Episode 789 Scott Adams: #Shampeachment Theater, Liz and Bernie, Lev Parnas, China Deal
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Summary
Darryl Paltrow joins me to talk about Elizabeth Warren stabbing Bernie Sanders and how the left is eating itself, and how to deal with people who repeat themselves in a debate. Plus, Wendy Williams is in hot water for mocking Joaquin Phoenix in public.
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Hey everybody, I hope you can hear me when I plug in my microphone after I've already started.
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Sorry, I'm a little late. I'm late because there's so much news. There's news all over
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or stein, a canteen jug or flask, a vessel of any kind. Fill it with your favorite liquid. I like
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coffee. Join me now for the unparalleled pleasure, the dopamine of the day, the thing that makes
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I know, I'm three minutes late. Why? Good reasons. Good reasons. When you see the quality
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of today's Periscope, you're going to say to yourself, I'm glad I waited the extra three
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minutes. Wow. It's blowing me away. It's so good. First of all, I'd like to start with
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a tip. If you saw today's Dilbert comic, you know, it's about the topic of people who repeat
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themselves. Have you ever been in a debate with somebody who keeps repeating the same
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point? And you say to yourself, you say to them, no, I understand your point, but here's
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what I'm saying. And then they'll just say that same point again, as if you had not addressed
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it, here's what you do. After about the third or fourth time that the person you're talking
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with says exactly the same point, say, hold on a second. Let me write this down. You
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take a little note and a paper and you say, all right, I will stipulate. And you write
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down the sentence. Bob says that it involved birds or whatever it is. Doesn't matter. You
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put it on a little piece of paper and you put it on the table between the two of you face
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up so it can be read. And then you start your conversation again. And at that point, when
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the person starts repeating themselves, this is what you do. You just reach over to the
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piece of paper and you just slowly move it a few inches in their direction. And it's going
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to make them mad. Then wait until they repeat it again, because they will. And then again,
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reach over and take the little note that says exactly what they just said and just move it
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a little bit closer to them. Eventually, the person will get really angry at you and storm
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out of the room. Victory. All right. Let's talk about the Democrats or let's say the left
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is in complete self-immolation mode. They've turned on each other. It's a wonderful sight to
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see. And you're seeing it all over. Did you see the story about Wendy Williams mocking Joaquin
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Phoenix for a, let's say, I don't even want to say. I'm not even going to say. But let's say it's
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something physical. It was one of the worst things I've ever seen on television. When I saw it,
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I thought, seriously, that's what you're mocking? You're mocking this guy for that in public?
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Well, she had to apologize. And it's not up to anybody except Joaquin Phoenix to accept it or not.
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But the trouble that she got into is one more example of the left eating itself.
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But my favorite is Michael Moore, who is quite distressed that Warren and Bernie Sanders are at
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each other. And he says, they both appeared in my films. I love them both. Why Elizabeth chose to
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stick a knife in Bernie's back is beyond me. Well, it's not really beyond me. So let me explain this to
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Michael Moore. There's this thing called the presidential election that's coming up. And
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there's this thing called the primary. There are people in the primaries who want to win.
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And then they do things like that, because that's how you win. Did it work? Totally.
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Now, a lot of you said, Oh, Elizabeth Warren, it sounds like you're, you're causing trouble. You said you
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wouldn't, you're stabbing Bernie, that seems bad. You know, sort of a bad look, and all that.
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But a day later, totally worked. I would say that Operation Stab Bernie in the back was a complete
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success. If you saw the panel that, well, actually, most of the pundits said, well, the big moment from
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the debate was when Elizabeth Warren said that the only people on the stage who had ever won any
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elections were the women. Actually, the others had won elections. But they had also lost, I think,
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10 elections. But the women had won every election. Tremendously good political point. So from a point of
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controlling the conversation, moving people's attention where you wanted to move it, I'm going
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to say Elizabeth Warren, A+++. She totally changed the conversation, made it about the, sort of
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highlighted the fact that it's a bunch of, you know, white people on the stage, which is bad enough.
