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00:05:51.540I actually shopped that idea around a little bit.
00:05:55.280And I found that nobody was really interested in it, which is interesting.
00:06:00.220When I say nobody, I mean nobody in the administration was interested in it other than to say that's kind of interesting, which is another way of saying we're not doing that.
00:06:10.060And I think that's partly because from their perspective, what they were seeing was that the Iranian regime and their negotiators were completely intransigent.
00:06:17.620They weren't going to budge on anything.
00:06:20.340On the other side, there was no interest from the anti-war people either.
00:06:24.460And that's curious to me because, as Scott points out in Loserthink, you never have an alternative in isolation.
00:06:38.260You can't just say, how do I feel about X without considering the alternative Y?
00:06:43.980So you can say, I'm against war in Iran.
00:06:47.340But you have to have an alternative or compare it to an alternative.
00:06:51.540There's no vacuum in which you can just have one thing without considering the other alternatives or the costs.
00:07:12.220So in the real world of adults, where there are tradeoffs for everything, we have to consider that not going to war doesn't necessarily mean you avoid war.
00:07:22.040So the reason the human rights idea was interesting was it provided an alternative, at least interesting to me.
00:07:29.700So if you were anti-war, this was something that you could have seized on and said, look, there's this idea that is out there of a diplomatic agreement that would avoid war and impose human rights conditions on Iran.
00:07:45.320One, it has a precedent, this happened with the Soviet Union in the 1970s, and eventually we got to where we wanted to be and the Soviets at least signed on to it and got to survive another 15 years or so.
00:08:00.100We can look at that and let people in Iran decide their own future rather than us playing any kind of direct role.
00:08:05.700It was interesting to me that nobody picked up on that from the anti-war side, and it tells me that people weren't really thinking this through, at least in that part of the argument.
00:08:18.620And that's not necessarily a surprise.
00:08:20.960A lot of the debates that we see in social media are, in fact, half opinions, people not really wanting to consider the full range of possibilities.
00:08:29.740One of the things Scott says we should do is think like economists if we can, because economists often anticipate all kinds of different possibilities.
00:08:41.080Or scientists, for example, scientists never fit one explanation to a bunch of different observed phenomena.
00:08:49.120They consider other explanations might be possible, other factors.
00:08:53.780So that was my attempt to provide that alternative.
00:09:01.140And I think the reality is probably more like what the Trump administration was seeing, which is that the Iranian regime was not willing to work with us.
00:09:12.960Now, I want to take another step back and say, what would Scott have thought about going to war generally?
00:09:22.060And one of the reasons he supported Trump was because Trump was very keen on avoiding war and ending war and resolving war while using military force where necessary.
00:09:32.760So Scott was, I think, generally supportive of Trump going after Qasem Soleimani.
00:09:37.760And he was supportive of the result in the 12-day war last summer when we attacked the Iranian nuclear sites.
00:09:46.680But generally, he thought the Iraq war had been a terrible idea.
00:09:50.140And he thought Trump was a refreshing antidote to the establishment politicians who always seemed to want to bomb everything.
00:09:56.320So I think his attitude toward the Iran war would have been skeptical.
00:10:01.760And I want to lay out a few reasons for skepticism.
00:10:06.220Even if it might turn out to have been the best alternative, here are some reasons to be skeptical.
00:10:10.960Number one, we don't know what happens afterwards.
00:10:13.140And I don't think Trump knows what happens either, because the Iranian people, while much more coherent than the Iraqi people in the sense that Iran has been a nation and a civilization for a lot longer, Iraq was sort of cobbled together by colonial powers, carved up out of the map of the Middle East.
00:10:38.240Iran has thousands of years of history.
00:10:41.080It has a fairly sophisticated economy that goes beyond just oil and gas.
00:11:23.100But basically, you've got these different ethnic groups that form large portions of the Iranian population in different regions of the country.
00:11:30.120So you could see the breakup of the Iranian state.
00:11:33.600So we don't really know what's going to happen.
00:11:36.680And we also don't know if it's going to be a democracy.
00:11:40.600We don't know if the Shah or the son of the Shah, who has been making a lot of media appearances in the West lately, if he's going to come back.
00:11:48.500President Trump seemed skeptical of him.
00:12:19.180I don't know if the same thing would happen.
