Episode 2585 CWSA 09⧸02⧸24
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1 hour and 35 minutes
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177.49277
Summary
Coffee with Scott Adams is the of the 21st century. It s the dopamine hit of the day, the thing that makes everything better, and it happens just about now. It s called coffee, and there s never been a better time in your life to drink it.
Transcript
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or something different i don't know oh anything could happen today anything could happen
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good morning everybody and welcome to the highlight of human civilization it's called
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coffee with scott adams and there's never been a better time in your whole life
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but if you'd like to take this up to levels that you can't even understand with your tiny shiny
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human brain all you need is a cup or a mug or a glass a tank of chalice or stein a canteen jug or
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flask a vessel of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid i like coffee and join me now
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for the unparalleled pleasure it's the dopamine hit of the day the thing that makes everything
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better it's called the simultaneous sip and it happens just about now go
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oh what's happening to my muscles oh they seem to be growing first story lightly roasted coffee
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benefits for overweight individuals can lower your body fat and increase your muscle mass that
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must be what i'm feeling i feel my muscle mass increasing do you feel that too probably
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yes or anything that coffee can't do i have not discovered it yet if you were attacked by a
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venezuelan gang and you had a hot cup of coffee you could use it as a weapon if you didn't want to
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use those weapon and it cooled too much you could take a sip it would increase your muscles decrease
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your muscle mass or your weight you could run faster you could fight harder coffee there's nothing it can't do
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happy labor day or as i say the day off for lazy podcasters if you're a lazy podcaster enjoy your
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time in bed today no i'm working you know i'm working it's called labor day it's not called day off day
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they called it labor day for goodness sakes don't get it backwards
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well um i was expecting i might have a surprise guest today but there's a little uncertainty about
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that so if that happens i'll let you know but there is one thing happening that i'm pretty certain about
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if you're listening to this on video you cannot see me holding up the dilbert 2025 calendar
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which is available today but only at the link you can find at dilbert.com you won't be able to get
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it on amazon you won't be able to get it anywhere else and there's a reason for that would you like
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to see it it's a 2025 calendar we had to skip a year because you know things came up but we're back
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by popular demand and this time so here's the here's the thing in order to make the calendar in america
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so this is the first time it's american made for literally decades people have been writing to me
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and saying you know i love your calendar but i don't like that it's printed in china
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i didn't like that either so one of the benefits of being a free agent is i can say
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what would it take to not make it in china here's the answer it's really expensive to not do it in china
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but i could compensate for that in two ways uh number one get rid of the traditional publisher
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so i get rid of the whole publisher cut number two get rid of amazon so if amazon is in it they're
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going to take a bunch if you add together the publisher's cut and amazon's cut do you know
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how much that is of the retail price it could be around 90 of the retail price that's that's before
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shipping so so i got rid of the traditional publisher and i got rid of amazon so the only
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place you can get it is the link that you will see at dilbert.com and it takes you to a purchase page but
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because shipping is way too high these days you all know that right shipping's crazy for everything
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i'm going to give you twice the comics this time so on the front will be the traditional
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dilbert comic like you're you're used to things that have been published before but now are in comic
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form but watch this here's something you've never seen before oh on the back of every page
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is dilbert reborn dilbert reborn is the comics that have only been published after cancellation
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and they're the spicy ones the edgy ones if your co-workers are kind of prickly and maybe a little bit
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of Karen-ish you don't want to take this to work or if you do make sure they only see the top
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don't let them turn it over and see the the edgy ones you might want to use this in your home office
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so let me make a pitch for it if you want to lower your lower your shipping costs
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get more than one it's not exactly you know proportional but it'll greatly lower your costs
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if you're buying them as gifts and if you pre-order them now they don't get made until later the pre-order
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will allow me not to lose a tremendous amount of money in case nobody buys it
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so because i got rid of a publisher the publisher acts like a bank so they're the ones that take the
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financial risk for the author but since i got rid of the publisher i'm taking the financial risk myself
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so if you pre-order it it makes a big difference to me so that's that's my pitch if you want to help me
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out if you like to see the calendar next year pre-order that makes all the difference i'll tell
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you more about it and how i'll give you a little bit more about how to make it in america because
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that's kind of fun uh there's a little bit of the background to that and i'll show you literally how
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it's made but enough on that uh the media is having a fun time trying to explain why republicans keep
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suggesting that people should have kids the guardian they've got a article here opinion says the rights
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obsession with childless women isn't just ideology it's essential to the capitalist machine
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what they're saying that the reason that republicans want to have more children
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is just that it's necessary for capitalism okay that's true it's also necessary to
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survive it's also necessary to defend your country against foreign invaders in fact having
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children is necessary for literally everything literally everything but yes capitalism would be one of
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those things it's on the list fortune which used to be a publication but now it's god knows what it is now
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says this uh this is also a headline elon musk and others urging people to have more kids are essentially
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calling for a ponzi scheme experts say a ponzi scheme is having children a ponzi scheme yeah totally
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is it's totally a ponzi scheme but it's one you need if you want to survive hey look it looks like my guest
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is here i'm gonna accept my guest and then i'll introduce him if i can actually get him to come on here
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oh that didn't work okay i accepted a guest but then my guest disappeared
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okay we'll see uh we'll see if that works again hey there you are maybe it's working when i found
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out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from winners i started wondering is every fabulous item
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mic from winners like that woman over there with the designer jeans are those from winners
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ooh are those beautiful gold earrings did she pay full price or that leather tote or that cashmere
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sweater or those knee-high boots that dress that jacket those shoes is anyone paying full price for
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anything stop wondering start winning winners find fabulous for less uh i think we're in how are you
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doing scott i'm doing great jason if you don't recognize jason that means you haven't seen the
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all-in pod the number one podcast in the whole world is that still number one well you know i i have
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a persuasion coach and if you say something on repeat people believe it so i've been saying we're
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the number one tech podcast for a while and then i added business and now i added politics and so i joke
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i'm manifesting but did we do the simultaneous sip yet did i miss it well we can do another one i i
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okay well all you need is a cup or a jug or a flask a vessel of any kind you know that's that's roughly
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it yes roughly it uh well i'm a big fan you feel stronger do you do you feel your muscles increasing
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with the with the coffee i do i do and you know i'm um there was a study today i don't know if you saw
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this but maybe you can guess the percentage of people who believe that if you read a study about
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coffee uh you're going to lean towards the ones that make it better it's roughly maybe in the
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comments i'll tell us what percentage that is you know this might be my imagination but as you
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sip your coffee you look to be better looking possibly healthier you look a little younger yourself
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actually uh good stuff man it's the good stuff yeah i feel younger i feel so so i wanted to have
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you on because i wanted to see where you're at with this presidential stuff have you picked a winner yet
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do you do you like anybody for the president i'm still a bit of a double hater uh i hate to tell folks
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that um i'm a moderate um i'm i would say a left-leaning moderate i'm very left on social