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But at least there are some women, right? Because the day before that, we were all talking about, ha ha ha,
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Democrats are the party of inclusivity, and they just got rid of all of their people of color on the
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stage. Wasn't that the story two days ago? Two days ago, that was the story. Not anymore. What's the story
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today? Thanks to Elizabeth Warren, the story today is, hey, there's still two women on the stage, and
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are we ignoring the fact that they've won all of their elections, and that the men on the stage have
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10 lost elections collectively? It's a really good point, just in terms of politics. I'm not saying
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it's a good point in, you know, the world, or that it's a good point logically or rationally or anything
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else. But politically, wow. So I'm going to say Warren has the play of the week, political play of
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the week, very successful. I think she actually changed how people are thinking about this.
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Good job. Now, the real question is, who's lying? Is Bernie lying when he says, I never said a woman
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can't win, or is Elizabeth Warren lying when she says that he did say that? I have the answer to
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that, in my opinion, all right? So I can't read minds, but if you, of course, you've all seen it
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by now, the clip of Elizabeth Warren not shaking hands with Bernie, and CNN magically found a separate
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audio file that they matched up with the video so you could hear what she was saying. And Elizabeth
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Warren walks directly over to Bernie and says, you accused me of lying on television. I think,
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did you say on television or in public? Now, what have I taught you about detecting liars?
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Liars say things such as, what evidence do you have? Or, you know, why would you make that
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accusation? Based on what? You know, that's what a liar says. Here's what an honest person says.
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They get right in your face, and they say, you're a liar. Now, keep in mind that it's not clear that
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Warren knew that this would be picked up on audio. Some are suggesting she's smart enough to know that
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there probably was an audio. Some have suggested she was colluding with CNN and that, you know,
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she knew there would be an audio. I'm not going to say it was that clever. It looked like an honest
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moment to me. So my impression is that she actually believed Bernie lied. I believe that Elizabeth
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Warren believes her own story. I also believe, because of everything that Bernie has said and done
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and his entire career, he's so credible to me and to many of you. But to me, he's completely credible.
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So you have two versions that both believe their stories, I believe. So my opinion is that they both
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absolutely do believe their versions of the story. How unusual is that? Not. It's two movies on one screen.
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Two people were in a room, and when they left the room, they had two different impressions of what
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happened in the room. How unusual is that? Zero unusuality of it. See, I made up a word. Unusuality.
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You can use it. Yeah. One of the things about being a professional writer is that if I start using a word,
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it could enter a common usage. So the unusuality, or maybe it's already a word, but I doubt it.
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So let me give you another example of exactly this situation, which is also in the news.
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So there's a story about, let's see, a gentleman, Peter Lucido, who's a Michigan state senator.
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Now, he's apologized after a female reporter, so a young 20-something reporter, was spending some time
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with this Michigan state senator, and I guess he said that he was going to be meeting with some high
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school boys later, and said that she should hang around because it'd be a lot of fun, according to
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him. So his version is, hey, you should hang around. It's going to be a lot of fun hanging out with
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these guys from this high school. Hang around a little bit. She says that some version of it was
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that you'll have a lot of fun with those boys, and they'll have a lot of fun with you, if you know
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what I mean, or some version of that. So her version of a private conversation between two people,
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she left the room, and I think she actually believes that he said something with an inappropriate
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sexual tone to it. If you watched his response, he looks really credible when he says, that didn't
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happen. I just said it would be fun. It has nothing to do with any kind of sexual anything. Now, it's
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possible that one of them is just lying, right? But I don't think so. I think they're both telling the
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truth. Because exactly like Warren and Bernie, I think two people had the same experience,
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but watched two different movies. And when they left, they both believed their movie.
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How many times do you need to see people experiencing two different movies in the same place
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before you understand it's the most normal thing in our experience? It's not the exception.
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Because if you imagine it's the exception, you say, okay, one of them's lying. It's not one of those
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weird cases where somebody saw two different movies in the same place. That would be weird. It's not.
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That's the operating system of human beings. We're subjectively creating our own little
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environments and worlds all the time. It's the basic way we operate. Once you understand that,
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everything starts making a little more sense. So that's my preliminary. Maybe it's my final
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conclusion. Warren telling the truth as she saw it. Bernie telling the truth as he saw it. Two people
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who are being honest, although Warren may be a little opportunistic by bringing that up at exactly
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the right time. Seriously, that was just a great, great political play. Ethical? Not so much.
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But still within the realm of what we expect in our political process. So it's not that far out.
