Episode 3055 CWSA 12⧸27⧸25
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Summary
In this episode of the podcast, I talk about the polar bears, climate change and why some men may downplay climate change risks to avoid appearing feminine. I also talk about why climate scientists are the laughing stock of the scientific community.
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what just happened good morning everybody i'm here we're back
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come on in we've got a slow news day so we're gonna have to make the most of it but you know we can
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we got funny news stories we've got reframes we've got drama we've got trouble it's gonna be awesome
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so uh i'll remind you i guess that's the wrong word because i haven't told you yet
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but it's saturday and uh there will be a spaces event uh hosted by owen gregorian immediately
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ish after this podcast so if you didn't get enough of what i'm going to give you you can go get a little
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extra so spaces is the audio feature with an x if you're not on the x platform you probably should
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be because it's got a lot of good stuff all right people people you know what we should do
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well i would be i'm making a mistake if i didn't remind you
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you that the dillberg calendar is still slightly for sale meaning that we're getting close to selling
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out which is both true and a mechanism of persuasion to tell you that there are shortages but it's
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actually true there there is a risk that if you wait a week or two we might have sold out
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so get your dillberg calendar while they still exist all right i like to start my show talking about
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science so apparently there's a new study in the uk that says that polar bears are undergoing rapid genetic
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change to adjust to climate change because climate change would wipe them out except that
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they may have rapidly changed their own genetic nature to adapt now why do you think there would be a
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research about the genetic structure of polar bears and then and then blaming that on climate change
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could it be because everything else they blamed on climate change turned out to be bs
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the coral reefs are recovering the ice seems to be recovering there doesn't seem to be any any important
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change in sea level and we had no major storms reach landfall in the united states this year
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so pretty much all the stuff that the climate people tried to scare us about turned down not to be true
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so they're running out of stuff so if you still want to be a climate change person or this was reported by abc news
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if you want to still keep with the climate crisis you're going to need some new stuff
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so i think the new stuff is wait look what's happening to the polar bears oh surprise they survived by
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now one of the things this makes me wonder if you were a scientist and i'm certainly not
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that well do scientists think that the worst other scientists are climate change scientists
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if you were a physicist would you say to yourself ooh those climate scientists are the smart ones or or
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would you say that the people who can't be good scientists become climate scientists
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if you're actually a scientist would you think that climate scientists are as
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as serious and talented as other scientists or would you say
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or you or would you say that they're the laughing stock
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of scientists i don't know the answer to that question but
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when i see stuff like this i think hmm i don't think that was the most serious science that was happening
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all right here's some more science from eric dolan who he's writing about this in cyprus uh the headline
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is that some men may downplay climate change risks to avoid appearing feminine
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do you think that do you think that apparently there's a big difference in opinion between men and women
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on the risks of climate change men are less likely to think it's a
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existential risk and women are far more likely do you think the reason for that
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is that the men according to the study that the men are trying to avoid looking feminine
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so they think it's just sort of tougher to not be afraid of climate science
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is it also possible that this was written by women or men who are married to women
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the other possibility is that men are better at evaluating physical risk
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so are men trying to be less feminine or are they just better at evaluating risk
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but it does suggest that whoever wrote the opinion that the real problem here is men trying to appear
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less feminine that looks like it was written by a woman
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or a man who was married to a woman and wanted to stay that way
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so parmar lucky the billionaire head of uh anduril he seems to be doing a lot of public
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podcasting and interviews and stuff lately and i always enjoy reading his opinions
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but he seems to be part of what i'm seeing as a growing billionaire trend
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and when i say billionaire trend i mean the billionaires i seem to like the most
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that the billionaires need to use their their power and their money to make the world a better place
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now not being forced to do it not being forced by the government to do it or taxed or something
