Dave Rubin joins Scott Adams to talk about his new book, Don t Burn This Book, which is a memoir about his life and career as a writer, editor, and public speaker. Scott also talks about how he got his start in the business, and why he doesn t burn coffee.
00:03:09.160So as a guy that's written like 800 books, I now understand why there's not a hair on your head.
00:03:15.380Because it takes work that's very different than just sitting across from somebody and interviewing them or talking to the camera.
00:03:24.980I mean, there's a discipline involved in a book that I actually didn't realize I was going to enjoy, but ended up really learning a lot about myself, I think, just through going through the slog of it, you know?
00:03:34.940Yeah, and then you get to the promoting part, and you find out that's harder than writing the book.
00:04:35.820Well, it's funny because – so you're totally right.
00:04:38.560All we're getting are – we're getting mostly fives, and then we're getting this burst of ones, and it has nothing – these are obviously people who didn't read the book.
00:04:44.860They don't comment on anything in the book.
00:04:47.020It's mostly just they don't like me, which is fine.
00:04:49.500But it's funny because, as you know, I toured with Jordan Peterson, and every time I read one of those ones, I think, man, these people just need to read 12 Rules for Life.
00:04:58.780Because they're not really saying anything about me.
00:05:01.660They're saying far more about themselves and their own sort of internal chaos and lack of worth or something.
00:07:29.020So this is now about seven hours before the attack.
00:07:31.440I was in the Times Square subway station, which I'm sure many people watching this have been to, standing by the shuttle train, which I'm sure, as you know, all it does is go from Grand Central to Times Square, back and forth.
00:07:43.580So you sort of feel like you're in purgatory over there.
00:07:45.600And I was with my friend Mike, who was a comedian who was openly gay, and we'd become friends over the past year.
00:07:52.960And I said, I told him I was gay, and he sort of didn't realize that it was like my big coming out.
00:07:59.340So he was like, oh, well, that's great.
00:08:03.300And I thought, you know, in my mind, I had just sort of released this, you know, evil, horrific, damaging secret into the world.
00:08:11.060And then I woke up the next morning to a phone call from my dad, and he worked in Manhattan, and he could see the Twin Towers, and he actually called me between the first and second one.
00:08:22.840So he ended up seeing the second one hit, but he had already seen the first one hit.
00:08:26.140And I know it sounds crazy, and I do write about this, but I genuinely thought it had something to do with me.
00:08:35.020Which is, that just says so much, but yeah.
00:08:41.060And I struck back, but struck back at my own city where I lived.
00:08:51.580And that did serious psychological damage to me.
00:08:54.660It sounds crazy to talk about, but it really did.
00:08:57.440You know, the part of the story that I was relating to that I thought was the funniest is that this was like the biggest thing in your life, I imagine, based on the way you tell the story.
00:09:06.440And the first thing, the first person you tell is sort of like ho-hum, and then the next day is 9-11, and suddenly your little problem didn't mean anything.
00:10:03.660But you and I have a similar experience, not in the coming out of the closet part, but in the being among the conservatives more than the liberals,
00:10:12.980but not really feeling like you have all the same opinions as them.
00:10:16.700And I found that conservatives are far more open-minded than the left.
00:10:24.400But as long as you meet these conditions, you must treat them respectfully, even if you disagree.
00:10:32.300That's just, you know, that has to happen.
00:10:34.920Secondly, if you follow the Constitution, meaning you buy into the principles,
00:10:39.780I found that every conservative will accept you completely, as long as you're living an honest life.
00:10:46.840And you're compatible with the Constitution.
00:11:53.820And yet all of the people who I now consider my allies who have promoted the hell out of my book and treat me well all the time, from Shapiro to Prager to Beck.
00:12:02.500I was on Laura Ingraham last night, Tucker Carlson, Dana Perino, Gutfeld, all of these people.
00:12:07.680We have all these political differences.
00:12:21.840If you treat them respectfully, there's an understanding that we want to live in a country with people with different opinions.
00:12:29.160And if you believe in the Constitution and basically the idea that we should all have equal rights, and that doesn't mean we're all going to make it and it's going to be perfect for everybody.
00:12:39.200But that's the best that society can do.
00:12:41.040So that's been, I think, the craziest shift for me, that I went from being a lefty, and then all I did was say, oh, you know, these conservatives aren't that bad.
