00:12:15.440will you post it for us after on your page? Sure. That would be amazing. I love that. Thanks
00:12:21.800for sharing that. I'm sure the mosquitoes are all the wiser for your practicing out there.
00:12:27.080Marcella, listen, girl, I know you are a Jocko devotee, so you must be very sharp on these types
00:12:34.520of things. So are you ever worried about embarrassment or your ego? How do you handle
00:12:40.740it if you are? So I was thinking of something that Mark Andreessen just said in an interview
00:12:49.220that I wanted to share with you guys that reminds me of this is that he talked about the great men
00:12:55.300of history had little to no introspection, meaning that they just went, they just go,
00:13:02.900go forward, go. And I think part of that, you know, too much thinking about things doesn't
00:13:10.560lead you to action. So this kind of reminds me of that. You just have to proceed and do it and
00:13:18.020then not think of being scared, but think of the outcome and not the process. I think that's
00:13:23.380another reframe. So that's where I would focus on. Where I lost my embarrassment is when I
00:13:32.120start teaching and uh having 40 kids in front of you that don't care what you have to say
00:13:37.980uh are doing drugs are just like uh had the worst of parents and all that and grabbing their
00:13:45.380attention was my um like I just focused on that and being able to get uh to having them not stab
00:13:54.720me and so that you lose your embarrassment very quickly um when you're teaching people and
00:14:01.920that's where I lost my embarrassment. I think we need to talk about the school system after this,
00:14:06.980but okay. It's California. So Owen, tell us what you do. You're
00:14:13.180also very well-spoken and confident. And do you, I know also from what I know and what we've talked
00:14:21.060about, you're also a great father. So I'm sure you try to pass these things onto your kids. So
00:14:26.100how do you handle the fear of embarrassment or fear itself? Or if someone was bullying you,
00:14:31.340What do you do? Yeah, well, I mean, I it's definitely when I was very young, had these
00:14:37.140embarrassment issues and, you know, some embarrassing situations. And I think it was
00:14:42.700basically just trained out of me. I don't even know how much of it was voluntary. Like I,
00:14:49.240you know, I remember in junior high, I had a speech class and the very first one, it was just
00:14:54.440so awful. Like it was the worst delivery you could imagine. Like I just almost like you forget your
00:15:00.520whole speech and you don't know what to say like it was just terrible and that i remember i still
00:15:05.120have that as like a scar in my memory of being embarrassed and um certainly i got better at it
00:15:10.960after that but i think um a lot of it was just basically forced experiences maybe starting in
00:15:18.300college with rotc in the army where you would get rotated through leadership positions and you'd
00:15:25.180have to like deliver an operations order or you know call the jody march or whatever it is where
00:15:30.320you have to say things and i would say that was probably a great transitional experience because
00:15:35.760it's it's kind of like with training wheels because you pretty much know what you have to say
00:15:39.120so the only real challenge is you're up in front of 100 people and you have to say it but like
00:15:44.760they can't react they're at you know attention or at ease and like so it's basically a static
00:15:50.800audience it's almost like you're talking to mannequins and they have to do whatever you say
00:15:54.440when you give them orders so like there's really nothing there's no way it can go wrong really
00:15:59.200because you you're you have to prepare they make you do your operations order and so you know
00:16:04.740exactly what you have to say and you just read it or say it or whatever and it gets done and um so i
00:16:10.540was basically forced to get comfortable a little bit with public speaking through that process but
00:16:16.240i was still probably you know pretty rough in terms of just overall public speaking and things
00:16:21.220like that. And when I, in my second job in consulting, um, the, the guy I was working
00:16:30.060for, the partner I was working for said, Hey, you're too quiet. I'm going to send you to this
00:16:34.740Dale Carnegie course and I'll pay for it, but you have to go. And so I'm like, all right, fine. I
00:16:41.480mean, I didn't really have much of a choice. Right. And so I went to this thing and it was
00:16:44.540incredible. It was really good. And I know Scott Adams went to the same course cause he's talked
00:16:49.460about that. And, um, it, the magic of that is that they do force you to do public speaking,
00:16:56.120but again, they give you a structure. They kind of teach you, okay, you're going to give a two
00:16:59.180minute talk. Here's exactly what to say, or here's, you know, you can pick a topic, but here's
00:17:03.500the structure of it. Here's the intro, here's the middle, here's the end. This is what you have to
00:17:07.440do. And then the other part of it is no one in the audience is allowed to critique it at all.