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was simply because of the best allocating capital
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so if you had a billion dollars floating around and you said what are we going to do with it would
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you rather give the billion dollars to oh let's say tim waltz in minnesota
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or gavin newsom in california or somebody like elon musk who definitely knows how to deploy capital
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um so i saw chamath from the allen pod saying that the billionaires need to do a better job of
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providing obvious benefits to the public the way the old billionaires used to do in turn of the century
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the other turn of the century and uh that's probably good advice because i think if they're doing
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things like creating public libraries you know the old billionaire stuff or in today's world if they're
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i don't know building cities that could make people happier or maybe they're helping to you know treat
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problems that the government is not treating maybe they're making health care affordable
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uh maybe they're making transportation affordable so that the billionaires need to step up and the
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alternative would be um you know being taxed that of the money and then the the money goes where it would
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not be well employed so apparently uh palmer lucky is trying to convince some of his other billionaire friends
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uh to spend less time on their yachts and more time trying to deploy capital
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in what makes sense so if you see elon musk and chamath and palmer lucky all the same side of a topic
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i saw brett weinstein give an opinion on childhood vaccines that i thought was
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very close to my own opinion but he does such a good job of communicating i thought i'd tell you how he
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explains it so brett said quote i believe the adverse events from regular old vaccines so we're not
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talking about covet just the vaccines that kids get are the that the adverse effects are far more common
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than we imagined including things like allergies so he thinks his weed allergy might be because of
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something called adjuvants that uh were in his early childhood vaccinations he said one of his sons has
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seasonal allergies uh they're pretty bad the other has an allergy to dairy that's pretty bad
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um and then he says given all that education that i've now painfully received meaning he's done a pretty
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deep dive on the vaccine world and he is you know qualified to understand that stuff scientifically if
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i had to do it all over again i would not end up giving any vaccines to my newborn children wow i'm so glad
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that i don't have newborn children because this would be i mean this is a big decision
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used to used to feel like it was automatic like of course you get vaccinations you know the scientists
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all say you should do it of course you would but here's what brett says he says this this is the important part
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he says i'm not saying it's impossible that any of them are more beneficial than they are harmful
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but now i know that i cannot trust the safety testing so his opinion is based on the fact
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that that we now know that the safety testing has been inadequate forever so
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be being very careful here he's not saying he knows that these are the problem
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he is saying he knows that you can't tell and that his personal decision if he had to make it now
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would be to not vaccinate children that is pretty extreme but also i would say perfectly backed up by
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observation and i'm obviously not qualified to do a deep dive on vaccinations but he is and he has
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and so it's pretty shocking uh development so how much did you use to trust science and how much do you
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trust it today was there ever a time when you thought the climate scientists were nailing it
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and that they were totally legit and that the big pharma must have been forced to do good science or else
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the stuff wouldn't be approved and now it kind of looks the opposite doesn't it now we know that at
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least half of all scientific studies are not reproducible we watched the pandemic
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pervert science like we didn't think was possible and now we're coming to understand that even climate
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science you know one of the biggest most important domains we thought was probably full of the least
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qualified scientists who were not exactly being scientific they may have just been following the money if
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you know what i mean so that goes all the way back to do you vaccinate your baby
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that's a big difference from even what i thought i mean i've been skeptical about the power of science
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and how much might be fraudulent i've been skeptical for a long time but not this skeptical
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i mean i've just fallen off a ledge in terms of trusting science
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probably some of you too well remember i keep saying that if robots were going to be launched in 2026
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uh general kind they could learn something and be your butler that we would already see them in the lab
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well interestingly uh sawyer marathon x is reporting that tesla has uh you know a bunch of new job
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openings for their optimist robot program and uh elon musk was saying that the optimist version 3
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which must be the version of working on in the lab um has a new hand that's an incredible piece of engineering
