00:16:21.860Oh my gosh. All right. So you guys, I love that. I love hearing from Scott and watching your
00:16:29.640comments. And I feel like we all needed to just kind of regroup a little and remember how everything
00:16:36.160does work, especially in these times. So Marcella, I'm going to come to you first. So
00:16:42.360how do you want to wrap that up? Well, what he's saying applies to
00:16:50.300every story we have, especially the important stories like Iran. Um, but one thing that was
00:16:58.080really, uh, what he said at the end is not what is being said, but who is saying it is very
00:17:04.300important. Today, this morning, I woke up to Pete Hicks. Um, I didn't wake up with him. I woke up
00:17:14.140to him. He did a conference, a press conference. And one thing he did, he must have been a good
00:17:20.380student of Scott's because there was a reporter that asked questions and he's like, oh, you're
00:17:26.460from ABC. So the reporter actually didn't have questions, legitimate question. It was just an
00:17:34.620accusations that were being made. But I like the fact that Trump and Scott are both teaching us
00:17:44.120that it's not really what's being said, but who is saying it. But going beyond that, the gears of
00:17:50.540the machine, if you can see it, are there and they're being done in regards to Iran. One of
00:17:59.100the things that we talk about is all of us see the news differently. All of us have different
00:18:04.100opinions. However, they are not really opinions. They are assigned to us. And one of the things
00:18:12.380that he goes in is the system of how it's assigned. Um, and you can see it, um, in regards to the
00:18:20.600Democrats, they are never, um, and the designated liars, certain people that come out and say
00:18:27.560certain things. I could go on and on about how this is working in the story for Iran, but I think
00:18:34.560the clear just to end this i think it's great to have somebody like scott diagram it because you
00:18:44.200need to actually put it in in in perspective and actually in writing in order to see it um in
00:18:50.640regards to um the right in a way when he was talking about it it was more about the viden
00:18:58.960administration um i think it depends on what administration is in power in regards to the
00:19:04.480cia fbi and all that i there's a sentiment from some people that the fbi the cia there are um
00:19:14.560pushing uh trump's agenda on x and i read it and on sort of sort of things which you know that's
00:19:22.820what happens that's politics yeah like it applies to both sides like you said and you know what's
00:19:28.460so interesting too so during the biden administration and the first trump administration
00:19:34.040you know, think about the people that were pushing the biggest amounts of bullshit, like
00:19:40.300Don Lemon, Joy Reid, I'm going to say Chris Cuomo, all of them. So now look at them, right? They're
00:19:48.600not with their jobs anymore. And look how disgusting they are when the corporate
00:19:55.420handcuffs came off. I mean, they were already horrendous, but now when they don't have anyone,
00:20:00.380you know, that they have to answer to and you just see how, how brutal they are, what they
00:20:06.340really think deep down and what their opinions are and the racism and, um, all of that stuff.
00:20:12.980It's just like, here's my allegedly in my opinion, but it's like, you know, Rachel Maddow. I mean,
00:20:18.020you, if you, if you take that bazillion dollar contract away from her and let her just speak
00:20:23.260freely, freely, it's going to be the same thing. So I do think that you have to definitely,
00:20:30.580and I saw that too with Pete Hegseth this morning where, you know, someone asked a question and he
00:20:35.020was like, ABC, of course. And then when Raisin Cain was like, I don't understand your question.
00:20:40.720He's like, oh no, that was a back, you know, that was like a snipe wrapped up in a question. She
00:20:46.740wasn't actually asking a question. And I was just like, that's right, because you see the news
00:20:50.940outlet they come from and i love that scott taught us this you know how to instantly we just have to
00:20:56.700remember instantly who's the source and where is it coming from one thing that he is missing in
00:21:03.260there which he would agree with is that in social media like you talked about joe reed and all that
00:21:09.580and don lemon um being independent i think some of the things that are driving um on the right
00:21:18.140and on the left that are that are helping in regards to social media is that you want clicks
00:21:23.820you want to have the craziest perspective it's like uh the moon doesn't exist i have the story
00:21:31.420you know like that's um that's also like what's driving it is being getting attention and attention
00:21:39.980the way that you get attention most of the time is to say crazy things so oh yeah so owen let's
00:21:46.940let's get your take on that thanks marcella yeah well i mentioned i looked up phil bump unfortunately
00:21:52.540he's no longer with the washington post so he somehow lost that job but um he is with ms now
00:21:58.860so he found a new home and uh perfect apparently he's still around i don't think i'll ever see that
00:22:04.300but um no i think it was a brilliant analysis i think it is very informative i think it's pretty
00:22:09.660accurate i think you know if i if i just think about how i might update it or elaborate on it
00:22:14.940Like one thing that I might add on the Democrat side would be all the NGOs because there's
00:22:21.680so much funding coming into those NGOs and a lot of it's taxpayer dollars.