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issues i think people should be allowed to do whatever they do and i'm kind of conservative
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on fiscal issues so i guess i would be described best as like a clinton democrat um is what people
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tell me but on the pod i kind of get pushed a little left because a couple of my friends are very
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right as you know like keynote idea at the rnc right so you know if i ask you know some probing
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questions people kind of assume i'm left but i'm here on my horse ranch in texas i left california
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and uh you know i was just shooting my my uh pistol the other day here and people are very like
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are you left or right i'm so confused well now you having such an influential podcast you realize that
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the spider-man problem is is upon you you with great uh power comes great responsibility
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and i and i feel that it might be time for you to come off the fence and say you know what
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yeah we all have to choose we all have to choose and now you're gonna you're gonna hypnotize me
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um i i did promise that i would hypnotize you to support trump well no you know i um i really
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appreciate what you do i found i i have like a two scott adams eras you know i'm part of the it
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generation i was an it guy in the early 90s and so we grew up on dilbert uh and you know some of my
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friends and we kind of have dilbert rules or you know it's in our industry it's a big part of the
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culture um and then during covid um or slightly before covid i think you had my friend naval on
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from angel list and uh i was like what is this thing that scott adams is doing on periscope and i
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started watching it um and then i saw what you're doing on locals and i subscribed because i i study
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media and i think what you've done here is like very interesting for the audience and the community
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you've built and i kind of feel like you're becoming you ever see the truman show or the
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documentary we live in public right i feel like we're all witnessing your third act of like this is
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the this is the scott adams truman show you're putting yourself under a microscope for four hours a
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day and speaking for three or four hours a day like it's a bit it's a bit spicy it's also ironic
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because you might know i had the uh rfk junior voice problem for several years i literally couldn't
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speak yeah and now now my the irony is that it's all i do it's my job to speak uh it's really
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interesting rfk because when we had this week's pod and i know you you listen to the pod once in a
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while um we had um hoffman scheduled and then at the last minute rfk dropped out of the race and and
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we had had him on before any other podcast and i think we were maybe the second to have vivek on
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um and he was very complimentary of us and told everybody it really helped him kick it off so we
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said hey you know now that his campaign's ending maybe come back on and we had them on at the same
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time and people were like you guys keep interrupting hoffman but you let rfk speak
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um and i realize now in talking to you you kind of have to let rfk speak because because he's got this
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condition with his voice you're leaning in i mean not hoffman level leaning in but you know like
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regular level of leaning in i saw here i saw your man cave on that don't don't get too close to the
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camera folks and you put it up a little bit yeah um but he was you know you it's actually a kind of
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a gift when you speak that way and if i were to slow my voice down right now and lower it to 50
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percent everybody in the comments now has doubled their attention and i think with him you kind of
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triple your attention because you're like i i feel so bad that he's got this condition
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and he's very smart clearly and he's got i really need to listen to this and so i do think i don't
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interrupt him or move the conversation on because of that the condition you want to make sure you give
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the guy the benefit of the doubt that he can get his point across i i think there's another thing
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going on which is if you're willing to listen to him it better be good in other words he can't be
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just another guy talking about politics because that's everybody but he is way more interesting and
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provocative and makes your brain go so the the investment is worth it and then if if you if you pay for
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something like with your attention and then you get a value that that's so sticky that's that's like
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persuasion turbo right there absolutely yeah and if it was just another politician you know reading
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whatever talking points you'd be like well this is kind of a waste for time it's painful and i've
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heard this before there's nothing unique here i'm trying to figure out who writes his stuff does he
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write it himself and he's got that kennedy magic because i mean it sounds like right it came out of that
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magic kennedy stream i'm i'm irish catholic and when and i when i sat around my grandmother god rest
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her soul's table with my grandfather in brooklyn they had uh jesus bobby kennedy and john kennedy on
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the wall that was the order in which like you know you thought about the the world as a framing and
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and irish people stay up late into the night we might have a libation uh in a vessel of any kind and we
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we talk and we make people laugh and and i'm also greek and i grew up in the restaurant business and
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so my superpower is talking and you know i think he's got that superpower irish people will sit there
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and they'll orate they'll tell stories they'll you know try to make each other laugh to try to make
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each other thing i think that's like the kennedy superpower in a way you know and you were on this
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early trump's a insult comic you know audience work comic at his core and i grew up in new york so i
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kind of watched it in person so my view of trump is the 80s and 90s early 2000s trump before apprentice
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which i would put as the howard stern new york post trump and he learned this technique from howard
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stern he was obsessed with stern and stern was the peak communicator in that period as you probably
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remember even being in california and he would go on that show and there's a key moment um where he
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said there's and it's in the movie where the the produce the the the the guy who's working at nbc
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who has to deal with howard stern is like howard uh why are they listening to him and they say oh well
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his fans are listening for 74 minutes and they're like 74 minutes in the morning commute that's
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longer than people's commute what's why are they listening and they said they want to see what he
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says next he said okay tell me about the haters tell me about the people who absolutely hate him
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and they're like yeah they listen for 92 minutes he's like loses his mind what why do the people hate him
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listen to him for 20 minutes number one reason given they want to see what he's going to say next
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you know this is one of the things i say about trump is that he brought a a talent stack to the
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job that we haven't seen before and people sort of dismiss oh he's like this tv actor bs guy you know
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like that isn't vital to being a politician i mean it's the most powerful thing he has and it got
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dismissed early on as the not important part yeah i i do wonder if like sometimes what your greatest
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skill is is also you know like in any superhero movie uh your greatest weakness at times and i i
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think he's gonna lose i'm sorry to the i know mags gonna lose their minds right now i think he's heading
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towards a loss right now um because and i'm curious what you think um i think he needs to be trump 2.0 or
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what people were calling um all in trump i don't know if you saw him when he was on our pod but i think
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he matches uh and you know i was a psychology major by the way it's one of the reasons i have an
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affinity for what you do um i think you know the concept of pacing you know uh and so he will pace
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with whoever he's with and then he mirrors them and you obviously know about mirror neurons and i'm
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sure they are some of the audience know so when he was on our pod and i start talking to him i was
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getting hypnotized by him you can see it because i'm i'm going and i i couldn't understand why chamath i
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mean and even sax i couldn't understand why these guys flipped to trump they were never trumpers you can
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listen to the early episodes of the pod they were like sax was like january 6th is disqualifying he
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can never be president he's not my preferred candidate and sax tried on desantis rfk vivek
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and then trump like i he literally i think held fundraisers for each of those i know he did
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desantis and i know he did rfk so you know you had you know sax doing and i get it now you know he will
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pace with you he'll mirror you and i was like i have two questions i need to i have like two or
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three questions i need to get in there now i'm only 25 of the pod even if although i'm the executive
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producer for life and moderator i still can't monopolize it so it's like how do i use my questions and my