00:17:13.800You're not allowed to say anything negative. The only thing you can say is positive feedback.
00:17:18.120so it's just a totally supportive totally positive environment and I think the whole structure of it
00:17:23.640gets people out of their shell they you get more comfortable with it just through practice
00:17:27.460by getting up in front of people you don't know and giving a talk but you know at the end of it
00:17:33.220they're going to say something good about it they're just going to point out what you did right
00:17:36.760and so you can work on improving in an environment where there's no critical nature to it there's no
00:17:42.060negative feedback at all and that really did make a difference I was no longer as quiet and I don't
00:17:47.700think anyone would necessarily describe me as a quiet person now, but I still am, I would say,
00:17:53.040an introvert and probably am quiet most of the time when I'm around my wife and things like that.
00:17:58.640But it made a big difference. And I think it really helped my career from that point forward.
00:18:04.300And then from there, it was probably just going through all these client experiences where I was
00:18:09.440expected to be the expert. So of course, I had to talk a lot and I had to lead them through
00:18:13.300all these processes. And sometimes they were very stressful. Sometimes things go wrong. Sometimes
00:18:17.340things aren't what you expect and you might have difficult people you're dealing with and I had
00:18:23.120some clients that swore at me and I had clients that were ready to tear down every idea I had
00:18:29.280that were Harvard MBAs and I had to engage with them and convince them that I was right when they
00:18:34.020thought they knew better and that particular client because it was basically all Harvard MBAs
00:18:40.360and the culture of that client was they were required to disagree with you if they didn't
00:18:44.640degree and you had to respond to the challenge and if you didn't win the argument then you lost
00:18:52.560like and if you didn't win early on apparently i would have been probably booted out of there
00:18:56.580and i got through that and i i survived it and i you know was able to deliver everything we were
00:19:02.440supposed to deliver and and basically outsmarted a bunch of harvard mbas um and and that gave me a
00:19:08.560lot of confidence from that point forward i mean honestly every challenge after that it was like
00:19:12.700yeah, this is easy. It's nothing like what I've been through.
00:19:18.000Well, that's like what Scott wrote in the reframe. Just start doing the things. And each time you
00:19:23.460feel that little bit of embarrassment and you push it away, you're just toughening yourself up. And
00:19:28.160the next time it won't be like that. And the next time, and the next time, and the next time. And
00:19:31.460before you know it, you've pushed it away. And I think I want to turn it over to Joshua for his
00:19:37.760lesson for us, but I just want to challenge everybody. Thank you, Owen. And you guys should
00:19:43.100know that Owen is actually really fricking funny. I've known him for a very long time
00:19:47.580and don't let that, that stone cold look on his face, that expressionless face fool you. He's
00:19:53.760very funny. He has a good sense of humor. He can be a little wise ass himself. So it's good that
00:20:00.260you know that he's just like all of us. So I just want to say you guys, maybe pick something this
00:20:06.940week that would maybe terrify you or make you afraid and just do that thing. And if you want
00:20:13.420to involve us, like you could post it either on locals or you could tag us on X, like maybe you
00:20:18.800want to sing karaoke. Maybe you want to show us what you're learning on the guitar or give us a
00:20:23.700little mini speech or show us a drawing or give an idea that you never gave before. Do it. You
00:20:29.780know what I mean? Just do it. I'm not going to mock anybody for, you know, trying to step out
00:20:34.920of their fear of embarrassment, I think go for it. And the more you do it, the more comfortable
00:20:39.080you will become. So thank you, Scott, for that. So listen, quick interstitial sip while Joshua
00:20:47.400is preparing now to give us a lesson. And we're going to turn the floor over to Joshua.
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00:21:28.580We have the whiteboard joining us today.
