybody wants to jump on me and insult me and criticize me in public,
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Don't get on spaces and compliment me or say you like the show.
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So for the benefit of the other listeners, just hit your criticisms.
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So I was fascinated to see people's reaction when I told the unvaccinated that they were
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the winners and that I'm acknowledging that with no reservations.
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Because one of the things I wondered was, could people take yes for an answer?
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Could you just say, okay, well, based on what we know now,
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it looks like, you know, you had the winning strategy.
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Some people said, oh, I respect that because you admitted you're wrong.
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Other people said, you're being arrogant in the way you admit you're wrong.
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Other people wanted to dance on my grave and tell me why they were so right and why I was
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And other people wanted me to know that it wasn't about winning.
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So it's the caring about people that matters, not the winning and losing.
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But the funniest comment was, this one was, why did so many intelligent people fall for
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And we're going to talk about this on Spaces in a minute.
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And I thought to myself, I wonder if it's true that there's any correlation between education
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And sure enough, in Pew Research 2021, the highest rates of vaccination by far are correlated
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So people with postgraduate degrees, the highest level that they measured, 89% of them at the
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But at the time, 89% were vaccinated, which we don't really call vaccinated, do we?
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College graduate, still pretty high up there, but less than the postgraduates, 81%.
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People who had some college but didn't graduate, goes all the way down to 69%.
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These are a little different now, but this was 2021.
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And then people who had only high school or less, it goes all the way down to 66%.
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And interestingly, among Asian Americans, it's 94%.
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And Asian Americans, as you know, have, I think maybe among the highest education levels,
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So what's interesting is, when I asked people how they knew, how they got the right answer,
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And if I listened to the data, I would have had the same answer too.
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And so this raises the question, why is it that the most educated people tend to look at
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the wrong data, where the people with the least education were looking at the right data?
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Or they were using the right heuristic or the right decision making?
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And apparently, I trusted the government too much, and I trusted Dr. Fauci,
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which is an interesting comment when you're talking about the creator of the Dilbert comic,
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who for 35 years, wakes up every day, and says something about distrusting large organizations.
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But I guess I trusted Fauci too much, despite being the first person in the country to call
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I'm the first person to call him a liar in public for the pandemic.
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Maybe other people hated him before for other reasons.
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And apparently, I trusted Fauci and didn't listen to all the other scientists.
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And this is suggested a way of going to the whiteboard.
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But I think we need new ways to make decisions.
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In the old days, I would go to a doctor for a first opinion,
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but then I would make the mistake of potentially going to a second doctor.
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It's basically two highly educated people, probably both sheep.
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So to improve my outcomes, based on what we've learned, I should go to an uneducated person,
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Because it turns out that the lower you went in the education attainment, the more accurate
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So you want not just an uneducated person, but you want to go as low as you can into the
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And then you want to also second, you know, maybe double-check your double-checking with
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The mainstream experts tend to have a bad record, but you want to be able to pick out
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the ones who are not mainstream and then believe them.
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So this would be the new, sort of the new decision-making.
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And I thought you could extend this a little bit, given that this phenomenon is so strong.
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If you were to look at climate change alarm, like who's the most afraid of climate change,
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The more alarmed you are, it correlates with how educated you are, doesn't it?
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And so, so you've got the, you've got the Davos people, the richest and probably most highly
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educated group you're likely to get in one place.
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You know, maybe academics would be a little different.
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But in terms of a business gathering, it would probably be the, you know, some of the highest
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Now, as you've taught me recently, they're getting all the wrong answers, right?
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Would you, would you agree with the statement that you've got all these brilliant people
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in one place and you tell me, are they getting the right answers or the wrong answers?
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Instead of a Davos, now, don't take this the wrong way, because I mean this as a compliment.
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We need a dumb Davos, dumb Davos, because we've got a smart Davos with all the smartest
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people, and if there's one thing we know about the smartest people, they are not good
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So, we need like a dumb Davos of the least educated people, and ideally the poorest,
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because the elites are giving us, you know, all their elite biased opinions.
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You want to, you want to get the real people who got everything right.
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So, if you go down there and you get a dumb Davos, and again, in this, in this context,
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I remember, like I'm old enough to remember, I don't know if you are, but I don't know
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I was thinking that smart people were more likely to get the correct answers.
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It's like, oh, you smart people who know how to analyze things are going to get the right
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A month ago, I thought, that guy can figure stuff out.
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But it turns out he got vaccinated, so I have to revise that.
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And really, I should find out who at Tesla has the lowest level of analytical abilities
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and see what they did, so I can get a second opinion.
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So, we see this everywhere, and I'm thinking that if we do a dumb Davos, dumb being a positive
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in this case, because they get the right answers, wouldn't we be better off?
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And so, I'd like to open it up to the spaces, people.
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I know I just asked you out here to test the audio, but do you have anything to say
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My only comment would be, I never considered myself an anti-vaxxer.
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Um, I was depending on smart people to make a decision to match my confirmation bias to
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Because it turns out the smart people were the dumb people, and the dumb people were the
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But what happens when you know the dumb people are the smart people, but smart people are
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And I remember Scott, like, waiting to see what you were going to do.
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And then I'm going to really have a better feeling about what to do.
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Erica, you've listened to me every day from the beginning of the pandemic.
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Why is it that your opinion of how I handle the pandemic is totally different than the
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people who only dipped in and saw a couple of tweets from me?
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Why do you have such a different and wrong opinion than the people who didn't follow me?
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She has the most exposure to my opinions and yet got it completely wrong.
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But the people who just saw a couple of tweets totally nailed not only my public opinion,
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I'm going to take some, see if I can find a critic.
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People take a while to turn on their microphones.
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Carla, if you were there, activate your microphone, please.