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strategy was i i'm gonna wear a suit i'm gonna wear a tie and i'm gonna mirror him and so i went in
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and i said i'm going to mirror mr trump and i oh president trump i apologize so at some point during
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the pod i called him mr up and i said i'm sorry president trump i made the mistake on purpose
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because i wanted to connect and i wanted him to answer my question about abortion and i wanted him to
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answer my question about january 6th i didn't get to january 6th but i did get the abortion one
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and that one went viral and is now the canonical answer when people say isn't trump for a national
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ban and i and i made him i i three times i went back to him so the the way to handle trump in an
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interview is to pace him respect him and then he will not answer your question on the first two tries
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but he will on the third he's he's cognizant enough of the dynamic in an interview that he knows this
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is what a genius he is on a media and communication spaces he knows this person's been respectful to me
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they're asking for the third time i got to give him something i got to give him something he's an
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entertainer he's got to give me something and i did it to him twice i got him to know abortion and
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i got him to answer about uh green cards now it seems to me that he's always been forthcoming
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about his opinion though yeah you felt you have to drag it out of him uh yeah so it's more nuanced
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um it's a great question he will take your question answer a little bit of it he will then
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do crowd work he will then pick a tangent to go on again back to howard stern what will he say next
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so he will specifically give you a little taste of an answer and then you know kind of go off
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hannibal lecter crowd size you know getting shot whatever and by the way that was incredible move
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on your part to do the live stream i found out about trump being shot on my peloton treadmill
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through a locals notification and uh and a youtube notification putting that aside
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he will meander uh and he'll go for three or four minutes so the problem is when he goes into a
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hostile environment the huge mistake the woman at the black journalist conference made cnn has made
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is they try to fact check him in real time and attack him you said this you said that it's like
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he says everything he says every permutation of an answer you could find an answer that agrees with
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you in a trump speech you could find the two minutes later the one that disagrees with you all that
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matters is are you listening the howard stern lesson right he doesn't care what the position is he cares
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you're paying attention to no no that's that's not what i see now you're you're you're aware of the you
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know the uh two movies on one screen of course a rashomon would be the you you explain it to people
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that we all see a different movie but i know you know this is akira kurosawa and the movie rashomon
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where there's a sexual assault that occurs and everybody tells the story from three different
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positions but you dumb it down for your audience so one of the things i've noticed is that the
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smartest most reasonable people are starting to move toward trump i mean and it seems very clear
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you know people on your pod for example now so so the question that i have is what would be the
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biggest issue that would prevent you from saying you know what trump should be the better choice this
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time he might be that he might actually be the better choice but what's your top
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one or two things that are preventing you from saying that yeah sure um i think character matters
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and i think uh there i have some character issues with him uh i believe like uh january 6th was i know you
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have said it's a hoax and we'll talk about your use of the word hoax very very very clever because you say
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january 6th insurrection hoax hoax by the 50th time you actually get people to believe it's a hoax
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even though they've seen police officers beaten even though the oath keepers brought all those guns to
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the hotels near it but you have convinced people it's a hoax hold on let's let's talk about january 6th
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i have some questions for you go ahead what percentage of the protesters were violent do you think
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i would say there were i believe there were low thousands i've seen reports of 2500 to 10 000 so
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let's just call it 5000 we'll pick a number wait you believe that of the 5 000 i would say um
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according to the number of people who've been it's basically 800 to 1200 people who have been indicted
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and or you know uh not for violence so not for violence right there's vandalism in there too so
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i would say it's low hundreds probably 200 maybe of that you think you think hundreds of people were
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violent yeah i would say it's probably yeah low low hundreds and i would include in violence like
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spraying bear spray um i don't know breaking through a barricade would you agree that breaking
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a barricade would be violent or would we not count that is it only violence towards another human
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uh well if you're talking about the fencing there's some ambiguity about who exactly was removing the
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the barricades in that case both there are people who remove the barricades and there are barricades
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that are torn down so it's both yes sorry to be sorry to be nuanced scott but the truth is i would
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say 90 high 90 percent were peaceful uh and i i put it into three boxes so so high 90 is peaceful another
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group were opportunistically violent and some were planned violence right
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okay and i've heard that the number was as high as 20 000 is 5 000 the number you've heard i was
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literally on the wikipedia page the other day and they said you know something like three or four
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thousand people entered the capital so now we have another nuance there's enter the capital and who
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are outside but i think we would both agree that the overwhelming were peaceful yeah so i i think let's
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say 20 000 were involved but didn't enter okay uh i think somewhere in the neighborhood of one percent
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were uh people that we would both say you shouldn't have done that you should go to jail if you did that
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would you agree i would agree that beating a cop or spraying pepper on them they should not have done
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that i mean you're a you're a normal human being on planet earth so i think we all right so so the beatings and
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the violence are sort of the shiny object that it's hard for us to look away but it wouldn't be fair
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to say that uh let's say black lives matter or even the palestinian protesters would you judge them by
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the few who are violent or by the 98 or 90 who had a completely different intention i would judge each
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group individually right so which group do you think more is associated with trump's point of view
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the the peaceful ones because he did ask for peace or do you think that the violent ones were doing
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what he wanted them to do yeah i believe trump is an expert at going right to the line and then
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pulling back so you know he does it with race he does it with gender he does it with violence he does
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it with crimes you know it would and it's just like you know i think michael cohen who listen i mean
00:27:16.400
obviously he's he's he's as much part of uh like you know the criminal element as anybody else but
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you know he explained it like a mafia boss would be like hey it'd be terrible if something happened
00:27:26.960
or it'd be good if that went away if you watch the sopranos the boss never says kill that guy
00:27:31.360
said you know that guy's gotta go that guy's gotta go is how you would phrase it right but let me ask you
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specifically do you think trump was in favor of was he happy with any violence that happened
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responsibly well that's what i wanted to ask him actually because what i wanted to ask him was
00:28:47.120
will you can stop it stop it what you're marrying me put your hand down
00:28:54.640
scott's like wait a second yeah oh did i wear glasses today
00:29:01.680
good try good try i know it's like it's literally like two jedi knights trying to
00:29:07.920
get inside each other's brains but no i think it's a good question um three i think that trump
00:29:13.920
do i think trump wanted them to hang mike pence no do i think trump wanted them to go down there and cause
00:29:19.360
chaos um and do i think he has a higher responsibility as the president of the united states
00:29:23.520
to not go near that line yes do i let me hold on does that make sense do you think he has a higher
00:29:30.400
do you think he has a higher moral obligation as president than a normal higher moral obligation to
00:29:36.720
avoid um danger to avoid knowing his words could be misconstrued by the small percentage of his
00:29:44.080
audience who are very activated do you think he has a higher just like you do in terms of great
00:29:49.440
power has great responsibility you just told me before great powers great responsibility do you
00:29:52.560
think that applies to trump yeah he has a greater responsibility but not greater moral authority
00:29:58.880
because none of us should be in favor of violence yeah it's pretty obvious right so would you have said
00:30:04.080
that would you have said on jack would you have said on january 6 you got to fight like hell if
00:30:08.080
that you had been the warm-up speaker would you tell them go down there and fight like hell
00:30:11.920
um i might if i had thought in terms of protest was fight like hell if my mental model was we're
00:30:21.280
really going to fight against this that's what everybody says in politics so if you if they had
00:30:27.120
not been violent nobody would have ever noticed he said that because politicians say it all the time
00:30:33.200
so look but let me ask this specific question sure of the of the 98 who are non-violent
00:30:39.120