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so apparently i've heard elon say this before that the optimist robot hand has finally broken through
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to be like just super sensitive and and good and if you can't get the hand right
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you'll never have a proper robot because and apparently all the robot companies can make a robot that walks
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and you know lifts heavy objects but it's really hard according to elon to get a hand but they believe
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they have now achieved you know the sensitivity and the and the dexterity of a human hand
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so what musk says is the new hand is an incredible piece of engineering and then he says we'll have
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a production intent prototype meaning they intend it to be production ready to show in february or march
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of this year 2026. so they'll be able to show you a prototype then then he says we're going to build
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one million unit production lines and they hope production will start by the end of 2026. so
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uh remember my caution that if it's not already as smart as it needs to be
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how do we know it will ever get there in one year because i don't think llms you know the current
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technology can get you a general purpose general intelligence robot but is there something happening
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in the labs at tesla that they know that we don't know this suggests that within a year that that they're
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so certain they'll have that that they would already start on a production line
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i don't know i can't tell how much that is optimism and the fact that musk might think
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well even if i don't know how to do it today a year is a long time in ai
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and by then i will know how to do it now keep in mind the minute they figure out how to do it
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and the it in this case is making a general intelligence robot the moment they know how to do
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it all the robots will have that ability because it's just the downloads it's just software
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so again i don't want to bet against elon musk on robots or technology or anything about the future
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he has a good track record of prediction but maybe i would disagree with him on the timing
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it would be really hard that by the end of 2026 we invented this thing that i don't think anybody
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has an idea how to invent you know why why would it be this year if we went all this time without
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knowing how to do it up till now would the current ais tell us how to make a better ai
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i don't know if that's possible would the current ais be able to iterate all the different ways you
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can create intelligence until they hit one maybe i don't know but by now i would have expected to see
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general intelligence if they're going to start selling it at the end of the year
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end of 2026 so we'll see well greg abbott governor of texas is going to create a chief state prosecutor
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to prosecute the criminals that the lefty prosecutors refuse to prosecute
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um so texas is pretty serious about the crime and everybody knows that if you got rid of the
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worst of the criminals the worst of the worst i'm not even talking about immigration not just crime
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if you got rid of the ones that are the repeat offenders your your violent crime rate would go down
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by 80 percent immediately because 80 percent of the crimes are the same criminals doing one crime after
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another but if you had soros funded prosecutors they're making things worse instead of better
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because they'd be releasing the criminals you know and maybe they shouldn't and the work around
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that uh greg abbott is proposing is to have a chief state prosecutor that would go after those people
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that the regular prosecutors had decided to release is that a good idea what do you think well i take a
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sip of water here i think one of my meds is making me dry mouth
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all right so you know that on the political right there's been some drama among the influencers and you
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know that i've tried to completely stay out of it because i don't find value in that kind of drama
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but yesterday or recently a little thing popped up that i thought i could add a reframe to that would be useful
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and it starts with the story of um i guess the background is people like jack bosobiec and mark
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levin have some kind of drama background disagreement or something and that part i'm not
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interested in but there was an event recently where uh at the turning point usa where a number of public
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figures were giving selfies because that's sort of what you do in an event like that you get a number
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of public figures the public wants you know we we don't do autographs anymore we public figures we
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mostly do selfies so there are a lot of selfies and uh i guess somebody who was a had a nick fuentes
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inspired t-shirt had a selfie taken with jack bosobiec and then jack was challenged to hey you know why
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are you taking a selfie with somebody with such a terrible meme on his t-shirt
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uh now that's the sort of problem that nobody needs and uh i'll give you a little uh context on
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that and then my opinion of what's the best way to handle it now the first thing you need to know is