00:12:21.780And Scott also warned against assuming that history would repeat itself.
00:12:27.900And in Loser Think, which is a book I'm going through right now, he says, don't think like historians do.
00:12:34.720He's not disparaging historians, but he's basically using historical thinking as a model for what not to do in the sense that history is not necessarily something that repeats itself.
00:12:43.820So don't assume that because one set of circumstances produced one result, it would necessarily produce the same result the next time through.
00:12:51.080So we might not see bombing and terrorism and all kinds of other things, especially because the ethnic groups are different.
00:13:08.920And if there's a plan, nobody's telling us about it.
00:13:11.080And it seems to be that this is the kind of thing that you want to have people talking about because running a country is something that has to be done publicly.
00:13:19.000So you'd want people talking about it already.
00:13:21.080And I just don't see that really happening just yet.
00:13:38.240There were all kinds of reports in the days before the war that we don't have enough ammunition, for example, because we had sent so much ammunition to the Ukrainians that we didn't have enough to maintain our own war effort for a long time.
00:13:51.200Since then, Trump has said that we have basically unlimited supplies of ammunition.
00:13:57.080We don't know what our own military capabilities are and our own government may not know.
00:14:02.180So that's another reason to be skeptical.
00:14:05.160And then finally, there's just the X factor of unknown events.
00:14:08.960We don't know if this could lead to terrorism.
00:14:12.720We don't know if this could lead China to attack Taiwan because we're tied down in the Middle East.
00:14:19.120We just don't know what other unknowns might emerge.
00:14:23.200And whenever you launch a war, you have the possibility of destabilizing the situation.
00:14:29.920So those are all reasons to be skeptical.
00:14:33.040Reasons not to be skeptical, reasons to be more hopeful.
00:14:36.940Thus far, overwhelmingly, the story has been one of success, military success.
00:14:42.520The United States has taken out the regime's weaponry, the regime's leadership, and the regime did something very stupid, which was attacking all of these Arab countries in the region where the United States has bases or interests as well as Israel.
00:14:57.340And there really can't be much of a strategic goal to that other than to try to influence the media debate by saying, hey, America's war is costing you something.
00:15:09.000But I don't think that that was the effect of what happened.
00:15:12.240And I think it rather tended to rally those countries around the United States, almost proving the case that the Iranian regime was too dangerous and that it was really the common enemy of the other countries in the region, especially the Sunni countries, Sunni Arab countries.
00:15:29.860So I think the Iranians continued to make mistakes.
00:15:35.260And I said before the war, the only way I really saw war happening was if the Iranian regime miscalculated.
00:17:10.080And there are just reasons to look at this thus far as a success.
00:17:13.540Let me talk about China and Russia for a minute.
00:17:15.860And this is where we want to step back and look at what is really going on here.
00:17:21.300So the part of this, I think, that Scott might have actually thought is, I don't want to say good, but at least useful, is the Chinese and Russian piece of this.
00:17:34.200Iran sells almost all of its oil to China because it's under sanctions.
00:17:38.460It can't sell a lot of its oil on the open market.
00:17:42.440And China is heavily dependent on the Middle East for oil still.
00:17:46.040So what President Trump is doing is cutting off a key supply of energy to China.
00:17:52.660He's also cutting off a key military ally.
00:17:56.060And it's clear that Chinese were supplying components to the Iranians.
00:18:00.240I've even seen reports that Iran was building missiles using components and fuel that were supplied by China.
00:18:05.260One report I saw suggested that one of the reasons Trump acted when he did was because there was a danger of reaching a point of no return.
00:18:14.000Iran can build these missiles, apparently, a lot faster than we can build the anti-missile defenses, which are much more sophisticated.
00:18:20.900The interceptors, they call them, the missiles that can catch and destroy other missiles.
00:18:25.840Iran can produce about 100 a month and we can produce maybe 10 a month.
00:18:29.000So the longer this goes on, the more China can export the materials to Iran, the more Iran can reach a point of no return where they would have tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of missiles.
00:18:40.160And we'd only have a few thousand interceptors.
00:18:42.320And Iran could then overwhelm any attempt to stop them.
00:18:45.720So there had to be perhaps that calculation.
00:18:48.420But regardless, now we've cut that off.
00:18:50.040So we've cut off a key point of Chinese influence in the Middle East, and that could raise prices of energy for China and cause some real problems to the Chinese economy.