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Carla, you are removed from speakers for not being fast.
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What would you like to say or ask or criticize?
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I mean, I think you can be right to varying extents at different times.
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I think as Omicron came into existence, it was an absurdity to keep pushing the vaccine and for people to listen, obviously.
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Omicron is not a genetic genomic relative of the original SARS-CoV-2 strains, as were the other Greek letters.
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And, you know, to answer your question, why people fell for this, I mean, it was huge propaganda and a social aspect and so forth.
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I don't think we've seen the back end of kind of the political kind of kickback scheme from the pharmacology and whatnot, from the pharmacologic companies and so forth.
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But to keep pushing this and now bivalent and so forth when SARS-CoV-2 no longer exists on Earth is an absurdity.
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As far as your own position, I think it's an amazing thing that you, you know, kind of made this very logical admission, and you should be, you know, proud of that.
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I think that if you've gone over the short-term phase healthy, I don't think there's likely to be much more in the way of long-term problems.
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I think most of the problems are on the short-term phase.
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I'm not intending to give you medical advice over the Internet and whatnot, but I think a lot of the problems are on the short-term aspect.
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Well, why aren't you listening more to Alex Berenson, who's a journalist?
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You should be getting, because even today, well, hold on, hold on, Randall.
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Even today, he told us on Twitter that long COVID is fake.
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Are you getting your information from, like, journals and stuff, or do you get it from Alex Berenson, like a smart person?
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I've been doing my own videocast on a small basis throughout the COVID pandemic.
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I don't follow everything, all things COVID, all the time.
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I think long COVID probably will fall into the same category as all of our other previous kind of long problems.
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Well, you know, there was chronic mononucleosis.
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I think all through the history of mankind, we've had these kind of, like, quasi-depression things, fibromyalgia and whatnot.
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I think long COVID will probably fall into that category.
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I think the study that I saw from Israel, that there's not that much of it, really, you know, but people, you know, people are funny things.
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You know, we, you know, microbiologically, radiologically, pharmacologically, you can't find the soul, but people probably have them in a sense or act as if they do, and as Bart Simpson did.
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And people will, you know, get torn up and swirled around in the tornado of their emotions.
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And I think that people will, you know, think they have long COVID because they're, you know, we certainly did nothing to help people get away from COVID.
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Wait, are you, Randall, are you, or let me call you a doctor.
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Now, are you suggesting that long COVID will probably not be real, or it will be real, but as real as all of other long stuff?
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Yeah, I think it's, look, I mean, you know, we treat individuals.
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I only see individuals, and I try to deal with them as, you know, helpfully as I can.
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And you don't necessarily want to put, you know, kind of rub people's noses in their infirmities or their misconceptions.
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And so if somebody is tied to, you know, having long COVID, I'm not going to argue with that person.
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You know, I think if you, you know, were to do things pathologically and somehow could, you could do an immediate dissection of, you know, super MRI and check all their cells and whatnot, I doubt you'd find a tissue diagnosis of long COVID in people.
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You know, I don't think coronavirus per se is that unusual thing.
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I mean, coronaviruses have existed as long as human beings, you know, coincident on the earth.
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And, you know, if you look at journals before the SARS of 2003 or either one, you know, 2019, 2020, you'll find the coronaviruses by type were the second leading named cause of the common cold.
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So, you know, zillions, you know, billions, whatever, you know, of cases over thousands of years or hundreds of thousands, whatever.
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So through the existence of time, there have been coronaviruses in humans, and we've never noticed this long COVID before.
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So I don't think, you know, I think SARS-CoV-2 is a slightly, you know, stronger version because it came from the animals, you know, it didn't need to have equilibrated with humans.
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You know, the example I give is coyotes and dogs.
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There are coyotes existing right now, and there are schnauzers existing right now.
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They're related, and they have some common ancestor who's probably more wolf-like than schnauzer-like because the schnauzers, you know, and puppies or poodles or whatever have all been domesticated from wolves and coyotes and whatnot.
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But the coyotes don't need us, and coyotes can come and swoop down, and, you know, like the dingo ate my baby, they can come take something, and they don't care.
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And so when you have a zoonotic virus, they can come in and swoop down and be, you know, damaging and then disappear.
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But the schnauzers and poodles and whatnot, they don't want to do that.
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They don't want to eat their host because they'll starve themselves.
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So what we're seeing now is basically kind of an equilibration of the, you know, the tornado, the coyote, more, you know, evil, whatever, dangerous SARS-CoV-2, which, mind you, was not that dangerous, all things considered.
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If you look at the spectrum of influenza viruses pre-vaccine, so if you stack SARS-CoV-2 or SARS-CoV-1 up against Spanish flu, and both were, you know, given to populations, naive, no vaccines, extant in either population, you know, I would rather have SARS-CoV-2 than the Spanish flu.
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So the Spanish flu killed a lot of young people, and SARS-CoV-2 predominantly killed in the median age of death.
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And so it's mostly people with infirmities, you know, multiple diagnoses and whatnot.
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But, you know, getting back to the zoonotic thing, you know, right now, you know, in order for the virus to coexist with people who come in cold viruses, they don't have a zoonotic host.
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So the ones that do can come in and swoop down and be difficult all the time.
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Like influenza, as an animal host, it's probably domestic pigs in China, historically, who come, you know, are brought into the house because, you know, there's tiny farms and whatnot.
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So in the winter, they bring the animals back in the house, and they get, you know, they get the sniffles from their pigs.
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So every year we've had the, you know, the Hong Kong flu, the Shanghai flu, this flu, that flu.
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But they're all Chinese names because that's what the Chinese farmers have done, and then commerce brings it around the world.
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And so the influenza tends to be a more potent virus because it doesn't need humans per se.
