Real Coffee with Scott Adams - The Scott Adams School - 04⧸23⧸26 MICHAEL MALICE Joins Erica, Owen & Marcela

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00:00:24.320 He's grabbing some water.

00:00:26.060 Welcome, everybody.

00:00:28.640 Good morning.

00:00:30.740 You guys, you know I'm out of my mind giddy today, right,

00:00:33.320 with Michael being here.

00:00:34.800 So excited.

00:00:36.580 Good morning, everyone.

00:00:39.040 Let's just get this out of the way.

00:00:41.620 Michael is an underwear model.

00:00:44.580 Yeah.

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00:00:48.660 sheath is the only underwear i think with dual pouch technology which has one part pouch for

00:00:55.040 one part of your male anatomy another pouch another part of your male anatomy and i'm wearing

00:00:58.240 it now so it's nice which which part is 15 off well one part's like 75 off thanks to my

00:01:06.620 unfortunate genetics but i'm wearing it right now it's really fun to talk to people knowing

00:01:10.980 your underwear is gripping your junk yeah that's nice does anyone have um a speaker playing out

00:01:16.120 loud just check that um all right so you guys that's michael and um thank you for coming so 0.97

00:01:22.340 listen we can't do anything until we do one thing first so you guys let's join me now with scott

00:01:30.220 but first the simultaneous sip the thing you're all here for i know you are and all you need is

00:01:36.520 a cup or mug or a glass a tank or chalice or stein a canteen jug or flask a vessel of any kind

00:01:41.700 And I like coffee.

00:01:45.020 And join me now for this simultaneous sip.

00:01:47.200 It's the thing that makes everything better.

00:01:49.480 It's the dopamine hit of the day.

00:01:52.160 Go.

00:01:56.480 Oh, yeah.

00:01:59.860 Impeachee.

00:02:02.080 Oh, that's the Impeachee one.

00:02:04.300 I love that.

00:02:06.320 Now I'm sleepy and depressed.

00:02:08.320 oh no michael we're so excited you're here hi everybody i'm erica you are at the scott adams

00:02:15.800 school um i am out of my mind i was going to say something else with michael being here we have

00:02:21.940 marcella and always stoic owen who as michael has quickly caught on to he just doesn't like to do

00:02:28.460 hair makeup and clothes so owen just has a photo um that or he works for the alphabet agencies

00:02:34.520 We're not sure. So Michael, listen, it's been like a dream to have you on and-

00:02:43.660 Do you think we should be sleeping? 0.82

00:02:46.360 Michael, everybody should be sleeping, but Scott had a crazy ass work ethic. So we're up. We're up. 0.95

00:02:53.340 Okay. I can do this.

00:02:55.320 You can do it. You can do it. All right. So I just want to start off on a,

00:03:01.760 i'm going to start off on a little funny note for a second so i've been watching you michael for

00:03:06.240 i don't know what's called ever and you sound like owen and his alphabet city brothers

00:03:13.520 i sound like him yeah because i've been watching him

00:03:18.480 yes right oh my god all right so what you guys need to understand and this is that was the

00:03:24.560 perfect segue is that michael is like i don't like calling you a troll although it's like an honor 0.68

00:03:30.160 yeah i know you're a troll you're a troll the best troll too because if you don't understand 0.75

00:03:35.440 what's happening you just don't get it so i want to give you an example so we had um 0.96

00:03:40.960 we had your friend lisa de pasquale on and our friend um and i found an old clip and i asked

00:03:48.080 our friend jay plemmons if he could just make a little compilation for me about what i'm talking

00:03:53.200 about. So here's Lisa with Michael on his podcast. You're welcome. I think this was about six years

00:04:01.160 ago and she's talking about her weight loss journey with Michael. And here's a little clip

00:04:05.500 of how that went. We have a very, very special episode today. We've got Lisa DiPasquale,

00:04:10.780 who's the author of the SJW handbook, but good friend. And more importantly, you lost a hundred

00:04:16.700 pounds 110 pounds 110 yeah 145 for my height is is considered normal a lot of preemies do end up

00:04:24.960 being overweight because they're always being overfed and i was a month premature um coming

00:04:30.660 home to an empty house it was just like a free-for-all so i would basically have like

00:04:34.340 a second lunch or first dinner or you know whatever and that was sort and i thank you um

00:04:40.460 That was my, like, alone time.

00:04:43.640 And I think that might be part of why I was going for quantity because it didn't taste, like, particularly good, you know?

00:04:50.680 So remind people.

00:04:53.260 So, you know, I remember there was – you remember the presidential fitness test?

00:04:57.000 Of course.

00:04:57.580 Okay, so to do that, and it didn't work.

00:05:01.380 Because you have to take that test in front of everybody.

00:05:03.200 Yeah. 1.00

00:05:03.380 So you knew you were going to look like an ass. 1.00

00:05:06.940 I mean, that's Michael. 1.00

00:05:09.040 wait wait you missed the best part that was it that was the clip no no no no you missed the best

00:05:14.240 part the best part was i had some i was making sandwiches with nutella right and then i did like

00:05:22.460 this and lisa's like oh you got some on your face and then i pulled out a hand mirror that i had on

00:05:29.640 my lap the whole time and i took the nutella and made a beard out of it and i said and i started

00:05:36.900 admiring myself in the middle with the nutella beard and i did the other half of the interview

00:05:41.940 wearing a beard of nutella and what was fascinating about that and this actually is a good segue to

00:05:48.340 something serious is the amount of people in the audience who are like um i can't believe he's 0.98

00:05:57.300 doing this to her what an ass because human beings cannot distinguish between what is on their screen 0.99

00:06:05.620 and what is looking out of their window and it never entered their head hey what you're seeing 0.99

00:06:11.300 directly in front of you isn't what it looks like because obviously well not obviously but

00:06:16.180 i did clear beforehand with lisa she was in on the gag she was actually a bit offended because

00:06:22.420 she's like just because i'm heavy doesn't mean i'm an animal like if i'm around twizzlers i'm

00:06:27.780 able to have a conversation without tackling you across the table but no it's you're laughing but

00:06:33.540 it's a very important point because human beings are very bad at modeling other people's mental

00:06:41.300 state so from their perspective and what scott said what percent of people don't have any humor

00:06:46.020 at all 30. 30. now people don't even understand that quote because there's a very big difference

00:06:51.620 between like the big bang theory is a show i personally don't like but if if we're playing

00:06:56.660 the sats and i had to circle the words that are the jokes even without a laugh track i could

00:07:01.860 perceive them i might not find them funny but okay this is meant to be the punchline this

00:07:06.260 been the punchline most people don't have that right at 30 per scott which is a huge

00:07:11.780 one in three think about how many people you talk to very least it's not that they don't have the

00:07:16.580 same sense of humor as you which most people don't different people different sense of humor 0.99

00:07:21.380 they can't perceive humor at all so if you're looking at this clip at face value what a jerk 0.97

00:07:27.620 to do this to his friend it never even even if it's explained they would still be like oh i'm 0.96

00:07:33.140 sure she was just patronizing or whatever or something like that we did another episode uh

00:07:38.340 and i was also i did the same thing with like celery sticks and carrots because she had lost

00:07:43.220 even more weight but it was even funny about that is i made sure to crinkle the stuff by the

00:07:47.380 microphone to really uh irritate the audience for the listeners yeah but i want to talk about

00:07:53.460 something else that kind of that leads into scott stuff which is if there's one thing you take away

00:07:58.980 from this episode it's uh it's too damn early but if there's two things it's too damn early