what do you think they were trying to accomplish what what was their goal and what was trump's goal
00:30:44.560
it's stated so we know what it was what what do you think people at their word um they wanted mike
00:30:51.920
pence i think a portion of them wanted mike pence to not certify the election they wanted to push that
00:30:56.320
out and not certify the election why why but why they felt that it was stolen from them was the
00:31:02.480
state of reason now if they wanted to actually even had a really good slogan stop right now so
00:31:08.960
the frame on this that i think uh affects everybody is if you start with the idea that they were trying
00:31:14.960
to protect the public and protect the republic by making sure that the election had not been stolen
00:31:22.080
which is what it looked like to all of them and still does by the way they haven't changed their mind
00:31:26.640
that it looked like it was stolen now i would agree that no court has demonstrated anything was stolen
00:31:33.040
so we don't have that you always give that disclaimer yeah yeah we always you need to say
00:31:37.440
that because that's just the fact and then right after that you say all systems can be hacked so
00:31:41.520
obviously you know i'm not saying it's stolen but you would you agree that all systems can be hacked
00:31:46.320
but let me let me just drill down in the system if you knew that their intentions both trump's and the
00:31:52.560
peaceful people at least was to make sure that the republic was protected but things went wrong
00:32:00.480
how do you feel about that yeah so that's an interesting framing if that was the case
00:32:04.560
uh then trump i would i would have great respect for trump and yourself to come out and say what
00:32:10.800
happened that day was abhorrent it should never happen that we all say that he says they're heroes
00:32:16.480
and he says they're heroes and he will not the violent ones not the violent ones but he says
00:32:21.120
the people who are there were heroes and that he will right he doesn't do the nuance and he
00:32:25.680
understands what he's doing remember i said he's like a mob boss so he understands the nuance and
00:32:29.600
what he's doing he's he's dog whistling to the people who will not separate and have nuance like
00:32:34.160
we're having here today so this is where i think he needs hold on hold on be specific what would be to
00:32:40.640
his advantage to be backing anybody who was violent how would that be his advantage that's that's
00:32:46.400
absolutely not his advantage and he would know that um no i think it actually the the threat of
00:32:52.560
violence is a huge advantage to him um i think having a passionate base is why he wins the primaries
00:32:58.400
having that incredibly passionate base that will go to war for him
00:33:03.280
hold on when you say passion passion's okay passion's okay and then when he says oath keepers you know
00:33:09.520
hey stand by like he kind of knows what he's doing here that's a group of people who are ex-military
00:33:14.960
the old keepers proud boys and the three percenters we'll put them all in the group of
00:33:18.160
the only ones proud boys are the only ones he said that about you right but you can put in this group
00:33:24.240
proud boys oath keepers and three percenters are all part of a group of militias military individuals
00:33:30.000
who are very passionate and who will bring large caches of guns to the city where trump tells them to
00:33:36.800
because they did and so this is where trump could be nuanced and i think he would win the election if
00:33:41.200
he took my advice here so if you'll give me permission to give you the strategy to win the
00:33:45.360
same way you have taught trump how to win i will tell you how trump can win right now he's got a
00:33:49.680
large group of moderates who are absolutely disgusted by what happened on january 6th and then he's got
00:33:55.680
folks like you or david sachs diminishing what happened there and you're trying to diminish it right
00:34:00.640
here in this conversation with me hold on no that's that that that's mind reading okay i will say i feel
00:34:07.040
my interpretation as a moderate and i and when i talk to moderates they feel what you're doing is
00:34:13.120
trying to diminish it that's how we interpret what you're doing so now take that for what it is we
00:34:17.680
could be wrong but that's how we interpret it got it we interpret that sachs is taking an episode where
00:34:24.480
police and i come from a family of law enforcement when a family in law enforcement or the military or
00:34:30.080
people who believe in law and order which is the majority of the country see you guys diminishing or we
00:34:35.040
believe you're diminishing what happened that day we say you know what we believe this could happen
00:34:40.160
again because you won't even take any amount of ownership of it and trump certainly won't take
00:34:44.640
ownership of it if trump came out and he said listen i want to talk about january 6th and he did what
00:34:50.080
he's doing on abortion right now which is a master class a master class uh in terms of working both
00:34:57.040
sides he could work both sides of the january 6th issue what he's got to do is say listen given a lot of
00:35:02.000
thought to january 6th i know some of you have a problem with it i want to address it today
00:35:06.080
number one what those violent people did they should get the books thrown at them
00:35:09.920
number two the people who weren't violent we should give them a speeding ticket and let them out but i
00:35:14.560
am promising you now none of this will ever happen again and when i told people hey you know to go down
00:35:19.920
there and fight like hell i understand some people misinterpreted that and i am now in my playbook
00:35:24.800
going to be really careful about the fact and be really thoughtful about the fact that there are some people
00:35:29.280
who are either mentally ill or so angry about politics that they might actually do something
00:35:34.240
you know abhorrent and i just want to assure everybody everybody all americans that this will
00:35:40.000
never happen again on my watch and i'm not taking ownership of it people are responsible for their
00:35:44.800
individual behavior but we're moving to a strictly non-violent everybody's going to sing kumbaya
00:35:50.720
bring your guitars and we're going to do sit-ins like the 60s i don't want to ever hear violence again
00:35:54.480
and if he said something like that and if you said something like that and you stopped calling
00:35:58.960
january 6th a hoax you would actually win the moderates who are going to determine the election
00:36:03.760
the same way trump is almost winning women who are now believing him when he says you know
00:36:11.200
yeah let me say where you want to win or do you want to be persuasive and and pander to your
00:36:17.600
imago audience is what you have to ask yourself scott interesting the the thing i'm diminishing is the
00:36:22.320
hoax part not the violence but your point is well taken so let me let me do what you said good uh
00:36:29.040
i usually say nobody is in favor of the violence we all agree on that so i always dismiss it as the
00:36:35.440
thing that we're all agreed on so we don't need to talk about it yeah but if it would be better for
00:36:40.720
people who are listening to feel what the you know the inner feelings are uh it was 100 unproductive
00:36:48.400
to be violent there was no way it could have led to anything good it was nothing but destruction and
00:36:54.480
chaos so i would be 100 against any kind of violence against the capital or anybody who's working
00:37:01.200
officially in any way and they absolutely should be in jail now that happens to be the opinion of
00:37:07.120
pretty much every republican but you're right we don't say it you know the reason the reason we don't
00:37:12.320
say it is we don't want to feed into the hoax but you know you don't want to say something that
00:37:16.800
could be taken out of context it's like well even adam says it was an insurrection look at him here's
00:37:21.440
this clip so but you but your point is well taken that uh i believe that i would agree with you that
00:37:29.280
if trump was explicitly clear that the violent parts could never happen again and that he maybe wishes
00:37:36.560
he had said it differently uh that would make a difference well and look at the comments here if
00:37:42.720
you look at the comments everybody's saying i have tds right and so this is the insult this is
00:37:47.680
also where like i think the right is going to lose the election when you diminish thoughtful people and
00:37:54.800
just tell them they have tds and that they're not actually thinking this through you shut down the
00:37:59.440
argument now it could be true that people have tds they and it could be true that trump people have
00:38:05.360
kamala or biden or democratic you know derangement syndrome but you know this these discussions that
00:38:11.440
we've gotten to now abortion in january 6th and the border are very nuanced actually and if you can
00:38:17.040
and that's what i try to do on all in pod and i think it's the reason why it's the number one podcast
00:38:20.560
in the world is because it's opened up this opportunity for nuance now sometimes we get into it
00:38:26.720
but nuance is important and if you look at abortion you parallel my what he did with abortion he bragged
00:38:34.800
he he told everybody evangelicals who needed to win that first nomination i'm going to stack
00:38:41.120
two or three people on the supreme court and i'm going to overturn roe v wade for you
00:38:45.520
he told them that then he did it then he bragged about it i did it for you nobody could ever do it
00:38:52.800
it's a beautiful thing then a year later after literally bragging i alone did that i take ownership
00:39:01.840
of it and it was a beautiful thing he said you know what this week he said i think six weeks a little
00:39:06.400
too short we probably want to get that a little number up a little bit we want women to have a little
00:39:09.680
more choice don't we and by the way ivf is a beautiful thing i think i should pay for ivf
00:39:14.320
ivf is like one of the most expensive procedures in the world i have a friend who spent a quarter
00:39:18.800
million dollars to have two kids and like you know a half dozen miscarriages it is unbelievably
00:39:25.440
torturous for a couple to go through it and unbelievably expensive look at what he did there
00:39:30.880
he's able to at the same time take ownership of overturning roe v way which 80 of the country did
00:39:40.000
not want and then he's not losing any mega votes by saying you know what you gotta have more than six
00:39:46.640
weeks when you want to kill a baby no he doesn't say kill a baby no actually i i am hearing people
00:39:51.600
who are bailing out he at least people are saying that they're that he lost their vote i'm not sure
00:39:56.800
i believe it right you think they're gonna go click kamala yeah the people you think you're a minute the
00:40:03.040
person who is pro-life who wants a national abortion ban is going to vote for a black woman who's a
00:40:09.760
socialist not happening so i i think uh that's his genius i i think that the trump could take it to
00:40:18.800
a level that is incredible if he frames it as getting him out of the conversation
00:40:28.160
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00:40:44.960
and the the response is would do you want me to make your personal health care choices i just took
00:40:49.680
the federal government completely out of it women are the majority in every state and and you've
00:40:55.360
already got half the men on your side all you need is to convince the women and you can have any
00:40:59.840
government you want that's how our system works it is the ultimate gaslighting it is a gaslighting
00:41:05.520
is gaslighting level 1000 it is the what's the gaslighting what's the gaslighting is to say
00:41:13.680
i alone i will i will do how hard it is to change the supreme court the supreme court as you've talked
00:41:21.200
about on this very program wouldn't you agree well no that's just luck and you just happen to be there
00:41:25.200
at the right time okay it's luck but he also luckily picked people who have the chutzpah
00:41:32.960
the wherewithal to overturn roe v wade even most conservatives know enough to say including
00:41:39.920
yourself let's leave that alone it's a woman's body women have long memories women are going to
00:41:46.320
remember this and 80 of the country doesn't want to touch it 99 of politicians wouldn't go near it he had
00:41:55.120
the vision to say if i get those lunatic evangelicals they vote in primaries i can beat the establishment
00:42:03.760
i could beat mit romney i could beat any republican if i get them hey that was so genius did you just
00:42:10.400
call them lunatics what did you call them weird i mean i think religious people i i think religious
00:42:19.680
people are a little bit much i i'm an atheist i'm an agnostic there's something there's some higher
00:42:25.600
power out there but i you know when i see religious people like basing their decisions on a book that
00:42:31.920
was written 2000 years ago that's been kind of edited to death not exactly my operating system so i i'm a
00:42:38.720
