Real Coffee with Scott Adams - Episode 3053 CWSA 12⧸25⧸25

00:00:00.160 merry christmas everybody come on in come on in we're gonna hang out a little bit

00:00:08.400 just in case your christmas needed a little extra or in case you were hanging out by yourself

00:00:16.640 you don't have to you can hang out with us let me make sure i can see your locals comments

00:00:30.160 yes i can excellent excellent go on in we will do the special christmas simultaneous sip

00:00:43.360 just as soon as oops quiet just as soon as enough of you get in here

00:00:52.160 yep it's going to be epic

00:00:53.600 how many of you assumed i would be wearing a christmas hat i'll bet unpredictable

00:01:05.440 the wise men have come send them in my house i need some wise men very wise

00:01:12.480 oh good morning good morning all right are you ready for the simultaneous sip

00:01:22.720 all you need is a copper muggera glass tankard chalice or sign a canteen jug of less a vessel

00:01:29.680 of any kind fill it with your favorite liquid i like coffee and join me now for the unparalleled

00:01:36.400 pleasure the dopamine to the day the thing that makes everything better it's called the simultaneous

00:01:42.480 sip it happens now

00:01:52.320 could you could you smell the simultaneity

00:01:57.680 i could so what do you want to do this morning do you want to hear about some interesting stories

00:02:04.640 do you want to open your packages and act like um the relative that came late for christmas

00:02:13.360 and i'm just sort of sitting in the corner

00:02:17.360 maybe i'll say some things that make it seem like i'm in the room

00:02:21.120 you ready for this i'm going to do some fake

00:02:26.160 fake acting well i guess acting is fake i'm going to do some acting so it seems like i'm just in a room

00:02:33.040 with you okay oh wow was that yours did you just open that up that's a that's a really thoughtful gift

00:02:41.760 who gave you that uh no wonder yep that that's a good gift giver and what did you give back

00:02:51.840 i'm sorry i'll shut up hey what time do we eat does anybody know what time we eat

00:02:57.280 oh god oh no i was hoping that relative wouldn't come oh who invited that one oh my goodness oh

00:03:09.440 everything looked good until that one relative started coming up the driveway but shh we'll just

00:03:15.040 pretend that we don't know who drank all the eggnog yeah hey people where's all the eggnog

00:03:23.760 all right how was that does that feel like i was in your living room just bugging you when you're

00:03:30.880 opening your packages all right well let me give a special shout out today to one of our members who

00:03:43.200 makes clips of my show and does a really really good job of it so good that president trump yesterday

00:03:52.240 reposted it on truth so my uh i'm talking about jay plemons if you're now following him you should

00:04:01.520 on x because he does these most excellent um clips he's really good at figuring out what is a good clip

00:04:11.280 and also you know adding the text and the other features to make it a to make it a really good clip

00:04:18.400 so apparently he did so well that the president of the united states said huh i think he'll repost that

00:04:27.680 so congratulations jay plemons that must be an excellent uh christmas gift doesn't it

00:04:36.240 that must have made you so excited i hope you were telling all your family

00:04:40.880 but you earned it excellent work

00:04:47.200 well gosh i'm not even sure i feel like talking about the uh the news i've got notes but it might be

00:04:58.400 like that boring uncle who doesn't have doesn't have any conversation skills so they just talk about

00:05:05.440 what's in the news that would be me but did you know this is an old story but i'm gonna tie it into

00:05:14.880 something did you know that the census uh was error prone and those errors tended not completely but

00:05:24.880 they tended to lean in one direction which is to undercount conservatives and overcount democrats

00:05:33.600 and the result is that democrats got more seats in the house because the census said there are more

00:05:39.600 people uh than there were now here's why i brought it up the reason that we know this

00:05:48.800 is because the census bureau did an audit of their own process so it's not an accusation

00:05:56.000 it's what the audit people say themselves they say that it changed the uh representative

00:06:04.000 sample not a sample but it changed who's representing who and that it went in one direction

00:06:10.320 on average but what i caught here is the word audit you know i posted the other day that audit would be the

00:06:17.680 word of 2025 and boy is it if you start noticing how often the word audit is going to pop up in all the

00:06:27.200 stories because there's so many stories about fraud and the only way you get a cash room is with an audit

00:06:35.040 well it's not the only way but be the main way you do it so i predict that the public

00:06:44.320 is going to learn the importance of audits in a way that they had not before quite appreciated

00:06:50.400 and if the public starts asking for audits and demanding them then the politicians will have to

00:06:59.200 you know they'll have to fold to that so probably the single most important thing we could do

00:07:06.240 for our fiscal health is to make sure there's always an audit in place like a real one

00:07:11.840 uh for everything that has a lot of money involved could it be that the the attention that we're

00:07:20.000 putting in that word and by the way if it wasn't obvious um you know when i turned on my persuasion

00:07:27.440 skills which i don't always do it's because there's some big gain you know i don't do it just to see if

00:07:35.120 i can do it um i use my persuasion when i think there's some gigantic thing we can get out of

00:07:41.760 it and one of the things i'm going to persuade more and more over the next year is the importance of

00:07:49.920 audits i know boring right but if we don't get that right everything falls apart so

00:08:01.520 did you watch a any of the joe rogan interview recently with brett weinstein weinstein brett weinstein

00:08:12.400 and they were talking about aliens and uaps and ancient civilizations well it sounded like joe rogan

00:08:22.400 is on the similar path that i've been on which is there was one time in my past i thought you know

00:08:31.040 maybe maybe there's some ufos you know maybe there's some aliens they're visiting

00:08:37.040 but more recently i ruled that out in favor of the hypothesis that if anything is happening at all

00:08:45.920 you know in other words if these sightings are at all real that the uh the source of them

00:08:54.000 would be our own past so it might be ancient ancient uh aliens who live beneath the ocean it might be

00:09:04.720 some kind of ripple across time from a time when there were aliens with an advanced civilization on

00:09:12.000 earth but it sounded like joe and i'm not so sure about brett but satellite joe has gone from these

00:09:21.360 might be space aliens to the odds of because rogan always has these experts on ancient civilizations to

00:09:31.040 me it now seems obvious i would say 100 obvious that there were advanced civilizations that we don't

