Real Coffee with Scott Adams - The Scott Adams School - 04⧸29⧸26 WALTER KIRN Joins the Home Team

00:00:00.000 it is i know you're screaming and excited it's beetle mania walter mania good morning everyone

00:00:10.200 good morning we'll give you guys a minute to filter in and we have like highly highly requested

00:00:20.040 to return walter let me just tell you not only did we want you to return before you left last

00:00:25.840 time um but everybody watching has been asking for you and i was just like you know what there

00:00:31.620 is no better time than to have walter on with uh the craziness in this world and it's nice to be

00:00:38.720 wanted first of all and second of all the craziness is up my alley sadly because uh it's

00:00:47.040 you know whatever else it is theater and and theater and drama and narrative are my specialties

00:00:54.080 I never knew that the skills I developed as a fiction writer and as a screenplay, you know, script writer and a playwright would serve me so well in observing political and current events.

00:01:12.140 That's right. All right. Well, listen, we're going to talk about the rash on the other side.

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00:01:57.720 I didn't know that was that one today okay that was that kind of freaked me out

00:02:04.000 it's like oh me so welcome to the Scott Adams school it is April 29th 2026 I'm Erica here

00:02:12.920 with marcella and owen and our returning guest professor the walter kern so walter we i just

00:02:19.860 mentioned i wanted to show a trailer of the rash okay um if you want to set up the trailer and

00:02:25.960 then i'll play it and then we'll talk about it sure the rash is a movie uh script that i wrote

00:02:32.500 as a way of immunizing our uh public against future uh engineered hysterias like the one

00:02:42.520 that I believe occurred during COVID.

00:02:44.860 It's a movie about a fictional pandemic, a skin disorder

00:02:48.820 rather than a respiratory disorder, and all the ways

00:02:52.660 in which various power centers and institutions latch on to it

00:02:57.060 in order to increase their influence.

00:03:01.740 And it's sort of in the tradition of Dr. Strangelove,

00:03:05.300 you know, what it did for nuclear war or what the movie Network

00:03:09.280 did for tv news the rash attempts to do for these uh sweeping events which cause us all to fall into

00:03:19.520 line and put up with intolerable laws regulations and characters like dr anthony fauci um and uh

00:03:29.920 though it's not uh though it's not a covid drama it it is a aversion much like invasion of the

00:03:37.760 body snatchers was kind of said to be a version of the red scare in the 1950s in which everyone

00:03:44.080 becomes paranoid so i moved it into the science fiction satire realm so that people would look at

00:03:51.520 it not as a history or a documentary but a vision of of a society gone wrong okay all

00:04:01.200 All right, let's take a look.

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00:04:12.840 The rash is what you make it, Neil.

00:04:18.680 An opportunity.

00:04:22.160 A set of them.

00:04:25.400 Where did it come from?

00:04:27.900 Will it disappear?

00:04:31.200 Is it natural or customized?

00:04:38.880 Those answers are mine to give.

00:04:43.700 I am the science.

00:04:49.280 The future's not a thrill ride.

00:04:52.600 It's calm, controlled.

00:04:55.380 No more racing around

00:04:58.400 Chasing adventure

00:05:00.780 Excitement

00:05:01.600 We're practicing

00:05:05.420 For what comes next

00:05:07.480 The world's changing

00:05:11.820 It changed some time ago

00:05:16.180 You didn't notice

00:05:19.400 Sign the letter, Neil

00:05:25.380 Join the calm.

00:05:28.200 Embrace the future.

00:05:35.980 Ooh, I got goosebumps.

00:05:38.980 It's the Twilight Zone 2026.

00:05:44.060 Now, I want people to understand who just saw that trailer that that's called a teaser trailer.

00:05:49.700 It doesn't mean that the movie has been made.

00:05:51.980 In fact, the whole idea of the movie, the project itself, has been endlessly controversial.

00:06:00.580 And when I showed that trailer at a gathering in Washington, D.C., a couple of months ago, I was subject to immediate attacks from Politico magazine, Yahoo News, The Hollywood Reporter, a British magazine, all in a week.

00:06:17.220 Because there's something about this topic, there's something about wanting to vaccinate America's mind against future panics that someone really doesn't want to happen.

00:06:34.680 And so that trailer, which is made in advance of the movie as a fundraising vehicle.

00:06:40.200 And those of you out there who are multimillionaires and want to invest in the movies, find a way of getting in touch with me.

00:06:49.160 This idea has already bred more resistance than any project I've ever been involved with.

00:06:55.500 And it's only a script at this point.

00:06:58.040 It's a script they're afraid to see come to fruition.

00:07:02.040 But I think it needs to come to fruition.

00:07:04.580 There's a lot of movies.

00:07:05.760 What were the movies people were watching during the pandemic?

00:07:08.500 It was like outbreak and all these other things, but they, they, you know, they also scared you, which made you like a lot of germaphobes.

00:07:17.560 Those were movies, those were movies that were meant to, and they go back into the 90s, that were meant to prepare you for, let's say, a real epidemic, a truly terrifying epidemic.

00:07:34.500 But they only added to the problem, in my view, which was that America lost its mind.

00:07:42.640 It abrogated its constitutional guarantees of civil liberties across the board.

00:07:48.300 It destroyed the economy for small business, all sorts of people who I think had plans for the future, plans for their business, were building, you know, building family endeavors and so on, were just taken out like with a scythe.

00:08:11.740 They were mown down. And for no real medical reason that we can reconstruct. And because of the virus that may or may not have been the product of our own scientific establishment.

00:08:27.960 Right when the economy was chugging along beautifully.

00:08:31.860 In an election year.

00:08:33.360 Oh, shocking. Owen, what were you going to say?

00:08:35.480 Well, I would just add that I think it damaged a generation of kids. There are all sorts of kids that grew up during that time or were in school at that time that got years behind in their education. And I don't know if they really can't even catch up, or at least they're struggling a lot to do that.

00:08:52.280 There were, you know, kids that were emotionally affected by it just because they were kind of isolated for so long.

00:08:58.760 And I think, you know, the younger kids maybe even worse where they were.