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So it can equilibrate in another animal and then come back to people.
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But the other common colds, you know, adenovirus, rhinovirus, all that kind of stuff, we just, you know, sniffle and whatnot.
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And the viruses don't have brains, but, you know, in the population sense, they don't want to knock us down too much because then they will not be able to persist.
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So if they kill somebody, then that virus and that person doesn't pass on to the next person.
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So on a populace, again, this is kind of an iterative, you know, kind of a huge, massive computer problem in a sense.
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But, you know, trillions of viruses and billions of people, the ones that will be, you can basically have a choice.
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You can be hugely virulent or you can be hugely numerous, so transmissible or more powerful.
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And the ones that are hugely powerful, like Ebola, don't tend to be hugely widespread because they make like a meteor crater.
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And everyone else moves away because we have population response to the virus.
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So a virus, in order to pass around to billions of people, has to be somewhat surreptitious and not kill them.
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I want to let some other people in here, but thank you, doctor, for all the background.
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I want to just make sure I get some more people in here, okay?
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I just wanted to comment on what he was talking about with coronavirus.
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And this isn't the typical coronavirus because of the spike protein.
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And that is completely what weaponized it and has changed the face of this.
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That is why I have commented repeatedly, people are not dying from COVID.
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They're dying of cytokine storm, which people fail to talk about.
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This is the reason that patients in the hospitals did so poorly is because they didn't recognize cytokine storm and it wasn't treated.
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We were treating for a virus instead of an inflammatory condition.
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So, you know, the last speaker, I would have to kindly disagree that this isn't, quote, a normal coronavirus.
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We have several syndromes that are clinical in nature that don't have a tissue diagnosis.
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And likely what happened is the inflammation from spike has exacerbated or caused a lot of inflammation and inflammatory or autoimmune situations that are presenting as clinical symptoms.
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Now, how is the layperson such as myself supposed to know which of you two doctors has the right take on it?
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So, I don't know the other doctor's background, so I'll tell you mine and you can choose.
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The first 2,000 were in the ICU in New York City during the pandemic and in the Midwest.
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And most of those patients were treated by the NIH protocols and died.
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I then left the ICU and treated with early treatment, and I had less than 1% mortality.
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And those were patients presenting with stats in the 60s and 70s in severe distress that never went to a hospital.
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So, we gave a combination of ivermectin, steroids, medications like Singulair, ciproheptadine, finasteride, and then we were using hyperbaric oxygen.
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How many of the people who died with the standard treatment died on ventilators?
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So, the cytokine storm, this massive inflammation and blood clotting, destroyed the lungs, right?
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So, the patients, they said, I can't breathe, right?
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What they meant is, I can't take a deep breath in, because their lungs were filled up with this inflammation.
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And so, when we put them on ventilators, we had to do that because they were breathing 40, 50, 60 times a minute, right?
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It's like if you went to run a marathon, but the marathon never ended, okay?
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So, and we didn't treat them properly for their inflammatory condition.
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They were getting 6 milligrams of dexamethasone twice a day.
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If somebody has an airway compromise, we get 40 milligrams of dexamethasone a day, you know, in the ICU.
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So, you had this experience, which is dramatic, and the differences between those two sound like night and day.
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But, did you find that you couldn't convince other doctors and professionals that your take was the right one?
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Yes, I have, but most of those people aren't in clinical practice.
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So, you're saying that the people who have the same experience as you are largely on the same side?
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So, the people in the ICU are not convinced, right?
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Like, my entire profession thinks that what they're doing with remdesivir is correct.
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And, it's dropped dramatically since Delta went away.
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Because, since Omicron came, we're not seeing cytokine storm, which is why you're not hearing about ventilators so much.
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But, those people in the ICU are absolutely 100% convinced that they have to vaccinate their way out of this.
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And, they're completely traumatized by what they saw.
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We've never seen so much death in the ICU as we have during the last three years.
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And, the people who are successfully treating their patients absolutely buy into this.
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I see Dr. Vaughn on here and some other doctors that I've seen that are actively treating patients and having good outcomes.
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Well, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, though.
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Like, can you really tell the difference between good and bad treatment for Omicron?
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Don't they all just get a, you know, tough few days and they're fine, no matter what you do?
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What I can tell is people get better faster when you give them early treatment.
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I want to look, I'm looking for somebody's face who looks like they're really going to give me a fight.
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I just wanted to commend you for the video that you made.
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I think a lot of people, when they find out that they're wrong, an acknowledgement feels like a lie.
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And your video and this face are evidence of a whole lot more than an acknowledgement.
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My comment was that I think to the question of the space where educated people getting the wrong answers on vaccines.
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I think in the community of highly educated and credentialed people, the culture is really to rely on the education and the credentials of the people around them.
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And we maybe put a little bit too much stock in that.
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And so, I just wanted to draw a distinction between people who are educated and people who are curious.
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And I think that a lot of the people who did get this right, that I've observed in my life, are people who are curious.
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They're curious about the people around them, the world around them.
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They're just people that want to understand how things work.
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Do you think that there are people in the category of who did not want to get vaccinated, but if they had, they'd still be alive?
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People who did not want to get vaccinated and did not get vaccinated that would still be alive.
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Is there anybody dead who would be alive had they got vaccinated, let's say during Alpha and Delta, not so much now.
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I mean, I would have to say that I'm sure there's always exceptions.
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I would have to say I'm sure that maybe somebody would have had that situation.
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I don't think that the evidence bears that out at all.
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So at this point, you would say the evidence does not show that there's any population that benefited from the so-called vaccinations.
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That there's not somebody alive who would otherwise be dead as far as your take on the data?
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I mean, you couldn't make that argument for an entire segment of the population.
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That there's nobody, let's say over 65, who died who didn't need to, let's say if they'd taken the vaccination.