00:22:26.600I know Trump has started putting a stop to a lot of that, but you know, that I think
00:22:32.520still is a big source of media manipulation that they, you know, have all these vested
00:22:38.620interests and lots of money behind it.
00:22:40.240And when you look at like the no Kings protests and then you see, oh, there's lots of money
00:22:44.480coming into that from soros or from open society or from some other place and so i think that might
00:22:50.200be an additional factor is that they try to set the narratives that way but i think it still
00:22:54.560follows the same top-down model that scott was describing the other thing i would wonder is how
00:23:00.640he would treat ai in this uh regard because you know it's um something that is becoming a new
00:23:11.100source for many many people and people generally trust oh well the ai said this i mean even on the
00:23:17.180right some people say oh grok told me this and um but i think it's all based on whatever bias was
00:23:25.160put into those things whatever sources were put into those things and a lot of them come right
00:23:28.880back to the media that we just saw in terms of you know if it's biased in some way or another
00:23:34.660or the majority of the coverage was slanted a certain way then that's most likely what the ai
00:23:39.680is going to tell you when you ask them about any kind of political issue and so i think that's
00:23:44.560another way that is skewing the narrative that they're trying to i mean it may or may not be
00:23:49.640intentional but it's just the end result is that a lot of that liberal bias has leaked into ai
00:23:55.200and will now guide a lot of people's beliefs because when they ask about something or fact
00:24:00.420check something they don't necessarily go to whatever those fact checking sources are anymore
00:24:04.960they'll ask their favorite ai and um then they'll just believe whatever it tells them and there is
00:24:11.120a story i had i posted today where scientists invented a fake disease and published it but it
00:24:19.300was like obviously fake so like they made up this fake eye disease and they you know they said things
00:24:25.700like oh it's the you know it was a non-existent university they gave thanks to the starfleet
00:24:31.880academy um and they even had statements in it like this entire paper is made up right and so
00:24:37.140what happened in bing co-pilot was they called it an intriguing and relatively rare condition and
00:24:42.680google gemini says this thing is a condition caused by whatever and so like ai just kind of
00:24:48.460takes this stuff for granted as truth right it doesn't do any critical analysis and say this is
00:24:53.080bs i'm not going to include this um and so now people are starting to manipulate ai in many ways
00:24:59.840I mean, there are places that are trying to feed whatever they want to get into AI just by publishing it on websites or places like Reddit or other things.
00:25:09.300And then it gets fed right through the system.
00:25:11.960Who are the people there was like, I'm going to botch it.
00:25:16.640I don't know why I say things when I can't remember, but somebody wrote a book or a story.
00:25:21.920It's like it's so popular and it was all made up and it like went around the world like this whole entire thing.
00:25:28.800but it's, it's just reminding me of that. Somebody will remember, but it's just amazing
00:25:34.000because, you know, think about the AI that you guys use for your personal assistant. Like I have
00:25:39.900Chester and Chester, you know, pretty much knows my personality. He knows my sarcasm. He knows what
00:25:47.160I want to hear, but I have to always remind him like, don't give me a slant. Like, I don't want
00:25:52.020you to stroke my ego. And he's like, okay, all right. You know, like, let me dig deeper, you
00:25:55.940know, whatever, but you can also tell them to stop doing it. I don't know how accurate it will be,
00:26:00.520but like everything else, you know, what is the source and where is the source getting the
00:26:06.840information from? It's like when, you know, Scott would teach us like, oh, there's a poll. Well,
00:26:11.260who paid for the poll? Like, you know, who wanted this poll? Like what's the slant?
00:26:15.840But I just love that, especially now with the fog of war and so much going on all over the world.