00:09:01.680 That's some of the years where you're developing those emotional skills and social skills and they just missed out on that. 0.84

00:09:07.240 Oh, and not to mention those were years of indoctrination and trans becoming the new trend and returning to psycho teachers.

00:09:16.500 We were all put on the ivy drip of Zoom and Apple News and so on at the expense of our social relationships, which we were told were dangerous. 0.94

00:09:31.460 We were actually told that not to be hooked to your digital, you know, thumb and not to be sucking it constantly was to expose yourself to the danger that is real life, which was literally turned into a source of contagion.

00:09:51.620 your relatives, your neighbors, your own family. I remember, I mean, it's, we're forgetting the

00:10:00.560 craziness already. You know, it took a long time after the Vietnam War ended for Vietnam War movies

00:10:05.500 to start. But it's really time we start grappling with what went on. Because strangely, the Vietnam

00:10:12.300 war, though terrible, affected soldiers most acutely. But COVID affected every single one of

00:10:22.120 us. And as Owen pointed out, it affected seven-year-olds trying to learn to read.

00:10:27.300 If I have a solemn duty as a writer, it's to reflect back my society's sins in a way that

00:10:34.000 would allow them to overcome them and not repeat their mistakes. Kids have a window,

00:10:41.500 a sort of a biological, neurological window in which their language skills are at their greatest

00:10:50.180 and at their highest capacity. A lot of kids missed that window and aren't able to read as a

00:10:58.380 result. That's awful. Yeah. Yeah, it is. And we always say like, never forget, but that was also

00:11:06.500 another really good way, if you believe, if you guys listening happen to believe in a systematic

00:11:13.440 way to try to divide a nation's people against each other, that was another really big way to

00:11:19.900 witness that. I mean, friends like that, you know, shunned friends for not getting vaccinated. And,

00:11:24.860 and, you know, and I, and I, they started it long before the vaccine came along. They started it

00:11:31.800 with their social distancing, which they later admitted, Deborah Birx later admitted she made up

00:11:37.660 the whole six-foot distance rule. They started it with their masking, and they basically caused us

00:11:46.180 to fear each other at a primal level. I mean, I live in a little town in Montana, and you would

00:11:53.740 see people swerve when another human being came down the street. You know, early on in The Rash,

00:12:00.140 There's a little scene in which the Stanford professor who's trying to get the word out that the thing is is a hysteria, that the rash might be caused by fear of the rash, by scratching, not by an actual biological agent.

00:12:16.180 And he's riding his bike down a path on the campus and another bike is coming along. And in the movie, they're wearing gloves instead of masks. And the other biker sees he doesn't have gloves on and swerves and crashes.

00:12:32.580 I mean, that is hardly an exaggeration compared to what happened.

00:12:36.880 Those kids playing, you know, clarinets inside of plastic tents.

00:12:41.640 And what it really showed us is that step by step, drip by drip, we can be led into true insanity.

00:12:50.840 Stuff that it's almost embarrassing to look back on because none of us, whoever we are, really fought back adequately.

00:13:00.200 that's true and you're right it did start with fear uh with like you said visual cues like the

00:13:08.060 masks and the distancing and the plastic curtains and the acrylic you know things and whatever the

00:13:14.700 six feet and the things on the floor the stickers stand in your little spot and then it became you

00:13:20.120 know did you hear erica didn't get vaccinated and then it's like don't invite her to the baby shower

00:13:25.640 and she can't come over to hang out.

00:13:27.560 And it's like, well, you know.

00:13:29.620 We had New York Times articles giving families guidelines

00:13:34.240 on how to shun each other, you know, at Thanksgiving.

00:13:38.660 That's become, of course, an annual event in America.

00:13:42.000 The news media tells us how we should comport ourselves

00:13:45.100 at Thanksgiving with wrong think relatives.

00:13:48.940 But it went turbo with COVID.

00:13:53.040 And I have this feeling that some hollowness that came during those years has never really left us.

00:14:02.580 You still walk past stores or go to restaurants, and you get the feeling that everything has been turned down.

00:14:12.100 The intensity of life, the vigor of life, the liveliness of life has never really come back in the way one would hope it will.

00:14:24.340 Yeah. I mean, I think there's a lot of people that are still working remotely and just, you know, they're still talking about bringing people back to the office. But you've got all these empty buildings and all these big cities where nobody's going to the office anymore. Yeah. I still see people when I go to the airport wearing masks. And, you know, it's a lot of things are just different now.

00:14:44.260 and look at taylor lorenz is that her name the young journalist chick who oh by the way walter

00:14:52.020 i want to talk about taylor lorenz who was just thrilled not to to take a left turn but we're

00:15:00.140 going to get there anyway who is thrilled about uh luigi mangioni shooting brian thompson is that 0.91

00:15:06.980 his name um so she's she's a psycho still wearing a mask and i'm not afraid to call her a psycho 0.98

00:15:12.180 because she is. She's real nice in real life, but I know her. She's a psycho. 1.00

00:15:19.380 Listen, across the board in the media right now, we have licensed psychos. Their job is to, 1.00

00:15:27.820 as they say, widen the Overton window. Their job is to push slowly at our minds until we're willing

00:15:34.700 to tolerate the intolerable. And the Luigi operation, and that's what I'm going to call it,

00:15:42.160 because it's not just an assassination. It is an ongoing attempt to launch a Robin Hood,

00:15:53.840 sort of a cross between Robin Hood, Beatlemania, Charles Manson,

00:15:59.600 Che Guevara as a revolutionary inspiration to the young of America and, you know, an assassin

00:16:09.440 with abs. And truthfully, I've been a little wild on this subject since the beginning,

00:16:16.380 because I'm not convinced we aren't being had about the whole thing. You know, we talk about

00:16:22.400 Luigi killing someone, but we never saw that. We saw a man on a surveillance video in a hood

00:16:30.400 and we saw someone else shot in the distance. And then later we saw video from a youth hostel

00:16:39.620 in which someone in a similar hood took his hood down and showed his distinctive eyebrows.