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Are there any people who died who would not be dead had they been vaccinated, like any?
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Like I say, there are always exceptions to every rule, but there is no evidence that that is true.
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So the million or so people who died, did they die of the, they died of coronavirus, or maybe they didn't.
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I think we're going to go with this monkey person here.
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I want to say I've listened to you for a while, and I appreciate you.
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So in terms of the kind of the axis of who can we trust, I think it falls apart into what other background?
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Because when you think about people, how they think about the pandemic, it can be about all the numbers, and you can think about how many people did we save in general.
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And those are the scientists, you know, they think about the statistics, but then there are other people that think about just giving all the information out and treating each person individual.
00:33:24.940
So I think that makes a big difference on who can you trust.
00:33:33.180
So you would trust more of the people who are treating individuals rather than treating to the data?
00:33:40.420
Well, I would want to get the information from both.
00:33:55.580
Why do you think the most educated people got the wrong answer?
00:34:05.560
Well, in part, I think it's because they have less time to look at people's backgrounds.
00:34:10.300
Like some people that I followed through the pandemic, I had followed from before.
00:34:15.720
And I had a certain amount of trust in them from way back.
00:34:19.400
But when they came out and gave some comments on the pandemic, I had already developed trust in them in general.
00:34:30.420
And I knew their ideology a little bit more than I did of the, you know, the scientists and the TV that came from the CDC or wherever.
00:34:41.440
I'm being asked to invite some different people on.
00:35:15.200
There's a ton of people who you're mentioning that I can't.
00:35:17.860
See, because the interface changes as I scroll.
00:35:26.340
See, you don't even know if you've already looked at that page.
00:35:39.660
Well, it's not a terrible interface, but when you get...
00:36:01.640
Sorry I'm being boring, but it's hard to pick from the interface because it's just dancing around here.
00:36:07.020
But I don't want to pick just from the people who are in the top of the list.
00:36:39.440
Do you have a question or a comment on why educated people...
00:36:47.740
So, I just wanted to let you know a couple of things early on that I picked up because I listen to your show every day.
00:36:53.480
I don't agree with you all the time, but I appreciate your views and perspectives on things.
00:36:59.380
But a couple of criticisms, maybe you could call it, is that one of the things I noticed early on with Dr. Robert Malone was on Joe Rogan.
00:37:12.460
And I felt like you were kind of dismissive of that discussion.
00:37:18.720
Not dismissive of discussion, but rather a specific fact or a specific point.
00:37:24.580
Well, no, I just, I feel like you, I don't know, that was just one of the things early on.
00:37:31.380
Now, are you aware that I made the same decisions as Dr. Malone at about the same time and for the same reasons?
00:37:43.760
And then there was a tweet that you put out that I think rubbed a lot of people the wrong way where you tweeted that for the vaccinated, it was a Tuesday for the unvaccinated, you're in the middle of a deadly pandemic.
00:37:59.020
That's exactly what I was hoping somebody would bring up.
00:38:01.780
How many of you remember or saw a tweet of mine in which I said, after I got vaccinated in 20, whatever it was, and I tweeted that for the vaccinated, now, if you're unvaccinated, you're in a deadly pandemic, and if you're vaccinated, it's a Tuesday or a Wednesday, whatever I said.
00:38:45.340
How many of you thought that was a fact, that I was relaying data?
00:39:00.280
Because you should have taken it as how I felt.
00:39:03.800
How I felt was I had now done everything I needed to do.
00:39:13.760
They came back, but at the time, there were no masks.
00:39:17.440
And once I was vaccinated, I could go anywhere, and I could travel internationally.
00:39:25.100
So when I got the vaccination, my feeling was I have no more pandemic-related problems.
00:39:34.580
But the people who had not got vaccinated were still living under some constraints that I no longer had.
00:39:46.020
And, you know, I had my freedom back temporarily.
00:39:53.640
So a lot of people have fact-checked me on my feeling.
00:40:30.400
Jenny, taking the L is the only reason I'm here.
00:40:33.960
So you're too much of an asshole, so I'm going to get rid of you.
00:40:40.460
So the funniest thing about my video, I mean, I pinned a video saying the people who didn't get vaccinated are the winners.
00:40:51.040
And there's still somebody out here yelling, take the L, take the L.
00:40:59.080
So Alex Berenson dunked on me on Twitter today.
00:41:03.100
And he wasn't happy to take my, he wasn't going to take yes for an answer.
00:41:09.460
He was a little bit angry about the things I've said about him in the past.
00:41:36.160
Well, I mean, you know, you mentioned how a feeling made you take the vaccine, right?
00:41:53.780
So there was a risk of long COVID, which might be zero, or might be extreme, and we knew less
00:42:01.600
And there was a risk from the virus itself, which we didn't know how engineered it was.
00:42:07.080
So there were two extreme risks that could not be measured.
00:42:11.560
And then the tiebreaker, I did the same tiebreaker as Dr. Malone and Elon Musk, which is I needed to travel, what I wanted, to travel internationally.
00:42:21.460
And so I had two impossible-to-measure risks, but the only thing that was unknown is I wanted to travel.
00:42:31.500
So I got it, and then I traveled, and I'm still alive, but now I have those chemicals in me, and who knows what those will do.
00:42:41.000
Well, the risk of the virus itself has now dropped to basically zero.
00:43:12.320
I want somebody who's going to give me a hard time.
00:43:16.060
The people who agree with me are not going to be a good show.
00:43:47.040
I invited him once before, and he didn't want to come on.
00:44:10.880
Well, I'm happy to disagree with you about something in a minute, if you want.
00:44:17.180
But I will point out, I'm sure you're well aware of the answer to the question, why are
00:44:25.380
That's a, you know, cognitive distance issue right there.