00:08:05.860 and human beings are not all wired the same uh we're taught this in school from a very early age

00:08:13.140 and most of us don't really have much introspection right if you ask somebody how do you think this

00:08:19.220 way or where this idea get in your head it kind of gets taken aback because they're like what do

00:08:23.860 you mean it's just kind of there um and if you have that kind of mindset you're going to assume

00:08:29.940 okay someone's older than me or a different man woman or their kid or they have different background

00:08:36.260 sure they're gonna have different biography but mentally they're basically going to be the same

00:08:41.940 as me and that is a huge break zone that is a huge uh uh mistake uh the humor is the very obvious

00:08:51.300 example uh and once you realize wait a minute if 30 of people don't have a sense let's suppose it's

00:08:57.380 20 let's suppose scott's freaking and you know exaggerating for whatever purpose one in five

00:09:03.060 people don't perceive humor now think about what that means for every other thing your politics

00:09:09.460 how do you approach disagreements how do you approach workflow uh you know it's a very common

00:09:15.220 trope oh you know you're young i did this you're starting out i'm gonna do business with my friends

00:09:20.740 because i like him he likes me we kind of like the same things we're roughly socially wired the same

00:09:28.100 so one would think okay if we are good as friends therefore we're probably going to be

00:09:33.700 good as business partners and you know the four of us i think are old enough at this point to know

00:09:38.900 how ridiculous that is and that often more often than not ends in in tragedy but that's another

00:09:45.140 you know obvious example of thinking okay if someone has commonalities with me in one aspect

00:09:50.720 socially well since we're wired the same we're probably going to have a same approach to business

00:09:55.140 or think about this way how many friends do you have who are whose house is the same level as

00:10:01.180 neatness as you right if you're a neat person it's an obvious thing that your house should be neat

00:10:06.760 But if you're kind of a cluttered person, that neat person is wasting their time and is OCD, and the neat person thinks the other person's a slob.

00:10:16.800 And one thing, by the way, I have never, this is this, I have just this complete side note, I have never made my bed once, I do not see the utility, and I officially got permission from Jordan Peterson, that's okay.

00:10:29.460 Oh, good.

00:10:30.500 I confront him about that, and I have been given a papal dispensation.

00:10:35.860 That's amazing.

00:10:36.760 I agree with you completely on all this.

00:10:38.720 And the question I would ask is like, what percentage of people do you think do believe

00:10:43.160 that everybody thinks like them?

00:10:45.060 Because I think it's really high.

00:10:47.060 80?

00:10:48.040 Yeah.

00:10:48.520 It's going to be an astronomical number.

00:10:50.060 I'll give you an example.

00:10:51.600 Sorry, I don't want to cut you off on.

00:10:53.000 I can't see you though.

00:10:54.720 No, it's okay.

00:10:55.440 So I would just say like, you know, I've used this the opposite, you know, knowing that

00:11:01.200 people all think differently to my advantage at work all the time.

00:11:04.160 Like I have done consulting most of my career and so I have all sorts of different clients

00:11:08.660 and I have to serve what they need and make sure they're successful.

00:11:11.860 And so I tailor everything to that person or to that company or to that group.

00:11:16.780 And I would be so less effective if I just assumed all the time that everybody thinks

00:11:23.280 the way I do because, you know, I would just fail left and right.

00:11:26.360 And I consider it almost like a superpower just because I don't see anyone else doing

00:11:30.000 it.

00:11:30.240 Like even people I work with, they seem to make these assumptions that everybody thinks

00:11:34.060 the way i do and they're taught that though it's it's something we're taught as kids we're all the

00:11:40.100 same under this and this isn't it it's it it obviously that's a good thing in like being

00:11:44.240 anti-racist roughly speaking if someone comes in they look differently from you for a job interview

00:11:48.360 let's give that person a chance but i'll give you another example this really kind of blew my mind

00:11:53.000 there was a guy uh in new york i'm blanking on his name uh he was a tech founder and he used to have

00:11:58.520 these events and the premise of the event was everyone comes to the event with a problem that

00:12:05.320 they're that's they're dealing with their lives they'll put forth the problem to the group and

00:12:09.100 since we're all strangers people will give them actionable advice and as a russian person it was

00:12:14.780 particularly interesting to see a bunch of americans um because someone's advice was like

00:12:20.100 so their co-worker was having an issue i don't remember the context and it goes around the room

00:12:26.500 and the advice was sit down and talk with them and I'm sitting there and I'm like how is that

00:12:33.140 good advice is it your belief that this person never thought of that is it your belief that 0.88

00:12:38.300 they're like oh shit I could talk to them I've never used this to make noises out of my mouth 0.92

00:12:43.640 but it was also insane to me because that you know when people say just be yourself 0.99

00:12:48.960 well I'm myself now I'm also myself when I'm in the bathroom I'm also myself when I'm in bed

00:12:56.340 or in the bedroom these we all have different selves the way i talk to erica isn't the way i'm

00:13:01.780 going to talk to scott even even though they're you know mentally in the same set i'm still going

00:13:06.740 to have a distinction between i talk to them because scott's a guy so i respect him and eric

00:13:10.580 is a female so i was sitting there kind of like how do you think this is advice to this person

00:13:19.060 i've never thought of but also i was like how do you think this is good advice because americans

00:13:24.020 have this this again we're all if we all think the same then if i have a problem i can sit down

00:13:28.980 and talk to you but in reality especially at work human beings are often petty and vindictive

00:13:35.220 that if this is a certain personality type if you sit down and anyway confront them they might

00:13:40.980 smile and nod and try to get back to you later or they might there's many ways this could play out

00:13:47.300 but it never enters people's heads because from their perspective if you came down and sat and

00:13:52.260 talk to me i would love that you know opportunity to clean clear the air and kind of work forward

00:13:59.220 and put things behind us lots of people don't think like that i remember my very first job

00:14:03.860 and my dad gave me some great advice because my boss said you know i have an open door policy

00:14:10.340 right if you have an issue come and talk to me oh okay well that sounds nice and then he pointed

00:14:15.700 out people tell you especially at work how they want to be seen and they might even believe that

00:14:23.860 that's how they want to be seen but if you keep taking advantage of that and pun intended no no

00:14:29.540 pun not incentive sorry i'm sleepy if you keep taking advantage of that open door policy at a

00:14:34.500 certain point you're the problem because that person that boss will still say in his mind

00:14:39.300 yeah i have an open door policy but michael or eric or whoever is just being insufferable

00:14:44.900 or being you know too thin skinned so people have no problem presenting themselves and telling you

00:14:51.940 this is who i am but you have you cannot take them at face value here's here's another example

00:14:58.340 springboard we talked about earlier how many if one in three people per scott one and two whatever

00:15:04.500 one to five as we lowered it earlier how many people have you ever heard say we've all heard

00:15:09.540 people say i'm bad at math or i'm you know maybe i'm not a good driver or i'm bad with directions

00:15:14.820 have you ever heard someone say i don't have a sense of humor or i have a poor sense of humor

00:15:20.260 never no no and they do it will always be oh the joke if the joke was so funny why didn't i get it

00:15:28.420 it's right now if you look at a math problem it's like i can't do this this is complicated i'm not

00:15:33.300 good at math the joke no it's your fault you made the bad joke right so yeah well you scott scott

00:15:39.860 used to say like that you know they think they have a sense of humor they but really what they're

00:15:45.220 doing is they'll just laugh when the laugh track happens or when other people laugh and they'll