00:19:00.180And in fact, I've seen a report that China has now encouraged people not to export oil or it's encouraged its own domestic oil industry not to export energy.
00:19:09.080They need all of their resources internally in China right now.
00:19:14.480And Russia gets most of its drone technology from Iran.
00:19:19.380And keep in mind, Trump's been trying to drag Vladimir Putin to the negotiating table.
00:19:24.400And I think that he had the Ukrainians more or less where he wanted them early in this second administration when he was able, after some arguing and some publicly embarrassing exchanges,
00:19:38.260he was able to get Zelensky to agree to accept whatever diplomacy he was going to put forward.
00:19:43.700And then Putin basically took advantage of that by going harder on the military side.
00:19:47.980I think what Trump is trying to do is force Putin to the table by saying, I'm taking away your drone supplier.
00:19:53.420So it could be that by going after Iran and getting rid of the drone supply to Russia, that you make peace more likely in Ukraine.
00:20:02.220So that could be the other piece of this.
00:20:08.780So I'll ask for questions in a second.
00:20:11.360But it's just possible that this war has a much bigger geopolitical aspect to it with regard to confronting China on the one hand, which Scott was in favor of,
00:20:23.340and bringing Russia and Ukraine to the negotiating table on the other hand, which Scott was also in favor of.
00:20:29.560So I think that's a reason to look at this at least as potentially a positive development.
00:20:35.240A lot of it depends on what happens over the next few weeks, and we'll see.
00:20:41.480I do think that although the American public generally is skeptical of war and of this war,
00:20:48.200Trump's supporters are still on board about 80%, according to some polls, with the war,
00:20:54.460as long as it doesn't impose huge costs on the United States and we don't see a lot of Americans dying or boots on the ground exposing people to greater danger and that sort of thing.
00:21:02.920So I think thus far, I'm cautiously optimistic about it, although I think there are some very big risks that we talked about.
00:21:10.740So with that, I'm happy to field any questions you might have.
00:21:21.300I think, you know, I'm learning more about it, but understanding the component of Russia and China and really, like, as everybody says, 3D, 4D chess.
00:21:33.560I mean, the effects that the domino effect could be amazing.
00:21:37.760So, yeah, Owen, I know you definitely do.
00:21:40.900Do you think Israel's agenda is different than the United States?
00:21:45.240And do you think we're actually coordinated with them?
00:21:49.080Because, I mean, I did make a note as I've been watching the coverage that it seems like the stated objectives and the military actions being taken by the United States is primarily taking away the missiles, taking away the capability to strike.
00:22:05.780Whereas it looks to me like, at least the reports are, that Israel is targeting the leadership.
00:22:11.360They're trying to take out down the Ayatollah.
00:22:14.580They're trying to take down all the replacements, all the leadership, all the military leadership, political leadership.
00:22:22.320And do you think Israel's objectives are kind of at odds with what the United States is doing?
00:22:27.880And do you think there will come a point where we may, you know, for example, want to stop and Israel wants to keep going?
00:22:34.140Want to go electric without sacrificing fun?
00:23:16.920I think right now both sides want to get rid of the Iranian regime, and that would be victory for both sides.
00:23:23.820For Israel, getting rid of the regime means not being under constant existential threat because the regime has vowed for many decades to get rid of Israel.
00:23:32.520So the Israelis would like to see the Iranian regime replaced.
00:23:36.900The American goal for a long time was not to replace the Iranian regime, and I actually thought a couple weeks ago that it might be better to have the regime weakened but still in place as long as they continue to become weaker over time.
00:23:57.160The president may have had better intelligence on that, understanding that they were either closer to a nuclear weapon or that they were still gaining strength in conventional terms, and so they weren't going to be able to be brought to some kind of weaker position through a diplomatic agreement.
00:24:14.340I don't think there's any divergence right now.
00:24:17.280I do think that we have broader interests than the Israelis.
00:24:22.120The Israelis don't necessarily share our interests on Russia and China.
00:24:27.800They're a small country, so they don't think in those terms.
00:24:31.660There has been a sort of, I don't want to say conflict, but there's been a tension between the U.S. and Israel for quite some time, maybe about a quarter of a century or so, over Israel's trade relationships with China and Russia.