00:44:34.080
People we call educated, some of them have college degrees and they're not really educated.
00:44:40.460
So you're saying that the lesser educated people were, uh, had an immunity to cognitive dissonance
00:44:53.560
Then why did the educated people get the wrong answer?
00:45:06.380
I don't actually don't have any issues and I think it's remarkable how you handle things
00:45:13.940
But I will say that from the very beginning of the pandemic and the vaccines and everything,
00:45:19.700
I thought it was very strange in the very beginning when everybody talked about the
00:45:25.500
coming vaccine and how great it was going to be, especially President Trump.
00:45:28.840
And there were, of course, some Democrats saying we will never take the Trump vaccine.
00:45:34.000
And I thought to myself, I don't think anybody would ever take that vaccine no matter what.
00:45:37.620
Why would you take this vaccine that usually takes 10 years to make and then all of a sudden
00:45:45.160
And there were just a lot of questions about the whole thing.
00:45:47.600
And then when it came time to talk about those questions, they were snuffed out by one side
00:45:54.920
When you can't have an open debate about something, the side that's suppressing that debate is not
00:46:02.600
And I thought that would be obvious to nearly everybody.
00:46:05.240
But that's the part that I don't understand why educated people couldn't understand, because
00:46:17.640
Suppose you were in charge of the pandemic and you believed that the information you were
00:46:24.340
putting out was correct and it would save millions of lives.
00:46:28.080
Would you try to suppress the information you thought would kill millions of lives?
00:46:37.280
I don't know how I would be in that position, because I wonder how the people in charge got
00:46:43.280
and trusted their information, too, being that they are supposedly educated.
00:46:51.320
Seriously, let's go to the top and root it out.
00:46:53.640
Let's find out who really gave that person the information.
00:46:56.760
I don't think, you know, it wasn't one person beginning that there was a consensus in the
00:47:03.200
There was a lot of disagreement on the science of what little data was left to us.
00:47:08.220
And it turns out there is there was no consensus.
00:47:12.380
But we were led to believe we were intentionally led to believe there was some kind of consensus.
00:47:18.480
It was just the government leaders taking the side of the most coercive argument.
00:47:36.960
While I'm bringing Ian up here, let me clarify.
00:47:41.160
There were, of course, brilliant and highly educated people on all sides of the debates.
00:47:51.260
Let me just finish a point and then we'll go to you, Ian.
00:47:54.480
Somebody was saying that I wasn't making the point that there were highly educated people
00:48:01.960
It's just that the trend is a very strong trend that the more educated you were, the
00:48:09.860
So I'm not saying only smart people who were on one side.
00:48:16.100
So the question I wanted to ask you, and this is kind of like a weird thing, right?
00:48:19.760
So I kind of figured out pretty early on that a vaccine didn't really work, right?
00:48:24.100
Because it wasn't really showing efficacy against Delta.
00:48:27.140
And then when Omicron came in, you know, you would have people in your face.
00:48:31.720
We have to clarify in this conversation when you say it worked.
00:48:35.940
We found out early on that it wasn't stopping transmission.
00:48:43.060
And so, you know, by the definition of a vaccine, it kind of failed in that aspect, right?
00:48:47.440
And then, you know, some scientists supposedly, you know, came out and said that, hey, it's
00:48:51.540
showing some efficacy in the hospitalization rates.
00:48:54.460
Now, we don't know if that's, you know, entirely true.
00:48:56.140
The sample sizes are really small, at least the ones I've seen.
00:49:04.000
Are you saying that there's a dispute today that vaccinated people are doing better than
00:49:15.620
I think that was what was being told to us, right?
00:49:20.320
They're saying people who had the vaccine were showing that, you know, they had better results
00:49:25.940
I don't think that actually is true nowadays because the vast majority of people, at least
00:49:31.040
the ones that have been sampled, have been vaccinated, right?
00:49:33.400
In countries like Japan, you know, 90% of the population plus, you know, has been, or
00:49:37.600
at least actually closer to 100% have been vaccinated, and yet everybody's still getting
00:49:43.400
So I don't think there's any real significant difference.
00:49:47.720
There's thousands of hospitalizations a day, and they've all been vaccinated with their,
00:49:53.260
But Ian, how do you compare what they would have, how sick they would have been without the
00:50:05.620
So my point that I'm getting at is that I don't really think it worked at all because
00:50:17.080
It's not fast enough to keep up with the mutations of the variants.
00:50:20.580
So, you know, by the time Omicron came out, it was pretty clear that Omicron's fairly safe,
00:50:25.980
It's, for most people, it presents as a mild cold, and it effectively provides natural
00:50:33.140
He said it's basically natural immunity, and we kind of don't need the vaccines anymore.
00:50:37.320
And yet you still have Fauci out there pushing the vaccines.
00:50:41.940
I mean, a lot of governments are pushing the vaccines.
00:50:44.560
You know, some of them simply stopped the mandate at that point.
00:50:47.360
Or if they, you know, were thinking about doing a mandate, they just skipped it entirely.
00:50:51.320
They even dropped airline restrictions, like my country, for example, Malaysia, Singapore,
00:50:58.280
They were like, okay, we're not even going to restrict people from traveling to and from
00:51:03.020
their countries if, you know, even if they don't have the vaccine, right?
00:51:06.620
So it's pretty clear that a lot of health authorities were like, okay, this is not a big deal anymore,
00:51:11.440
But the question I wanted to ask you, right, is that why did so many people take the vaccine
00:51:17.180
even early on, despite kind of figuring out that it didn't really work?
00:51:26.180
Why did I take it with even knowing logically, right, logically, like my heuristics tell me
00:51:31.880
that, first of all, don't trust the pharmaceutical companies because they're just there to sell
00:51:36.700
And secondly, I mean, if it doesn't work, why the hell take it at all?