00:21:30.740whiteboard lesson let's sit back and adjust the light so it's a little bit easier to see
00:21:35.580there i want to show all of you the easiest storytelling framework and it's a perfect
00:21:41.700day to be sharing this lesson with you because we're talking about public speaking presentation
00:21:46.360ego and and managing it dialing it up and down um and and whatnot so when any anytime you are
00:21:53.940giving a public presentation, or you are, let's say, called upon to share an anecdote, or what do
00:22:03.720you think, or any type of being put on the spot, this framework will prove useful to you in telling
00:22:10.620a story. It's also immensely useful when you are prompting, let's say you're prompting AI to give
00:22:17.280you a better story, or you're prompting yourself, or you're teaching children how to tell more
00:22:22.620effective stories on the fly, and it goes, wow, that sounds really good. How did you pull that
00:22:29.520off? This is a way of making it look like you've rehearsed your story, but you're just coming with
00:22:36.900it on the fly. That's what I love about templates, frameworks, is it shows the audience, whether it's
00:22:44.100one or two people or it's tens of thousands, it shows that you know what the heck you're talking
00:22:48.760about when you can rattle something up off the fly and it sounds like it's fully prepared that's the
00:22:54.200power of this particular template and i recognize that this template exists because i was teaching
00:23:01.480my almost eight-year-old son we were going through some of the uh work let's say non-phonetic
00:23:09.160spellings specifically like who is obviously not spelled like w-o-o it's w-h-o obviously right
00:23:18.760And what emerged here was a pattern that I recognized works really well, and so I want to teach it to all of you here at Scott Adams School and give a brief off-the-cuff demonstration to how well this works.
00:23:32.560So many of us have heard the, let's say, this sort of instructions, directions, who, what, when, where, why, how.
00:37:44.700So you've, so now you have sort of ownership of the story.
00:37:47.620It's yours, like locked into your mind.
00:37:49.460This is why everyone always says the book was better than the movie about everything, because the author, the novelist, a.k.a. the literary hypnotist, which is what all novelists are, the literary hypnotists, they create a simulation for you that allows you to, with your own detail, fill in how the characters look, what they look like, how they interact one with another.
00:52:27.340Back to the Hormuz, Trump is pushing a Hormuz coalition to break Iran's oil blockade.
00:52:36.580President Trump is ramping up, back to the news news, is ramping up to pressure to reopen the Strait of Hormuz.
00:52:45.320As you know, this is like a main deal for crude oil that passes through there.
00:52:50.460Iran has blocked tankers from the Gulf nations like Saudi Arabia.
00:52:55.480So Trump is trying to get together other countries to help pay for it and also help not just pay for it, but help secure it.
00:53:06.440China, he's asking China, he's asking Japan, South Korea, France, the UK and NATO to be allies, to send warships and to help escort commercial ships.
00:53:17.280he's even indicated so he had a president trump had a planned trip to china on january 31st
00:53:27.660he is now claiming that he is no longer going to go to china march during that time unless china
00:53:34.940starts helping and one country that's already indicated that they are unwilling to help in the
00:53:41.380coalition is australia which you know stella feels very strongly about that she wanted to get involved
00:53:48.880yeah so i tend to think some countries will come around because i think everybody has an interest in
00:53:54.600having the oil flow through the strait of hormuz including china and russia and um but really
00:54:01.800everybody right and so i i think to me this does look like it might be a pretty um genius plan to
00:54:09.720say you're going to have some kind of international security around this because i don't think it
00:54:14.520would work at all if you just said the united states is going to stay here and try and defend
00:54:18.240this or something but if you had all the countries around the world you know all participating then
00:54:24.860that could really change the picture where it's saying you know anytime anyone might get attacked
00:54:29.300by iran it's almost like they're attacking the whole world and they would bring the whole world's
00:54:33.880wrath upon them so i i think it is a good plan um i don't know if it was originally part of the plan
00:54:38.740but it does seem like a great way to handle it a little bit well he brings up the 90 of chinese
00:54:46.000um you know crude oil goes through there so it's not like and exports as well so it's not like it
00:54:53.260doesn't affect china china has been neutral on the war it has not shown you know they've been
00:54:59.860always backing iran before uh but have remained neutral and this would actually force them force
00:55:07.500their hand to not be neutral anymore. You know, Trump is negotiating, playing his cards. One of
00:55:15.100them is not going to China when he's supposed to. The other one is Karg Island was hit last week.