00:16:46.060 And when I see something take the form of the first episode of HBO series in which characters are revealed, in which the main, the star is shown in increasingly sexy and appealing ways, getting you, you know, drawn into their sort of erotic trance.

00:17:12.320 I sit back and go, am I watching TV? People think that that means that I'm one of these

00:17:19.820 guys who thinks everything's a hoax or a fraud or so on. And it's not quite that.

00:17:25.920 You can take real elements. You can take things that happen. And by framing them,

00:17:32.480 and this was Scott's, of course, genius to teach America that this was possible.

00:17:37.240 And by framing them correctly and by putting them in a certain order and by adding commentary and then by bringing in secondary characters who comment on it and lead our thinking, we can turn it into a miniseries.

00:17:52.920 And that's exactly what's happened.

00:17:54.360 This morning, I saw a video from Maine from a congressional candidate, I believe, at an audience of, you know, likely voters or supporters talking about what are we going to do with health care when we don't have enough Luigi Mangione's out there to solve the problem for us?

00:18:16.040 We have, right up until this week, mainstreamed assassination using this incredibly appealing man, you know, whose sexual and sort of personal charms have been pushed on us constantly, even on late night TV.

00:18:37.680 And, you know, I support Luigi such that when a gunman comes running into the White House Correspondents' Dinner the other night, there is a contingent of Americans that cheer for him.

00:18:51.900 Of course.

00:18:52.260 and that was the purpose of the whole thing you will never change my mind on this it it has been

00:18:59.100 deliberate and whether or not the underlying event the original assassination is as we

00:19:06.500 believe it to be it is inarguable that the contextualizing of the event has been a

00:19:15.440 superhero movie for sickos and let's not forget please ever what happened to charlie kirk and we

00:19:23.400 watched them cheer okay so we've been led down the garden path yeah this is a kind of this is a kind

00:19:30.700 of digital 1960s you know and and i'm old enough unfortunately or fortunately to remember the very

00:19:37.580 end of the 1960s i was born in 1962 and 69 or 68 when when the assassinations peaked when we lost

00:19:45.040 Martin Luther King when we lost Bobby Kennedy when we you know and there were others we forget

00:19:50.200 about you know Malcolm X a little earlier in the in the decade and of course JFK and then we had

00:19:56.280 two assassination attempts on Gerald Ford in the mid-70s well I remember how that felt as a child

00:20:03.320 and it looked to me that my society was fragile unraveling volatile and almost

00:20:11.880 irrecoverably divided and now with the powers of social media to you know create narratives

00:20:19.460 overnight create sub stories um create what they call stickiness such that you find some

00:20:26.360 element of the story endlessly engaging you know uh they have run a replay of that

00:20:33.960 Mm hmm. Yeah. And, you know, it's just they haven't. And this time, you know, the incident at Butler, which, you know, I could do a whole other show on like what I thought about that. But people pretended for a little while to care. The people that have dialed everything up pretended to care. This incident. Actually, I'm going to play this clip for you, for all of you.

00:20:59.000 and then i want to react to it because after this one they didn't even pretend to try to turn down

00:21:05.940 the heat and the rhetoric they they are just doubling down so i i already did my cursing

00:21:12.240 in the green room you guys with owen i said every expletive i needed to about chuck todd

00:21:17.820 uh but this clip just sends me okay let's let's listen i'm not going to any more events where

00:21:23.960 Trump's Adam I don't feel safe wherever Donald Trump chaos follows him chaos follows him and you

00:21:29.320 are less safe right if you decide to go into his orbit you have put you have become less safe if

00:21:34.520 you he's just he does not care about your safety he's not going to protect you if you go into his

00:21:40.080 orbit because he's always going to protect himself first he's more likely to throw you under the oh

00:21:44.100 my god he's more likely to say if you're John Bolton or Mike Pompeo and he's going to pull

00:21:50.580 any sort of federal support right you know i think about when somebody using donald trump's

00:21:56.420 words and actions targeted me and a bunch of other god's name is he talking about you know

00:22:01.080 who i didn't hear from donald trump right so the guy doesn't care when people commit violence in

00:22:07.320 his name he only cares when the violence is committed against him and he does not oh my god

00:22:13.200 he's he's equating being attacked to the atmosphere his journalism with being assassinated 1.00

00:22:18.500 What a fool. First of all, do you think that that's not scripted? Look at those two guys. 1.00

00:22:27.260 They're agreeing so hard their heads are going to merge. I mean, they're going to break through

00:22:32.260 the screen and make love with their noses. They're agreeing so hard. Listen to what this man just

00:22:38.960 said. He just said, a la COVID, that getting near Donald Trump is a form of contagion because you

00:22:48.960 might yourself be collateral damage in an Iranian assassination attempt. Well, first of all, who said

00:22:55.780 anything about Iranians? What? Where did you get that? Second of all, you are saying that a journalist

00:23:02.400 yourself, who is supposed to be an intrepid person, not like the rest of us. I mean, yeah,

00:23:08.940 maybe you don't want to put your seven-year-olds in harm's way, but Chuck, isn't your job to go 0.98

00:23:14.600 where others are afraid to go, but you won't even go to a damn party now? My friend, Michael Kelly, 0.98

00:23:21.260 who was a former editor of The Atlantic, died in the early days of the Iraq war. He decided that

00:23:27.820 since this was a war that he personally supported and wanted to report on, he should be there with

00:23:33.620 the troops at the beginning, and he was killed. Chuck Todd won't go to a frickin' Hilton hotel. 0.64

00:23:40.620 These people are fools, and why we're still listening to them, you know, I mean, we're not 0.99

00:23:46.060 listening to him as often or as loudly because he's come down vastly in the world, but why after 0.99

00:23:52.600 COVID, we are using this same cohort to inform ourselves about our reality is baffling to me. 0.95

00:24:00.000 And never acknowledging that they're the ones that spewed all the bullshit that put us in these 0.99

00:24:06.680 positions. I mean, there's never any self-awareness ever. It's insanity. 0.98

00:24:11.520 But let me put an asterisk there. It has become the conventional wisdom after these assassination

00:24:18.220 attempts, that these figures were radicalized by the media and are lone wolves who just sort of

00:24:25.540 got hypnotized or entranced by the Chuck Todd's of the world and then went off the rails and did

00:24:34.180 some crazy thing. Only in America do we believe that political violence is the work of psychotics.