00:51:45.060
Because when I took it, the entire medical community said it totally worked.
00:51:53.560
Three months after, you know, so we already had some data showing that it wasn't really
00:52:00.160
You're telling me you took it three months before I did?
00:52:14.880
I, I, I was, uh, I'm not going to take a day one vaccination.
00:52:21.700
Do you think I'm going to be the first one to take an experimental vaccination?
00:52:29.060
I want, I want to see if there's anybody else who thinks that.
00:52:31.620
Do you actually think I would have been first in line for this vaccination?
00:52:40.360
That's, that's a polar opposite of everything I was saying at the time.
00:52:44.080
I told people I was going to wait as long as possible because most of the complications
00:52:51.080
So, it would be actually insane to take it first.
00:52:54.500
I waited, uh, at least six months or so before I touched it.
00:52:59.000
And six months after it announced, they were still saying it was super effective against
00:53:05.220
transmission, which by the way, for a clarification, my understanding is it was, but only against
00:53:11.940
alpha, which didn't last long enough to make any difference.
00:53:15.500
And it was, and it was, and it was a little bit, little bit effective on delta.
00:53:19.140
And then, you know, after that, basically nothing.
00:53:22.280
So, when I took it, the vast majority of the experts were saying, you know, we don't know
00:53:28.240
if there's going to be side effects because nobody could know that.
00:53:30.920
But they were saying it's definitely stopping you from getting alpha, probably helps you a
00:53:38.080
But that's all we know, and we're trying to flatten the curve.
00:53:42.040
Now, if those things were true, then it worked, except for whatever unknown, you know, future
00:53:50.260
problems you have, which is a big, big variable.
00:53:53.100
But in terms of, uh, if you took it during alpha and delta, are you saying that you don't
00:53:59.820
believe it had any protective value for those people, let's say over 65, who took it right
00:54:16.140
Like, perhaps in places where alpha was just introduced, right?
00:54:21.440
Now, the, now the, you know, but hold on, hold on.
00:54:24.920
You know, the entire medical community disagrees with you and would tell you, not the entire,
00:54:29.380
let's say 90%, would disagree with you and say that it made a big difference on survivability
00:54:40.180
I would, I would say, I would disagree with them because, simply because of the, just
00:54:45.860
But the logic is that, uh, the virus, I mean, sorry, the vaccine is developed to counter
00:54:53.280
You change a few things and so it's not the same virus anymore at that point, right?
00:54:57.220
It's like, it's like, it's with like influenza, right?
00:55:00.340
But you have a vaccine for a certain strain for it and you can kind of predict, uh, what,
00:55:05.200
you know, that strain might be, which is what they're using, you know, like AI now to try
00:55:08.640
to predict it, where it's going to develop or evolve into.
00:55:13.020
But I think you're, I think you're missing the sort of a basic thing about the vaccinations
00:55:20.780
So if, if the virus morphs in some ways, but not always, then the vaccinations would still
00:55:30.200
So, so it might work on the, you know, the first variation, but it's not, it's not going
00:55:46.380
Do you think there was any chance that the vaccinations during Alpha and Delta, uh, helped
00:56:03.180
So you think probably the healthcare system would have been pretty much the same, but even
00:56:10.500
And you, you know, that's the opposite of what mainstream science thinks.
00:56:15.440
They will argue for, you know, the efficacy of the vaccines, right?
00:56:20.640
I don't think they're not arguing it under, I see, I think this conversation, we're always
00:56:29.720
I think, I think mainstream everybody thinks Omicron's not going to kill them and so vaccinations
00:56:37.940
might be a little overkill unless you're, you know, 100 years old.
00:56:41.140
But during the Alpha-Delta phase, if the experts were right, and at this point, of course, we
00:56:49.220
have to doubt all data, but if they were right, then it would have made a big difference in
00:56:53.380
keeping the hospitals operating, you know, if you think that's important.
00:56:57.440
Now, you could argue that that's not as important as their freedom and free speech and, you know,
00:57:02.900
getting the information out there and, you know, not having mandates and all that.
00:57:07.400
But the argument is, did it make any difference during the peak of Alpha and Delta?
00:57:13.160
That's the only vaccination question that I think is interesting, because once you get
00:57:21.380
I mean, I don't see any- I see no medical reason for that.
00:57:25.580
And, you know, maybe you could give me some data someday that if you're 85 and near death,
00:57:32.200
But in general, I don't think anybody's thinking Omicron's going to kill them these days.
00:58:20.640
I've actually been in your local community for a long time.
00:58:23.780
So I wouldn't classify myself as a Scott Adams critic, but for the purposes of this conversation,
00:58:32.400
I think a few of the criticisms I have or the mistakes I think that might have made is
00:58:38.600
one goes back to, I'm sure you remember, there was a live stream you did with a risk
00:58:43.400
management matrix where you kind of laid out, here's how you think we could think about
00:58:47.660
the risk of taking the vaccine versus the risk of being unvaccinated.
00:58:55.020
Well, I think what shocked me as you were walking through this was that you got to the
00:59:00.960
point where you said, here's the long-term risk of taking the vaccine, and you said,
00:59:08.160
that's unknown, so we should just treat that as zero.
00:59:11.800
And that part didn't make any sense to me at all.
00:59:14.020
Yeah, well, I can see why that didn't make sense, because I didn't say anything like
00:59:24.120
Well, I know there was one of the vaccination risks that you said, basically, this is unknown,
00:59:29.900
so we should treat it as zero, because there's no quantifier.
00:59:33.520
I would never say anything, I would never say anything even in that universe.
00:59:38.520
You think I would ever treat a vaccination as a zero risk?