00:09:39.680 know much about and that it can't be a coincidence that we've got these giant megalithic structures

00:09:48.560 not in one place but basically in a variety of places around the world and we don't know how to make

00:09:55.520 them well maybe we could with modern equipment but the fact that none of those cultures retained the

00:10:03.040 ability to make those structures it kind of suggests they found them doesn't it so i'm now of the of the

00:10:13.200 working hypothesis that i think matches joe rogan's i'm not positive but i do believe that these are

00:10:21.840 shadows from the past and i think somebody smarter said maybe it was joe that uh no somebody else

00:10:31.120 somebody said that the reason that these sightings seem to defy uh physics is that they're not part of

00:10:40.080 our reality that they might be some kind of a ripple or a bleed through or a temporal distortion

00:10:49.360 i have no idea what i'm talking about but that that they're literally not part of our reality

00:10:55.120 it's just something we can temporarily see and there's the reason is there was something from the

00:11:00.800 past now here's where it gets interesting boarding for flight 246 to toronto is delayed 50 minutes

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00:11:34.000 comics ontario oh uh palmer lucky who's the head of end rule was asked about aliens and i believe he had

00:11:43.520 a very similar take so if your take ever matches palmer lucky's you're lucky because he's one of the

00:11:53.280 smartest people in the world so remember elon musk has said if there were space aliens he would probably

00:12:00.880 know about it but he doesn't know about it and now another genius palmer lucky is also fairly sure that

00:12:10.400 we can rule out a space aliens but it might be something from the past some advanced civilization and

00:12:16.880 it could be that there wasn't just one it could be that there were dozens of advanced civilizations that

00:12:25.120 didn't make it which is a little bit scary if you happen to be an advanced civilization so i don't know

00:12:32.560 about dozens but i'll bet you if there's one i'll bet you there's multiple what do you think

00:12:40.640 and that maybe it's just buried so deep in the sediment that we'll never know but i'm pretty sure

00:12:49.440 there were some advanced civilizations and then i never heard this before but this is also on rogan

00:12:56.000 show did you know that in peru they found these little creatures with three three fingers and three

00:13:03.600 toes that looked like they really were aliens but probably not aliens from space again

00:13:11.360 more more likely some advanced civilization that was here i'm not sure i believe in the aliens yet

00:13:18.880 or or just the creatures i'm not sure i believe the creatures are real but it's fascinating

00:13:26.320 so here's where i'm going to tie this into something now so you know elon is building the

00:13:33.120 encyclopedia galactica which at the moment is named grokopedia but he said he'll change the name

00:13:40.480 to uh encyclopedia galactic i think and his plan is to create a repository of everything we know

00:13:51.920 and to not only have that available to everyone on earth for free i guess but he would put some copies

00:13:59.200 in space so there would be a library in space forever maybe a library on the moon

00:14:08.240 forever maybe one that just floats around the earth in orbit or wherever he can put it so his plan

00:14:15.280 would be if if humans got wiped out there's some future civilization which might be the you know the

00:14:25.120 remaining remnants of of uh of humans they would somehow be able to recover the lost knowledge now

00:14:34.880 that's a heck of a good idea but it raises this possibility what if the earlier civilizations did the

00:14:44.160 same thing what if they found a way to protect everything they knew but they didn't find a way

00:14:52.880 to protect themselves because it would be easier to launch something into space than it would be to

00:14:59.600 you know put a shield around the whole earth assuming some comet was heading this way or something so

00:15:06.240 is it possible that we will someday discover not just that there used to be a advanced civilization

00:15:14.560 but that they saved all of their knowledge that we could unlock it what do you think

00:15:20.640 i i think that's entirely possible because if elon thought of the idea of preserving knowledge

00:15:30.880 what are the what are the odds of an entire prior civilization didn't have anybody who had that idea

00:15:39.440 right and if it's doable it's not yet been done but yeah pretty close if it's doable what are the odds

00:15:48.720 it was doable before think about it now that's a good that's a good christmas conversation isn't it

00:16:02.800 uh even palmer lucky backed me up backed me up and what

00:16:07.440 i do not i do not know all right um speaking of musk and ai he says that the uh the ai that he runs

00:16:23.120 this is his prediction will have more ai compute than everyone else combined in less than five years do you

00:16:32.320 believe that that the elon musk ai called xai will have more compute than all the other sources combined in five years

00:16:46.800 wow and then i say

00:16:51.200 so we're also right at the verge of the self-driving cars being completely self-driving

00:16:56.960 what would it take i asked this morning what would it take to turn your self-driving car into a classroom

00:17:09.120 so suppose you had to commute you know an hour each way but you didn't have to do the driving

00:17:16.640 could you have a 45-minute class you know assuming there's nobody else in the in the vehicle that just

00:17:23.680 teaches you some kind of a skill and every day you get in it says oh hi scott would you like to

00:17:31.840 continue your physics lesson now i saw somebody push back on that and say scott scott

00:17:39.200 people are not going to want to learn from machines you need a human being to teach people

00:17:46.080 otherwise they just they're not going to be feeling it to which i say it's going to look like a human

00:17:52.960 being you know your screen is going to be somebody who is a deep fake who looks exactly like a human

00:18:00.560 looks at acts so you might have like professor feinman teaching you physics and you would absolutely

00:18:08.000 not know the difference you just wouldn't be able to tell and they would be able to customize your lesson

00:18:13.920 uh completely so i think um at the moment we might be in a place where the ai is not as good as the best

00:18:24.480 teacher how long does that get last you know once it looks like a human and once it's way better at

00:18:32.080 learning how to teach and once it's more customized to you specifically which might be the big part

00:18:38.320 it would be way better and you would probably enjoy it so i think uh and then i said that and then

00:18:48.720 somebody pointed me to a link did you know that el salvador has announced a partnership with xai

00:18:58.560 to build a public education program around ai so they're going to use grok as a personalized digital

00:19:07.520 tutor remember this is el salvador so el salvador is weirdly forward thinking you know they're well

00:19:16.480 managed and that they're going to gradually roll down over two years and it will just be you know fully

00:19:24.240 accredited and uh and their their leader bukele said that using xai for their education will be a way