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who the hell is nick fuentes and i would i would frame it this way he's not on the left
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he's a very popular uh podcast and very provocative i'll tell you why so he's not on the left because
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he's conservative but he's also a trump hater so he's not really on the mega right or the mega left
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so what is he because he's got a large and growing audience i feel like the best way to understand them
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is the turd in the punch bowl analogy so i'll give you a i'll give you a little mental model here let's
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say you went to a party and it was a mixed party there were old people and young people and people of
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all type at the party and somebody put a turd in the punch bowl like not a not a joke turd
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like an actual turd and they put it right in the punch bowl and then ran away and nobody saw them do
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it well what would happen well first of all the women attending the party would say i'm out of here
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this is not the kind of party i want to be at there's a turn in the punch bowl so women will leave
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the older men would say oh god who did that you know we're gonna have to find who did that and you know
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you know there has to be consequences so they would also leave the party because they don't
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want to be at a party with a turd and punch bowl but the young men the young men would think it's the
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funniest thing that happened to them all week and even if the party shut down they would gather in the
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in the parking lot and they would laugh uproariously at the fact that somebody put a turd in the punch bowl
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now what you need to know is that uh nick fuentes who is verbally gifted and very good at the whole
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you know public speaking thing is closer to a turn in the punch bowl than he is to any of the attendees
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so if you if you think of him as sort of a train wreck where you can't look away then you would
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understand why his audience of mostly young men is growing and enthusiastic then if you add on top of
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that that young men feel feel not they feel like they're not served by the current system
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then it's not unusual that they would have a you know burn down the system kind of approach to life
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they wouldn't respect the system but they would like a good prank when they saw it so they'd actually be
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attached not attached to they would be attracted to the fact that somebody put a turd in the punch bowl
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because they're they're not respecting the system the system doesn't respect them
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and it's not that they're in favor of turds that this is the important part they're not in favor of turds
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they're not drinking the punch they're just can't look away because it's a it's a show that is a
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spectacle all right so with that in mind if you imagine him as the turn in the punch bowl um someone
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who had a a t-shirt meme that was i understand inspired by fuentes that involved the worst thing you
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could imagine which obviously i disavow because you know i'm an older i'm an older man obviously i
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disavow it uh which had some kind of cookie monster connection to the holocaust and don't don't make me
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spell it out it's just where whatever's the worst thing you can imagine so that was uninsured so this
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fellow asked for who was also an influencer it turns out asked for a uh selfie with jack sabik who gave it
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to him uh along with lots of other selfies that he was doing that day and um it would be unusual
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for any normal person to have known that that t-shirt was connected to fuentes or even what it meant it
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it wasn't an obvious uh connection but if you were deep into that world you might recognize that
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but normal people would not have known what it was so it caught my attention because mark levitin
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who must have some prior bigger disagreement with jack wrote a what looked like a drunken uncle
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rant about wow you need to explain you know explain this basically i'm summarizing now i'm not saying
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that levit was drunk when he wrote the message because i don't even know if he drinks but it came off that
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way if you had just been introduced to him for the first time his content and you and the only thing
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you knew is what he wrote on that one post it would look like maybe the eggnog was involved uh so it
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seemed like it was pretty extreme and i imagine that had to do with their background not so much with this
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specific event but i would like to give you a reframe uh in my typical goals versus systems way you know
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i often tell you uh you know sometimes it's useful to have a goal but it's not going to be useful unless
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you've got a system that makes sense so i would argue because i i got some feedback from people in
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comments when i weighed in on that um somebody said that they they needed to know and here they would
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be talking about jack that they needed to know what he believed because he was one of the people asking
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for unity so if somebody's going to ask you to unify with them is it a reasonable goal to know what
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it is you're unifying with to which i say yes as a goal it would be good to know what people believe
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if they want you to join them in their belief or or even in their activities you don't have to join
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them in the belief but yeah that would be a worthy goal however it would be a terrible system