00:15:50.340 think oh i thought it was funny but really they're just following along and they really have no idea

00:15:54.100 but they don't perceive it that way i think they actually believe they have a sense of humor

00:15:59.060 but they don't and here's their there's their proof i'm laughing all the time i watch this show

00:16:05.220 i laugh when they laugh therefore i have a sense that's their logic and this plays into politics

00:16:11.540 in a very important way i think everyone i would bet who's on this uh uh channel right now is

00:16:18.100 someone who's at least somewhat intellectually curious yes i don't think you're going to be a

00:16:21.700 scott adams listener especially now and and have that kind of closed-mindedness you're interested

00:16:26.820 in ideas you're interested in discussions and therefore you will think whoever i talk to and

00:16:33.140 it's really hard to think of something that's not intellectually curious because my god life is

00:16:37.140 wonderful there's so many things you could learn about and it's so exciting and nature shows and

00:16:41.860 astronomy or sports or politics or with the weather i mean we could literally talk for

00:16:46.740 infinity about all different things so you assume that everybody else who you have a positive

00:16:52.660 impression of and people are mostly amiable are going to have that same perspective and then when

00:16:57.460 i say it out loud and ask i ask you do you think everyone is intellectually curious it's like no

00:17:03.380 i mean it's a joke to put it explicitly so what happens is if you're someone who's into an idea

00:17:09.860 and you're at work and you want to talk about the idea you're excited

00:17:14.900 the people i cannot deal with are people who are high on agreeableness there's this metric

00:17:20.420 called agreeableness which means you're conflict averse so if there's something happening that

00:17:26.340 you're not comfortable with like erica's running her mouth to me about whatever the grand canyon

00:17:32.180 or you know some cool black hole i'm going to especially at work i'm not going to try to press

00:17:37.300 an issue i'm going to smile and nod but viscerally now i'm going to feel this divide toward her

00:17:44.580 and that is something that is going to be counterproductive for her going forward so

00:17:49.380 don't assume even though objectively it is awesome whatever she learned about the grand canyon

00:17:54.740 is what an amazing thing again 30 of people that have a sense of humor the amount of people who

00:17:59.780 are intellectually incurious is even bigger than that from my experience that's a good thing to

00:18:05.700 remember because that's a situation where i can like feel my blood pressure rise sometimes where

00:18:11.780 you run into those situations and you're just like why you know and and i know like it's not

00:18:16.660 everybody's thing and but then you come here and you and you like satisfy that itch here you know

00:18:22.500 And you go to podcasts and you talk to people that maybe do live in this type of a space

00:18:27.620 and thank God you can, because if you can't find it in your real life, find it in your

00:18:32.620 real life in here, right?

00:18:35.200 Because there's just like a different level of understanding.

00:18:39.360 Like anybody, I think, and I keep bringing this up with every guest that's come on that

00:18:43.620 was at Scott's Memorial, is I didn't want to leave because I was like, oh my God, everybody

00:18:50.620 gets it.

00:18:51.680 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:18:52.680 And it was like so comforting to know that whoever I was looking at and talking to already

00:18:59.020 got it at a level that just made me feel so happy and comfortable.

00:19:04.440 I really, I was like, I literally have a vision of you, Michael, when you got in the Uber

00:19:08.520 when you were leaving.

00:19:10.020 And I was like actually sad.

00:19:11.760 Like I wanted to run over to your Uber and be like, don't go.

00:19:15.060 Like I felt so clingy to you and to Joel and everybody, Cernovich.

00:19:20.520 um actually can i play a clip from the memorial i i just have a little clip i want to play

00:19:27.800 up next michael malice sorry for the echo guys

00:19:39.240 impossible to breathe in this thing uh i had a whole bit with this where i was going to show up

00:19:45.720 and say, if you just dress like Dilbert, you get past security and then tell people horrible things

00:19:51.000 like, do you want to see my knife? But we're going to put this aside. The other thing Scott tried to

00:19:56.080 do was to make people think and to make people think about how they thought. Again, not everything

00:20:02.920 you said was on the money, but how would that even be possible? No one can say smart things all the

00:20:07.700 time, but when you're dealing with a smart person like Scott, you remember those smart things they 0.95

00:20:12.140 said for the rest of your life you might also remember those dumb things because 0.90

00:20:17.600 surprising when a smart person says something dumb it's not a surprise when 1.00

00:20:21.500 a dumb person says something dumb you just go on thinking yep there they go 1.00

00:20:24.860 being dumb but when a smart person says something dumb you think huh that's odd 1.00

00:20:30.380 that this smart person said a dumb thing and if you really want to get into it you 1.00

00:20:34.080 wonder hey maybe I'm the one maybe he sees something I don't I'm just 0.94

00:20:39.260 misunderstanding what he means. I've seen both situations happen more times than I can count,

00:20:44.900 but Scott never tried to make people sad or depressed. Not once. It wasn't part of his

00:20:50.620 vocabulary. Perfectly wraps that up. Really? I mean, that was so beautiful, Michael. I mean,

00:20:58.480 it was hilarious, oddly. And then, you know, what you said was so poignant and so on the spot of

00:21:06.820 Scott. And, um, you know, you had sent me prior to going your remarks that you would maybe say

00:21:14.700 there and oh my God, you wrote that. So you said, I'm writing this like in the frame that if you

00:21:19.800 were Scott and you wrote just like Scott spoke, which was amazing. And, um, you nailed it. I wish

00:21:28.580 I had it in front of me to just read the part, you know, everybody of course loved where you said

00:21:32.780 that, you know, we're all having a party for Scott and he's just really late.

00:21:37.880 Scott's book, reframe your brain for people. I said, let's reframe this. So the frame is

00:21:42.840 we're having a memorial service for Scott reframe. We're having a party. Scott's really late.

00:21:48.500 And everyone laughed at that because that is a very Scott thing to do, but it's like all

00:21:52.620 immediately the energy in the room changes, you know, now it's fun.

00:21:56.440 Yes. And I wanted to just talk about that whole experience because I thought I knew a lot about

00:22:07.800 Scott, but man, did I learn so much more about Scott, just hearing from everybody's perspective

00:22:13.240 of him and their relationship with him, especially hearing from his family about him. And I try to

00:22:22.020 tell everybody like whatever you, and you guys watched it, he live streamed it. He wanted us to,

00:22:27.120 to know everything like that. And whatever you thought about how amazing he was and he was

00:22:33.020 to be there, you realize like, God, it's so much bigger than I can wrap my head around. Like

00:22:38.480 what a gift he still is and was to this world. He had a worldwide reach and he really just wanted

00:22:48.360 to be useful and be helpful. And his mission was like, he felt like, I just want to solve

00:22:53.480 problems and be useful. And man, like to the, to his last breath, that's literally what he was

00:22:59.380 doing. I wanted to ask you, so I have a couple of pictures. Here is Michael and the, oh, how do I

00:23:10.680 make this bigger? Come on, Boomer. I know, I know. Oh, wait, Michael, close your eyes for a second.