00:19:33.920 to quote leapfrog traditional education so that el salvador can have the best education system in the

00:19:41.120 world in just a couple years all they have to do is go first and they're going first so bukele very smart

00:19:51.440 so if you want a good free education go to el salvador so that made me wonder how many things are going

00:20:01.760 to go to to the price of free so in the united states we still got this accreditation fetish which

00:20:12.320 apparently has been solved for el salvador but um don't you think we're very close

00:20:21.840 to an advanced education the very best advanced education costing you literally nothing

00:20:29.680 so instead of paying 70 70 000 a year for an elite college you could pay zero

00:20:37.760 do it at your own pace and it would be not just as good but way way better than a traditional education

00:20:46.640 so so as i'm watching with interest uh elon musk's idea that eventually everything will be free

00:20:56.320 um there are definitely things that are going to go first and if we can get rid of the uh let's say the

00:21:05.120 roadblocks in the united states which would be teachers unions and accreditation and

00:21:12.480 inertia so if we can get to where you know el salvador is education would be free but the best part

00:21:22.000 about it is if you've ever had kids in the public school system how many of you have had kids

00:21:29.680 recently in the public school system and you don't know nightmare it is right

00:21:39.680 it seems to me that if you put your nice kid in an environment where everybody can go you know it's a

00:21:48.000 public place they will be bullied uh beyond repair so the damage that's done by going to a public school

00:21:59.120 it's really pretty high so there's damage to the family unit because they over they over homework

00:22:06.320 there's a damage to their mental health you can make all of that go away

00:22:10.560 and make you free and we're we basically have the technology to do it already so people don't

00:22:19.680 realize the horror and the torture that they put kids through in public school if you haven't if you

00:22:26.000 haven't observed it personally you would never believe how bad it is so education could go to zero

00:22:34.160 quickly but i've also said that car insurance could go to zero because once once your self-driving car

00:22:43.840 has basically no accidents there's always gonna be tough then then the car maker can just add

00:22:52.160 insurance forever to the purchase price of the car so for an extra thousand dollars purchase price

00:23:01.440 the car maker will cover all your insurance in case you have an accident for the rest of the life of the

00:23:08.720 car so that won't be free but if you compare a one-time thousand dollar cost over the ownership of the car

00:23:18.640 is close to free then somebody mentioned that uh optimus the you know optimus yeah the the robot will

00:23:29.680 soon be able to do child care i thought to myself all right if you compared a human

00:23:37.840 to a robot today for child care you would probably pick the human right but because the humans who do

00:23:47.440 child care are not maybe not as trustworthy as they could be maybe you couldn't watch what they're doing as

00:23:56.000 easily as you could if a robot was working for you and you could just ask the robot what's going on

00:24:03.520 i feel like child care is going to go to the robots really quickly which would make the cost of it

00:24:12.240 you know drop dramatically for example if you already had a robot to clean your house or do ordinary things

00:24:19.840 you could say all right robot for these work hours you're going to be doing child care because the

00:24:27.040 robot doesn't need to rest so as long as you have a robot it can do child care now imagine if somebody

00:24:36.320 broke into your home and tried to you know do something bad to you or your home who would you rather

00:24:42.240 defend it a traditional child care person or a badass robot i think it would be better security

00:24:53.040 it would be less likely to molest your child and it's just going to be better in every way

00:25:00.240 very very quickly and it can do multiple people so your neighbors kids could come over and one robot

00:25:08.080 takes care of you and so your kid is not lonely but you'd have to choose carefully then what about

00:25:16.560 security we're very close to the point where the robots could give you security better than humans

00:25:27.280 partly because you couldn't afford a human partly because you need three humans a day just to cover the

00:25:32.960 24 hours and partly because the robot probably will be stronger and have you know better decision making etc

00:25:41.200 so that's at least four things that could almost immediately drop to

00:25:49.040 no cost at all so i'm not sold entirely on the idea that that money will be worthless

00:25:57.920 but there sure will be a lot of times when that money is not going to look like uh like it used to

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00:26:40.800 so here's a wild uh prediction speaking of elon musk so i've actually predicted this

00:26:48.400 that there will be double digit growth meaning the gdp within 12 to 18 months

00:26:54.000 it's double digit now why that's ridiculous but might be right is that we were all cheering that

00:27:06.400 the gdp went from three five to four five roughly so we got all excited because it was over four percent

00:27:14.880 elon says it's gonna be you know over ten percent within a year maybe a year and a half

00:27:21.760 do you believe that his reasoning is this he says if applied intelligence and that would be ai

00:27:29.120 and robots you know used intelligently is a proxy for economic growth which it should be he says

00:27:37.280 triple digit is possible in less than five years triple digit so now he's going from ten percent a year

00:27:44.640 to over a hundred percent a year if you can do that does money become worthless i don't know i'm having a

00:27:56.240 little bit of trouble intellectually following the argument but it's a fun one now the caution is this i

00:28:05.040 believe i think musk actually said this but i'm not sure uh i believe he is intentionally moving toward a

00:28:12.560 uh optimistic take on everything because you know he's he's so well uh watched that if he has optimism

00:28:24.160 his optimism will spread and become a positive thing and this could be just some of that it could be that

00:28:33.280 he's just being so optimistic that he knows that's a good idea for society it's better to be over

00:28:40.240 optimistic in this at least in this domain than it would be to be a pessimist so i don't know how

00:28:50.240 100 accurate this is to his opinion but it certainly would uh it would meet the target

00:28:57.280 of being optimistic so just to be a uh just to put a wet blanket on this uh mark cuban today

00:29:09.760 was posting that uh he said i agree we're talking about robot tax uh not not we but on x and uh mark

00:29:19.360 cuban posted i agree we need we need to start discussing now what a robot tax would look like

00:29:27.200 like a straight amount per hour of use per robot or cobot doesn't matter what the shape or form is

00:29:35.040 and start coming up with responses to the inevitable quote we won't be able to compete

00:29:40.240 economically with other countries robots so of course people will say hey you can't put a tax on

00:29:46.640 my robot china will get ahead um he says every country will face the prospect of national instability 0.58

00:29:55.360 if the economics get out of whack which is far more expensive than what you were paying in taxes on