00:55:24.720The military targets were hit, but he is claiming that he will be hitting the oil targets now of
00:55:32.920Iran there. And if he does hit the oil targets, which they haven't wanted to because they
00:55:37.640want it to keep how the US has indicated, they want it to keep the populace of Iran
00:55:45.320on the side of the US and just take out the leadership. But they are thinking of doing
00:55:50.540it if Iran keeps putting mines, doing things, undermining, you know, so, and then in the
00:56:00.160other big news come to that i guess that's all i'll say about that at this point yeah i hope we
00:56:04.640don't have to go that far i know and joshua where is your take on hormuz should we change the name
00:56:11.480yeah i don't know enough about uh the geopolitics to speak with any type of confidence or certainty
00:56:18.920or correctness generally when i look at any sorts of international stories and this this can be
00:56:24.000helpful one one might think does does this impact my life in any direct or indirect way that's
00:56:30.000possible it's very possible that it might now hear this knowing more about this event
00:56:37.020and perhaps it does affect me will it change my behavior in any way does knowing this change my
00:56:44.940behavior in any way if i spent some time researching this would that change my behavior in
00:56:49.960any way and that that does answer changes story to story there are some global affairs that do
00:56:56.540in fact change our behaviors um i have uh i have a colleague who was planning on international trip
00:57:03.800to southeast asia this month but given the qatar airways and all of the stuff going on with um
00:57:11.600with with with conflict in dubai there had been planned a series of like you know connecting
00:57:18.080flights through that part of the world and given department of state travel recommendations that
00:57:25.520weren't necessarily things that she was sent she started doing her research wow this looks pretty
00:57:32.840bad yeah it starts looking it up so it starts doing her research oh shoot i better not actually
00:57:38.680go so it changed her it changed her behavior um so this this is why there's sort of two levels
00:57:45.120of internet research doing your homework reading the news straight from was there anything else
00:57:50.240does this directly affect my life in any way that's the first question to ask and they're
00:57:56.180sort of investigating a little bit to see that if it does okay and if it does level two does it
00:58:02.260change my behavior in any way or what am i just going to do what i did and i can't affect it it's
00:58:06.940no nothing nothing's going to change regardless right that's sort of a sense making tool that i
00:58:13.780learned first from michael gimmerin who would be a good guest on the scott adams school in my opinion
00:58:18.160He has all manner of fantastic reframes and lessons and insights to share.
01:00:17.700Well, about the baseball, I would just say, you know, there probably were some bad calls.
01:00:22.060I just was looking at a clip, but it definitely looked like something was called a strike when it wasn't.
01:00:25.900But what I would say about that is like I've been through so many years of baseball with my son and just the umps call is final.
01:00:33.680I mean, they do have a little bit of a process of review, I think, where the umps can get together and decide if they made the right call on something.
01:00:39.940But if they make the call and they say that's the call, then that's the call. Right. And that's just part of the game.
01:00:45.340and my son was a catcher and that was very relevant because like what a catcher does how
01:00:53.340he moves how he moves his glove can influence how the ref sees the pitch and so if you move
01:01:01.640your glove in a certain way it might make it look like a ball when it wasn't or if you move
01:01:05.440your glove in another way it might look make a ball look like a strike and so that's part of
01:01:10.660strategy is learning okay how should i move how should i put my thing and so i as far as i'm
01:01:16.820concerned the united states won we won usa all right it's official it's official it's in the
01:01:23.340books yay team okay so just uh i want to say a major thank you as always to you joshua we
01:01:30.360love when you're here the chat's so happy you were here and they're thanking you
01:01:34.100and so are we so y'all tomorrow it'll be the three of us maybe a fourth for part of the show not sure
01:01:42.200yet but the three of us will be back um wednesday returning is bj ditchter we'll be doing news of bj
01:01:50.020um and thursday you may have heard first time on the show and hopefully it'll he'll be a returning
01:01:58.580guest is Walter Kern. You asked for him, we got him. So Thursday, Walter Kern joins us. Okay. So
01:02:07.560we look forward to all of that. Let's have a closing sip to Shelly, to Scott, to all of us,
01:02:14.500but to Scott, we say thank you for providing this platform for us to stay together and be a family.
01:02:22.240and I hope everyone's continuing to be useful and we will see you tomorrow you guys to Scott
01:02:29.000be useful everyone to Scott very well thank you thanks Joshua