00:23:17.040 okay okay every time don't look every time you take a drink okay guys all right um so there's

00:23:24.740 michael you can open your eyes now there's michael um and above him is the dilbert mask he wore so

00:23:32.700 um he left it in the dilbert museum at scott's house which was great and to see that museum

00:23:39.840 wasn't that amazing i mean just to see all of that stuff in there michael what was your experience

00:23:45.460 when you walked in there. We were together at that point. There was something I didn't like

00:23:51.900 about being in a dead person's house. I felt a bit intruding. So obviously I wasn't, and this

00:23:59.500 is what Scott wanted, but it's like being in someone's home when they're gone, there's something

00:24:05.000 about that that I was like, I didn't want to feel disrespectful, which I wasn't, but there was still

00:24:10.580 that sense of like, again, it's a Russian thing. If the person didn't invite me into their home,

00:24:15.460 it's like i shouldn't be here obviously that doesn't make sense literally here but you know

00:24:19.780 there was that level so i was very kind of cautious you know like don't touch anything

00:24:23.700 kind of situation in that room besides all the dilbert you know memorabilia um and i'm sure it's

00:24:30.740 just a portion of the member memorabilia because there's so much of that stuff uh he had his photo

00:24:35.860 albums so going through uh scott's a bit older than me but like i can remember what the i remember

00:24:43.300 those eras very well so he would have been i guess like in high school when i was a kid so

00:24:48.740 seeing the quality of the film and the lighting it took me back to like the 80s um and being a kid

00:24:55.860 uh it's it's it was just very um i know he would have been very happy that everyone you know made

00:25:04.180 the hike to his place and and were enjoying themselves um everyone i i know many people

00:25:10.100 and this is my well it's not really my feeling anymore but many people i know are like when i'm

00:25:16.100 gone i want you to have a party like i yeah there's no utility and you're gonna be sad you're

00:25:22.100 gonna miss me and of course but you know pulling out your hair and you know wearing black and

00:25:27.860 mourning like how does that help me i'm not there so it's i think that scott was very much

00:25:34.420 that very rational mindset where you'd be like, why would I want people I care about to suffer?

00:25:42.280 And at the very least, if I'm not there to enjoy it.

00:25:45.020 Like you would.

00:25:47.400 Right. Like if I'm going to make people I care about suffer, at least let me be there to see it.

00:25:52.180 Right. Do it now.

00:25:53.240 In no way.

00:25:54.440 Yeah. Well, so one thing that you took away, I have a picture of you and Marcella here.

00:26:00.840 and what was that book that you got that was in Russian?

00:26:05.560 Yeah, that was Winn Bigley.

00:26:08.420 And I forget what the title was, but it's something like, you know,

00:26:13.260 like negotiate like Trump.

00:26:15.280 Since Russian is my first language,

00:26:16.800 it was really cool to have Scott's copy.

00:26:18.240 I also was given permission by you guys to have two of his markers.

00:26:23.200 So I have those upstairs.

00:26:24.460 I'm going to get them framed.

00:26:25.900 Oh, I know.

00:26:26.900 I was glad you got those.

00:26:27.780 so um oh and you guys saw this this is us with the dilbert mask do do do do um so then

00:26:37.320 no wait one more thing let's talk about that mask yes so first of all i the the i have to leave on

00:26:44.140 uh i think it was a friday the mask shows up it's in my mailbox locker the key doesn't work

00:26:50.600 and it's like 8 p.m and i'm like what is and i have to leave the next day and i'm like if i'm

00:26:56.080 at this memorial with this mask there's going to be a massacre and i had to wait for that male lady

00:27:02.160 to come and run out there and be like ah so uh um i got the mask and it was really exciting that

00:27:09.120 regard my plan was to like i talked to you about erica was to show up in the mask have you show me

00:27:14.560 around to people and have them wonder if i'm like someone with a knife and as soon as i walk in

00:27:19.680 everyone's like hey michael and i'm like like really in one second one second i'm like what

00:27:24.480 it so yeah i was looking for you then you walked in he gets his mask on he's got the outfit on to

00:27:30.440 you guys he goes all out michael is known to show up with full regalia of some kind and um i swear

00:27:38.880 it was so funny he puts the mask on we're walking down the hallway there's greg and walter and

00:27:44.380 they're like oh hey michael and i'm like well now what do we do they all knew um okay so i i remember

00:27:53.840 this i will never forget this moment but walking into scott's office shelly took us in um you know

00:28:02.280 it wasn't open for everybody but she was like you know she took a you know mostly like the people

00:28:06.480 who would podcast and whatever um walking in here and seeing this room it was like to me

00:28:16.860 that's the museum oh yeah you know what were your thoughts when you walked in there

00:28:22.640 um i'm gonna this is an exaggerated word because it's not literally the word

00:28:29.520 but it felt like a sacred kind of space um because you know as an author myself like the

00:28:36.280 your office is you're spending a lot of time and that's when you're doing your work right

00:28:41.000 so that's really where the magic happens so first of all people at home don't realize scott had this

00:28:47.840 amazing view out of his office. So you think office, you think this is kind of small and

00:28:52.380 cramped, but if he turned his head, you had this really, which makes sense. If you're

00:28:56.180 Scott, why wouldn't you have that? So that was really cool to see that, to have that

00:29:00.740 perspective that when he's podcasting, he's not just in some cubicle like in Dilbert,

00:29:06.020 he's looking out, he sees great beauty. And I'm sure that's going to be very motivational

00:29:10.140 and explains why he was happy to be up at such an ungodly hour.

00:29:13.660 um but let me just jump in on that point because i i met with scott before he died um very lucky

00:29:22.160 and honored to be able to visit him and he gave me a tour of his house and he brought me out onto

00:29:27.580 that balcony and he showed me the view and he's like you know when i built my house i had no idea

00:29:34.300 that this view was going to be like this oh wow and he said if i had known it was going to look

00:29:39.280 like this i would have built the house completely differently and had all kinds of big windows and

00:29:43.640 all sorts of things oh my god that's so funny because apparently no one ever went up that high

00:29:48.800 when they were making the plans to know that as soon as they got over the tree line there was this

00:29:53.700 you know incredible view of the mountains i mean what a great lesson on perspective huh

00:29:59.420 in a literal sense but it speaks to a lot of things here's like what we're talking about

00:30:05.040 earlier i think we all assume i remember i saw this interview with jane weedlin from the gogos

00:30:10.600 it was an 80s band it was a vh1 behind the music and she very sarcastically was saying oh once you're

00:30:17.880 rock stars you're gonna be happy all the time he's like and like rolling her eyes and of course

00:30:21.800 everyone listening knows how absurd that sounds like you're a kid but to the point of perspective

00:30:26.260 we all tend to think once i'm married once i have this job once i have a book published

00:30:32.020 everything's going to be great it's not like you don't know what's going to make you happy

00:30:37.980 or even if you have it, there's something called the hedonic treadmill, which is once you reach a

00:30:42.540 certain level of happiness, that's your baseline and you kind of get used to it. So we set up all

00:30:48.860 these goals for ourselves and it can often be counterproductive because I want this job so bad

00:30:54.860 or everyone thinks they're going to marry the first person they date, your first girlfriend

00:30:59.520 or your first boyfriend. You think, oh my God, I broke up with them. I'm never going to fight

00:31:02.980 anyone again. When you talk to a kid, it's kind of ridiculous. But we assume that once we achieve 0.99

00:31:10.640 a certain thing that we're set, and that's like trying to be a bride but not being a wife.

00:31:16.940 You're planning for that day, but you're planning for the life, which is very counterproductive.

00:31:21.780 Planning for the wedding, not the marriage for sure. Yeah.