00:24:41.760 If you hear about assassination attempts on an Italian leader or someone else abroad, you assume that there is a political motive and perhaps a plot involved.

00:24:57.680 But here in America, we have used the Lee Harvey Oswald template to make every single one of these events look like a one-off, crazy-ass, you know, somebody snapped story.

00:25:10.360 I think that that's misleading. I actually think that using Occam's razor, we should default to a suspicion that it is the political enemies of someone acting in concert and maybe in a way that involves prior planning and then media response in a coordinated fashion afterward.

00:25:40.360 that that's what's happening i i i i'm i'm getting really tired of these little crazy manifestos

00:25:48.360 coming out after these crimes and us deciding that the person just snapped and you know they

00:25:53.160 were a lunatic and so on that causes us to stop asking questions and especially when our especially

00:26:00.040 when our our prejudices are confirmed oh this guy watched too much msnbc well maybe it wasn't 0.84

00:26:07.880 watching too much MSNBC that caused this. Maybe Trump has real enemies. Maybe the powerful who

00:26:14.040 had tried to take him out through Russiagate and other, you know, legal maneuvers and endless trials

00:26:22.680 and perhaps tricky election schemes and COVID even possibly. Maybe they are also

00:26:32.360 working behind the scenes here we at least have to consider it and this this nutty thought that

00:26:40.680 it's always the lunatic i think prevents us from thinking deeply about our real predicament yeah

00:26:47.160 i don't think this guy's a lunatic i mean he had plenty of time to think out what he was doing how

00:26:54.040 he was going to get himself there i'll take the train obviously not a plane i've got knives i've

00:26:58.360 I've got guns, you know, get there early, scope out the joint.

00:27:01.920 Like this wasn't like a person like, you know, he did run in like a lunatic, but it wasn't

00:27:07.180 like, you know, he just snapped.

00:27:08.980 He took time.

00:27:10.540 If he wrote this manifesto, everything's an if because we can't trust anything anymore.

00:27:15.300 Listen, we just found out a week ago, and I think that this event has been vastly underappreciated

00:27:21.340 as a watershed moment for America.

00:27:23.700 We just found out that the Southern Poverty Law Center, our premier police organization for cultural opposition to hatred, was secretly sneaking millions of dollars out the back door to the very people that it claims to be opposing.

00:27:44.820 And frankly, that trial is going to be one of the trials I want to watch most in my life because we will see these techniques.

00:27:54.100 Now, having learned that, having learned that an NGO with $800 million in the bank was funneling money to people involved with Charlottesville, you know, one of Scott's favorite topics, are we going to revert to the naive belief that this guy just got on a train?

00:28:16.940 you know, do you know how hard it is to evade the detective and surveillance capabilities of

00:28:26.700 modern America? I mean, right now, and when we get off, we'll get on our phones, and all that

00:28:35.080 data will be collected, all of it will be scrutinized if we are under suspicion for

00:28:40.420 anything or if we're considered politically dangerous. It's the idea that people can do

00:28:48.940 things alone in this society, rent hotel rooms, cross the country, buy weapons, and burst into

00:28:58.020 huge events at which half the cabinet, the vice president and the president, I mean, not since

00:29:04.920 the Lincoln assassination, which attempted to take out the whole top tier of the government,

00:29:10.420 uh, have we had a plan which attempted to do the same that I know of? Um, and so I, I think we're 0.98

00:29:19.320 being really led along by the nose when we think this is, this is likely a one-off. Yeah. So Walter,

00:29:30.300 that's, uh, you brought something up. That's a, a, a big concern and question for me that I've

00:29:36.260 been talking about lately. So why were, why was everybody who makes important decisions in this

00:29:44.760 White House, in this administration, in the room for the White House Correspondents Dinner of all

00:29:50.800 events? They all had to go there. And when we, I don't want to say we, when our government dropped

00:29:58.000 the first bomb in Iran, it was because they knew all of those officials were together in a building 0.62

00:30:03.420 and they said, let's get them all at once. So who decides of all these people? Yeah,

00:30:09.140 we need Tulsi, Kash Patel, Pete Hegseth, Vance, the president, I mean, Besen, RFKJ.

00:30:17.560 Like, why were they all in one room together? And for this, I'm sorry, stupid event? 0.99

00:30:24.300 I have no idea, especially since Trump avoided it the last couple of years. 0.99

00:30:28.400 You know, he didn't go to this dinner. And then suddenly they all show up.

00:30:34.220 Erica and everybody who's listening, I'm completely willing to be the lone lunatic on this topic.

00:30:42.440 I don't think we understand anymore and have very good sources of information on the events that shape our politics.

00:30:51.220 It is as likely that this guy was sponsored by others as it is that he acted alone.

00:31:03.760 Why Trump and his entire cabinet decided to show up for a low security dinner at a Hilton with their proven adversaries in the press is a bit of a mystery.

00:31:17.600 Some of these mysteries will be partly solved. But at this point, I think any attempt to analyze them must run up against the notion that we don't know much and that past events like COVID, you know, like January 6th, you know, like all sorts of watershed moments have turned out to be not as they appeared.

00:31:43.900 And this will turn out to be not as it appeared. That's all I know. All I know is that I know very little. And all I know is that the forces of distortion and deception have never been more active or more skilled.

00:31:59.940 And so to live in a society where you resign yourself to the fact that the theater you're watching obscures theater, you can't obscures realities you can't imagine is tough. But I think we have to get there if we want to be mature.

00:32:15.880 Yeah. Marcella, did you want to chime in? I'm just like rambling on over here.