00:12:51.420And I realized maybe they were the good guys the whole time, which is a really weird thing that I think a lot of young people are starting to realize.
00:12:59.140Yeah, I'm not sure I see it as good guys or bad guys.
00:13:01.680I just know who's more willing to accept me, and I just feel more comfortable in people who are willing to say, I totally disagree with that.
00:13:11.580Well, I think there's a reason for that.
00:13:13.480You know, I think there's actually a fundamental reason for that, which is that if you're a conservative or someone on the right, libertarian or something like that, you believe in individual rights.
00:13:22.440Like, that's a fundamental constitutional precept.
00:13:25.420You believe that everyone should have equal rights regardless of any of the immutable characteristics.
00:13:30.340And on the left, unfortunately, I don't know what the unifying principle is anymore.
00:13:35.020The unifying principle really seems to be just government.
00:13:37.740Well, you know, I've got a theory, which is that people on the left have been bullied or they feel victims and maybe there's something in their life that, you know, led them to that decision.
00:13:49.440Because I think they're triggered by people like Trump because he just has a bully vibe.
00:14:21.140I didn't really have a growth spurt until really into college.
00:14:24.180So I was kind of on the small side of things.
00:14:26.100But I remember one day in around eighth grade thinking, you know, right now I could be one of the popular kids or I could be a not popular kid.
00:14:51.760I do not – I never even had a sip of alcohol in high school.
00:14:54.880The first beer I ever had was at high school graduation.
00:14:57.580I had a sip of a Coors Light out of a can and I hated it.
00:15:00.200But in terms of bullying, so I was kind of like I got bullied by the kids that were more popular than me and sometimes I bullied the kids that were less popular than me.
00:15:10.220I know that, you know, to feel like a proud human, a proud adult, you have to say you were bullied all the time.
00:15:14.860You were bullied relentlessly and that makes you good now.
00:15:18.220But the truth is it was really 50-50 for me.
00:15:20.720All right, so the other parts of your story that I found fascinating is I didn't realize that you interned for The Daily Show when you were really young.
00:15:33.520It's hard for people to remember what that was like because, you know, The Daily Show, at least for the Jon Stewart Daily Show, was like this just sort of – it was this everything.
00:15:44.880Like it started becoming this thing where, you know, everybody said that this is where young people get the news and it was like this endlessly sort of cool thing that everyone wanted to be part of and all that.
00:15:54.960And I interned there right when Jon Stewart took over.
00:15:58.200So this was in the fall of 99 going into 2000 and Jon had just taken over.
00:16:04.320And do you remember Craig Kilbourne was the host of the show before that?
00:16:07.120He was a SportsCenter anchor who I loved, absolutely loved.
00:16:10.160But he was a real like sort of – it was all about him and Jon obviously was very self-deprecating.
00:16:14.880So it was a bit of an odd time to be there because people were getting fired left and right because, you know, they were turning over the staff and everything.
00:16:21.020And it wasn't like the popular Daily Show that everyone came to know.
00:16:25.100On a side note about The Daily Show now, it's like since Trevor Noah took over, that show is just beyond irrelevant.
00:16:31.880I mean it's almost – and it's almost like you're not allowed to talk about it because it makes – you know, they'll call you a racist if you say it.
00:16:37.460But literally nobody watches it and for some reason that doesn't get written about anywhere.
00:16:44.840I have a theory that people who become successful in their adult life often had brushes with other successful people when they were young enough to be impressionable.
00:16:57.540And it gives you a sense that you could do it too because you realize these famous people are actually just normal.
00:17:03.220Now did you have that experience that famous people were normal and you said, hey, I could do this?
00:17:07.220Yeah, you know, actually we cut out – there's only one chapter of the book that we cut out and that's where I go into a little more of my life in New York City as a stand-up and the struggles around that.
00:17:18.720But one of the things that I cut out, which is related to The Daily Show, is right before my internship ended.
00:17:24.600So I would intern in the city three days a week.
00:17:26.540I lived with my parents in Long Island.
00:17:27.900And I don't want to brag, but on my two days off, I was a part-time video game salesman at Electronics Boutique in the Garden City Mall.
00:17:36.840But right before the internship ended, I went up to Jon Stewart at a party and I said – I had only met him once or twice throughout the whole thing.
00:18:09.520Like, not the being on stage, but, you know, standing out on street corners, handing out tickets, performing in front of three people at 2 a.m., all of that.