00:31:24.580 Yeah. So I felt like when I walked in there,

00:31:28.640 oh my gosh i was just like forget that museum like this is the museum here and you know i just

00:31:36.180 wanted to like dismantle the whole thing and bring it to my house you know and and i i suggested i

00:31:43.180 said let's take a picture behind the desk because i kind of wanted everyone to know too it's like

00:31:48.240 so massive behind there like you don't have that perspective when he was on camera you'd see him

00:31:53.220 roll his chair back but like he could really he could tap dance back there he had the double

00:31:57.160 whiteboard back there. But it just feels like I just wish we could have it in an actual Dilbert

00:32:06.020 Museum, which is the hope one day to have all of his things. I know people ask to have the things

00:32:13.320 that he had in the museum and things that were also in a closet that you didn't see. I would

00:32:17.820 love to see that desk there, everything recreated and have it live in some public place that people

00:32:25.200 could go see i don't know where but i i just felt it i think everybody walked in i heard some kind

00:32:31.200 of audible sound from them like if it's going to be somewhere it's got to be like scranton right

00:32:36.700 because it's like that's where the office is yeah i think that would be good but the thing that

00:32:42.620 surprised me the most about scott's house and i hope this isn't uh telling a tale out of school

00:32:47.500 i have a huge library and i'm a book collector so i wanted like like one of scott's books something

00:32:54.680 that meant a lot to him. Everyone's like, he doesn't read books. There were very few. I got

00:33:00.600 a couple of his books, meaning books that he had authored. I was looking for some 1920s Dale

00:33:06.440 Carnegie or something like that. I was like, nope. The only books that are there had been

00:33:11.360 recently published. That was a big surprise to me. His bookshelf was like five books.

00:33:16.080 Yeah.

00:33:16.640 Yeah. Yep. Isn't that funny? He never wanted people to send him books. He's like,

00:33:21.000 don't send me books don't yeah just go ahead marcella i love reading so i would always tell

00:33:26.800 him i'm reading this i'm reading that and he's like oh i don't like reading why do you read

00:33:31.680 and then to me it was shocking so when you i i was with you in the office and you mentioned

00:33:37.900 where are his books where's his library i was like no he didn't read and you like didn't believe me

00:33:43.820 So I think you asked Shelly too, and Shelly confirmed it.

00:33:48.640 And you were shocked, just like I was when I became friends with him.

00:33:54.520 But it's also how many things does he reference?

00:33:57.720 It's not like he's just running his mouth about Scott Adams' views.

00:34:00.680 He talks about different thinkers and things like that and historical references.

00:34:05.660 So I don't know where he was getting them from, but it was in the bookshelf.

00:34:10.240 How many books has he written?

00:34:11.360 30?

00:34:11.700 No, more than 30.

00:34:12.700 Gilbert alone is 30.

00:34:13.540 So it's got to be like 50 books, something crazy.

00:34:16.040 And it's like, you don't have, yeah, like what?

00:34:19.300 So it's like persuasion.

00:34:21.660 My God, how many books have been written about how the mind works, how to process information?

00:34:27.220 You know, how many, if you break down persuasion, it's like there's even in and of itself, there's

00:34:31.220 like 20 elements.

00:34:32.280 So I'm like, okay, that's going to be 20 bookshelves.

00:34:35.100 Nope.

00:34:36.000 I know it's amazing.

00:34:37.260 How much time do we have?

00:34:38.220 Oh, good.

00:34:38.880 Plenty.

00:34:39.540 All right.

00:34:39.780 So Michael, I'm pivoting again.

00:34:41.700 You guys have a sip of coffee.

00:34:43.540 do whatever you got to do we got another clip i i definitely want to get to because this so i'm

00:34:48.340 always when i try to explain you to people who haven't heard of you yet which is just insane

00:34:54.980 i i could talk about you for days but i don't even know what i'm saying because i'm like oh my god

00:34:59.860 he's the biggest troll he's hilarious but he's got like this heart and he's kind and he's brilliant

00:35:06.020 and he's like a historian and all you're like the every man i'm telling you you're just like i want 0.93

00:35:12.580 to like i want to just smush you up and like keep you here with me um i do i like i am upset i love

00:35:18.500 you and not in a non-creepy way yes yes i would be such a good kidnapper because i would be amazing

00:35:25.860 for you but oh we found nancy guthrie it's at erica's house peter oh call the boys in she's

00:35:32.820 got grandma who's behind that door i'm picking up those misery vibes oh my god i'm not creepy

00:35:39.940 you have like an italian jersey girl kidnapper i mean what's better than that

00:35:45.880 um no but so anyway what i want people to understand too i mean michael so when i first

00:35:52.700 became aware of you i think it was on fox news 100 years ago and you were so michael spent a lot

00:36:00.260 of time in north korea because he likes to vacation in places where he has to be monitored

00:36:05.180 um and and you wrote about kim john ill yeah right like an unofficial biography i guess

00:36:13.540 autobiography sorry yes um and nothing to do with anything than me to say like he's

00:36:20.140 you're always so interested and inquisitive and you want to know more and you're probably

00:36:27.140 one of the best listeners you're thoughtful um i remember this clip i want to play it um somebody

00:36:34.820 made a clip out of it uh and our clips made it and this is from it says 2022 and i just want to

00:36:44.260 play this clip michael when i play this if you can hit the mute below i have a feeling your account

00:36:52.100 might be making an echo when this plays just it might be yours i was trying mine and the other

00:36:56.660 ones but if you just hit me not right now just while this clip is playing let's just see how

00:37:01.380 Yeah, it's a Rumble Studio thing.

00:37:07.100 Where am I hitting the mute?

00:37:08.120 On the mic or on the speaker?

00:37:09.400 On the picture below.

00:37:11.640 Oh, okay.

00:37:12.220 Sorry.

00:37:12.440 On the Rumble Studio.

00:37:13.440 Okay, let's just see if that's it.

00:37:14.500 But otherwise, it's fine.

00:37:16.080 Okay, guys.

00:37:16.640 So this is such great advice.

00:37:19.360 Okay, listen.

00:37:20.900 I'll give you a great example of this.

00:37:23.440 I sometimes give talks on networking.

00:37:25.520 And I tell the kids, if you know someone's in town and it's their birthday with nothing

00:37:30.920 to do, take them out. And I say, I do this for selfish reasons. And everyone laughs. And I go,

00:37:36.080 think about it this way. The guy who takes people out for their birthday is awesome. That could be

00:37:42.160 you. You have that capacity to be that person and you're making that day feel special. They're

00:37:47.500 going to remember for a long time. What's the cost? Dinner? 30 bucks? 25 bucks? So it's very

00:37:53.960 disturbing to me how often people have opportunities to slightly move the needle and make things a bit

00:38:02.060 better at almost no cost. And they just literally don't think in those terms. And one of the things

00:38:08.020 Camus talked about, he's often described as an existentialist, which he did not like that term,

00:38:13.860 he regarded himself as an absurdist, is the idea that we're basically blank canvases. And this

00:38:18.920 isn't something that is dangerous. This is enormous opportunity. And you have the ability

00:38:23.320 to become the kind of man or woman that you admire and want to be. You don't have to be,

00:38:28.920 I don't know, George Washington or one of these great heroes of all time,

00:38:32.420 but everyone out there has the capacity to be a hero to their kids or to be a hero to maybe

00:38:39.960 some... There's nursing homes and there's old people who are lonely. I think that you take

00:38:44.880 in a dog that's on its last legs. These are little things people do that aren't heroic in the sense

00:38:51.260 a Superman, but that I find admirable, extremely, and I think are very underrated because these

00:38:57.180 people aren't champions. And that's what Scott would call also to be useful. And I love that.