00:32:20.120 You know, I was thinking something that you just said, Erica, about how Iran gathered all of their, you know, I don't know what you call them, mullahs or generals into one room, and we were able to bomb the hell out of it, and we were able to, you know, kill Khomeini, or however you pronounce his name. 0.78

00:32:42.180 But I was thinking maybe it was a sign, like maybe it was planned that everybody would be there in the White House Correspondence Center as a show to Iran that there's security and we're not afraid and we have all of the weapons. 0.67

00:33:00.880 you know like trump was saying we completely demised you ran and maybe it was sort of a showing

00:33:09.040 to them as well that could be you know um like we can gather together and there would be no issue

00:33:17.280 however you know there's the sky and then everybody's like there was no security here

00:33:23.280 because i'm a novelist i think a little differently than others

00:33:26.800 uh i i i think of uh stories that would hang together if they were in true and and and and

00:33:34.080 i speculate and i i sort of use a multiverse model and and then i compare the different possible

00:33:41.680 dramas with each other and see how well they suit the facts and how well they suit the times

00:33:46.800 and how well they suit the known motivations of the various players in our society

00:33:51.920 I think it's perfectly possible that this plot was partly known, that this threat was partly understood.

00:34:06.740 I don't I find it outlandish to think that these people place themselves in harm's way in this fashion on on hostile territory.

00:34:22.380 Now, of course, we've got half these people on Blue Sky going, oh, it was all it was all a stunt created to foster support for the White House ballroom.

00:34:34.400 I mean, one of the problems in a time when you don't know what's true is that things that are real appear to be fake and things that are fake appear to be real.

00:34:47.940 And I think this is a case of something real appearing to many to be fake.

00:34:55.560 Just last week, before this even happened, there was a huge surge on social media among some kind of august people.

00:35:04.400 of Butler, Pennsylvania denialism. It's very strange how social media seems to prepare us

00:35:15.520 for events. And just a week ago, we were finding out how many people thought that the Butler

00:35:23.340 assassination attempt was fake. And here we get another one. There's also a possibility that this

00:35:29.220 wasn't meant to succeed, that this was a stunt meant to authorize people like Chuck Todd to start

00:35:37.360 scaring everybody such that Trump can't go out and campaign this fall, you know, such that people

00:35:44.460 are afraid to be at his events. What Chuck said had no basis in what actually happened. He said

00:35:53.020 that you as a supporter, as an American citizen, are in harm's way if you are around Trump.

00:36:00.580 And journalists are in harm's way. Now, have we had one assassination attempt that has harmed a

00:36:06.940 journalist recently? Not that I know of. But we did in the Trump-Butler case have a fireman who

00:36:14.940 was killed and others who were wounded. And so this sounds to me like an attempt to launch a

00:36:24.640 meme. There's a blast zone around Trump. You know how you get those little maps of the nuclear bomb

00:36:30.940 drops here and then at this radius, everybody dies within a day. At this radius, they all get

00:36:39.480 cancer. They're trying to create a map around Trump of danger. If you're in his physical

00:36:46.620 proximity, you might get hit by a bullet. If you're on the next ring out, you might get hit

00:36:53.200 by a bomb or a terrorist with an automatic weapon. This is absolutely transparent, what

00:37:03.400 they're doing they're they're trying to make this man covid toxic they're recommending social

00:37:10.860 distancing again that's exactly what they're doing socially distance yourself because you

00:37:16.600 might get shrapnel well and they're they're not even hiding the fact that if they get power again

00:37:21.980 they're going to start the impeachments and they're promising to punish in jail anybody who

00:37:27.040 was working with trump i mean that that's all over the place they're not they're not hiding that

00:37:31.340 They're saying that they want to go after every single person that worked in the Trump administration.

00:37:35.920 Trump's adversaries have made one mistake, and I think it will turn out to be a strategic and ruinous error for them.

00:37:43.500 They've left him nothing to lose.

00:37:45.800 Yeah.

00:37:46.180 Nothing to lose.

00:37:47.680 They've demonized him.

00:37:51.180 And I mean, in a way that's unique in my experience as a modern American,

00:37:57.280 They have at least minimized attempts on his life, if not been gleeful about them.

00:38:05.260 I mean, Jimmy Kimmel goes on network nightly comedy TV and says Melania Trump has the glow of an expectant widow.

00:38:15.380 Ha, ha, ha. You know, they have also, in a way, I think, by not leaving him anything to lose,

00:38:25.440 licensed him to take ultimate action. If it's no kings that they want, if it's Hitler that they 0.53

00:38:34.200 fear, why place a man in a position in which he has absolutely nothing to lose by trying to use

00:38:42.380 his power to the maximum. And, you know, I think it was a big mistake. Leaving Trump a carrot,

00:38:50.160 leaving him some room to kind of please people and do as they wished, would I think have been

00:38:57.380 wiser than cornering him literally at gunpoint while he has the power of the presidency. And,

00:39:04.780 you know, everybody's talking about lame ducks in American politics, in American presidencies

00:39:11.080 being powerless. In fact, lame ducks, if they choose to embrace the fact that they no longer

00:39:15.980 have to win an election, are incredibly powerful. They just have to embrace the freedom. And I think

00:39:22.440 if I were Donald Trump, I would be doing just that. I wouldn't care if my approval ratings

00:39:29.300 dropped to negative seven. I don't need votes anymore. And the conventional wisdom is that

00:39:37.460 the president's party always loses the midterms. So who gives a damn about that either?

00:39:42.220 And for impeachment, it already happened twice. Things that have happened to you twice already,

00:39:47.080 let's say divorces, cause you not to fear the third one. And so I think we're about to see

00:39:55.800 the rampage. And I think it has been stealthily prepared. We're starting to see COVID figures

00:40:01.940 indicted. We're seeing James Comey indicted for a second time in a state, North Carolina,

00:40:07.800 where, you know, he doesn't have his fanboys as he does in D.C. or Virginia. And

00:40:14.500 I'm prepared for a bit of a, how can I put it, Bruce Lee movie, a karate movie,

00:40:22.720 in which you get the guy down, you know, in the corner of the big temple and the whole army is

00:40:30.620 surrounding him and all of a sudden RBC training ground has discovered potential in over 20,000

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00:40:48.160 i love that now why not what do you think you'd have i know

00:41:01.120 you know well and also i always keep bringing up he's only got two years left like calm down

00:41:12.480 people. You know, it's like if he's a lame duck and he only has two years left, what's the problem?