00:18:17.680And just this – the fact that he said, don't stop, when every comic, no matter how bad it gets, it's like you just got to keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going.
00:18:27.300And I know plenty of guys – I can tell you this for sure, and I'm sure you've seen your version of this – the best comics that I knew, most of them disappeared.
00:18:36.160And in many cases, it was the worst ones who survived because they didn't even know they were supposed to stop.
00:18:41.840And I think that he just planted that seed within me, that, you know, that the only way you make it is if you don't stop.
00:18:49.800And then over the years, I started meeting a lot of people that were my heroes on the Upper West.
00:18:54.100I lived a block away from Jerry Seinfeld.
00:18:56.080I used to bump into him on the street often and have some exchanges.
00:18:59.320And I got to meet Richard Lewis and a whole bunch of other comedians that you start seeing them as humans.
00:19:04.900And then you're like, well, I'm a human too, and if they can do it, maybe I can do it.
00:19:09.980Yeah, I feel like that's a big part of a lot of people's stories and that it's just so automatic that you have that association with them and it changes you.
00:19:19.760Now, you had another story here about being on the Young Turks, which I didn't realize until I read it in your book that you were on the Young Turks for a short period.
00:19:29.580And that was where you sort of accidentally got red-pilled, is how it sounded like.
00:19:35.260You know, if you go into the belly of the beast, you might find something that can red-pill you, basically.
00:19:40.000Yeah, I lay out three stories there, but sort of briefly, you know, when I got there, I always considered myself a New York liberal.
00:19:47.940What I mean by that is sort of like a JFK-esque, not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.
00:19:52.920You know, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Ed Koch, that there used to be good, decent liberals.
00:19:58.420And something sort of happened about five years ago where the progressives came in and they started screaming about everything and they were angry.
00:20:07.040And I think you are right. It was maybe because they were bullied so that they started bullying.
00:20:24.560And everyone who we oppose is evil and a racist and a bigot and the rest of it.
00:20:31.620And, you know, I tell the story in the book about how I was on air with them and they were showing a clip of David Webb, who's a conservative commentator on Fox News.
00:20:40.800And he happens to be black and they're going on and on about how he's a sellout and he's an Uncle Tom and all of this stuff.
00:20:46.740And what they didn't know was I had a show on SiriusXM years before and I had become good friends with David Webb.
00:20:52.200I was a lefty. He was on the right, but we used to talk it out on air all the time.
00:20:55.400And I knew that not only was he a good man, but he believes what he says.
00:21:00.220And here they are, the quote unquote tolerant lefties who see a black man who behaves differently than they want black men to behave.
00:21:06.960And then they're allowed to call him all the worst things in the book.
00:21:09.480And that's when I realized that that was just a new what I would say is sort of like an insidious or pernicious racism.
00:21:15.400It's not it's not overt. You can't go to the water fountain, you know, something much more dangerous in a way.
00:21:20.980Now, this is a you've probably heard of the Gell Mann idea.
00:21:26.120Gell Mann was a physicist who said that if you if you read the news for a story that you actually know the facts, you see it's all fake.
00:21:35.060But then you read you read the very next story that you don't know anything about and you accept it as true.
00:21:40.000Yeah, no. Everyone that you know about is fake.
00:21:43.000So was this your first experience seeing that the news was fake because you actually knew the real story?
00:21:49.220Well, not only did I know the real story, then I knew the people who were delivering the news.
00:21:55.860And, you know, one of the things that I do in the book is lay out what I think are four types of fake news.
00:22:01.240And what I find to be the most dangerous one of them is the one that we're really, really seeing right now.
00:22:06.520You know, people think fake news is just, oh, a fake headline.
00:22:09.160And then and, you know, just like a made up story or a headline that doesn't match the story.
00:22:13.160But what I think the most dangerous one is, is what we're seeing with Biden right now, which is that we all heard about any any of us.
00:22:20.160Right. Scott, we're we're creatures of the Internet and Twitter and YouTube.
00:22:23.240It's like we've all been hearing about this Tara Reade stuff for probably two months.
00:22:27.260And it wasn't it wasn't until literally last Saturday.
00:22:30.520So I believe it was five days ago or so that CNN finally talked about it.
00:22:35.160And then apparently this morning, I guess, MSNBC talked about it.