00:59:47.660
I think even people in the local community are agreeing with me right now.
00:59:51.740
No, well, actually, but just think about it logically.
00:59:57.740
You should have known I wasn't saying that, because nobody would say that.
01:00:01.360
That's like something that literally nobody would say.
01:00:18.280
You might have heard something you thought was that.
01:00:23.840
That if you looked at the risk of long COVID, that was totally unknown.
01:00:28.320
And if you looked at the risk of the vaccination, it was totally unknown.
01:00:34.060
So since both of those are potentially big and totally unknown, you should treat them like they're not part of the decision.
01:00:44.540
But if you just say you're ignoring one of the big risks, I would never say that.
01:00:51.360
I'm saying that there are two big risks, and they're both unknown.
01:00:55.220
So you have to treat them as equivalent unknowns.
01:01:03.240
Well, in any case, I think, and to be fair, when you went through this risk management matrix,
01:01:07.520
you said very clearly everyone should make their own decisions on how to weigh all these different risks.
01:01:12.900
You were just laying out the matrix for people, and then you walked through an example of it.
01:01:16.340
But I think your example probably colored how people perceive that.
01:01:20.760
And that kind of leads into my next criticism is that I think one of the reasons that people perceive you as being pro-vax and pro-mask
01:01:29.720
and all these other things that I do think are mischaracterized is that as I listen to you, you know,
01:01:35.360
I don't know, maybe a hundred times going through, let's talk about this aspect,
01:01:38.660
or let's talk about this study, or let's talk about this particular way of thinking about the pandemic or the vaccines.
01:01:44.960
The majority of those things were discrediting anti-vax arguments.
01:01:50.720
And, you know, you had all sorts of disclaimers saying, I don't know if this is true,
01:01:54.800
or I, you know, I don't, I'm not telling anybody whether or not to get the vaccine.
01:01:58.700
But when you then proceed to say, here's why this anti-vax argument doesn't make any sense or isn't credible,
01:02:05.160
which is usually what you focus on is whether something's credible,
01:02:08.420
that it definitely leads people to believe that you're on that side of the argument
01:02:13.760
because you didn't spend nearly as much time talking about here's why the pro-vax arguments don't make sense
01:02:18.900
or here's why the pro-mask arguments don't make sense.
01:02:21.000
And I know you're a persuasion expert, so you had to be somewhere, I would think, of how you would perceive it that way.
01:02:31.760
So you're right, I was completely aware of that and had no interest in fixing that at all.
01:02:40.880
But your observation is correct because that's your take on what was happening.
01:02:45.840
So there's no argument on your subjective impression.
01:02:49.940
But here's why I didn't criticize the other side.
01:02:55.460
I was the first person who told me the vaccinations wouldn't work.
01:02:58.720
I predicted that before warp speed started, like as it was announced.
01:03:04.000
Because it was very clear that they'd been trying for 20 years to get something that would work as a vaccination as a coronavirus.
01:03:11.480
All of the experts said we have no idea how to do it and it's not going to happen in a year.
01:03:18.860
The second thing I've said, consistently and always, I'm the creator of the Dilber comic strip.
01:03:26.120
I never believe anything that comes out of big pharma, big government, big corporation.
01:03:36.100
And you don't need to know anything else about the vaccination side of the argument.
01:03:39.500
To me, to me, the entire pro-vaccination criticism is how much money is involved.
01:03:49.940
And I've always said that you can't believe the data.
01:03:52.960
I always said that I'm going to wait as long as possible because I don't trust it.
01:03:56.880
You know, on day one, I definitely don't trust it.
01:03:58.780
But at least I'll see how many people die in the first six months.
01:04:01.880
So to me, the argument against the vax, meaning against trusting big companies, is just so stipulated and given that it needs no explanation.
01:04:13.120
Whereas the anti-vaxxers were primarily swimming in misinformation.
01:04:22.720
So I would say 95% of the anti-vax stuff was wrong data and misinterpretation.
01:04:37.520
But the pro-vax side is so discredited on obvious grounds.
01:04:44.540
Big money, people you don't trust, big governments.
01:04:48.040
Those things were, I think, everybody knew that.
01:04:50.920
And everybody knew that the vaccinations were not tested as much as normal ones.
01:05:00.840
So those arguments didn't need to be made because everybody could see them plainly.
01:05:04.680
But you're right that I quite intentionally stirred the pot of the people who were the, let's say, the most riled up.
01:05:15.280
Because I thought it would be useful to help the skeptics know which parts they shouldn't rely on.
01:05:22.200
In other words, I was the skeptic of both the pro-side and the anti.
01:05:28.000
I was skeptical, extreme skepticism on both sides.
01:05:31.840
But it is nonetheless true that although most of the anti-vaccination arguments were based on ridiculous data and misinterpretation of data and confusing causation and correlation, which is what I like to talk about,
01:05:48.160
it is nonetheless true that if they didn't get vaccinated and they got to the age of Omicron, they won.
01:05:55.340
Now, the people who didn't get vaccinated and, according to the medical professionals, died because of it, hypothetically, they lost.
01:06:07.860
So I'm just saying, if you just look at the outcomes, the people who simply said, don't trust the government, there's a lot of money involved, they're going to be right 80% of the time.
01:06:22.860
Yeah, it doesn't even matter what the topic is, right?
01:06:25.440
The people who say, look, look, look, I don't even care what the topic is.
01:06:28.660
Could be climate change, could be vaccinations, could be the World Economic Forum, could be anything.
01:06:34.680
Whatever it is, 80% of the time, the government's lying to you and it's not good for you.
01:06:39.960
So if you just took the heuristic of, follow the money, do they have a billion-dollar reason to lie?
01:06:54.160
There's nobody who didn't understand the size of that risk.