non-believer but uh what i've discovered is that the republicans who live by code in other words they have a
00:42:46.080
set of rules it's like okay i got my bible i got my constitution i'm kind of done like if i just if
00:42:53.440
i just adhere to these i'm going to be a good citizen pay my taxes and my kids are going to come out
00:42:58.560
pretty well they are completely right about that i'm a big fan of the constitution these days i well
00:43:05.680
let me go further i'm a big fan of the religious uh people in this country even though i don't have
00:43:11.440
exactly the same view it's a good way to live i mean i think the science science supports them
00:43:17.840
they're nice to have tradition the correlation is actually yeah you know because correlation
00:43:22.960
causation as you know very well um the the correlation is community and this is why i'm
00:43:29.520
a little worried about you scott um uh back to the truman show and what we're watching happened to
00:43:34.160
scott adams over the last couple years um people need community and community makes you live longer and
00:43:39.280
gives you purpose right and laughing and socializing and um i think the you know praying in church is
00:43:46.720
one thing but i think the pie after church and going out to the backyard and hanging out that's actually
00:43:51.600
the magic sauce yeah um is the community aspect of it and then meeting people and having that social
00:43:57.680
fabric to give you something to live for it's a system it's a system that works yes your force it's
00:44:04.160
like you going to starbucks every day it forces you to not just have this online community of us
00:44:09.120
on locals but you have to interact and once in a while somebody recognizes you which i know as a
00:44:14.800
micro celebrity as well somebody recognizes you and they say i really appreciate dilbert
00:44:20.240
battery gets filled right you and i are of the exact perfect level of fame which is 99 of
00:44:27.280
people don't know us but one out of a hundred recognize us and it just fills your heart with joy when
00:44:31.920
they say like i have your calendar or i watch the all-in pod like i get stopped you know once or
00:44:38.320
twice that's perfect elon gets stopped by 100 of people so it's impossible to have dinner now but
00:44:47.040
let me bring you back to a couple okay sure you want me to vote for trump no but but now that i've
00:44:51.440
heard your description of january 6 yeah uh yeah i have confidence that there's nothing unusual about
00:44:58.960
that uh understanding that you that you understand it factually as well as the motivations of the
00:45:05.200
people that's all i ask yeah and and and with abortion you're also understanding that it's being
00:45:11.760
tossed to the states and at the moment people are not getting what they want everywhere but over time
00:45:16.720
they should it's a better system i actually think you might we might look back on moving it back to the
00:45:22.480
states um as the way we resolve the issue so i i said independent of trump at one point on the pod i
00:45:30.960
have to go look it up we have a new database that we're indexed the whole thing which we should get
00:45:35.520
for you i have a company i invested in that indexes your entire archive and then makes a full search ai
00:45:41.280
index so i'll do it for your archive if you want i would love that yeah yeah because then you could ask
00:45:45.520
a question like when did scott you know talk about covet for the first time when did he talk about
00:45:50.240
whatever um and so what would be very uh what i had said was you know i wonder if in this great
00:46:00.160
operating system we have where we have 50 test beds we have 50 ways of testing things if we actually
00:46:06.560
moved it down to the test bed we could actually get to what would be truth um and in europe the eu is
00:46:14.320
essentially like the united states in that way you have this collection of states and when we
00:46:19.760
actually double clicked on it when roe v way was being overturned and sacks was shocked by it by the
00:46:24.080
way you know he he did not want it overturned even though he thought it was bad law he was like don't
00:46:28.000
touch that he was smart enough to know like 80 of people don't want this like probably don't want to
00:46:34.480
do that but we might look at it as like a very brave stance in the future um and that we get to a
00:46:40.160
number of weeks that's palatable for both sides because and that's such an uncomfortable discussion
00:46:46.320
at what number of weeks are you willing to kill a baby is how it's framed right so how do you frame
00:46:52.160
that part of the discussion yeah you've heard my take a million times probably which is
00:46:57.200
that uh i think the people who have given that there's no way to solve uh abortions for everybody's
00:47:03.200
happening and it's life and death you know in both cases the mother as well as the child
00:47:09.040
so when you've got life and death and you know for sure you're not going to get you know a 90 agreement
00:47:14.480
your best case scenario is that the way it's decided looks credible to the losers the people
00:47:20.480
on the wrong side of it and if you can get down to the state and it was really voters wanted etc that's
00:47:26.800
better but even better than that you and i should just stay the out of it because we're guys
00:47:33.760
amen amen you've had you've had a serious you've had serial long-term relationships with women
00:47:40.160
you may have learned along the way that yeah they they might want some autonomy and to be respected
00:47:45.840
and make their own decisions on certain issues and this would be the like one of the ultimate ones uh
00:47:50.960
in my experiences like yeah so i'm with you on that but you know this is just this is just you
00:47:56.720
on the other foot business right if men were the only ones who had babies i would not listen to any
00:48:02.160
woman's opinion about it and and i would i would give them the same courtesy it's like you guys figure
00:48:07.600
it out you guys figure it out and then let us know yeah how about women deciding on circumcision i
00:48:13.760
think we can make our own decision if circumcision was an adult decision like if you weren't allowed to
00:48:18.640
to circumcise kids under the age of 18 which actually is an interesting thought process maybe
00:48:22.320
that should be the rule uh because it is mutilation maybe men should be able to make that decision for
00:48:27.440
themselves when they're of age i actually just thought about that for the first time um maybe that
00:48:32.000
shouldn't be a parental decision mutilation of generals no tax on tips no tax on tips
00:48:40.320
that's all i got for that that's what i got thank you for coming people try the veal and take
00:48:44.960
care of your servers scott will be here for three thousand more episodes are you exhausted from
00:48:50.240
doing this how do you do it how do you i mean you're on time you do the 7 a.m you do the pre-show
00:48:57.520
you do the man cave you do a micro lesson by the way i bought micro the second i heard you say
00:49:02.880
micro lessons i was like brilliant and i bought the domain name micro lessons.com
00:49:06.320
did you three thousand dollars so i was like somebody's making that into a business
00:49:11.440
and you can have it i'll give it to you if you want it but i think micro lessons is just such
00:49:15.360
a brilliant idea like it's almost like tick tock before for education it's such a smart idea
00:49:20.080
it's something you can learn while you're doing number two in the bathroom that's sort of been my
00:49:24.640
guiding principle same duration yes yeah i mean everybody needs you know what they say about great art
00:49:29.520
it's about constraint um uh so yeah exactly yeah well i mean if you think about trying to make people
00:49:38.880
laugh in three panes and set something up um that is the ultimate constraint right so but to answer your
00:49:44.960
question um i'm at that point in life where i only do things that energize me so if i if i spend even one
00:49:52.880
minute doing this and not liking it i'd make it short or i wouldn't do it so i only do the things that
00:49:58.480
that fill me so doing the comic now when i don't have newspaper editors telling me you can't do that
00:50:05.120
joke is a whole different creative process it's just so energizing not like anything i've experienced in
00:50:12.160
the past so i'm in kind of the ideal career situation where it's just a just the fun part i guess well you
00:50:20.160
know um having the fu money as one layer and then also having like being on the back nine
00:50:28.240
and knowing like there's a certain amount of time left no f's given and i i think like
00:50:33.680
you you you know before you got canceled you kind of predicted it was going to happen like you were
00:50:39.040
like i'm going to get canceled at some point doing this oh yeah it's inevitability i'm talking for
00:50:44.000
three hours a day i'm going to say something they're going to cancel me and i always joke with
00:50:48.080
my kids i have a joke with my daughters um of like i'm going to get canceled because of the pods
00:50:54.000
and when i do instead of skiing 30 or 40 days a year i'm going to ski 50 or 60 and it's going to
00:50:58.640
be awesome so i'm trying to get canceled so we do my we when i'm in the car we do almost canceled and
00:51:04.960
i do the first part of a sentence and then i do the second part so i say um i think insert you know a
00:51:13.840
press group here i i think these people i don't think they're good dot dot dot i think they're
00:51:20.640
great yeah i think they're great and so they all like you can't say that dad and then i go i think
00:51:26.240
they're great we just laugh about the nature of being but you're like i think the last one you were
00:51:32.000
the guy you got canceled and you pulled up the drawbridge behind you last one canceled well i hope
00:51:38.000
so we'll see you know i was thinking if if x didn't exist yeah i would have no second act
00:51:45.520
it was entirely based on x you know it is um you know you there is a it's a joke we have internally
00:51:54.640
you know the price of free speech what 44 billion
00:51:58.800
yeah and counting and counting you can put a price on it actually 44 billion and you probably
00:52:09.840
can't go to france anymore you get picked up you can't go to france oh my god or or so i mean it's
00:52:16.400
so uh let me uh let me see if we can uh wrap this up for uh my my viewers oh they're having a party in
00:52:24.320
the comments by the way yeah they're they're having i'm monitoring them they're having all
00:52:29.120
kinds of fun there all right so if you had to pick and you had to vote and your only choices are the
00:52:36.400
ones that are given okay and you're thinking damn it this isn't ideal for me but i gotta make a choice
00:52:45.120
pull the lever what's it going to be jason rfk rfk of course come on you get him for free
00:52:52.480
i'll be i'll be completely candid i i have been waiting to understand the democratic ticket right
00:53:01.280
in order to make a choice you have to understand where everybody's coming from and part of
00:53:05.520
understanding where everybody's coming from is seeing who uh trump would pick as his running
00:53:10.480
mate um understanding their positions how things have changed how they've evolved since the first term
00:53:16.080
etc and i'm i'm pleased with some of the things that you know i hate the insult comic
00:53:22.320
race-baiting part of trump but i don't know all this position i think she's a socialist and a
00:53:27.600
communist so you're if you ask me who i could vote for a social a communist or a lunatic i might take
00:53:35.920
the lunatic i might take the chance of another january 6 going worse uh let me over the communist
00:53:42.960
let me test you this frame great trump 1.0 the 2016 trump by his own confession didn't know who
00:53:51.200
to hire didn't have access to the right people yeah trump 2024 has a vague a jd vance and elon musk
00:54:01.440
and rfk jr and nicole shanahan and me yeah and and at least half of your podcast the most the most
00:54:11.680
watched one in the world i hear precisely and that's not normal that's not normal that that's
00:54:17.280
what i call the pirate ship the people who might have all kinds of things not in common yeah but say
00:54:22.720
you know what there is a certain way to do things right they're all systems people yeah if you look
00:54:28.400
at rfk jr he's not about a goal give reparations you know that's sort of a goal yeah he's like we
00:54:34.880
need to change the way we approve things the way the the way you know our uh regulators are captured
00:54:41.440
these are pure systems things vivek pure systems guy um musk wants to look at you know maybe reducing
00:54:50.000
the government that's a systems approach if he's good at it too yeah if 85 less than twitter if you
00:54:58.080
can give me a you give me a president who can deliver that pirate ship yeah of people who have
00:55:03.680
extraordinary talents they're system-based they're pure patriots by the way how much lying did you see
00:55:11.360
from rfk jr none nicole jenny none vivek none you know i mean this is not even common in any kind of
00:55:20.720
political uh experience so i think that trump might have if you look at the package yeah the strongest