00:22:38.840But it's like that's a type of fake news when they intentionally ignore a story because it goes against their narrative.
00:22:46.440That's fake. And we know that's clearly not what they did with Kavanaugh.
00:22:49.900So I think knowing some of the tips, I mean, I think you're probably one of the best communicators on this kind of stuff of like getting people to understand, like, the basic framework for the nonsense, because we really need it these days.
00:23:01.440Yeah. One of the things that made me laugh out loud is your your tips for recognizing fake news.
00:23:07.760There's one of them there that should never have to be said.
00:23:10.460But the fact that it had to be said made me laugh, which is to check the story to see if it matches the headline.
00:23:17.120Yeah. I thought, you know, you if you didn't know that that happens all the time, like it's just the most common thing that the story doesn't match the headline.
00:23:26.980But you the first time you read that, you say, come on. How how how often I mean, really, Dave, how often does that happen?
00:23:34.380Did that happen once in your general? No, it's like a common thing every week.
00:23:39.700Not only is it a common thing, but, you know, because of Twitter and the way we all ingest news, it's an intentional it's an intentional shell game.
00:23:47.760You know what I mean? They know that that probably I would guess I'd love to see some numbers on this, but I'm guessing that something like 90 percent of the people only look at the headline and they know they know that they can play that game.
00:24:00.340Yeah. You had another tip for funding fake news. I do a version of this.
00:24:05.660You said if it looks too good to be true, I say if it's too on the nose.
00:24:10.880Yeah. In other words, it's the same thing. It's it's it's exactly what you'd expect.
00:24:16.560Your critics would expect from you, basically. It's like it's just too perfectly the narrative.
00:24:21.700And you see this so often when I was listening to the the latest story about the president was mad at Brad Parscale and yelled at him on the phone and was going to sue him as if that made sense.
00:24:35.760And then, of course, it took 24 hours for the president to say, no, none of that happened.
00:24:39.800Yeah, it's it's just endless. All of this stuff.
00:24:44.440You know, the Jesse Smollett one is the is the perfect example of that one.
00:24:47.420It's right. It fit what every blue check journalist and what every progressive that was at the time running for president from Cory Booker and and Kamala Harris.
00:24:57.380And then, you know, it leaked it to Pelosi and Schumer. It fit their narrative perfectly.
00:25:01.760You know, this black gay man assaulted and it's MAGA country and he's got a noose and the whole thing.
00:25:07.160And it's like I purposely didn't tweet about it for those first couple of days because I was like there is this is way too storybook for the whole thing.
00:25:17.020And then, of course, what happens? It's all a lie. Right.
00:25:19.820And then the close cousin of that one is the Scott Alexander, a famous blogger, said this, that if there's something that's too hard to believe, it probably didn't happen.
00:25:30.820It's like, you know, and there was a conservative who, you know, ate a liberal for dinner and something.
00:25:36.580You say, you know, just on the surface, I'm going to say that probably didn't happen.
00:25:40.920Then you wait 24 hours and didn't happen.
00:25:43.180So then sort of bookending your journey, which which I found fascinating, really, the whole the whole way, just just watching your, you know, a good movie script.
00:25:55.300This is a script reader script writer's trick is that it's a journey of the star.
00:26:01.000The star starts out in a certain way and you watch their arc as they they learn and become a different person in the end.
00:26:06.940And you naturally have that in your story. So that made that it just made it come to life.
00:26:11.320But I love the part where you met your mentor.
00:26:15.580Yeah. Let's let's say that. Give us give us the quick version of that.
00:26:20.720Yeah, well, it's absolutely true. What I write in the book, I was doing a show with Jordan and Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro here.
00:26:27.460And that night he was doing his first tour show. So it's sort of hard to remember because this is over two years ago now.
00:26:32.860You know, we all think of Jordan like this sort of Jesus character or just that he was always this like massive, you know, intellectual rock star.
00:26:40.760But he was doing his first test show, a theater show here at the Orpium in L.A. that night.
00:26:46.020And I finished up the show with him and Ben. And really, as a joke, it was more like it was just like a passing comment.
00:26:51.600I was like, hey, you know, if you want me to come down with you tonight and warm up the crowd, I'll tell a couple of lobster jokes and, you know, we'll see what happens.
00:26:58.280And without missing a beat, he's like, yeah, let's do it. I'll see you there.