00:24:46.260And until about a decade ago, Israel had pretty warm trade relations with China, for example.
00:24:52.040Also, a significant proportion of Israelis are former Soviet citizens.
00:24:58.140There was a huge wave of emigration from the post-Soviet world to Israel over the last 30 years.
00:25:04.100So Israel had reasons to have closer relationships with Russia and China, and we have had a problem with that.
00:25:10.540We have told the Israelis, you can't trade certain things with China.
00:25:14.420You can't sell certain things to Russia.
00:25:16.060And, for example, there's a big port deal in Haifa, Israel's main Mediterranean port, that we have a problem with because the Israelis, in an earlier, friendlier era, before even we took China seriously as a threat, the Israelis made a deal where China could build its own port terminal, basically, in Haifa.
00:25:36.100And I think they've even allowed them to open another one because it was in the contract that they originally signed.
00:25:40.480So we've had a problem with Israel's close relations, and the Israelis, trying to comply with what we want, have scrambled to try to unravel some of these relationships.
00:25:51.240But that's where I think the interests diverge.
00:25:53.520The Israelis aren't playing that same game.
00:25:56.180I think, in a sense, they're glad that we are playing that game in this war because it means that our interests line up with theirs with regard to Iran.
00:26:03.520But I think if you just look at the situation in isolation in the Middle East, and I'll just be honest with you as someone who supports Israel very strongly, I thought that Israel's interests were served by not having a war.
00:26:18.240That was my assessment of it, that because the war could go any way, it could go in any direction, you know, because of all the unknowns and because Israelis are tired of war.
00:26:29.420You know, we sit here and I'm sitting at a dining room table talking to you.
00:26:34.540Most of my Israeli friends are in bomb shelters underground, and they post cute videos online of parties in the basement and things like that.
00:26:41.720But in reality, it's pretty uncomfortable.
00:26:44.300And I think that the Israeli people are ready to move on.
00:26:52.740They don't want to endure this anymore.
00:26:56.160So they would prefer not to have a war.
00:26:58.420I think they support the war because they understand that getting rid of Iran means they would be more secure in the future.
00:27:03.960But I think the gains of the last three years for Israel were so significant that you almost wouldn't want to jeopardize them by risking them on another war.
00:27:13.200So I am a little bit – I mean, I'm not surprised by it because people have conspiracy theories about everything.
00:27:19.540But I don't agree at all that Israel dragged the United States into a war.
00:27:25.320I think, if anything, this was a situation where the leaders of both countries agreed that there was an opportunity to take out the Iranian leadership, but that this was not necessarily a war that would have been in Israel's interest at least right now, other than the fact that the United States was ready for it, that Iran had not negotiated in good faith with Trump, and that the Iranian leaders were all gathered in one place at one time.
00:27:53.240I'll just say something small about that.
00:27:56.480Apparently, the Israelis had the intelligence that the Iranian leadership was all in one place at one time.
00:28:01.260And that was the same situation that happened in 2024 when all the Hezbollah leaders were together in Lebanon.
00:28:09.540Israel basically dropped a bomb on their leadership and essentially won the war in one attack.
00:28:14.820And it looks like the Iranian leadership basically made the same silly mistake.
00:28:22.740No, because I think the Israelis have done such a good job of penetrating the communications networks in these places that I think the Iranians, like the Lebanese terrorists, were convinced that only face-to-face meeting would work.
00:28:37.680They couldn't talk like we're talking now because it would be intercepted by somebody.
00:28:41.220And so that's just a result of a kind of relentless, covert espionage and war over time.
00:28:49.100I was a little surprised that the Iranian leadership would do that.
00:28:51.860But the other thing that they've said is that, or I've seen reports of this, that they assume the Israelis wouldn't attack during the day because it's more typical for Israel to launch air attacks at night than during the day in broad daylight when you can see the planes.
00:29:05.780And so I think they just assumed they were going to be safer.
00:29:09.660So I think some of this might just have been triggered by opportunity.
00:29:13.460In other words, all of these costs and benefits to various different plans and options might have been on the table before President Trump and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.
00:29:22.100And all of that might have been worth whatever it was worth.
00:29:24.840But then all of a sudden they knew this event was going to happen, that all of these people were going to be in one place at one time.
00:29:29.520And they might have only known with a few hours advance notice.