00:55:29.360
the strongest presidency we've ever had it's an interesting framing um he has um i like the pirate
00:55:37.840
framing he does have like the outsiders now and he's bringing them inside picking jd probably um
00:55:44.880
a mistake in hindsight given the hot swap which obviously i predicted um so i have my scott adams
00:55:51.280
moment where i predicted that would happen um so you know i think in the case of going up against
00:55:57.440
biden it doesn't matter who the vp is he's up 10 15 20 points i mean you're up against somebody who's
00:56:02.160
in cognitive decline clearly nobody's voting for somebody in cognitive decline if now
00:56:07.840
you know it looks like he should have picked nikki hailey and gotten all those moderates and women
00:56:13.200
he would definitely have been further ahead no no no no no that one moderates love nikki hailey
00:56:19.200
no nikki wouldn't have worked for the base it wouldn't work for the base but you think they
00:56:23.360
would have voted for kamala and waltz over trump hailey no they would have just oh that's a good point
00:56:29.840
yeah yeah but but they wouldn't want what they got so there's that's the problem
00:56:34.560
all right so you pick i'm going to watch the debates then i'm going to make a decision and
00:56:40.560
i'll be public about it yeah um i you know if you when i list i listed on uh my like eight issues that
00:56:46.960
i care about um trump checks off more than kamala right now so but if but if the debate happened and
00:56:54.240
kamala made a real good argument for communism you might go for it of course i mean can't vote
00:56:59.440
for a communist i mean socialism and communism i think you know the problem with socialism is it
00:57:05.040
just leads to communism like by default and you know like it was the socialist party in germany
00:57:11.040
they didn't call it the communist party but you can see where it goes you know once people start
00:57:16.000
seizing people's assets once they start limiting their speech once they take their weapons like it's a
00:57:21.840
very weird operating system here number one freedom number two guns i mean as i tell people
00:57:27.680
like if you don't like that operating system you need to move because they put them one and two for
00:57:32.480
a reason you can go further down the amendments and like maybe change some on the margins you're not
00:57:37.360
changing those two not happening in our lifetime or a kid so just accept it i got guns i got a gun
00:57:42.640
range on my ranch here in texas my daughters know how to fire guns somebody hops the fence
00:57:46.480
you know good luck yeah exactly like uh it's not changing in america and so you know the the
00:57:54.320
thing i think friedberg has said in our pod a lot that you know is very important to me is
00:57:59.520
the last two administrations spent like drunken sailors and at some point you gotta stop
00:58:04.320
spending money um you gotta make the machine smaller and more efficient and this is why
00:58:09.200
as annoying and abrasive as vivek is to people um he to me would have been the best vice president
00:58:17.200
candidate i think he just shines a little too bright both kamala and trump didn't want somebody
00:58:23.680
who shines too bright in that second position i think is the logic that they chose their vps with
00:58:28.880
but i think shapiro versus vivek can you imagine shapiro vivek vp debate you'd be like why can't these
00:58:35.280
be the presidents like vivek would go in there he said the best thing he ever said was yeah i mean
00:58:40.400
if your birthday is an odd date you're fired if your birthday is an even date you can stay or he might
00:58:45.600
have done it by vocabulary basically we're going to randomly cut half the people in this organization
00:58:50.400
and get this smaller that's actually the most existential thing the border it needs to be closed
00:58:56.560
abortion needs to be legal with some you know constraints like we all know what has to be done
00:59:03.440
if we don't stop adding to this debt it's existential ask look at any of your friends
00:59:10.720
look at all your friends who overspend you know you have that friend in your family who stretches
00:59:14.480
and buys like the house on an arm mortgage and then they get two mercedes and you're like but you're
00:59:19.360
a teacher and a lawyer like how do you afford this i don't have that and then they go bankrupt like
00:59:24.720
that's our country we can do it in my estimation we can do it for we can do it between two and three
00:59:30.160
more times we can put eight trillion which is what trump and biden did they're equally drunken
00:59:35.280
sailors there's no debate about that you can take a partisan approach truth is they're drunken sailors
00:59:41.680
we have to have somebody who's sober and you just can't win doing that and that's why i think maybe
00:59:47.200
trump has a modest advantage in that way because vivek yulon and a lot of folks on are on his pirate
00:59:53.840
team as you call it they they actually understand this issue we can do it for one or two more terms
01:00:01.120
definitely can't do it for a third claudia was leaving for her pickleball tournament i've been
01:00:05.040
visualizing my match all week she was so focused on visualizing that she didn't see the column behind
01:00:10.560
her car on her backhand side good thing claudia's with intact the insurer with the largest network of
01:00:17.040
auto service centers in the country everything was taken care of under one roof and she was on her
01:00:21.680
way in a rental car in no time i made it to my tournament and lost in the first round but you
01:00:27.520
got there on time intact insurance your auto service ace certain conditions apply well i think that's a
01:00:35.360
that's a good summary um i i got some other stuff i need to talk to yes i will be tuning in uh it's uh
01:00:42.640
an honor to be here oh and just on the the scott adams um uh uh truman show thing uh before i left i was
01:00:51.040
going to reach out to you because i was going to tell you listen let's get a pickleball game going
01:00:54.720
here you need human socialization scott this i understand you love talking to everybody in the
01:01:00.800
man cave i understand this is like a great community you just need to have eight people over i know it's
01:01:05.360
hard because people can't get along but sax and i get along we still have dinner we still like great
01:01:10.320
best friends and everything we need like seven people in the east bay to play pickleball with scott
01:01:16.560
every saturday sunday let's get it going folks you cannot be alone in that giant incredible
01:01:22.720
dilbert house i got my dog it's great let's get a couple people in there okay and then maybe you get
01:01:28.880
on maybe you get on tinder you start swiping a little bit maybe we can make a little connection
01:01:33.200
there there's got to be some divorcee you can't go for another instagram model you got to get a divorcee
01:01:39.360
kids are in college you know 45 55 you know a little bit older you know no no more of these like
01:01:48.320
hot instagram models for you scott let's get like a little bit of a you know all right your your advice
01:01:53.440
is noted i'll change my life immediately just get a little bit more human interaction i i'm a huge fan
01:01:58.560
uh and uh can i just get my dog i i i'm six months away from being able to put a chip on my dog's
01:02:05.840
color she's she can just talk to me uh yeah exactly exactly i mean it does feel the neural
01:02:12.800
link stuff is very very real you know if you start thinking about the exponential nature of technology
01:02:18.560
which you understand very well having uh lampooned it for decades um that's one thing that's very real
01:02:24.400
and you know you get one or two people using the chips and then all of a sudden it's 10 20 and then
01:02:29.840
it's a thousand two thousand and they're they're going to figure it out and it's going to be very
01:02:33.680
interesting when you and i are talking here and instead of asking questions you're talking
01:02:39.360
and it's pulling up all the fact checking we were doing like it's going to literally in the middle of
01:02:43.680
the screen will be some ai saying january 6 there were 4722 people according to this video camera at
01:02:49.600
the front of the building i just double checked it it's going to like literally give us the stats here
01:02:54.080
you know pretty pretty brave new world it's going to be interesting i hope we make it scott you and i
01:02:58.640
are older if we if we make it like another 30 years the change in the next 20 or 30 years is going
01:03:05.440
to make the change we saw look completely like stone age like we created fire in a wheel and then
01:03:11.840
everything from this point forward it's going to be mind-blowing yeah yeah i i feel like i'm in this uh
01:03:17.280
this weird generation that was uh pre-computers and and and i'm also going to experience post ai
01:03:24.480
like that's the full trip right there uh it is it's i'm i'm part of the group where i got my first pc
01:03:33.120
junior as 13 years old in 1983 and yeah we were the first online generation like we remember before
01:03:40.160
online and we remember aol and now you've got this whole generations that well they know there's a whole
01:03:45.760
generation that you know doesn't remember a time before these that's really weird really weird all
01:03:51.200
right i'll let you get the rest of the docket thank you all right see you soon sippers all right
01:04:01.280
all right ladies and gentlemen hope you enjoyed that uh i got some more stuff to talk about if
01:04:06.480
you want to stay around it's it's labor day you got nothing else to do let's do this all right a few
01:04:13.680
other things uh did you see the mark cuban did a poll on x and he asked people who would they prefer
01:04:21.600
their children would be more like i'm paraphrasing but did they want their children to have the
01:04:27.920
character and persona of harris or of trump and trump got 75 of the vote
01:04:36.480
where was it two-thirds anyway trump won easily that people would rather have their children more like
01:04:42.480
trump and then they got funnier because mark uh complained that the poll might not be uh copacetic
01:04:52.480
and that there were too many uh anonymous people voting so it looks sketchy that's right mark cuban
01:05:00.320
complained that there wasn't voter id for the poll now does it get any better than that it does not
01:05:09.120
that is just funny i have nothing to say about it meanwhile uh robert reich uh according to jonathan
01:05:18.880
turley he's talking about reich wants uh foreign governments to censor silence american citizens and
01:05:24.960
maybe uh maybe arrest elon musk so i guess reich said this quote regulators around the world should
01:05:32.080
threaten musk with arrest if he doesn't stop disseminating lies and hate on x who gets to
01:05:39.520
to decide what the lies and the hate are that does he not understand how anything about free speech works
01:05:47.760
if if you get to decide what the lie and the hate is i don't have free speech well i guess that was
01:05:54.640
literally true in my case if somebody else got to decide what was a lie and what was hate
01:05:59.440
and then i got cancelled so uh no that's a that's a bad idea uh there's a reagan movie out i think it's
01:06:09.040
called reagan and uh would you be surprised isabella maria de luca is reporting this that the
01:06:17.120
critics gave it uh 18 so that's not very good only 18 liked it but 98 of the audience liked it
01:06:25.520
this is so typical the audience loved it the critics hated it it was about reagan is there
01:06:33.680
anything else you need to know basically they just voted for their politics it sounds like
01:06:40.720
um tim urban was commenting on uh uh ai chess he says we're more interested in a chess match between
01:06:48.480
grand masters you know human beings than between ais even though ai is way better he said he's noticing
01:06:55.360
the same thing with video and art once you realize it's made by ai you lose interest no matter how
01:07:00.720
good it is um and you will note that i've been saying this since the dawn of ai that if you're worried
01:07:10.560
about ai taking the job of artists then you don't understand art art is not about the art art is about
01:07:17.680
the artist it always is and always will be because it's a mating instinct reflex when you see that an
01:07:25.280
artist can do something impressive in any domain it signals that their genes are good for mating
01:07:32.000
they got something going on whatever it is they're funny they're musical they're strong whatever it is
01:07:39.120
so if your ai does that it doesn't doesn't trigger anything you go oh computers can do things that's it
01:07:46.880
there's no reason to even look at it after that so now i agree with tim it's uh i think human art will
01:07:53.520
continue because as that mating connection um there's a story in the bite there's some facebook
01:08:01.680
partner a separate company who is bragging about their app lets your phone's microphone listen to
01:08:07.520
what you're talking about so they can serve you ads and uh they say that they worked with
01:08:13.760
facebook and amazon and google amazon's denied it um we're not so sure about the others but didn't you