00:26:22.740you know we definitely have to see i mean yesterday you know joel pollock made a great
00:26:29.420point too where he you know his reframe that he thinks scott might have also said was that
00:26:35.020you know trump used the crazy like unhinged i hate trump tds loving people to be like we have
00:26:46.780to impeach him 25th amendment oh my god we gotta act now and it was like you know so here he is
00:26:53.460just tweeting something which you know you can say is absolutely crazy and then everybody reacted
00:26:59.060to it and then iran's like oh shit like they're saying impeach this guy like he's insane he'll do
00:27:04.640it like you know maybe that was like a maneuver that trump used to be like you know what like
00:27:10.280we better think past the sale here like they're sending planes out he's saying this they're saying
00:27:16.160impeach him um you know so maybe that was like a maneuver to use the tds people and just your
00:27:25.340everyday people i mean a lot of people were very worried um to encourage the iranians to talk i
00:27:31.680don't know maybe um i definitely think trump is a master at manipulating the media i think he's a
00:27:37.360master at you know changing the topic or distracting people when he wants to or just
00:27:42.040controlling the news cycle and in this scenario i would imagine you're right that he probably
00:27:46.540could anticipate that you know the more he could convince his enemies to be like he's gonna do it
00:27:52.380oh my god you know and he's gonna nuke i mean there's lots of people saying he's gonna nuke
00:27:56.500iran like it just that's crazy and um but it probably serves trump's purposes for them to
00:28:04.200say that so he probably doesn't even you know try and shut that down because it's like yeah let him
00:28:08.880say it yeah i mean that work what do you think marcel about that i mean i feel like his tweet
00:28:13.880was it very much pissed off a ton of people um or you could look at it like it was very intentional
00:28:23.500you know knowing pretty much knowing certain things were going to happen if he did it what
00:28:28.480what do you think happened i mean we're mind reading but well he intentionally does the truth
00:28:35.220social posts to the enemy but not just the enemy of iran but to his enemy at home um but you know
00:28:44.100what's what's it is kind of like it shows you how brainwash or how ignorant i don't even want to say
00:28:53.720ignorant but just out of touch with what trump does is when people react to it um in the way
00:29:01.960that Ro Khanna had reacted to it with the 25th amendment and he's so out of it. Ilhan Omar saying
00:29:09.120the same thing. AOC saying similar things. It's just like, to me, either they, most likely they're
00:29:18.580designated liars and they're just saying these kinds of things just because it's, it's for their
00:29:23.940base. And I don't really think they could believe it because for 10 years, we've been through this
00:29:30.060many times over where Trump talks like this to an enemy and then you see negotiations and you see
00:29:37.840de-escalation like North Korea you know although this is higher stakes because we have the military
00:29:46.540there but it's just like if you had read the art of the deal if you had you know if you even were
00:29:53.660paying attention. So to me, it's interesting that people react in this fashion. But part of me
00:30:02.440thinks that the left is doing it on purpose, you know, that they pretty much know that he was,
00:30:08.580he was going to seek a C, a C spy, but they just pretend to, you know, escalate this.
00:30:16.840Yeah, it was, yeah, Ro Khanna. I mean, did he ever fool any of you guys? He tried to like
00:30:22.480sidle up to tom massey and i'm just like dude you are no thomas massey and by the way i i happen to
00:30:29.040love thomas massey um rocona no nope not so much and now today you know then then he's like you
00:30:35.820know now they're like all you know singing another tune today you know i don't know like it's just
00:30:41.660it's too much and it's that's why yesterday i was trying to say like manage your your emotions right
00:30:47.440now because it's going to be like up down up down marcella what is it so are they are they retarded
00:30:53.080in the chat put it in or are they just designated liars creating fabricating a story so you know
00:31:02.440yeah either they're you know or maybe both i don't know yeah i'd go with both i'd go with both they
00:31:08.740are definitely i mean ro connor it's just so funny how many people were duped by him thinking that
00:31:14.500he was some kind of reasonable person. I mean, all these people, Cory Booker, they all have
00:31:20.140eyes for being president and it's not going to happen. I mean, God willing. So I just love that,
00:31:27.960you guys. It's a good reminder. So moving forward with everything happening at all times, I just
00:31:34.720feel like we're so hyped up. I mean, a war will really heighten things and make us worry a little
00:31:41.880bit more or be angry more or whatever, like everything's more. So just consider who's giving
00:31:48.400you your news. What, you know, what is Trump's history like? I mean, he's been, I wrote the
00:31:54.480other day, he's the most consistent person I've ever seen in my life. I mean, he will take things
00:32:00.940to the edge. He's is consistent on, you know, how he feels about things, you know, his policy ideas
00:32:08.560from way back in like the early nineties, nothing's changed. Um, he's not a crazy unhinged
00:32:14.640man, but I think as long as people are going to act like he is, he might as well just use that
00:32:20.160to his advantage. And, um, hopefully it's going to work. You know, a lot of you guys say trust in
00:32:26.060Trump. I hope so. You know, so far I feel like I will. And, uh, you know, I I'm always on the
00:32:35.320fence about things, you guys. Sorry, not sorry. But Owen, yeah, go ahead.