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to use a stranger's t-shirt as a starting point with that conversation especially if you're at a
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charlie kirk inspired event the main thing that charlie kirk inspired in my opinion and one of the
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things i respect the most about him is that he tried to turn everything into a civilized
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um debate in which anybody could ask anybody anything and you would get an honest answer to it
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that's pretty much what he was doing he was going places and say ask me anything and i'll give you my
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honest you know opinion so if you happen to be an event in which the entire vibe is that you can ask
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anybody their opinion and they will give you a respectful opinion you don't need to start the
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conversation based on a turn in the punch bowl and the shirt he's wearing because if you start there
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you're just automatically gonna you know open up this side conversation that you don't need
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it would be far better to ask somebody about a shirt they were wearing so if in fact you know i'm wearing
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a shirt that offends you it certainly makes sense that you should ask do you believe what's on your
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own shirt of course but don't ask me to defend someone else's meme on a shirt that normal people
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wouldn't even recognize as being offensive that's not a good starting point the starting point is you
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just ask jack jack what is your opinion on this or that and he would give you a respectful reply
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anyway so i don't think anybody needs to apologize or explain
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someone else's shirt just because they took a selfie with them and i would also say there will
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always be a audience for the turn in the punch bowl now if you're in my category which is people who
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don't like turds and punch balls what do you do about it is it your job to fix it and if it is your job
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to fix it let's just say from a social perspective you don't want to identify with something that's
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you know so bad well i can i think it kind of depends who you are uh i have the arrogant opinion
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that if someone who is young and had a very bad opinion that's which is way over the line
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you're just way over the line into inappropriate that if they associate with me
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that over time they would moderate their opinion because i would have a positive influence on them
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what i don't believe would ever happen and maybe this is just my own arrogance i don't believe that
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if i took a selfie with or spend time with or tolerated someone who had a wholly inappropriate
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opinion that somehow that would rub off on me i think it only works in one direction in my case
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so in my case being an influential type person you know by by practice and by nature i guess i feel that
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young people would sort of drift on their own without me being heavy-handed about it
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to eventually be like an older man's opinion and you start being less impressed by the turd and the
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punch bowl and and more interested in being part of the solution you know sort of the palmer lucky thing
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be part of the solution so that's my my reframe is you can certainly ask a person their own opinion
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but it would be a bad system to start with what do you think about that stranger's shirt bad way to start
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all right now i'm trying desperately not desperately but i don't want to get dragged into the actual
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um debate you know i think there's plenty of room for people to have different opinions but different
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opinions is not what the turd and the punch bowl is about that's more about the spectacle
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um so i don't have to be yes or no on the fuentes question i simply have to be a good job of being me
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and maybe that will have some influence on some of the younger all right next next
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i saw a uh on the x account arch archaeo histories um i'd always wondered about this the origin of the
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dunning krueger effect now you've heard of dunning krueger right that's where people who know the
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least often have the most confidence about the rightness so the less you know the more confident
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you can be well apparently that was based on one or at least it was triggered by one story that back in
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1995 there was a bank robber who believed that if he put lemon juice on his face when he robbed the bank
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the bank cameras wouldn't be uh wouldn't be able to see him and his his thinking was that since lemon
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juice was a component of invisible ink that therefore logically if you put lemon juice on your face
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uh it would make you invisible on camera now that is not the case it turns out and he actually smiled at
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the camera because he was so sure that he would be invisible so he easily got caught because his face was
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quite identifiable on the camera and he was surprised and he exclaimed reportedly quote but i wore the juice
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the juice now i guess there were some researchers who heard that story and thought we have to look into
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this what's up with that and then through research they discovered that it is common for people who know
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the least in this case he didn't know much about cameras or invisible ink to be the most confident