00:39:06.620 So can you talk about that a little bit? Sure. So this is something that is both

00:39:11.920 hypothetical and something that's profoundly affected my life. So I want to speak a bit

00:39:16.860 about Camus because he's affected me profoundly. He's a French author, died at quite a young age,

00:39:22.380 I believe 1960 in a car wreck. He's most famous for his novel, The Stranger. He also wrote a

00:39:29.860 novel called The Plague, which a lot of people were reading during COVID. But it's nonfiction

00:39:34.780 is something I find much more preferable. And Camus is known for believing that life

00:39:40.820 is meaningless. And when you're in high school, you take that to mean being a goth and this

00:39:46.640 dark stuff. But what he meant, as I said in that clip, is that this is a huge opportunity because

00:39:53.460 now you're in a position to create meaning in your life. And it's the ultimate freedom that you can

00:39:59.680 be whatever kind of person you would like. And how this affected me profoundly in my life is there

00:40:06.280 was a movie called American Splendor, which came out, I believe, in 2003. Maybe I'm getting that

00:40:13.820 wrong and harvey picar was the protagonist he had been a file clerk out of cleveland um his comic the

00:40:21.100 the narration would begin from off the streets of cleveland here comes american splendor was this

00:40:25.340 comic series he became kind of notorious for being on letterman and being kind of a bit of a crank and

00:40:31.740 getting into a dave repeat at least these clips now have millions of views on youtube i don't

00:40:35.580 understand how so when they're making the movie ted hope who was the producer send out an email

00:40:42.700 to uh people that said harvey's in town with nothing to do if you want to hang out with him

00:40:48.380 this is your opportunity and i had written a screenplay which now 20 whatever odd years later

00:40:54.380 i'm making it a graphic novel so if you want to look at the graphic novels unwantedbook.com

00:40:59.340 anyway the keyboard player from the um uh band that i was writing the screenplay about did the

00:41:06.140 animation for the film and he showed me that email i'm the only one who took harvey up on that offer

00:41:14.060 as a result he wrote a graphic novel about me i was the first person he wrote about a book about

00:41:18.540 other than himself which is highly collectible now uh which makes me feel nice but point being

00:41:24.060 if you're working a production company and someone has a movie made about them that's having all

00:41:28.300 these great accolades take the meeting but people don't often think in terms of putting themselves

00:41:35.660 out there or create, putting them, dating, you know, you could swipe all you want, but

00:41:41.060 a much better way is, are you, you know, this is what the pickup right is called a target

00:41:45.040 rich environment.

00:41:46.360 Are you in a position where you're meeting people that are networking for jobs?

00:41:49.540 You know, you want to work in biotech.

00:41:51.760 Are you going to meetings where you, or rooms where there's going to be people who are in

00:41:56.060 that sphere that you can talk to, or you're just going to sit on your computer all day.

00:41:59.780 So people, you create your own opportunities.

00:42:04.360 And something else I tell people, and this is very much in both the Camus vein and the

00:42:10.140 Scott vein, I love having a bad meal in the sense that I've been with friends at restaurants

00:42:17.260 and it takes them forever to serve you. 0.98

00:42:19.740 And then the waiter's an ass and they get the food wrong and it's cold. 0.97

00:42:24.200 And at a certain point, if something is so bad, it becomes a great memory and a great 0.98

00:42:29.880 bonding experience because you remember the great meals but that's few and far between you really

00:42:35.880 remember the ones remember that time because it's like how's this place in business it doesn't make

00:42:40.520 economic sense they're not doing anything right and it's so easy you think okay the food's terrible

00:42:46.440 at least the waitress is nice no and how is it full if the food's terrible why am i waiting for

00:42:51.640 a table. So if you have that attitude where a bad experience can make a great story, I mean,

00:43:00.020 talk about a reframe. That's something else that makes your life a lot easier because one of my

00:43:04.540 favorite expressions is this too shall pass. Are you really going to remember in a year from now

00:43:09.660 how hungry you were? Maybe you'll remember how hungry you were, but is it going to matter?

00:43:12.780 No. So you'll never forget that meal you recently had in Austin

00:43:17.100 where you ended up sick for about a few days? The line. Oh my gosh. So this is really funny.

00:43:25.280 I went to the Maha event and then a bunch of- Of all things.

00:43:29.040 Yeah. And a bunch of us afterward went to this place called The Line, which I used to love to

00:43:32.860 eat all the time. And then I got food poisoning. And the thing about the food poisoning is,

00:43:38.980 which is a relief, you know in like 48, 72 hours, you're going to be fine.

00:43:43.520 Like it's going to be a pain for a couple of days, but like, I, I, I'm not concerned

00:43:48.360 about, you know, needing to go to the hospital and I, I have a fever and it's, it's, you

00:43:53.660 know, it's coming, you know, the trots, bathroom, nap, bathroom, nap, delirious.

00:43:59.620 The trots is my new favorite thing now.

00:44:01.820 Just that term.

00:44:02.760 I love it. 0.61

00:44:04.200 And then I look at my phone and, uh, the U S is bombing Iran.

00:44:08.540 I'm like, uh, I'm not, I don't, I don't, I don't want to sleep.

00:44:13.520 You're like, I can't be worried about Iran right now. 0.95

00:44:16.520 I can't even process it right now.

00:44:20.620 What are we doing?

00:44:22.120 Oh my gosh.

00:44:23.120 That's a great reframe.

00:44:24.540 I love that whole concept.

00:44:27.760 And you guys, when we always say, let's be useful, I mean, Michael in that clip listed

00:44:32.640 10 things off the bat you could do to be useful to someone else and be memorable, but it really

00:44:38.960 makes a difference.

00:44:39.760 those things make a really big difference in another person's life or another animal's life

00:44:45.660 or, you know, whatever it is. And also that is reciprocity because you're getting something out

00:44:51.100 of it too. So when there's like mutual goodness, there's nothing better than that, in my opinion.

00:44:57.160 Yeah. Thank you for that. So the last clip I wanted to play was, I think it was recently

00:45:04.340 from Trigonometry. I know you were on there twice. Yeah. This was the more recent one.

00:45:07.720 Oh, in the suit again. Okay. Same suit.

00:45:10.300 Oh, same suit. Okay. Same suit. By the way, how many times have you been on Rogan? 10?

00:45:15.680 Yeah.

00:45:16.380 Okay. 10 times, sometimes with an outfit. That last makeup thing, when I saw you in San Francisco,

00:45:24.320 you were going to try to do something first for Rogan. It was like that weird non-face face.

00:45:31.980 No. So what I wanted to do, and I'll spoil it. I'm still going to do it at some point.

00:45:36.080 i wanted to do an uncanny valley look and for people who don't know the uncanny valley is

00:45:41.340 when things start looking close to human there's this little space where it's unnerving right so

00:45:47.780 so i wanted to look plastic like a mannequin with blank eyes and like like uh poreless skin

00:45:54.900 so it's just human enough that it's recognizable as human but unhuman enough that it's disturbing

00:45:59.620 yeah and i talked to a makeup artist and they wanted like three grand or something like that

00:46:04.280 And I'm like, okay, so I did the Lichtenstein look instead.

00:46:09.120 With the little dots.

00:46:10.380 Yeah, the comic dots, which kind of speaks to, because I was there to talk about the graphic novel as well, so it would be on par with that.

00:46:17.760 I mean, Michael will show up with clown makeup on and a whole crazy outfit.

00:46:22.480 It's awesome.

00:46:23.380 Go ahead.

00:46:24.580 Was that suit, the Kim Jong-il suit, was that made, you were talking about it, was it made in North Korea? 0.85

00:46:32.740 Young lady.