00:32:38.700I do think we're in a better spot than the left in terms of just understanding and predicting
00:32:43.320the future. Like, you know, I mentioned yesterday, I'm like, you know, I wouldn't be surprised if
00:32:48.620there's another extension or there's something else that happens. And, you know, I certainly
00:32:52.820wasn't sure. You know, I could definitely see Trump following through and doing what he said
00:32:57.700he was going to do at eight o'clock last night. But, you know, I could see that as a possibility,
00:33:02.980as a possible path and you can interpret okay i can see what trump's doing here right like i can
00:33:08.080see that he's trying to get them to come to the table and make a deal and to make whatever
00:33:11.940concessions the u.s wants them to make and that's the real intent it's not just i want to go blow
00:33:18.720them back to the stone age he's making that threat to get them to the table you know that's and even
00:33:25.500if he did the attack it would be with the same intent it's not to you know kill all the iranian
00:33:30.240people. It's to say, okay, I'm going to go as far as I need to go to get you to agree to stop this
00:33:36.600and to open the street and to make a deal and whatever we need to do to bring this to a
00:33:42.140conclusion. And so I just really kind of wonder what it's like to be on the other side when you're
00:33:47.940being jerked around all the time and you're thinking, oh my God, you know, World War III is
00:33:51.680here. And then all of a sudden you get yanked back and it's like, nope, not this time. And it
00:33:56.820just keeps happening over and over again what do you think though about um i just want to see one
00:34:02.320thing here i guess nobody saw the friendships that were occurring during the biden administration
00:34:06.900between russia and china and iran no that wasn't happening i mean accurate um but what do you guys
00:34:14.560think because i think the weird layer um is that whether whether what i'm saying right now is
00:34:22.980exactly uh how it is or not the appearance is is that we're in this war doing it with israel and i
00:34:31.220feel like that's a layer that we're not used to um you know like hearing that netanyahu was in the
00:34:39.620situation room with trump and trump didn't sit at the head of the table he sat in an equal position
00:34:47.220with netanyahu not at the head of the table um bothers me and um i don't know why it just does
00:34:54.420i mean i know why now is that accurate yeah because that doesn't sound accurate it's that's
00:35:01.140that's a true inaccurate statement from um from a source of glenn greenwald
00:35:07.940yeah and so yeah so well i think real palestinian person maybe but yeah i if that oh so if that is
00:35:21.700true marcella would that bother you it all depends on what happens what it doesn't you know i i don't
00:35:30.680see in regards to where people sit and to what power. I know Trump is Trump. We all do. And he's
00:35:40.660not the type to be told what to do. So regardless, at the age of almost 80, he, you know, so this
00:35:49.580ridiculous notion that Israel is telling them, telling America what to do, versus America telling
00:35:57.600israel what they're gonna do you know to me to me as an outsider because i wasn't born in this nation
00:36:06.000i don't see it that way i do see trump in control so that's how i see it i mean i'd like to believe
00:36:13.440that but i i also you know listen you guys um glenn greenwald like what like i i'm not this
00:36:22.000I'm not like a sides person. Okay. Glenn Greenwald has given some of the most amazing reporting on
00:36:28.840so many things over the years, his sources. If it's a story that, you know, you're interested
00:36:35.080in and you're like, wow, that was amazing. And you know, it's true and whatever. And it turned
00:36:39.340out to be accurate. Glenn's got really amazing resources because he's saying something that you
00:36:46.060might not like, not you Marcella, but anybody doesn't negate the fact that he has great sources.