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and indeed he was confident because he actually robbed the bank thinking he was safe so i just mentioned
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that because i think it's fun to know where that came from and it's a slow news day
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i'm looking at the comments to see somebody had tony robbins comments here let me see that
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if i can make that tony robbins if you i can't stop the comments if you're if you just ignore problems
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with your thinking then you get in trouble no i don't i don't think ignoring problems is always
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the right way to go i'm not sure i understand that comment so i'm gonna let that go
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anyway according to news busters craig banister is writing
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that uh facts flip voters view of the trump economy so the thesis here um is basically the fact that
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trump did it and addressed the nation recently and he mentioned all the economic successes
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and apparently the mainstream networks seem to have somehow locked down the graphics
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that would show how right he was about the economy being better in all these different different ways
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so that would explain why some of the public still thinks that the economy is bad
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it could be because they're just being blocked from seeing the evidence that is good
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now i don't know if you've had this experience yet but if you watch
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news from the right leading places it will universally say man this economy is good from inflation to
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employment to gdp you can't beat it and they'll have numbers to back it up weirdly democrats could do the
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same thing and do with their argument that the economy is actually bad so they've got their own set of
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uh their own set of alleged data that would show that the economy is bad in a bunch of ways
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so is the economy good or is the economy bad well um if we uh if we let's let's say put a pin in that
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question and rather we look at the fact can people be persuaded by being told real facts about the
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economy or will they be so dunning kruger and so biased that even if they had access to really reliable
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information that was the opposite of what they had currently believed would they change their minds
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and the research suggests that they would change their minds and that if they had seen what they
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believed to be accurate information that said that the economy is doing well that fairly drastically
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people would say oh i guess the economy is doing well but if they do not have access to that new
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better information then they would not change their mind which would suggest that the main
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street media might know that and that's the reason that they don't emphasize uh trump and his graphics
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showing everything getting better now that's that's pot let me use the numbers uh
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in a survey conducted in mid-december 56 percent of u.s voter surveys said they believe the economy is getting
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worse well only 37 percent said it was getting better now this is mid-december then uh once voters were
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informed of the facts and again you could debate whether these are the real facts or not but uh let's
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let's say these trump facts the number slipped and the percent who said the economy is improving jumped
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25 points from 37 to 62 while pessimism plummeted from 56 to 33 so that um and so the the allegation here
00:42:38.160
is that the mainstream media has to hide the truth because the truth would tell people that the economy is
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doing well maybe maybe the other possibility is that the democrats have some data of their own
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and since most data is fake even if you agree with it most data from the left most data from the right
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it's hard to trust any data in 2025 26 it feels like no matter where you're looking you're getting weird data
00:43:14.000
i'm seeing in the comments where do you get your news scott um i i gave a long description of where i got my
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news the other day because that's a good question but i do sample you know cnn and msn now and um i always
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listen to jessica uh tarloff on the five so i try to get both sides and especially eclipse you know so i get
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clips to show both sides uh that was a good question so the answer is i sample both sides or try to
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so um and online i don't know if he'd be an influencer or a independent journalist or what
00:44:02.080
you call him but somebody called nick shirley put out a video in which he went to minnesota and
00:44:09.200
look for fraud on his own because you know there have been allegations that the the somalis especially
00:44:17.920
have been stealing mass amounts of money and i guess he was trying to figure out how hard it would be to
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spot the frauds and the answer is it is alarmingly easy so he went to a number of places that alleged
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that they were uh taking government money and using it for charitable reasons and almost every one of
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them was a storefront or an empty store and very obviously not in the business of helping anybody so
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the shocking part is he alleges he found 110 million dollars in one day of what looked like fraudulent
00:45:02.640
money transfers to fraudulent fake entities and if he could do it with just his microphone and his camera
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and a plane ticket how hard was it for minnesota itself to know that that was going on
00:45:19.440
if you could uncover it that easily and it's what i'm i'm not adding to the story that the fraud exists
00:45:30.320
that part we knew what he added to the story is that anybody could have seen it it was just right down
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in the open i mean you had to ask a couple of questions and walk around a little bit but you