00:29:32.320And that might have changed the calculation altogether because if you can take out the entire leadership at once, maybe the costs of the war are a lot lower and that changes everything.
00:29:41.460So that might have been what triggered it rather than all these other broader decision-making items.
00:29:47.940So what's your reaction to the comments from the Iranian foreign minister?
00:29:53.380He's talking a strong game like we were planning for this for decades and we actually lulled the United States into thinking they could do this and we wanted them to do it and we're going to fight forever and we have this capability that can go on forever.
00:30:07.640And, you know, he's he's talking almost like he thinks they're winning and that that we're doing exactly what he wanted us to do.
00:30:15.280It all seems like BS to me, but I just wanted to get your take on it.
00:30:19.760Well, I think it probably is BS, but we can't know.
00:30:22.280I mean, the reason we can't know is because of the unknowns that remain.
00:30:26.620And what it what we're seeing right now is that the Iranian regime, the core of the regime is still intact.
00:31:47.480I mean, they might have drawn us into a situation where we have all the negatives of a war, including hurting our international reputation and domestic political problems in a midterm election year while they get to survive.
00:32:02.300And then if they survive, they come back stronger.
00:32:04.560And then maybe they race to a nuclear weapon if they can still build one, assuming we haven't taken out their capacity entirely.
00:32:10.380And then they'll use it at the first opportunity because they'll say, look, we have no choice.
00:32:42.080And I think the reason they feel that way is that there are fewer and fewer missile attacks.
00:32:47.420So even though people are still in the shelters, a lot of the time the attacks are less frequent, they're less deadly.
00:32:55.200The worst ones were in the first 48 hours of the war.
00:32:58.720And also the attacks from Iran's terrorist proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas haven't been as bad as they would have been a few years ago.
00:33:07.020Hezbollah has no capacity to fire at Israel the way it once did.
00:33:10.580So I think people feel like over time this is getting better in the sense that the defense position in Israel is getting stronger.
00:33:18.800Again, though, I think Israelis, if you talk to Israelis, what they just want is to be safe.
00:33:24.180And they have felt unsafe for a long time.
00:33:27.340They felt safe during the first Trump administration.
00:33:29.660The Biden years were pretty terrible because Israel's enemies felt emboldened to attack them.
00:33:34.720And I think Trump is restoring a sense of security, but it takes so much more work to do once you've lost that sense of security and you've emboldened the enemies to do all kinds of horrible things.
00:33:46.160And so I think that it's going to take a while to get there.
00:33:50.760But once Iran folds, and I do think it's more likely that it will than that it'll survive, I think you could see things happen fairly quickly.
00:33:58.580It's possible the outcomes could be really, really good.
00:34:03.280So, you know, again, the big risk for Trump in all of this is just how many unknowns there are.
00:34:08.600And you have to think that given his aversion to war in general, he had to see a pretty big set of payoffs down the line to do this.
00:34:17.040And I guess skeptics have been wrong so often when it comes to analyzing what Trump's doing that you almost want to give him the benefit of the doubt.
00:34:24.900But I think we have to just wait and see what happens.
00:34:27.940Before we let you go, do you want to give us a quick, quick update on your loser governor?
00:34:41.340So Newsom is doing very unhelpful things.
00:34:46.340So one thing, for example, I'm involved in the effort to try to rebuild Pacific Palisades, my town.
00:34:53.540And one of the things that's helpful is if local leaders say to the president who's offering to help, thank you, Mr. President.
00:35:04.320We may not agree on ICE and we may not agree on Iran and we may not agree on this other stuff, but we want to work with you and we want to rebuild the town in time for the Olympics and all of that.
00:35:15.560So. So. Mayor Bass, who I thought should have resigned after the fire, is actually doing that.
00:35:23.480She's actually saying, hey, we'll work with the Trump administration.
00:35:26.600OK, that's the mayor. That's like the left wing borderline communist mayor, sort of like Zoran Mamdani is saying, hey, I'll work with Trump if he's going to deliver housing.
00:35:35.340OK, and maybe that's because they are running for reelection or newly elected.
00:35:40.440They have a political future ahead of them in the offices they currently hold Newsom, who is turned out of office and now looking ahead to president and is competing with all these other rabid Democrats may have a different set of incentives.