01:08:23.600
all know that you all knew that your phone listens to you and or your other devices too probably uh and
01:08:30.800
that it serves you ads based on what you're talking about you all knew that right have you yet had the
01:08:37.120
experience where it serves you an ad that you have not talked about not searched for and have done not
01:08:43.280
a single thing that would indicate you were interested and something really specific have you had that yet
01:08:50.720
i've had that a lot and i cannot figure that out is there something i do that suggests i would be ready to
01:08:59.520
have this very specific thing i care about but i've never mentioned it is it a coincidence it could be
01:09:06.240
confirmation bias right because you're thinking as you notice it it could be just reticular activation
01:09:11.840
so maybe you just notice it more but boy does it feel like they somehow know what you're thinking
01:09:18.240
now i don't think they have that technology but imagine the large language models they're looking for
01:09:24.240
patterns if they can build a large language model that knows how to complete a sentence so it would
01:09:29.760
make sense in the conversation it can predict can it also predict based on all the other things i talk
01:09:37.440
about that i would be in the market for a new toothbrush you know just picking something random
01:09:45.440
i think it might i think there's a possibility that all the other things you talk about
01:09:51.280
would somehow give it a hint of what specific thing you've never mentioned you might also be interested
01:09:57.120
in so it feels like it i don't know if that's the case
01:10:02.640
anyway um let me let me give you a review of the harris versus trump messaging at the moment
01:10:08.320
so harris has some ads uh one of them says that trump vows to be a dictator on day one
01:10:14.000
do you think that trump vowed to be a dictator on day one as a joke he did answering a question once
01:10:22.960
does it sound serious at all to be a dictator on one on day one no he said a dictator for one day
01:10:29.840
so they could do some things but he didn't mean it literally as a dictator because you don't be a
01:10:34.000
dictator for one day but she's going to act like he meant it seriously she makes an ad where he looks all
01:10:39.920
scary then she also had an ad and said these are quotes that she's attributing to trump he said we
01:10:48.320
should punish women who have abortion he did say that once because he thought it was against the law
01:10:53.680
so of course the law would deal with people who break it he very quickly reversed that totally
01:11:00.480
after thinking it through when people got to him said no you can't put the woman in jail
01:11:04.880
you know she's sort of the victim of this so he just completely changed so it's a lie
01:11:11.200
he did say it but it's a lie to say that that's his view um he said he is proud of his role in ending
01:11:18.800
row well almost what's really true is it was he was proud of moving it to the states so that the
01:11:26.400
constitution can do its job the way it was designed um they say he unleashed extreme abortion bans across
01:11:34.320
the country well that's one way to say it another way to say it is he took the decision away from
01:11:40.640
the federal government and away from himself and put it closer to the public in the states now the
01:11:46.560
states have not worked at all out yet so definitely there's some people not getting what they want in
01:11:52.320
some states but it's not exactly like he unleashed the bans what he did was change how they were decided
01:12:00.560
so why is it that harris has to use non-stop hoaxes to attack trump the reason is that they don't have
01:12:11.360
policies that work out so if if harris had real clean and clear policies that were just better than
01:12:19.040
trump's that's all she would talk about because people would say well that's a better policy if you
01:12:24.720
don't have clear policies or the policies you have are bad all you have is hoaxes so this is a deliberate
01:12:32.160
harris attempt to make sure that all you think about is defending against many hoaxes because it takes
01:12:38.080
away your time from asking what her policies are um so um
01:12:46.160
yeah if all you have is uh hoaxes you're in bad shape did you see the uh there's a few videos of
01:12:56.160
kamala harris talking about her love of cooking collard greens and that she makes so many of them
01:13:01.920
she once had to wash them in a bathtub now i don't know exactly what she meant by washing in a bathtub
01:13:10.320
i like to think that she had individual containers that she was using for washing and they were just
01:13:18.000
in the bathtub because there were a lot of them and it was water splashing around i'd like to think
01:13:23.120
that she did not put them just natively in the bathtub because i would not be eating her house if i knew
01:13:31.120
i had bathroom food hmm so how long has that bathtub been marinating in there after doug got done that's
01:13:39.360
what i'd ask i'd say i don't want any of those uh no colored greens please anyway um but she picked
01:13:49.120
a good vice president in tim waltz um he only has a few people who are against him that would include
01:13:54.880
his brother and all the men he served with in the military but on the good side people who don't know
01:14:03.200
anything about him like him a lot it's just the people who know him who don't like him
01:14:09.360
but to be fair his son likes him and we think the rest of the family we're not sure about the wife
01:14:17.680
but we think the his daughter likes him as well probably so so it's not every person who knows him
01:14:24.480
well it's just his wife shakes hand with with him instead of hugging him his brother says he would be
01:14:30.240
the worst person to be in charge and the men he served with think he's a traitor or something like that
01:14:36.000
not a traitor traitor is too strong but a uh a uh shirker of responsibility something along those
01:14:45.600
lines but but the people who don't know him very positive thoughts about him meanwhile trump's
01:14:52.800
messaging uh he had what looked like an ai designed ad where there was a dangerous looking person
01:14:58.800
who was following a young woman in an alley in a night you know with a knife i think and the statement
01:15:06.880
says no one is safe with kamala's open border that's pretty scary and direct and fair now is that a hoax
01:15:18.000
is it a hoax that dangerous people are coming into the country well if you say they're mostly dangerous
01:15:23.360
then you're a big old racist but some of them are and there are people who didn't need to come in
01:15:28.880
and there are people dying because of the people who did not come in legally now how many of them
01:15:35.760
is a fair question but one would be a lot right you don't want anybody being killed if you don't need
01:15:42.400
it uh but then he also has one more provocative it's uh i don't know if it's ai generated or a photo
01:15:49.040
from some event but it's um men dressed in what looks like islamic traditional uh wear and uh they're
01:15:57.840
burning an american flag and uh and the text on it that trump was sending around was meet your new
01:16:04.080
neighbors if kamala wins your new neighbors just in islamic garb and burning the flag now is that is
01:16:12.720
is that too far not really because she's she's got more of an open border policy uh she would say
01:16:20.160
they're not illegal because she wants to let them in for asylum and she would not have any kind of ban
01:16:25.680
on any particular country it looks like so yeah it would look it would look a lot more like that
01:16:32.800
so i would say that trump uses his typical hyperbole to say that there's a real problem it's
01:16:39.600
definitely a real problem but that you know maybe looking at like it's uh bigger than it is as big
01:16:45.760
as it is it's plenty big but maybe he exaggerates a little harris just makes up hoaxes so literally
01:16:52.480
it's hoaxes versus hyperbole that shouldn't be hard to decide between those two all right here's an idea
01:17:01.280
that is not mine but i like it suppose trump uh this came from somebody who's watching right now
01:17:08.880
somebody who's watching this this is their idea not mine um suppose uh trump made an announcement
01:17:16.400
and he invited harris to join him in this and said the announcement is and you know she doesn't have
01:17:22.720
to be there at the same time but just asking you to agree that no matter who wins the election the
01:17:29.040
president-elect will aggressively pursue any claims of election fraud no matter whether they came from the
01:17:37.200
left to the right now if harris declines to be part of that that would mean that she's not agreeing you
01:17:45.760
should aggressively prosecute people who treated who cheated in the election and that's going to look
01:17:51.040
really sketchy but if she does agree um then it would put the fear in the cheaters and that might be
01:18:01.440
good for trump at least he would think so that would be his belief um so and then you add to that the
01:18:12.160
large whistleblower awards so imagine trump doing an announcement that if i win i will aggressively
01:18:19.600
pursue any cheating accusations and uh there will be whistleblower awards rewards so if anybody saw you do
01:18:27.200
it you can pretty much count on them turning you in because they're going to make a lot of money from
01:18:30.720
it and you simply make it a bigger issue you simply make people think more about the penalty
01:18:39.520
so if you are hypothetically we don't know that such people exist in the real world
01:18:44.560
but hypothetically if there are any little groups of people who are planning to
01:18:48.640
cheat in the election you want them to think a lot more about the penalty
01:18:52.560
and a lot and getting caught and a lot less about just changing the election so remember your reality
01:19:00.880
is what you spend most time thinking about so if trump could make this the thing they think about
01:19:05.840
how much they're going to go to jail how easily they'll be caught how the whistleblowers will certainly
01:19:10.640
turn them in you could put a real chill in their ability to cheat and that could be good that could be good
01:19:18.880
uh adam schiff was uh on tv and uh he was asked about kamala harris and fracking now schiff himself has
01:19:29.040
a bill in that he's backing that would ban fracking so schiff is against fracking and thinks it's important for
01:19:38.880
climate change but when asked about the fact that kamala harris used to be in favor of banning fracking but
01:19:45.120
now she's not schiff said that her values are consistent you know she so he wanted to know
01:19:51.840
that kamala harris's values have not changed um that's a weird defense isn't it he's literally
01:20:02.080
saying that her policy is wrong but that's okay because it's consistent with her principles which
01:20:08.480
actually she's had both opinions with the same principles that is the most absurd defense
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you never want somebody to come out and defend you by saying that you're making the wrong policy
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decision he's on her team he's on her team and he's saying pretty directly she's making the wrong
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policy decision because he has a bill in congress that's the opposite of her opinion
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that's as opposite as you can get he didn't he didn't just say it he's sponsoring a bill in congress
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that's the opposite of her current stated policy and he's still willing to say that her values are
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consistent even when she used to agree with him but now she doesn't what he said was that when you
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become the vice president you have a different perspective okay that's one way to say that you're
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a lying weasel flip-flopper in other words she has to lie about what she wants to get elected
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that's how i hear it she has a different perspective yeah the perspective is that she can't get elected
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well elon musk is fighting back against brazil you know there's that brazilian judge who is trying to
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get who's banning x and um threatening elon and everything and uh elon's response is he's created
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a file a an account on x called the alexander files the alexandre is the judge's name and it's files which
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has lots of posts of about him breaking the law the judge in brazil breaking the law so these are things
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which are public knowledge because you can tell what the law is and then you can see what he did
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because he does it publicly he's a judge and you can see that what he does publicly seems very illegal