00:30:01.600 your robots now i reposted this but that doesn't mean i agree with it so i would say i'm early in the

00:30:11.440 process of thinking about it on one hand if musk is right that money will become worthless very quickly

00:30:20.960 then talk of taxing doesn't make sense just why tax money doesn't isn't worth anything but there should be

00:30:30.720 some interim period in which money is worth something and we need more of it so it does seem to me that it

00:30:41.680 would be unavoidable for the government to put some kind of tax on it and the theory would be hey if you're

00:30:49.920 really increasing your productivity by triple digits are you telling me that doesn't create any extra money

00:30:57.120 money for paying down our debt and with a little bit of tax because the domain would be enormous so

00:31:07.360 you wouldn't have to tax it 50 percent per robot maybe i'm just going to take a swing maybe five percent

00:31:15.440 tax per the value of each robot something like that uh would that be enough to pay down the debt

00:31:22.400 or at least get us out of an emergency situation with the debt while we wait for the day when money is

00:31:29.520 worthless so there's there's the the interim transitionary part that's a little vague how

00:31:38.160 that's going to work if it works at all but i do agree with him that there's going to be a conversation

00:31:45.600 i hate using that term but but we do need to get serious about thinking uh will robots be taxed

00:31:54.240 i i tend to agree with him that if we taxed our robots a little bit it wouldn't put us behind

00:32:02.560 compared to say china if we overtax them yeah then of course right so there's probably some number 1.00

00:32:10.320 that doesn't hurt you at all in the same way that the tariffs didn't hurt us like we thought they

00:32:16.720 would economics is so unpredictable that it's really hard to know uh if and when a tax on robots

00:32:26.160 makes sense you know your common sense might not be up to the task i feel that's in my case i feel like

00:32:34.880 my common sense which usually works pretty well you know not that there is common sense but i don't know

00:32:44.720 do not know

00:32:48.080 all right in other news i think we're ready for a sip

00:32:54.560 poop

00:32:54.800 all right i'm just going to rest and uh look at your comments for a minute

00:33:09.280 if you want less of something tax it yeah

00:33:14.000 yep

00:33:16.880 so i guess trump wants the uh the vaccine schedule for childhood to be totally changed

00:33:24.800 from 72 doses when the kids born basically all the way down to 11. so that would be similar to

00:33:32.880 denmark what do you think of that is that a good idea i don't know i'm no doctor

00:33:42.240 but people are definitely worried about loading up little babies with too much vaccinations in the

00:33:47.840 beginning so it seems like there's at least a good argument for stretching amount and if we can look

00:33:58.080 to denmark as our model of what works and what doesn't well maybe that's a little bit safer so i

00:34:05.920 don't have an opinion on this um i will default to people who are much smarter i'll just note that it's

00:34:14.080 happening well the company called grok with a q on the end instead of the k at the end which i believe

00:34:23.520 is one of uh chamas companies uh from the allen pod i think he was key investor in that um apparently

00:34:33.200 they've got some kind of deal uh i heard yesterday that they sold the company

00:34:38.960 company but maybe it's just a working deal so they've got some kind of ai inference technology

00:34:46.960 that uh open ai was interested in so it looks like a big win for chamath chamath

00:34:56.080 congratulations that's a very big win uh somebody said something like four billion dollars

00:35:02.560 i don't know what the real numbers are but they're big numbers so he's been busting his butt on this

00:35:08.560 startup and uh wow wow that's very impressive good work chamath

00:35:20.240 um i saw a quote today from a writer from blaze media that i really liked so jt young writing from

00:35:28.880 blaze media um said democrats caused the affordability crisis with their progressive policies and now

00:35:38.480 pretend to be shocked by it but here's the fun part uh

00:35:46.160 democrats are now left with a single strategy campaigning on the consequences of their own

00:35:52.400 incompetence and hoping voters forget who caused them that is such a good reframe

00:35:58.880 um so the democrats are only the only thing they have is affordability and they're the ones who caused

00:36:07.280 the problem and it's unlikely they have a solution that's pretty funny

00:36:16.320 did you know that the dnc itself that's the democrat organization is also in debt unlike the republicans

00:36:24.720 the dnc is 16 million dollars in debt does it seem to you that democrats overspend in every category

00:36:35.600 including their own organization and it just doesn't seem like republicans are doing that

00:36:42.400 so republicans have a nice little war chest

00:36:45.440 well rand paul came out with his festivus report for 2025 he found 1.6 trillion in wasted fraud

00:36:59.840 1.6 trillion in wasted fraud now people will debate how much of that is wasted fraud

00:37:10.720 but i always say the first trillion is the easiest to spot you once you get that first trillion

00:37:18.560 now do you believe that there's 1.6 trillion in wasted fraud that he could find i do

00:37:27.200 you know i've said this now a number of times i could not understand the world

00:37:31.760 you know the political world you know the political world unless the fraud numbers were over a trillion

00:37:38.960 dollars a year and apparently they are they're over a trillion dollars a year and apparently it's also

00:37:47.040 identifiable that's the weird part it's totally identifiable

00:37:52.320 all right here's a funny story you you've heard that some north koreans had figured out how to get

00:38:01.760 jobs at amazon and they just acted like they were remote workers and apparently amazon has blocked 1800

00:38:10.480 job apps from the suspected north korean agents who when they get a job they just do the job

00:38:20.000 and then they get paid and they give the money to presumably the regime

00:38:24.880 now the first time i heard this story i assumed that the reason that the north koreans were doing this

00:38:33.760 was to get access to our technology and maybe to you know do some mischief

00:38:41.040 but it looks like maybe their their primary motive maybe not the only motive but their primary motive

00:38:47.840 is just to get a job and to and to put the money into the regime which would suggest that their

00:38:56.560 incentive is to do the very best job they could because not only could they get fired but they could get

00:39:05.760 executed so it could turn out that they've always been the best employees amazon's ever had

00:39:12.640 because you'd have to be really smart to pull off the deception but if you didn't pull it off right

00:39:20.880 what does the dear leader in north korea do to you does he execute you i mean it's a dangerous place

00:39:28.640 so the ironic and funny thing is that you know obviously they have to stop it you know they have to