01:06:58.080
So it's nonetheless true that the people like me, who took it analytically, we got one answer.
01:07:05.960
The most highly educated, trained people, got one answer.
01:07:11.260
And the people who used a rule of thumb, like, look, they're obviously lying.
01:07:18.260
They're doing everything you would do if you were shady.
01:07:22.500
And if you do everything that you do when you're shady, we're going to assume you're shady.
01:07:29.680
And that argument turned down to be one that if you didn't die, you won.
01:07:37.700
Well, I would also take issue with saying that the other side, the anti-vax side, didn't approach it analytically.
01:07:45.160
And I think many of them dove deep into looking at studies.
01:07:53.160
Well, that means you believed some and you disbelieved others.
01:07:57.600
And none of us have that ability, unfortunately.
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In fact, I had a network of people, many of them were doctors, that we would discuss these things in depth and try and demunk them.
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But we know there's no amount of group that can know which data is correct.
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I'm talking about there were vaccinated people in it and unvaccinated people in it.
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No, getting a lot of perspectives doesn't help you as much as you want it to.
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Because it's a lot of people who don't know what they're talking about.
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Well, in any case, I don't think it was, for many people on the anti-vax side, just a rule of thumb decision, though.
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And to your point, yes, maybe they have just as much cognitive dissonance and groupthink or errors in terms of saying,
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I'm only going to trust the things that agree with me.
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I'm sure some of that is true for me and for all the people that I consulted with.
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I do think that there was an analytical approach there.
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I mean, I was looking at studies that was saying the spike protein is what's causing the damage of coronavirus.
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And that seemed to never get connected in the media with, by the way, that's the same spike protein that's in the vaccines.
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But I would argue that your view, if you believe some of the medical data, but not, say, the mainstream,
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that that's not a data argument, that that's an argument that the other people are liars.
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I mean, I think a lot of them may have certainly believed what they were saying.
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And how would you know, how could you judge, even with the help of the other people who are looking at it,
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how could you judge what it was correct in the data?
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Like, I'm not a hundred percent certain of either side.
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I would just say that the risk management decisions, to me, seem pretty obvious.
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But with all these unknowns, it doesn't make sense to take this treatment,
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especially with a disease that is not nearly as deadly as they were saying it was.
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Or did you believe it when you made your decision to vax or not vax?
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Did you believe that long COVID was a real thing or no?
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I would have put a low probability on it, maybe 20%.
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Or at least that it's true, but it's only true in the sense that there is a post-vaccine
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or post-disease fatigue syndrome that applies to any major illness.
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Like, if you're in the hospital, there's a time it takes to recover.
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So some of it might just be the normal amount of that.
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Which could make it drag on for six months or so.
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And then you also had an unknown risk from the vaccination itself.
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So I took my own age, my own health, lack of comorbidities into account.
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I mean, in my case, I actually thought my parents, because they're very old,
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But part of that calculation, in my mind, is that because they're older,
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well, they're only going to be alive a certain number of years anyway.
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So do you think you could compare your decision to somebody who is older?
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So I was in the category where the professionals were saying,
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okay, you're in the category where you should get vaccinated.
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If I were young, if I were 51 and thinner, I'm not sure that I would have.
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And if I didn't have asthma, I'm not sure I would have.
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So your decision and mine actually sound the same.
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In other words, if I were young, I would have said, oh, the risk is low.
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I'll take a risk of long COVID if I'm young and healthy.
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But not so much if I'm older and I have some risk.
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Yeah, Scott, I have no criticism with the decision you made.
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Like, I mean, I think you, I mean, I don't know that I would have necessarily
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I think if I were 65 and if I had comorbidities, maybe that would have
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And by the way, I don't claim that I made a correct decision.
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So I've always claimed it was guessing on my side.
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Where people got angry is when I said, I think it's guessing on your side, too.
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No, I mean, my criticism is just about, you know, the fact that you're saying,
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well, the analytical people made one decision and the other people were all
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using a rule of thumb, whereas, you know, I mean, I think I did a very deep
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dive into research and talking to all sorts of people and listening to all
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sorts of perspectives and made my decision based on that analysis, not based on
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just, I don't trust the government, end of story.
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So I was skeptical of all the government's information, but also all of the skeptics'
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You were a little more convinced by the skeptics' argument, whereas I gave them all zero credibility.
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Although, I mean, in many cases, I did not believe some of the skeptics' information,
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especially the ones that were very hyperbolic or, you know, the ones that are saying everyone's
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going to die, and there were all sorts of theories that people would put forth about
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how, you know, it's going to just be the end of the world.
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Like, it's just, on the whole, when I put it all together and when I have to come up
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with a decision, I certainly fell out on the anti-vax side, and it seemed a pretty easy
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decision once I looked at all the arguments and data and perspectives.
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So you're a tech, you're a rational tech kind of a brain?
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I appreciate all your Twitter interaction as well.
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I wasn't watching your comments as much as I should have.
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But for those of you on YouTube, you're unaware that if you look at my pinned tweet,
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you're going to be happy, because that's where I say that the people who didn't get vaxxed
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The ones who are saying, you refused to say you were wrong.
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The entire context of today is that I tweeted a video of me saying that the people who didn't
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Because if you didn't get vaxxed, you don't have any risk of the vaccination itself.
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And Omicron's, you know, if you're young and healthy especially, Omicron's no big deal,
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That's why I think we need a dumb Davos, because the people who knew before the data was reliable,
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and they knew just from, you know, heuristics and from their common sense and their logic,
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Because my education experience didn't teach me how to be certain before there's any information.
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By the way, if you haven't looked at the comments to my video in which I say the non-vaxxed are the winners,
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you have to read the comments, because they're hilarious.
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I'm going to talk to the locals people for a minute.