00:41:18.520 Like, what are you so afraid of now? All right. So I have a question.

00:41:21.360 Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose, said Kris Kristofferson and Janis Joplin.

00:41:27.580 Let's go. All right. So I listen, let's let's watch. Every time I say listen, I now picture

00:41:33.800 Michael Malice saying back to me, no, you listen. OK, so I want to play a clip because I don't know

00:41:40.760 who I'm more excited about because part of me feels like nothing's going to happen anyway,

00:41:45.660 but I didn't know if I should go with Comey or with this clip, but let's go with this clip and

00:41:51.600 then talk about it. We're top advisor to Dr. Anthony Fauci now facing criminal charges.

00:41:57.720 This over an alleged cover-up involving research into the origins of COVID.

00:42:02.440 Rich Edson on this story. Intriguing, Rich. What'd you find out there in Washington?

00:42:06.520 Ted. It is, Bill. The Justice Department has charged David Morins, a doctor with conspiracy,

00:42:12.160 claiming he concealed federal records to counter evidence that COVID-19 may have leaked from a lab

00:42:17.720 in China, all to help restore a controversial coronavirus grant. Morins, a former aide to Dr.

00:42:23.820 Anthony Fauci, testified before the House's COVID Select Subcommittee nearly two years ago about

00:42:29.200 emails he'd sent in February 2021, claiming that he'd learned to make emails disappear after he

00:42:36.360 received freedom of information act requests ever delete or attempt to delete a federal record

00:42:43.080 no but let me explain why when i came there in 1998 we were instructed to delete emails um

00:42:51.160 and or to move them into pst files frequently because they jammed the computer the justice

00:42:56.600 department says morin's used his personal gmail account to exchange non-public information

00:43:02.260 The indictment also claims an unnamed co-conspirator gave Morin's wine for his, quote,

00:43:07.240 behind-the-scenes shenanigans, then suggested he could push scientific commentary in a prominent

00:43:12.500 medical journal advocating that COVID-19 had natural origins. That's a competing claim with

00:43:17.740 the lab leak theory. The indictment says the co-conspirator could also provide meals at top

00:43:22.720 restaurants in Paris, New York, and Washington, D.C. In April 2020, the NIH terminated that

00:43:29.100 back coronavirus grant awarded to EcoHealth Alliance, who then contracted the Wuhan Institute

00:43:34.820 of Virology to conduct that research in China. From the start of the pandemic, its president,

00:43:39.620 Peter Daszak, worked to discredit any theory that COVID-19 had leaked from that lab.

00:43:44.760 Okay. All right. Thank you, Rich. More to come. Rich Edson on that story from Washington.

00:43:50.440 Walter, just take it away.

00:43:52.760 You know, this is being construed as some sort of minor charge. He hid some records.

00:43:57.400 He falsified some information. The entire pyramid of COVID tyranny was built on false information. Had America known at the beginning that what they were dealing with was an engineered virus with American fingerprints on it from a Chinese lab, not some dreaded primal pathogen from a cave full of vampire bats?

00:44:27.400 They weren't vampire bats, but the implication sounds better, you know, they were things we should be afraid of in a horror movie way.

00:44:35.580 Had that information been early and accurate and not hidden and not concealed, we would not have worshipped Anthony Fauci.

00:44:47.040 We would not have followed any of these people.

00:44:49.720 We would not have we would have demanded truth from our government rather than let them tell us what to do.

00:44:56.000 We would have had, frankly, a rebellion, because if the virus had been as serious as they told us it was, because remember, there were vastly inflated statistics about its death rate and its seriousness.

00:45:17.900 But had it been that serious, and we found out that this thing came from EcoHealth Alliance, and Dr. Ralph Baric, and the University of North Carolina, and the labs of the U.S. government, all working through China?

00:45:34.340 What? Who knew that we had a partnership with the Chinese bio-warfare labs? 0.71

00:45:41.100 We would be living in a different world right now. 0.99

00:45:45.520 Yeah.

00:45:45.720 And, you know, it all starts with a lie. It all starts with a lie. And the lies are small, but when they compound with interest over time, they become trillion dollar lies. And this was one of them. So throw the book at him, get it as on the record as possible. Push him to sing because he was by far, he was far from alone.

00:46:10.780 You don't just freelance these kind of lives. He obviously had an entire department that was laughing along with him and complicit and who he felt he could just sort of jokingly say, hey, I figured out a way to make things go away.

00:46:27.280 wait a second that's institutional that bureaucratic across the board deception and

00:46:34.260 rot I want to see them I want to see them all in the dock because if your limo company that did

00:46:42.820 weddings like a guy I met down in Austin Texas was ruined overnight by the fact that there

00:46:48.380 weren't that weddings anymore you kind of want to know why this guy is still walking around

00:46:54.340 and you're digging ditches and you know if he's lying okay there's 50 people that know he's lying

00:47:03.080 that are also in on it and maybe because they all know the lies that each one of them are telling

00:47:08.240 because if fauci was you know up and up which he's not my opinion um and he heard it you know

00:47:16.180 i have to say my opinion or marcella will you don't need it you don't need a pardon that goes

00:47:20.080 back to 2014 if you're on the up and up right i mean they all know each other's life covers all

00:47:26.400 possible sins i mean there's some things that you know maybe people don't immediately connect

00:47:31.560 the dots on like if all this is true that it was an engineered virus it is true it was those people

00:47:36.960 murdered millions of people right like that that's biological warfare that's against all

00:47:43.040 sorts of laws everything but they murdered millions of people and then damaged bazillions

00:47:49.760 of people with this vaccine and then if this was all engineered then where my mind goes and went

00:47:56.580 at the time because i suspected it was engineered so i was thinking about this at the time but like

00:48:00.200 we started with what the alpha strain and then this really bad delta strain came out and no one

00:48:05.520 really knew exactly how it mutated into this really you know deadly strain and then not long

00:48:11.780 after it got completely replaced with this omicron that was much less deadly and you know i mean like

00:48:18.580 where did these things come from? If the original one came out of a lab, then maybe every single

00:48:23.080 strain came out of the lab and it was all deliberate when they released them.