00:39:34.480 plug that hole which they've done but is it possible that they've always been their best employees

00:39:42.080 and that they would have continued to be their best employees because what they really wanted was a job

00:39:51.920 anyway i think that's funny at capital one we're more than just a credit card company

00:39:58.960 we're people just like you who believe in the power of yes yes to new opportunities yes to second

00:40:05.840 chances yes to a fresh start that's why we've helped over four million canadians get access

00:40:11.920 to a credit card because at capital one we say yes so you don't have to hear another no what will

00:40:18.000 you do with your yes get the yes you've been waiting for at capital one dot ca slash yes terms and conditions apply

00:40:26.160 well did you hear there's another million epstein records that they didn't know about

00:40:31.600 so suddenly they found another million records so if you thought that the release of the epstein file

00:40:42.240 was already too slow what do you think by the fact that it's moving backwards that there are more

00:40:49.600 unreleased files today than there were a month ago and that every day that goes by instead of fewer

00:40:57.920 unreleased documents that there are actually more of them well this would suggest that the trickle

00:41:05.440 theory i've talked about might be in play that if they could add another million that don't have any

00:41:12.320 real value then they can say well here's another ten thousand well here's another ten thousand and they

00:41:20.080 would never have to get to the bottom of the barrel so that they could always argue we're working as hard

00:41:25.920 as we can and we're doing our best but we keep finding all these files and you want to know about

00:41:32.240 them right so it's suspicious as hell and how do you lose a million documents in the first place

00:41:41.440 but i went to grok this morning to try to see if i could do any kind of a good job of summarizing

00:41:51.440 the mike ben's theory about epstein would you like to hear my best take using grok so it's not my take

00:42:01.120 it's mike ben's who i asked grok to summarize would you like to hear my best take on how the epstein thing

00:42:12.160 makes sense that we don't know as much as we should know i don't know if that's still interesting

00:42:18.720 because if you're a little bit of a repeat i'm just looking at your answers right now

00:42:27.600 you'll never see the files

00:42:29.040 all right so i will try to use my skills for summarizing on top of grok's skills for summarizing

00:42:44.480 on top of the key research done by mike benz who's great at summarizing but he starts with a very large

00:42:53.040 body of of work all right let's see how i can do this so again credit to mike ben's um

00:43:04.480 so back in 1976 epstein joined the company bear stearns where he was not exactly qualified

00:43:14.800 um and he handled accounts for a bank called bcci that i guess was some kind of subsidiary of bear

00:43:25.840 stearns and bcci is well known as being we know this now uh the the bank for the cia

00:43:35.600 so it was specifically used by um not only great britain and saudi arabia but the united states

00:43:45.840 to launder money through the for their intelligence agencies right so the first the first hint that

00:43:55.200 epstein was cia is that he worked for the cia bank obviously he knew what he was doing

00:44:03.040 all right so you got that going on he definitely 100 chance epstein knew he was working for

00:44:12.240 intelligence agencies and it was one of the biggest ones of the time completely confirmed

00:44:19.680 you don't have to guess if they were part of the cia that's all proven you know nobody debases

00:44:27.360 it all right but how in the world did he get that job well uh he began his career upsteen did as a

00:44:37.280 math and physics teacher at this elite dalton school in new york city now the weird part is he did not have

00:44:45.600 the credentials to be a teacher of those topics or any topics um so how did he get that job well the

00:44:56.000 the the person running that school was donald bar who coincidentally or not was the father of bill

00:45:05.920 bar now donald bar was known again these are confirmed facts he was known to be an employee of the oss

00:45:17.040 which was a precursor of the cia so now we have confirmed

00:45:21.920 we have confirmed that epstein was part of this big bank that was the cia we have confirmed that he

00:45:28.960 got a job that he probably wasn't qualified for thanks to somebody who was literally on the payroll

00:45:36.320 of the cia and his precursor now what you might not know is that donald bar was also associated with

00:45:45.040 cover-up cover-ups and cleanups so he would be known as somebody who you know hid things so that

00:45:53.440 the public did not find out about them and epstein worked for him now his son bill bar also was on the

00:46:04.000 payroll of the cia while he was going to law school so both the father and the son are confirmed to have

00:46:12.080 been on a cia or pre-cia payroll bill bar the younger one you know as the attorney general in the first

00:46:23.920 trump administration and also the attorney general in the second do you remember who told you that uh

00:46:32.960 the epstein committed suicide well the person who was sort of in charge of determining that was bill

00:46:41.280 bar and he literally is from a family of cia cover-up people

00:46:50.160 this is all true this is it's amazing all right so uh benton's argues that epstein's rapid rise within

00:46:58.640 bear stearns remember bear stearns was the entity uh that's working with that uh cork and bank

00:47:06.240 uh despite a questionable resume says rock um was that he was he was doing these cia transactions

00:47:16.800 so he had a rapid career rise so he worked on trades connected to bcci which were clearing billions of

00:47:24.720 dollars for intel agencies like the cia and mi6 and saudi led saudi led safari club whatever that is all right

00:47:33.520 so now we know epstein was definitely cia there's no doubt about it and we know that his connections

00:47:44.880 were with a senior bar who was a cover-up guy and also junior bar who was a cia cover-up guy

00:47:53.280 so he has a strong connection to two cia cover-up guys

00:48:00.880 um going further there was this gentleman named stand pottinger who i'd never heard of until

00:48:08.720 benz so stan pottinger was a i guess he's well known today as a cia mop-up man in other words he was a

00:48:19.040 cover-up guy for the cia so you got two bars senior and junior who were both on the payroll

00:48:30.720 and they're both cover-up guys but the stan pottinger was the ultimate cover-up guy

00:48:36.880 and uh he covered for let's see the mlk assassination when people were asking if the cia was involved

00:48:47.200 the civil rights movement in a number of ways watergate uh operation condor and ben says that

00:48:56.000 pottinger appeared in quote every cia scandal of the 60s and 70s so that if anything needs to be

00:49:04.080 covered up you would always find pottinger but what does pottinger have to do with anybody well

00:49:11.120 uh pottinger was epstein's roommate during the early 80s pottinger was his roommate