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We're going to talk about impeachment in a moment. Here's an example of why it's better to be a
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boomer than a doomer than a doomer. Now, boomers, people like me, my age, we have a lot of experience.
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We've seen a bunch of things. Does it help? Well, let me give you an example. Today, I saw a message
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came into me from a social media platform. And it was a writer asking me if I would be interviewed
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for an article he wants to write on the topic of love and persuasion. And because I talk about
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persuasion, he thought, oh, I'll ask this cartoonist guy if he will give me some quotes for my article
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on love and persuasion. What did I say? Because I'm a boomer, and it's not my first day on earth,
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I said, nope. Nope. Not get anywhere near it. Because can you imagine how many ways that would
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go wrong? As soon as you throw persuasion and love in the same conversation, nothing can go right from
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that point on. Whatever I would be quoted as saying would look terrible out of context. Because it would
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be his context, whatever his article was going to be. It wouldn't be my context. I might be able
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to do it, but probably not. I mean, I don't even think I could do it if I did everything I could
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to put it in the right context. It would just seem creepy. All right. So that's one of the advantages
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of just being around a while. If I were 25, and I got that same request, do you know what I would
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have said? Ah, free attention. I'm all over it.
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So, and by the way, OK, doomer, with a D as in dog, as a response to OK, boomer, works really well.
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Because it does seem that the younger people feel like everything is doomed. Do you know why young
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people think everything is doomed? Climate science is going to kill us. President Trump's going to blow
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up the world. Do you know why? Because young people still believe that the news is legitimate.
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Imagine, a lot of you are, let's say probably half of you are over 40, I'm guessing, roughly. I saw my
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statistics recently. That's about right. So about half of you are over 40.
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Have you seen the doom and then, oh, just kidding, process just repeat itself? We're all doomed.
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Oh, no, I guess it's OK. Oh, no, we're going to die. I guess not. Oh, we're all, we're running out of
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oil. Not so much. Yeah, it's going to be a nuclear war. Well, it didn't happen. If you see it enough,
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you become skeptical of everything else. So the doomers, which is a perfect name for them,
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because they've been sold this story of doom, are walking around in this weird doom bubble that I do
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not envy. Now, when I was a child, I grew up in the era in which we thought Russia was going to nuke
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us at any moment. We actually had a nuclear bomb shelter in my house. Now, it wasn't very effective
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because it was just a basement. But my father wasn't exactly a radiation expert, let's say.
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So he built a little bomb shelter in the basement. And I actually didn't think I would grow up to
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adulthood. I actually believed the odds were very good that I would be killed in a nuclear war.
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And that was my childhood. A childhood where you actually expected that there was a high likelihood
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you'd die in a nuclear fireball. All right, let's talk about impeachment. Because I know you want
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to do that. So I've been calling this an emotional impeachment. And I don't think I've ever branded
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anything better. Because once you consider that even the Democrats think there's no real chance
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that the president will be removed from his office, then what was the point? Isn't the point of
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impeachment you're trying to remove him? But if you know that's not going to work, why are you doing
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it? Well, of course, there's the political part. And Pelosi said it directly. She said that the
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president would always have this stain of impeachment would be dogging him forever. She used her own
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words. But she basically put it in terms of, ha ha, I gotcha. That's it. Ha ha, I stained you.
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That's why they did it. Because it feels just personal and emotional and completely irrational.
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Now, I get that they think it's going to work maybe for elections. But that would be dumb. Because
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I think they should have been able to predict that it would help his fundraising, it would galvanize
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his base. Exactly what happened. It's the same thing that happened to Bernie Sanders. His fundraising
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went through the roof when Sanders, when Warren attacked him. So was Pelosi not wise enough to know
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that this would work in the president's favor, when there's a pretty good track record to suggest,
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especially with Bill Clinton, to suggest it probably would. So if it wasn't to remove him from office,
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and it wasn't even to hurt him in the election, really, unless you make the case that it's all about
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getting Democratic senators elected the next time they have a chance to do that,
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it just looks like it was emotional. It looked like it was an emotional impeachment.
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So I've joked that so far the impeachment trial looks like a combination of three movies.