00:48:26.880 But the entire litany of events that you just recited came through polluted channels and

00:48:33.060 scientists who lie. So you don't know that all this Delta Omicron rhetoric that you were fed

00:48:39.720 was fed you by the same people who lied in the first place. So the truth is that if you were

00:48:46.020 in a criminal trial where a witness has caught lying early in their testimony, why the hell

00:48:52.740 would you recite the rest of their testimony as somehow legitimate, trustworthy or not? We are

00:49:00.480 completely 100% in the dark about the very fundamental nature of this pandemic.

00:49:09.100 I understand I can't trust any of what they tell us, but I do think that, like, I'm just saying

00:49:15.160 that there's an implication there that if they engineered this thing, even if it was an accidental

00:49:21.020 release when it first came out, I would imagine then they're saying, okay, how do we manage this,

00:49:27.000 right? Like that's, how do we cover this up? But not only that, how do we keep this from

00:49:31.560 by telling the truth is how you're out of control. And so they, I would imagine it was an accident,

00:49:38.160 then they'd tell the truth about it. Like supposedly the Soviets would have done about 0.91

00:49:43.660 Chernobyl had they not been a communist bureaucracy. We're no better than apparently 0.83

00:49:51.040 they were with Chernobyl if, in fact, our first instinct was to lie about an accident.

00:49:56.580 If it wasn't an accident, then something much graver happened.

00:50:00.700 And then to lie about the treatment. I wanted to ask you, Walter, for some advice. So,

00:50:08.360 you know, a lot of us, I get the fear, you know, I, I, I was afraid at first I was like,

00:50:14.400 oh my God, you know, what are we doing? Um, I got to get extra peanut butter. I don't know why.

00:50:19.260 Um, and I need gloves and I hit home, like ordering from Amazon when this thing was starting

00:50:24.280 ahead of the curve. Actually, I was watching what was happening in China and I'm like,

00:50:27.640 I got to start getting things into my house now. What was happening in China by way? What were you

00:50:32.520 watching? I was watching the videos that they were showing us videos of people toppling over

00:50:37.720 in train stations. That's right. You thought this was real? I didn't know. I didn't know in

00:50:44.100 the beginning, but I quickly, listen, I am the most skeptical person. I am a fearful person in

00:50:51.260 the beginning. And then, then this is what I was going to ask you for the advice. So then, you know,

00:50:56.580 you guys, I just want us to remember because there's everything, look at the hoax list we

00:51:02.200 created with Scott, right? All the hoaxes, look at the Southern Poverty Law Center. I mean,

00:51:06.920 They're they're creating hoaxes to prove a point that the people on the right are racist.

00:51:13.120 OK, Erica, we live in a hoaxocracy. Yes.

00:51:16.520 In fact, it's very hard to find any of these events that on real scrutiny stand up.

00:51:25.680 And covid is the biggest of them all.

00:51:28.160 And and I didn't mean to embarrass you, but when I but when I point out that your fear was based on what smuggled

00:51:35.840 surveillance videos from childhood of people falling like timber forest trees onto the floor

00:51:43.920 and that was the basis wow we are really vulnerable we are really vulnerable if a bunch of

00:51:50.880 crap tick tock videos can send us into paroxysms of panic and yeah the reason that that rash movie

00:51:58.960 of mine is I think, uh, gaining such opposition is that they don't want us aware of how easily 1.00

00:52:08.680 fooled we are because it was now in retrospect, a comedy that those stupid videos caused a country 1.00

00:52:16.480 to lock itself indoors. Oh yeah. So I watched those videos at first, like everybody was, 1.00

00:52:23.800 And I was like, Oh, I'll get prepared. I don't know what this is. Um, I, I am really proud to

00:52:30.420 say that I did not get vaccinated. I did not, you know, like I had to do a couple of tests

00:52:35.900 because I was flying somewhere. Otherwise I wouldn't have, um, I quickly fell out of the

00:52:43.480 whole thing because this is what I wanted to say. If you could just help us with advice,

00:52:49.920 because what I was seeing was, okay, so I can't do anything. I can't see my, you know, sick and

00:52:56.200 dying father. You can't sing happy birthday to your kid because singing happy birthday will make

00:53:01.360 everyone sick. The whole thing. However, you can pour across our border and not get a vaccine as

00:53:10.100 you're pouring across the border and just get let off into the middle of the country. No problem. 0.94

00:53:15.640 you can riot you can burn your cities down you can lewd you can beat people up and you can scream

00:53:22.720 in the streets no problem but everybody else six feet apart put your mask on so my thing i was

00:53:29.700 going to ask you walter is like can you talk to us about just like the common sense of it because

00:53:35.220 that's kind of all i see now is like well wait like this is what i have to do but everything

00:53:40.080 else is not a problem. So how serious is this? Can I leave you with a quotable piece of advice

00:53:47.760 on this? There's an old saying, if it's too good to be true, it probably is. Well, the obverse is

00:53:56.060 also correct. If it's too bad to be true, it probably is fake. In other words, if the world

00:54:04.960 is ending on the basis of some surveillance videos from China that got here by some mysterious

00:54:14.080 fashion and were shown on the news shows of proven liars, it's probably not true.