00:49:24.160 so the three most famous cia cover-up guys had a confirmed and definite close relationship

00:49:32.960 with epstein epstein epstein was so deeply embedded with the cia that he's the guy who signed off on

00:49:43.440 moving the cia's airline which they used for you know moving uh i think they use it for around contra

00:49:50.880 and some other stuff so cia had his own plane that they used for sketchy stuff and somehow epstein got to

00:50:00.000 sign off on moving that to be the private plane of the limited which is remember that uh i believe

00:50:08.000 that was the company for victoria secrets remember his his his billionaire friend owned uh his billionaire

00:50:18.000 friend owned victoria secrets so how in the world benz asks would epstein be able to move a cia plane

00:50:29.680 from one ownership to the other unless unless he was deeply embedded with the cia or they wanted him to

00:50:38.480 do it all right so did that a summary work once you realize that his closest associations yeah wexler was

00:50:50.960 ahead of the limit once you realize that his closest associations were cia cover-up guys are you surprised

00:51:00.960 that we're not seeing all the files you should not be surprised there's really no way we're going to see

00:51:08.320 all the files now i would imagine that the good stuff has already been deleted from the files a long

00:51:15.840 time ago i assume but even if it hadn't been you're never going to see it you will never see it

00:51:24.320 it so how many for how many of you did that answer your questions this is a little bit confusing but

00:51:34.080 once you know the players and that's what mike benz does so well he figures out who the players are and

00:51:39.920 how they're connected every bit of this by the way is from public records so i don't think

00:51:47.120 there's anything i said that's not a publicly documented beyond any question

00:51:52.800 yeah mike bert it's old news for you i i think it's old news for a number of people but it's still hard

00:52:03.920 to hold it all in your head isn't it that that's the problem i was having it's like okay pottinger bar

00:52:11.360 senior junior bcci uh what's the name of that bank bear stearns but but once you realize

00:52:19.120 uh i guess there's maybe half a dozen names once you realize how those half a dozen names fit together

00:52:27.600 right and then then you look at uh his his friend there uh good lady maxwell wasn't her father intel 1.00

00:52:39.440 so here's the question bar was clinton's cover-up guy for the drug running yeah so so also um bill

00:52:59.200 bar was hired as attorney general under george bush senior who had been the head of the cia

00:53:07.680 so that's yet another confirmed cia connection

00:53:15.680 and uh yeah and he he had a connection to kashoggi who was this big arms dealer for

00:53:23.680 at least until he got bone sawed

00:53:25.120 so

00:53:32.080 anyway

00:53:34.080 that answered all my questions about epstein

00:53:41.600 well the mcdonald's there's a mcdonald's and uh in minneapolis

00:53:46.400 that you can't get in unless somebody unlocks the door for you because there's too much mischief and

00:53:53.680 crime i remember a time when you could just go to mcdonald's and walk in and order something

00:54:01.120 and now it's so dangerous even to be in public in minnesota that they've got the door locked

00:54:07.920 and they check you out before they let you in to get a hamburger

00:54:11.680 oh no you're not getting near our hamburgers unless we feel safe

00:54:18.800 here's a weird one so apparently the trump administration did an eo

00:54:23.120 to force indiana to keep open some power plants some coal power plants that they were going to close

00:54:32.160 and it made me wonder how can the federal government

00:54:36.400 tell a state to keep a coal plant open what what authority would allow you to do that

00:54:42.960 it's not exactly national defense so seems to me that indiana might challenge that and win

00:54:52.400 because i don't see an executive order having that kind of power over a state but i could be surprised

00:55:00.320 um you heard that the military was going to use grok the ai apparently they also are going to use

00:55:15.840 gemini which should be a competing ai so i don't know if they've thought this through

00:55:22.720 is it a good idea to have two major ais in the military or should they have put all their

00:55:32.880 all their chips in grok because it will be better you know grok would be better than gemini

00:55:40.160 but is it a mistake that the military might have two different major ais i don't know maybe one keeps

00:55:48.320 the other one from being too adventurous i don't know there might be an argument for it

00:55:55.840 meanwhile russia wants to put a nuclear power plant on the moon within a decade do you believe that russia

00:56:03.360 has the technical capability to put a nuclear power plant on the moon within a decade and how would

00:56:11.680 they get there would they rent space on a spacex would uh would they build the power plant here

00:56:21.600 and then pay elon musk to take it to the moon or do they have that capability i don't know i'm not

00:56:28.880 sure sure they can pull that off but maybe maybe ai will let them pull it off

00:56:34.720 all right i saw a clip of palmer lucky speaking of palmer lucky and he's the ceo of and founder of

00:56:47.440 anduril who's making high-tech weapons for the u.s now apparently he's figured out how to make a

00:56:56.000 missile that you could produce in something like a car manufacturing line now why that's a big deal

00:57:03.920 is that you could take a hundred thousand dollar missile and make it a thousand dollar missile

00:57:09.760 that'd be just as good if you could manufacture it more efficiently and you could quickly change over

00:57:16.800 your domestic manufacturing from whatever it was already doing to uh to make missiles

00:57:25.120 he he claims this pretty good argument that china would have to think twice about attacking 0.99

00:57:32.960 because if china thought haha we can make missiles faster than they can we'll just wait till they 0.95

00:57:39.680 run out of missiles then maybe they would get adventurous but if they knew we can make missiles

00:57:46.720 for a thousand dollars a piece and we could in let's say two weeks convert a car assembly line into a

00:57:54.000 missile maker then they would have to worry that we could make cheaper better smarter faster 0.91

00:58:01.680 missiles than they do because we did better with manufacturing i don't know if you beat china 0.99

00:58:08.160 in manufacturing but it's interesting argument so i've noticed that um elon musk and palmer lucky

00:58:19.360 have one thing in common besides being geniuses um that they put they put a high value in

00:58:27.040 the ability to quickly manufacture

00:58:30.640 um and if you take the quickly manufacture part seriously then everything changes so militarily it's

00:58:39.440 a big deal but profit wise it's an even bigger deal i think i told you yesterday that

00:58:45.920 musk thinks they can get the production of the autocab that would be the one that has no steering wheel