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didn't have to be like sherlock holmes it was right there so elon musk commented on that video uh with uh
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just three words prosecute governor tim woltz prosecute governor tim woltz four words
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now do you think that you could prosecute the governor
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um or that if you looked into it you would find evidence that you could because there's no way to
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believe that he was unaware well here's the weird thing governor woltz does not have obvious signs of
00:46:26.320
wealth does he does it look like he you know made millions of dollars because he doesn't live any kind
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of a lifestyle as far as we know it would suggest that he's you know spending a lot of money he could
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be packing away if in fact he's criminal he could be uh maybe he had been blackmailed or threatened
00:46:54.640
so he had to keep it quiet so he could stay safe i have no evidence of that
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but uh elon musk of course has dug deeper and all these things that you and i have
00:47:06.960
so when he says prosecute tim woltz some of that might be that it seems obviously he couldn't have
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not known some of it might be that tim woltz has tried to prosecute elon musk and tried to destroy his
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companies tried really hard to destroy his companies and he did it publicly that uh you're just seeing
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an obvious kind of response to that but i am curious if tim woltz was massively incompetent
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or was he threatened to stay quiet he might have been threatened might have been too dangerous to be
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even a whistleblower himself or so incompetence crime or is he a victim himself i doubt he's a victim
00:48:01.440
so according to wall street apes also an ex portland oregon spent 1.5 billion in the last two years of
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the homelessness and yet the homelessness population rose by 60 percent so that's a bad result and by
00:48:19.520
comparison houston texas spent only 72 million so we're not talking billions just millions on homelessness
00:48:29.120
and their homelessness went out by 60 percent all right so democrats spent a massive amount of money
00:48:38.320
and things went in the wrong direction texas spent a good deal of money but just a fraction
00:48:45.760
and things went strongly in the right direction how do you explain that
00:48:51.680
well a reasonable assumption is that democrats are laundering money and they're a criminal organization
00:48:59.520
and they did not do the things that you would obviously do to reduce
00:49:03.840
uh homelessness but rather they stole it now i'm not sure that's what's happening
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but it sure looks like it doesn't it it looks a little steely
00:49:30.240
apparently over in china according to interesting engineering china did some kind of demonstration
00:49:37.680
with robots and hackers and found that one hacked robot could in fact other hack could in fact other
00:49:47.440
robots just by being near it so one robot could if it had been hacked into doing something evil could co-opt
00:49:57.200
another robot uh without using the internet because the thing we worried about is if all the robots are on
00:50:05.680
the internet somebody would hack the ball or or the bad robot would have access to the other robots
00:50:12.160
and the logo but it would make this awesome movie where if one robot got near another robot it could
00:50:20.960
instantly hack it and co-opt it into being evil and so i asked the following question
00:50:29.360
in order to create robots that smart you're going to have some kind of form of ai
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could the ai or a version of ai be the thing that protects the other robots from hackers
00:50:45.280
in other words can you build a robot that would have sort of a separate ai brain
00:50:52.800
that did nothing but watch the rest of the robot to make sure it had not gotten hacked
00:50:57.920
and is that the only way that you could prevent a high intelligence robot from hacking another robot
00:51:09.040
is to have ai that's just like a a sentry so that's what i predict i think humans would not be fast
00:51:17.680
enough to respond to a hacker robot hacking other robots but if the robot that's being attacked
00:51:27.200
has its own ai sentry built into it that you can't get to with any kind of ai
00:51:35.840
and then notice some change happening the rest of the robot could shut it down
00:51:42.640
so i think that might be the model just guessing speaking of china interesting engineering says that
00:51:51.360
china's starting some of their cargo vessels of which they have massive numbers use china does so much
00:51:59.120
shipping that they just have massive numbers of cargo ships it looks like they found a way
00:52:05.680
and this is not confirmed but videos are showing it looks like they're putting some kind of
00:52:23.600
that china is trying to create a situation where if war happened
00:52:27.280
um they could quickly militarize their massive fleet of of commercial ships
00:52:37.280
now that would be a really good strategy it seems to me those ships would be a little bit vulnerable to attack
00:52:43.440
but they have so many of them that if you imagine that war breaks out and suddenly
00:52:49.840
suddenly china has 10 000 ships that are warships
00:52:54.880
probably presumably an interesting military strategy but again i feel like those ships would be so
00:53:05.120
vulnerable to attack from you know unmanned missiles and drones that they would get so quickly
00:53:14.720
unless some of the military hardware you're putting on the ships is some kind of amazing
00:53:21.520
you know anti-missile anti-drone lasers uh on top of the offensive weapons
00:53:34.000
well there's some teacher according to breitbart there's a teacher in the uk
00:53:40.800
who has been referred to the uk terror program i didn't know they had a terror program
00:53:47.040
because he showed some uh donald trump videos so apparently if you're a school teacher in england
00:53:54.800
and you even show a video of trump uh you could be you could be accused of being a terrorist
00:54:03.440
and referred to some kind of terrorist handling thing and i guess this program was established to
00:54:11.920
to stop people from becoming radicalized so the uk is so afraid of trump
00:54:20.960
that they make it illegal to show young people trump videos
00:54:26.000
now i suppose it might matter which video you're showing them but what has trump ever done
00:54:32.560
that would be so dangerous that it would radicalize the youth to become terrorists that's pretty crazy
00:54:43.600
speaking of trump let's see what's happening elsewhere in the world i guess netanyahu is going to visit
00:54:50.080
trump on monday for what's called a crucial um conversation about what's going to happen in gaza
00:54:59.200
now if you have a situation and i think we do in which what's good for america and what's good for trump