00:54:21.780 Listen, if all of America had had a power outage for two weeks and there would have been no CNN,

00:54:29.160 you know, no internet, and so on, we probably would have been better off than informing

00:54:37.120 ourselves. We've gotten to the point where if it comes through a polluted channel,

00:54:43.080 don't listen. The risk of getting something wrong is low. The risk of being recruited for a massive

00:54:54.980 massive mass formation operation that will ruin your society is high. Whenever you see these

00:55:02.440 people talking in concert, whenever you see that matrix-like array of screens and words like safety 0.99

00:55:10.280 and so on coming out of many mouths at once, you are looking at the Greek monster known as the

00:55:17.100 gorgon with you know many heads many eyes and turn away if it's too bad to be true it probably

00:55:26.720 isn't so now what's your advice to the people that might be hearing this that are not afraid

00:55:35.680 but afraid of the scrutiny from the other people who are falling for it and i'm going to be

00:55:40.440 castigated for my group and i'm going to be shunned and no one's like for me i my answer

00:55:46.860 is like so what who cares right like i don't care don't answer to them is you are not an insect

00:55:52.380 you do not live in a hive you're a primate who stands on two feet and can use tools and has a

00:55:58.700 brain if you were me if if you want to reduce yourself to the level of an ant in an anthill

00:56:05.980 or a bee in a hive go ahead but you have taken all of your evolutionary advantages and thrown them

00:56:12.620 away. You have the ability to walk alone. You have the ability to find new friends. If social life

00:56:20.680 and fitting into the group is your final value, then go to a ranch, jump the fence, and join the

00:56:31.440 cow herd grazing in the pasture. Walk around on all fours. My Lord, a little bit of courage from

00:56:39.000 a lot of people can change everything. Yes. Talk to your neighbors, you guys. That's what we were

00:56:45.540 saying this the other day. If we all, for the people who were like, you know what, I'm not

00:56:51.960 buying into this and I'm not doing this. If more of us had talked to our neighbors and people like

00:56:58.540 about our thought and idea, maybe they would have felt brave also like, oh, you know what? All right.

00:57:04.220 So maybe I was nervous about this, but Erica feels this way and I feel this way and I'm going to talk to someone else and maybe enough of us could, you know, get the little cyclone going.

00:57:13.160 The real effect, and I would even say the intent of lockdowns, was to keep people from comparing notes.

00:57:21.480 Because if you can compare notes and you're willing to, you know, take that dangerous trip to your neighbor's front door, you can learn a lot.

00:57:30.580 yeah well and certainly scott played a big role of that during that time you know calming us all

00:57:35.240 down and keeping us from getting panicked and you know i i certainly took note of all the policies

00:57:40.560 being so inconsistent where it's like you can eat in a restaurant you got to wear a mask until you 0.72

00:57:45.020 get to your table but then then you can take it off and we got to close down all the gyms and you

00:57:50.580 can't go outside and exercise and you can't go to church but you can go to a strip club and like

00:57:56.300 there were these weird rules where it's like somebody's deciding what's essential. All the

00:58:00.960 big businesses get to stay open, but the small businesses have to close.

00:58:04.740 Wait, you could go to a strip club? I didn't know.

00:58:07.240 I'm pretty sure they let them stay open. Yeah.

00:58:10.060 Well, that makes sense.

00:58:11.780 There's a technique. When invading armies come into a conquered territory, they gather up all

00:58:18.780 the people and they give them a bunch of contradictory orders, ones that make no sense,

00:58:24.340 ones that don't harmonize and the people who follow them are the people that they decide

00:58:30.780 are the most conquered and the people who say raise their hand and go wait i i i can't go to

00:58:36.540 strip clubs but i i can't go to church those are the people you get rid of the people who stand up

00:58:44.540 well enough people have to stand up that they can't be getting rid of us all i agree um walter

00:58:50.920 Okay. First, this picture, I'm obsessed. I almost want to hang it on my wall.

00:58:57.020 That was taken by my beautiful wife, Amanda Fortini. And when she put it up on Twitter,

00:59:03.200 or I did, she said, you didn't credit me. So I'm crediting her here.

00:59:06.720 Well, it's an amazing picture. I love how the drapes work with the chair,

00:59:11.280 with the lining of your jacket. Then I like the offset print of the carpet. I like that your

00:59:17.300 white shirt with the tablecloth with the white bedspread all works your ring is either can

00:59:23.660 quickly look like a ring or perhaps like you have a cigarette like an old like james dean vibe

00:59:29.120 your hair is the perfect color with everything i like the fiji bottle i like all of it i've

00:59:35.040 really studied none of it was staged god took that photo through my wife but i will tell you

00:59:40.080 that anybody who sees me on twitter i want you to imagine me on the other end of the twitter

00:59:46.560 uh transmission do it in this pose because usually i'm just you know uh looking you're

00:59:54.460 forever i think i need to start a rumor that it was all staged

00:59:57.460 you can't that's the only way to get attention nowadays so do it please that's a perfect photo

01:00:05.620 i love it um all right so you're on gutfeld what night are you on friday mayday international

01:00:12.380 workers day um you know the day when we all dance around the pool i picked springs you know

01:00:19.200 capital day for my return to gutfeld i've been writing a book i've had all kinds of

01:00:24.600 difficulties uh that aren't worth going into and so i haven't been on the show for a while

01:00:30.540 and i'll come roaring back on friday well tell greg that we're going to be looking for him on

01:00:36.820 the scott adams school um have a great appearance we'll all be watching and thank you so so much for

01:00:43.560 coming on with us again today like we we just cherish you and value i was ferocious today and

01:00:49.860 i and i apologize i only have an hour here and so i just roared through it oh my gosh don't ever

01:00:55.860 apologize you're amazing we we really appreciate you uh marcella and owen thank you so much and

01:01:01.900 and the three of us thank everybody watching this and for tuning in.

01:01:06.020 We always give a thanks to Scott and Shelly for letting the show go on and a

01:01:12.040 closing sip.

01:01:13.020 We always ask you to be useful as Scott was and a closing sip to Scott.

01:01:18.080 You guys say your goodbyes and we'll all be back tomorrow morning.

01:01:22.080 Okay.

01:01:22.500 Thank you,

01:01:22.980 Walter.

01:01:23.860 Thank you to Scott.

01:01:25.660 Be useful.

01:01:29.420 Go get them,

01:01:30.320 Walter.

01:01:31.200 Oh,

01:01:31.720 Oh, and I'm sorry I interrupted you.

01:01:33.580 I went on a tear, but you know, you have the greatest.

Real Coffee with Scott Adams - April 29, 2026

The Scott Adams School - 04⧸29⧸26 WALTER KIRN Joins the Home Team

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