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Did you see the little impeachment parade? Okay, I watched the impeachment parade live because I
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thought it would be hilarious. It was a little funnier than I had hoped. Because they were all trying to
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take serious and somber after they'd all been yucking it up with Nancy handing out the 20 ceremonial pens.
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They're trying not to look like they're happy about the day. So they're doing the somber march.
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We are sombering. It is a solemn day. Let us solemnly march with our little black suits.
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And Nancy's pink, but we're wearing our little black suits.
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And it looked like there were three movies that had been put together as a trilogy.
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The first movie, if you've ever seen March of the Penguins,
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You know, you had Nadler there, the monarch penguin.
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But they all sort of had these black suits, and they all were like,
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Then, of course, the trial is just going to be Dumb and Dumber.
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You know, you don't have to wait for the details.
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March of the Penguins, Dumb and Dumber, and Titanic.
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Do you want to know how the impeachment should go?
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And, you know, people keep accusing me, of course,
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of always supporting the president and his team and everything.
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But I've said over and over that I think the Republicans have totally botched
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their defense of the president in terms of this whole Ukraine thing
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And the Senate has a chance to make good of this.
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So here's what I tweeted in terms of how the Senate should handle the impeachment trial.
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Step number one, ask both the Democrats, their top lawyer, which lawyer was it?
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One of the Democrats' lawyers admitted in the last round of impeachment hearings,
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he admitted that there was a legitimate reason to look into Burisma and the Bidens.
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So question number one, you ask a Democrat lawyer and then you ask a Republican lawyer.
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And you say, based on what we know, was there a legitimate U.S. national interest
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in understanding what was going on with Burisma and the Bidens?
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Now, the answer is going to be yes, because both the Democrats and the Republicans are going
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Just vote, because that's the only thing that matters.
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The Democrats have correctly, completely bamboozled and owned the Republicans by making them talk
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about the topic of whether it was for the president's own self-interest.
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And every moment that the Republicans argued that it, you know, argued the case of was it a quid pro quo,
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any of those details about who said what, who wrote what, who was in the meeting,
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as soon as the Republicans engage in any of that, they've lost.
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Because most of the trick from the Democrats is to get them to engage in all the details.
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Because the more you're thinking about the details, the more you're thinking about impeachment,
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It just gets you in that, my God, there's all this stuff.
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It must be important because we're talking about it.
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Even the House should have done the same thing.
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Was it legitimate for the United States to look into this Burisma-Biden situation?
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It doesn't matter if it's also good for the president's re-election.
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The Senate should say, this is a big, complicated thing, but it comes down to one question.
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well, the only reason to have witnesses is if they already know what Bolton and anybody else is going to say,
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and what they'd really love is to bring Hunter Biden in.
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Now, the Democrats are arguing that bringing Hunter Biden in doesn't make sense
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meaning he's not a direct witness to any of the conversations between Ukraine and the president
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did the United States have a legitimate reason to look into Burisma and the Bidens?
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How do you know the answer to that question without talking to Hunter Biden and saying,
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You know, it might not answer all of our questions,
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but we'll at least find out if there's something that was sketchy enough
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that the president had a legitimate reason to look into it.
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I mean, nothing beyond the obvious swampiness that we see.
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Anyway, there's this other sub-story about Giuliani telling Lev Parnas,
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who was, I guess, some loose associate who was helping over in Ukraine,
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and apparently there's a distinction that the Democrats are trying to make
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you know, doing what's good for the United States,
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versus what's doing, what's good only for Trump's re-election.
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In other words, only something that's personally good for him.
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And Giuliani apparently was telling people, including Lev Parnas,
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that he wanted to be very clear that he represents the president, not the government.
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So he's the president's personal attorney, not the government.
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Well, one way to interpret is, oh, that's proof.
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It's proof it was just for Trump's own good re-election.
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Giuliani did not have official government, let's say, portfolio.
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He had not registered as some kind of a lobbyist, I'm sure.
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wouldn't you like to make it clear to everybody
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that you're not officially working for the U.S. government?
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no, I'm not an official emissary from the government,
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I got lots of lawyers for different phases of my business.
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Do my lawyers, no matter what field they're working in,
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that Giuliani is the president's personal lawyer?
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Because otherwise you couldn't serve the client,
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that Giuliani said he's personally representing the president,
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because you can't really separate out the profession from that.
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Are people watching the impeachment live right now?