00:58:52.640 it'd be self-driving he thinks he can get that down to five seconds per unit

00:58:59.520 so that from beginning to end i think that's what that means or maybe it just means that

00:59:06.000 yeah it would have to be from beginning then that it would be so efficient

00:59:09.520 that it would just go boom and five seconds you would have a new vehicle that's his goal five seconds

00:59:19.600 so good luck china beating five seconds 0.80

00:59:23.520 so i think that might be that's all i want to talk about today

00:59:37.440 beau somebody named beau who's being a problem

00:59:44.000 they have a long view of history

00:59:45.680 all right let me look at your comments and hang out for with you for a while

01:00:01.600 uh you're used to being ahead of everybody

01:00:03.840 sir we can always whip the wii or software yeah

01:00:17.440 you know cold dust on the fiddle it's funny

01:00:23.680 yeah it's not building yeah okay i think you're right

01:00:27.600 it's one coming off the assembly line every five minutes that's different

01:00:40.160 existing plants are once every minute is that true

01:00:49.200 interesting i would not have known the answer to that question but

01:00:53.280 a minute feels about right for yeah

01:01:02.320 oh nice dog pictures

01:01:09.440 hey look at me

01:01:14.160 well thank you thank you thank you yeah

01:01:18.720 bobber lucky's sister is married to matt gates true small world

01:01:34.960 yeah and the girls were a party favor probably so it makes you wonder what other bad behavior

01:01:42.240 people linked to the cia get away with if epstein was getting away with this stuff

01:01:48.720 because he was valuable to the cia how many other people fall in that category

01:01:59.360 how many indeed

01:02:02.880 he's got a boat

01:02:09.600 what am i having for breakfast you know i'm not going to tell you

01:02:18.720 happy birthday denom what

01:02:28.880 oh you liked it so did my summary of the mike ben's thing add to what you knew

01:02:38.400 or to pull it together i hate to step on his

01:02:42.000 i think that was good work especially if i'm making it worse

01:02:47.200 but i just feel like we had to we just had to

01:02:50.880 get that summary down a little bit it's really hard to summarize

01:03:09.040 uh you want a steering wheel in the back seat

01:03:12.880 well yeah obviously i credited him as much as possible i'm very impressed with his work

01:03:26.880 you know i've said this before but when i think of him i always think of the marvel

01:03:32.480 universe and there's a famous line in the marvel movies

01:03:37.040 where whoever says i don't know somebody says we have a hulk who says that is it tony stark

01:03:47.120 who's the person in the uh in the superhero movies who says we have a hulk

01:03:57.360 well whoever says it it makes me think of ben's because we have a ben's

01:04:03.120 they don't really have one of those and without him we would not have been able to penetrate the ngo stuff 0.97

01:04:12.800 or the epstein stuff to the you know by far the biggest things going so and we have a victor david

01:04:22.080 handson you know we have a we have a me we have i don't want to say we have a joe rogan because i

01:04:31.200 prefer to think of him as an independent but uh he's definitely not anti-trump and we have an elon musk

01:04:44.720 but think about it yeah we have we have a cerdovich

01:04:49.440 i can go down the line and come up with another 10 names but we seem to have people who are just way

01:04:56.960 better at stuff uh things you didn't even know needed to happen but uh

01:05:06.320 yeah we have a dated republican they don't have that

01:05:12.880 but really if you watch any of the left-leaning content which i've started to do as much as possible

01:05:19.360 like the bulwark etc it's mostly just gossipers like what makes you famous or successful on the

01:05:28.720 left is that you're good at insulting republicans you're good at the gossip so that seems to be what

01:05:37.040 they they value oh you did a really good job of insulting trump so we'll watch your show but on the right

01:05:44.800 right there's some kind of competence thing that people are valuing the people on the right can tell

01:05:53.600 the difference between what is really useful and what is just a bunch of insults now i would i would

01:06:02.800 suggest that i've trained an entire republican party about persuasion and also reframing

01:06:11.440 so if you take just those two contributions that just i did persuasion and reframing who did that on

01:06:20.400 their side who taught the democrats how to do that nobody they don't have a me so they don't have a mike

01:06:29.760 bens they don't have a me they don't have an elon musk um they always complain that they don't have a

01:06:36.320 joe rogan but again he's he's i call him an independent but he's super useful yeah they

01:06:45.920 they have a rob reiner the best guy was rob reiner and stephen king the avengers yes thank you

01:06:58.400 canada can be a global leader in reducing the harm caused by smoking but it requires actionable steps now is

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01:07:11.200 alternatives by doing so we can create lasting change if you don't smoke don't start if you smoke

01:07:18.720 quit if you don't quit change visit unsmoke.ca yep uh again i hate to say that we have an elon musk

01:07:30.160 because i also think of him as an independent but i get it i know why you're saying it

01:07:39.280 and when you look at their historians their historians are basically just insulters

01:07:45.840 that they just use history to insult trump well obviously he's a fascist but you go to victor davis

01:07:54.160 hansen and he's giving you this incredible context that really puts everything you know in order

01:08:01.280 completely different completely different yeah we have one of them they don't

01:08:06.640 we have a dennis miller i don't hear much from him

01:08:17.280 yep they have a james carville and joy reed you're right so some of their 0.99

01:08:24.720 some of their most notable people are just idiots so what it takes to be notable on the left 0.99

01:08:35.840 is to be wildly lying like the designated liars and to be good at insulting or if you're rachel maddow 1.00

01:08:47.120 to be good at faceless while you insult have you ever watched her face while she thinks she has 0.88

01:08:53.280 something i'm so happy because i've got something bad to say about a republican about trump oh my god

01:09:02.080 i can't get this smile this this smoke smile off my face oh and oh my god it's so cringe 0.99

01:09:13.680 yeah her face screams mental illness and i mean that seriously not as an insult it screams mental illness 0.99

01:09:22.560 yeah they had they have a tim waltz oh my god they have a they have a governor newsom 1.00

01:09:34.000 are you fucking kidding me we we have a ron desantis and they have a tim waltz come on come on 0.95

01:09:42.800 are you gonna put them in the same bag no no we we have a trump and they had a kamala harris right 0.98

01:09:58.240 right we had a trump and they had the kamala harris these are not competitive you know because the way