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according to brazil's law and not just in one way but in a whole variety of ways so much so that
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creating an account where you can post on it every day was the best way to go
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now will this embarrass or pressure the judge i don't think so because he looks like he's
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kind of a hard ass but uh i love how hard elon is going at him so we'll keep an eye on that
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remember i told you that venezuelan gangs had taken over an apartment building in colorado i think at one
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point i'd said some other town well i saw a video on social media from somebody who lives there
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who claims that that never happened there's no such thing as a venezuelan gang who took over an
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apartment building and that the local police when they saw the reports they also went and looked for
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such a place and found no place that any citizens think the venezuelans are charging them rent or took
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over what do you think is that a real story or is there just sort of a general problem with venezuelan
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gangs there and somebody somebody took it too far yeah why haven't we seen the police swarming the
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apartment maybe because it's a fake story so i'm i'm doing a mia culpa here i think i may have forwarded
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a fake story so i feel that for my own credibility i need to admit that uh it's it's a pretty common
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thing on social media you think something's real looks like it came from a good source and you forward
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it now i'm also not saying i'm not saying that it's debunked because i only saw one person say it
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but i don't know because i don't trust the news but i don't trust random guy talking about it on
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social media so i'm seeing my trusted sources saying it's a real story interesting all right so i'm
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going to say i'll look into it a little bit more but you should be on the guard about stories that
01:24:14.240
your observation is not matching the information my observation is if that were real you'd expect to
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see you know more police response and it'd be a bigger story etc um so there's something wrong with
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the story but there might be something that's real issue about it so i'm going to stick a pin in that
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one and say don't believe anything i've said about it um let's look into that a little more all right
01:24:41.200
uh there's you know i hate this story but i'll just mention it because it's in the news you know
01:24:48.560
uh trump and harris going back and forth about who's disrespecting the military more is it
01:24:54.880
waltz or is it trump going to the cemetery to honor the uh the the dead from the afghanistan withdrawal
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and the only thing i'm going to say about this is
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is it's really icky um and i'm going to take a pass on giving my opinion because i think the
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only opinion that matters are the gold star families and the people who are directly involved
01:25:21.280
people have been in the military uh i think they absolutely have a right to a strong opinion on this
01:25:27.120
and i'll take their i'll take their lead on this right so my take is that my my personal level of
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honor is below all of them so you know i didn't i wasn't in the military i'm not a gold star family
01:25:44.240
so let let the people who have earned their right to be part of this conversation tell us what to think
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and then i will simply observe whether they you know whether it changes the polling or anybody's
01:25:57.040
opinion but uh it's happening meanwhile in oregon they became the first state in the country to
01:26:03.680
recriminalize uh hard drugs which had been decriminalized now we're not talking about
01:26:10.080
marijuana we're talking about the hard stuff the hard drugs apparently that didn't work out so now
01:26:15.360
there's a there's they've reversed it so if you get caught with a small amount you will get choice
01:26:23.360
of jail or um some kind of uh program treatment program now the way i read this is that it's not
01:26:31.280
exactly recriminalizing it in the typical way to me it looks like the recriminalizing is simply a
01:26:38.240
hammer to make them get treatment so if i were reporting the story i would have reported it differently
01:26:44.000
i would say that instead of recriminalizing it although technically that's true i would have
01:26:48.800
said they've changed it to force you into a treatment program the alternative being jail so i i would have
01:26:56.560
explained it as treatment first because who's who's going to take the jail are people going to say yes
01:27:03.680
i'll take the jail when they have a treatment program option that they could you know pretend they're in but not
01:27:09.760
i'd call it a treatment i'd call that a treatment plan and and you know i'm going to give oregon a
01:27:19.600
more of a compliment here than you expected i say it all the time that a system is better than a goal
01:27:27.600
the goal is to you know nobody does drugs and nobody dies from it but the system is you're gonna have to
01:27:34.000
try some stuff so they tried some stuff it didn't work out if they had never tried another thing i'd
01:27:40.800
be really mad at them but they tried something it didn't work out now they're tweaking it still with
01:27:47.360
the emphasis on treatment still okay with it will this work out probably not because nothing seems to work
01:27:55.840
out in this domain but was it smart to try it i'm gonna say yes because the rest of us got to watch
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and you know they it cost them something uh and we didn't have to do it so we got to watch and we go
01:28:10.240
okay there's a whole bunch of other states that just got a real big benefit out of that because now
01:28:16.720
it takes the pressure off them from decriminalizing if they were thinking about it so i'm going to say this
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put us ahead if only in what we know it didn't actually make anything better yet but it might
01:28:29.120
it might well the uk is going to have their first ai teacher list classroom so only ai will be teaching
01:28:38.560
the kids it's just one private school in in london and uh we'll all be watching that so very much like
01:28:45.600
the oregon example my my personal opinion is that it won't work but do i think they should try it yeah
01:28:55.120
yeah absolutely because we won't know if it doesn't work unless somebody goes and tries it
01:29:01.120
so yeah give it a try um i think that the ai teacher would be better on day one than the worst
01:29:10.240
20 of teachers how many how many would agree with me if you had bad luck and you were in a bad school
01:29:17.760
with bad teachers i'll bet the ai teacher is already better but this isn't a private school
01:29:24.560
the private school probably had pretty good teachers so i don't know that this is going to be
01:29:29.280
better for a private school but certainly better than a public school in many cases so we'll keep an eye
01:29:35.200
on that i think it'll end up being some kind of a hybrid model where there's a human teacher
01:29:42.640
but ai does the heavy lifting you know but the human is there to give it salience etc
01:29:50.320
meanwhile there's a fentanyl vaccine going into clinical trials according to trib live
01:29:57.040
um developed by researchers at the university of houston now are you having the same experience i am
01:30:09.600
my experience of this is of all the things that we could do to solve this fentanyl problem of all the
01:30:18.160
things you could think of there would be ways to approach this did it have to be a vaccine
01:30:24.320
it's the only thing i'm not crazy about like even if it had just been a pill
01:30:33.040
you know maybe that would have its own medical risk but there's just something about the fact that it's
01:30:39.040
this day and age and it's 2024 and the the solution for this might be a vaccine
01:30:46.160
now presumably every young person would end up getting the vaccine because you don't know where
01:30:51.840
when the fentanyl is going to be in something that you didn't think was that thing so is this going
01:30:58.960
to be mandatory if it works you could very easily imagine this becomes mandatory couldn't you because
01:31:08.560
if if children don't know they're getting the fentanyl it's not a lifestyle problem it's a health
01:31:12.880
problem it's like an environmental problem now when i say they don't know it you know let's say it's
01:31:18.640
it's they they got they thought they got xanax which they shouldn't be doing right so it would
01:31:25.200
be an illegal activity in any case but if they thought they were getting some xanax from their
01:31:30.960
friend but ended up being fentanyl and killed them you want to protect that kid but do you want to force
01:31:37.520
them to get a vaccination in today's day and age i don't know of all the things there had to be a
01:31:43.840
vaccination anyway in tel aviv mass demonstrations because uh the six hostages were killed by hamas
01:31:54.000
and uh the protesters say i guess you should have been negotiating harder should have negotiated harder
01:32:02.240
but my question for the protesters is this what was your plan so i i get it you don't like what
01:32:10.240
netanyahu did you don't like how he's handling it i get it all right i hear you people people got killed
01:32:17.760
don't like that okay great i got it you don't like it what's your plan uh we'll negotiate to do a
01:32:24.960
ceasefire and get the hostages back so how long is the ceasefire well temporary ceasefire well temporary
01:32:34.080
ceasefire is not going to get anything done hamas isn't going to agree to a temporary ceasefire what
01:32:40.640
would be the point of even having hostages if you're just going to give them back and then they
01:32:46.800
would say well not a not a temporary ceasefire but rather just a ceasefire and then you know we real
01:32:53.600
rebuild uh hamas and or we will rebuild gaza and then all the misplaced people get you know fed and
01:33:01.200
they get to live somewhere to which i say that wasn't one of the options what made you think that
01:33:08.480
was an option there there is no way that israel is going to rebuild the town and let hamas just take
01:33:15.520
over again so whatever it is it's not going to be peace until hamas is gone so my question to the
01:33:23.840
the protesters is do you even have any reasonable idea what this should have done instead of what
01:33:31.120
happened and the answer is i i feel like they're just mad that they're not really asking for anything
01:33:38.720
that would make any sense at all so one also wonders who are the organizers for any protests
01:33:47.200
anywhere around the world and now the most important thing if you missed the start the
01:33:55.040
dilbert calendar for 2025 is now available if you go to dilbert.com you'll see the the link to the
01:34:02.480
purchase page and you could pre-order it now if you pre-order it it's good for me because then i don't
01:34:10.000
have to put up a bunch of money because i skipped the regular publisher this year and it's not available
01:34:15.200
on amazon because they take a lot of it and i couldn't really i couldn't give you the price i
01:34:21.760
wanted to give you uh unless i cut out the publisher and amazon as well so it's only available from one
01:34:28.400
one site and uh hope you hope you pick it up and uh yeah you'll see yeah the the shipping turns out to be
01:34:38.320
a big part of it but if you order more than one the shipping will look reasonable and as i said earlier
01:34:43.520
it's double the comics this time because there's a comic on the back as well as the front so that
01:34:49.600
includes the dilbert reborn the spicy ones that are the newer ones will be on the backs all right
01:34:56.400
that's all for now people thanks for joining i hope you enjoyed my conversation with jason
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and uh i will see you in the man cave tonight and uh thanks for joining all right i'm going to talk to
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the uh people privately on locals just for a little bit but uh if you're on extra rumble or youtube