00:46:34.280 Let me explain something to you about the story about that suit.

00:46:37.220 Can we put up the suit just to clip the visual of the suit?

00:46:40.040 The visual.

00:46:42.020 President Trump in his second administration.

00:46:44.540 Don't play it.

00:46:45.640 I told you this show.

00:46:46.720 I couldn't freeze frame it.

00:46:48.360 All right, sorry.

00:46:48.780 You can't pause it?

00:46:50.360 Let's see.

00:46:51.600 Let me try.

00:46:52.080 President Trump.

00:46:53.320 There we go.

00:46:54.560 There we go.

00:46:55.680 So the thing with that suit is I was in North Korea

00:46:58.860 and at the Yangato Hotel, which is called the Alcatraz of Fun,

00:47:03.220 it's on an island in a river in the middle of Pyongyang that you're not you're not allowed to

00:47:07.360 leave which sounds more ominous than it is anyway when Shane Smith of Vice Magazine they're the ones

00:47:12.860 who kind of made North Korea thing he went there and he had a custom-made suit so I'm like okay

00:47:17.640 I'm not leaving this country that custom-made uh suit so when we were at the DMZ we were there at

00:47:25.760 the north part of the DMZ obviously right which is the military zone which separates the two Koreas

00:47:31.140 And one of the guys on my tour was Belgian.

00:47:34.020 And he had one of those accordion cameras.

00:47:36.180 You know what I mean?

00:47:37.620 And he goes, okay, we all stood there.

00:47:40.140 And he goes, okay, and everyone hold that shot for 10 minutes.

00:47:42.520 And he was joking, but, you know, because there's all the cameras.

00:47:46.360 And someone said to him, oh, you know, the point of having this accordion camera in 2012,

00:47:53.000 oh, you're such a hipster.

00:47:54.120 And my guide says, what's a hipster?

00:47:58.000 And I was standing there.

00:47:58.800 I'm like, how do you explain hipster?

00:48:00.180 to a north korean right so if people don't know obviously why would they know

00:48:04.980 the people who are stylish in north korea are stylish in like the 80s so their clothing would

00:48:11.860 it would be like dynasty or dallas it's the shoulder pads and miami vice yeah yeah that's 1.00

00:48:17.060 the kind of style for the women because they don't have contemporary looks and if they did 1.00

00:48:20.740 they'd probably get legal trouble because that's dressing like a westerner right so i'm thinking 0.99

00:48:26.020 how to explain this to my guide i remember my friend had told me and i said there oh a hipster

00:48:30.020 is someone who likes things that are old just because they're old she's like oh okay got it

00:48:33.860 so i keep bugging her the guide when are we going to the tailors when are we going to the tailors

00:48:38.980 when i'm going to the tailors we go to the tailors there's it's under the escalator in the lobby

00:48:45.060 and they took my measurements and she's showing me all the different types of suits and they're

00:48:51.700 they're all Western style. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I want a suit like the

00:48:56.380 great leader Kim Il-sung, who was the founder of North Korea, like he wore in the 40s.

00:49:01.840 You want the dictator special.

00:49:03.820 Yes. And my guide's like, oh, hipster. I was like, oh, she got it. So the thing that

00:49:09.640 was interesting is they live in the hotel. It's a sweatshop. But at the same time,

00:49:17.260 their beds are there. At the same time, they're going to be very wealthy. So it's this bizarre

00:49:23.940 situation where the person's in a sweatshop, but they're making good money, which just speaks to

00:49:32.100 the craziness of that country. Anyway, I put the suit on to try it on the last day. And my guide's

00:49:40.580 like, oh, you look good. That quote verbatim, because the great leader, obviously I'm dressed

00:49:46.020 the great leader on the height of fashion in North Korea. So that's where that suit is from.

00:49:50.900 Yeah. You look like him, but you're not going to hurt anybody. That's the best of both worlds.

00:49:55.700 It's like, wow. Well, that's amazing. So you guys, that suit that he's talking about,

00:50:03.700 you're going to see now again, Michael does show up. He is dressed for success in this clip,

00:50:09.700 but I like what you're talking about here. And we only have not a lot of time. So I just want

00:50:14.820 want to kind of run through it and michael if you can hit your mute again that was the issue okay

00:50:18.720 thanks president trump in his second administration the only thing he chose for was loyalty right and

00:50:26.280 he's if i don't think there's anyone left maybe stephen miller like i actually googled it i said

00:50:30.480 who from the first administration is around the second administration there are three people

00:50:34.780 every other bridge has been burned uh the guy from alabama i forget jeff sessions you had bannon

00:50:40.120 is gone. You had Bill or Bob Barrios get their names confused. Omarosa. They all turned on each

00:50:47.600 other, right? So he is very hypersensitive to people speaking out against him. And if J.D.

00:50:54.840 Vance starts trying to do this thing, oh, I supported Trump, but I'm a different person.

00:50:59.000 I don't think Trump with his ego is just going to be like, say what you throw me under the bus

00:51:03.120 in order to get ahead. He's not going to keep his mouth shut. Can anyone imagine that scenario?

00:51:07.800 So your point is, this isn't going to work.

00:51:09.960 I don't, I don't know how, I think J.D. Vance is extremely smart in all the ways that don't

00:51:16.520 matter in politics.

00:51:17.920 So Trump, I think J.D. thinks Trump is in many ways a buffoon and in many ways he is 0.99

00:51:23.840 from the perspective of Yale or Harvard, although he obviously went to an Ivy League himself. 0.92

00:51:27.780 But when it comes to politics itself, Trump is extremely savvy.

00:51:32.200 The fact that he took out, I think it was 14 Republican candidates, 2016, that he took

00:51:38.240 out Hillary Clinton, who's had the biggest juggernaut behind her in terms of culture

00:51:42.460 of any candidate, certainly in my lifetime, maybe since FDR, that is no mean feat.

00:51:47.700 The fact that you are, your approval ratings were in the toilet after January 6th, your

00:51:53.100 regard as a complete pariah during the midterms, most of the candidates or all of them that

00:51:57.460 you endorsed who were in kind of swing races they all lost to recapture the nomination and to 0.54

00:52:04.160 recapture the presidency this is something that's historically unprecedented and is a testament to

00:52:09.380 in many ways to his political acumen he was the one who's like let me go on the podcast circuit

00:52:14.720 and put myself in front of that firing line for three hours at a time on rogan that was and this

00:52:19.620 guy's again no spring chicken so i think jd thinks like elon did i'm gonna work with this guy i'm

00:52:26.740 going to use him to further my agenda but Trump is really really crafty with stuff like that and

00:52:33.280 I think he's gonna be very sensitive to any of these machinations and he's doing it very publicly

00:52:37.040 he's playing advance against Rubio there's all these articles about like oh Trump doesn't know

00:52:42.020 which one to choose and a lot of that's leaks interesting do you want to add on to that at all

00:52:53.820 Do you see anything different since you were on there?

00:52:56.500 And it's interesting about the loyalists, because I was trying to think about it too.

00:53:02.640 Who, Stephen Miller, yeah.

00:53:04.720 Like, I can't think of who else is still there with him.

00:53:09.380 And a lot of them have turned.

00:53:10.420 He's in a new round of firings now with the Secretary of the Navy as the latest one.

00:53:14.480 I think Grinnell, Grinnell is around.

00:53:16.880 Grinnell was in the first term, but Grinnell is not a big position in the administration.

00:53:21.380 Didn't he bring someone back recently from the first term?