01:10:07.120 the system is set up she could still come within striking distance but there's no way that they

01:10:15.200 have any kind of equal talent set you know trump's talent stack is extraordinary and she didn't have

01:10:21.600 any she had no talent at all they have an eric swalwell and we've got someone

01:10:31.280 i'm running out of names yeah they have a jasmine crockett

01:10:42.160 so but so even if you let me pick another name even if you didn't like ted cruz you're smarter than

01:10:50.880 most of them right we've got a ted cruz and they've got they've got some lying weasels 0.96

01:11:01.280 they have most of the fraud now i will give them mark cuban because i think he has you know like a

01:11:11.440 real brain um but he doesn't he's not really utilized in in a strong way politically uh and maybe he

01:11:24.160 shouldn't be because he's you know it would be interfere with his businesses they have a dan goldberg

01:11:30.160 oh my god

01:11:36.800 yeah we've got a thomas massey not everybody likes that i happen to like it

01:11:44.320 but what about uh michael schellenberger who do they have that matches matt taibbi

01:11:50.640 and michael schellenberger nobody nobody

01:12:05.280 uh they used to have the ceo of starbucks he wasn't that involved

01:12:09.520 yeah we have rand paul they have bernie good one yeah they have bernie and we have rand paul again

01:12:21.680 these are not equivalents

01:12:22.960 even well glenn greenwald i would still call him an independent but he has certainly uh been useful

01:12:39.280 people to the right

01:12:47.040 uh we have guff held they have kimmel perfect perfect so we have the number one guy for late night uh

01:12:55.120 political stuff greg guff health and they've got three people who are really weak

01:13:01.200 probably won't even be in business in a little while

01:13:07.920 yep

01:13:10.400 now am i am i just being biased or is it super obvious

01:13:16.400 that the talent on the right exceeds the talent on the left do you agree with the hypothesis

01:13:24.400 first of all would you say that's true or am i just imagining it because i want it to be true

01:13:32.160 i might be

01:13:35.040 yeah we have megan kelly who's there megan kelly joy reid they don't have anything that yeah

01:13:46.480 i don't think democrats have anything that would equal a megan kelly 0.96

01:13:51.360 do they i can't think of anybody

01:14:03.360 we have meritocracy and they don't well maddo okay well i will give you that maddo gets a big audience

01:14:13.360 and she can make a dent but she's so insane she only works one day a week 1.00

01:14:19.040 i don't know you could argue that the right has a fuentes problem um and i would argue that's true

01:14:28.720 it has to be well managed

01:14:30.080 jake tapper laura luber yeah laura luber is in her own category

01:14:45.120 um you could have one to rip in and you want about her but she's she kind of stands alone there's there 1.00

01:14:53.120 not two laura luber's

01:14:59.920 we have mark levin i don't i don't know if mark levin

01:15:06.160 fits into this model or not he's kind of his own guy i mean obviously he's right leading but

01:15:12.960 i wouldn't put him in the same conversation as the others

01:15:20.000 they do have john stewart but he can't make a dent

01:15:25.360 oh we have scott jennings right we have scott jennings and they have jasmine crockett again 0.84

01:15:32.160 not close those are not close

01:15:41.920 they have rosie o'donnell and the key keeper

01:15:48.240 all right that's enough of this

01:15:49.520 has everybody opened their presence yet

01:16:00.640 are you opening your presence yeah we have a caroline levitt and they had that weird one again not even

01:16:09.680 close

01:16:12.960 we have nicki menage i guess i wouldn't count that one

01:16:18.960 all right who else is having a delicious meal soon

01:16:26.560 i'm just hanging out with you now

01:16:28.000 yeah we have roseanne and they have i don't know what

01:16:41.840 they have adam schiff adam schiff yeah we have adam carolla and they have adam schiff again

01:16:51.600 not even close i'll take adam carolla every time

01:16:58.000 so we have dr drew and they have everybody who lied to us about the pandemic

01:17:20.800 i wouldn't say we have dr drew because i also think he would be considered an independent

01:17:28.000 um

01:17:30.560 but you know what i mean

01:17:33.680 you do have me you totally have me

01:17:42.960 they used to have rfk jr now we have rfk jr

01:17:48.880 again rfk jr is not a creature of the right

01:17:53.040 right he just happens to be smart enough to to know how to work productively with the right

01:18:00.560 which is a superpower

01:18:01.840 yep we ever got felled they don't

01:18:16.400 absolutely

01:18:16.960 mm-hmm speaking of greg

01:18:24.960 merry christmas greg

01:18:27.280 if you're listening

01:18:28.080 all right

01:18:37.040 i'm tempted to sign off

01:18:41.200 but on the other hand

01:18:45.920 i'm tempted to just hang out so i'll tell you what i'll do

01:18:49.600 i'll hang out for another five minutes okay

01:18:52.160 so that it doesn't seem abrupt

01:18:53.920 another five minutes and then get back to what you were doing

01:18:58.240 oh yeah we have tulsi they don't

01:19:01.920 all right

01:19:14.720 all right people

01:19:15.440 i think we're winding down a little bit

01:19:20.160 got family stuff to do

01:19:21.440 you won't miss anything if you leave now

01:19:26.080 we did all the good stuff already

01:19:29.120 we have scott bessens good one

01:19:32.960 and they have

01:19:35.600 we don't know

01:19:39.040 they have that too late guy

01:19:43.600 yep we have scott bessens

01:19:45.200 they have paul krugman perfect

01:20:11.520 perfect way to end

01:20:13.440 all right everybody

01:20:16.320 stay dry

01:20:17.760 stay cool

01:20:19.280 see you tomorrow

01:20:25.840 oh no

01:20:28.000 it is not ending

01:20:29.920 looks like i'm gonna have to close it and reopen it just to end it

01:20:42.480 we have both up

01:20:44.560 doors

01:20:49.120 so

01:20:51.200 we have not to close it

01:20:52.320 so

01:20:53.360 we have to go

01:20:56.800 now

01:21:00.080 so

01:21:04.080 that everyone

Real Coffee with Scott Adams - December 25, 2025

Episode 3053 CWSA 12⧸25⧸25

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