00:55:11.600
is that the gaza thing is fixed in some way that's acceptable to you know uh at least america right but
00:55:22.720
netanyahu does not represent america his job is to represent israel and it seems pretty clear
00:55:30.960
that netanyahu does not want to let's say give up his military control of gaza which might be a
00:55:40.400
requirement to get to whatever the peace plan calls for so let's say you have a situation which we do in
00:55:49.760
which the interest of the president of the united states and arguably america itself is to get this
00:55:56.480
thing settled and and to do that they need some things that israel with its current government would
00:56:05.520
never agree to so they're never going to agree to a two-state solution when netanyahu is in charge
00:56:12.160
and they're never going to agree to give up security in gaza so how would you predict how that turns out
00:56:24.080
well if i were israel time would seem to be on my side because eventually trump will be out of office
00:56:32.880
and he might be the only president strong enough to you know move israel in a way they don't want to move
00:56:42.720
so if netanyahu and again i'm just speculating because i can't read minds but it seems to me that
00:56:50.000
israel has time on their side and they can outweigh trump unless trump puts so much pressure on him
00:56:59.680
that like pressure they've never seen before that netanyahu caves but even then it feels like israel
00:57:10.560
could have weighed him out because even if they agreed today to do xyz and even if they did those things
00:57:19.120
they could reverse it they just have to wait three years so
00:57:24.160
so the thing i'd be looking for in these conversations is whether israel agrees to
00:57:32.640
anything that looks like it would solve this problem in a way that trump would be happy
00:57:40.160
and i'm thinking that the only logical way this is going to go is that they will not agree or netanyahu
00:57:49.200
will agree in a way that he would still kick the can down the road and change his mind later
00:57:55.920
i remind you that i don't have opinions on whether israel is good or bad
00:58:04.240
or any of that i simply observe them as a foreign country that is an ally of the united states
00:58:11.600
my interest is in the united states and uh i'm an observer when it comes to israel just an observer
00:58:21.200
they don't nobody needs no one needs my opinion of what they should be doing
00:58:28.000
but i'll give you an opinion of what you know maybe is the predictable future
00:58:32.720
well there's a report from british scientists that they they think they have a cancer vaccine
00:58:43.760
that could be available within 10 years to which i say every year of my life
00:58:51.840
there has been a cancer vaccine that could be available within 10 years so far not so much
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all right ladies and gentlemen that is the end of my prepared remarks and i believe you need
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a simultaneous step if you joined us late there's still time simul today go
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very good and i remind you that there will be an owen gregorian themed not themed um hosted spaces
00:59:35.440
event right after this you should give them a few minutes to set up whenever he's ready and you can
00:59:43.280
continue the conversation if you happen to be on x
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then spaces is available to you as audio only and if you don't know where to find it search for owen
00:59:55.760
gregorian it'll pop right up you'll see it'll be at the top of his feed on x
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all right was there anything you liked or didn't like about today's show
01:00:10.000
i will take your comments now you find yourself quoting me consistently you know i'm going to do a
01:00:23.040
an x post in a little while not today but sometime soon in which i'm going to ask you
01:00:30.960
to give you to give me some feedback on who i might have influenced be it you or somebody notable because
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i wonder about that myself and i would love to know your opinion of who i've influenced
01:00:48.000
you know one of the things i'd love to influence
01:00:58.400
is the trump pirate ship approach to building a coalition i've always loved the fact that trump could
01:01:07.680
ignore how much he disagrees with you if you're willing to be a pirate on the ship
01:01:13.920
and that's really worked well i i think people respect being included even if you disagree with some
01:01:24.400
of the some or even all of the views as long as you're not um listen as long as it's not personal
01:01:33.200
and if he says hey you're a pirate i'm a pirate
01:01:44.400
i influenced trump by prepping him that kamala was his future opponent well i did predict she would
01:01:51.040
be his future opponent but i doubt i influenced him in some important way about that
01:01:58.800
i did not invent the term trump derangement syndrome that was charles krauhammer i think and it was first
01:02:11.920
introduced not about trump i think it was bush i think it was bush derangement syndrome first
01:02:18.960
um i'm definitely a booster of it but i did not invent it
01:02:30.960
all right how did you like my turn in the punch bowl analogy
01:02:35.920
did that did that clarify i think if you try to take somebody like nick fuentes
01:02:47.920
and jam him into existing uh buckets that you just confuse yourself because he definitely doesn't fit in
01:03:10.240
the other thing i'd love to add is that young men especially are attracted to inappropriate content
01:03:25.680
i see what you're saying there will always be an audience for whatever is the most inappropriate
01:03:52.400
thing you could say in public but that doesn't mean that people will have that opinion all their life
01:04:19.600
someone named myron was wearing a t-shirt that is allegedly inspired by fuentes so that that would be the
01:04:28.240
connection um and i don't know much about the background of any of that
01:04:38.480
that ordinary people would not have recognized as being what it is
01:04:50.400
i'm not too familiar with him except that he's provocative and does some podcasting
01:05:22.000
it you know sort of like uh there's some topics that you can't add to
01:05:30.720
but if you get involved it sticks to you so i don't need that
01:05:51.680
all right just looking at your comments hanging out with you and i'll give uh owen sometimes to set up his
01:06:08.720
some of you like the turd in a punch bowl analogy
01:06:11.520
or another way to say it is you don't really have to spend your time
01:06:18.000
debating whether you do or do not agree with the turd in the punch bowl
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all right i think i've added all i can add today
01:07:21.200
don't blame people for their shirts that they take
01:07:26.240
whether somebody else is wearing during a selfie that's my lesson for the day
01:07:33.440
all right everybody have a great day join owen if you feel the urge i might be there myself later
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i'm usually anonymous when i when i join that chat because i don't want to be taking away the attention
01:07:48.240
but you should know that i'm often in owen gregorian's spaces
01:07:53.040
i just do it anonymously so i can listen to you guys
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and not be this not be the focus of attention all right bye for now