00:53:24.460 I don't know if he lasted, but one of the PR people or something.

00:53:28.100 But it's certainly a small percentage.

00:53:29.860 Yeah, not a big player anyway.

00:53:34.660 So I wanted to hear that because I like and I need sometimes to remember how crafty he is, how smart he is.

00:53:45.020 You know, in turbulent times, I do need to remember that.

00:53:49.180 Um, so on a positive note, let's do something positive for the end. So we know he's thoughtful,

00:53:57.040 he's crafty, he's very consistent in his views and his policies for as long as I've ever known

00:54:02.580 him. And I've been paying attention to him since like the mid nineties. Um, so what do you think

00:54:08.680 moving forward where we are in just two minutes, Michael, honestly, just wrap up the world for us

00:54:13.740 if you can know you have more time than that, but yeah, you know, what do you think moving forward

00:54:17.480 that we could feel good about where we are and maybe a little bit about what to expect moving

00:54:22.260 forward? I don't know what to expect. I do know that JD's up against it. He's really trying to

00:54:32.960 walk a couple of tightrope simultaneously. It's going to be very hard for him. I'm thinking about

00:54:37.560 in 1990 when Thatcher, who's right behind me, was driven out of office by her own party and her

00:54:45.980 replacement the british system is a little different than ours but basically the equivalent

00:54:50.140 of the speaker of the house is who becomes the prime minister so if like pelosi was you know

00:54:54.300 kicked off it would be like probably stanny hoyer who was the majority leader at the time but point

00:54:58.620 being um it's when thatcher was driven from number 10 uh the prime minister's office her replacement

00:55:04.940 was john major like she's still in parliament so he's trying to be prime minister and she's

00:55:11.020 there on the floor you know being her huge personality it really was a problem for him so

00:55:18.700 unless trump is all in on jd which i can easily see him doing um it's going to be tough but even

00:55:25.980 no matter what the situation is i don't see how candidate if jd got the nomination which i don't

00:55:31.740 think is necessarily a given how is he not going to be overshadowed by trump if they're not on the

00:55:39.580 same level trump is whenever you think about him his the size his personality is perhaps literally

00:55:47.420 insane so and i i i was on uh um fox last may sorry last march or april so right after the

00:55:57.660 inauguration and the monologue was you know uh since the democrats only stand for terrible things

00:56:03.820 they're never going to win anything again and i'm like guys it's not even the end the first quarter

00:56:09.260 you're having your victory lap the democratic party look this up is the oldest political

00:56:14.060 party still in existence on earth that doesn't happen by accident they will do and they've got

00:56:19.100 two years to do a b testing figure out what works for them what doesn't i said even in a

00:56:25.260 in a utopia scenario where trump is the perfect president there's going to be some situation

00:56:30.540 that's out of his control that's gonna go go go south and that's the one they campaign on

00:56:36.780 When you lose everything, it's all upside. And people are like, oh, my God, the Democratic Party's approval ratings at 20 percent. You're not literally voting for the Democratic Party. You're voting for the candidate, just like many people who despise the Republican Party. We're more than happy to vote for Donald Trump with an R next his name.

00:56:56.960 And a year later, what I said has been borne out.

00:57:00.620 No one thinks the midterms are going to be this MAGA revolution.

00:57:05.160 I'm not saying this in a positive or negative way.

00:57:07.260 I'm like, politics is typical.

00:57:09.460 We also remember, I think most of us in 2020, they ran the table on Trump.

00:57:14.680 And it was kind of awful to watch.

00:57:17.360 It's one of the reasons I'm in Austin now because of how COVID happened.

00:57:20.480 So I don't know what it's going to look like in the future.

00:57:24.160 I'm also very curious about 2028 because the Democrats do not have a good bench.

00:57:29.940 So this is going to be a very interesting presidential race.

00:57:35.220 And certainly everything could change.

00:57:36.680 But didn't Rubio say he wasn't going to run if Vance ran?

00:57:39.440 Yeah, but that was then.

00:57:41.180 If there's one thing, when I look at Marco Rubio, that's someone who speaks the truth.

00:57:45.540 Yeah, well, that was my other question I was going to make to you was like,

00:57:49.940 Rubio had this like about face, right?

00:57:52.380 Like he, he was kind of the deep state guy when Trump took him out and, you know, little

00:57:57.720 Rubio and all that stuff.

00:57:58.960 And now he's like, you know, Trump's biggest fan doing everything and talking mega all

00:58:03.880 the time.

00:58:04.300 But at least personally, I kind of am very skeptical of what is he going to be like in

00:58:08.580 2028 if he's running for president, he might just be back to that deep state.

00:58:11.920 So I think the path for Rubio would be, so JD Vance is going to, I think it's pretty,

00:58:18.580 if he runs you're going to have some probably it's somewhat likely you could have some other

00:58:24.180 republican run not with the intent to win but when you a lot of these people like how is how

00:58:29.380 is george pataki running for president george pataki is not running for president literally

00:58:34.100 he gets uh he gets paid to campaign he gets his name out there you get book deals and you're

00:58:40.020 basically campaigning for a slot in the administration that does happen to win that

00:58:43.620 happens all the time. So it's very plausible that some Republican will run against Vance for the

00:58:49.080 nomination, not thinking they're going to win, but thinking great way to boost my brand. If they do

00:58:54.640 well, which is kind of like a stalking horse kind of thing, then I can see a Rubio being like, oh,

00:59:00.660 you know, or if there's a bunch of them come in, then the gates might be wide open. Rubio is also

00:59:06.340 young. You know, 2028 is going to be tough for the GOP, especially if there's a shellacking

00:59:10.920 in the midterms so he could perfectly be happy to wait four years and and run in 2032 so and also

00:59:18.960 the donors don't like vance they like rubio um and that's a big deal because all that stuff costs a

00:59:24.820 lot of money so i don't think 2028 is as set if i had to bet money right now i would bet that route

00:59:31.320 that fans is the nominee but i'm not i wouldn't bet a lot of money okay that's fair michael thank

00:59:38.080 you so so much there are so many other topics i would love to talk to you about here on the scott

00:59:43.820 adams school but we keep it to an hour and we appreciate you waking up early brutal um maybe

00:59:50.380 you could just get right back in bed i am oh good good good so would you be willing to come back on

00:59:56.120 with us one day ask me when i'm awake okay all right all right i'll i'll text you later um okay

01:00:02.540 so listen, Owen, Marcella, you listen, Owen and Marcella. And I thank you so much. And I know

01:00:09.320 everybody watching this really, really enjoyed learning about you today. I feel like we gave a

01:00:15.080 pretty good array of the different parts of Michael Malice. And I hope you guys are just as

01:00:21.040 non-creepily obsessed as I am. I threw that in. That's the caveat. So Michael, what was your

01:00:28.920 favorite part of this interview today? I think my favorite part is that you pulled

01:00:34.960 two clips like eight years apart and I'm wearing the same clothes.

01:00:40.020 Valid. That's valid. All right. Well, you are welcome. You guys, thank you so much. Let's have

01:00:45.860 a closing sip to Scott and go out there and be useful. Michael, thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

01:00:50.800 Marcel and Owen, thank you so much, everybody. Closing sip to Scott.

01:00:54.900 bye guys thanks Michael

01:00:58.220 goodnight

01:00:58.920 alright that was great

Real Coffee with Scott Adams - April 23, 2026

The Scott Adams School - 04⧸23⧸26 MICHAEL MALICE Joins Erica, Owen & Marcela

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