00:35:52.820But either way, he's just being a jerk. And if you'll I won't use the words I don't want to get I don't I don't want you guys to get demonetized.
00:36:01.440If that's a thing on Rumble. But, you know, he put up on X a post yesterday that said Donald Trump is a piece of you know what.
00:36:08.200But that's not helpful. You know, if you're trying to get Trump to help your state, saying the most.
00:36:15.100Crude and offensive thing you possibly can is not helpful.
00:36:18.740And again, Scott pointed this out a lot. Democrats seem to have done some kind of focus group where they decided that swearing was good.
00:36:25.080But, you know, Trump doesn't just wear for no reason.
00:36:28.660I think I might have recommended this to you before, but there's a scene in Gran Torino with Clint Eastwood where he's trying to teach one of these young guys how to talk like a man.
00:36:36.800And he models the right kind of conversation and it involves some profanity.
00:36:42.240And he's talking to the barber with, you know, some four letter words and whatever.
00:36:45.940And then the young guy tries to imitate Clint Eastwood's character.
00:36:48.940And instead of being cool about all the swear words, he just walks right in and insults the guy and calls him horrible things.
00:36:55.240And Clint Eastwood's like, you don't you don't come in and insult the man.
00:36:58.240That's not how you talk. And the young guy says, but that's what you said.
00:37:01.140And Eastwood's like, no, no, no, that's not how I said it.
00:37:03.420And I think I think Newsom and the Democrats and Swalwell, these other people, they don't get how Trump uses profanity to emphasize a point, not just to insult people.
00:37:13.840The other thing about about Newsom is he called Israel an apartheid state, which it isn't.
00:37:20.220And that's the standard line on the far left, like Zoran Mamdani left.
00:37:31.560A lot of the Jewish community is really upset about it because they thought Newsom was kind of a moderate and he's now trying to be a left wing radical.
00:37:42.200And aside from irritating moderates and Jewish Democratic voters tend to be moderate.
00:37:47.980The other thing it's doing is it's showing all voters, including ones on the left who are supposed to be impressed by this display.
00:37:54.300It's showing people that Newsom has no principles and that he's not a leader, because what people see is that he's just stuck his finger in the wind and he's decided he's following where the base is going.
00:38:06.900Now, that might please some people in the base, but it's not going to make him look like a leader.
00:38:12.500And so I actually think this trip into Zoran Mamdani territory makes him look a lot worse, not to people who don't like him and people who like Israel, but to people who he's trying to impress.
00:38:27.040You know, pandering doesn't really work in the way that maybe politicians think it does.
00:38:31.560And so I think Newsom is is starting to circle the drain a little bit.
00:38:36.760I don't see a lot of strength there right now.
00:38:39.820Yeah, he's got a bestselling book, his memoir, Young Man in a Hurry.
00:38:44.980I mean, it's kind of false advertising because he's not that young.
00:38:49.300But, you know, I think he's selling a book.
00:58:27.800And here's how much of your tax dollars went to that person.
00:58:30.660And then let the constituents know what they're dealing with.
00:58:33.420Somebody that has to have our taxpayer money, get them out of trouble.
00:58:37.240And what, and what's the incentive not to do these things if you're just going to have it kept quiet and our money is going to pay to make it go away.
00:59:01.520Her, her brother, husband, um, allegedly, but you know, like what's up with that?
00:59:06.980Like, you know, I was going to bring up point though, that Owen was talking about in California.
00:59:12.120If you do sue somebody for sexual misconduct and you do settle out of court, you're not allowed to, in the settlement, it's illegal to not, uh, to basically not allow you to talk about it.
00:59:45.280I just feel like if you're going to take my money to pay someone off, like, well, could you just fill me in on where it's going?
00:59:50.720Maybe like, but the whole point of paying them off is to not have them talk about it and use your own money.
00:59:57.320No, it's to pay for their pain and suffering.
01:00:00.620So legally, I didn't do it legally, but I'm saying like, if, if, if they didn't, I mean, maybe there is another motive of saying, let's keep these things out of criminal trials.
01:00:11.900But, uh, you know, assuming that someone was raped, for example, I would hope that the victims in some cases, at least would have the courage to just charge the person with rape or whatever the sexual assault charge would be.
01:00:25.220Um, and I would think most of these, if not all of them are not that way because they didn't go through any kind of criminal.