00:27:01.520And I went. And and I think really this this moment that I'm about to tell you,
00:27:06.080I think was the moment that actually like sort of gave me the confidence to do everything that's happened over the last couple of years.
00:27:11.760There's about three thousand people there. I'd never done.
00:27:14.520You know, I've done stand up for hundreds of people, but never done something for that many people.
00:27:18.620Nobody knew I was going to be there, obviously, because it was it was our little secret.
00:27:22.160And when the P.A. announcer, he said, and now welcome the host of The Rubin Report, Dave Rubin.
00:45:59.880But of course, he was the smart one in the room.
00:46:03.400Because this was never a healthcare decision.
00:46:06.220It was always a risk management decision.
00:46:10.400And part of the risk is the, you know, what the experts are telling you.
00:46:15.580But part of the risk is the economy too.
00:46:18.160And as a leader, he is not obliged to take one expert's advice and live with it.
00:46:23.540He is obliged to look at all the advice and make a comprehensive decision.
00:46:28.280I believe that the president's risk management analysis of hydroxychloroquine from the first day was spot on.
00:46:36.400Meaning that we didn't know if it would work, but there were some indications that, you know, there was a good chance.
00:46:44.860And we knew the odds of hurting you were so low that if it worked, it could save the whole economy of the world and it would be the biggest benefit ever.
00:47:24.380So the president's, anyway, this was reported in Zero Hedge.
00:47:30.860So that doesn't have much credibility in the Internet world.
00:47:34.520They've been, I think Zero Hedge has been banned from Twitter, et cetera.
00:47:38.440So I can't tell you that Zero Hedge reports only things that are true, but they do report that the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, the AAPS, which has represented physicians and blah, blah, blah, since 1943,
00:47:55.160is just wrote a letter and saying basically we should use this hydroxychloroquine because there are enough studies.
00:48:04.100If you look at all of them, it's pretty clear that it makes a difference.
00:48:06.940So that might be the news we're waiting for.
00:48:14.640Remember I told you that this next two weeks, or sort of one week into the next two weeks I was talking about, would be, like, incredible.
00:48:25.280That a whole bunch of stuff will emerge that we find out, we invent, we discover.
00:49:10.940Let's say you've got a leader, and there's a, he's got a decision to make, or she.
00:49:16.760And the leader talks to all the experts, and after all talking to the experts, finds out that there's a 70% chance if you make this decision, things will go well, and a 30% chance it won't.
00:49:31.540So the leader takes the odds, the high odds, and makes the decision that it's a 70% chance to work out right, but then in the end it doesn't.
00:49:47.780If the leader makes the decision that favors the odds, but it doesn't work out, because not everything works out, did the leader make a mistake?
00:49:58.460Well, in our world, we say, yes, the leader made a mistake.
00:50:08.220If you were to follow the odds every time that they are presented to you, over time, you're going to get better results, assuming that the odds were properly calculated.
00:50:18.320Over time, you're going to have more right than wrong decisions, and that's sort of the best you can do.
00:50:24.460Nobody can guarantee that you got this decision right, but it is nearly a guarantee that if you follow the odds consistently over your lifetime,
00:50:34.200you're almost certainly to get better results than if you don't.
00:50:38.220You could get bad luck and it doesn't work out, but following the odds is always the right decision.
00:50:44.020So if President Trump had followed the odds, which were, let's try this stuff.
00:50:50.660If it doesn't work, a few people might die, but it's still worth it.
00:50:54.880He couldn't say that out loud, but that's basically the expected value is the way you calculate that.
00:51:01.580So there's an actual calculation for that.
00:51:04.480So when the president makes a decision about opening or not, he's going to be doing it based on statistics and the odds as best he can calculate them.
00:51:17.300And I've been saying this from the beginning.
00:51:19.460Since we're in a fog of war, all of our data is questionable.
00:51:23.280Everything we're finding out about this virus is questionable.
00:51:31.160We don't have much good information, at least good enough, to be confident about the decision, but decision we must make.
00:51:38.040So I've been saying that no matter what the president decides, and I will extend this to the governors so it's not political, no matter whether you're a blue state or red state governor, I'm going to say this as clearly as I can, and I'm going to be shouting this in a few months.
00:51:53.840It's like, at the moment, I care about it quite a bit, but I'm going to really care about it later, and it's going to make me mad.