00:36:51.680like he still has great sources. He's a serious journalist. Maybe he's triggered by things. Some
00:36:58.480of us aren't. So I don't think he would have put that out there just for the sake of putting that
00:37:03.500out there. He doesn't seem like that to me. He's always been pretty accurate. I'm not saying Trump
00:37:09.240is taking orders from Netanyahu, but the situation is different. And, you know, like I was saying
00:37:16.340yesterday, so Trump's making this deal and like eight, not a deal, but a threat. And at eight
00:37:20.700o'clock, you know, on Tuesday night, blah, blah, blah. And then Israel's bombing, you know, the
00:37:26.340rail bridges and whatever. Okay. Like maybe they knew that was going to happen, but it feels
00:37:32.740different to me. Like we are doing this war with Israel. I don't know who's calling the shots. I
00:37:39.820don't know that it matters, but it, but it is a weird layer to this that I think is hyping it up
00:37:46.180for people um is how i see it i don't know if anyone agrees with that i'm not saying anyone's
00:37:51.440right wrong or bad or good it just it's just different and i don't know how to look at it
00:37:56.260like i would bet a billion bucks that the u.s is the one directing everything i i think i think
00:38:04.940trump is calling the shots i don't think netanyahu is in control because i don't think it would have
00:38:08.880played out this way if they did i think netanyahu has an interest in continuing this war for a long
00:38:14.060time. He has a personal interest in that because he's probably going to be facing corruption
00:38:18.240charges as soon as he's out of a war situation and he's going to lose office. And so he has every
00:38:24.040incentive to keep fighting as long as possible. And I don't think there would have been a ceasefire
00:38:30.180if Netanyahu had a decision-making role in that. And I think what we've seen is they are still
00:38:36.160bombing Lebanon right now, but that at least they did agree, okay, we're going to stop bombing Iran
00:38:42.700and they stopped doing that so they are going along with what trump is asking them to do
00:38:47.260and i don't know how you could you know be in a joint war with someone like israel without
00:38:53.260having a clear chain of command and having clear coordination because you know it would be chaos
00:38:58.520if netanyahu was going to disobey what trump wanted or what the u.s told him hey we're doing
00:39:03.840this you need to get in line and do the same thing um and i i think netanyahu certainly knows that we
00:39:11.240could pull out of that alliance at any time if he pissed trump off and i don't think it's the
00:39:15.340other way around so um you know they're very dependent on us and i think um certainly we are
00:39:22.740strong allies and you can have whatever opinion you want about that i mean you know i'm i don't
00:39:27.540want to be you know doing what israel wants us to do um and having that guide our foreign policy
00:39:34.960but i do think it's a broader picture than that it's not just about israel it's not just about
00:39:39.200Iran. It's about China and Russia and all these other players in the region. And I think ultimately
00:39:44.980Trump's objective is to bring peace to the Middle East. He's talked about it bringing a golden age
00:39:49.140to the Middle East. And so I think that's been his agenda for a long time. And that does put us
00:39:54.420on the side of Israel to some extent. I mean, it doesn't mean we're going to go with the whole
00:39:58.660greater Israel. Let's let Israel expand and take over. But it does mean that they need to protect
00:40:04.900Israel and they need to get all these other countries in the region to stop attacking
00:44:35.480And I mean, I would just say, like, to me, I would probably accept that maybe there is a fact that Trump didn't sit at the head of the table and he sat across from Netanyahu instead.
00:49:39.960Well, there's a story about AI assistance reducing persistence and hurting independent performance.
00:49:47.060They did some kind of trial with 1,200 or so people, and they said AI kind of puts you in this short-term task mindset where it's like they'll try and optimize for a short-term result, but they don't really think long-term and play the long game sort of thing.
00:50:02.740And so they said this effect appears after just 10 minutes that it gives you these instant answers. So you don't have that struggle you need to be able to really learn something. And so it, you know, it points out that persistence predicts long term skill acquisition.
00:50:18.240And so it's really a warning to people that you need to watch out for that because otherwise you might never, you know, really pick up skills over the long term or having a good long term result because the AI is sort of putting you in this short term mindset where you're not really looking to gain those long term skills.