00:52:03.340All of these leaders, I believe, want what's best because, of course, what's best for their state or the country is what's best for them politically.
00:52:12.980So there's no difference in what the leaders want.
00:52:16.840They want what's good for the state and the country, and that's the only way it's good for them, period.
00:52:22.380So they're making, the first thing you need to know is they're all making honest decisions without complications, meaning that I believe their intentions are pretty much universally exactly where you want them.
00:52:40.060Now, somebody's saying, hey, Michigan's getting a little political, whatever, you could find differences in the margins.
00:52:46.660Like you could say, oh, the beach thing, I don't like that, whatever, but those are not the big things.
00:52:52.380You know, the big thing is the main businesses, the economy.
00:52:56.680So different leaders are going to be making different decisions.
00:53:01.320I believe that all of them will be well-intentioned, informed as best they can be informed, and they'll just have to take a shot at it.
00:53:10.820So I would say you should forgive all of them in advance.
00:53:16.280Some of them are going to get it right by luck.
00:53:19.660Some of them are going to get it really wrong, but it's going to be kind of bad luck because there is a right answer, and there is something that's going to work better than something else, but we don't know that.
00:53:31.140And everybody who says they do know that is the least credible person in the conversation.
00:53:37.720So if you're watching the pundits or you're on social media and somebody is saying, we must do this, no matter what is, no matter whether we must stay closed or we must open up now or anything in between,
00:53:53.120if you're positive about it, you're not very credible because you shouldn't be positive about something so unknowable.
00:54:10.360We all want what's best for the people in this country.
00:54:13.200It's just hard, and I think we should give them a pass in advance because some number of them are going to make the wrong decision.
00:54:24.180Don't know who, but somebody is going to be wrong, and I'm going to say, be they Democrat or be they Republican, I'm going to say it just as loud at the end.
00:54:35.760You didn't have to make that decision.
00:54:38.780You didn't have to make that decision.
00:54:41.160The governor did, be they Democrat, be they Republican, be they the president.
00:54:48.000They had to make the decision, and I'm going to give them as much freedom ahead of time as I can because I think that's best for me and best for the country.
00:55:00.220I want them to know that as long as they're well-intentioned, I'm going to have their backs after the fact, even if it goes wrong.
00:55:07.420Even if it goes wrong, I'm going to have all of their backs, Democrat or Republican, because there is no right decision, and we need to get past that.
00:55:18.620We need to grow up a little and say, this is going to be tough.
00:55:22.520Some of them are going to do it wrong.
00:55:42.200And you know what the smart way is, right?
00:55:44.860Now, again, I don't know that it would work because nobody is that good at predicting the future, but there is a smart way.
00:55:54.260The smart way is to send young people to work and keep the old people back or protect them or give them the option if they want to take the choice.
00:56:04.140But why are we treating it like it's geography?
00:56:24.220But common sense tells me that sending young people back to school, et cetera, back to work, you know, why can't Starbucks be open with 20-somethings working the Starbucks?
00:56:37.060Is it because the customers will get infected?
00:56:39.200I mean, there's a way to keep them away from each other.
00:56:43.520So my only hypothesis for why we're not doing it the smart way, which is sending the young back to work right away, is that the government can't suggest that because it would be age discrimination.
00:56:59.340I don't think anybody can say that out loud, but I can't think of another reason, not even a potential one that somebody has suggested.
00:57:09.680Oh, it's because, Scott, you forgot because of this.
00:58:01.340And now it's not happening, so I imagine that if you ask the politician in public, they would equivocate and answer the wrong question and avoid the question.
00:58:10.800So I don't know if you can ask anybody because they're not going to answer it directly.
00:59:07.740Because somebody's going to die, either the people who died from economic calamity or the people who died because they got the coronavirus and they're old or they have a comorbidity or something.
01:00:01.440You're seeing that the president is really a, I would say the president is a slave to the medical experts because it's the only thing that the public would accept.
01:00:11.080If the president made a decision that was counter to what the medical experts say, we would not accept our president anymore.
01:00:20.340If the medical experts said do A and your leader, it doesn't matter who it is, your leader comes out and says, well, the medical experts say A, but I've looked at the whole situation.
01:00:31.380If you consider everything, we're better off doing B.
01:01:38.420There's not much to say about that except that I don't think anybody knows what's happening with these Trump approval numbers because it's changing from week to week so wildly.